EP. 229 Ben Sheets

In this episode we have on Leopard Hound Man, Full Cry Magazine and Tree Talkin' Media owner, Mr. Ben Sheets! With a nice honest down to Earth conversation this is one you don't wanna miss!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:40

I side of things that just with my numbers and whatnot, I could attract enough advertisers to make the podcast alone a job. Now the podcast, the YouTube, the magazine, all rolled in together.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

We can probably make that a job in a couple years.

SPEAKER_03 1:00

Yeah. And say that's that that's where we're at. You know, same thing. I think I think a lot of people don't understand that. And Nate, Nate headed out. He went ahead and hit the record button so we're recording, but you know, we can he can start it at whatever time.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

But like I I do feel like maybe this information that like we're talking about right now, like a lot of these folks might need to hear it.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

You know, it's uh like because like you said, everything thinks you get rich quick, and it's like, no. I mean, even when I started making some money, I've had uh I mean I've had dumped in a ton of money into equipment long before I ever made money. Um not even counting you know the travel that I've done.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

That's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

And some of that's just for fun. I mean, do I have to travel? No. But is it do I think I've gotten some better podcast traveling? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:55

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Like there's there's certain people that I know that I would have never got on if I wouldn't have traveled. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

That's exactly right. I I I know I know of a few of guests that of yours that and I even said that. I was like, if he hadn't traveled, I like if you didn't go meet those people, would they even do it?

SPEAKER_00 2:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

You know.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Well, and some of them like last year at Automoaks.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

The guy that I did podcasts with that's 92 years old. Still squirrel hunting every day, right? And I would have never met him had I not been at Automoaks last year. So and and that's kind of a you meet some people randomly.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

And so no, we we we ran into the same thing, Mr. Moore's crew down in at the Florida line, down there in Fargo, Georgia. Uh, we were going to interview um another gentleman as well, and it was really supposed to have been about the other gentleman Moore. But it wound out wound up, man. Like we got in with those guys and we just tagged along. Like we we just took some pictures. Uh, we didn't hunt, we didn't go to hunt or anything like that. We literally stayed behind and kind of videoed some of them with what they were doing. But um, but we got to meet those guys and have formed a uh a really good friendship with them. And we will go back and and hunt with them this season. Uh and it probably and nobody will probably see any pictures or nothing. You know, that'll be just my little deal there.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

But sometimes I I guess that's the hard thing that I uh I have a hard time now if I go somewhere turning off the the tree talking media side of things, like putting the camera down, taking my own dog, just the fun part. I have a hard time doing that because it's like I feel like I've if I'm gonna go somewhere, I've got to justify going there. You know, even like last year, me and a buddy of mine went out to Leopard Days, you know. We've got I've got leopard hounds. So me and him, we we rode out to Leopard Days. And you know, I followed her on along on multiple different casts with a camera. Now, granted, like I wanted to see these dogs go. So it's not like I wouldn't have been there. But it's like I I feel like I've gotta have a camera in my hand, you know, gotta make make it work, you know, in to some degree.

SPEAKER_03 4:30

Yeah, I I I think that becomes a part of you when uh when you start doing this now, because I used to think I I I used to really watch a lot of like the old war movies, uh, you know, World War I, II, uh Vietnam, all those things. And I would see all these guys out there, and all they were, you know, they were photographers, the media.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:55

And I was like, man, some of those guys is like, they're putting themselves in the the most immense danger that there is. And I'm like, you know, I'm like, why do they do that? Then I read then I got to looking in it into the freelance side of things, and I was like, oh, these guys aren't even getting paid yet. They don't even know if they're gonna get paid. No, and it's the simple fact that they love doing it. And I used to get so mad when somebody had a phone or a camera in their hand, and now I am that guy. Yeah, I'm taking videos constantly. It's so easy to do now.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Oh, it for sure it is.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

And there's a lot of them that I don't post or show, but I feel like that becomes part of us uh and doing what we're doing now, you know, like we're we're we're in the media.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

Absolutely. You know, last or week and a half ago, almost two weeks ago, I guess, um took my kids to UKC Youth Nationals. And it's funny, like they just assume that I'm gonna have a camera in my hand. Like they assume we're gonna do stuff. They're like, where's your camera at? And I'm like, I didn't bring it out yet. Like, I'll take some pictures later. I'm not that worried about it, but it's just kind of funny, like they're so used to to it as well.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

Oh yeah, that's we we get uh confronted a lot of times. You know, people uh you know, when we first started, I would do the the beer time episodes, you know, where um me and the guys, you know, we'd have an adult beverage and we'd just shoot the breeze and all that stuff. And um that kind of became a a part of it, and it was like we'd do this, this, and this. And then when you get there and they're like, Y'all didn't bring your stuff, and like well, when we were doing it and we tried to be serious about it and set it up, it was hard to get anybody to do it. And now, like you said, but it's also because we were new at it. Now they expect it. Yep. And and sh and you know, fair enough, it's because that's what we do a lot of times now, you know. But like you said, it's hard to travel and not get uh a little bit of footage or content of some kind.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

Yep, that's uh kind of been my MO for the last couple years. And you know, even I was telling a a buddy of mine, he's like, Man, I'd be taking my dogs. I'm like, if I take my dogs, I can't focus on you know capturing it. Like if once I once my own dog is on the ground, and I mean it's different if I'm at home hunting. Like I can kind of do both at home. But like if I'm traveling somewhere, I drop my own dog, I'm not paying attention to a camera. I'm paying attention to what my dog's doing. I'm gonna have a garment in my hand, not a not a camera. So I'm like, if I'm gonna go somewhere, uh just leave my dogs at home and go focus on what other people are doing. You know, what I'm the people I'm visiting and hunting with, and you know. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 7:56

No, I I fully get it. Like I said, we went down there and visited Mr. Morris and him, and we didn't take dogs, we didn't take anything. And it's it's one of the few times because I'm usually if we travel to go visit someone, it's usually because we're gonna go hunt.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:14

And and I'll I and Nate used to do all the all the video and get all the footage, and he still does, but there's also times where it's like, I feel like it takes away from the enjoyment of it because you know, we're we're running around with a camera and a lot of times it can get in the way, or you're worried about ruining a $10,000 camera and lenses. Um and like, I don't know, good old boys like us, usually we just, hey, if it's if it's in a bad jam with a mean boar hog, we just throw it to the side and we just do our what we gotta do. Uh but at the same time, I feel like it does take away a little bit. So going without the dog and taking the camera seems like it does better that way, or leaving the camera and taking the dog.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

Yep, 100%. That's catch 22, and that's I think that's the big thing. Like you said, people don't realize. They just think that you're like, I don't know, that it's easy and that you're you get to go all over and hunt all over, and I'm like, I've hunted a lot of places. I've hunted with a lot of cool people, hunted with a lot of cool dogs, different game species, but it's like at the same point, it comes at the sacrifice of my own dogs. Yes. And my own hunting.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

With without a doubt. Um not just that. I mean, we especially when we first started doing this stuff, just like you, it comes at the sacrifice of your time and your and your money. Oh, yeah. Because when the the first few years, I mean, if if you're lucky enough to get you a couple of sponsors that can at least help you pay for your fees and all that stuff just to have the podcast, you know, you're doing all right. But and if much less, you know, get to where you have some money. Uh, and I don't mean like a hundred thousand dollars, I mean like a hundred dollars. You know, it's like, wow, this that's a whole tank of gas, bro. We're doing good. Um Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Pretty much what happened what happened with me is I'd make a little bit of money and then I would buy something that I needed. Yes. Or it would be like, okay, well, I'm gonna go on this trip where I'm gonna record multiple podcasts, you know, get to take photos of these different dogs and stuff. So it's like, all right, this is gonna pay for that trip. Like, and we're not talking, like you said, we're not talking hundred thousand dollars, we're talking like a couple hundred dollars, maybe a thousand dollars. Yeah. Especially in the early days. Like it wasn't a whole lot.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

I talked we talked to uh Adrian with the chasing boardels, and that's what he was talking about um getting monetized on uh I don't Spotify or one of them. I don't, I don't remember. Which whichever one he's uploading to. And he's like he's getting monetized through them. And like we didn't even know anything about it. You know, it's like, what? We didn't even know. But even at that rate, he was like, I think it's like four, maybe three or four hundred dollars a month. And and oh, it sounds great. Well, oh, you just got four hundred dollars for free. No, that's not for free. It's for the to do one one show. You got a couple hours of us talking. First off, you got to line up your guest, you got to do all that. And I'm lucky because I have Nate, you know. Nate Nate does all the behind-the-scenes stuff, and and then the editing, the uploading, all that. So you I mean, for a month, you know, that's what I'm saying. So if it's 400 bucks a month, that's a hundred dollars a week. You put out just say one episode, that's a hundred bucks a week. Well, it costs you to to upload and to be on these platforms, and then you've got several hours tied up in it. So you probably made about eight bucks, ten bucks an hour. If if everything we're gonna do, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:05

And if I mean, if you think that's a lot, then hey, that's great. You know, but and that that's if you're doing it.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

Even on the high end, like you said, like even if you're doing a pretty good job, and say it's 20 bucks an hour.

