Escaping Tyranny: Family Flees WA After CPS Targets Their Newborn

When LaToya Richards' four-month-old daughter Harper fell from a changing table, what should have been a routine precautionary doctor's visit spiraled into a months-long nightmare that nearly destroyed their family. This powerful episode exposes the terrifying reality of medical kidnapping in blue states and how quickly parental rights can be stripped away by zealous government agencies.

Bryce and LaToya Richards share the minute-by-minute account of their ordeal - from hospital staff who initially reassured them that changing table falls were common, to social workers who appeared at their door, to the seven officers with battering rams who came to forcibly remove their daughter. Their story reveals how exercising constitutional rights can be weaponized against parents, with CPS text messages later obtained through FOIA requests showing officials mocking their legal choices with comments like "it's their constitutional right, lol."

The conversation takes listeners deep into the mechanics of how these systems operate. We discover the financial incentives driving child removal, how evidence that would exonerate parents is deliberately omitted from reports, and why conservative families appear to be disproportionately targeted. Though all medical tests eventually cleared the Richards of any wrongdoing, they faced a nearly year-long battle to be fully exonerated - a battle that ultimately drove them to leave Washington state for Texas.

This episode isn't just a cautionary tale; it's a practical guide for parents. The Richards offer specific strategies for protecting your family, from understanding your rights to creating emergency plans. Their experience illuminates why more families are fleeing blue states and provides crucial information about how state residency affects jurisdictional protection of your children.

Whether you're a parent concerned about government overreach or simply value constitutional freedoms, this conversation reveals uncomfortable truths about systems supposedly designed to protect our most vulnerable. Listen, share, and prepare - before your family faces a similar nightmare.

Chapters

• 0:00 Medical Kidnapping in Blue States
• 18:05 Introduction to the Woman's Planning Podcast
• 58:56 The Richards' Story Begins

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Medical kidnapping is becoming increasingly common in blue states. Today, you're going to hear the terrifying story of a family who nearly lost their four-month-old baby girl to CPS in Washington state. Hey everybody, I'm Julie Barrett and you are listening to the Woman's Planning Podcast. I'm also the founder of Conservative Ladies of America, and we are an organization of like-minded ladies and gentlemen who are working hard to encourage, empower and equip citizens to stand up, speak up and take action to make a difference in their local communities, on a state level and even at a national level. You can learn more about our work and how you can get involved by visiting our website, conservativeladiesofamericacom. That's conservativeladiesofamericacom.

Speaker 1: 0:58

I am really excited to have my friends Bryce and LaToya Richards joining the podcast today. I met them back in Washington state in 2021 after both of our families had gone through very terrifying experiences where the state had intervened in our parenting and in our families, and they are here to speak out about their story and raise awareness so that other families and parents understand the risks of living in a blue state where the government believes that they have the right to your child over you, the parent. While this is a very difficult story to hear, it's important to be empowered with information and education. So I hope you will get a lot from this interview and please do share it far and wide. Well welcome, bryce and Latoya. I so appreciate you guys taking the time to share your family's story. This is so important and really just raising awareness of what is going on in Washington state and in a lot of the blue states and kind of starting to even filter out to the red states. So just to give everybody a little bit of backstory, I think the situations with our families happened around the same time in 2021. And Bryce and I were connected by former state representative in Washington, brad Klippert, who was trying to help us kind of navigate through similar but very different situations, and so we've we've stayed connected.

Speaker 1: 2:42

Bryce and Latoya have since moved out of Washington to the free state of Texas, and he probably knows that I have also moved out to the free state of Florida, so we all have this perspective of what it's like living in a blue state that really believes that the government has the authority over your children, and what happened with your daughter as a as a baby is is really terrifying. So I want to let you guys start kind of at the beginning and just share, share your story. We're going to do kind of the condensed version and I'll link. I know you guys did an interview with Todd Herman so I'll link that in the description below. People want to get more into the details of the story. But walk us through what? How did this start? Just kind of walk us through what happened with Washington State when your daughter was four months old.

Speaker 2: 3:35

Start on the day, I guess.

Speaker 3: 3:38

So it all started with the day that I was at home. It all started with the day that I was at home. Bryce was at work and I had my daughter on the changing table and I had turned to kind of reach to go ahead and grab like diapers or wipes or something I needed, and in doing so she had fallen off the changing table. All I heard was kind of a thud, and so when I turned back around and looked at her, I mean she's kind of face down on the carpet in her bedroom and I picked her up right away. I mean she cried instantly and I mean I myself, a physician assistant, so I I mean obviously did everything that I could in regards to kind of just a once over to make sure she was OK, okay in terms of any sort of like injury and things like that, and everything seemed to be fine at that point.

Speaker 3: 4:31

We didn't have any issues or concerns and so kind of went about our day, went to put her down for bedtime and she didn't want to nurse, which was a little bit unusual because she always was never a problem child in regards to like nursing at all. Uh, and so when she didn't nurse, I was a little bit concerned and I had told Bryce and, uh, we ended up kind of just looking over her again and I did notice that she had had kind of a small little like contusion in the bottom of her mouth and I was like that's why, like that makes sense, she wouldn't want a nurse. But even being a PA, your mother instinct still kicks in. I was still worried and so I kind of wanted just some reassurance and kind of a second opinion that everything was fine. And so Bryce and I kind of talked about it and we decided that we would take her to Seattle Children's to just get that second, if you will, and so we took her into the emergency room.

Speaker 1: 5:31

And I ask you a quick question. Sorry to interrupt you, but did you have, in making that decisions, did you have any reservations, like if we take, if we take her to the doctor you know they might look at this with a different lens. Were there any reservations or just Not at that point?

Speaker 3: 5:48

no, Not when we were first talking about it and thinking about it Because I mean, I normally have some trust in my industry but that definitely changed a lot since this instance and knowing a lot more than I know now. So not at first. No, when we took her in, I mean I didn't expect anything to come of it other than just to have a conversation with another provider. And so we took her in and I mean it was fairly late at that point in the evening, 10, 11 o'clock Obviously she hadn't gone to sleep yet. So she in there, and I mean we were waiting for the provider to come in and the nurses had come in, like, done her vitals, everything was stable, she was normal, like I mean a little bit fussy when they had taken off her clothes because it was like cold and so um and lights everywhere past your bedtime.

Speaker 2: 6:41

Like what? Four months wouldn't get fussy and yeah, I mean past your bedtime.

Speaker 2: 6:46

Like what, four months wouldn't get fussy? And yeah, I mean hitting on that point inevitably gets to. Um, like the twisting of the stories that they do, they will pick particular information, highlight it, exacerbate it, um, and obviously one of the things was the child was inconsolable. Um, and it was just you were whipping her clothes off to check her to make sure she was good and, of course, what four month old isn't going to cry? Like it would be weird if she wasn't crying.

Speaker 2: 7:12

They hung onto that line and took that through, you know, for the rest of the thing, and I think once they took the clothes off, once we kind of told them what everything was going on, even the nurses and the doctor that came in were like, don't worry, they're good parents, like I can't tell you how many times kids come in falling off the changing table, like like if this happens all the time, so kind of even reassuring us like don't worry about it's not that big a deal so then we brought up, like the whole reason kind of came in was she wasn't nursing and so but there's found something underneath their tongue and you take a look at it, see what.

Speaker 2: 7:47

You know how bad it is. Um, if that's a thought process, and while they were doing that they looked and they were gone for about a half hour, 45 minutes. During this time he takes harper and and breastfeeds her. Um, she was latching, she was eating. We're like I think we got all the information we need Blood pressure's good, o2's good, heart rate's good, all the vitals that we couldn't share the house because we didn't have those instruments for an infant. Everything was checked off and then my spider senses kind of start to go off where it's like what's going on, like why is this taking forever?

