What Happens When Independence Meets Chaos In Modern Dating Ft. Savanna - Ep.173

Special thanks to Savanna for being a part of this episode of Unattainable Podcast Show 

We unpack LA dating archetypes, the thin line between clout and coercion, and how bare-minimum chivalry can disguise deeper problems. Savannah shares how she rebuilt boundaries after a manipulative relationship, a Vegas investigation, and a fresh betrayal that sent her to small claims court.

• categories of LA guys and why trust breaks fast
• sex work tradeoffs, stigma, and dating limits
• choosing independence over financial control
• seeing patterns in partners and fixing selection
• the TikTok scammer story, threats, and tracking
• Vegas incident, detectives, and testifying
• sugar daddies, consent, risk, and discretion
• intimacy myths, skills over size, and boundaries
• money, trademarks, and reclaiming power

I will be suing him in small claims court because he does owe me money

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Transcript

Cold Open: Abuse And Religion Hypocrisy

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Dating in LA, there's definitely like certain categories. I feel like you have the sections of guys like all they want to flaunt is their money. In terms of dating, like every girl says, like, stay away from promoters. I have my fair share of opinions with men because even married men will go in there if some. I just want a man to be emotionally there for me. I will be suing him in small claims court because he does owe me money. He told me he was part of the Russian mafia in the cartel. Okay, this is fun. He's an LA trust fund kid, scammer, crypto, fraud guy, if you will. He's good at being manipulative and gaslighting, believing his own lies to the point like where other people can believe it. He threw water on me and he's like, you can't leave. He threatened me right in front of the girls. He waterboarded her, I think is the correct term. Yeah, he like shoved her head under the water.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Waterboarded her?

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

That's how we do the like terrorists and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

He goes to church with them. I was like, you think you're a man of God, but you do this to people? God is not gonna bless you if you're doing that to other people. Why he got in trouble for sex trafficking is because welcome to Unattainable.

Host Intros And Guest Setup

SPEAKER_01 1:09

Glad to have you with us. I'm your host, Zach Evans, here with my co-host Mohammed Moley. And today we got a special episode for you guys. Everybody, this is Savannah. Savannah, why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience, your name, what you do, and your star sign?

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Okay, my name is Savannah. What I do for work, I am a midnight ballerina. And um I uh my star sign and my Capricorn.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Capricorn. Interesting, interesting. I didn't expect that actually. You guys are uh very fun, but uh a little bit dangerous. Yeah, a little bit dangerous.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

It'll be a little dangerous, yeah.

Dating Archetypes In LA Nightlife

SPEAKER_01 1:49

All right, let's start off with um dating in LA can be people say it's the hardest place to date. Do you dealing with celebrities, fuckboys, sociopaths, fake people? What are you what's your experience dating in LA and what have you kind of learned from it? What are some of your more interesting takes on it?

SPEAKER_00 2:10

I would say dating in LA, there's definitely like certain categories. I feel like you have the sections of guys like all they want to flaunt is their money. Most of the time, the ones that flaunt it too hard are the ones that don't have it. There's another section of the sorry about promoters. I know I kind of glance at him and I was like, Oh, how does that relate to databall is a VIP host.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

Yes. I've never said those words once in my life. I don't know what promoters like trying to find a different way of saying promoter without saying it.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Not once I've ever said VIP host.

SPEAKER_00 2:50

Um okay, because in terms of dating, like every girl says, like, stay away from promoters. Because one, depending on how like you work and approach things, you're always around women and you're always around partying. So usually most promoters, at least how I've seen most, not all, they are getting fucked up and bringing a different girl home every time they go out, just because they they're a promoter, you know, so I feel like most of them are like, oh yeah, I could take a girl home every night if I want to. Like I have this connect, have this connect.

SPEAKER_03 3:26

Like, I'm the act like like living in LA, you're meeting like millions of promoters. I mean, this is like a fraction of population. Not even it's like 0.0001% of the population of LA might be promoters. Like, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 3:40

No, that was just a category, and then and then we have to like touch on it.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

But like 20 people have their own category? What about the other 10 million people?

SPEAKER_01 3:49

You're the 20 people that send like 80% of the messages. Hey, what you doing tonight? Hey, Zook, got a table, blah, blah, blah. Like, it's mostly you guys messaging everybody.

SPEAKER_03 4:01

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

But then also there's the DJs, the ones that are kind of like up there, maybe some that aren't. And those are the ones that I feel like are the worst. I have a few DJ friends, but all I see them is like literally on drugs every night. They do the afters till 7 a.m.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

They do it over the next day, and they just And they have the status of they're in the the DJ. All the girls want to go to the DJ booth. So it's like a promoter, plus they have the status. So like girls are even more into them.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

Yes, 100%. And I think that's like where they get their egos from. Not that they shouldn't have one, like some are super cool, but um, I think that's where they get that from. So they're kind of like kind of the same, where they're like, oh, like I'm gonna take this girl home, da-da-da-da-da. Like, I know one in particular that is at literally so many parties I see him at, and he is with a different girl. I mean, he's hot, but still it's like it's crazy. So that's why I just feel like there's so many trust issues in but that doesn't necessarily mean maybe they're single. I mean, what well, yeah. But if you if they are trying to get into a relationship and they are looking for someone, that's something to consider, which might work. I can't judge, and I'm not judging, but I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:16

So you say your your job is

Work, Stigma, And Relationship Tradeoffs

SPEAKER_02 5:18

what?

SPEAKER_00 5:18

I'm a stripper, and then I also do OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_03 5:21

Yeah, but what did you say the words were?

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Oh, Midnight Ballerina.

SPEAKER_03 5:24

Midnight ballerina. Okay. That's it. That's the VIP host uh equivalent of to make it sound like more classy and like yeah. So you do OnlyFans and stripping. Yeah. Got it. Okay, and so okay, that that I guess that makes sense why your circle of uh men is like all the party people, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:49

Essentially, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

I mean, I used to go out all the time, not so much anymore, but that is like who I always was around. I mean, at the strip club, it's more older clients.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

So I had my fair share of opinions with men because even married men will go in there, so okay, so but then one would argue that all these traits that you described a um as as as negative traits of of men could be sort of turned around and be used for you. No.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

Wait, reiterate that. Like, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_03 6:25

So if you're if you're saying that all these men, like you know, um partying, staying up until 7 a.m., doing drugs and drinking and going home with different person, like all those things would apply to somebody who's a stripper and has OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Yeah, 100%. I would say like I'm not like I said, not anyone to judge because of my line of work, but I can say I had my fair share of doing that, like drinking and doing drugs. Um, I usually only drink one or two cocktails when I go out now. I'm I'm completely like sober off of drugs. I don't stay up late and I just do my work and go home. But yeah, my line of work is like if I were to date a guy, he's gonna be like, Okay, like, are you, you know, doing other things with guys at the club? Um, you know, guys can see things differently as OnlyFans too, because you essentially have that platform and like anyone can subscribe and go see and see you vulnerable or naked, you know, whatever. So I know guys have a lot of opinions with that too.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

So right. So so then you it's very it's much less likely for you to get like a lawyer or a doctor or a judge to be willing to be in a relationship with you. So then you know the alternative would be some promoter who just wants to fuck and then not commit to anything.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

I mean, I for sure, yeah. There is very, very few guys that are okay with that stuff, which yeah, most likely it is not gonna be a surgeon or a doctor or a lawyer. So it is really hard for me to date. That's why I usually don't, um, and I don't like hooking up, so I pretty much just don't do anything because the guys that I have dated date for the wrong reasons.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

So, but also if if you're making money, because I'm sure you're making good money, do you care that a guy like is rich doctor, lawyer, or something like that? Or you're like, dude, if this guy is cool and has a six-pack, he could work at Chipotle. I don't care, you know what I mean? Like, do you not, or do you still want a guy who's like above your level financially?

SPEAKER_00 8:31

I would say I actually just ended a relationship and he, you know, was building towards his success and his goals and everything, but he wasn't making any money. And as long as he was like treating me good and we had open communication and he was like honest and a good boyfriend, I didn't care because I was there to like help him through whatever he needed, and that still bit me in the ass. But um yeah, I don't care about like their status or anything because I've never been someone that like wants someone else for their money, which I guess that's kind of like hypocritical for me to say of the line of work I'm in. But I'm not dating different. No, that is different, you know. I'm not dating to be a gold digger. Yeah, I'm getting other people's money, I guess, at work.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

But then that's a clear thing of like this is what I'm doing. It's an agreement in a sense, it's not just yeah, oh, I'm dating you, also kind of like I'm trying to get money out of you too, you know.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Yeah, 100%. So I don't even I can't even tell you last time I dated a guy with money. So um, I should probably pick better for sure. Um, but yeah, has nothing to do with money. I think it just has to do with the kind of person they are and like what they're working towards. Like, I don't want a guy like I don't want to have kids in four years and he's still I'm still paying the bills.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Or like whatever. So that definitely I need to put that into an account, but at least if they're like working towards something or their goals or whatever is different.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

But this is interesting because the lines of work that you do is as a result of you valuing money over, I suppose, other standards of m morality and ethics. So then what what's the reason for you to date someone and be with someone in a relationship who doesn't have money money? The the one thing that they value the most.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

I that's an interesting question, but I feel like I value it, how do I say that? Like I value it myself. Like I have always been independent in that way, and I've never had a well, sadly, I guess that is probably because I've never had a guy fully take care of me. So I search and go get my own money, and at the end of the day, that's not what I want from a man. I just want a man

Independence, Morals, And Money Debated

SPEAKER_00 10:55

to be emotionally there for me in that sense. Um, so I don't know, does that answer your question?