SPEAKER_02 12:20

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 12:21

You know, which isn't bad money.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

No, no.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

But this is once again, this is not a full this is not the full-time job. No. So that's on top of going to work, that's on top of you know, you're doing this at night and weekends when when you have time. So I'm not saying it's always necessarily like a loss, but you're you're taking away from doing something else.

SPEAKER_03 12:41

Well, what if when okay, like last night we had one lined up and uh about an hour before go time, hey man, not gonna be able to do it. Hey, not a not a big deal. Not a big deal. You know, it's not the end of the world, but I just told the these guys that called, they're like, man, we got a good spot to go. There's a big boar hog on camera, blah, blah, blah. Man, I can't go. I gotta record. Yep. You know what I'm saying? So I missed that one last night. So my dogs got neglected. My my wife had luckily she she was at the house, she watches one of my granddaughters, and she's usually gone for you know most of the week. And then I'm at work, don't get to see her. And then when somebody cancels like that, it's like, bro, I just it just it throws a wrench in it. Uh and then when we're like I said, when we're doing this after we've worked all day, you've got, you know, usually around three hours of this stuff tied up and just doing it, sitting down and having a conversation, at least.

SPEAKER_00 13:49

At least. And you're you have a lot of episodes that are two, three hours long.

SPEAKER_03 13:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

So not to mention uh 20 minutes that you talk beforehand. Usually talk for a few minutes afterwards.

SPEAKER_03 14:01

Bro, I don't really talk that much. Who are you lying to? I listen to your podcast. Dear Lord, please forgive me. I'm so sorry. No, man, I listen to your podcast. Yeah, it's uh and I I don't know if you've noticed or not, but I have I've really toned down the language as much as I can. I'm I'm starting to get better with it. In the first one, it was a little it was a little rough. It still is in some of them. But um literally trying to get it to where it's uh it's a little more friendly for for younger. I didn't realize how many young people we were listening to that were listening to.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

I like that. Yeah. Oh yeah, pop in the truck in the morning, and it's it's what I was listening to the day before, so it automatically connects. Yeah, I'm like, nope, let's turn that off because I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 14:52

Yeah, you don't know what's coming. Don't know what's coming. And I think we need to, I might need to start doing like a disclaimer, like, you know, on some of them, and and look, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna ask a grown, I'm gonna ask a grown man to be like, hey, don't don't say any bad words, you know. Uh he knows what he needs to say. He's a grown-up. But there's certain people that we interview just like like you do, you know, you know what you can say and you kind of feel you or you kind of feel what you can say and not. And so if there's somebody who's not, if they don't get real loud and and vo vulgar, you know, honestly, that's what it is. You just being an old rough rough and tough guy and just running your lips. Uh I'm thinking about doing like there's like something I can like put a instead of viewer discretion, you know, and be like, this is PG 13 or or whatever. You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

It's just rate them in the beginning.

SPEAKER_03 15:52

Yeah. So, you know, you're talking about the leopard hounds uh are going to the leopard days and stuff. Those leopard hounds have always intrigued me. Uh guy named Zane Burton, he's got a nice little leopard dog, and he brought him here, and that son of a gun hunt, I mean hunts. Uh I don't know him.

SPEAKER_00 16:14

He's uh I know a lot of leopard people, but I don't know him.

SPEAKER_03 16:36

He's in in Tennessee. He he does MMA, he was doing MMA full-time for a while, and uh had a baby and started him a little welding business and all that stuff. Super good guy, kind of young guy. Uh I talk to him all the time, man. He's a good dude. Uh like I said, he's got a got a really good dog, and I I told him about you, and uh, because he was he he loves the dog, you know.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

But you know, that's I just feel like it's one of those breeds of dogs that's it's a little more common than what a lot of people would think, but it's still not that common.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

In the hog dog world, I feel a lot of people just think they're cataholes.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

Mm-hmm. Without a doubt.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

I get that a lot. Especially like people coming from the hog dog world that are like, oh, it's just a catahoola, or or it's a catahoola hound cross, and it's like no. I'm not saying fifty years ago when they were founded that there wasn't some Catahoola hound crosses that went into them. But today that's not what they are. There's all kinds of stuff that's been added in there and you know, mixed up and so that's not what they are now. Um but yeah, some a lot of people think that's that's what they are. Actually, Jen Cubage went to Grand American, thought she was buying a Catahula, and bought a leopard hound. That was the first dog she bought.

SPEAKER_03 17:59

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

I I talked to Gina, I actually talked to her today, so that uh moonshine dog she had. I was laughing when she told me that.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

So if you had to go, if you had to go find some, if you had to start over and be like, okay, I'm on a hog hunt these, maybe do a little cow work or or whatever, what is there a certain line that that would just jump in?

SPEAKER_00 18:24

If I was looking for a hog dog or a cow dog, I would get a catahoola, not a not a leopard.

SPEAKER_03 18:29

Okay. So they're more tree-minded, you'd say?

SPEAKER_00 18:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

Gotcha. I got you.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

That's kind of the I would say, and I've talked to Raymond Plummer a lot about this. Especially after you guys had him on, and uh me and him have had some really good conversations and I would say in the 1950s there was a lot of leopard-colored cur dogs all throughout the South. And I'm not even saying they were all necessarily related. You know, I'm sure a lot of them were you know, you had little pockets of dogs just the way the country was, you know. And were vaguely related, you know, not super tight, not close. And over time it kind of got formed into breeds and they also went two separate ways. Your cataholas went more dog dog, cow dog, and your leopard hounds cur they were leopard curs, now they're leopard hounds, got bred to be tree dogs. And I would say, like I said, in the fifties and before, there was a lot of leopard-colored cur dogs that were just leopard-colored cur dogs. You know. I don't think in 1920 there was a Catahuola and there was a leopard pair. I think they were one and the same at that point.

SPEAKER_03 19:53

Yeah, I've had that conversation with Raymond as well.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

Like even the the plots, like you talk there was a lot of Brindle Bear Dogs. Now, were they all straight plots? Probably not. Probably there was a plot at some point in there, but you know, you got they got bred to whatever was local and eventually got brought back in just because we created breeds and registries and whatnot. And you know, all your hound breeds. If it came out looking like a walker, you called it a walker. If it looked like a blue tick, you called a blue tick. That's that's right. It didn't matter that their grandmother was a border collie. Like you know, I had uh So that's just the the way dogs were bred back then, it's a lot of time you called it what it looked like.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Yes, that's what I'm gonna say. Whatever it whatever it jumped out in front of you as, you know, what whatever the eye pill was. Um yeah. Charles Kepp had a litter of dogs five years ago. They were half plot, half red bone. I got one of each. One looked like a full-blooded red bone, one looked like a full-blooded plot.

SPEAKER_01 21:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:08

And and when I'm talking about bro, you could I'm you couldn't hardly you couldn't tell that which was weak. You know, you couldn't tell that they were not full-blooded. Well, I did a cross just be two years ago. Blackmouth cur crossed with a Catahula. And those almost all of those come out Brindle. I had two of them that I kept here, which one of them was that little cane dog, and he he wound up getting uh cut down on a hog a few weeks ago. But and and I told some guys, I said, I said, man, these are passed for plots. And they said, Ain't no way. They said, like, we can tell the difference. So I carried them to the carried them to the plot bay at Hickory Crossing last year as a puppies. And Gary Bowen, he said, I didn't know you had plots. I said, They're not plots.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:07

He said, Sure they are. I was like, No, no, they're not. They're full-blooded curd offers. Yeah. He said, Well, you had a plot get in there then. I said, There's not a plot around me, period. He said, Are you serious? I said, Yeah, man. I said, I'm telling you. And then there they had one sister. She looks like a blackmouth cur. I mean it like you said, it's what's in front of you. I feel the same way. That's what they were calling those dogs. Just like with bulldogs. People are like, oh, that's a that's a pit bull. It might be half pit bull. You don't know. You know. But I I get where you're going like you were talking about with the leopard hound or with the leopard colored dogs, and then they just kind of you know, kind of bred for specifics and then that's what how they came about, huh?

SPEAKER_00 23:00

I I think from like the fifties and sixties, you know, post-wor two is when we really started registering dogs.

SPEAKER_02 23:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

So when we first that's when we really started doing a lot of the nice hunts, and that's when we really started kind of dialing things into more of a purebred status.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 23:17

And and that goes for all the hounds and the cur breeds, you know.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

The OMCBA was started in the late 50s. The what became the American Leopard Cur Breeders Association started in the early 60s. Um if I'm not mistaken, the Catahula Registry was started right around that time. So it's like that time frame is when a lot of these breed registries or breed clubs or associations kind of got started. It's when like UKC kind of started holding night hunt well, ACHA at first and then UKC and you know, all these associations that registries all kind of popped up. And that's when we started breeding dogs the way we more like we are today, as far as the the purebred side dog side of things. And I think that's where we we breed started splitting and becoming more refined and you know, heck, like I said, you could used to be able to Blue Text English and Walker's were all one breed for a really long time.