Speaker 1: 8:30

They left you in the room alone with your daughter and they're gone for like 30 minutes and you're like where'd they go? What's going on?

Speaker 2: 8:39

Yep, obviously we found out that they went and took the information to what they call their scan team and came back in and go we want to do CT scan, full body x-rays and blood work, not telling us kind of what was going on and I'm like, no, we're good, we've got everything Like explain to me why you think this child is bleeding internally or in the brain where you need to do a CT scan. Like she went into the medical stuff. She's not exhibiting this this, this, this makes no sense.

Speaker 2: 9:08

You did a body check with the arms where they were checking her arms. No, no issue, no screaming, no crying associated with particular touching, no other bruising on the body, like there was nothing that would insinuate that she would need any of these tests done. So we said no, we don't want to go through the radiation, thanks. But we'd like to leave. And so they left Another 30 minutes go by. I'm like get Harper in the seat, get prepped, I know what's going to come. They come in. They're like we're going to get a kid and we're going to go do this. I'm like, no, you're not.

Speaker 3: 9:39

No, they said that they were going to call if we decided that we were going to leave because um they had already consulted and decided obviously that um they had their plan.

Speaker 2: 9:50

But yeah, so we got in I said consider us, uh, ama, leaving against medical advice and you can send me the bill in the mail and that's it. And then we walked out. They didn't try to stop us. They kind of got in our way a little bit, but not to the point of where it was any type of physical altercation or the rest of it which I was a little bit surprised about. I thought they would put up a little bit bigger of a fight, but it was nice it was.

Speaker 2: 10:16

You know. We went out, went home, put her down at the house. Not 45 minutes later I got three cops outside my door. I got cameras outside my house. So before they even come up to the front door and meet them at the in the driveway, I already know what's going on recorder. And this is, I mean, another paramount thing, the second you're in this situation or any type of situation with law enforcement C, cps agencies.

Speaker 2: 10:45

The rest of it you record everything you enunciate it that you're recording if you're in a two-party state. If you're in, like Texas, thankfully it's only a one-party state, so I can record anything I want, whenever I want.

Speaker 1: 10:58

So if someone is in Washington, do they have to tell the cops that they're recording or the social worker or whoever.

Speaker 2: 11:06

Yeah, unless if they have body cams on, it's apparent that they're supposed to be recording, then you don't have to. You're in a public setting and the rest of it. But I just wanted to make sure it was all crystal clear that this was being recorded.

Speaker 3: 11:19

So then, even before that you had, actually we had already called seattle children's to kind of file about, kind of the situation that happens, uh, so we had already done that and and put that information out there. Um, this was before the, the cops you had even shown up but yeah, I forgot about that.

Speaker 2: 11:35

Yeah, that conversation, um, obviously they're inquisitive and they're like hey, we got a call that there's a oh, you know, her she's got a brain bleed. And I'm like well, there's not a brain bleed, let's stop that one.

Speaker 2: 11:49

Um, she's got a, you know head injury and I'm like, nope, no head injury, this is all just under under the tongue, very small bruise, um, and there, and as she's upstairs she's sleeping, you know, I'm like you're not coming into the house, um, and they're. We'll actually use to see certain cases and this is again knowing kind of law enforcement and the rest of it. I'm like, well, good luck explaining that one in court because no life, fire, threat, safety associated with what's going on. So if you enter my house without a warrant, like we'll take criminal action against you, but happy to talk and have a dialogue associated with what's going on. They got the information, they talked to her as a physician and and basically said we're good, we don't deem this as a threat anymore. We de-escalate at a conversation.

Speaker 2: 12:37

Then they left telling us that expected your door from social worker, obviously the Obviously, the next day the social worker came we know our rights.

Speaker 2: 12:47

We didn't answer the door. We're not obligated to answer doors. We're not obligated to be home at the random times that they want to show up associated with it. So this continued for a couple of days. They kept knocking on the door, knocking on the door, knocking on the door. They left their business cards and the rest of it and finally got it annoying. Um, and we called an attorney case and she says post on your door. If you want to have forms of communication, have it for me.

Speaker 3: 13:15

So we put it up on the door.

Speaker 2: 13:17

You know, cease and desist all forms of communication at this point and contact my attorney.

Speaker 2: 13:23

Well, a detective shows up to the house. He sees the note, reads it and still proceeds to not, even, though I have exercised my constitutional right to not interview the case, formulate all questions through my attorney. He circumvents that and again we can't do that. But it was really at that point that we started to exercise our right as parents, not going through what I guess they expected their process to be. That things escalated, I would say very quickly, and it had been maybe what do you think? A little more than a week.

Speaker 1: 14:14

So all of this has occurred in the course of one week's time.

Speaker 2: 14:18

Yeah, so you have the initial incident the cops coming out that night, four to five days of CPS social workers coming out and then finally the detective comes out, sees the note and then as soon as he takes it, takes a picture of it, actually calls our attorney after he leaves and she just says, yeah, formulate all the questions and issues and problems you know through me and I'll funnel it to my client. At that point they take it to the judge, it to my client. At that point they take it to the judge. And you know we've kind of talked about this. Dcyf, which is the CPS of Washington, has a 17 point list. Basically, if you check the box of any one or two of these items, they can deem it a threat and that's is that this?

Speaker 2: 15:09

they can deem it a threat and that's is that this, that is that and now. We didn't know about this until later on through the process. But then they started to rattle these things off and they go as soon as we find one of these threats, we can take the child. And so they formulated a narrative, sent it to the judge and the judge signed it. I mean, it's pithy. It talks about head injuries. So they knew that they needed to hit certain points in this letter to the judge.

Speaker 3: 15:36

Head injury was one, two it is- we weren't compliant or something Parents are not compliant with the process, and I mean really that's deemed a threat.

Speaker 2: 15:47

Like, at the end of the day, what person wants to all of a sudden just be compliant with the process they have no idea about? That's why we got an attorney, like we thought we could exercise our constitutional rights of getting an attorney to do the process, but clearly they didn't like that.

Speaker 3: 16:04

This is all for what they call a paper order. So pretty much orders from the judge to say you have the right to go and take the child away. Yep.

Speaker 2: 16:12

So now there's like a day or two after they got that order, and there's the image of this that I sent over, where the two social workers and three cops. Is that the the text? Uh, no, there's a should be a. I think it's a picture of the cop shining his flashlight. Oh, it's in the body of the email. Um, he is.

Speaker 2: 16:34

He's shining his flashlight into our house, which is a, uh yeah that's like not that one that's the one when they flanked my house and and so the cops showing a flashlight again Fourth Amendment violation because at that point he doesn't have a warrant to look into my house, and so he's violating my Fourth Amendment. And another cop actually enters my backyard to flashlight our house from the backside, again entering a locked gate gate fourth amendment violation without a warrant. And we're actually inside the house at this time and I'm on the phone with our attorney and she goes well, they have a pickup order. She goes, but I don't know where you're at and I was like yep and I go. They don't have a warrant to come to the house, do they? They're like nope. So at this point all the lights have been turned off, look like the house is vacated.

Speaker 2: 17:30

My wife and I mean you talk about from an emotional standpoint, you know my adrenaline is running to fight. Her adrenaline is running to kind of the emotions of flight, and she's upstairs in our master bedroom like holding our daughter, just rockin' back and forth, uncontrollable, like from a point, while I'm trying to entertain what potentially may happen next. And the only comment I'll leave on to this one is just Washington State is a castle law and without a warrant I'm allowed to defend my castle. I'll kind of leave it at what the thought process was kind of at that point. So thankfully they did not enter the house or breach the house. So we have that. They leave and immediately knew this was beyond escalated at this point and it was going to get worse. And this went from zero to 60 in the matter of 10 to 12 days, like very fast.

Speaker 1: 18:34

Wow, he must have been terrified, just terrified.