SPEAKER_03 11:03

It it answers the it answers what you know to answer. It doesn't particularly answer the question because I think it lacks uh a level of self-awareness on the end of why you do what you do. Right? Like I was I was having this conversation with my wife last night, which we were I was I was looking at her feet, and I was saying, You have such pretty feet, and you'll make a lot of money if you put your feet online, right? And this is obviously like it's like we're like joking, and we're just like having a conversation about like oh how much money she would make, blah, blah, blah. And then the conversation sort of turned into this thing of like who are the type of people that would spend a lot of money on feet picks, right? And like, how does that turn into a lot of money? And when that happens is when the client requests photos and videos of the the feet model or the foot model or whatever, uh, where then they see their faces, where they see their bodies, and them like doing certain things with their feet, right? Like that's where the fetish comes from. And I said, and that's where you no longer will have your anonymity, right? It's no longer a private thing if you were to just like put your feet picks online, like at some point, right, you would have to give more in order to make the big money, right? And um and I said, and and then we were just kind of like you know talking about these things, and the conversation went into us talking about how the people who um do things like OnlyFans do stripping, prostitution, um, you know, porn, and so on and so forth, they don't value the I guess I don't like the the societal um validation. Not the societal validation, but the societal norm of how how how how it's more conservative, for example, for somebody to not show um you know a lot of their body parts when they go out, for example. Or um, you know, if you if you talk to some to if you talk to a doctor, right, and you said, Hey, would you do porn for you know 10 times the amount of money that you have? They'll say no to you. But the reason of them saying no, perhaps is because of their own moral standards, right? And so at what point does a person lose the moral standards of or justifying it perhaps, or not caring about it as much, where then they say to themselves, okay, this money would make what I'm about to do okay. Right? Because at some point when you started stripping in the beginning of it, at least, right? It wasn't like your dream job. Um I mean, I'm assuming. Yeah, like you started stripping because you were like, okay, I need money fast, and this is the quickest way to make it. Yeah. Right? Because that's usually how things go. You know, anybody who goes into porn, it's like, hey, I couldn't do anything else, basically. So like the easiest way for me to make money was using my body in order to do so, right? And majority of the time, the person who does porn, they have to be some level of attractive in order for that to make sense. Like, you won't have like the ugliest person on the planet doing porn, like they're just like they won't get jobs, right? Because people who watch porn have some desire of seeing somebody who's attractive to a certain extent. Same thing, same thing goes you know, for modeling or anything else, only fans, whatever. So, but but most of those people like you know, one other thing that we were talking about was certain celebrities who ended up having OnlyFans accounts. And st and stuff, I mean, I don't do you know like uh big celebrities who did OnlyFans? There's like some rappers and you know, some people that did OnlyFans, yeah. And but the reason why they did that was because I mean obviously they already had money, they were big names that already had money. Why would they do OnlyFans all of a sudden? Is because they just didn't care about the social norms, and then they cared about that extra amount of money that was gonna go into their pocket. But essentially, the the the gist of it was the money aspect. So if you made money off of it, then great. If you didn't make money off of it, nobody would be doing porn or stripping or you know, selling their bodies or processing, you know, whatever. Because if money wasn't involved, you wouldn't be doing it. Right. So which is so then when I, you know, when I hear you say I'm dating the person for the emotional validation and not the financial security, it just seems like at some point you have valued your independence over the reliance on the financial security through somebody else. Right? So the guy no longer has you don't want the guy to have control. You want to be in control yourself because that seems to be more of a secure way of you living your life than allowing somebody else to control your life.

SPEAKER_00 16:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:09

Right.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

For sure.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

And so I guess the question is where does that where does that come from?

SPEAKER_00 16:14

I see what you're

Trauma, Boundaries, And Casual Hookups

SPEAKER_00 16:15

saying. I would just say I think like all the trauma I've endured, even like in childhood and everything, and not having um probably never having a healthy relationship. And I kind of I guess like in a sense it's just like me kind of like giving up on that, and I'm like, okay, well, I have never had luck with it, I guess. So um that's kind of when I started doing like sex work basically. And I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna do what I want to do, which like you said, it's not necessarily something I wanted to do. I'm very confident and I enjoy showing off my body. Um so I'm like, well, I don't want a nine to five. I don't know what I want to go to school for yet. Um if I even want to go to school. So I'm just gonna do this. And if a guy wants to come along my way and go ahead and like date or have a future, then that's fine. But I think I've accepted the fact that if I don't find that, then that's okay. Because um of all of the shitty, terrible relationships that I've been through to where I think like I'm literally uh traumatized enough to like not want that. So I think that's where my like overly independent comes from of like I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, and like let me know if you want to be with me, but otherwise, like bye type of thing.

SPEAKER_03 17:42

Since you are in sex work, what is it that makes you uncomfortable with casual hookups?

SPEAKER_00 17:50

What makes me uncomfortable with casual hookups?

SPEAKER_03 17:52

Because you said you don't really have casual hookups, which m makes me think that you're it doesn't make you happy.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Yeah. Um, well, I would say I know a lot of girls on OnlyFans usually do boy girl content. I do not unless it is with my boyfriend. So I could say that I strictly don't do that. Um and then with stripping, that's where the male gaze, you get naked, whatever. Um but yeah, I just I don't get excitement or like thrill off of casual hookups. I used to and I used to just like do it, whatever, but then I realize it's also draining me even more because I'm like looking for like that validation in the bedroom essentially, like when I'm having casual hookups. So I'm like, well, what's the point of that either? So yeah, I strictly don't do boy girl content only fans.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

What is what did you say your relationship status

Fresh Betrayal And Small Claims Plan

SPEAKER_03 18:48

is?

SPEAKER_00 18:48

I am single as of today. I just found out this morning I got cheated on.

SPEAKER_03 18:52

So uh huh. How did that happen?

SPEAKER_00 18:55

So it was an ex of mine from like two years ago, and we rekindled recently as of maybe uh last month or so, and we were working on things again. He actually asked me to be his girlfriend on his birthday back on the 9th, I think, of November. And I'm pretty chill, like because of the line I work, I do. I ask, you know, my partner just be honest with me and like what he wants or what he wants to do. And he will go out with his boy sometimes. He was at the strip club, and I was out at the bar that night with like one of my friends, like literally just getting one drink. And basically, I'm I can be a little crazy as in like I need you to be honest. So if you're not being honest, then I'm gonna get pissed off because that's the only thing that I ask. So I noticed he had followed a girl, I kept my eye on her, and us girls being the detectives and FBIs that we are. I started watching her stories, and basically he told me like a couple days after he spent the night at my house, woke up, and he's like, Oh, I'm gonna go on a hike with my. Helmies. I don't know if you guys have ever been a hike with your guy friends, like as guys. Like, is that like a boys' thing? Like, I don't even know. I'm like, that sounds weird. And like, I end up stalking her story. She's on the hike, and I'm like, huh, my intuition's right. He ends up telling me, like, no, it's just the boys. Like, that's my cousin's like homegirl. Okay. Why weren't I? Why wasn't I invited into the hike? Like, you think I like can't hike or what? And then one thing after another, he manipulated me into thinking that nothing happened. And I'm like, okay, whatever. I was focused on work. I'm like, okay, we'll see how this goes. And then one thing after another, um I had an instance again last week where he actually just got a quote unquote spot on Melrose here. Um, because he has screen printing. So one of the shops, huh?

SPEAKER_03 20:54

He has what?

SPEAKER_00 20:55

Screen printing. So like he has like one of those big machines that like prints like on shirts and stuff. Basically, he got a spot out here because he has a clothing brand named Sex Cells. And we were gonna go halves on that. I've given him money to invest in it. Um, so he was like, Oh, I'm gonna like go big on Melrose, da da da da da. And she's like there one day with him, and I blow him up and he's trying to gaslight me again.

SPEAKER_03 21:21

And I'm like, Well, how did you find out she was there?

SPEAKER_00 21:23

Her story again.

SPEAKER_03 21:24

Got it.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

So at this point, she has me blocked though, and I'm like, oh, she knows. She knows, and she's okay with it. So how I found out how he met her was because he was at the strip club that night, a strip club in Santa Fe Springs. And he followed her that day. And I was like, Oh, okay. So I noticed as he was going there every time, he said he was with his homie. I'm like, no, you are not. You're going there every night she works. Like the nights that she works, you're going. So I'm looking on her account. Actually, I have one of my friends look because I had a gut feeling again. I was like, no, check. And she's in his car because I see his backpack on the floor of his car. I noticed that, and it says Melrose. And I'm like, you're fucking kidding me. And she has a bottle of um Casamigos. It's like 1 p.m. on a Tuesday. I'm like, wow, you guys really sued each other. And um blew up on him. I'm canceling myself now. If anyone comments, yes, I stayed. Please don't. I already know. And then one thing after another, he's like trying to repair our relationship, whatever. He's been bad at communicating this past week. Like everything's just been rocky. I'm like, you know what? He's trying to get his shit together. I'm gonna work on me, I'm gonna work. He can decide what he wants to do because I'm also doing my own thing. And um, I made it very clear. If you want to open a relationship, let me know. No, no, no, like I don't even have time to like do that. Like, I'm on a strict program, like da-da-da-da-da. Strict program of being broke, but um, and using me for my money. Um, but I had a gut feeling. So I wake up this morning at 8 a.m. and I'm like, I grab out my iPad, okay? I made a brand new account because when someone bans you now, not bans, sorry, blocks you now on Instagram, you can't like log into a new account on that device like that you make. So I get my iPad and make a whole new account, and I look at her story, and it's her at the club last night, and she's like, nights at the club, like with my man or fun, and I see the pants I bought him, the hoodie I bought him, and he's slapping her ass. And I'm like, there is no way right now. So I end up blowing him up and getting a little crazy for a second. I was like, this isn't gonna do anything. I end up DMing her and she's like, Yeah, girl, like I know what it's been, and like I know what it is. Like, I don't know what to tell you, but like he's been with me every day. And I'm like, Oh, so you don't care? She's like, Well, I don't know like what you think it is, but he's definitely my man. And I'm like, Oh shit, huh? I was like, Well, clearly not, um, because I don't know what he's been lying to you about, but he's definitely been our man for at least a few weeks. Um, and then she was like, Well, don't worry, like, he's not gonna hit you up anymore. I was like, Well, I hope so. I hope, but now um I will be suing him in small claims court because he does owe me money that I have over text, so good luck to him. So

Why She Chose Him: Bare Minimum Chivalry

SPEAKER_00 24:30

no one buys sex cells, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

Wow, very loaded. Okay, yeah. So you guys were in a relationship before you said.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

How long ago was that?

