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Owning Your Womanhood Ft. Yuna - Ep.186
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Special thanks to Yuna for being a part of this episode of Unattainable Podcast Show
We sit down with NYC creator Yuna B for a blunt, funny conversation about building womanhood on your own terms and dating with clear rules. We argue through chivalry, money, jealousy, online hate, and trust until the real question shows up: how much of love is truth and how much is performance?
• her ideal relationship dynamic, traditional in public and more submissive at home
• why she steps back from dating to travel and enrich her life
• growing up trans, starting hormones after high school, and letting family “see” the transition
• how she thinks about “fully transitioning,” surgeries, and pressure to pass
• handling surprise reactions in content spaces and being comfortable being visibly trans
• the 50-50 relationship debate, shared finances, and why chivalry still matters to her
• why she doesn’t fight hate comments and what viral transphobia looks like online
• an awkward closet story while dating and what it taught her about safety and honesty
• being stalked by a boss through fake dating profiles and what the legal system did
• jealousy boundaries, what counts as cheating, and why trust is non-negotiable
• “unconscious dishonesty,” defining words, and communicating without endless arguments
• first date preferences, love languages, values, and the traits she knows can be toxic
• “please hit that subscribe button.”
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Yuna’s Background And Dating Stance
SPEAKER_02Hi, I am Yuna B. I'm from New York City. I am a content creator on Instagram and TikTok. I do prefer a traditional relationship where the man looks like the man in the relationship, but I think behind closed doors I definitely prefer being the domineering one in the relationship. I'd rather enrich myself with other things than just dating around. I didn't talk to them for almost two years. Not because there's bad blood, but just because I didn't know what to say. I would never let anyone bully me. We're not born cis women. So the women that we become is completely up to us. I'm so comfortable and happy and like being a trans woman, and I love people knowing I'm trans just when I say, hi, how are you? I have the ability to like be extroverted, but I need my time to just be alone. You should still be chivalrous even if your girlfriend or wife makes just as much or more than you. No matter what I say to some people, it's it's never gonna get through. So I'm like, I'm not gonna talk, I'm not gonna beat a dead horse. It's mostly them saying being transgender isn't real. Uh-huh. You will never be a woman. You would literally send people to my place.
SPEAKER_00And you're convinced that he was the one doing it.
SPEAKER_02Well, I know it because um.
SPEAKER_00Welcome to Understandable. Glad to have you with us and hope you continue to be a part of our family for the foreseeable future. And if so, please hit that subscribe button. I am Mohammed Malay here with our newest guest, Yuna. Please introduce yourself, where you're from, what you do, and your age and your relationship status.
SPEAKER_02Hi, I am Yuna B. I'm from New York City. Um, I am a content creator on Instagram and TikTok. And there's another question that I was supposed to answer.
SPEAKER_00Um, where are you from? And how old you're you did you say how old you are? Well, you could just say that.
SPEAKER_02I'm old enough.
SPEAKER_00And then where are you from?
SPEAKER_02I'm from New York City. Oh, I'm from California. You already know.
SPEAKER_00You're you're from New York, but you you're from California, but you live in New York. Correct. Got it. Um and you are you said you're a content creator. That's right, yeah. Okay. What type of content?
SPEAKER_02I think it's a lot of lifestyle, just like travel, some dating, um style, just I think just my life and people just like to keep up with it.
SPEAKER_00How many relationships have you been in? I mean what constitutes What constitutes a relationship when you and the other person decide, well, okay. Typically I say that a um dating phase is about three months. And then you would consider something a relationship when the two of you agree that you are in one. Maybe two. Uh-huh. Two relationships. Got it. Um, how long were they?
SPEAKER_02Like six months. One was a year, one maybe six months.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Why do you find do you find it hard to find people that would want to be in relationships with you?
SPEAKER_02I I don't. I think it's more so finding. You know that I I've never had an issue finding someone who wanted to be in a relationship with me. I think it's more so like when I'm looking to settle down and like if they're okay with everything that I'm bringing to the relationship because I'm so like I know what I'm about and I'm a bit uncompromising.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. What explain that?
SPEAKER_02Um I mean, in public facing, I think I do prefer a traditional relationship where the man looks like the man in the relationship, but I think behind closed doors, I definitely prefer being the domineering one in the relationship and calling the shots. And I don't think all men are ready for that.
SPEAKER_00Okay. So you want somebody so okay. You want somebody who be who is dominant. Public facing. Publicly.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like looks like he is the head of the house. Like, like he pays the bills, he takes care of me. Um, he's a great family man, but he can fix things. I like that appearance in a man and actually being able to do those things, but I think behind closed doors, I prefer a man who's just ready to listen to me and pamper me.
SPEAKER_00So you want a guy who is submissive to you, but then in control of his life outside of me.
SPEAKER_02Uh-huh. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's a great way to do that. Have you have you and you're saying that you haven't been successful f finding somebody like that?
SPEAKER_02Um no, I think I have. I think maybe I'm just not looking to go to like really settle, settle, settle down all the way.
SPEAKER_01Why is that?
SPEAKER_02I was just in Amsterdam before I'm here in LA and I'm living in New York City, so I try to stay traveling. I'd rather enrich myself with other things than just dating around. It's so time consuming. Getting to know someone, getting to the talking stage, talking about whatever their siblings, where they're from, blah blah blah. Like it can be a little draining, so I just step away from that, I think.