Speaker 3: 18:40

Yeah, it was obviously emotional thinking about it. But, yeah, definitely definitely terrifying thinking someone's going to come and feeling like you don't really have any control in the situation at the moment and trying to figure out what to do very quickly.

Speaker 2: 18:55

Yeah, so I made a phone call to my parents and said I don't want to know, I don't know what is going to happen. I go. All I'm going to do is I'm going to take her up to a location up in monroe, um, which is where one of her friends lives, and you guys decide how are you going to pick her up, where are you going to take?

Speaker 2: 19:15

her and I go. The only thing you're going to do is you just need a ditch phone, and so this, a lot of this will come into some of the deposition conversations with the attorneys and cops later, but so that next day we got, not even next day.

Speaker 3: 19:31

I think it was that night.

Speaker 2: 19:33

We got our bug out bag, we got all the necessities that we needed and the rest of it, and boom, we're up in Monroe, washington, you know, a couple hours later, and I leave her at her friend's house. I come home, boom, we're up in Monroe, washington, you know, a couple hours later, and I leave her at her friend's house. I come down, you know again, I'm going to. We have two dogs. I'm going to make sure the dogs are good and I'm going to man the house, I'm going to do what needs to be done there. And at that point I know what happens technically after this point, because now you know we've been exonerated of everything and I've been briefed on everything.

Speaker 2: 20:07

But at that point I had no idea. I was like look positive, I don't want to know. If you get in contact with me, you will know when the case is over with and then we can get in contact. Do not call me, do not text me, do not email me. I don't know what type of surveillance they're going to have.

Speaker 2: 20:27

And obviously, lo and behold, they were peeing our phones. They were getting, I mean it got. I mean they went to the US Marshals to try and get the public license checks, like when you're traveling on the interstate, there are license papers Like they were trying to figure out, everywhere we were, um, and so she leaves for 10 days off the grid in a different state, um, and we will not give the location of that, of that, but just a different state and at that point, a different state. And at that point the cops escalated their searches and seizures of our data, of our information, the rest of it, and then you have that image after where the seven officers and this is about three or four days later they obtained a warrant to come to our house in order to take Harvard.

Speaker 1: 21:27

And that's that image. So this is when they're arriving at your house with the warrant to come get your daughter.

Speaker 2: 21:33

Yeah, yeah, you'll see the front image there of Detective Hillman and he's got one of the battering rams yeah, ramrods to breach the house. Wow, at that point and mind you, this is they had gotten the pickup order. They're legally required, within 72 hours after obtaining a pickup order, to have what's called. I think it's like a family some sort of family meeting or yeah, yeah, basically like insinuating um, this is what we're going to do with your kid, and blah blah.

Speaker 2: 22:09

But they didn't have and so they're like this is a very weird situation. Usually we have the child not entirely sure what to do here and I go just about fyi, like um, because it's on a zoom call, because it's right in the heart of coven, when everybody's afraid to in front of each other. Um, and I look, hey, just enough, why this conversation is being recorded. No, we're not recording this, you know we are, and so they 15 minutes to like that's on and they're like no, we don't consent to recording. I'm like that's gonna be recorded. You know you guys can choose to do your process or not and they move forward with it and our attorney is on the line with him, okay like again document everything, everything, even if they say I don't consent to be recorded.

Speaker 2: 23:01

You record it Like audio video, anything that you can, because they will lie. And after I got the FOIA request of all the documentation, they lie about everything or, as they call it, um, exculpatory evidence. They will specifically leave particular types of evidence that would exonerate you out. And it was just astonishing that their main objective you know with and you'll see it in the emails um is get that kid they could care less about. Hey, maybe we should get to find out if his parents are around and the kid can stay with the parents while we conduct interviews. Or let's take all the exhibits. We sent in almost 20 exhibits of a second opinion because we went down to Tri-Cities, where my parents are, and got a second opinion, actually three opinions we got a second opinion from a physician at Cali and another one from a natural path which, by the way, cps does not think natural paths are real doctors. They say to that for the record they go.

Speaker 2: 24:10

We don't think natural paths are real doctors, at least the judge knows Well. They're recognizing the state of Washington as real doctors, so I have to take what they say. They're recognizing the state of Washington is real doctors, so I have to take a. But this didn't want to take that evidence.

Speaker 2: 24:22

That natural path computer and was like everything's perfectly fine and Cadillac even wrote document that's the injuries are consistent with the mechanism of the fall, like you absolutely get a contusion underneath tongue or in the mouth by landing on your face on the ground. And I want to let everybody know it was carpet, padded carpet on a rug. It wasn't like a hardwood floor, so she had some softness to do it. And at that point she's been swaddled for four months. Maybe the moral reflex was happening. Did I say that right? Yeah, all right, reflex happened or not? And she very well could have had fingers in her mouth at that time as well, too. Sure it was. You know, we don't know, they'll paint this picture of you know your horrible parents, and we just want to get the kid. So I mean from there. She's underground, they're flanking the house, they come in the house, they tackle me, in my opinion, pretty, pretty, pretty excessively being tackled in this picture of the individual who's just coming in and reaching the door there, his hands on his gun.

Speaker 2: 25:41

His gun was out the entire time. They were searching my house, even though their entire threat assessment of me was you know, don't worry about it, they're fine. You know the rest, it's a very low threat assessment, but your guns out with four-year-old or four-month like really, um, and getting tackled. This is one hour before we're supposed to be having, uh, our sit down with the, with the judge for the, the parental hearing, and I'm on. I'm in the other room in the office with my wife on a Zoom call. I don't know where she is.

Speaker 2: 26:18

I just know she's on Zoom call with our attorney going over how we're going to prep, what the questions are going to look like, so on and so forth. And we were prepping and then all of a sudden ding dong and they had pinged our. At that point I figured out they had pinged our phones and found out that I was at the house the entire time and they did not like that, so they showed up and took me booked me, but also another issue during that moment is there was, however many, like four or five officers in the house at that time, so we did get tackled.

Speaker 3: 26:59

but 1 of the other offers officers actually took our camera that we have in our living 1 in and 1 around to actually like so that nothing could be recorded.

Speaker 2: 27:09

Yeah. So I feel, and a lot of attorneys and civil civil attorneys feel, as though your ability to record peace officers um, after calling peace officers, I suppose, but um, to make sure that they're doing the right thing is a legally protected constitutional right. And so I have cameras outside. Obviously you got the image of them coming into the home. I got the camera, I got a ring camera that shows everything that they were at their door and at this point I posted a camera that was inside our house in my private property point door, recorded the whole thing. At the time that he'll detect film and spots this camera he take, he goes over to it, he looks around like he knows he's not doing the right thing, yeah, puts the camera down and actually goes around and then plugs it.

Speaker 2: 28:02

Through this process I was having a conversation with a detective buddy of mine and he was just appalled. He's appalled. He's like never in my life would I think to remove some security system. That's there to protect them. It looks like you're doing something nefarious. Yes, that's there to protect them. It looks like you're doing something nefarious, yes, and the warrants he saw the warrants. He's like these are one paragraph warrants with very little nexus written into them or description of what's going on and these judges are signing off to remove a physical person from a family, from a family. Because my words have to be like seven, eight, nine, ten pages long, very specific and even specific to the point of where, where it is I'm going, what is that I'm doing, what I'm gonna look in, what I'm not gonna look in, and free reign in the house and the rest of it on a paragraph. But this goes to.

Speaker 2: 28:55

The big issue is these are agencies and that 17 point threat factor is not law. It's not created by either the judicial system or the legislative branch. Not the judicial system, the great legislation, but they interpret it and they have given such broad power through the legislative branch that they get to create their own rules, regulations and policies. They get to interpret, they get to enact on them and use peace officers at their bullying discretion to enforce it and they have their own judicial system. The family judicial system is not under the same system as civil and criminal proceedings.