SPEAKER_03 24:24

So yeah, without a doubt. They uh and there's there's still some that I've seen, especially on the you know the English side of things. Oh yeah. Uh we had an English dog here, everybody's like, that's a nice looking walker. And I'm like, well, he's yeah, close enough.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

I've seen English that looks like walkers, I've seen English look like blue ticks, I've seen English look like Dalmatians for crying out loud.

SPEAKER_03 24:49

I think, yes, there's one uh down there where I was talking about going with Mr. Morse crew and them, and I don't remember which one of those guys owned it, but this time it's gonna look almost like a like a pointer. It had just it was a really, really white dog, had just a little bit of ticking here and there. Yeah. Uh it was just, but you could look at it, man. It looked like a like a it's built like a big hound. I mean, it's well, that's what it was, you know. But the look, the you know, the color, and if you didn't know what it was, you'd be like, uh well, that's a mixed breed of some kind.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:25

Because one of the guys asked that was down there, they were like, What's that dog crossed with? And I and I knew, I was like, I don't think it's crossed with nothing, you know, because these guys were all running mostly purebred dogs. And uh they said, No, I said it's just English dogs. It's like, oh I can't remember. I think Harley owned that dog.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

It was a good dog too. I just think it's funny, and then that's kind of like the leopard dogs that they come in every shape and size and color in our uh, you know, standard form is very loose. Basically, you can't have too much white. That's basically the only disqualifying fault. They can we did kind of tone down their they used to have e shaggy hair, like when UKC uh moved them from cur the curr group to the hound group, they did so they couldn't have shaggy hair, but basically even like a a little bit of a a rougher coat, a double coat, all the way, you know, flag tailed, but you don't see it as much as it used to, but that used to be real common in the breed. So well I this you've got all the way to big houndy dogs.

SPEAKER_03 26:35

Yeah, I was thinking to say the the the leopard hounds I've seen, most of them have been they they almost look like a little smaller type hound to me.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

I would say a lot of them are okay. But there's big ones.

SPEAKER_03 26:52

Okay. Well, I I didn't like I haven't seen a lot of them, you know. The the ones that now I've seen a few, so there's some guys that's like, yeah, this is a leopard hound, and I'm looking, I'm like, Well, I hell I don't know if it is or not, really. I can't tell the man no, but it you know sounds good to me.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

But there's a bunch that are black and tan colored too.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

So well, this that's the ones I was talking about. They were black and tan, and I was like, Yeah, I looks fine to me. You know, I don't know. I'm not a judge, I I don't study the breed that much, but I I am really intrigued by it a lot.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Yep, I joke with the black and tan people. I'm like, give me a short-eared monkey face dog, and I I'll like it. They're like, that's a leopard, and I'm like, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

Yeah, there you go. There you go. Well, you know, I g I give the plot guys a hard time, and I I just do it just just to keep stuff stirring. I love plots, absolutely love them. My favorite color is Brindle on a dog, you know what I mean? And to me, there ain't nothing better than a big old, just a good blanket back, you know, real dark, almost black colored Brendel big plot. I love them. You know, I and but I give those guys a hard time. And uh me and a couple buddies, oh, Cody Godwin. I of course I'm always going on. He gives me a hard time about my walker dog, my running walker. Well, what he don't know, you'll hear it on here now. But I've got me a really, really nice running walker. That's a big old blanket black. I mean dark Brendel baby now, son. That's my new plot. There you go. That's my new plot out there. But when she turns around and looks at you, you see that old narrow head, you're like, yeah, that ain't no plot.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

Straight running walker, though, or is she crossed up?

SPEAKER_03 28:41

No, straight.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:44

Yeah. Yeah, she well, I say running walker, she's July.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Okay. Even better.

SPEAKER_03 28:51

Yeah, she's Julie.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

The music lies got me interested. I I doubt you listened to it, but you gotta go back and listen to an episode I did with Rex Bowers several months ago. We talked a lot about so Rex was a heavy.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

I listened to some of it. Yeah, I did listen to some of it.

SPEAKER_00 29:07

Okay, yeah. Man, he's just a wealth of information on on leopards, but also delize and and plots. Um and no just been a student of these dogs and those, especially those couple breeds, and just can rattle stuff off. Like it's you know, common knowledge, like stuff that nobody obscure stuff that nobody else knows, he just rattles it off like off the top of his head. I'm like, how do you remember all this? But he is very sharp, and I've had numerous conversations, so it's not just like he's like studying before a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 29:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

Because I've talked to him plenty of other times that we weren't recording podcasts, and he's like, he's like, yeah, and he's just doing the same thing, and then he's like firing pictures at me. He goes, This is this dog, this is this, and I'm like, geez. Sweet. He he's got all kinds of information. But you want to talk about Tulai's or listen to something about Tulai's, listen to that. And he's got me interested.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Yeah, that that's what that's that's when you uh to me, that's when you know you got somebody who's who's good at that breed. Whether it be just being knowledgeable or whether it's from actually owning and running them, uh or or however, like you you talk to uh, I mean you listen to Raymond Plummer, you get it, you you know, you're gonna you're gonna go look up the Catahoula and see what they're about.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

You know, um several guys like uh we listen to we had Madison Parker on, you know.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

That was good. I like that. Yeah, and uh so people are they're gonna go check out Bulldog, you know, game dogs. Uh there's when somebody can just when it comes out fluently and you can tell that they're not they're not taking time and looking stuff up or studying, yeah. That's when you know you got somebody there that's formidable on it.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

So absolutely.

unknown 31:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

And you know, about Madison. I've never owned a bulldog pitbull, any any of it, right?

SPEAKER_02 31:12

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

Never had a desire to own one. Um, because I know what they really are or what they really should be. And and what irritates me today is everyone thinks that they treat bulldogs and pitbulls like they're a lab. And it's like, no, they're not. They're not supposed to be. They're not supposed to be a hundred pounds either.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 31:33

And like, I've always appreciated what they people that know what they are and respect what they are. Like they were a fighter. That's what they were. Yes. And you gotta know that. Well that you gotta treat it like that.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

Quit trying to tell me that that that it was uh the nanny dog and babysitting. I'm not saying that some of them can't be good with kids.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

Dude, who's gonna leave their kid with any dog?

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Like that's just dumb.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

Yeah, I mean, I've had one of the best ones that I think any man could ever own. And that might sound partial to it, and that's fine. But I'm talking about just overall, I and I've been around a lot of dogs. And I've had guys that come over that's been around a lot of dogs, and they'll tell you the same thing. She was one of those that you're just like, wow. I could I honestly, I probably could have let her watch my kids and do whatever and just left. But what kind of parent would do that?

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Yeah. I've got a miniature poodle that has half her teeth falling out of her head, and I'm still not leaving her around.

SPEAKER_03 32:39

No, not babies, no, not little little bitty kids. I mean, now I have seen the American Pit Bull Terrier, not big pet bulls and and not crossbreeds or none of that, but I mean actual game dogs that came out of game lines that their grandparents were championing in the box. I've seen those dogs really, really take up with a baby. Say you got a kid that's just starting to get up walking, is getting into everything, and you go outside and that baby stays on the porch and you step down on the steps. I've had two or three different dogs over my life that would get in between the baby and the steps and wouldn't let it go. Just a natural instinct. You know what I mean? And and people are like, oh, that's because it is. I also have never seen those dogs let their puppies just fall off the porch. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it's it's a maternal instinct most animals are gonna have, I feel, uh, of some sort. Now it might not be that extreme, but I'm still not going to leave my child there with any dog unattended. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:53

Think whatever you want. And I and I love the breed. I love the American Pitbull Terrier. Anybody that knows me, they know that.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

But and the biggest I don't know, I don't want to say problem, but the reason that they've gotten such a bad rap is once they do, you know, they're not they're not my poodle that's got half her teeth falling out. But she makes a bite and it's it's kind of like, oh, okay, like it's not that bad. Once they do, they they tend to do a lot of damage. It it is. And that's that's why, like, that's why certain breeds have become notorious, is because breeds that do a lot of damage. So that's why you just kind of know what you have and treat it with respect.

SPEAKER_03 34:36

You know, we can and boy, I'm pro I know we're gonna catch something for this right when I'm fixing to say here, but I don't really care. You have the the opposition, let's say. They demonize these dogs. Now, I don't feel like that's the only problem that we have or or why they're pulled to the front line and and flagged. You also have the pet owners who humanize these dogs.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

They they will tell you that their their pit bull will it will never bite anybody. He's got teeth, he will bite you.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:15

He might not attack you every time you come in the house, and he might not ever do it his entire life, but there is always a chance that something could go wrong. Something could happen. And the dog could bite. So so don't say that they won't bite. So I feel like some of these owners that are putting these dogs up on a pedestal to make them sound so so good. And true enough, most of them are really that good. They're great. But you also have to have the realm of reality. Yeah, true life, you know. Um what about that's like guys who own lions and tigers? They go in there with them, but are they gonna let their their neighbor just walk in the pen? No.

SPEAKER_01 36:01

No.

