Womansplaining with Julie Barrett
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Every Life Matters: Defending the Unborn in a Post-Roe America (with Dr. William Lile)
June 24th marks the anniversary of the Supreme Court’s Dobbs v. Jackson decision that overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022—a monumental moment for the pro-life movement. But as we reflect on that victory, it’s clear the fight for life is far from over.
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- What it looks like to defend life in a post-Roe society
- How science, scripture, and strategy come together in today’s pro-life movement
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The argument against abortion and in defense of life is very much lacking on the right. It is an issue that Republican lawmakers and activists tend to want to run away from. They say this isn't a winning issue and it's not the hill that we should die on, and I vehemently disagree with that statement. I believe that the argument for life and for the unborn is indeed the foundation for all of the other issues that we are having in our society. I believe it is the greatest spiritual battle of our time, and today I've got an amazing guest who is going to have you seeing this topic and the unborn in a whole new way. Hey everybody, I'm Julie Barrett and I'm the founder of Conservative Ladies of America, and I am so excited for you to hear this conversation today. I am honored to have been joined today by the pro-life doc, bill Lyle. I first heard Bill as the keynote speaker at a fundraiser for Sarasota Medical Pregnancy Center a few months back, and the way that he shares information about the unborn as a patient and the rights that these tiny little humans should have will have you seeing things in a whole new way, and when I heard him speak a few months back, I thought this is a message that every citizen, every activist, every lawmaker, every candidate, every pastor really needs to hear. I think you are really going to be changed and blessed by this conversation today. Well, welcome, bill the pro-life doc. I am so honored that you took the time to chat with me today. You are a very busy guy. I noticed you have a lot of speaking engagements on your schedule upcoming, so encourage everyone to go check out your website if they want to catch you in person, which is ProLifeDocorg.
Speaker 1:Now I heard you speak here in Sarasota I think it was February at the Sarasota Medical Pregnancy Center annual fundraiser, and I was just in awe of you talking about the unborn child as as a patient and having the same rights as the mother as a patient and having the doctors and the anesthesiologists and all these different people, and it just it kind of made my jaw drop, because it's like this is the argument that we, as pro-life activists and advocates, should be having, and one of my biggest frustrations is that a lot of times, you'll see Republican legislators who don't want to touch the abortion issue because it's it's not a winning issue and this isn't the hill to die on, and I believe and I imagine that you do too, that this is the hill to die on, and that really protecting life in the womb has ramifications for every single other thing in society.
Speaker 1:And if we don't believe in the sanctity of life of the unborn, then what makes it different when they are born? And we're seeing that with this, you know, so-called gender affirming care and assisted suicide policies that are going on, and it's just a disregard for the sanctity of human life. And so I want to refer people to your website and your YouTube channel, which is all connected on your website, which is prolifeorg, where you can watch. You have some great illustrations and models of of the baby in the womb getting these medical procedures, but maybe you can kind of, uh, give us sort of an overview of the the unborn, uh, baby as a as a patient.
Speaker 2:Sure? Well, first, this is a spiritual battle. It's a spiritual battle. Genesis 126 says that we're created in the image of God. We're meant to reflect that image of God. Well, when are we created in the image of God? Well, it's not on our birthdays. I just turned 63 days ago. That's not when I was created in the image of God. We're created in the image of God and we become unique at that moment of conception of God. And we become unique at that moment of conception when one egg, one sperm come together. We are genetically unique from our mom and dad and from the other 8 billion people on the planet. In fact, moms and babies can even have different blood types, because they don't share blood. Everything the baby needs comes from the placenta and the mom, and everything the baby needs to get rid of goes to the placenta and then to the mom. So we're created in the image of God. So, at its core, foundation, abortion is an attack on the image of God out of a hatred for God. Just like why would somebody burn the American flag? Because the American flag is the image which represents the United States of America. If you hate the United States and what it stands for, you want to destroy the image that represents the United States and that's the flag.
Speaker 2:But we use science and we use medicine, and we use them to teach and to equip. There's nothing wrong with science. There's nothing wrong with medicine. It's just that, especially recently, our scientists have lost their ever-loving minds. Science and mathematics and biology was all created by God, so it is accurate and factual when it is used appropriately and honestly.
Speaker 2:We try to give people new tools by relating to what they already understand, and most people understand that patients have rights. I mean, we've all been a patient at some time in our lives. All 50 states have rights for all patients. There's federal law protecting the rights of patients and it's something that is innate that we can understand. But the important thing is, our rights come from God and it is the duty of good government to protect those rights which come from God. So, when it comes to patients' rights, we all agree that patients have rights.
Speaker 2:Well, we were at a medical school at the University of Florida and asked the students well, we agree that patients have rights and they said yes. I said well, if I have a patient in the ER that needs a life-saving blood transfusion, but they weren't born in the United States blood transfusion, but they weren't born in the United States. Do I still have a moral and legal obligation to provide them with that medical treatment and a blood transfusion? And the students got really angry. One stood up and he said we've been taught here at the University of Florida College of Medicine that a patient is a person that is entitled to respect and bodily integrity and it doesn't matter if they were born in the United States. So I agree with you. I said we also need to extend that same courtesy and those same rights to those who weren't born in the United States yet.
Speaker 2:And then it got really quiet and then we just started to go into how we are not only diagnosing babies in the womb but we are treating and even curing these babies in the womb and we are improving their quality of life and saving their lives and improving that quality for the rest of their lives. But we can go into a lot of detail. But we talked about how moms and babies can have different blood types from that moment of conception, because half of the genetics come from the dad. Well, sometimes moms will have antibodies which are small enough that they can cross the placenta and start to attack the baby's blood, the baby's blood count will start to drop. We can actually see what the baby's blood count is actually with an ultrasound. It's amazing how that technology is changing. We can actually measure the speed of individual red blood cells going through the middle cerebral artery in the brain and I can tell you if that baby is anemic or not Amazing technology. It's like if you were in a room and there are 50 people in that room, it's probably going to take you a little bit of time to get out of that room. If there's five people in that room you can get out real quickly. Same thing with red blood cells. When there's not enough of them, they move really quickly.