Speaker 2: 29:58

And then you get the text message that I sent over of CPS interacting with law enforcement, that they're physically laughing at us because we want to exercise our confidential rights and don't even think to read that, oh, we could get back within 30 days. There hasn't been a case that children get back to their families within 30 days. It's years. And that's exactly why we did what we did. At the time that we did it, we knew if she ever got into foster custody or CPS custody it would take years for us to get her back.

Speaker 1: 30:31

Yeah, and so this text, this is just infuriating. This text exchange here that you got a FOIA, they need to produce the child. None of this had to happen this way and they're laughing but it's their constitutional right, lol, I mean, this is like. I mean you assume they do this, but to actually see it right there is just infuriating. And, like you, you know, it's probably some activist social workers that probably have very different beliefs than than we all do yeah, a 20 to 22 year old.

Speaker 2: 31:08

No kids of her own, like I mean, as in our house, when so we we end, end up through the whole process.

Speaker 3: 31:17

The judge does make us end up taking Harper back into the hospital. She ended up having to go through all those exams that they wanted to do initially, so we weren't able to kind of get around that, and then we made us.

Speaker 2: 31:29

I'll snip real quick, basically got arrested. They released me because they went through a full process of asking me questions. I knew where she was, didn't know. The judge determines that I'm not inhibiting their investigation. Then we're able to go back into court. We went three days to court, inevitably. The judge said look, I will remove the pickup order as long as you go get these tests done. And so we talked about it before we made a decision. So we got sidebar in a breakout room in the Zoom meeting and at that point we go. How much further do we want to push this issue?

Speaker 1: 32:10

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 32:11

So we go all right, come in, We'll do these three things. My wife goes I don't want to see T's MRI. And this, again it's like why would these parents want to do an MRI? Because one we don't want the radiation to do and I gives better image than a CT scan. So it's like we're allowing you to get a better image of our daughter, which we know is going to examine my new. All of these tests which we know is going to exonerate, Mind you, all of these tests which they claim is for the head injuries is done 21 days later.

Speaker 2: 32:46

If she had a head injury, she would have bled out, she would have died.

Speaker 3: 32:50

Like why?

Speaker 2: 32:51

are we doing post-imaging of a child for injuries that you think she sustained? That would have killed her already 21 days later. Like it makes no medical sense.

Speaker 3: 33:03

Right.

Speaker 3: 33:04

So yeah, anyway, so yeah, we ended up doing all the tests, of course, everything comes back completely normal, as she kind of alluded to in that text message, because there was no issue to begin with. And then I mean they even kind of there was lab text message because there was no issue to begin with, um, and then I mean they even kind of there was lab work that they thought was off, which they don't necessarily know specifics as to why it could have been off, because there's a complete, like whole, uh reason that you would have kind of some elevated labs and they wanted to do further imaging, uh like yeah, uh, further imaging of her abdomen look for like internal bleeding, which clearly was not going to be an issue.

Speaker 3: 33:43

So they kept pushing and pushing even though there was nothing there. They kept searching to try and find something even though they had nothing, and I think that's all it literally was. They just like kept wanting to do something in hopes that they would find one single thing that they could, and obviously they didn't um yeah, the lab that came back with elevated liver enzyme and it can happen as a result of just breastfeeding and a cold, the common cold, and you know, in right in young children who are breastfeeding, and we bring this medical research to the doctor at that time and she, she goes.

Speaker 2: 34:18

But it's a liver laceration and my wife is infuriated, she goes. If it was a liver laceration she would be jaundiced, she would have these issues and she would be presenting in other, different ways. But of course we're now trapped in the hospital and I see the social workers, the officers outside.

Speaker 2: 34:36

Basically, we decide to do something like they're going to take her right there and it was unnerving even being in there. They're manhandling her to x-rays machines and she's screaming and crying and the rest of it. So it was a tough process but, praise God, she got through the MRI which, you know, we were worried a four-month-old going through an MRI but she slept through the whole thing, the noise and everything. It was just like they got the image they needed, um, so we, we consented to the CT scan just to liberate us more. But you know, lord knows, how much radiation that we were up with that day 24 images of x-rays, 24 images to make sure that they could get an image of every bone and every thing in her body.

Speaker 3: 35:25

Um, but it doesn't stop there everything was clear.

Speaker 2: 35:30

She had clear health. This thing was over. Nope, get a letter in the mail. You are founded of abuse, of abuse, of abuse, yep. And after all of this information like how, what pretext do you have? This strips her of her license to be able to practice. So it's a huge issue. Not to mention, you're going to be considered. You put up on a registry of a child abuser at that point, and so, all right, now we're gearing up again. We're going to have to fight this. And they were still trying to obtain dependents. They were still trying to come after her. Because they go, the mechanism in which they're saying that she got this bruise isn't consistent with what they're saying.

Speaker 3: 36:24

They were saying and claiming that she was force-fed, even though she had been exclusively breastfed her entire life. But they were saying that she was force-fed and that she potentially ended up getting the injury.

Speaker 2: 36:36

And force-feeding in the united states. I mean we were like I said we ran through research and the rest of it. It's such a I mean we're not talking like one percent of the population, it's like it's hundreds of a percentage of the general population. Because if this is a third world country kind of problem with force eating out, malnourishment and and then on top of that they don't even ask the medical, medical necessary questions what is she eating? How is she eating? They're not asking these questions, they're just trying to include. I'm like guys, she's exclusively breastfed, so they're in the laughing stock of the medical industry. Because we're going around, we're like, oh yes, this doctor at seattle children's thinks that my wife's got diamonds for nipples. That's bruising our child's mouth. Like you are, you're a special kind of stupid.

Speaker 1: 37:24

Right.

Speaker 3: 37:24

So, Wow.

Speaker 2: 37:27

So then that, yeah, that process continues for a couple of few more months, finally they drop it. And that just came out of the blue. And then we had to, then we had to, they dropped the dependency, they finally just let it go. And that was in August, almost six months after the process started. And then in November or December of that year almost 12, almost a year we finally got a letter in the mail that said we're changing it from founded to unfounded because we couldn't appeal that founded decision until all the other charges were dropped. And then we went to appeal and you know, again, that's in some of the FOIA requests we have. I mean, they sit there and they go, you know and I get it.

Speaker 2: 38:15

They want to make sure that they're they're right, they're not going to lose their case, but they're like these parents are going to appeal this. These parents are going to find loopholes. Make sure that this case is locked. Figure out whatever type of evidence that you need to do in order to make sure that this thing sticks and it's just there. There's like is that the one? Yep, there's a couple other ones too, where there's some highlations in there that basically just claim you know, we will do whatever we need to do to make sure we get this child. And in cases they perjured themselves, they lied under oath because they kept flipping back between narrative of it's a head injury so then they could get the warrants. But then when we finally got in front of the judge, it's the pin under the mouth which they're claiming was indicative of force keeping. I'm like pick one.

Speaker 2: 39:05

Guys like which one are we defending against one, and you can't increase the severity of something just so you can go and get warrants because, yeah, head injury, yeah, what judge isn't going to look at that and be like, yeah, this is pretty severe? That wasn't the reason.

Speaker 1: 39:26

I want to point out this sentence about because we know how these parents are protective, I guess, and there is a likelihood of an appeal, attempt Quadruple check your notes for accuracy and that everything is dated and timed correctly. So they're already they know that you guys are pushing back, that you're going to defend your family, wow.

Speaker 2: 39:51

Yeah, and double check your notes. Triple check your notes because you don't do it on other cases, other cases where you don't think family members are going to fight back so you can lie because these other families aren't. Like I mean, I'm not going to like diminish the fact that this whole problem this is this is unreal. Um, so we're we're interviewing with todd herman a year ago and we start talking about god and all of a sudden the internet connection starts to get disrupted and todd pumps and he's like this is this, is the devil trying to get us not to to be able to 35 minutes of perfect connection through it. And then I bring up god and now so we got an internet connection disruption, like I mean.