SPEAKER_03 36:02

I mean, if they do, everybody's crazy anyway. So but but no, it yeah, it's uh I I I thought that was a pretty good one with Madison. We've got a lot of good feedback on that.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Yeah. A lot of good feedback. Like I said, I've never been never really delved into that that world, and uh, I just found it very informative. Very uh something I didn't really know much about.

SPEAKER_03 36:29

So we're we're gonna do another one. He and I have talked quite a bit. Uh I say quite a bit, we've talked a few more times. But we're we're gonna do another, we're gonna give it a little while, and I think we're uh what I what I really want to try to pull out is and and and we were hesitant on doing any of this because of the I get it.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:54

And I finally I told Nate, I was like, look, people are gonna make assumptions, they're gonna think whatever they want to think. This is history and it's what happened. It's no different than uh, you know, like we were talking about with the leopard hounds and stuff. Uh it's no different than them being bred and used for a certain thing than what the pit bull was bred and used for a certain thing because back then it was all legal, but it's history. And so I it is very intriguing to some people. Uh but at the same time, like I said, with this breed still alive and flourishing today, I feel like it needs to be out there that you know these these dogs are they're they're not just uh big cream puffs, you know. They're not you know I don't know Madison.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

No, and I also used to follow uh Madison's uh survival school.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

And I've actually messaged him and asked him about because like I've I've watched videos of him shooting squirrels and all kinds of other animals with slingshots out of trees, which I thought was awesome. And he always had them pit bulls running around. So I was like, especially when I started getting into curdogs, I'm like, do they tree? Like, what do you what are these pit bulls doing? Like, what do you why do you have them? And he goes, Oh, they just hunt everything, catch everything. He goes, for small game hunting, like from a survival standpoint, he goes, I think they're just amazing. And I didn't realize his whole history with the breed by any means, especially back then when he was in the survival school, he wasn't really advertising that you know, especially from that outlet of it. Yeah he's advertising the survival school, the you know, traditional bow making and you know fire starting with you know all kinds of natural methods and whatever.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

Oh yeah, he's sharp now.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

He is, and I so I always thought it was super interesting and so um yeah, because I was on a like a forum that he was on years ago. You know, back when I was in my teens and his this probably would have been like in the heyday of his school, so I was always really interested in what he had going on down there. I thought it was pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 39:13

Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take a little trip and ride down there and check out some pups. Um that the conversation that we had when when I was talking about going and getting a dog bread over at Mr. going with my uncle to Kimsey Woods' place to get a dog bread that was out of the Snooty dog. He uh he started talking about it and he was he's reviving that line. I'm like, and that's the only line of dogs that we I say it it's not really the only line, but we based a lot out of the the boomerang, Tudor's Daibo, Wood Studi, Stompinado, a few different dogs like that. And uh now he's got he's probably got the best that there is and the strongest and purest that there is in today's world. So I I'm like, I bro, I ain't had my own. I couldn't tell you how long I've got dogs. I got a bunch of them, you know, here at the house. But I mean, like my per a personal little sidekick.

SPEAKER_01 40:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:15

Um my wife's got one in the house, she got two in the house, but the our old our old bulldog, he's uh he's getting old, man. It's not gonna be long. So I've I've been thinking about it. I'm like, yeah, I think I'll get one.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 40:31

We'll see how it works. It's uh it's definitely uh it's a big decision. Like we've got a lot, we've got a lot of grandbabies. And uh, you know, I that that's one thing about, you know, everybody says, Oh, get a puppy and raise it with your babies or with your kids. I don't I don't know about all that uh I'm sure it's fine, and I've done it before, but puppies like to jump and chew and bite and nip and all that.

SPEAKER_00 41:01

So doesn't matter what kind of pup, yep.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

Yeah, any pup, man. You know how it goes. So it's crazy, man.

SPEAKER_00 41:07

Yeah, I got one of them. Uh I know how that goes.

SPEAKER_03 41:11

Well, what's uh what you been up to uh seeing this full cry deal going? What you got going on with that?

SPEAKER_00 41:18

Oh yeah. Um so long story. I started writing for Full Cry probably five four years ago, I guess. Something like that. And honestly, it was a shameless plug for my podcast. That's all it really was. And I sent one in, I wasn't sure if they would even put it in there. They did heck I had a couple photos on the cover of the magazine just because like you know, I was sending pretty decent high quality photos in, so they used a couple of them on the cover, which just tickled me, that's for sure, because I wasn't really intending for that. I just like said was shamelessly advertising my podcast, was talking about the different guests I had on and a little bit about each one of them and what we talked about, and you know, or if I went somewhere, did something, honey with somebody, and so that's where my journey with Full Cry, more than a subscriber, started. And then so I'd wrote for them for I don't know, maybe a year, maybe a year, maybe two. And one of the other writers called me up one day and was like, Did you see that Full Cry's going out of business? I said, Nope. So sure enough, one and another writer had on Facebook that they were going out. So I called Jason Doobie thinking that the time he's working at W, I thought maybe Buddy would be interested. And Buddy was not interested, but then Jason and his wife ended up buying it. And so actually I knew all about them buying the magazine before it became public knowledge. And then and I told him like as soon as he told me that he was doing it, I was like, I'm here to help you whatever you need. So right from the get-go as I'm getting it, I was on board. I loved the changes that they made. We talked a lot about it. Because even before he got it, me and him had talked about you know magazines in general, and just there wasn't anything that I felt like if you read if you go out and you look at the bird dog magazines and how the good the quality was, and then you came back to the coon hound side of things or hound side of things, and it was like you know, full cry, cooner, and bloodlines at the time. None of them were full color magazines. Bloodlines had some color ads and stuff, but a lot of it wasn't color. Even then, not knocking what bloodlines was, but had a lot of results, had a lot of information in there that wasn't you know a a good read. It wasn't something you sat down and just read. So I was like, we need a good magazine. So once Jason and his wife Danny took it over, that's what I think they really tried to do, and uh I really liked what they did. Unfortunately, they took a job that then turned around and pulled them away from it. And things kind of got left in limbo, and luckily, because I would you know had been right there and helping throughout all of it, I'm like, as soon as they they it took a job off grid and that's what pulled them away, and as soon as they it's running a little a river lodge. So once their season was over and they came home, I'm like, all right, so how do we make sure that doesn't happen next year? You know, how can I help? That was what I was trying to do, help. I wasn't wasn't trying to trying to become a magazine owner. Like, what what do you need to do? What do we need to do so I can I mean I'm I'm game to help you. How do I do that? And their decision was we're going back, so there's no real point in us firing back up. Like it doesn't make We can't do it when we're down there. So they're like, Do you want to buy it? Like, um, not really. Like, so we tr we've we talked oh lordy for about a month. Them and you know, I talked to them multiple times. Me and my wife talked about it a lot. Um and honestly the biggest hesitance that me and my wife had is my wife was pregnant at the time. And we're like, we're about to have the baby, like this is not great timing to take on a business endeavor that's gonna pull me away. And so it took a lot of time um for us to think about it and discuss it and pray about it, but eventually we d we talked about it and you know I told her I'm like, I will make sure this does not come before our family. Uh there I don't care what it as much as I want this magazine to survive, it's not worth my family. I will sell it before I yeah, I I put it before my family. So that was what we discussed, and I'm like, that's you know, I'll I'll you know, if it means I gotta cancel the podcast, we'll let the podcast go. You know, we'll figure it out. I this will not come before the family. Like obviously there's times where I you know I'm doing working in on stuff and I'm not spending time with family, but as far as pulling me away, so um that was the big hesitance, but we we worked it out and so uh made the decision to buy a magazine, and that was right before Christmas. So that transition was hard, um, basically, other than saying, Oh yeah, we made an announcement right before Christmas, and then it was it was more or less after the first of the year that we really started moving stuff over. Just they have young kids, we have young kids, hectic time of year for everyone. So after the first of the year, we really started pushing and moving things over. Um, I had a absolutely a ton of things to learn. And so by April we uh we had an issue out. So now we've as the owner of my fourth issue will be out next month. Um I'm putting it together now.

SPEAKER_03 47:34

So that's so cool. Dude, I've got me I've got a long story, but no, no, that's what we want to know. That's what we want to know, man. We we want to know these things. I've got to subscribe. I'm not even dude, I've got to. Like, and I you know, I was a subscriber to Tuskers and and Ed had let it go. Uh just so much stuff going on, and it's I mean, you know, social media is one of those things where you know everybody can just post whatever and blah blah blah but there's still a lot of people that that want that physical issue, you know.

SPEAKER_00 48:12

100% and uh no, and actually uh, you know, I'm I'm picking this up literally right at the same time that Coon Han Bloodline got discontinued, the same time that Tuskers got discontinued, at the same time that Southern, right around the same time frame that Southern hound hunting stopped being produced. So I'm really getting into this as every other magazine is going out. So I'm like, it's a catch-22. It opens this playing field, but I don't really have a whole lot of competition, but at the same point, if all these other magazines can't make it work, maybe there's a reason. So what do I gotta do to be different and stay relevant and make it work? So that's it.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

I don't feel like none of those were I don't feel like none of those were advertised as much as they should have been anymore. Uh you know, I mean not I'm I'm sure it's not all of it, it's not all of it, but you know what I'm saying? It's like they I don't feel like a lot of them did they didn't use social media to their advantages.