Speaker 2:Well, we have nomograms that we can actually calculate and say, hey, this baby is starting to get sick. Before this baby gets sick, let's do a blood transfusion. We have done blood transfusions at our hospital as early as 18 weeks gestation. I mean these babies would die. So if you donated blood and you have O negative blood, we can take your donated blood, put it in the syringe with ultrasound, guide it through the skin, guide it through the wall of the uterus, go right up to the umbilical cord, go right into the umbilical vein and give that baby a life saving blood transfusion. And sometimes we have to do this every three or four weeks because mom doesn't want to hurt her baby but her antibodies are still attacking her baby. And so we do this over and over again and we save these babies' lives. And it's like well, why don't you just deliver the baby? Well, at 18 weeks, there is not a single NICU where a baby could survive at 18 weeks, but we are now treating these babies surgically. We could survive at 18 weeks, but we are now treating these babies surgically. We're doing open heart surgery. We are treating brain vascular abnormalities, we're doing laser placental surgery. We are doing heart surgery. And even when we do these surgeries, usually the baby will have its own anesthesiologist.
Speaker 2:With the heart surgery which was done at the Cleveland Clinic, mom had an epidural, so she's perfectly comfortable. They made an incision in mom's belly, made an incision in her womb, her uterus, just like for a little mini C-section. They brought the baby's right hand, they brought the baby's left hand and they had a pediatric anesthesiologist start an IV in the baby's hand. The baby was receiving fentanyl, a pain medication, receiving Norcuron, a paralytic, so the baby wasn't moving around and then, once the baby was comfortable, then the cardiothoracic team made an incision in the baby's chest, removed a heart tumor, called a teratoma, from the baby's heart which was going to kill the baby. They then closed the baby's chest removed was going to kill the baby. They then closed the baby's chest, removed the IV, tucked the hands back in, closed the uterus, closed the skin. They did all that at 27 weeks gestation and they didn't deliver that baby until 37 weeks.
Speaker 2:So we teach all these different procedures because all patients have rights and a patient is a person. Because all patients have rights and a patient is a person, no matter how small. So we don't want the pro-life community to just say, well, I'm pro-life, well, why we want to give them the tools that we can. I'm an advocate for patients' rights or I stand up for the least of these, I stand up for the most vulnerable patients. So we give them these tools where they can go through, and we've developed 3D animations which are amazing. There's something new every month when it comes to technology. Nobody has done a robotic case yet. We've done laparoscopic, fetoscopic cases where we've operated on babies. But all patients have rights. We're genetically unique from that moment of conception, and we have a biblical and we have a spiritual and we have an ethical duty to defend the least of these.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and you have on your website. You have an actual curriculum to train citizens on the points that you're talking about right now.
Speaker 2:We do. We actually spent about a year and a half and we developed an eight hour pro-life doc curriculum and it's great, for we homeschooled our children for 14 years and they still excelled at the University of Florida, graduated magna cum laude, and so we had a heart for homeschooling. But we developed it for homeschoolers, for Christian schools, catholic schools. But we have lots of churches that are using it as their Sunday school lesson for a quarter, where instead of doing a 60-minute session they'll do only 30 minutes of each lesson, which gives them 16 weeks, which is a quarter, and the Sunday schools are just loving it. But we also developed for pregnancy resource centers. So there's eight different chapters. We start off with the basics, like how does conception happen? How about fetal development? It's amazing, it's a miracle. You can just see the hand of God as the creator because you have one unique cell. Then it doubles its genetic material. It goes to two, four, eight, 16, 32, 64. Then a certain point, these are all identical cells. And then one cell says I want to be just like you From here on, even though we have the exact same genetic information. I'm going to only read, maybe, chapter three and I'm going to start the entire cardiovascular system. And another identical cell says well, we can do our own thing. And it says, well, I'm only going to read chapter seven, I'm going to start the entire skeletal system. And another one says, well, I'm going to start the entire neurologic system. How did these individual cells know what pages of the DNA, of all these millions of base codes of DNA that they're supposed to read? And you just start to see the body developing and forming, even at 18 days. We can see the heart beating at 18 days. One month into the 10 days, into the pregnancy, there's over a billion cells already. So we talk about fetal development, but then we talk about how we treat the pre-born as patients, both medically and surgically. But then we also the practice that I took over in 1999 was the largest abortion clinic here on the Florida Panhandle. We took over the practice back in 1999, and we had the physician sign a two-year non-compete where he couldn't practice any medicine, and on day one we stopped all the abortions. But that also gave us all the abortion equipment. So we shipped all of the abortion equipment the suction machine and all the instruments up to a studio in Washington DC and then, with high quality, we actually recorded how a first, second and third trimester abortions are actually performed no blood, no baby parts, just the actual procedure and technique, because we need to understand the enemy and understand the evil if we're going to defeat it.
Speaker 2:But then we have a chapter on the abortion pill and abortion pill reversal. We have the only animation that describes and visualizes how abortion pill reversal works. The abortion pill is now responsible for more abortions than anything else. In the United States it's 64 percent at least of all the reported abortions. Than anything else in the United States it's 64% at least of all the reported abortions. But we have an antidote, just like if somebody overdoses on a narcotic. We have Narcan, but we have an antidote. And we have safely reversed the effect of the abortion pill 7,000 times now and I've attempted it 26 times and we've been successful 19 out of those 26 times. So we go over the abortion and abortion pill reversal.
Speaker 2:But then we also go through politics and then my favorite chapter is chapter eight. Chapter eight is all the scripture that can apply to the duty the church has to defend life, to defend the image of God, and where we need to get engaged in that, and we actually. I flew out to Scottsdale, arizona, was blessed to be able to spend Good Friday of this year with Dr Wayne Grudem. Dr Grudem is just an amazing theologian. He was the chief editor and designer of the ESV version of the Bible. He wrote systematic theology, politics in the Bible, ethics in the Bible, and he went through every single verse in chapter eight just to make sure they were all in context and used appropriately, and he said it was probably one of the most amazing pro-life apologetics curriculums he's ever seen. So that's available. You can print out the workbook or we actually have the workbook available on Amazon where you can go to pro-life doc on Amazon and you can have the workbook available on Amazon. We can go to Pro-Life Doc on Amazon and you can download the workbook and they can have it to you in two days.
Speaker 2:We just wanted to give tools, tools for the pro-life community, tools for the church, and then the next curriculum we'll have is specifically for pastors. It's only going to be about 90 minutes, but this is a spiritual battle. I mean, it's great having obstetricians, it's great having obstetricians, it's great having politicians up on their podiums, but this is a spiritual battle show. It really should be led by our pastors, priests and rabbis from their pulpits, not a bunch of obstetricians and politicians from podiums. So we want to equip them. We spoke at a pastor's conference in Huntsville, alabama, last year 120 pastors who wanted to have more information on defending life and the church's obligation and we asked all these pastors 120 of them most of them went to a Christian undergrad before seminary and we asked them how many of you had at least one lecture during your undergrad and seminary on how to discuss the issue of life and abortion, the forgiveness and the healing and the redemption after that, but why it is wrong? And out of 120 pastors, three had had one lecture.