Speaker 2: 40:43

So many questions before yeah, coincidences yeah, um, so exercise like being able to sit there and say do these things, I know my constitutional rights, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2: 40:57

But then there were definitely instances where I didn't button things up the way that I needed to have buttoned them up and they didn't ask the questions or they didn't dive into particular things.

Speaker 2: 41:08

Or you know, when she was on the run, you know they're going into Walmart covering their faces and the rest of it and they got a phone like oh, we've been made, we have to get rid of the phones. And you know, kind of like, you're doing all these things with trying to like protect yourself, but then you find out later on that God's hand was all over this the entire time. Like you are little mess-ups, they're not going to see them. I'm going to protect you, um, and it was definitely a huge blessing because we know other families at this point. You know they don't think it could ever happen to them. They think that just answering these questions and that was one big thing with you and me, I mean I sat there and questioned it had we actually gone along with the process, what would have happened? Could have this been changed? Could it have been the 30 days that she's claiming in her text, and the answer is no.

Speaker 2: 42:09

So, day three. They're already talking about taking the child.

Speaker 3: 42:14

They didn't want her to even go with any family members, like they just wanted her in the state's hands, like they had already deemed, like they weren't going to let the child go with any family members nor did they even access and get ahold of any family members? Because the only parents that they got, um, they used the information or location on with his parents. But my parents live in san jose state and they tried to kind of look uh to find her and they only found my parents after she went on the run.

Speaker 2: 42:50

Um, because they go, I bet. I bet she's staying at my parents house and that's where it just comes back. It's like these people don't do their true due diligence. They claim that they don't want to disrupt families, take families away and they're trying to keep them intact and the rest of it. It's all a fake facade. They're not true, like they just lie to give that public persona that they're trying to do this. But in the end it wasn't until they wanted to find the child because she was on, because they were on the run that they then went and did their database search of family members in the area.

Speaker 1: 43:24

So I know you both have family in in Washington state and and you know it was I know I know you're. I've met your mom through this process too, bryce, and your mom is just a sweet lady, but getting getting the help of the of your family, especially like your family's on the East side of the state, which people in Washington understand the difference between the East side of the mountains and the West side of the mountains and so it's great that you had that support to be able to, like take my wife, make sure she and you know our baby are safe and don't tell me so. You have a really good support system for that. I'm curious did you have it? Because it sounds like you guys were both really intentional about how you went through this process. Did you know what to expect going into something like this? Had you, like thought about whatever happens in a situation like this, or were you really just figuring all of this out on the fly?

Speaker 2: 44:27

I mean it was, it was all one of those things You're like. This will never happen to us. You know um this, this situation only happens to. You know individuals where it. You know individuals were you know the child is abused, where the house is in disarray and and you know drinking and drugs and alcohol and the rest of it so yeah, never thought for a second that this type of infestation would happen.

Speaker 3: 44:50

We had no idea what we were going into it and navigating through it. It was literally God's hand. Lots of prayers, and I mean just having, I mean, rice is very intelligent in general, but having some common sense in the situation and your rights and just being able to kind of stand for them, I think is the biggest thing. I mean, you know that you have some rights and you can kind of execute those rights. And that's where we started and, uh, we just did what we could throughout the the process and we I mean we had the guidance of our, our tony obviously, um, she was helpful in that in some circumstances, because I mean, without her, obviously, I mean we wouldn't have known that they had some of the things they had to come and wouldn't have known that it was, like crucial that we acted quickly and knew something about it. So that's helpful.

Speaker 1: 45:49

So at what point in this so this starts early 2021 at one, at what point in this process did you decide we must leave Washington, we're going to leave Washington, and then at what point were you actually able to make that move happen? Yeah, I mean, it was there was this issue.

Speaker 2: 46:09

I mean, both her and I were, you know, employed with, you know, good companies and the rest of it. It wasn't actually until I'll have to dance around this one a little bit, but basically my previous employer enacted a COVID-restricted policy that I didn't abide by. That I was terminated. There's a whole other story behind that one and then it was basically at that point I go. If we're going to leave, now's the time before I establish myself with another business and the rest of it.

Speaker 2: 46:54

So I took six months off and, sparingly, we went to Nashville and Charlotte and Dallas and did a good little trip around to find out, all right, if we're going to move, what are we going to move to? And then, yeah, put it up in God's hands, put resumes out, and the South is a little bit of like who do you know? So it's like we just got to go somewhere and we ended up landing in Dallas and found a house just before really interest rates started to go up, sold our house in Berrien just before rates started to go up. So you know, as far as timing goes, it's been perfect.

Speaker 2: 47:34

Now, you know, there's no trees or tall trees, there's no mountains here, you know. Know it's a very different facade um than what's up in the pacific northwest, but I think the first week that we came down here and I'll I'll humble myself it was mother's day weekend. And so we get up, we go out because we're going to start looking at houses the rest of it, and the gentleman opens the door. As our harpers in my wife's hand says happy Mother's Day.

Speaker 1: 48:03

I'm like, oh crap.

Speaker 2: 48:05

I'm not even the first one to say happy Mother's. Day and she's just like Southern hospitality is awesome, and I was like you weren't even the first one. I'm like yep, so and then the food, the food's delicious down here. And then you know, you see American flags and you know there's no shortage of guns down here as well too. So you know you feel protected and insulated and the family values are here. So it was just it's night and day different than than being an enemy territory up in Seattle.

Speaker 3: 48:37

I mean, obviously this instance with Harper was a big push for us not to be in that state. We were very mean this whole situation tainted our thoughts and views about being in a blue state, for sure. I mean we had already had very much conservative views to begin with, but that was a big push. But I mean there's many other things down in Washington that are just not in line with our values, and so it was already. It was kind of in the in the pipeline and when that happened and then when what happened with this job, it was just a little guy like this, is it?

Speaker 2: 49:13

yeah yeah, it's uh. If you're, if you're not listening, I'm gonna really really get out now yeah.

Speaker 1: 49:24

Yeah, and that's what I tell people especially. You know a lot of people will say to me well, you know you're a coward, so you fled and I'm going to stay here and fight. Like you know, it's this kind of virtue signaling thing and, you know, if people truly feel that God is calling them to stay and fight, that's great. We didn't feel we felt that God was calling us out and, kind of like you, god's hand was all over our exit and made everything you know happen for us in his, in his timing and in his way. I do believe if people are going to stay and fight and they have children, they need to understand these things that can happen to children.

Speaker 1: 50:09

And your daughter was four months old, our daughter was 14 years old, so there's different kinds of ways that your family can be impacted and it doesn't matter what age your child is. So if you were, let's say, you were still living in. You're a parent, you're living in Washington, you have a young child, so you're making your visits to the pediatrician on a. You know you're doing the well child visits, so you're going often. What are some things you think parents need to know or be guarded about in this? You know, my kids are all over 18 now, so it was a very different time when I would take them to the pediatrician. If I were doing that now in a place like Washington, I'd probably be very different. Maybe wouldn't even go to a pediatrician. But what? Do you guys have any recommendations for people that are taking their children to the doctors in Washington, or any other blue state for that matter?

Speaker 2: 51:06

Uh, I'll caveat it with this our pediatrician, our natural path, not the one that we took her to to do the other examination, but the one up in Seattle actually was vindictive and try to circumvent um, uh, she knew about us and our child to try and make the Seattle Children's and DCYF argument stick more. So she actually worked against us and that was a natural path up there and I will comment below what that one is and absolutely stay away from her. Um, she, after the notes that I found that she wrote in her office, wrote about it. It did us no help.