SPEAKER_01 49:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:22

You know, but also I'm not a magazine owner, I'm sure you get to a certain point where you know it's it's going downhill and you're just like, hey, let it ride, you know. Uh I know I I tossed and turned. I was like, I thought about it really hard about getting with Ed, and I was like, man, I I got so much on my plate right now. And literally, I had just started writing for for Tuskers. I think I'd wrote two or three articles before he discontinued or before he cut it off, and I was like, dang, man, I was, you know, just getting into it. And yeah, I'm like, well, I mean, that's the way it goes.

SPEAKER_00 49:58

I actually called Ed because I wanted to talk to him about it because I'm like um pick his brain because I'm like, you know, I hear I'm getting into it and you're getting out. So you got any words of wisdom? Uh so we talked about it and give me some advice.

SPEAKER_03 50:15

Yeah, it's it's a good guy. He's very smart.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

No. And that was part part of it with you know what he talked to same kind of thing. He's got a lot of irons in the fire, so it's like Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 50:27

See, he's got all kinds of stuff going on. Oh, well, now I mean from what I know anyway, I'm sure he's probably got way more than that. You know. But yeah, there was uh it was a good run. Uh but like I said, I've been following that magazine when it was back when it was Bade Solid, then it went to Extreme Hog Hunter, then to Tuskers. Uh Okay.

SPEAKER_00 50:53

Yeah, it just I remember Bade Solid, I don't didn't know there was anything in between.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

Yeah, when Buck bought it from uh from Terry and them, I guess it was Terry. Uh remember who I had. Anyway, uh guy named I think it was Buck Bad Meev. He uh he wound up getting it. He came to uh this is before uh the whole podcast deal and all this years and years and years ago. I was famous. And then I didn't want to be. You know, it was that was back when uh it was it was the Alabama Houndsman and we got we did all these trade days and uh a bunch of stuff. Man, I had the the pursuit channel, the outdoor channel. Uh I'd always have some celebrities come out, uh do you know, stuff like that. Oh yeah, uh I did that for for a few years. That was in like probably I'll say a few years, it was quite a few years from like 2000, around 08 to 2010 or 12, somewhere in there. But that that's how I was knew those guys. Uh and then Randy Brown and Randy and Brian and them, they hog hunted down there at Enon Plantation. And they they were always they always had big, always caught big hogs and had some really good dogs. And like I said, that's I just kind of followed it through there. And and so when Ed, like I said, he you know, he's gonna have to cut it down. Man, I was just like, dang. I mean, I've been, you know, that I've been in that magazine quite a few times and just uh, you know, been subscribed to it for I don't know how many years, 20. Yeah. I and I've got, dude, I've got old copies from I'm talking about it's funny because some of the guys that are like in the Bay Pins and and you you read about now, I think there was one picture in there, Garrett Piku, and he was like eight years old. I I bet he don't even know it. I mean I bet he don't I need to find them out. Like Ed Ed gave me a bunch of old uh old copies of of Tuskers too from when they first started. But yeah, I've always I thought about it, man. I was like, I just I don't know. I just got so much going on, but uh I did enjoy the the you know sending in and writing an article.

SPEAKER_00 53:23

Yeah. That's how I got started. Yeah, wouldn't have uh wouldn't have guessed I would have been here. What's funny is if you would have told me in high school my life would look what like it does right now as far as my job.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

Um and and also just some of this other and all this uh stuff I've picked up. The dogs wouldn't wouldn't surprise me, you know. Other than than that, you know, everything else I I do, I've been like, are you dumb? Like, I'm not doing any of any of those things. You're gonna own a magazine, you're gonna be like have a YouTube channel and be on YouTube, you know. I'm like, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 54:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:05

It's just funny.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

The way life takes you. Well, it's I don't know. Like I said, it's one of those things where you don't really know where you're gonna go. You just go and you know, you just make the best out of everything that you can. But I also, you know, it's it's one of those the the world has changed so much for guys uh you know my age, especially an older. It's it's hard for a lot of them to adjust to it. And so they're you know, they're just grumpy and grumpy all the time, which I I am most of the time anyway. But and and like Ed, Ed always made the comments about the you know, the being on social media and the celebrity hog hunters and all this stuff. And I told him that one day. I was like, Well, Ed, I think you're the original. He's like, What? I was like, really? Uh you had the first podcast about the hog dogs, and um I said, and then you, you know, I said, You you're an author, you got a magazine, uh, a brand. I said, You're like, You're you're the original, man. He was like, dang. He just he was like, I don't know about all that.

SPEAKER_00 55:18

Exactly. Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. No, and I mean I I'm right there. Like, I didn't set out to be somebody in this by any means. Like I got into it because I liked hearing good stories and hearing from people. And you know, there were some people that I knew that there was the few people that I really wanted to hear podcasts with that I that I knew would never get on a podcast.

SPEAKER_02 55:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 55:42

If it was some you know, because just you would have never known about them, right?

SPEAKER_02 55:47

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

Or or somebody else wouldn't have, and I'm like, that's how it kind of started. Wasn't like I was like, oh yeah, I'm gonna go out there and be some big podcaster. No, it's like I really want to hear this guy and this guy and this guy's stories. Like recorded and so I can listen to it. So I guess I went and just did it and it's snowballed. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 56:13

And it's it's the same, kind of the same deal. It wasn't a plan.

unknown 56:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:20

Yeah. It just kind of happened and we just stuck with it.

SPEAKER_01 56:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:24

And I I feel like that's one reason like uh your podcast and our podcast is is kind of lasted this long and been pretty and been steady. Well, actually, you know, they're growing, they're constantly growing. Uh we've seen quite a few pop up and flame out. But oh yeah, I think those are the ones that say, hey, I'm gonna go have a big podcast. Yeah. They don't, I mean, it's it's a labor of love in a way. Well, well, it is not in a way, it is. It's a labor of love.

SPEAKER_00 56:55

There's been a lot of nights that I'm like, I really don't want to go record this podcast. I would much rather get into bed, or I'd much rather go turn my dogs loose.

SPEAKER_03 57:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 57:05

But here I am sitting recording a podcast. So there's been a lot of nights like that.

SPEAKER_03 57:12

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:12

I've and you know, it's easier in the summertime. Like right now, yeah, for me, it's easy to say, oh yeah, I'll sit here in the AC and I'll record a podcast. But November comes around and it's 45 degrees, beautiful crisp night. I'm like, man, it'd be nice to be out in the woods right now.

SPEAKER_03 57:31

Oh, and that's I mean, like, I know, well, in the in the in the hog hunting world, there's a lot of there's a lot of ego, which there's egos in all of it. But oh yeah. There's been so for so long, like I didn't have I never had anybody like I didn't have any haters really that I knew of. And then they started coming. And then I realized I was like, oh, okay. And dude, it's like to pick you apart for nothing. And they're they're like, yeah, we we don't have time to sit and talk about this, this, and this and this. And here's what happens they recite your whole podcast.

SPEAKER_00 58:08

You got time to listen, though.

SPEAKER_03 58:10

We're too busy running dogs. I'm like, well, it takes you the same amount of time to listen as it did for me to talk about it. Actually, it takes me longer. And uh I'm running dogs too, you know. But when when you're laid on the couch watching Wheel of Fortune, drinking beer, eating little Debbie's, I'm doing a podcast, or I'm doing some social media, or I'm doing some content or something like that. And I I realize there's a lot of guys that um they have a lot of negative negative things to say about it. And it's always it and I have figured out it's a lot, most of us just because they didn't do it, or they had the idea to do it and they were too scared. Yeah. If you want to do it, man, just do something. Like when when uh Alan started his up, man. I I tr we tried to support him. Oh, you know, it's like, hey, I'm I'm here with you, buddy. Let's knock it out. You know, we'll help any way we can. Just like you did, you did with us. You supported us from the jump, you know. And uh I I feel like that's that's what's missing in a lot of it. It's preached about, but it's not acted upon.