SPEAKER_00Um so okay.
Transition Story And Family Reactions
SPEAKER_00You you're trans, yes. Correct. And um walk us through when did you transition, when did you realize that you wanted to transition, just how that whole situation was.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Um, I mean, I've known I was trans my whole life. Like, I mean, ever since I was like four years old, so I was raised Catholic. So I would pray every night that I would like wake up as a girl. And so now I it's a religious moment. I've realized that like um that prayer was always answered. It was just always up to me to make the decision and move forward. Um, so I knew since for a young age, but I didn't start hormones until I left high school, went off to college, was able to support myself and do everything by myself. And that's when I started hormones.
SPEAKER_00Okay. And what was your parents' reaction when you decided that you wanted to transition?
SPEAKER_02So I didn't talk to them for almost two years. Not because there was bad blood, but just because I didn't know what to say. I didn't have the words. I only know I only knew how to show it, not how to say it. So I just had to wait for them to see where I was going with my transition so they could see really who I was. And once they saw that, they were like the the the signs were there your whole life. Like my mother always says I'm her girliest girl, because I have others I have two sisters, but she says, I've always been her girliest girl. Um so I was born a boy, right? Some a funny story. The doctor was like, Oh, your baby's going to be beautiful. My dad said boys can be beautiful, but then as soon as I was born, my dad was like, This is such a beautiful boy.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02I don't feel like a beautiful boy now, but maybe some people would describe me like that.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. Okay. Um, and and so when when you did transition, um, did your sibling are your siblings younger than you? Uh one younger, and then I I have five older siblings. Oh, okay. Okay, so you have two sisters and then four brothers.
SPEAKER_02So seven of us total.
SPEAKER_00Four broth so you have six siblings. Correct. Seven of us total six siblings. Correct. Yeah. Okay. So two sisters and four brothers. Yes. And then you're okay. So you have one younger sister, uh-huh. And then everybody else is older than you. Yeah. Okay. And what was their reaction to you transitioning?
SPEAKER_02Okay. Um, none of them really were surprised. Because they all knew who I was growing up. They saw me playing with dolls. They saw me wearing dresses and short shorts and skirts. Like, I did that my whole life. Like, that wasn't like a I just woke up one day and was like, oh, I'm gonna wear a dress. I like literally wore skirts, dresses, and short shorts since I was a kid. Even to school. Uh-huh. I wore a French maid outfit to my French class. Okay.
SPEAKER_00And did you did you have any experience getting bullied growing up?
SPEAKER_02Uh no. I don't know. I think it's just be I would never let anyone bully me. How? What do you mean, how?
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, just because you don't let anybody bully you doesn't mean that nobody does bully you.
SPEAKER_02Well, how are they gonna bully me if I don't let them bully me?
SPEAKER_00Because they would start the bullying first. I don't know. What are you gonna walk around and hit somebody in the face before they bully you? Well, it's like what do you mean? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02I just like I'm just like, hmm, I feel like I just have this like mind wall of don't bully me.
SPEAKER_00You don't think you're bullyable. Yeah. Okay. Um, and then so you transition when you're what 21 something, like in when you're in college, right? Okay, and then um I I was I was having this conversation that we talked about before the podcast.
Surgery Choices And Being Openly Trans
SPEAKER_00Right. Uh with regards to how I I spoke with this um uh person who was trans, and she said that um, and she had gotten a couple surgeries, and she said that she doesn't understand women who don't get the surgeries and fully transition. Right. Um, what are your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_02Well, I think like fully transitioning is like so different for each person because I'm assuming this person got bottom surgery, which I myself have not gotten, and I know that is like its own controversy within the trans community and outside the trans community too. It's validating a person's womanhood based on whether or not they have a certain genital, you know. But I think for a trans person, they are like defining their own womanhood with their transition because obviously we were not born cis women, so the women that we become is completely up to us. And I think that's why we get different surgeries and we have different transition goals. Like mine was definitely based off making sure I had like an internal alignment, and once I found that internal alignment, that's when I stopped with my surgeries. Okay. So I think maybe her the other person's uh internal alignment didn't come until she did more.
SPEAKER_00Do you feel discriminated by women by by trans women who have had all the surgeries possible, I suppose? And do you ever feel like they look at you as a lesser woman or like a lesser trans woman, I suppose?
SPEAKER_02Um, I've never experienced that in regards to bottom surgery. I would say a lot of trans women experience that in regards to facial feminization surgery. Whereas like if they don't visually look like a woman enough like a woman, that's when they experience it um issues. But obviously, I do have a kind of deep voice. Um I think that's definitely where I get the most flack. It's like, wow, you could pass 100% as a woman if you chose to get uh vocal feminization surgery. So why don't you do it? And it's like really just I'm so comfortable and happy and like being a trans woman, and I love people knowing I'm trans just when I say, hi, how are you? Like, I think that's amazing. I don't have to tell you. Why do I want to tell you? Like, you should just being able to infer it, I think, is really cool.
SPEAKER_00Have you ever been in a situation where you were some when somebody was surprised when they or do you like you had to tell them, or that when they found out they were surprised?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think that still happens a lot. I mean, personally, I think my voice is very telling. Give gives it away, yeah. That's what I think, but I guess for some people it's not. They just maybe had some husky women in their life, so they're like, oh, maybe she loves she's a chain smoker, maybe blah, blah, blah. Um, but yeah, people are always surprised. I mean, I've been to content houses before, and I'm the only trans girl, not because they intended that, but because I just they had no idea I was trans. And so I showed up, and literally all of these other cis content girls were all in their bikinis ready to shoot, and then I was like, Yeah, I'm in, I'm ready to shoot too. But they're like, oh, something's a little different here.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And how do you deal with that? I mean, is it is it does that ever turn negative?