SPEAKER_00 24:43

I would say like around two years ago, and it was kind of like the same thing. Like he was still trying to get his shit together.

SPEAKER_03 24:49

How long did you guys date for?

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Um we were on and off kind of back then too, but honestly, not long, like probably six months.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:58

Like of actual dating.

SPEAKER_03 25:00

What is it that draws you to this person?

SPEAKER_00 25:03

I think what drew me, because one, like I said, like I'm not looking for money from a person, and nor did he have any. Um, I was just looking for a good guy, and he was checking all those boxes.

SPEAKER_03 25:17

What made them good?

SPEAKER_00 25:19

I would say, like, especially even in the beginning of relationship of rekindling this pastime, like he really took me like by surprise because even though it is the bare minimum, it is not common anymore for like a guy to like never let you open the door, always get the door for you. He was calling me like pretty much any time he got during the day, and he's like, Did you eat? How was your day? Tell me about it. Like, how are you? Like, do you feel okay? Um, he was always making sure like I got my coffee or like little things like my favorite snack or things like that. And like sadly, that isn't common anymore. So, um, me thinking that's like a needle in the haystack, I was like, Wow, I have a winner here, and he's like, I'm sticking by him while he figures his stuff out, and I'm lucky enough to have a guy that is okay with my line of work, and we have that open communication and can still be together.

SPEAKER_03 26:14

So the bare minimum is what you don't get on a regular basis, so therefore you saw value in that, right? And you felt like this is something that I feel like chivalry is literally that is special for you, sure.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:27

And then and also somebody who's okay with you doing what you do. Now, if he had said that he wanted to be in an open relationship, would you have then stayed in that relationship, or would you have said okay?

SPEAKER_00 26:39

I think so. It's certainly a conversation to be had because I've never had one. But um I've also never really been in a relationship where I'm doing this line of work because he's always been someone that was okay with it, and I think that has a lot to do with his clothing brand and like how he's um open-minded about the sex world and like sex work and everything, and like he's very I don't know, he's open-minded, so he's okay with that stuff. So that's why when we rekindled, I still did it, and he was like, Yeah, make your money, make your money. He didn't have a problem with it, but yeah, I've never been in a relationship where I kept doing it because I have respect for that person. So that's why I didn't stop doing this work. Um, because he said it was okay and he

Open Relationships And Sex-Work Compatibility

SPEAKER_00 27:27

fully supported me.

SPEAKER_03 27:28

So I mean it doesn't sound like that he had an issue with what you do because he just went around and started seeing somebody else who does this exact same thing.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:38

So I guess your line of work is not issue an issue. I mean, I wonder what it is. Like if we talk to him, what would he say is the reason why he didn't want to do like actually didn't want to have an open relationship? Why he why do you think is the reason why he said no to the open relationship?

SPEAKER_00 27:56

I think maybe he thinks that I wouldn't be okay with it because of how I could act when he he calls me crazy and says I'm acting crazy when I catch him in lies, like the whole hike thing or me going off on him today about the strip club. He literally told me this morning, he was like, Well, you do what you do for work, I can't go out with the homies. I was like, I never had a problem with you going to strip club. Like when he went that night two weeks ago, I had no problem with it. Um, but I was just like, You're so focused on your work, I don't think you should be going to strip club. Like, you don't even have money to spend there. So I think he thought in hindsight I wouldn't be okay with it because of how I act, but that's because I hate liars and I hate people that just can't be honest. Sure. So I truly think, yeah, he he was honestly probably like scared because I know he was getting what he needed from me, which I have given him a lot of money and I shouldn't have. But I think he was loving that and he was on a high with it. That I don't think this girl is, or this girl may not be in wrapped into his bullshit yet, but I think he was loving, like, oh, I can have this girl, you know, she takes care of me and she's like nurturing and she's she understands like what I want in life and like my future, and she's helping me get there, but I also like want my cake and to eat it too. That's what I think. And he thinks that I wouldn't be okay with the open relationship.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

And do you think that you giving him money was a way to buy his affection?

SPEAKER_00 29:29

No, I don't think so. Um maybe in hindsight, I guess maybe, but if that was the case, I feel like I could have done that with every guy I've dated, and I haven't. So I think for him, maybe he's been there for me through like a really tough time. Like I got pregnant with his child, and that's the only person that I've gotten pregnant with, so I think that's a huge bond that you can create with someone, whether you keep the child or not. So I think it just came from like just like a place of love and him needing someone uh for someone to like be there for him.

SPEAKER_03 30:14

So have you ever had a relationship longer than six months?

SPEAKER_00 30:18

No.

SPEAKER_03 30:19

You have not? No. Okay, yeah. And how old are you again?

SPEAKER_00 30:22

I am 20. I'm about to be 29.

SPEAKER_03 30:25

Okay. So what's the reason that you think that you've never had a longer than six months relationship?

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Canceling myself again, I will say it's for sure has to do a lot with me and who I'm choosing.

SPEAKER_03 30:37

Uh-huh. So so so there's a pattern of you choosing the same type of men.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

100%, yeah. Like essentially like realizing that I'm like looking back and like I subconsciously pick the guys that are emotionally unavailable or like have issues or like they're somewhat toxic. Um, because I probably deep down like no it's not gonna work because maybe I'm emotionally unavailable.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

So what's the most toxic relationship you've been in?

SPEAKER_00 31:07

I would say the most toxic is the one before

Pattern Recognition: Picking The Wrong Men

SPEAKER_00 31:10

this one, which I actually just that ended in June really shortly, I guess before this one, honestly. This one started before that one, but or I mean sorry, after that one. But um that one was definitely the most toxic. Um he was younger, which I should have known, but it started off like trying to be like a you know, like a casual fling or whatever. I wasn't looking for anything serious, and then one thing after another we just like kind of started dating, and I thought he had like his head on straight for being young. I was like, oh, like he has like you know, life going for him, da-da-da-da-da. And then like I soon found out that that was not the case. But this man is psychotic, he actually lives out here, but um and I always get scared of running to him at the club because he's actually only 20 years old and he's still at the club out here, but um, he told me he was a part of the Russian mafia in the cartel and loved to use that against his friends and his girlfriends and any like girls that he had in his life. He's like, Yeah, well, I hope you know like my parents and like my family is a part of the Russian mafia, and he said he was part Russian and Armenian. No, he looked Mexican, he was Mexican, and um just always use that as an excuse of like you can't break up with me because like I'm gonna part you alive and send you to Mexico and all of this depth. He really holy shit No, he is the mass manipulator. Um he is actually, I'll say it very briefly because I probably shouldn't even say this, but I don't care. But he is going to be going to court in December, January, hopefully to be locked up for um sex trafficking at 20.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

So crazy.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

Where do you find

The 20-Year-Old Scammer: Control And Threats

SPEAKER_01 33:06

these guys?

SPEAKER_00 33:06

I where I found him off TikTok and I shouldn't. I I need to stay off social media. Um, dating apps in social media, I will no longer find men on there because you just never know where they come from or what they're capable of. I swear.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Even like the first guy, I'm like a little confused because it's like I guess I don't know this world that much because I don't really go to strip clubs. I mean, maybe once in a while when it's like, oh, it's like 4 a.m. Let's go to this, you know, whatever. But like he goes to strip clubs, but he doesn't have money, and then also he goes to this other strip club, you know, where this other girl's at. Like, what is this type of guy who just like goes to strip clubs all the time? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 33:48

Yeah. I think for him specifically, it's like he has this brand called Sex Sells, and he's like, he's like, this is like who's gonna be wearing my clothing.

SPEAKER_01 33:58

Oh, so he's like, it's a busy, but then really he's trying to hook up. That's what he's telling you.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

Exactly. That's not the real reason.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

Yeah. So I mean, every girl he's dated has been a stripper. So obviously, yeah. Yes, I obviously knew why he was okay with me doing my work, but yeah, for him, it's like he's supposed to be releasing bikinis and everything, and I was going to help him because I know a lot of sex workers and OnlyFans girls, and that's what he says, is like, oh, I'm only going to the strip club to work. Like, he's like, I turn my back, like, and I I work in the corner. I'm like, you're saying you're saying you don't look at any ass in there. You are bullshit. Jesus, yeah. He's like, I'm not looking, I swear. That's hilarious. He has like glasses on, like in the back corner. He's like, I'm just working on my phone, babe. I'm like, uh-huh. He's like reading the Bible in the back. Yeah. I'm like, no, you ain't.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

So okay, so that so the TikToker who's 20 years old, how long ago was this?

SPEAKER_00 34:56

This ended in June.

SPEAKER_03 34:57

Okay, so so he ended in June. How long did you guys date for?

SPEAKER_00 35:01

F four months.

SPEAKER_03 35:02

Four months. Okay. And he was 19 at the time, or he was 20 still?