Speaker 2:So we're not equipping the church, which is now why we are speaking, going back for two years in a row to Cedarville University. We've been to Liberty University, the law school, the medical school. We were just at the University of Dallas, a private Catholic institution, Holy Trinity Seminary, because people don't bring up a subject that they haven't been taught how to bring up. So we're there to equip the church to engage and to win.
Speaker 1:Well, I love that and I love that this curriculum is for homeschool too, because I'm glad you brought that up, because, conservative ladies of America, we have been building out a homeschool hub to connect parents who want to pull their kids from the government schools, and even, you know, some of the private schools have kind of gone off the left cliff a bit. We just think homeschool is true educational freedom, and so this is a great resource that we can add to our homeschool hub for, you know, christian families and homeschool families that want to teach their children about life. So I love that and I love that you're developing a curriculum for pastors, do you have? You know, obviously our mission is to educate and equip citizens to, you know, take an active role in their government and on these policies.
Speaker 1:And one of the things that's just been so clear to me is that people don't know how to talk about life. You know they get shut down really quickly by the argument of well, every woman should have a choice. You know it should be a woman's choice. It's not, it's not my place to interfere with another woman's choice. And so I love that you're putting these things out, you know, to kind of teach people how to kind of counter those types of arguments. Do you have like for people like me or people that want to be activists? You know that aren't necessarily, you know, preachers or or homeschool students or what have you, what are, what are some good resources or what is some good? Let's get into kind of the messaging about how people can engage in these conversations, whether it's with other citizens or or, you know, actually influencing policy, speaking at a, you know, speaking on policy to their state legislature or something like that.
Speaker 2:Sure. Well, the curriculum is exactly what that was designed for. It's eight hours in length and it's really designed for any group pregnancy resource center or just a couple of adults or just an individual who does it. We don't want the pro-life discussion with the pro-abortion to just be whoever is the loudest and is the most intimidating wins. We want to teach true apologetics and really focusing around patients' rights, because it's amazing, even from a genetic standpoint, we can actually. Because it's amazing Even from a genetic standpoint, we can actually.
Speaker 2:You know something as simple as boys or girls? Well, I have about 60 trillion cells in my body and 30 trillion of those cells are nucleated. It means they have all the genetic components and they are either XX or XY and if it's, you know, that's the only option that they have. So when somebody says they identify as a different gender, well, there's 30 trillion cells in their body which disagree with them Gender dysphoria. This is not a, you know, a condition from the waist down as far as our genitalia. This is a condition from the neck up, where we really need to. It's a delusional condition. It's like if I have a patient who is six feet tall, she comes into my office and she weighs 80 pounds and she's having an eating disorder and she wants diet pills, I'm not going to say, well, yeah, you probably look at yourself and say that you're fat and I'm not going to give her diet pills because she identifies as obese. That would be the wrong thing to do. She needs extensive counseling, maybe even nutritional care and support, so that she can overcome this condition called anorexia nervosa. Just like I don't take a patient who comes into me as the gynecologist and says I think I'm a man and I don't give her testosterone and other hormone therapy and I sure wouldn't do that for a child this is a condition that needs to be dealt with with a psychologist and a psychiatrist, possibly maybe with medication to help them overcome what is really a pressure that is coming in from outside, from you know, really the public.
Speaker 2:I mean, this wasn't even a subject in medical school. When I was in medical school, you know, it was pretty much clear. In fact, it was considered a medical emergency If there was some abnormality, you know, during fetal development you just couldn't tell if it was a boy or girl. That was considered a medical emergency and you had to get genetic testing done as soon as possible so that the parents knew how to identify their new child. So we need to address that. We need to address it honestly. So we want to really equip the church, we want to equip young people. It's amazing, even with homeschool kids, and maybe they go off to high school and they come back and all of a sudden they're pro-abortion. They said this is a woman's right. So we actually our third curriculum we're developing is a curriculum for kids between the ages of eight and 12, where it won't address, say, abortion directly, but we're going to give the kids a view with ultrasound fetoscopy, mri, of when they see a woman with an enlarged belly because she's pregnant, that there is a patient, there is a person, there's a personality there on the inside.
Speaker 2:We've actually teamed up with a gifted cartoonist who does Christian cartoons and family series and we've talked to him and said, hey, have you ever thought about having one of the characters in your cartoon series being in the womb? And he said what do you mean? I said you remember the Simpsons how Maggie never had a line. She'd sit there with her pacifier but she would roll her eyes or do a head slap. She was engaged in what was going. Maybe she'd smile or giggle.
Speaker 2:Have you ever thought about having a character where that baby is in the womb, where the baby will roll its eyes, you know, depending on what the situation is, it will smile, it will giggle, it will frown, it will, you know, do a little head slap. He says I love it. So we want kids to be able to see a personality there on the inside, because too often, especially when our kids go to high school, you're like how did where did this come from? You go to church three times a week, you go to, you go to Bible school. How did all of a sudden you become pro-abortion? And we've missed that opportunity to educate. So, rather than re-educating our kids when they are influenced by the media and other influencers, we want to prepare them before they get influenced, because it's a lot easier to keep somebody on the straight and narrow than have them go off track and try to bring them back.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I love that you are doing that, because I think that's something that is really lacking on the pro-life side or the right side of everything is that the other side is so far ahead of us with their materials and their curriculums and, you know, look at Planned Parenthood and how they have really become almost a part of the public education system and they're bringing in their abortion agenda and their so-called gender-affirming care agenda.
Speaker 1:And you have states like where I came from in Washington state, where these kids can access this service. There's no minimum age and they, the parents don't even have, will be playing that, the Baby Olivia video, I think it's in eighth grade, I forget which grade it is, but I think legislation like that is is really important. And to the people who you know want to make the argument of, you know, I think you know you and I both believe that life begins at conception and you know some people will say, well, viability, which then you get into. Well, what is viability? What point in time is viability right? And you have kind of this, this margin. I'm pro-life, you know, but abortion up till six weeks is okay, what? What do you say to to that with, with people who kind of have that sort of they're doing those mental gymnastics a little bit.