SPEAKER_00 59:24

No, and you know, you you just said that people are scared to do this. I started listening to podcasts before there was any hound cur podcast out there. Yeah. And basically I was finding, you know, these other hunting podcasts that would occasionally have like a houndsman on. You know, whether they were a bird dog one or just like a big game one and they just had some big game hunter or something. And so I would listen to those ones, but trying to find them was a pain in the butt. And I was like, man, I wish there was a hound, you know, somebody out there that would do this and just talk to Houndsman and and treat all guys or you know, of anything. And when Houndsman XP came on the board, I was super thankful. I listened to everyone of Chris and and Steve in the beginning. And I've thoroughly enjoyed their podcast for years. That's and it were in Steve's different podcasts and Houndsman XP. Um but at some point, like I said, there was just some guys that I want uh I thought needed to be on that I just knew would never be on someone else's, and so that's kind of how I got it. It wasn't like a I was never like, oh yeah, I think I can do a great job at this. I think I can do better than you know Spi Fielder, who's got a bajillion years of hound knowledge and knows literally everybody. No, that's not what I thought at all. There was just a handful of guys that I wanted to hear from. Yeah, most of them were Kurtog guys, like and that was the big thing with Hounds and XP and it and then Nightlife Nation and all those they were focusing on hounds, which is fine. But I was just like, I want to hear from some Kerdog guys. So that's where uh I kind of got my start with the podcast thing and you know, just like you said, snowballed, and now I've talked to big game hunters, coon hunters, squirrel hunters, hog hunters, a little bit of everybody.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:31

Yeah, yeah, that's I I think that's one thing. Like when we first started, we wanted to be we wanted to be informational. Yeah. That that's that was the whole point. And somewhere down the line it got to where I came out of my shell and yeah, which I mean, I'm not shy at all, but it's it's like I don't know, I learned how to uh just let it flow. And I became very good at just having a conversation.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:01

Uh yeah. What's funny in the early days, uh my first ever like I used to like write questions for and kind of do outlines and try to be professional about it. And what I found was you know, I'd ask a question, somebody would answer that question, and then I would turn around and ask the next question. So I'd have 20 questions listed on a page, and in 20 minutes we'd be done. Yeah. And so qu I luckily there was a couple guys that I just knew, and so we we just recorded and just sat there and talked. Because I didn't need a list of questions because I knew them. And I kind of basically had to learn like how to just wing it, because if I sit here with a list of questions, it's gonna be garbage. So we just uh have a conversation about dogs. That's all it is. So I tell everyone.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:55

Because I've had a lot of people really, oh, I can't do that. It's public speaking. I'm like, no, it's not, it's me and you on the phone. Like there's nobody else listening, there's nobody else commenting.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:04

That's right. It's just me and you. Yeah, we're just they're gonna listen to what we said after the fact.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:10

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:11

And I mean that's that's like.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:13

If you slip up and you say something that you don't want on air, you know, just let me know and I'll cut it out.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

Like that's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:19

I've had plenty of time people like they slip up and they might mention somebody that they didn't really mean to, or you know, say something they're like, I don't really want that taken out of context. Can you just flip that? Not a problem. I'm not sure to make anybody look bad. I'm not trying to um, we're not doing a hot mic gotcha moment. Like, not my goal.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:40

I sometimes it happens. Yeah, like on our on ours it happens a lot. It's like, bro, but they you know, most ours don't care. You know, they that's yeah, we're we're more of the the shock factor deal.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:55

Yeah. And like I've I've told a lot of people like if I have if I'm asking you to come on my show, that means I want the guy to think highly enough about you that I want you know you on the show. I'm not I'm not over here trying to get, you know, because I've had somebody I've had some people not go on the show because they're afraid I'm trying to like get 'em. And I'm like, no, uh I'm not trying to like trap you. I'm not I'm not like a this is not, you know, CNN versus Fox and you know, I'm gonna get you on here and grill you or no. It's not my goal. Goal is to sit here and have a conversation about your dogs, your life and the stories that you know encompass that.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:45

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:47

So that's kind of where it's all gone and and I think that kind of just travel carries over into the magazine. Like the last issue. It had two articles by me. I think. And ultimately my goal is not to be the a big writer for the magazine. I mean I've I'll write when I need to, or or if I have something a person or a dog or something that I want to write about specifically, but ultimately I have enough on my plate editing it and putting it together that I don't need to be the right a writer for it. If I don't have to be.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:28

So um how many how many pages are you trying to do? You don't know, or or what what's your goal or to to try to maintain?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:37

So right now with covers it it's eighty f so from cover to cover it's eighty-four pages.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:45

So that means eighty-two inside pages. Um yeah, there's a handful of ads in there. There's like a little like basically classified section of the back slash, you know, small business ads. Um but other otherwise the majority of it is some sort of articles.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:08

So Okay, I got you. I was just kind of curious, you know. I've I've seen some that were, you know, 2530 and that's about it, you know, and they never really wanted any more than that.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:21

No, I mean in an in a in a perfect world, I would love to see a a 100 page magazine every every issue. Which we're bi-monthly, so it's every other month. That would be what I I And I don't know. That's just my in my head what I think would is enough. You know? But 'cause right now I think it's a l a hair on the light side. But I from a production standpoint, like I want to be consistent. So I don't really want to fluctuate. You know, this one's a hundred pages, this one's eighty. Whatever we're gonna set a length and be consistent about it. It's kind of the goal. So right now as we're building back you know, we've had a few months, like I said, that were a little harder to fulfill that 84 pages. Now like as I'm moving into this one um that I'm working on, I don't think I'm gonna have a hard time and I actually actually have several stories that are probably going to get pushed to the next issue. Just 'cause we're not gonna have space. Gotcha. So but at the same point I know from talking to the newbies before that it kind of ebbs and flows and that that's not always a consistent thing like getting stories. So um I'm happy to have stuff that I can push off for another day or for another issue. But I can I don't think that's always going to be the case.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:09

So I understand. So what what all are you concentrating on? Like what's your biggest thing in the magazine like uh coon hounds, bears what what's what's the biggest right now? What's it got?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:22

So the magazine is a tree dog magazine. It says on the cover published bi monthly for the coon hound and tree dog enthusiast.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:30

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:30

So we cover everything that you can tree. So you know whether that's squirrels, whether that's coon, bobcat, lions, bears, um even had some gray fox stuff. Um I'm not necessarily opposed to every once in a while having something that's not a tree game but well at the end of the day that is the focus of the magazine.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:57

Yeah that's that's the that's the gist of it you know that's yeah um you know that that'd be like Tuskers having uh you know a bunch of coon hounds in it. You know it'd be Yeah. And and and I'm not saying that nobody would enjoy it but the the reason they get the magazine is because they were hog dog hunters.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:20

You know exactly that's why they get it just like with with Full Christ because they're uh they're they're supporting they're supporting the the hound world you know yeah in some form or fashion the tree dogs which it could be curs it ain't gotta be just hounds you know it could be any anything really we we've got curs we've got feist um you know there's certain issues that just get weighted heavier one way or the other but a lot of that's submission based um yeah I try to make sure I have a little bit of everything a little bit of so that but like I said just by the the way it works just because of submissions sometimes they they end up one way or the other so a little heavier and and as I move into where we we're planning things a little bit more and it's not just and I'm curating more content like I'm starting to like talk to meet writers and and have people that are like oh yeah if you need something written let me know and so I'm starting to get some of that and some guys that are that are willing to do that and so I'm like okay well this is what I want for you know I'm thinking an issue or two down the down the line and I'm like so we're starting to be able to plan things a little bit more versus just be at the mercy of a hundred percent just whatever I get.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:46

Yeah. Oh yeah you know I'm glad I'm glad it's going good man like the issue that's gonna come out in September the cover story I specifically asked somebody to write so I was like I was like I already know what a photo that I want on the cover I said no this is what I want you I said I want a story about it.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:09

So I went to find and specifically found somebody to write that.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:13

So wait what's the what's the price on the subscription?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:18

It's thirty six dollars for a year.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:20

Right thirty six bucks write my notes down.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:23

Six bucks an issue shipped to your door sweet yeah that's not bad at all no full color um which is a big the dubies changed that so you know there's a lot of people that that wish the magazine was still monthly um in some ways I do too as a as a reader subscriber sure I wish it was monthly as the now owner editor until it's a full time job I don't have time to do that. And at the same point the quality of the magazine got better um by going full color upgrades and papers and stuff and I think you know I don't think anybody would they and and the newbies kept the price the same. So they they upgraded things in the magazine at the same point the reason the magazine went out of business was because at thirty six dollars for twelve issues wasn't enough money to for CNH publishing to make money. That's why they went out so but the dobies kept it the same price point increased quality and just cut that you know the number of issues in half and I think it worked. And I've had some people like hey you are you gonna go back to monthly I'm like I potentially maybe someday but at the same point who's buying you know a subscription for 70 some dollars 72 dollars. No harder sell. Yeah I think I don't know I'm not saying it would be never happened.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:03

Yeah you know especially to like you said your your the improvement like you said the it the the the full color and you've got plenty of content like you said you had 80 you know 80 something pages you want to get around the hundred page mark until it's really really pulling in like you said until you got stuff that's backlogged for a few months content you know to put out like you could you could also run short you know and like you said you you want to stay consistent. Um because you don't you don't want to have a magazine come out you know and you got two months that are or do it right after the hunting season's over you know it's it's 120 pages and then the rest of the year it's you know 40 pages.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:52

Yeah exactly and at the same point you gotta factor in a lot of these writers well major like almost everyone that writes for the magazine is doing it because they enjoy it. They're not getting paid you know especially all these breed associations and clubs and stuff like so doing 12 it's a lot of work. Yeah it is you know especially for somebody that's you know a lot of people aren't writers in general and you know I had a conversation today with a guy and he's like yeah I'm not a writer he goes it's not that I wouldn't want to give you or you know to do something like that but he's like English was my worst subject and he's like I'm just not a good writer because that's my problem and I'm like well maybe we can try to work on something together like you know your words and I you know can help write or something you know figure something out. I think you got some valuable stuff to say. So we'll see like but at the same point I don't have time to do that for a bunch of people.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:55