SPEAKER_00 35:06

Um, I was under the impression he was 19, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:09

Okay. Okay. And you found him off TikTok? Yeah. Okay. Like he DM'd you or you DM'd him?

SPEAKER_00 35:15

I originally DM'd him. Um what? Okay, hold on. Because he he portrays like those videos, like those lifestyle videos of like the nice cars and like, you know, like trust fund kids in LA, like those types of videos.

SPEAKER_05 35:29

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

Not that I was gonna mooch off him because I can tell you I got not one penny from that man. Maybe his parents' money, I don't know. Um, but they live in Section 8 housing. So I I don't know if it was their uh their uh business keeps getting worse. Yeah, uh food stamps. I don't know. Um, but uh I was like, okay, like he he has something going for him. So I was like, that's attractive.

SPEAKER_05 35:55

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

And like meeting on someone on the same level as me, like, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 35:59

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

Um, yeah, I know. I don't have my shit together other than like making money, but I'm working on it. Uh picking better men. Um, but I DM'd him, and it's because he kind of has, and I'm treading lightly with the situation because I actually am on TikTok for dating him. Um, because he is like hated on TikTok because of what he's done, but he used to manage Brianna Olsen. The OnlyFans Girl, have you guys heard of her?

SPEAKER_01 36:27

I haven't no.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

She's like, I think her handle now is like mommy, uh, mommy, mommy Brie or uh something like that. Whatever. Okay. Yeah, anyways. Um, she's big in the OnlyFans world. Um, he kind of was like known for like managing her and was like part of this like content house with a bunch of other 20-year-old dudes and her and her friends, like whatever. And like he was like with them when they started the MILF house, which I feel like you guys might have heard of that. MILF house MILF House, yeah. So she was a part of that too, because she has a kid. So he was apparently part of that, whatever. So he goes like a little viral or like popular because he was her manager at the time, and then all this stuff starts happening, I guess, because he scammed them while he was there, all this stuff.

SPEAKER_05 37:10

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

So he's already known. So I was like, oh, like this like TikTok stuff is funny because he was like coming after them or like posting stuff about her. Uh-huh. Um, about her being a bad mom, and I was just laughing about it, and then we start talking.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

So you saw all this before, dude. Uh-huh. Exactly. You're like, this is the one out of all the guys on the internet.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

So like, what do you what do you text? What do you what do you message? What's the opening, like sliding and saying what?

SPEAKER_00 37:37

I think I just said like this TikTok stuff is funny, like, the thing you're hot.

SPEAKER_03 37:44

Okay, so that's the real reason. He was just hot. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 37:48

Looking back at it, no. I don't even want to show you guys a photo because I'm like, you're gonna be like, this man looks 17 years old.

SPEAKER_03 37:55

So no, she said hot to make him feel hot, but the reality of it is she hit him up because of his money. And so, I mean, that's just the bottom line. There's no other reason why you hit him up. Um, which is which is contradictory to what you said in the beginning of this podcast, but but we'll get there. Okay, so so you hit up this fucking 19-year-old kid on TikTok hitting on him in the hopes that he was gonna return the favor, obviously. And then, and then, and then okay, and then what happens?

SPEAKER_00 38:24

Um, we just start chatting, and then he was just telling me about the drama. Um, yeah, he posted nice cars, he posted private jet. I was like, Yeah, I'm gonna go on a private jet. I wanna be in nice cars. Um, so one thing after another, and then I think we hung out two weeks later, and the kicker is that once we hung out two weeks later, he just like refused to leave my house. So uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

So you guys hang out, he fucks you, and then he says, I'm not gonna leave.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Yeah, he's like, actually, I'm staying. And I wake up the next morning, he's like, Starbucks ready for me, my whole house is clean, he did the dishes. I was like, wow. So like I domesticated him pretty fast.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So you're thinking this is great. Wow, amazing.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

Yeah, but he was so much younger than me. And like, yes, I date young. Every one of my friends, everyone that knows me knows this, but never that young. And like it made me uncomfortable. I was just like, okay, this is fun. He's an LA trust fund kid, scammer, crypto, fraud guy, if you will. And we could have fun. We could have some fun, and he probably can help me like network. Like, maybe he knows people out here. That was my initial thought. And then he just never left

OnlyFans Management To Trafficking Case

SPEAKER_00 39:32

my house. And I'm like, huh, I wonder why he's not leaving when he has this mansion in LA.

SPEAKER_03 39:36

So you're thinking I'm gonna use him, but then in return, you're getting used me.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

That's happened.

SPEAKER_03 39:45

He pulls out the the the final Uno card.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

Yeah, Uno reverse.

SPEAKER_03 39:49

Uh huh. Okay, so so he stays and then and then he keeps telling you, he keeps threatening you that he's uh He is he's he's a part of Russian Russian mafia, whatever the fuck. And and then how do you find out that he's actually Mexican?

SPEAKER_00 40:09

Well, so giving myself some sort of defense.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

There is a defense? Well, yeah. Okay. A little bit at least.

SPEAKER_00 40:17

Um he's not part of any of that, but I will say he's he's good at being manipulative and gaslighting, believing his own lies to the point like where other people can believe it. Like, of course, we've met the town. Yeah, we've met the town. Yeah. That's common for LA, but all of his LA friends that are actual crypto guys are thinking that he's just this sick ass dude with money. And I'm like, no. So basically, um, he was really good at what he does. Like, he did tap my phone, like I'd be out with my friends, I'd get a text, and he'd be like, Oh, like, what's that about? And I'm like, dude, what? But he never knew my password to my iCod or anything. He didn't have it in his phone. So I don't know how he did that. That was good. Um, he had some sort of tracker or something on my car because at one point I did get a new phone and change my phone number after we broke up, and he tried getting in contact with me again. And uh he was like, Oh, have fun at Pilates, and I'm like, at Pilates in Newport. He sends me the address, and I was like, There's no way this is happening right now. And I just like book it out of there. I was like, There's no way. So don't know how he got a tracker or whatever it was. I got this. No, I got those things on Amazon that like dee dee dee dee dee. And there wasn't anything. So it was kind of beeping at my purse though, and I'm like ripping through the purse. I was like, I'm just gonna rip through this shit. Like maybe it could be inside of the material. I was like, I can't find it, I threw it away. Um I was like, I'm not dealing with this.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

Threw what away the purse?

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Yeah, I threw away the purse. I was like, I I'm not. Um so he was very like psycho like that.

SPEAKER_03 41:55

And I how do you know he doesn't have your location now?

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Well, I'd like to see him try. Now I'm I ain't gonna be a good one. But he hasn't he hasn't hit you up. No, yeah, we haven't talked in like two months. So that's where the whole court thing comes into play, though. He has a no contact order against me.

SPEAKER_03 42:11

So oh, you got a restraining order against kind of.

SPEAKER_00 42:15

It hasn't been served, but the detectives gave me one. That's how that's how deep it gets. Uh-huh. Like detectives were.

SPEAKER_03 42:22

Wait, okay, so start the beginning of that story. Like we do.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

So basically, why he got in trouble for sex trafficking is because we basically thought it was a good idea to start OnlyFans Management because he was also known for that. Because like the girl Brie, he was managing, okay? So he was known to be an OnlyFans manager and that was real.

SPEAKER_01 42:41

That was he had to be.

SPEAKER_00 42:43

I guess, yeah. He definitely managed Brie and her friend Vale for a bit. I don't know how real it was, like if he was really making them money or he was just taking their accounts, because later on I found out he scammed a bunch of girls on their OF for money. Like you changed the bank account and make an excuse of why he has to, and he did that with mine.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

So he took all my money from my OnlyFans, but basically So So how did it start that he got that he got arrested for sex trafficking?

SPEAKER_00 43:11

So we start this OnlyFans management, and basically one of the girls that we are managing is his ex-girlfriend from when he was younger, and another girl is one that found him again off TikTok. And she just turned 18. She's like, Hey, I want to do OnlyFans. So he starts managing two, and like obviously more, but these two in particular, he like calls up and he's like, Hey, do you want to meet make money elsewhere or like other ways? And like, how would you feel about coming down to LA and like working da-da-da-da-da? As in going on dates for money, as what you would say is an escort is, but you know, he um I wanna say implied to one of them that they would be doing more than just dinners, and I believe one of the other ones he didn't really like specify that she'd have to be doing more. So he buys the eight the freshly 18-year-old's flight to LA and with her own OnlyFans money, okay. That doesn't make sense. He's like, Yeah, actually I'm broke, like, I need to use your money to fly you down here so you can make more money. I could take it. So he was like real life trying to pimp. Um, he knew that uh fuck, do I want to keep this in? Um he yeah, fine, it's fine. Um he he knew that I used to have sugar daddies and do that line of work. So he basically is like, oh hey, I have you wrapped around my finger. So by the way, you also have to do this, otherwise, like I'm gonna kill your fucking family tomorrow. And I'm like, am I I need to be in a Netflix documentary because this is like insane. This is not normal. Um and he was just very threatening and very scary, like very, like, very abusive. Like I have like a photo of like bruises on my legs and like him flinching knives at me. Like it was very much like a Stockholm syndrome type of situation, like where like the victim is like falling in love or is in