SPEAKER_02I mean, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I like to just say, okay, they didn't know. As long as no one says anything mean, I don't really care.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00Do people ever misjudge your personality?
SPEAKER_02Um, yeah, but I don't think in a bad way. I think people, I think um people assume maybe I'm a party girl, because I think content girls kind of get that. That rep that we're just out and about in short little skirts, jumping around from club to club, not paying for a drink or a dress, you know. But I'm much more of a homebody. I have a collection of hardcover books, vintage and modern. Um, I love to play video games. I have a custom-made computer that glows pink and it's named Carnelian.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Um, and I have three Pomeranians. And between books, dogs, and video games, I'm my own body.
SPEAKER_00It sounds like it. Do you you are you more of an introvert?
SPEAKER_02Okay. Have you heard there's like the in-between? Ambivergent. Right, right, right. It's like I have the ability to like be extroverted, but I need my time to just be alone and be in my quiet. Gotcha.
SPEAKER_00But but it sounds like you prefer to be alone. Alone. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02More so. Or at least in uh smaller public settings. Okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Um
50-50 Money And Public Chivalry
SPEAKER_00Is it is it still possible to be in a 50-50 relationship, but then expect a man to pay when you're out and about or do activities or whatever?
SPEAKER_02Like, do I expect him to pay like when I'm doing my own thing?
SPEAKER_00Well, if you're fifty if you're in a 50-50 relationship.
SPEAKER_02Um, I wouldn't expect a man to pay for me if I'm not with him. If like if I'm not with him at the moment, no, obviously.
SPEAKER_00Yes, some random person. Have you seen those like social media posts where the girl is like, are you gonna pay for me? And then the guy is like sitting across the table with a different thing. Oh, I love those. Like, who are you? Right. So, no, obviously. Yeah. But if you're with someone, okay, do you do you believe in 50-50 relationships to begin with? Yeah. You do? I do. Okay, okay.
SPEAKER_02You think those are healthier than I think it's per person. I think there are some people that want to just depend on someone else. But personally, um I would never want to depend fully on someone else for my own livelihood. I'm just like too much of a of an independent thinker.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. Okay. But then, but then because you said something with regards to like he has to be dominant outside. Okay. So then does that mean that the but then you also said something along the lines of like he has to pay the bills and like all those things? So is that just happening publicly?
SPEAKER_02Right. Because I would like if we go out to dinner, let's say we're 50-50. Um, we go to dinner, we have a credit card, a joint credit card. I would rather him put down the credit card. Even though it's the same credit card, I'd rather him put it down, him pay the tip, him talk to the server. Got it. Even if it's sell him later. Nah, it's a it's a joint bank. Okay, so you're gonna Zella Park.
SPEAKER_00You're you're you're contributing to that bank account. Right, right.
SPEAKER_02We share our finances.
SPEAKER_00So Got it. Got it. So you want to, you're you're okay with sharing your finances with your partner, but then in public, you believe that he needs to look like he's taking care of everything. That's what I like. I like that, yeah. What's what what what what's this desire behind wanting the public to think a certain thing?
SPEAKER_02Well, I just like to be spoiled and pampered.
SPEAKER_00Um But that's not true in reality.
SPEAKER_02Why?
SPEAKER_00Because I like to do stuff myself? No, because you just said that the you're contributing to the bank account equally. Okay. That's that's the definition of 50-50. Well, it still looks like I am being spoiled.
SPEAKER_02Which I like. I like I like the the But it's fake. The dis the chivalrous display. It's not fake. Because the intense- absolutely fake. No, no, no. The the meaning is there. And that's what counts. The meaning is what counts. It's like the intention to be a chivalrous man is there. And you should still be chivalrous even if your girlfriend or wife makes just as much or more than you own. And I think that's it. Perhaps I just like maybe traditional gender roles, which is weird coming from a trans person saying that. Uh-huh. But I mean, I myself like You wouldn't be the first, but I could continue. Right. I like to think I'm quite feminine on the scale of femininity. So I think a masculine man being chivalrous caters to that side. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_00It it makes sense that you have a concept of of reality that is not real.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00Because because you've created this imaginary world where you feel good about yourself. Sure. But it is not, but it's a fake reality. It's a made-up reality, right? It's it's it's a it's it's it's it's this. If if you and I had a we're in a relationship and I say to you, um, hey, we're gonna be 50-50. We're just at home chilling. Right. And I say, hey, we're gonna be 50-50. And you're like, yeah, no problem. I'm gonna put $1,000 in our bank account, and you put a thousand dollars in in the bank account. Great, no problem. Let's go have ice cream now. Uh-huh. Yeah. And we go, we have ice cream, and I pay with the joint credit card.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Now, you paid for this ice cream, and I paid for this ice cream. We both paid $5 each for this ice cream. Uh-huh. Yes? Sure, yeah, we did. Okay. Perfect. This is this is the definition of 50-50. Yes. Yeah. But if another person shows up and they're like looking at us, and I pay, and they're like, oh my god, your boyfriend just paid for your ice cream. And you're like, yeah, look so sweet. Yes? Amazing. It's fake. Yes? It's not real. That's not what happened. They think that's what happened. Sure. But it's not what happened. Sure. Correct? That is right, yes. So that's a fake reality. I wouldn't say it's a fake reality. But it is. It's augmented. It's a made-up reality. We basically uh diluted the truth to make it seem a certain way. Which obviously, I'm not suggesting that you know you need to uh uh promote this to the world and say, hey, 50-50 here. Obviously, I understand. But you're enjoying this chivalry as as you call it, and saying that, like, oh, I I I want my man to be this way. And I do. But that's not real. Because he's not being this way as a result of the actual Because he's not actually taking care of me. Like for Well, the math doesn't work that way, right? Because he's not paying for the ice cream. Sure. You are sharing the payment of the ice cream.