Speaker 2:Sure, even when it comes to viability. I mean that would generally be considered somewhere between 24 and 26 weeks by most states. Yet we're doing actual surgical procedures, the blood transfusions. We are doing blood transfusions and saving babies lives two months before viability. We've done that as early as 18 weeks gestation. There are blood tests that we can do to determine gender, which are seven weeks after conception.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's amazing that we can do a blood test on the mom and we can actually look at what's called cell-free DNA and cell-free DNA. Most of it is from the mom, but about five to 10% of that is from the baby and we can actually. So when we do the blood test from the mom, we can extract all of the cell-free DNA, but 90% of it is from the mom and 10% of it's from the baby. Well, what does that do? We can actually also have the technology that we can separate cell-free DNA little fragments of DNA from the mom and the little fragments of DNA from the baby. Which would be like if you had a sugar bowl and I put a pinch of salt in your sugar bowl and I said, hey, I didn't want to do that. Can you do me a favor and get all that salt out of the sugar. You're like I can't get that. It looks the same. We can actually separate the salt from the sugar with the cell-free DNA and we can actually tell you not if this is going to be a boy or this is going to be a girl, but if this is a boy or is a girl by looking at those fragments. That's more than 99% accurate. But the baby is genetically unique and visualization is such an amazing thing. In fact, you know, remember who knows what the harp seal was? I've never seen a harp seal before in my life. But then, all of a sudden, I remember when I was younger, they had videos of you know them, you know the cute little harp seals. And then they had videos of them being clubbed and stuff. And all of a sudden, the whole world rose up and said you can't do this to these tiny little seals. We're just trying to show that life in the womb.
Speaker 2:You know, sometimes with the abortion, yes, the brutality of abortion is true, but what we have found, when it comes to, you know, converting and changing people's hearts, that we actually, you know, put up a. There was a church that was showing one of the more brutal and graphic abortion videos in our town and asked permission and we put up a GoPro up on the stage to see what the audience response was when they were showing this brutal, true, but blood filled, you know, graphic video. When we look back at the video, we saw that over 85% of the of the audience was either. Looking back at the video. We saw that over 85% of the audience was either looking down at the ground, had their hands over their ears they were not, they had their eyes closed. It's like you're not educating anybody if nobody is actually looking. So we took the shift of showing the life in the womb, of using scopes fetoscopy where we can actually put a camera inside the womb and see the baby moving around. We used animations of how we are performing surgery no blood, no, nothing, that would be offensive, but 3d high quality animations of all these different surgeries in the womb. So we went from people looking like this, people looking like this. That's how you educate and that's how you equip.
Speaker 2:But again we have to get back that this is a spiritual battle, absolutely, when things don't make sense, you know why the fastest growing fellowship in the OB world and a fellowship is after you do your four years of college, then four years of medical, then four years of residency. You can do additional training. I mean you're you're ready to go, you're ready to to practice, but say you want to do gyn, oncology, cancer treatment or reproductive endocrinology, infertility or high risk obstetrics or urogynecology. As far as leaking bladders and dysfunction, you can do an additional fellowship. The fastest growing fellowship in obstetrics is a fellowship called complex family planning. It's two years where for two years you are taught how to do a late term abortion and also how to do what's called a selective reduction, where you will actually. Maybe a mom has quadruplets or triplets and yes, there's an increased risk of preterm labor, but I've delivered triplets and I've delivered quadruplets. But with complex family planning I'll actually teach you how. Listen, there's four babies in there. Let's decrease the risk of preterm labor. Why don't we go in? We're going to take a needle, we're going to inject potassium chloride or digoxin into the heart of baby B and baby D. Kill baby B, kill baby D, only be left with baby A and C, and then you'll have less chance of preterm labor. Can you imagine spending 12 years how to have healthy moms and healthy babies, but then to spend two more years because your goal in career is how to do that or how to do late-term abortions.
Speaker 2:Even as far as the global impact of this evil, we know the abortion pill, and the abortion pill was actually created by a brilliant endocrinologist, a Frenchman named Etienne-Emile Ballou, and he created the abortion pill more than 25 years ago and annually, each year globally, there are probably about 40 million abortions performed with the abortion pill. His creation, well, etienne Emile Ballou, just passed away about a month ago at the age of 98. But when you look through the numbers 40 million per year over 25 years his creation, which he was very proud of up until his day of death, is now responsible for 1 billion deaths here in the United States, I mean in the world. There are 8 billion people on the planet. He's responsible for 1 billion deaths. I mean we talk about how we don't have enough people to continue the commerce of the world because we've aborted 1 billion.
Speaker 2:So Etienne learned something very vital on his first, the day after he died he learned that there is a God, there is a heaven, there is a hell, and if he didn't know Jesus and I don't see any evidence that he did that's where he will be spending eternity. He will be in hell for attacking the image of God 1 billion times. And he was a gifted man, and you see a lot of people who are gifted surgeons. How can you take that gift and that knowledge of how to save lives of moms and babies and then craft yourself into being a destructor of the most innocent, these tiny little babies in the womb even when they're just still about an inch long, and injecting their hearts with potassium chloride just to kill them out of convenience, even using the abortion pill?
Speaker 2:Last year, there were 26 articles worldwide on how you can use that same creation, the abortion pill, and effectively use it to cause an abortion, to cause the death of a baby, up to 28 weeks gestation. I mean, the abortion pill is actually indicated for up to 10 weeks gestation, but there were 26 articles on how to use it up to 28 weeks gestation, and these are from all different countries across the globe. And when you look at the actual article, they start to share their different techniques and their different recipes. Well, and then they talk about how you want to make sure that you're not inconvenienced by the patient or by the provider by having a baby that's delivered with a heartbeat. So they actually go through all of their different protocols and recipes, just like this is a church cookbook on making cheese grits, they said.
Speaker 2:One group would say, well, we prefer to inject the baby's heart with potassium chloride. Another group would say we prefer to inject the baby's heart with digoxin, a heart medication. Others would say, well, we just prefer to use a needle and repeatedly stab the umbilical cord so that the baby exsanguinates. And they're all sharing these different ways that they prefer to use to kill the baby before they induce the abortion, just like it's routine. So when death becomes, a recipe becomes available mail order. If your daughter has a cell phone, she has access to the abortion pill without you even knowing it. Your grandchild could be aborted and you wouldn't even know it, because death can be delivered by the United States Postal Service with the abortion pill. And now we have these studies that show it can be used up to 28 weeks gestation. A baby born at 28 weeks has about an 85% chance of survival. Yet now we have a pill that can be used at a higher dose to kill these babies. This image of God in the womb.