Vegas Sting, Arrests, And Testimony

SPEAKER_00 45:08

love under the spell of the the abuser, is what they say, which is very much true because I feel like that's how it is a lot, even with girls in sex work that have pimps, like they're like scared to get out of it, but like the pimp makes the girl think like, oh no, I'm taking care of you, like I care about you, which is not the situation. Let me preface that. But I'm saying, like, girls in an abusive relationship, it's the same thing. Like, oh, he loves me, but like his anger problems are you know, he's just going through a lot. Like, no. But yep, that was me, unfortunately. Um, getting told what to do by a 20-year-old. So, you know, you live and you learn, but do you I do now? Okay, yeah, I do now, okay. I swear, but continue. Um, he basically brings them down, they start working. He is very smart, and when I tell you, like I couldn't talk to my friends without him knowing or my family, he I never had access to my phone. He knew my passwords to everything. Um, he get he gave me credit card fraud, like everything. So he was taking my phone and doing a lot of stuff on my phone. And he was smart about it because he was making me do a lot of it in case probably if we were to get caught, it would look like I was the madam, like the the woman that's in charge of the other girls, and like, hey, go here, go here. And I'm sitting there texting the guys and setting up the meets for the girls. Um, I can openly talk about this now because everything's cleared on my end. Um, and this was like public information because I got charges too, and everyone was roasting me on TikTok because I dated him and everyone was like hating on me. Like they're like, you're a piece of shit for like dating him and like sex trafficking these girls. I was like, dude, if only people knew, like I would never do that to a girl. Like one of the girls, the 18-year-old, she was staying with me at my house with him, and um, I will say it was something that she wanted to do. It was fully voluntary, voluntary. Um, she had an option to fly back home. She didn't want to, she loved making money, whatever, but I wanted to make sure she was safe if she wanted to do that. And I saw my ex, my 20-year-old boyfriend at the time, get abusive with her, and I didn't like it. And so when he made us go, he made us go to Vegas and he was like, You can make so much money out there, da-da-da-da-da. I broke up with him that night before because I saw him cheating on his phone and he didn't give me an option to leave. He threw my phone at my face, he threw water on me, and he's like, You can't leave. He threatened me right in front of the girls because they stayed the night before we went to Vegas. And he's like, You're forced to come, you're working for me, and like you're not gonna get a dime of it. And I was just basically being held against my will because it's a difficult situation unless you it's hard to understand unless you're in it. Abusive relationships, you're afraid to leave because you're afraid that they're literally going to do something, and they do do something. Like he's done stuff to me multiple times, so I was afraid to leave because I knew what he was capable of, and I didn't think I could get out of it because uh the soon I this the second I tell someone, who knows what could have happened. Like he could, you know, he's not part of that stuff, but he could show up with you know, a friend or something and do whatever. I don't know. I've seen text on his phone between him and someone like plotting to hurt me and all these like weird things. I was like, this is interesting, but that you care that much to like ruin somebody or like hurt somebody.

SPEAKER_02 48:43

But how did you get a hold of his phone?

SPEAKER_00 48:46

When he was sleeping, and the nights that he would get drunk by himself, he was just like passed out drunk, and luckily, like I'm pretty good at like looking at the side of my eye and finding out his password, and I just like went through his phone, and then one time I hacked into his IG and found out he was cheating that night. Um, so uh yeah, and then he forced us all to go to Vegas and he's like, Oh, set up meets, da-da-da-da-da. So that night one of the girls like gets caught by security, like at the down down uh downstairs casino of like the lobby of the hotel, and she's just like, I'm being threatened by this guy, and he's like forcing me to do work I don't want to do, and he's upstairs, she's like, I think I'm being sex trafficked. So that's when it starts. And I get wrapped up into it because they take her phone, the other girl's phone, and they're looking through it, and of course, my name's on there. It looks like I'm setting up the dates and everything, which yeah, I I was because I was being forced to do it a lot of the times. And um he would take my phone's phone a lot of times and like text text the girls like in the group chat, making it look like it was me. It was disgusting. But um, one thing after another, we get questioned everything and detained in this hotel in Vegas. And I was like, there's no way. So the detectives come in and they interview the two girls, then me, then him. So I'm the third to the last, and they're like, we already looked through their phones, like just tell us what it is. So I told them, and I was honest. And basically, he has certain tattoos on his body that say he's affiliated and part of the mafia and the cartel. So I tell them about that, and I was like, you know, this is why all this stuff's believable. Like he got an answer for everything of why this, why that, and they take photos of his tattoos and everything, and he's just trying to cover himself up, whatever. So we both get arrested. We get bailed out the same day.

SPEAKER_03 50:44

By who?

SPEAKER_00 50:47

Who we get bailed out by?

SPEAKER_03 50:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

I believe his grandma bailed him out. Um, and then my mom bailed me out. And okay, continue. Um his charges were more than mine. Mine were still pretty bad. And um basically one thing after another, I get an attorney, I tell the attorney everything. I was like, I need your help because this looks so bad, but this is something I would never ever do. Like, you think I've been doing this for years? I would have already done that without a guy's help if I wanted to be a I don't even know what they call it, a madam, a house mom.

SPEAKER_03 51:23

Madam, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:23

Yeah.

Safety Now And Avoiding The Scene

SPEAKER_00 51:24

And I would have already done that like by myself because I know what I'm doing, but I don't want to be affiliated with that. That's pimping and pandering. I'm not doing that. Um, and I do that on my, you know, I had done that on my own. I don't care about that. So um the attorney was luckily also that was a bonus too, where my attorney is um good friends or like knows the prosecutor on her case. So um they brought me in for a statement, and um, luckily the girls like were there to experience the abuse that he gave me, and they knew that I always had their backs that their statement matched with mine. And the, you know, they told the detectives like she would never do this, like she was forced to do a lot of things, and like we saw it. So I was lucky enough, you know, for that to happen. Anyways, moral story is um I got all of that cleared up and I testified against him.

SPEAKER_03 52:23

So is she is he out now? He is out, so that's why If he's out and about, and you have a restraining order against them.

SPEAKER_00 52:32

Yeah, but is a no contact order the same as a restraining order? Because restraining Who filed that? The court, the actual court and like the between you guys prosecutor itself, yeah. Got it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:44

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_00 52:45

Yeah, so I haven't been able to get a restraining order because I don't know where he lives, because he's smart enough to bounce around because he actually has another restraining order against him from another girl. So I've been hesitant to go out to LA because he still goes out out here because he knows so many people, and these these people think that he's like this like great guy and they believe his lies. So I usually just stay away from the scene now just until this is over, because he doesn't.

SPEAKER_03 53:14

So is the reason why the two girls went downstairs and said that we're being sex trafficked because they weren't they didn't know what was going on, or was it because he had gotten abusive with them and they just had enough?

SPEAKER_00 53:29

Yeah, he got

Nightlife Stories: Clout, Rappers, And Parties

SPEAKER_00 53:30

abusive with one of them and doing what? He waterboarded her, I think is the correct term. Yeah, he like shoved her head under the wall.

SPEAKER_01 53:38

Waterboarded her? Yeah. That's like we do like terrorists and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 53:42

Yeah. That's crazy. He spit on her, he did that to me multiple times, but um she doesn't know him, and she's like, I just met you and like you're doing this stuff to me. He was just very like um controlling even to her. And like I found out after the fact, she reached out to me and she was just like, I was so afraid to tell you because I knew he would find out, but like I had gone to work the couple days that she was there, and he did stuff to her that she didn't want to, and I just felt so bad because I'm like, this is happening in my home, and like I feel like her bigger sister, and I feel like I should have done something to help her, but I was I was afraid too.

SPEAKER_03 54:24

And like you mean he was like raping her?

SPEAKER_00 54:26

Yeah, yeah. So she let the detectives and the prosecutor know that as well. Um, because she was afraid of him. So basically, they were the two girls were down there that night because I think that they were getting drinks and stuff, and they had gone to dinner with each other. I was in bed, I think it was like maybe 10 or 11, and um I don't know where he was. He was like nowhere to be found. He was like trying to hang out with them or something, and before that, they were downstairs and just hanging out together, but they looked young, one of them looked really young, so one of the security guards was like, You're not allowed to be at the bar, like, let me see your ID. So she started getting nervous.

SPEAKER_03 55:06

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 55:06

So that's how that happened.

SPEAKER_03 55:07

Interesting. Interesting. And this is I mean, this sounds like the worst relationship you've ever been in. Yeah, I'm like, I couldn't imagine a worse relationship than that.

SPEAKER_00 55:18

No, because this isn't a normal relationship. People can look at me and think I'm dumb. That's totally fine. Um, this is public knowledge now, so I can like talk about it. He doesn't know I testified against him. I don't think he'll listen to this podcast, nor do I care. But hopefully he'll get the justice he deserves. Um, but yeah, this is like not a normal, you know, relationship. This is something this is like Tinder Swindler, but like worse.

SPEAKER_01 55:46

Uh-huh. Yeah, we need to get you on Christian Mingle. You could just Christian Mingle find some nice. Yeah, you know what? I go to church now. So maybe match.com.

SPEAKER_00 55:54

We can find you a nice. I know. I know.

SPEAKER_03 55:58

Okay, so okay. Um, does any of your previous relationships come anywhere close to this as far as toxicity is concerned? Or is it like kind of like the same level?

SPEAKER_00 56:11

Honestly, no. I would say that that one and this most recent one, I guess, are like the craziest, like toxic. Um my past relationships have been normal, other than you know, one other guy that is in a relationship, he just cheated on me. He was part of a biker gang, though. So, like I said, I pick him really well.

SPEAKER_03 56:34

So, so but it sounds like you do kind of go off angrily when when shit hits the fan.

SPEAKER_00 56:43

For sure.

SPEAKER_03 56:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

100%. I am the most chill, understanding, nicest person. But yeah, I yeah, I get insane. I get so manic. I do things that I may regret.

SPEAKER_03 56:56

Like what?

SPEAKER_00 56:58

Well, he cheated on me this morning, so already were I already um, you know, reached out to his boss.

SPEAKER_03 57:04

Um saying what?