Speaker 2: 51:52

So don't think that going and trying to establish care what you think is is a a good doctor. Um, you know, it is like why one? Why are you even taking them? You can weigh them, you can check their heads, friends and height and the rest of it all at home. You know you can go on the computer and check milestones and the rest of it Nine times 10. Sorry, the only reason they wanna get those kids into those appointments is to shoot them up with a bunch of vaccines, like this is your well, child visit six months?

Speaker 2: 52:31

all right, eight shots ready, go, like well. What's the other point of it? Like there is none, right?

Speaker 3: 52:40

I think in seeking out just anybody in any sort of in the medical field, I mean some parents don't know enough not to do that. Obviously, I feel a little bit different since I am in the industry, but I would say to parents that aren't like, you still need to know that I mean you're the best for your child. They went to school and they may have been trained in certain things, but ultimately I mean you're just self and your gun instinct and I mean you know your child more than anyone. And so if you have concerns or you have reservations about what you're being told or what you think is the right management for your child, I mean just don't hesitate to stand your ground and be your own advocate.

Speaker 3: 53:29

I mean you have to be your own advocate, especially in a state like that, where I mean they will definitely I mean put you in one direction that fits their agenda that has nothing to do with your child, like in the end, like as much as they're in the industry and they got into the industry for the right reasons, I don't think that that a lot of providers, especially in western medicine, now are in it for the same reason.

Speaker 3: 53:57

They initially were um, and I would say I mean part of the reason why I actually ended up becoming a pa, not an md, is just because I was told by multiple MDs like medicine is not what it used to be and it really has changed in a lot of ways, and so I think that there's a lot of bureaucracy and there's just like a lot of push to like get people in and just give them what they need, give them the vaccines, like give them the medicine and send them on their way, like there's there's lots of that kind of like care and compassion and and want to actually do the best for the child.

Speaker 2: 54:33

It's the same broken system the school system, the medical system, even our government at this point it's broken. You see, your government problem, um, and and what our government's currently doing, um to to allow agencies, your epas, your fbas, your nihs these aren't elected officials but they're somehow getting this like we're given the, given the same power to kind of implement. And you know, I've said a couple of times and I'll voice it here, that Chevron case about a year and a half ago, that was overturned, going to be paramount for the destruction of these agencies who think they have power over sovereign US citizens you don't and that will be the downfall of a lot of these agencies and I look forward to that.

Speaker 2: 55:30

It's just going to unfortunately take time to go through the judicial process. You have to wait for these agencies to pick the wrong family to mess with, which they did with us that you're going to have it coming. You're going to be accountable for violating rights, overexercising what you think your laws are over us. It's just, it's going to take time.

Speaker 1: 55:59

And one of the things you and I were talking about yesterday on the phone is you know, you and I both get calls from a child a teenager is in a mental hospital, and how do I get my kid out? How do I get my kid to a different state? The scary and sad thing is, once the child has been taken or is in, you know, a mental hospital or some kind of care of the of the state, it's really difficult, um, if not impossible, to to help them, to get them out. Um, and you know you and I were talking a couple of weeks ago about a family in Washington state who a Christian conservative homeschooling family. Their three children were taken by CPS and they contact, they reached someone reached out to me and I reached out to you, bryce.

Speaker 1: 57:00

Um, you know cause they're like how do someone reached out to me and I reached out to you, bryce, you know cause they're like how do, what do we do? How do we get our kids back? And you know it's such a it's really devastating to hear about that, because you just feel so helpless, because you know they're, they're really at the mercy of of the government, and so you know one of the reasons why I wanted you guys to you know, do this video with me is because parents in Washington really need to understand. You are not fighting a fair system.

Speaker 2: 57:32

And.

Speaker 1: 57:33

Bob Ferguson, nick Brown and all of these agencies in Washington will work against you, especially I. Conservative parents are definitely targeted. I mean, if not, why are they letting all these drug-addicted, fentanyl-abusing parents to keep their kids in their home? They don't take those kids away.

Speaker 3: 57:54

No, yeah, it's very true I would 100% agree with that that there is a population that's definitely being targeted and and I mean this is only just one, one small aspect of it too I mean, if you look at what they're indoctrinated into the school system and and the, the things that they're trying to do and the rights that they're trying to take away from parents and uh laws that train they're trying to enact in washington, all of it is totally just working against the parents in every single way. So I mean as much as, like you said, as much as you're willing to put up a fight I mean it's not that they're going to be there and putting up the fight, I mean it's going to be a consistent, long fight.

Speaker 3: 58:38

I mean they're not going to let down in any way.

Speaker 2: 58:41

And that fight will get you targeted. And that's ultimately the decision that I had to personally make. I don't mind, I'll fight, I got the opportunity. I don't want to come at me. I dare you. But when you make a decision for your wife and for your kids, then it totally flips the script on how you want to fight. And so we thought, at least for us, I could fight better down here in Texas against particular things, knowing that there's some level of constitutional protection. That was here Because the laws that are acting up there are so nondescriptive that they're just waiting for a CPS worker, social worker, to read into what the law is. Because first it's just physical, like all right, there's physical stuff wrong with the child. Well, now they're coming in with mental and social and economical issues and problems. To where it's not descriptive, what's? How are you mentally abusing this kid? Well, you're just. You're not calling them by the right name.

Speaker 2: 59:45

You know, you're not calling them by the right, the right gender or the right cat or horse or you know whatever psychological item that you know. 12 year old, whose brain isn't even fully developed, doesn't understand like the ramifications of what it is that they're doing. No, 12 year old is going to go. Oh, they're going to come take mommy and daddy home and they're going to take you to jail Like ha ha ha. No that's not funny.

Speaker 3: 1:00:08

But a 12-year-old doesn't grasp that.

Speaker 2: 1:00:11

And the state has implemented individuals and it's no knock on teachers.

Speaker 2: 1:00:16

But you're not educated enough to be a mandatory reporter. Physical abuse and bruises that look like there's issues. Yeah, everybody can see that You're not a psychologist, you're not a mandatory reporter for these things. But if you're in school and they go you know my name's Johnny and then the 12-year-old says well, actually I'm going to be sued today. And she's like you know, if she caters to the mentality or in their mind, she goes oh crap, but I don't cater to this, I'm going to get fired. Ok, you're sued for the rest of the day. Well, sue goes. Mommy and daddy doesn't call me Sue at home. Well, all of a sudden, that teacher goes.

Speaker 2: 1:00:59

Those Christian conservative parents that let their kids into the school yes, yep. Those Christian conservative parents that let their kids into the school yes, yep, I got, I got out of use over here. They're not conforming to what the child's wishes are. Like when child become the dominant person in the household, like like no, you get guidelines from your parents, you get instructions and pathways forward and corrections that have to take place, you know, or the world's going to eat you alive. And now, now, all of a sudden, the kid gets to rule the house. Like that's the direction it goes. So now you're going to kowtow to your kids and their demands at 12 years old and it's just ridiculous.

Speaker 1: 1:01:41

Yeah, and we actually had with not the daughter that cause. So I have twins, and the one that was in the youth shelter, her twin sister, was socially transitioned by her high school and there were a few reports made to CPS that were, you know, screened out. But the fact that the school was calling CPS on super minor things, like stepdad raised his voice asking the child to clean their room what parent does that I mean? If I didn't clean my room, I got a board on my butt.

Speaker 2: 1:02:21

Yeah, it was a small little PVC pipe when I was a kid.

Speaker 1: 1:02:26

Yeah, so I think you know, especially in, you know, places like, specifically, western Washington, these teachers and social workers and counselors in the schools are activists. You know they've come out of an education system that has indoctrinated them so that they're able to indoctrinate these kids, and these kids just don't like you said, they just don't know enough, they don't know how to push back and they can't defend their parents or they think it might be funny.