Speaker 1:And it's so evil it's hard to listen to you talk about that and how they're going to kill off these, these babies in the womb, before they abort them with the abortion pill. And you know this is. You know, as you said, if your daughter has a smartphone or you know if Planned Parenthood is in her school, she can get these. And you know one of the bills that passed in Washington state last year, in 2024, was to allow abortion providers not to put the name of the drug or the provider on the abortion pill prescription to you know, to protect the provider. So your daughter could come home from school with this you know bag of abortion pills, pills. And it's not even labeled. If she's bleeding out on the bathroom floor, nobody even knows why or what she took. Go ahead.
Speaker 2:In the cases of complications. The Ethics and Public Policy Center just the EPPC back on April 28thth released a groundbreaking article on the risks of the abortion pill. They looked at insurance data so it wasn't biased, it was insurance data. People had been prescribed the abortion pill, desired an abortion, but then they followed those same patients and there were 865,000 women that they look through. They look through their insurance data private insurance, medicaid, tricare and just try to see what. We've been told that the risk of a severe adverse reaction was less than zero point five percent. But as far as physicians, we're seeing a lot more complications than that. It's like do I just live in an ultra high risk community? I mean, why am I seeing so many complications from the abortion pill? And what they found was that the risk for they didn't bother looking at the mild reactions. They didn't bother looking at the moderate adverse reactions. They only looked at severe adverse reactions and life-threatening adverse reactions. And when they did that, they found that it was not 0.5%, it was 10.93%, almost 11%, which is 22 times higher than what we had been told. And this study this 865,000 women that was 28 times as large of a study compared to all of the studies that were used to get the approval of the abortion pill.
Speaker 2:So have we taken products off of the market after they've been approved? Sure, we took. You know, took Vioxx off the market. We took DES off the market. We took thalidomide off the market. Thalidomide was causing horrible birth defects on babies, yet it wasn't taken off the market for five years after it had been approved.
Speaker 2:So even as far as the numbers we saw 40,000 women had to go to the ER for the complication. We had over 25,000 women who had hemorrhage and had to have evaluation, even blood transfusions. We had 3,000 cases of ectopic pregnancy, where the pregnancy was actually in the tube, which is a life-threatening condition, and we had 12,000 cases of women having infection and even sepsis. So it is not safe and as easy to use as Tylenol. Not only is this going to kill a baby 98% of the time, but they had over 90,000 cases of women who had a severe adverse reaction from this pill, which in a lot of states is available mail order, in fact, if you go on to some of these organizations, you can get the abortion pill in all 50 states and a lot of these consider themselves providing healthcare and providing quality care and providing a source of care for women and they a lot of times they won't even charge you. So your daughter doesn't need the credit card to get the abortion pill. She can just say I don't have any money and they will send her the abortion pill. And they always tell these young ladies don't tell. If you have to go to an ER, don't tell them you took the abortion pill.
Speaker 2:When a woman takes the abortion pill, one of the instructions that she is given is that you can expect bleeding, cramping and pain. Well, statistically, 1% of all pregnancies will be an ectopic or a tubal pregnancy. So out of every 100 abortion pill packs that they send out there, 1% of those women will have a tubal pregnancy. And what are the symptoms of a rupturing tubal pregnancy? They're the exact same bleeding, cramping and pain. We're seeing more and more women who are delaying coming to the emergency room because they're having bleeding, cramping and pain. But it's not because of the abortion pill. It's because a pregnancy in their tube is growing and is rupturing and causing bleeding. A ruptured ectopic pregnancy to this day is still the most common form of death among first trimester pregnant women. One percent women will have an ectopic pregnancy. So it's deceptive and it does not provide health care. It actually puts risk.
Speaker 2:What do we do with these women who are pregnant and they weren't expecting it? Well, that's why we have almost 4,000 pregnancy resource centers across the nation. These are organizations and groups run by volunteers and with donations, which will meet the needs of the mom If she says I'm pregnant, I want to have an abortion. Well, let's do an ultrasound. Let's number one make sure that the pregnancy is healthy and see how far along you are. You need help because you don't know how to care for a baby. We have childbirth classes. We have childcare classes. We can provide you with formula. We can provide you with breastfeeding classes. We can provide you with diapers. You don't have housing. Let's talk about housing. We can get you into different housing. You don't have a church that you can go to. We'd love to have you come and join our church.
Speaker 2:So all the needs and the counseling, the physical needs, pregnancy centers are there to educate and, number one share the gospel, because that's the real key If we want to win a spiritual battle. We're not going to live with politicians and obstetricians. We win it through the blood of Jesus Christ and the message of forgiveness which is available through the gospel, and these people are doing this. There are thousands of them across the country who are just there to meet the needs of these women and the men, because every pregnancy, except for one about 2000 years ago, every pregnancy involved a guy, and there was that one that happened in Bethlehem and well, I don't think that's going to happen again anytime soon. But we're here to meet the needs of the moms and the dads and involve the dads. So many of these dads come from fatherless homes and they don't know what it means to be a dad, how to be a dad. They're just out there and they're procreating, but they have no thought as far as what could happen from this. So we want to provide them encouragement, provide them resources, what it means to be a dad, and have those dads be there while the ultrasound is being done, let them see the baby on the inside, let them see the heart beating, let them hear the heart beating. I mean that is the truth, and you know we should never be afraid of the truth. It's the truth that will set us free. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. So we have to lead with the truth and be unashamed and we need to meet the needs of these moms.
Speaker 2:So there's thousands of centers across the country. Most of them are either affiliated with Heartbeat International or Care Net. They all have great curriculums that can meet their needs. Heartbeat International also has a great ministry of abortion pill reversal. We've trained one of the three medical advisors for the abortion pill reversal network. We have trained over a thousand practitioners on the protocol to reverse the effect of the abortion pill safely. We have about a 72-hour window from the time a woman takes the abortion pill until we can actually safely reverse the effect of the abortion pill. I've been successful 19 out of 26 times and we just celebrated a couple of weeks ago successful reversal number 7,000. And you celebrate those 7,000, but you also have to remember there are 700,000 babies that are aborted with the abortion pill each and every year. That is every man, woman and child in Washington DC each year with the abortion pill. And yes, we celebrate the reversal of Roe versus Wade, but since the reversal of Roe versus Wade the numbers of abortions have actually gone up, primarily due to the abortion pill. We're up to reported abortions of 1.1 million, but we know it is much higher than that because so many of the abortion pills are coming over from China, they're coming over from India and they're not reported, and so we know that number is at least 1.1 million year after year. And we're up over 65 million babies here in the United States. I mean, how many is 65 million? That's every man, woman and child in California plus every man, woman and child in Florida since 1973.