SPEAKER_00 57:08

Well, we were supposed to go to a Rams a Rams game on Sunday. Uh-huh. And I was like, okay, that'd be fun. We are supposed to go because he works part-time at a dispensary as like kind of like the manager or something. And he, his boss, we were supposed to go with him and his wife. And I was like, Yeah, just say no, you cheated on me. So he's he goes to church with them. I was like, You think you're a man of God, but you do this to people? Nope. You are Satan himself, and nothing will help you there. But it's just crazy to me that, like, even getting into that stuff, like saying you're a man of God and like you're trying to get better, God is not gonna bless you if you're doing that to other people. Just that's how it is. Like, you're gonna get your own karma and God's not gonna take care of you. So um I reached out to his boss. I was like, hey, we were supposed to go to the Rams game. I'm so sorry. Like, he owes me three grand and he cheated on me with you know, a girl he met at the club. So I let him know that and I was like, What did he say? He didn't respond yet. Maybe he will. But the place that he has rented out here on Melrose or whatever, I was like, just so you know, um, he can't afford rent there. You know, I was paying for it.

SPEAKER_03 58:19

Um You told the landlord of the place.

SPEAKER_00 58:21

Yeah. But he was like, Well, he's like, I'm honestly not worried about it. I just use his printing equipment for here for like a really small fee. Uh-huh. But I think he meant like my ex pays him a really small fee to have it there. So I was like, okay. I was like, that's good at least because he can't pay rent. And I was like, um, I was like, maybe I'll stop in because I do need to serve him. But then that's when he told me he's like, well, he doesn't have a place of business here. Like he's not even allowed to sell his clothing brand. I was like, oh, okay, I love that actually. Good to know because he can't, you know, flourish there. Is that the right word?

SPEAKER_01 58:56

Flourish, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:57

Sure. But I guess technically speaking, that just means you're not gonna get your money.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

Yeah. So well, a hundred percent. But he's like, Yeah, you can wait outside my store. I was like, okay, thank you. But he's like, damn, that's crazy. I'm like, you don't care enough, do you? But yeah. I reached out to them. Um, I'm also trying to figure out how to obtain the clothing brand because it's trademarked in my name.

SPEAKER_05 59:21

Ah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 59:22

I just don't have the paperwork.

SPEAKER_03 59:23

Got it.

SPEAKER_00 59:24

So I'm trying to get an LLC under it because I know he doesn't have one.

SPEAKER_03 59:27

Smart. Interesting. Okay. And so you said you have uh sugar daddies. Is that what you said? You don't want to talk about it? We don't have to talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 59:39

No, I'm debating on saying oh I used to.

SPEAKER_03 59:42

Okay. Oh, you used to. Right, yeah, that's what that's what you say. You say you used to have sugar daddies. Um and so what okay, so what type of and this is what I've always wondered is w what type of men are the the type that would have sugar babies.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:02

The type of men I would say they usually I mean like 90% of them are retired or married. So they're older for the most part. But there are there have been some that are younger, like even in their 30s.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:20

And what do they usually look for?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

I guess mostly just an arrangement can mean so many different things. Whether it's it's an arrangement but you guys are still in a relationship. Like I've met a few girls that like are married to their sugar daddy now. And it just turned into like actual love. Um but for the most part a lot of them are married. So they keep it discreet and they're just like you know I'll take care of you, you take care of me type of thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:49

It's like an exchange thing and but this is so these were sexual sugar daddies. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. And so were you in a relationship during any of those situations?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:03

Uh no I never was um other than this past relationship that I was in two years ago. He was what's the right word? He was trying to get me to do that stuff. He was like pushing me to get a sugar daddy and he was like oh yeah I don't mind like you're not gonna like marry him like I guess him knowing that I wasn't into older men. Um he was like yeah like I know you're not gonna like marry him like da da da um when you say older men that means how like I guess like 40s 50s. Okay. I think my cap's like probably like 37.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:42

Your cap's 37 and you're 29 years old yeah okay and so you just don't like dating older men like somebody who's like 32 35 it's just not that attractive to you I do but I'm just very picky I guess you're picky you just said that you're picky she just picks the wrong one I'm like I'm picky so that's why I picked the worst ones you could ever think of you are very picky that's for sure I will say it's because and I don't want this to come off the wrong way because I don't want people to hate but like I love a baby face.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:18

Like I don't love like a beard or like you like the chest hair and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:23

Pretty boys pretty boys.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:24

Yeah that's what gets me in trouble but that's what I'm saying I'm like maybe I know I'm not meant to be in a relationship so that's why I pick the ones I'm like oh yeah you're gonna ruin my life like I want that right now like when you like pick these guys right you have to kind of know in the back of your mind like I know this isn't good news but like I kind of like like I'm attracted to it or like it's fun or it's exciting or dangerous or something you know is it kind of like that I think so you get like bamboozled completely. No I think it is because I'm used to chaos since my childhood so I'm like I think in hindsight I'm like looking I'm like oh yeah you're gonna k cause chaos or you're a fuck boy or like oh I I you could tell like this guy is like full of himself and has like a big ego because he's a pretty boy so I'm like yeah you're gonna you're gonna ruin my life so I so deep down you know but you're just kind of like yeah but it's fun kind of like that. Yeah I think I think that's what it is for sure because like I said like sadly I'm used to getting validated in the bedroom so I think that's what makes it more fun is like oh if I could get a pretty boy and someone that's like really pleasing to the eye it'll be more than fun. Like it'll be way more of like a better memory than yeah like a validation of like oh he could have got all these other girls but he chose me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:43

Versus like somebody who's like not that attractive it's like oh he chose me but like he didn't have that many options anyway. That kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:51

I see yeah I guess which sounds so bad.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:54

But not necessarily I do believe that like we're not supposed to say like a lot of things like guys aren't supposed to say oh I like girls because they're hot like every guy fucking cares. Yeah and if they say they don't care like I'm not saying it's the end all be all but it is important. You know what I mean? So it's like people pretend like they don't want things when it's like I got an argument with my mom actually because she's like very like conservative not like politically but like conservative you know what I mean and she's like Zach you know you're in LA you're always dating these like models actresses she's like why don't you just date someone with like a great personality I'm like mom okay so there's like really attractive girls with great personalities and there's ugly girls with great personalities

Sugar Daddies: Dynamics, Risk, And Reality

SPEAKER_01 1:04:40

like of course I'm gonna choose like the attractive one with the like one plus one is two like why wouldn't you want both you know yeah exactly if you can have it yeah so it's like everybody wants it it just depends on like how ambitious you are to get that versus being okay with somebody who's like less attractive but you know the connection's good and everything's fine and it's like it's okay kind of thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:02

But yeah for sure okay um so throughout these years when did you start doing stripping and and only fans and and um sugar daddies they all kind of started different OnlyFans I guess kind of like when COVID started or like 20 nine 2020 and Sugar Daddies was like very short lived couple like when was it the beginning of it? A couple years ago um when I was a little bit younger I like experimented that for a while stripping very short lived um before I tried it for a few months and I hated it but I realized the money for stripping is out in LA so um OC just sucks for because I will tell you right now every strip club in OC pretty much does extras in the back for $200. I'm like that is grimy that is so unclassy meanwhile you can go out here to like the body shop like one of my friends works there she's a baddie she walks out with like $5k a night and I'm like and rappers go there or like celebrities go there and it's like way more worth your while like way better.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:14

So have you ever come across any of the rappers or the celebrities who who you dance for or whatever?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:22

No, not rappers or celebrities. I guess like in the sugar daddy realm there's a lot of men out there that are the CEOs are there the big guys and they even are married or whatever or you would never suspect they have sugar babies or on that site and they really are like so many of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:43

Uh-huh uh interesting yeah but then you would think like having like you've been in nightlife just there like no like no rappers or celebrities ever slit into your DMs or somebody you've partied with or like anybody you've had anything like a relationship dating whatever I wouldn't say celebrities um because I don't know when I think of celebrities I think of like something crazy like Justin Bieber or anything which I wish it doesn't have to be A-list I suppose because there's A-list there's B-list or I suppose I don't I don't know who you consider B-list or C-list um yeah I guess like beer C list um there is a a rapper like fuck should I say names or no?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:32