SPEAKER_02Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So it is happening in a sense of like you feeling this way because you're looking at it happen.
SPEAKER_02Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00But mathematically is not what's taking place in reality.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think it's maybe just a nice ego boost from a partner. And who doesn't want to see the partner get a little ego boost? I mean, come on, like as a man, would you not if even if you were 50-50, if you're a man, you're 50-50, you're going out with a girl, wouldn't you rather pay? Or would you rather have some hot girl pay for you? And do you think guys are gonna be like, oh, that's so badass, that guy's got like this hot girl paying for her? Or him, I'm sorry? Or do you think you look more bad?
SPEAKER_00But that's me caring about other people's judgment. Right. Because because if I don't care about other people's judgment, then then what do I give a fuck? If she pays for it or I pay for it, or or I ask her to to give me five bucks.
SPEAKER_02I have five dollars if you need.
SPEAKER_00I don't need five bucks. But the reality of it is if if if I care about other people's opinion, then yes, 100%. Yeah. I would get an ego boost. Yeah. But I don't care about other people's opinion. Uh but it sounds like you do, which is okay. I think we all do, too a little bit. I couldn't care less about other people's opinion. Not even a little bit. I'll believe you. You don't think I'm telling the truth. I'll take your word for it. Well, yeah, I suppose you don't know me well enough to to to know that, but I um I really don't. I I I I think that people's opinion is based upon because because I I I did this experiment where I would have these conversations with like my best friends and it was like, hey, like what do you what do you think of me?
Perception, Faith, And Not Arguing Online
SPEAKER_00Are they guys? Yes. Okay. And I said, and and they would like tell me what they think, right? And it would be very interesting to me because they would have this like um uh uh inaccurate description, right, of of how they perceive me versus how I perceive myself. Okay, that's interesting. And and then I would have a conversation with somebody else and they would have some sort of a perspective, and then I would have a conversation with another person, and some they would have another perspective. There was there was there was I had this conversation with this girl a couple days ago where she said that she thought that I was um that I'm always trying to be dominant. Oh and I said, Why do you think that? And she goes, Well, I it's just how I how I see you. Okay. And I was like, interesting that you think this way. Now when I pushed her on it on giving me a coherent answer why she wasn't able to come up with one, but um, that was her perspective. Now, don't care about this person's opinion, I can care less because it doesn't change who I am as a person, nor does it change how I perceive my dominance. Right. But she had her reasonings of why she had this that perspective, and I think every single person on this planet has a different perspective on things based upon their upbringing, based based upon their cultures, because based upon their parents, religion, so on and so forth. Yeah. And so I don't think you can't really change that. Right? You could reason with people and you could explain things. Some people accept it and understand it, and some people have the capacity to understand it, but a lot of people don't. Um and and and I think when you when you realize this, you lessen less, or at least for me, I try to less and less care about other people's opinion because there's not much I could change. But when it comes to their upbringing and their past and their religion and their belief system that that you can't really uh prove anything on, yeah. Right. When somebody talks about religion, I don't know if you're religious or not, but most of religion has to do with faith.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right? It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that they actually spoke with God. Yeah. Or it's not that they, you know, died and went to afterlife and they saw heaven and hell, and then they came back and they're like, oh, well, you know, I saw it and that's why I believe. Or I had a conversation with God and God tell told me this, and that's why I believe, right? Yeah. It's based upon faith. And and and if you go based upon this imaginary concept in your head that has been taught to you and you just accepted it, right? Then there's nothing I could say to you to change that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's true. That you can't really like get past someone else's own perception if they're not willing to let down their own walls of their preconceived notions.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, or even be open enough in order to understand other people, right? Sometimes people have so much hatred that they they they can't hear anything else outside of their own voice of negative thoughts.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's why I don't even reply. I can't even be bothered to reply to hate comments or anything because I know no matter what I say to some people, it's it's never gonna get through. So I'm like, I'm not gonna talk, I'm not gonna beat a dead horse. Do you do you get a lot of hate comments? Oh gosh. It's the telltale sign of if a video is going viral. If it's like half hate comments, half supporting comments, it's like, oh, okay, this is gonna go viral. So I would say only on my super viral videos. Like if it has like over one or two million, totally.
SPEAKER_00What are the hate comments on mostly?