Speaker 2:Again, it's an attack on the image of God. When we look through Judges I mean when you get some time everybody read through Judges 3, 4, 5, and 6. Judges, I mean when you get some time everybody read through Judges 3, 4, 5, and 6. When you read through those chapters, you see the same theme over and over again, where it says and the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord. Well, what were they doing? Well, first they were worshiping other gods, but then they were doing things like offering their own children as demonic sacrifices to Molech. We're doing the same thing here now.
Speaker 2:Well, what happened? Did God love the children of Israel? Absolutely, he loved the children of Israel. They were his chosen people. But then did he just say, hey, you all are on your own? No, he actually delivered them into the hands of their enemies, he strengthened their enemies. We've taken the lives of over 64 and probably 65 million babies here in the United States, all created in the image of God. Is that doing evil in the sight of the Lord? Absolutely. Does God love the United States and the nation of Israel and what they all stand for? Yes, but they're doing evil in the sight of the Lord. So we're not just fighting for that individual mom and not just fighting for that individual baby. We're really fighting for the future that my kids, my grandkids, are going to grow up in. So that's why we all need to be engaged in this battle. Lead with the gospel, realize this is a spiritual battle, but we can use the tools of modern medicine, science and biology to win this battle.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Amen. And I just want to, you know, kind of hit on what you said with the with when Roe was was reversed in 2022, that was a huge win. Sent it back to the states, and you've seen many states that have, you know, really ramped up their pro-abortion agenda. We saw last year's election I think it was eight states put it into their state constitution, enshrined abortion as a constitutional right in their state constitution, fortunately here in the state of Florida, and I believe you were instrumental in fighting against Amendment 4. And so we, you know it did not pass, but it will come back, and so we have to stay engaged in this fight. And then, you know, same with the SCOTUS ruling last week in the Tennessee upholding the Tennessee ban on so-called gender affirming care for minor children. That was a great win. But what you're seeing already in blue states is we will stand for trans kids, we will protect trans kids. And so the enemy, we're poking the enemy and he's just, you know, it's like it's getting inflamed and and so it's.
Speaker 1:It's incredibly important that we, as Christians and pro-life advocates, stay engaged and stay in the fight. And, and you know, as I mean you're just really hitting down on this is a spiritual battle. That's 100% what it is and that's, I think, one of the reasons why so many people you know, I'll say Republicans, elected Republicans kind of run away from this because they don't want to be seen as as religious Um, and so you know they, they don't fight this. But if we don't have the courage to step into this spiritual battle, um, it's, it's going to continue to get much worse. So I'm I'm glad that you are out there, um, putting out so many materials and resources for people.
Speaker 1:Do you have time for me to circle back to, um, to a point that you made? Sure? Um, you were talking about the ectopic pregnancies, and that's something that we hear a lot about from, uh, people, especially in States like Florida, where you have a a, a ban on abortions. Um, I think Florida, six weeks Um, and they say you know, providers can't do take care of ectopic pregnancies, they can't do DNCs for missed miscarriages and that sort of thing. Can you address that, because I know that's a blatant lie.
Speaker 2:Well, first we realize this is a spiritual battle when it comes to abortion, being led by Satan himself. I mean, this is who our enemy actually is, and Satan is the great deceiver. He lies, he cheats, he deceives. When it came to Amendment number four, amendment number four would have changed Florida which, when I took over the abortion clinic, you could legally perform an abortion at 24 weeks gestation. I mean, we had babies at our hospital surviving at 23 weeks gestation, yet you could legally abort a baby at 24 weeks gestation. Now you just disturb a sea turtle that was, you know, in its nest in the egg over on Pensacola beach. You can be fined a hundred thousand dollars and spend a year in jail for just disturbing a pre-born sea turtle, but you could legally abort a baby which could survive in our NICU. Then, with legislation, we brought it from 24 weeks down to 15 weeks, and from 15 weeks we brought it down to a heartbeat at six weeks. Then came Amendment no 4. Planned Parenthood of Florida and the ACLU of Florida invested over $100 million on trying to get Amendment no 4. Planned Parenthood of Florida and the ACLU of Florida invested over $100 million on trying to get Amendment no 4 added to the Constitution which would have allowed for abortion at any gestational age for any reason. The constitutionally protected here in the state of Florida would have been almost impossible to reverse if it became part of our constitution.
Speaker 2:And then came the lies. Then came the deception. You would see doctors with their white coats by the nurses station saying that women are going to die because currently, with the way the law was written for the heartbeat bill, they said currently, if a woman comes in with an ectopic pregnancy, my hands are tied. If a woman comes in with a ectopic pregnancy, my hands are tied. If a woman comes in with a miscarriage and the baby doesn't have a heartbeat, I can't do a DNC to remove that possible source of infection. Absolute lies. The law does not delay in any way, shape or form management of an ectopic pregnancy, tubal pregnancy, an incomplete miscarriage of an ectopic pregnancy, tubal pregnancy, an incomplete miscarriage. You absolutely. When the mother's life is threatened in any way or her future ability to have kids, you can act. It was so blatant that Governor Ron DeSantis actually sent a letter to every licensed physician in the state of Florida pointing out that this is a lie. That the current law does allow for DNCs, does allow for ectopic care when it comes to these patients which are in danger. In fact, it even allowed for an abortion up to 15 weeks if there was sexual assault that was involved. I don't agree with that, but DeSantis actually pointed out and he said if these lies continue, you will lose your ability to practice medicine in the state of Florida, because you know that these are lies and we know that these are lies and you are, you know, using this falsely in order to get votes for amendment number four.
Speaker 2:So do women sometimes need to have care when they have an ectopic pregnancy? Yes, they can be treated either medically or surgically. Do sometimes women have miscarriages? Absolutely, my wife and I have two beautiful daughters, but we also had four miscarriages, and sometimes you need to have a DNC because, for whatever reason, the baby has passed away, but it can cause an infection on the inside of the uterus and we need to manage that. So we care for these moms.
Speaker 2:Later in pregnancy, are there reasons where we need to deliver the baby? Yes, women can develop preeclampsia. They can develop other conditions where the only cure is the delivery of the baby. That's the key word delivery of the baby. If a mom has severe preeclampsia at 24 weeks. The cure is delivery of the baby. Killing the baby does not cure the mom delivering. So are there reasons and situations and medical conditions where we need to deliver the baby? Yes, and then give that baby every opportunity to thrive and do well? In our neonatal intensive care units there was a baby at just 22 weeks and three days that survived and is doing great up at UAB recently. So reasons to deliver a baby yes, but does killing the baby in any way save the life of the mom? No.