Speaker 2: 1:03:00

Kids are inherently chaotic. I mean, you scramble the brain, you're trying to get them in the right direction and piece everything together and the brain's still developing, and then for the process to empower these kids to think that they have authoritative capacity over an adult, that's the mind boggling part is well, wait a second. They can't buy cigarettes until they're 18,. They can't vote until they're 18,. They can't enlist in the military until they're 18,. They can't drink until they're 21,. But somehow making life-changing alterations on a belief function and a mental function at 12, like yep, we're okay with that Because it serves the narrative of them being able to either A take the child out of the home to increase the budgets of the CPS, which is wild I mean like yeah, will you talk a little bit about how they do that and why there's that sort of, there's that financial incentive for the state to remove kids from the homes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:07

So why is CPS's budget every single year getting better and better? To me, that tells me you guys aren't doing your job. You should be in the community. It was originally founded to do that, no different than the Department of Education and these other agencies to do particular things. The objective should be to complete them, not expand them, and never let the issues go away. And so now they've become so expansive and so big that they have quotas and you can get four AAs from the federal government. That, based off of the submissions of how many kids they have, that's how much federal government aid they get, that's how much state aid that they get.

Speaker 2: 1:04:46

So their objective is to get as many kids as they can because it basically guarantees them job security. I mean, it's a horrible thing. Your job should be to educate, help families, make sure that this situation never happens and inevitably go away, because we got better as a society, not worse, like. Your agency's depiction of getting bigger means their society is getting worse, like open your eyes.

Speaker 1: 1:05:13

Yeah, something I want to circle back to, because you touched on it very quickly and I want to make sure that people don't miss it, because it's so important. Sure that people don't miss it, because it's so important. You were arrested, you were taken to jail, yeah, um, so they come to your home. That was all during, uh, this, when they came to your home and they've got you. You know they're wrestling you um, and is this the the time when they arrested you and hauled you off to jail?

Speaker 2: 1:05:43

Yeah, yeah I was smiling and laughing the whole way and Hill Hillman goes you're pretty jovial for this and I'm like I don't think you know who you're messing with, and so you.

Speaker 1: 1:05:58

So you go to jail. You're in jail. What Overnight?

Speaker 2: 1:06:00

one night, yeah, overnight.

Speaker 1: 1:06:01

And then you go in front of a judge the next day and they what was their reason for arresting you?

Speaker 3: 1:06:10

they didn't have a good one. He kept asking that every single time, before they even got in the car, like yeah, I like what I asked multiple times like why am I being detained?

Speaker 2: 1:06:21

again you go back to this like am I I being detained? Am I being arrested? Yes, why. What are the charges? What is? Like you, you have to tell me why it is that I'm being detained, why I'm being arrested. Like you can't just under the guise of you know safety, just put me in jail and then I get to find out later. Are in jail and then I get to find out later.

Speaker 2: 1:06:43

So then I'm in front of the judge and the judge is like oh, you know custodial interference and rid of habeas corpus, which means I'm not producing the body or giving information of how to produce the body, which you know. Go figure, our laws can't humanize people. It's Harper. I'm not telling you where Harper is. So then I get in front for 30 minutes. It's Harper. I'm not telling you where Harper is. So then I get in front for 30 minutes. It's Detective Hillman, cps workers. It's the judge. And I got that recording and I actually re-listened to it last night and it's just like I didn't perjure myself, didn't even have to use marital privilege because our conversations between us I don't have to tell the courts it's called marital privilege, but it's good to know, yeah, now there's a caveat to it.

Speaker 2: 1:07:31

If they think you have information and you're enacting marital privilege and you're saying I'm not telling you because it's marital privilege, they could go. You're withholding that information and we're going to you in court, but we're gonna hold you in jail. Um and and I had never picked up on this until I re-listened to it last night the judge goes I actually have authority to hold you for coercive manners, which basically means she can hold me in court to to basically blackmail my wife to come out of hiding, and even though me I have no idea where she is.

Speaker 2: 1:08:06

I have no idea where my child is. I can't give you that information, nor would I even if I had it. But and you're going to hold me against my will with my bail, my bail was set to no bail. He is not allowed to leave. I'm not a murderer, I'm not a kidnapper, I'm not like a human trafficker. No bail, Like I mean. You talk about constitutional violations here, here like they lie under oath. I have them perjuring themselves multiple times, but no, no attorney will take the case because it's not financially beneficial to them Right.

Speaker 2: 1:08:44

Harper was never hurt through the whole process. So there's no financial gain for these attorneys to go after. And that was one of the hardest skills to swallow was knowing that there are good attorneys out there. There are good attorneys out there but they're very selective and I will be on what cases they can and can't take, based on the monetary, financial compensation that kind of comes in. But there are tons of attorneys know that I'm happy to stand in front of a judge against Detective Hillman and Detective Blakeman and present evidence that would make any of their arguments, any of their cases, rendered useless, making their any of their arguments, any of their cases, rendered useless. This is more just if they watched us they don't still watch them and you know.

Speaker 1: 1:09:31

What you mentioned about the lawyers is is particularly important because you know every time one of these unconstitutional laws gets passed in Washington which 99% of their bills that they pass through the legislature are unconstitutional and citizens will always say it's okay, you know, see you in court and you know it. Just your your point about lawyers not you know, not being able to find a lawyer to take your case. That is a big problem because in a state like Washington there's sort of this political career maneuvering in the court system and and a lawyer doesn't want to take a case. That number one isn't going to be financially beneficial for them but number two might get them blackballed within the judicial system. So people in Washington and all these other blue states, they need to understand how corrupt the judicial system is and how difficult it is in these states to get a fair shot.

Speaker 2: 1:10:27

Yeah, I mean you find out how quickly it is. A good old boys club and backdoor deals and conversations. I will say I mean, not all cops are bad, obviously. Some are just claiming to do their job, which I would still chop that up. Is your bad?

Speaker 2: 1:10:44

Um, the two cops that took me in for my arraignment after arresting them and then I inherently got released, um, I got. They took me out of cuffs. They didn't obviously they didn't deem me as a threat. So they took me out of the cuffs to walk me down to release me, but typically they're in cuffs release me, but typically they're in cuffs release and they're like good job, like we hate them, like most of us hate cps and dc. Like good job fighting back, like fight for your family. They saw that and then they felt the need to say something. Um, and so we were talking and laughing, you know, all the way back down to it and I was just like all that's a little reassuring that the two very large individuals that were standing behind me while I'm in full shackles and bracelets were like good, good for you.

Speaker 1: 1:11:34

That's awesome. Yeah, they aren't all bad, but I think in a, in a place like Washington, where, you know this, especially like Washington State Patrol is you know, governor Ferguson is at the top of that and a lot of these agencies have been captured by by the left, and so they're not really doing the right thing, they're not protecting a citizen's right and which you know was all over your case, do you have? You know, I kind of want to wrap this up, but I want to. I want people to be prepared, and that's one of the reasons why, you know, I bring this type of content to people, because I want them to have an awareness of what's going on and how they can be prepared and protect their family, knowing what you know.

Speaker 1: 1:12:20

Now, if you still if you were someone still living in Washington, I know, you know we already kind of talked about do as much of this, well, baby stuff at home with your kid, you know, really trying to empower parents that you are qualified to do a lot of these things that you think that you need to outsource to people, um, but, as far as could, so is there a way that parents could be prepared for such a situation like you mentioned. You know a bug out bag and you know some of that. Like are those things? Are there preparation things people could be doing?