SPEAKER_02I mean, it's mostly just people saying, I will never be a woman, or actually that's it. So it's the same thing. And I'm like, I am never I'm not gonna have the same argument over and over again with a million different people who I would never phrase the argument. I mean, it's mostly them saying being transgender isn't real. Uh-huh. You will never be a woman. And um what's your response? I mean, my response is being trans is real. Um, it's I mean, there are animals that change their genders. There are plants that have like both genitals, you know? It's literally ingrained in our nature of being on this earth to just have this like super spectrum-based sexuality and gender. We're not the only ones that experience this. And I, and no matter how many times I tell people that, they're like, not real.
SPEAKER_00Interesting.
Awkward Dating Stories And Early Exploration
SPEAKER_00What's the most awkward situation you have ever been um caught in while dating someone?
SPEAKER_02I mean, you asked this, and already I have a story. Uh-huh. It's so I was talking to this guy. It's back when I was living in Hawaii, where I went to college. I was talking to this guy, he's visiting, and he's like, Oh, I have this super nice, I'm saying this super nice penthouse condo, you should come over. Um, let's we can go get dinner after maybe. We can hang out while I'm here. I'm like, that sounds so fun. So I go over there, we talk, we get to know each other, we have a drink, we're having fun. And he's like, I'm just I'm here with my friends or whatever, right? And so then the door unlocks, and we hear people coming in, and he's like, Okay, I lied. I'm not here with my friends. And like, I didn't buy this cool penthouse by myself. It's actually my parents. And my parents are home, they're not gonna accept you, and you need to hide. So I literally hid behind his mother's suitcase, and I remember she literally came in the closet looking for what to wear for dinner, and I was like, Oh my god. Because like, I don't know these people, I don't know how they're gonna react, like seeing me. And so that was like so awkward. And once it was all over, the guy felt so bad that he just like gave me money. And he still hit me up after that.
SPEAKER_00What do you mean he gave you money? He was just like, I'll give you some money.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he's like, I feel so bad for that happening. I mean, as he should, he lied, and I literally had to hide in a closet. That's like the jokes write themselves, you know what I mean? Like, um, so yeah, he gave me some money, and that is funny. It was good.
SPEAKER_00And and okay, so that you do you think that that experience was worth it because of the money?
SPEAKER_02I think it was worth it because it was funny.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. Okay.
SPEAKER_02Wait, how long were you in the closet for? Maybe 20 minutes. Oh, okay. I mean. But I was like scrunched up. It wasn't comfy. Like I think I needed to stretch my legs if I was sitting there too much longer. That is hilarious.
SPEAKER_00Have you ever had an experience that um completely changed the way that you viewed um yourself or your own sexuality and relationships?
SPEAKER_02A relationship that made me change how I view myself.
SPEAKER_00Well, just in general, have you ever had any experiences with other people? Well, I'm assuming have you have you only dated did you ever date have you always dated men?
SPEAKER_02I've yeah, I've well, okay. I I've had a girlfriend before. Okay. Um, I was just exploring. And I was like, what's this like? I mean, and I've explored more past that.
SPEAKER_00This is before transitioning or after? Before. Okay, before transitioning. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So I was like, I don't know, maybe I should try it, see what it's about. People seem to hype it up. Um, I didn't get the hype. Um and she was like, Why won't you kiss me? And I was like, I don't know. And then we broke up because I wouldn't kiss her.
SPEAKER_00Okay, let me understand this. So in in school, when you were interested in um well, I'm assuming at some point you became interested in other other genders. Yes. Were you did you start becoming interested in men or like in boys at that point?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, when I was that age, it was people of my age, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right, right, right, right. So so you were interested in boys more so, or I mean, you weren't interested in girls.
SPEAKER_02I I'm not into girls, no. Okay, got it.
SPEAKER_00So you were interested in boys, and at that point, did you show interest in any of the boys?
SPEAKER_02Oh, like did I like when I was younger, did I show interest in boys? Uh-huh. Yes. Before transitioning. Oh, yes. Okay.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Did this girl not know that you were into boys?
SPEAKER_02Well, I was emo, and I think emo boys are a little femme. Uh-huh. So I think I got that pass. Uh-huh. And her and I were like the coolest emo kid couple. And I think both of us just wanted to be that so much that we were like willing to look past other things. Like, I was willing to look past that I wasn't into girls, and she was willing to look past that I was not kissing her, just because we both wanted to be like the coolest emo kid couple.
SPEAKER_00Got it. Got it. Got it. Interesting. And okay. And then so I'm assuming that didn't last that long.
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_00After the kiss, you just kind of ended.
SPEAKER_02No, I never kissed her.
SPEAKER_00Well, after not kissing after the not kissing, then you just ended that. And you guys stayed friends, or you just never talked to her again?
SPEAKER_02No, we stayed friends. Um, I mean, we stayed friends all the way up until college just because, you know, time and distance, you lose touch with people, but we were friends all through high school. I mean, I even like had a thing with one of her exes because one of her exes was a gay boy, and so this was pre-transition. So that boy and I had our own little thing, which was kind of funny because we're like, Oh, we both dated this girl. Isn't this funny that we're both here now? Interesting. And it was not intentional. Okay, I wasn't like, oh, I want her seconds. That's like weird, but it was non-intentional.
Workplace Stalking And Legal Reality
SPEAKER_00Um, you mentioned something with regards to um your boss stalking you.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_00What's that story?