Speaker 1:Right Really quickly. The situation in Georgia where the mother was brain dead kept on life support to keep the baby alive. I know that was what the family wanted. I'm not too well versed on the case, but I've that are pregnant will do everything they can to protect the life of their baby and I can't imagine a mom saying you know, if there's a way to keep my body functional to incubate my baby, until my baby can live outside my womb on their own, do whatever you can.
Speaker 2:I'm just curious if you can shed a little bit of light on that situation. Yeah, the young lady's name was Adriana Smith. Adriana was eight weeks pregnant. She already had a seven-year-old son and, for whatever medical reason, when she was eight weeks pregnant she had numerous clots that went to her brain one of the rare complications in pregnancy and she presented to the emergency room the baby at eight weeks, which is only about that big. The baby still had a heartbeat but unfortunately, when they did brain scans and EEGs they found that she was brain dead. But her body was still functioning well. So they kept her on a ventilator. So the baby was still getting oxygen. They kept her on nutrition, so she was still getting through what's called total parental nutrition. She was still getting proteins, she was still getting fats, she was still getting carbohydrates to keep the baby alive.
Speaker 2:That was at eight weeks and I thought that the news media would have said, wow, this is amazing. You know, mom is brain dead. Mom is the life support system for the baby and the doctors are keeping the mom healthy so that her body can continue to help grow the baby. But that wasn't the narrative at all. All of a sudden they were all saying well, this is abuse of a corpse and they're just having a corpse. Keep this baby alive. And the baby's only eight weeks old. Well, the doctors continued at Emory Hospital. They kept that baby alive by keeping the mother sustained with everything that she needed. The baby, recently delivered at more than 25 weeks gestation, weighed one pound 13 ounces, has about a 90 to a 95% chance of survival. So would mom be happy? Absolutely. I think mom would be thrilled that, even though she passed away, we were able to save the baby.
Speaker 2:Whenever we have a pregnant woman in my office, we actually have two patients and we want to have a healthy mom and we want to have a healthy baby. Sometimes, with an ectopic pregnancy or a miscarriage, we unfortunately can't save the life of the baby, but we will take care of the mom. In this condition it's just the other way around, where we had a mom and we had a baby. We had two patients. Sadly, mom was brain dead, but we still had a baby that was alive, and so, from eight weeks to 25 weeks gestation, they manage both of them so that that baby will probably do very well. The baby is progressing just like we would expect for a normal 25 week to develop. So pregnant you have two patients. If she has twins, we have three patients and I've delivered triplets and quads. When I have patients who have quadruplets and they're all actually they all are on full scholarship at the University of West Florida the quadruplets that I delivered. But when we have quadruplets we actually have five patients there on the inside. All patients have rights and we need to defend the rights and provide the highest quality care for all of our patients.
Speaker 2:And then one more, as long as we're talking about Georgia, you remember the case of Anna Nicole Thurman. Anna Nicole Thurman came up during the last election because she was about eight weeks pregnant. She was eight weeks pregnant with twins. Well, let's talk about how lies are always used by Satan. Georgia has a heartbeat law. Because Anna Nicole Thurman was pregnant with twins at eight weeks gestation both had heartbeats. She could not get an abortion in the state of Georgia because Georgia has laws that protect the lives of all patients the moms and the babies.
Speaker 2:Anna then went to North Carolina. She wanted to get a surgical abortion but there was lots of traffic and she got delayed and she didn't get to North Carolina in time for a surgical abortion. So they offered her the abortion pill. Eight weeks with twins. She took the abortion pill. She drove back to her home in Georgia and she followed up with the rest of the medications. The abortion clinic in North Carolina didn't even call her to say hey, how are you doing? Everything going OK.
Speaker 2:Seventy two hours later, after she returned home to Georgia, she was sick. She was having bleeding, she was having cramping, she felt feverish. She went to an emergency room. The emergency room evaluated her. They did an ultrasound. Neither baby had a heartbeat so the heartbeat law does not come into play because both babies had passed away.
Speaker 2:But they realized she was sick and she was septic and she needed to get seen by an OBGYN. They consulted the on-call OB who's got the whole information. He says put her on some antibiotics, I'll see her in the morning. He should have gone and seen the patient. You can't evaluate somebody over the phone. So he did not put her on some antibiotics. He didn't see her the next morning. He didn't see her until the next afternoon, 20 hours after she had arrived at the hospital.
Speaker 2:He finally took her to the OR to do a DNC to empty the uterus of the infected products of the conception and the delivery. He was so sick that they had to put her on medications to try to keep her blood pressure up. They realized that a DNC would not be enough she was sept sick, that they had to put her on medications to try to keep her blood pressure up. They realized that D and C would not be enough. She was septic and they actually needed to do a hysterectomy. They actually had her under anesthesia. They opened her up to do the hysterectomy and they found out not only was the infection throughout her uterus and her womb, but it spread to a bowel.
Speaker 2:Sadly, anna Nicole Thurman died on the operating room table to a bow. Sadly, anna Nicole Thurman died on the operating room table not because of a heartbeat law, but because of an incompetent physician who gave her the abortion pill. She wasn't followed up. She then developed sepsis. She was then sent to an emergency room and, by deviating from what would be the standard of care to go see your patient, evaluate your patient, rather than wait until the next afternoon, anna Nicole Thurman died from medical malpractice, not because of a heartbeat on Georgia. But you saw all the politicians from the left coming out and saying you know, georgia's heartbeat law killed Anna Nicole Thurman. No, anna Nicole Thurman, sadly, had been deceived and she took the abortion pill. Neither baby had a heartbeat. There was absolutely no reason to delay her care, whether that was a DNC or as other surgery for Anna Nicole Thurman. The heartbeat law saves lives. It had nothing to do with her death. It was medical malpractice that killed Anna Nicole Thurman. And yet they'll use that and they'll trump that around and they will lie.
Speaker 1:Even when they're corrected on what the truth of the story is, they will lie even when they're corrected on what the truth of the story is, they will still lie because they're influenced by Satan. Satan is the great liar and he's the great deceiver, absolutely. Well, I'm glad you brought that up because that that was a very hot topic issue last with the 2024 election, especially with all of those abortion constitutional amendments that we had going on around the country, and I'll just touch on this real quick and we'll wrap this up. But the reason I reached out to you I'd been meaning to for several months, but that Ohio bill, house Bill 370, ohio passed a constitutional amendment. They have a simple majority so in 2023, just barely passed, with slightly over 50%, to enshrine abortion into their state constitution.