Yeah that'd be it'd be pretty tough then wouldn't it?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:58

And I know like when I talked to Mark Booth that owned Southern How I think uh a lot of his stories were like that he was you know talking to people and getting their stories and then he was writing it like as best he could in full like in their voice and what they conveying what they told him. But like they didn't feel comfortable actually writing it. So he's having to actually write the story but you know and that's just a whole extra layer of work.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:28

Yeah it's a lot of work especially when it's a excuse me especially when it's just a hobby. Yep. That's what I said I think there's uh and I I'm sure that the majority of people know that for for guys like me and you uh on ours it's it's it's something that we do just because we enjoy doing it we're not we're not getting paid by big corporations and have all these huge sponsors uh we we've had a couple of sponsors um we've got a couple now that are pretty good we've had a couple in the past that were they started out good and then you know they then they just kind of drop off you know uh oh yeah I've I've had some great relationships with companies and it and it's not always that it ends badly it's just it doesn't make sense for them you know they're like we're not seeing a return on on those dollars spent with you nothing against you nothing but it just doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:32

I've had plenty of people you know I've had other comp several companies come on and support the podcast for a little while and they're just like we didn't see it move the needle for us.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:42

No harm no foul like you tried I appreciate it you know I I ran your ads it wasn't nobody nobody I don't want to say anybody's at fault it just didn't didn't work it's just it's business.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:55

I mean yeah and there's like we have a a you know we're we're listened to in a lot of countries and all over now but does that mean that just because uh mama's kitchens diners over here has the best biscuits in Jasper does that mean me saying that is going to help her business not necessarily not necessarily no and especially like like that a a local business that's very hard because you're not a you know if you were a local podcast and all you talked about was Jasper stuff sure that would make sense but that's not what you do. I've had people do they're like man you could go around all these businesses and all the because we got like a million car lots and all I'm like bro you know if somebody called and asked about everything that's fine. I said but if it's local to where you're at chances are they probably not even listening. Yeah I said and that that's not a I don't mean it in a bad way but you you know yourself I mean how many times have you been around somebody and they didn't even know you did a podcast?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:09

People that you know that live right there you know no I can I can literally count on two hands of the people that are within a half hour 40 minutes of me that know I have a podcast and have listened to one.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:23

That's right. I mean it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:27

It's all all all the coon hunters at my my local coon hunter squad like you know that's about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:34

My niece started dating this guy from Louisiana and he had some pups and he was wanting to mess with them I told him I said I told her I said hey y'all can come over and so and she had told him she's like my she said my uncle and they're real big into hog hunting and all this stuff. And so we're we're out there and we're we're talking messing with dogs and all that stuff and he said man seem like you know a lot about it and I was like I've been doing it a little while and so we the more we talked I was like I mean he was all pumped like he knew everybody on social media and then he he was like he said you ever he said uh you ever heard of the boards and brawls guys I said oh yeah I said I know I said I know Carter Ryan pretty good you know I said uh I said Carter actually come over here and fish Gaddy Nate's wedding and you know was talking he looked he was like what I was like yeah he's like that's crazy so I listened to him on a podcast quite a bit I said really which one's that he said Dixie Doggers I was like oh yeah and I'm sitting there thinking like this is a joke right and so we were talking we come in here we're in the studio and he's like what is all that's a that's a Dixie Doggers podcast he's like yeah right I'm like no that's that's what it is it's outside my yard in in my shed uh we got a studio built in it he's like oh my god he stopped he's like oh you're you're gonna well yeah I was like that's the craziest thing ever and my niece he's like I didn't know just I didn't even know that was John I was like are you serious I'm like what is happening right now yeah I just thought it was funny you know I was like wow but I mean well at least they listened and I'm sitting there thinking I'm like how could you not know just hilarious yeah like how did he not recognize your voice I know that's what I'm saying I it but also he's he's a little special to me you know I give him a hard time he was he was wanting to go tonight and uh I told him I was like I man I got to record tonight he's like dang that's all you do ain't I'm like well I got off work had to come do this I don't get to go run my dogs every time because I'm you know doing this stuff here I said but tomorrow when I get off work I'm gonna leave I'm probably gonna drive to another state somewhere and I'm gonna go run dogs all night long and probably all day long and I'm gonna sleep in the truck about four hours I'm gonna drive back home.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:08

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:09

That's what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:11

You know you you telling that story about him coming to the house and not knowing not quite the same but uh what funny is me and my wife we've been going to this same church for well my wife's been going there since she was like five, four or five years old. I started going there when I was 16. And uh there's this lady that head of the children's choir as my wife was growing up and you know my wife's known her her whole basically her whole life and she even calls her her aunt calls her Aunt Ellen you know growing up and uh all of a sudden and she's got two kids they're a little bit older than me and my wife and her son he had he moved away right after high school and um was a hunting guide out out west and one day this woman her husband was out there uh riding around in the truck with her son out hunting like I said he lives out in the western states and uh he lives in South Dakota and he's his name's Cody and he's listening to this podcast his dad goes yeah that's Ben from church like you know guy that I go to church with is in South Dakota with his son hunting riding around in the truck hears me on a podcast and me and his me and his son have become real good friends and what's funny is up until a year ago you know we met for the first time and like I said I've known his parents for almost 20 years.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:47

That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:48

That's just because he moved out of here right after high school and he any he came back a little bit but when he did just we didn't cross paths and so it's just kind of funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:00

Yeah it is it's uh you know it's I where where do you think the or what's the wildest story I guess you'd say of somebody in that like that same scenario there of somebody saying hey uh you know we heard your podcast and we were such and such place or so and so said they heard your podcast and uh or something like that. What's what's the weirdest or wildest story on that? I would I would say that's probably that's pretty wild isn't the one that that connects you know multiple dots like I said that but there's been plenty of people that you know I've kind of met and it turns out I know you know somehow they know people that I I know in real life you know outside of this um that kind of stuff and um Lord that's how it was with me and Raymond Plummer I was like I gotta quit talking me and Raymond gonna be kin folks I I think the folks the weirdest place we've ever had was uh when that anthropologist we had on Sebastian he was in in Africa with the Hazabi tribe and they were he sent me a a video of him all of them sitting there listening to Raymond Plumber in Africa. That's funny and they you know they didn't even know what you know they had a translator and stuff there telling them those guys thought it was the craziest thing ever but their dogs oh my dude those dogs like you know they don't have any they don't have sport mix or value pack or toy or none of that those dogs uh they better be meat dogs is all I can tell you oh yeah they're feeding themselves yes and dude them them stomach guns hunt I got some really good which we you know because of the of how the whole thing is you know it was a uh I'm trying to think how how how to even say it it was a it was a funded trip for them to to study so I mean the videos that that he sent you know I can't put them out I can't I can't show any right you know it just but I just thought it was cool they uh he brought us back a few little odd ends from them he brought me brought me back some of those uh some of their spearheads now those those are cool oh I'm sure I was like man I said we got it made it's I dude we are so spoiled here absolutely and and we don't even have a clue you see you see some of these other places and the way they have to hunt it's uh and and all the rules and regulations and the laws oh man oh yeah it's crazy I uh I met a guy from Sweden through it was a hunting app that existed a while back called Go Wild and so we we kind of connected through that and became friends and then he came over here to hunt with some other guys that he kind of got connected to with because of my podcast and uh so when he came over he's like hey I'm coming over and so I went down and hunted with him and these other guys and uh it was just funny like we rode down I don't know like two hours together from one where we stayed the night and where we were hunting that day and me and him were just kind of going through like laws and and the differences of hunting there versus here.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:42

And I've heard of it on podcasts but it's just to actually have a conversation like go back and forth and just kind of hear about it. I was like I don't know if I'd want I don't know if I'd go through all of what you guys do to hunt. Like like from a standpoint of I I got into this as a as a young adult. I don't know if I would have done all that like to to get into it. Too much trouble hurdles yeah like it's one thing if you're raised in it and you it's just like what you know but as an as I got into this as a young adult I don't know if I would have gone through all the hurdles that you have to go through.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:20

So I mean I don't know how how strict it is where he's at I've talked to a couple of guys from Sweden uh and they've told me a little bit of stuff but it's like I said it's it's ridiculous. I've talked to quite a few from Australia and from Great Britain places like that and it's ridiculous. I I mean and then when they you know and I've had you know I've had the the pleasure of meeting quite a few of them and there's several of them that I know that that have actually moved here and first thing they do they go buy a bunch of guns. Every one of them they go buy a bunch of guns. They're like dude you can just walk in the store and buy I'm like yeah they're like we can't do that. And I'm like wow it's pretty pretty crazy how everything is just so different. But we all have one thing in common you know all of us all of us hunt in some form or fashion so therefore these podcasts they you know there's there's a lot of good in it not just being these super celebrities like we are you know uh with all this money running out of our ears every now and then you know you get to uh all the people that I've met have been good people yeah every now I've had a blast on this I have too man it's been awesome that's for sure let's say what are we looking like old town it's just crazy uh yeah I've gotten travel around like you said and hunt with some different people that I had on the podcast and you know people that we're talking live