SPEAKER_02Oh my gosh, I don't even know where to start. So this is also back in Hawaii. I just feel like up in when I was in Hawaii, I was up to no good. Um, as you are though, when you're in your 18 to 20s. But um I'm not gonna say his name or anything because I know he's a little cuckoo, but um the boss. The boss, yeah. I mean, he was my boss. Um we did styling, that's what we did, for a big thing. We did a we were stylists for a really big thing.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_02And he had such great connects, right? And so he's like, yeah, just be my underling and I'll help you in this world, like, and everything. And then I find out that he's like pretending to be me on dating apps and he's like making up lies about me online to like keep people from dating me. It was like so weird. It's like he's being me online to get dates, but he's also being me online so people don't date me. And it was just like so strange. Like, do you know what grinder is? Yes, sure, everyone does. Um, so I would open it and there would be 20 accounts with my face saying, don't touch me, or saying, please come to my house. And so it'd be different. It'd be like, I'm an I'm a N'erduo, don't touch this person, or it'd be like, Oh, I'm loosey-goosey, come over, the door's open. Uh-huh. And he would literally send people to my place.
SPEAKER_00And you're convinced that he was the one doing it.
SPEAKER_02Well, I know it because um I took him to court.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay. Yeah. And okay, what okay, how did how'd it all go down?
SPEAKER_02Well, okay, the the police did not care. The police in the court system did not care. They're like, who is this little, like, who's this little baby? Like, they're like, this is just gonna stay in the LGBT community. It doesn't concern most of the island or most of people. Looks like this is just an issue. They literally told me, wait until he finds someone else to stalk and write it in my journal. That was my advice from the courts and the cops. I was like, oh, this is amazing. Thank you so much for your help. But I I still took him to court and I got him fired from his jobs, and he left me alone after that. So I s I do think I I think I did as well as I could.
SPEAKER_00And I'm assuming he stopped stalking you at some point. I think he's still out there. Jesus Christ. Why was he stalking you to begin with?
SPEAKER_02I mean, he wanted to date me. Okay, but I wasn't interested in him romantically or physically.
SPEAKER_00Did he did he ever show interest that way? Like, did he ever say that he wanted to date you? Yeah. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And whenever like anyone would approach me, he would get like super jealous and stuff. I mean, he even tried to like keep me from going to college and he tried to keep me from talking to my family.
SPEAKER_01Oh wow.
SPEAKER_02Um, yeah, which was really hard. Like, because I'm just like this young, I was literally a kid trying to go to school, and then I have this like adult like who I thought was like trying to help me in an industry. Secretly, they're like trying to tear me down. So it was like a weird time in my life for me to figure out like how capable I am of doing things myself. And like, I don't know, it really taught me so much. Like, it was the lowest and worst point of my life, but literally the person I am now is like so amazing. I am like, I don't know, it's so weird. Like, are you grateful for that horrible moment?
SPEAKER_00I suppose if it teaches you something and if it's not permanent, yeah, yeah.
Jealousy Rules And What Counts
SPEAKER_00Are you a jealous type yourself? Yeah. Like what? Like with disappointment. Oh. Like you wish you weren't.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Um tell me some of your jealousy experiences. What have you done anything toxic, overly toxic, as a result of your jealousy?
SPEAKER_02No, I'm I'm not the type to go through a phone or anything. Like if I literally just if I think something is a muck, I will just call it. Something is a muck? If something's a muck, I'll call it quits. Yeah. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So if if okay, if you're suspicious, then then it's over. You don't even ask questions.
SPEAKER_02I don't know. I feel like if I'm suspicious, it's for a reason.
SPEAKER_00Like I think it's pretty obvious if you're cheating. You're having a lot of confidence in your in your Yes.
SPEAKER_02But I think it's so obvious if someone's cheating.
SPEAKER_00Is it? I think so, yeah.
SPEAKER_02What do you consider cheating? Well, it's basically just, oh, what do I consider cheating? Like, where's the threshold? Yes. Um, I mean, I would say the bare minimum is sending nudes. Like if you're just talking to someone, I think I can't come at you if you are just if you just have a relationship with somebody who is a girl. I can't get mad at you for that. That's like like a relationship, not a physical or emotional one, but just a relationship. I can't get mad at you for that. Sure.
SPEAKER_00But I mean, if you send photos or if you say stuff like I can't wait to see you, then it's so if I if if if if your partner is texting another girl and saying, I can't wait to see you, I want to fuck you. But oh my god. That's cheating. Gone. Straight up. Yeah. Um okay. If if your partner is talking to another girl, but the girl is saying that she wants to do all this stuff, but he's not saying anything.
SPEAKER_02Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00Is that cheating? Ooh, that's a really good one, right?
SPEAKER_02Because it's like, I mean, I would want him to stop talking to that person because it's like, okay, she's obviously trying to get into your pants. Uh-huh. Um. But he's like, no, it's all good. Then I would say that's not. So maybe I'm jealous with a bit of understanding. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Um if kissing, that's cheating. That's yeah. Cheating. And if super drunk kissing.
SPEAKER_02Um, I call Hammurabi because.
SPEAKER_00Maybe I thought it was you.
SPEAKER_02Lies. Uh-huh. Lies. I don't know. Drunk kissing, it's still cheating, but I gotta go get my lick back. I think that's how.
SPEAKER_00Is it worth would you would you forgive him if he cheated with another girl? No. Would you forgive him if he cheated with another guy? Do I get a watch? Um, okay. What's worse? Cheating with another girl or with another trans girl?