Speaker 1:Ohio is a kind of a purpley red state, but now a couple of Republican legislators have introduced House Bill 370, which would essentially nullify that and create a patient protection act for unborn babies, beginning at fertilization. So that's it. That would be a huge win. I hear that there's. You know, not all the Republicans are on board with that, which hopefully that will change and we'll get this information out to the people of Ohio and hopefully, if you're in Ohio, you can hear, if you've heard, what we're saying today. This is a great way for you to get active and advocate for life in Ohio. But I don't know. I don't know if you've had a chance to look over that bill. I'm sure just you know, knowing what it's about, you're all on board with it.
Speaker 2:Well, ohio realized that they kind of dropped the ball when this constitutional amendment was coming through. Of course, the Constitution is always going to be the highest law of the land. So when you see a constitutional amendment, especially for abortion, like we were facing here in Florida, you've got to jump on it at the very onset. Amendment number four in Florida should never even have made it to the ballot. It should have been blocked when it got to the state Supreme Court. It to the ballot. It should have been blocked when it got to the state Supreme Court. So when even you start to hear the rumors of a constitutional amendment, you need to start defeating it early, because that's the real key. Yes, they're taking amazing steps legislatively, but it's going to be a challenge because the constitution is the highest law of the land. So we need to engage early and we need to engage with our pastors. I think one of the keys on us being successful in defeating Amendment no 4 is because we did actively involve our churches and our pastors. August 29th of last year we actually offered here in the Panhandle of Florida. We actually offered free tacos and a lecture on a constitutional amendment for pastors and people said that you know a lot of the big groups said if you can get eight, maybe 10 pastors to show up, even if you have free tacos, to discuss a constitutional amendment on abortion, consider yourself blessed. Well, we hit the road. We hit the road hard and we contact lots of pastors. We had over 70 pastors, priests and rabbis show up for free tacos and a lecture on what amendment four would actually mean. The very next Sunday you saw the big churches with their big digital marquees vote no on Amendment 4. You saw the smaller churches with dozens of signs vote no on Amendment 4. It almost became cool in this area to say vote no on Amendment 4 once they understood what it actually meant and the church engaged. For each pastor that we had at that event, they probably represented 500 different voters.
Speaker 2:When it came to election day, it was looking like the pro-abortion side was going to win. The panhandle of Florida once you get past Tallahassee, of course, is in central time zone, so we start voting an hour later, but we get to vote an hour later and we were just over the 60% needed mark when the ballots closed and the polls closed in the eastern side of Florida. But then came the panhandle 60% was the mark and they had gone beyond that 60%. The Escambia County where I work was the first county that came in under 50% and that's where we were very involved and that shifted the needle just a little bit. Santa Rosa County, where I live and where we were very involved in the different churches in this community, it came in as the lowest percentage county in the entire state of Florida at 39%, and that shifted that needle just to below 60%, down to closer to 59%.
Speaker 2:But we need to engage our pastors. And that's that needle just to below 60 percent, down to closer to 59 percent. But we need to engage our pastors. And that's how you multiply the messaging. And we had to even acknowledge, to inform the pastors, that this is a policy issue. This is not party and this is not candidate. You can, as that head pastor of your congregation, stand up from the pulpit and say vote no on Amendment number four. It will not jeopardize your 501c3 status I mean you should say the truth anyway but it will not violate your 501c, you know, tax exempt status. This is policy, not party and not a candidate.
Speaker 2:So even educating the pastors about that, equipping them, we made it real easy. We had a bunch of different radio stations and you could pick either a 15 second, a 30 second or a 60 second radio ad. You could pick your favorite station. We'd already pre-produced radio ads on amendment number four. We had TV ads where you could pick a 15 second, a 30 second or a 60 second ad and you could just go through just like a Chinese menu and say I want to do five ads, 30 seconds, at this radio station, I want to do 10 ads on this TV station on a TV ad. They'd write a check and we didn't take any money, we just had the stations play that. It was easy, it was accurate.
Speaker 2:And that's what we really need to do is equip them with something that is easy to do, something that then, when they're listening to their favorite country station and they hear a vote no in amendment number four ad, they can say yeah, y'all, I paid for that ad. I mean that's how we really get victory. We want to engage and let the people have purpose. But it really comes down to education. I mean we're blessed to live in a nation where we do have these freedoms and we can vote and we can assemble together and speak our minds. We need to defend those rights that were given to us by God, brought to us by our founding fathers. But our pastors when it comes to a spiritual battle, they need to be the tip of the spear, they need to be leading, and we just need to equip them with the tools where they can be victorious.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and I so appreciate that that you're doing that and your efforts and so strategically. And that was definitely, you know, a game changer for Florida's amendment floor for and fortunately my, my church was was I don't know if my pastor was one that attended there, but they had me speak and do a video on it and then they had me out in the foyer for the four weeks leading up to the election and talking to people about it. So I was really grateful that my church was on that and I'll keep doing everything I can to help with that effort in my county down here and everywhere else I can. But I so appreciate all your work, I appreciate your time today. Where's the best way for people to find all your content and all the resources that you and I have been talking about today?
Speaker 2:The easiest direct source is our website, which is prolifedocorg. We put all the videos up on YouTube as well and you can seek out Pro-Life Doc on YouTube and really the curriculum. I would really, if you really want to become better equipped, really consider, either as an individual or as a group, ordering the curriculum through the website and really have the tools that you can use to engage with the opposition and really take a stand for life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that and I think, as you and I have been talking, I've been thinking that I'm going to do some kind of like a group thing with the curriculum. So I'll probably roll that out maybe this fall and do an eight week course with some people some of our members and our audience with that, so that we can get that rolling. That sounds like it would be. I'm sure I would learn a lot from that and I know a lot of other people would as well. So thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule Again. Prolifeorg, you can find out where Bill is speaking. He's all over the country and I saw we have a big Washington audience. I saw that you're going to be in Moses Lake, washington, this fall. So for my friends in Washington, if you want to go see Bill in person, look at the website and he'll be in Moses Lake this fall.
Speaker 2:God bless you. It was an honor to be with you today.
Speaker 1:God bless you as well. Thank you. I hope that you learned a lot from our conversation today. Bill is such an amazing advocate and resource and has truly been a hero here in the state of Florida and far beyond, influencing policy and educating policy makers and pastors alike. I will have links to his website and some other resources in the description of this video.
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