Always say names always say names okay well there is one that I used to I've never done anything with him but we've had you know DMs here and there and like we plan to meet so many times he's very good looking but he's um he's uh Amber Rose's baby daddy but not the one that you think he is she's two I don't know who I think I don't know any well because one of her baby daddies was Wiz Khalifa it's Wiz Khalifa who's the other one uh I don't even know his real name to be honest what's his fake name taiga's friend say that his fake is his fake name is Taiga's friend yeah he's I haven't done anything with him um has he been in my DMs yes have I been in his 100% he's very good looking but I was at a club one time when Tiger's performing he was there of course and I remember one of my friends that night her friend got hit up by him she got paid to go to his hotel that night I actually was supposed to go and I didn't because it was like 2 a.m I'm a grandma I'm going to bed and uh I was like already it was in San Diego and I was like already like towards Orange County because I lived there at the time and he got another girl instead and he paid her like $1500 to suck her toes. And it's like damn that could have been me. That could have been me but then you went to bed yeah but when he had hit me up at the time like back when um he was still with her and I was like that's just crazy because she is a baddie and I'm not saying I'm ugly or anything I'm confident but I'm like okay like really so that's crazy to think like a guy can have like this amazing girl she's a baddie she she got money she did it all by herself and um he still will pick a girl that's at the concert to like hook up um I met uh the rapper Almighty Jay at the Kirgo party the Halloween party this past October um when he was like live streaming or something. Um so I guess you could say that he slid into my DMs but I think I was I was drunk. I think I slid into his first but he's a cutie so um rappers and stuff I I don't know I'd have to like think about that and like celebs and stuff but I remember growing up loving the MagCon boys have you guys like heard of them like it used it was like Cameron Dallas, Nash Greer, Matthew Espinoza, um uh who else were they they were like a thing back in the day when like um who what else was the thing like I don't know that's for like the girls like the girl like girls like when we were younger ish like in our teens we were obsessed with them. Uh-huh like do you guys know who Cameron Dallas is at least Cameron Dallas yeah Cameron Dallas Matthew Espinoza yeah yeah yeah okay so yeah they used to be like a big thing like when they were teens like girls would pay for like meet and greets with them. Wait but they're like a band they're like actors I don't even know what they were I think they just made like YouTube videos back in the day. They were just like conventionally like pretty like you know pretty boys and like all the girls were obsessed with them. I think it was just YouTube and like um Vine and stuff. Social media yeah yeah and um basically I had that encounter with one of them I'll decide if I want to bleep it out or not I had an encounter with Matthew Matthew Espinoza um and I don't even know what it was. We started like not even talking not even dating. You can't call it that these days but like texting I guess and I went a couple years back on my birthday maybe a more than a couple years back um I guess like maybe four years ago um and it was my birthday and then I found out that Blueface was having a yacht party and like Marina Del Riz. I was like oh yeah let's go um show up definitely me and my friend were the only two white girls there um and uh but who invited you I don't remember I think it was like a someone like hosting it for him or one of his homies one of Blueface's there was a black guy who invited you to the party knowing that you're white probably yeah okay we're the only two white girls so I'm like I don't know what they wanted with us because there was so many girls there. And um

Intimacy, Size Myths, And Preferences

SPEAKER_00 1:12:20

yeah that that was interesting too um why is that nothing crazy happened other than like it almost seemed like this this only other white girl but I want to say she was like Russian or something of that sort because she had an accent she looked a little bit foreign um I don't know what she was but she was taking photos and stuff and she seemed like some sort of assistant because she wasn't having like a fun time like she was on business and we're we're having fun we're getting drunk and everything um having a great time blueface is performing whatever but all I remember is like we're at like the bar area and blueface is saying something and she's like next to him. So like that's what I'm saying. She has something to do with him but I don't know what and all of a sudden all of a sudden he's like this bitch is annoying like someone fucking jump her. All hell breaks loose people are jumping her like all the girls are jumping her.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:16

Oh not like security like he's telling other people yeah crazy and when it comes to like rappers and stuff girls that are groupies will do anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:25

So girls are like on her like jumping her and I look at my friend I was like yeah she's the only other white girl here and so are we we have to go and so like we immediately book it like that was like scary because um she didn't even do anything. I don't even know what she had said but I'm like because he said that I'm like we're next we gotta go and I'm like we gotta get out of here dude like I'm like we have been so like we made so many friends that night we were so chilled definition of racial profiling no I know and um I was like I don't think they they definitely don't like us here. I was like I'm scared like we have to go um so prior to this point like I had met Matthew I forget where but like at a party at our club or something and I had his number like whatever I was like oh it's my birthday like what are you doing tonight? This is when I was like out every single night like doing something and he's like oh I'm at my house like come over like whatever and I was like okay so I bring my friend along with me she's like down for the ride. She's like yeah like this is iconic like we used to be obsessed with like the O2L boys like let's go and I was like okay let's go he gives me his address I pull up okay first thing when I see when I walk in he was watching his Netflix movie his own his own yeah it was like on pause or like resume or something the first thing on there and I was just like this that is such like an influencer thing to do. So I'm going there thinking like because at this time when I was younger I thought clout climbing was a thing. Okay it is in fact not okay you are not gonna fuck your way to the top or like moot your way to the top no one is giving you that fame and I wish some of my friends would understand that that are still doing that out here in LA because just because you fuck a guy and he has 1.2 million followers he ain't gonna post you he's not gonna give you anything you're another girl that's hooked up with him but I used to be that girl so um and learn through experience. Yeah and so I pull up and I'm like oh my god he's so cute like I literally used to be a fan of him like this is like my childhood dreams like coming true and my friend like passes on the couch I'm like okay we're gonna go upstairs whatever he gives me a tour and he's like actually he's like he didn't say it like that he was he's not like actually but he was like you know I have to wake up early tomorrow like I just kind of wanted you to come over and hang out like I'm like too tired to like do anything and I was like am I ugly like is there something wrong with me like do I look wrecked at the end of the night at 3 a.m like what's happening and I was like that's just so weird because like if a guy's doing that that late at night and he's someone like why aren't you do anything with me and I was like okay so you end up making out in his like little gaming room and I'm like that's it he's like yeah I have to like get up really early but like I wanted to see you and I was like weird so then I just ended up leaving and then we talked for a little bit after that and he like tried hanging out and then he'd flake and then like whatever and that was that and now he hangs out with Justin Bieber and I don't know how he got there but he's at the league all the time with Justin Bieber and at the clubs and he doesn't even do anything anymore other than make TikToks so I don't know but yeah that was interesting. Um but I've had my fair share of yeah trying to cloud climb and do all that stuff that doesn't who else did you climb or try to climb for the like influencers mostly because those are the easily attainable ones.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:08

Who is obtainable who such as who um you're funny you're funny because you've said the worst things like you that a person can possibly say about their life.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:28

I'm like damn do I want any more hate um what did they say go go go all out or go home or what what's the saying go bigger go home um it was when they they were a thing at the time so I thought it was cool.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:44

So like Dirty Dom uh he's like strung out now I don't know Dirty Dom is the guy who was with David Dobrik.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:52

Yeah yeah and no not did he go to to like like jail or something?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:57

He got accused of yeah he was like cancelled for some shit yeah he was accused of like sexual sexually assaulting people yes um so I've hung out with him a few times and like even like stayed the night at his house and he was did he try to fuck you or I mean I'm assuming you guys fucked it was consensual. Sure sure so I've never like he was never weird like that so again like that's hard when it comes to influencers celebrities like so many girls will make allegations to get their name out there but at the same time I am not like uh protecting sure you know anyone at all too because men are definitely capable of that. So it's kind of hard to like but my own experience he was always chill and like very sweet and cool um like away from like his like persona that he has online he's way different in person. Sure. Um but now lately he's uh he's an interesting person but back then he was cool he would give me like free merch and all that stuff he wasn't too into himself but um that and um I'm trying to make sure I haven't signed NDAs. Yeah Brennan Taylor the food reviewer had a threesome with him with another with your best friend yeah with my best friend which was very weird because I would never like touch my best friend so guys think that's like so hot and I'm like sure with like another like random girl but I don't think guys understand like we don't want to touch our best friends like we see them every day like we do whatever like that's this like kind of like I don't know crossing the boundaries varies for person to person I suppose. So um we hooked up with him one night and had a threesome with him which was very very interesting just in the sense of like I don't know we like started off like showed up at his house and all of a sudden like we're getting like sexual and like whatever and all I remember like this was years ago years ago too but all I remember was Um, he either was closing his eyes or he had a blindfold on, I wanna say, and he's like, Okay, let's start by like you guys kissing me, and I have to like guess who it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:09

And I was like, Like, it's a YouTube skin, it's like a TikTok skin.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:13

There's no cameras. I'm like, this is so cringe. Like, and at the time, like, I don't even think

Closing Reflections And Hopes

SPEAKER_00 1:20:20

like we blinked an eye, but looking back on it, I'm like, what were we doing, dude? Like, it was like after like a party where um what's her name? Halsey.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:30

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:30

She used to have Halloween parties. So it was like that long ago. And um he was there or something. He's like, come over after. And then that's how that happened. But um yeah, we would do it, or we did it, and he like rated whoever was the best kisser. I don't even remember who it was. But um, and he had to guess who it was, and then things just happened after that. So it's just like so interesting how these how cringe these men are. But yeah, they had like these millions of followers for their YouTube videos and stuff. But uh the fame gets to them, and then they are just like icky and like they're they're so corny from what they portray to be. But interesting.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:13

Yeah. Who's who would you say is the best celebrity you've slept with? Or influencer, essentially. Any semi-ish famous person.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:28

Honestly, none.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:29

None of them?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:30

No, but I also I haven't hooked up with a lot of them. Like it's always gone as far as like the DMs are like planning something and it like never happens, but that's because like when I was younger, I quickly learned like I shouldn't be doing that, it's not gonna get me anywhere. Um, and it was just like very draining. So I think that's why it's like it was fun to like meet them and like that was cool, but then I realized I was like, yeah, this is not gonna get me anywhere. So I just like kind of stopped doing that.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:57

I was like, this is like kind of and you don't know what people are capable of, so I think one time I saw you post something with um at like Logan's house or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:08

Um yeah, I think that was a few years ago. I I don't even remember. I think my friend, literally the one that I'm doing everything with, including the threesome, but she I think she got hit up by Zati, the one that the bigger guy that used to, I don't even know if they hang out with him anymore, but he was like the bigger guy that like had like that Las Vegas house that was like graffitied or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:33

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:33

Um, that Tana Mojo had her wedding at, her fake wedding. Um he was like kind of like the promoter guy for like a while, I feel like. I don't even know what he did, but he hit up my friend, I believe, and he was like, Oh, do you want to come to Logan Paul's house to watch him like train and practice? So she's like, Yeah, like let's go, like da-da-da. So we show out to his house. Mike, what's his name? Mike Maylek. Malek opens the door, whatever. Very nice guy. He's very sweet. Um, and we are literally there to just watch him. And I think Jake Paul at some point um came and he was in the ring too. Um, and this was before, like, kind of like right before he they started all the fighting stuff and like actually like fighting for real and stuff. And we're just there watching. Like, I'm like, you guys really booked girls to just sit here and like watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:26