SPEAKER_02I with another trans girl. Because you got that at home. Like, I just personally I have this thing in my head, I'm like, go for a different flavor. I believe in getting the sample tray. Uh-huh. So, I mean, even when I travel, I have like this like thing. I'm like, yeah, I have to sample the local flavors. Um, so yeah. You have to sample the local flavors. So if he was with a cisgirl, I would just take it as, you know, he was he doesn't have that and he was craving that.
SPEAKER_00Do you think that how do I word this? Um Do you think that trans women's sexual openness is different than non-trans women?
SPEAKER_02Oh, I mean, but it it's for a strange reason though. I mean, it's because a lot of us do sex work. And so we are kind of we do it to make our ends meet because a lot of maybe a lot of us. Oh, a lot of trans women do sex work?
SPEAKER_00Oh, is that is that right?
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_02Um, I mean I think what, transporns number one or number two? I've no idea. On the hub. Couldn't tell you. Well, I'm it's like a fact right now. Okay. Like it was a news article. It's okay. Transporns on the rise, trans rights are on the decline. Uh-huh. Um, so this is like a whole tangent, but do I think cis women and trans women have different sexual like outward displays? Yeah. Some trans women don't take hormones, so they are full on testosterone. And as someone who used to have lots of testosterone, I know how that affects your mind. Makes you kind of dumb for carnal cravings. A little horny, I suppose, yes. Sure. I was trying to put it eloquently. Sure. Carnal cravings. Um Yeah, so I think some trans women definitely are. I know a few.
SPEAKER_00That that don't take hormones. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. Got it. And do you think that that is okay. So but do you think that's the only thing that makes but but you said something with regards to sex work. Uh-huh. And and and so you think that that's that's relevant to them being more open to sexual relationships, or like one night stands or whatever it is. Yes. As a result of the fact that they do sex work. And you said something along the lines of the fact that they have to do sex work.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um, trans women find themselves in sex work just because if you are not visibly passing, you it's a lot harder to get a job. Even with right equal rights bills, it's people can st can still turn you down. They just don't have to say why. Sure. Um, and it is a lot harder for trans women to get like high-paying work opportunities, so they do turn to sex work. And I think because of that, they just end up sexualizing all parts of their lives, and sex becomes less something intimate and more something casual, and I think that just leads to having more and more casual sex.
Trust, Self-Awareness, And Word Precision
SPEAKER_00With regards to the cheating, do you think it's because you said you wouldn't forgive. And you would break up with your partner. Yeah, I'm known to hold a grudge.
SPEAKER_02You why is that? Why am I known to hold a grudge? You'd have to ask someone else.
SPEAKER_00What are you that I should have to ask you? You're the one holding it. I guess. Why why can't you let go?
SPEAKER_02I'm like an elephant. I have a wonderful memory. Uh huh. So I just I have no choice but to retain this memory.
SPEAKER_00Okay. And you just you think it's impossible to trust somebody who broke your trust?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I do. I think trust is kind of the only thing we that it's so much of this world is man made and. Intangible, but trust, it's intangible, but it's intrinsic and it's all we have. I so that's why it's paramount to me. Like, I think people, I think like when people talk about what they look for in a relationship, it's always like what six foot finance, whatever, blah blah blah. But like literally, my number one thing is trust because I'm like a pretty anxious person, so I need to have that trust there to make me feel secure.
SPEAKER_00Sure. I think I think trust is is incredibly um I mean not just useful, but but uh necessary in any relationship because that that allows you to be able to free yourself from doubt and and uh put your walls down. Yeah. But I also think it's it's practically impossible to fully trust anybody ever. Because people change, and sometimes we are unaware of their change. Um there is there's there's I'm writing a book on this concept called uh unconscious dishonesty, which is people lying without even knowing that they are. Right? It's it's it has nothing to do with intention, right? It has to do with awareness because sometimes I would say something to you not even really understanding myself, okay, and therefore that is a lie that I just told, however, that was so unconscious that I had no intention of lying to you, but I did it anyway, right? Yeah, it's like when you say to someone that you love them, and then two months later you no longer do. Because at that moment you felt like you did. Yeah. But in reality, you just weren't self-aware enough to know that you didn't. Interesting. Does that make sense?
SPEAKER_02That does. Yeah, but just thinking about that, I don't know, it makes me feel the type of way. How does it make you feel? I don't know. I it makes me think of relationships where they feel so great and fluttery in the beginning, but then it just fizzles, and it's like, yeah, that's exactly what was going on.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because majority of people lack self-awareness. And not just not just that, they also don't know what they want.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And so they go into certain relationships and certain partnerships um because of the way that the partnership makes them feel. Uh-huh. And the desire that they have, the hormones that go all over the place, right? And so most of the words that we utter to the other person across from us is not as a result of us meaning it, but as a result of us getting the satisfaction of making them feel good.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And so it's not honest. It's useful, you know, more so than anything else. And sometimes we say it because we think that we feel it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00But in reality, we just don't know ourselves well enough.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And I think also sometimes people are like, maybe if I say it, I will feel it, you know? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I've had this that the the this thought always kind of uh was in the back of my mind when um, you know, somebody that you just met would say, Oh my god, I love you. Right? Yeah. It's like a thing that people do. And it and and so one one time somebody Yeah, what's that one time somebody said that and I was like, and and they were like uh kind of shocked. And I was like, What's up? And they were like, What so you're not gonna say it back? Yeah, I was like, I don't love you. Yeah, like I don't no part of me is gonna say this. Yeah, because I don't feel it. Yeah. I understand why you're saying it, I think you're nice for saying it, but you also don't mean it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So thanks for saying it, but you're making shit up.