SPEAKER_00 1:28:59

fifteen, sixteen hours away from me.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:02

That I've never met a day in their life. You know, we but we'd become good friends over a a stupid podcast.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:09

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:09

You know, it's home. And now you know they're like family.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:14

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:15

You know, there's people that I I could call up and say, hey, I I really need your help with anything. And if they could help me, they're going, they're going to.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:25

Without a doubt. I've got I've got quite a few like that now. Uh it it amazes me.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:33

Uh like I said, it's just I guess it's, you know, like because I'm the same way. Once we're friends, you know, we're friends. If you need me, I would I would say, hey, give me a call, but look, text me and let me know you need me. Then I because I probably ain't gonna answer the phone. I know. But you know what I'm saying? It's it's one of those deals where I I don't know man, we've I've just been blessed and I I I I don't know how to to to to even express my gratitude on these things. And and like even towards you as much as you helped in the early parts of it and and you've supported us from the get go we it's very appreciated man. Telling you.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:16

Yeah no like likewise like I appreciate you guys having me on. I mean I appreciate not only this is the second time you guys have had me on so and just the friendship and you know me and Nate we've talked a lot about the stuff on the back end and how he's doing it, how I'm doing it and you know it yeah I've helped out in certain ways but at the same time I turn around and I ask him how you doing it. What have you figured out? Have you figured out a better way to do it? Like maybe maybe you're doing it better than me. Who knows? Um so there's there's things that can be learned just from everybody and especially people that are going and that's the the hard thing is there's not a ton of people in this so that to you know to find somebody to ask oh yeah it's kind of hard.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:09

So it really is and and there's a few that are what what I call the big dogs you know and you you can't you can't ask them really you know they they're not like us. If somebody messaged me or calls me I might not I might not answer you right then and it might not be that day. It might not be that week but the first chance that I actually get where I can sit down and text you back or call you back that's what I do. And and I've had people they're like man I I tried to call you I'm like well did you ever text me or or try to call back and they're like no I was like well I was probably at work if it's during the middle of the day and you know I didn't get it but I didn't I've I've sat out man I've been on the phone at three o'clock in the morning talking to I talked to one kid right on his graduation night he sent me an invitation to come to his graduation and man I sat up most of the night talk to him he he didn't want to go party or none of that stuff and he was like man just kind of kind of alone and all that man we we sit and talk dogs on I don't know that's awesome you know and so you know when when you have the the the bigger like we can't call Joe Rogan and talk to him you know I can call Ben you know or you can call me or Nate and we can we can interact and I think I think that's why I'm being so adamant on staying and doing this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:38

Yeah you know like it's funny this has opened up so many different friendships like there's so many people that I've become friends with through this that I would have never known and it's funny the people that I talk to on a regular basis don't live anywhere near me. States away. That's right yep you know I talked to two guys today both of them are good friends of mine. The closest one lives eight hours from me.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:10

The other one lives I don't know halfway across he lives on the other halfway across the country from me so I got one I talked to I usually talk to three about the same three guys at least five days a week and well there's probably four but anyway so I got one that's 13 hours one that's 16 hours and then there's one almost in between them two and I talk to them probably more than I do anybody. Yeah I mean every day every day or or try to every day you know but now they have lives too you know and they work and I got another good friend that I made on doing this Tom Cochram he's in a he's up in Tennessee and just one of the most genuine wholesome people you'll ever be around uh just old Hill Billy pick a guitar and let me tell you something when that man sings holy it blew my mind I was like what it was just oh man so good and and and get and he brought his son down they're about the same age as my son you know that and just hang out and I couldn't tell you how many other people that have come and done that bunch of young guys they come and hunt with us all the time I mean it's it's all the time except for the ones that have the best dogs in the world that tell you how to everything that you're doing wrong I can't even pay them to come up here and I've tried yeah so and you never will no never will brother well you got anything else you want to exciting you want to throw out there Ben we got about well about an hour and a half on here something like that yeah something like that we can talk on that long I don't care now like I said the magazine is a big thing um the best way to subscribe is full cry dot fullcry mag.com and you better go subscribe I'm not playing if y'all listeners out there if y'all don't go subscribe to this magazine oh my listen we're gonna start sending pictures of all these poor little hungry puppies we got y'all better y'all better go subscribe we got to keep these things alive I got a little baby yeah you know and some other little kids they they need they need they gotta buy groceries that's right go get some baloney something so baloney out nor can baloney oh but no I'm thinking my kids are never eating baloney so I listen when they were young I don't know that none of mine ever did but as they got older I think all my boys they that that's about what they eat you know as far as a sandwich and because I never did eat a whole lot you know when I was a kid that's all we ate so I was like eh when I got older I was like it's amazing they make other stuff yeah no that's cool man uh yeah we're gonna we're gonna uh try to get that we're gonna try to promote this full crowd all we can just to support you too appreciate it anybody that uh I know you your your audience is mostly hog hunters but anybody in the Kuhnan world if you're going to Autumn Oaks I'll be there so stop by and see me. When when is that when is Autumn Oaks?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:29

Autumn Oaks is um two weeks let's see September 3rd September 5th okay yeah so it's Labor Day weekend and Labor Day's late this year. Labor Day is September 7th this year. Gotcha usually it's it's like the end of August. Yeah that's what I was first weekend of first weekend of September. Well like I said just because the first weekend of September this year is late so it's the third fourth and fifth. Labor Day weekend so yep I'll be out there being the open side vendor barn um dragging my wife and all three boys out with me. The boys are all excited my two older boys are very excited that they're getting to go to Automokes this year. I've been going the last I think four years and so and they've always especially the last two they they're like can we go can we go can we go? And I'm like no no no no going myself it's hard to hard to drag them but since mom's coming it's a little easier.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:28

I I might ease up that way myself I've never been uh that's good it's a good time it's very interesting um if you're in the market for any kind of coon hunting gear uh it's it's there. Oh I can imagine and so from lights to chaps and dog boxes dog houses obviously garments uh it's all there like if you want to buy a light from any of the major light companies pretty much they're all there yeah that's pretty cool so y'all listeners out there y'all go check that out too Autumn Oaks that's a it's a big it's a big deal um I think tomorrow night I'm gonna go if we can get this boar hog get a boarhog caught pretty quick I think we're gonna coon hunt a good bit uh nice yeah I'm gonna run some plot downs out there with my buddy uh that uh Rao Cabreja he's got a yeah he's got a female named Smoke and I'm telling you that is a tree dog nice uh I've seen some of his dogs on Facebook and I'm gonna tell you he's got a good looking pack of dogs I'm telling you that old girl right there is a is a machine on on tree and coons like that ain't no joke uh we can we talked about go ahead go ahead I just said we talked about me having leopard dogs but uh the newest the newest one on the docket she's a plot dog sweet she's 12 weeks old and she will tree her rear end off on a coon hide oh that's good that's good that's good I love them plots so hey if if we do good enough we have something exciting I'll uh I'll send you a story you can put in there on on a hog on a hog hunter that's coon hunting.

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There you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:22

All right all right buddy well man I appreciate you getting on uh like I said we'll we'll uh we'll try our best to keep this pushed out there um we want to we want to see this magazine really succeed uh there's there's not I really do appreciate it like I mean there it it's really there's there's not any and we gotta have these kids need to be able to sit down and flip through a page and see their picture or their their papa's picture or somebody that they know and read these stories. All you guys and girls out there that grew up on Full Cry just think about those days that you've done that.

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Yeah think about kids section every every issue you know if anybody wants to send kit pictures of their kids uh in their coon hounds or squirrel balls or whatever yeah we absolutely we put uh it's two pages every issue so yeah that's good that's good we've had it we've had a a young right uh girl write a an article about flying hunting for the first time and how that catapulted her into getting dogs and you know her dad got dogs and their kind of their journey into it and it was a pretty cool article from a you know a 12 year old. We're about to put some other youth submissions and stuff in and you know support these kids and get them in involved in more of it. You're absolutely right that that fuels a fire in in in a lot of these kids you know um I know somebody that had their their daughters were in the the youth section and they just thought they were you know famous because they got to be in magazines.

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That's right. That's right. And that fuels the fire continuously it absolutely does. Because they they that gives them confidence I mean and and I was talking with a customer today about setting your children up for that you know um I've let all my kids when they've come to the jobs with me I've let them interact once they became teenagers I've let them interact with customers and homeowners and uh and do business. So that way they know how to talk to people. They know and I let them talk to landowners uh that way they don't just stand there with their like a stick in the mud you know they they know how to interact and con confidence is what that's what it takes.

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It really does to do that.

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So all right buddy well that'll work man we appreciate you and uh we'll look forward to uh to hear to to reading some good stories. Thank you. All right buddy well I'll see you. All right