But are you in the background of the video or he's literally just trained?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:29

I don't even think there was like videos or anything. It was like more of like a secluded type of thing. And it was like in his backyard, and it was like a boxing type of ring that was put in there, and he was just training with his trainers, and there was a bunch of girls there, and I'm just like, what is going on? Like, little Mosey was right there. Um uh I'm forgetting his name, Ace Family Guy, the dad. He shows up, and I'm like, so okay, I'm like, it's just like super interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:03

But like, did you party with them afterward, or are you just like literally like, all right, he's done training, you guys can leave now? Was it like that?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:09

Yeah, he's like, okay, you guys can leave. I'm like, wow, this is a humbling experience. And I remember after, um, okay, there was this girl, so pretty, but she had a missing tooth. I'm like, damn, you really just like came came out right after the afters or something. And I like to think like it was like about her and like hopefully like not me and my friend, but I just remember after Logan posting, and he was like something about like his like practice or like whatever that day, and he's like, all like every girl that showed up like looked like a witch, like a bunch of witches there, like da-da-da-da. And I remember me and my friend cracking up because I was like, that is so humbling that he just like posted, like, oh yeah, bunch of witches at my uh um train, practice, whatever you want to call it. I'm like, witches out of everything is very interesting. Statement, but um, yeah, we literally just got invited to go there for that just to wash him so that way I guess like he had girls there to give him a boo boost of ego or something. And um I think later that night we ended up going to a party, but like completely separate from that. And one of our friends was like, Hey, you want to go to um, I don't know whose party it was. I think it was like a house that everyone rents out in the hills or whatever, but they're like, Oh, Chris Brown, Tag is gonna be there. I'm like, Oh hell yeah, I want to go. And then we pull up and Tag is cars there. I was like, oh shit, this is legit. And all I remember is Logan, I think Summer Rae, and I don't think Jake, but them and like the assistant and like a few other like minor influencers were there, like trying to get in, and they weren't letting them in. Like so many people were waiting outside. They're like, you can't come in. Logan and Summer Rae, or like their assistant or someone ends up paying, paying them to get in through the door. We push our way up and we're telling security, like, we have to, we have to pee. Like, I will pay you to use the bathroom, like that's all I really need. Like, escort me out. I don't care about I'm gonna pee my pants, and it's either gonna be in there or I'm Papa Squat out here. And I was like, you choose. And he's like, Well, it's just the two of you, and I was like, Yeah. And he's like, Okay, you can come in. So I feel like that is that was my iconic moment. I felt really cool. Um, because I'm like, damn, the back of Samurai can't even get in or anyone else. And I didn't have to pay, I even offered to pay. I was like, how much do you need? Like, I have to go pee. And um, he just lets us in. Um, and Scott Dissick was there. Um, Chris Brown was there. Um uh You said whose party was this? I don't know whose party it was.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:54

Oh, and then who else was it?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:56

Um Tyga, Chris Brown, Scott Dissick, um the girl that dated Jake Paul. I'm totally forgetting names right now. Um she was part of Team 10, though. Got it. Um a bunch of other people, but I just thought that that's interesting how LA works when it comes to men, because it was mostly Jake Paul trying to get in. Of course, the security is like, I don't know who this hole is. Logan Paul, yes, Logan Paul. And I think it's just so funny that security like does not care like what guise it is, but if you're a girl, usually it's easier to get in everywhere. So that was pretty funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:35

But interesting stuff. Yeah, you've had a very um eventful life so far.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:41

Yeah, a little bit, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:43

Yeah, yeah. Um, okay, final question Does size matter?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:49

Honestly, no, it does not matter.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:51

No, have you ever had an encounter with a micropenis? Yes, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:56

So I will say size does not matter because a guy can have the biggest dick. He still doesn't know what he's doing with it. He could be jackrabbit jackrabbiting it and not know what to do. So half the time it doesn't even feel good. It hurts if it's, you know, too big. Too big.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:16

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:16

So I would say to a certain extent, sure, but most of the time it doesn't. If it's a solid six, seven, seven and a half, maybe eight.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:25

Uh that's that's on the bigger side.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:27

Eights for sure on the bigger side. What's average? Like six?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:30

No, average is like four or five.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:32

Is it really?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:33

Yes. I think it might be six.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:36

Five is manageable too. But it's like if they're moving and grooving, they know they know what they're doing, that's gonna feel a lot better than a guy just ramming it in thinks he knows how to fuck because he has a eight, nine incher. So micropenis, yeah, you're not really gonna feel that. Um, but decent, not decent, but like average size is quite honestly the best.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:02

So yeah, average size is five. So Okay, yeah. So so okay. But but a micro penis you've we've had an encounter with. Yeah. How did how many?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:14

Really two?

SPEAKER_03 1:29:16

How did that go?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:18

Terrible, I feel like, because I I couldn't feel it. So and I remember it was like a really attractive guy, like my age, like whatever. Um he just whips it out. I'm like, oh, okay. So as we're doing it, I'm like, I just don't like I kind of just like waited till he got his, you know, thing over with. Uh-huh. I don't think I talked to him ever again.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:46

But did he take care of you or no?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:49

I think that that was just a one-night stand and that's like 20 years old.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:53

Got it, gotta. Okay. So that was your first encounter. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:56

The second one, um, that's probably is I I think it was a sugar daddy.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:01

So that's easy.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:03

Right. Different setup. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta do what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:06

Yeah, I'm like, I don't care.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:08

I mean and also you've encountered it before, so it's not as surprising.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:12

Yeah, and it's yeah, I mean, essentially it's easier. I'm like, okay, like get the job done, I leave with my donation.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:23

Donation. I guess it kind of under it's understandable for somebody with a micropenis who would be a sugar daddy. I more so don't understand people with regular penises or just like, you know, decent looking. Cause I've heard people that are who are like decent looking and have a good job, make good money, and be sugar daddies. And I'm yeah, you know, I'm always wondering how that yeah, but maybe of no game.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:49

Like they're just like awkward or you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:52

I will say that the youngest one I've met is 32 and he's a doctor. But he is um, I will say most of them that I've talked to, they're so busy that they can't have a normal relationship. So they feel like that's the easiest situation for them because they kind of want something easy, like almost like a friends with benefits to just, you know, have someone when they can have someone. Because essentially, like having like how do you explain that? Like having it normal, a girl's not gonna always like be okay with that, I guess. Like, oh, you can't have me on my time, like sure. It's you know, like it's about her too. So I feel like that they think that that's easiest. Like, oh, I don't have a lot of time, I make good money, like I'll take care of you, you take care of me.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:39

Are these people not worried about SDDs?

SPEAKER_00 1:31:42

I feel like a lot of them aren't. Like, you'd be surprised. Like, I would get messages of like, hey, can I do anal? Haven't even met yet. Can you calm down? Or like, hey, you like cream pies? No, I don't. So I don't feel like guys are careful as they should be. Um, I don't think they care, or they just don't think it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:10

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:11

But knowing guys that are like that, that straight off the bat, hey, are you down for this? Like, no protection. I I can imagine like how many girls they see because it's like if you don't care, like I I'll get it like a hand I had it gotten a handful of like some that are married and they don't want protection. I'm like, so you don't care about your wife?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:31

That's wild. Yeah, that's like fucked up. Yeah or I guess they just don't sleep with her some of the time, like some of the times like that's the case, but if you if if if you got pregnant by a very either famous person or a billionaire, would you keep that child?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:50

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:51

Why not?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:52

Well, one, I would never have unprotected sex with them.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:58

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:59

But if the condom apparently breaks, let's say um it's because like I mean, I guess maybe I would keep it because I've I do want children and I don't rely on a man to like I've like literally told myself already if I'm 32 and I still don't like have a significant other and I'm like not settled down and everything, I'm gonna get a sperm donor, like 100%, or I'm going to adopt. Or both. Um, so I guess maybe, like, maybe let me take that back and say yes. But um I wouldn't do it on purpose. Like, I don't want that to happen. But I feel like all these girls that have had those allegations or that's happened, like the whole Drake thing of like the hot sauce and whatever, I feel like that's a bit that's too much. Like at that point, like they don't want the kid, they just want the money. They want the um, what is it called?

SPEAKER_03 1:33:52

The alimone.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the child support, sorry, not alone. Yeah. Um, which is nice. Like, yeah, if she's gonna be a single mom, like, yeah, the wealthy per the wealthy guys, like great to, you know, help with that, but I wouldn't do it on purpose. But like, yeah, maybe I guess I'd keep the kid because I guess that's my goal at 32, is to have a sperm donor, anyways.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:15

Got it. But would you do the same if it was some you know, homeless guy without money?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:20

Um, I plan to have a kid with my now ex as of this morning, so um you planned past ends, or you still plan to planned E D.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:32

I got it.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:33

Yeah, not anymore. Um, and I knew he had no money, but it I what I thought was a genuine connection, so I wanted to, but I had got pregnant with him before, but it wasn't a place in my my life where I was ready.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:47

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:48

So yeah, I would still keep the child and not expect anything if I was ready in my life and that happened to me again. I would say that that would be like a sign for sure. To if I'm this fertile and this keeps happening like unexpectedly, then yeah, that's a sign.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:04

So well, thank you for being honest, open. Of course.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:08

I can't wait for the the hate comments or the DMs I'll get about all of this stuff, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:14

It's gonna be interesting. So definitely uh wear your seatbelt. And um, hopefully the turn of events is going to um be a part of your journey where you meet guys who are not as toxic and uh for sure insane.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:34

Mm-hmm. That's my hope.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:36

Good luck. Thanks. Thanks for watching. We'll see you later.