Speaker 2: 1:12:52

have a burner phone yeah multiple burner phones and when you buy the burner phone, buy with cash, you know that's. The reason they want to get rid of cash is because it's a lot easier to track with that, so Faraday bag. So if you need to take your laptop because it's got documentation or information associated with it, or your cell phone, don't think for a second that just because you turn your phone off, it's there. Um, you know she shut her phone off and you know, through this whole process I have a detective buddy, um, that I was in communication with um. He's like nah, and so it got shut off, shoved into a faraday bag and then just just left where they weren't, because if they want to be able to track it, they can still track it. He was astonished at this whole process of just. He's like wow, I cannot believe they're escalating it to this point. He's like this is wild to me.

Speaker 2: 1:13:51

You know those types of things in preparation. That's not just any situation that you might think that you need to get out of and get there, and you you know water and everything else. Um, it's extremely difficult to kind of make a decision because if your child is injured, like you you should like there's a broken home like you can't, there's a broken home. Like you can't do that at the house, you do need to take them in, but you need to make sure that your story and again the truthful story I'm not trying to help individuals that do abuse their children, but your story needs to be very well thought out and you need to be prepared to get second or third um associated with things and the second that you think that this narrative is going to start to be flipped away up against you, like you need to be prepared to take your child.

Speaker 2: 1:14:56

Other one there are um, um, um, licensed readers on every major highway, um, and so they will track your car. So if you need to get a different car, somehow get a different car, or remove your plates. Now, removing your plates makes you a little bit more of a you know, hey, why doesn't this person have plates? I'm gonna, I'm gonna pull them over, but whatever you can do, and then getting out of the state is huge because it slows their capacity to be able to get, because Washington State has no authority of individuals who are in Oregon.

Speaker 2: 1:15:35

Now they'll claim that they have sovereign authority over Washington state residents. So, kind of going back to what we were talking about earlier, is a Texas resident who's up in Washington who may have this happen to them.

Speaker 2: 1:15:52

This is what I'm waiting for the court to finally see through is if the state of Washington takes a child that's not a resident of Washington, at that point, in my opinion, that's kidnapping. Wait for them to mess with the wrong parents, um and, and Texas starts to sort their authority over the state of Washington or any other state that has common sense in that sense of things.

Speaker 2: 1:16:22

So it's very difficult to say this is what you would do in every situation, but prep yourself, understand your rights, your constitution have a bug out back, have a plan, and enough people have come to me through other other avenues um, that I'm I'm more than happy to get a brief of what your situation is, um, and then make some judgment calls on how I you know how I would help and handle um, obviously, for those that are listening with complete and utter plausible my abilities. That can't do anything to me, um, but uh, I'll make sure that that family is safe in some form of capacity, um, so I would also just plan to know who you're going to reach out to.

Speaker 3: 1:17:07

That is your support system and your network of people you can trust because, if you, if you don't have the support system and you don't have other people that you can 100% trust, I mean it's going to be difficult to try and do it on your own. So I would say know that that's the case and always know who your go-to person is, that you're going to call to reach somebody, and that they can and will and act on your behalf without question, because throughout this whole process we never even touched on it, but I came to learn that there are some people in my inner circle that I couldn't trust. That actually turned against me as well too, during this whole time, and so I don't know kerry mcstaff.

Speaker 2: 1:17:50

He has thurston county sheriff's department. I got your information anyway.

Speaker 3: 1:17:54

so somebody had personally went to school with she actually is is a sheriff. Wow, this whole situation went against us. A personal friend of mine we're not saying names also went against us called the police and was concerned more on my behalf that something happened to me, but in doing so escalated and made the situation worse. And just knowing the people that you can fully trust 100%, that are willing to kind of go out on a limb with you to help you, I would say definitely have that for sure.

Speaker 2: 1:18:27

Yeah, that inner circle was absolutely paramount. You know again, for us it's, you know, it's church, and I think that they know that you're good people. They've been around you. I mean, these are people that wrote testimonies, in our case, against this, that were just like. This is completely and utterly false. I mean, my wife had a natural birth because of not wanting to inject things into our child, to not have her. In this stressful situation of all the lights and being in the hospital for 2, 3 days in a row and taking the child away, waking her up, we were in and out in 4 hours with, with the, you know, no drugs, no nothing. And you to take that a written statement from the to take that, a written statement from the what's the technical title?

Speaker 2: 1:19:23

Where's the birthing person? My midwife, Midwife, Midwife, yeah. And to take that and all of our friends' statements that, nah, we're just going to throw these out, Like that's the information that they didn't can look at in this process. I mean, don't think compiling a bunch of awesome things is going to help. Just have your inner circle help you. You know, get, just get out.

Speaker 1: 1:19:48

Get out, yeah, and I think that's kind of a perfect place to end, because I think that's the message that we all share. Right is get out Because, as Latoya you said, you know a few moments ago, it's going to be a long process to get Washington back to any kind of sanity. It's so far in the hole.

Speaker 1: 1:20:09

I believe it's beyond redeeming right now, I think it's going to have to totally collapse and then, you know, be rebuilt. But I don't know if that will happen in our lifetime and if you have children or children or you know, you just want to live like free people. Like I said, our kids are all over 18 now, but we want to be able to go to the gun store and you know pick up a 17 round anybody in Washington.

Speaker 2: 1:20:40

There's no laws that says I can't ship them to you.

Speaker 1: 1:20:43

Oh, that's true, yeah, but I, but that is the, you know, especially if you have children, you need to get out of Washington. It's not going to get better and you know, as, as we kind of alluded to, if your child is a resident of a different state Texas, florida, tennessee, whatever and they are, you know, kidnapped, you know, or transgender trafficking, because that's kind of a thing that Washington is really trying to increase and bringing kids to their state for the transgender stuff. If you're in a different state, like Texas, then the Texas, the state of Texas, can help you protect your child from these other states. So, yes, please get out.

Speaker 1: 1:21:25

I want to encourage people to leave your comments and questions below this video, because Bryce and Latoya are willing to come back and have more conversations about this and we can.

Speaker 1: 1:21:39

You know, we kind of kept this as more of an overview of your story and what happened, but we can definitely go down into. You know different details and different paths about this depending on you know the questions people have. So please do leave. Leave questions that you might have for the Richards or for me and and we'll, you know, come back and try to answer those and address those things so that you know our goal and you know our shared goal is to help you protect your family and help you protect your children. So I so appreciate you guys taking the time to do this. You've been. I know you're really good about sharing your story in hopes that it will help other parents be able to protect their kids, and I know there's a there's a sort of trauma that goes into the retelling of the story, and so I appreciate you being willing to go through the emotions that come with telling your story story.

Speaker 2: 1:22:41

Yeah, that's the one thing that I think they didn't think when they came out to our family is they generally emotionally drain you, financially drain you, spiritually drain you through these processes. That it makes for a lot of families, you know, months or even in the fight right then to come out and tell their story, or they fear retaliation for telling their story. And obviously that's something that, like you know now being in Texas, was part of the reason we moved here was because we feared retaliation for coming out and speaking about these particular things. And so, you know, I hope we help speak for those individuals that don't feel as empowered or financially and emotionally drained to come out and tell their story. But there are a lot of us out there, they're just tired and they don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 1: 1:23:37

Yeah, it's sadly more common than people realize and with the laws that continue to pass in these blue states, it's going to become more and more common and everybody will know somebody that is impacted by something like this.

Speaker 2: 1:23:52

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:23:55

Well, thank you guys, and we will. We will bring you back, I'm sure, to talk about more things and more details along these lines and won't necessarily have to dig into the details of your story and how that impacted you.

Speaker 2: 1:24:08

Well, thank you, I appreciate you reaching out.

Speaker 1: 1:24:13

Thanks so much for joining us for this really important interview. As I mentioned in the beginning, please do share this interview far and wide so that we can sound the alarm, so other parents know exactly what is happening in blue states, so that they can take measures to protect their families and to protect their children. If you have any comments or questions for myself or the Richards, I've got an email in the description of this podcast, so please do not hesitate to reach out. Thanks so much for listening and I look forward to chatting with you again soon.