SPEAKER_02I think I feel the same way. It's like me, I can't just say, like, oh my god, girl, I love you, or because I I don't know, that just doesn't just come out of me, that word.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, like that means a lot. So and I think words that and and and to me personally, um, I think words are created to describe the ways that we feel uh and and the ways that we want other people to understand us. Yeah, of course, and I think people take that for granted so much because often they say things that doesn't particularly describe how they feel, what they think, but they just use words so loosely in their life. And so I try to be as mindful as possible. Like when I have conversations with my friends, and and they kind of make fun of me from time to time for this. That's a good fact. Um, when I when they say something and I'm like, define the word, right? They'll they'll we get in an argument and they'll say something. And I'm like, define that, right? Define what this word means because the only way that we could be on the the the same pathway is for you explaining to me what this definition of this word is to you, so I could make sure that we both define it the same.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because then otherwise we'll argue about this thing for so long and then realize that we both have different definitions of this. Yeah, we were on the wrong page from the start. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's a useful way of sort of um uh trying to communicate with people.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_00As properly as possible. Um controlling because you said that you're jealous, but does that make you controlling?
SPEAKER_02Who I feel like am I controlling?
SPEAKER_00I guess I would have to outsource this question.
SPEAKER_02Uh-huh. Am I controlling?
SPEAKER_00Other people think that you're controlling. With would would your would your friends say that you are?
SPEAKER_02Maybe my childhood friends, I feel like it is something I've outgrown.
First Dates, Love Languages, And Values
SPEAKER_02What's a perfect first date? Hmm. I mean, I like something low-key. I like a walk in the park, a joint in the park, a coffee.
SPEAKER_00A joint in the park, is that what you said?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Uh-huh. Or coffee, guess where? In the park. Um, just like something where I feel comfortable. Um, and also something where I get to like share interests, either of mine or of his. Um, like if we have a shared interest in coffee or joints.
SPEAKER_00Why not an expensive dinner?
SPEAKER_02Those I mean, course dinners take like three or four hours. I don't want to be locked in with some man. Oh, interesting.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Okay. You don't want to be forced, you want to have the freedom of leaving whenever you feel like the time is no longer on your side. Yeah. Okay. Um I do love a course dinner. Sure. What are your love languages?
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay. I think w what I express is physical touch or like acts of service. Not that like, because I love to cook, right? So my acts of service, like if I'm in a relationship, I'm gonna cook you so much food. Like, that's how I show my love. Uh-huh. Um, and physical touch, just because I'm like super touchy. Like, um, even with all my friends, like I'm always grabbing them and hugging them and holding them. And I'm like that with like anyone I'm close with. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And what's your last one?
SPEAKER_02What do you mean?
SPEAKER_00The the least favorite.
SPEAKER_02What's my least favorite love language? Gifts. I mean, I don't think really, I guess if it's really meaningful and thoughtful, and like you're like, I just really thought you could have used this, and sure, but I don't really need gifts. I'd rather just pick it out.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um what is what are some of your most important values? Like as a person.
SPEAKER_02In myself. Yeah. Huh. It's a cliche. I just like being nice to everybody. Like literally, I am nice to everyone. I d and I I think that's my greatest value. Or like my biggest, like, my top trait. Um what else about me? I feel like this is such a self-serving question. What I think is great about myself.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I mean, I I think I think you know, this concept that if you believe that you have good traits and if you utter them that somehow you become um egotistical or or selfish or self-serving is is just made up, right? I think everybody should love themselves and everybody should love traits that makes them a good person.
SPEAKER_02I agree. But aside from my kindness, what else makes me a good person? Literally, my mind is just rushing with synonyms for kindness. Uh-huh. There's benevolence, um, charitable. Um but what's I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. Um you think that you're you have you have any toxic traits? And we've talked about it, we've already covered the jealousy part.
SPEAKER_02Right. Aside from me being jealous, my toxic traits.
SPEAKER_00If I if I talk to one of your close friends or to you, you know, one of your partners, what would they say is your most toxic trait?
SPEAKER_02I mean, they would just probably say I have a maybe a little just a little bit of an attitude.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Why is that? I don't know. I've just heard that before. Uh-huh. Yeah. I think I can get a little bit.
SPEAKER_00Like you act like you're too good.
SPEAKER_02No, I'm just very sassy. Uh-huh. And I maybe don't want to do a bunch of things. Like what? Like, I would never take out the trash. Um what else? Things like that. Who asks you to take out the trash? Well, one time my dad did. Uh-huh. One time, yeah. One time how many years ago? Yeah. I I don't know. I think just because I I can get a little sassy, a little snapbacky. Um And then you said, no, I'm not taking the trash out. Yeah. Basically, yeah. Or I would just go on a bike ride and I'd essentially run away. Uh-huh. What's the craziest thing that you've ever done?
Wild Travel Moments And Bedroom Honesty
SPEAKER_02The craziest thing I've ever done? I don't know if it's the craziest. It's a funny thing. What is it? Um, I went to a rodeo in the middle of southern Mormon Utah.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Um, this is pre-transition in short shorts with a generous gentleman.
SPEAKER_00Uh-huh. What do you mean by generous gentleman? What does that mean? Uh he was paying you? Sure. Okay. Yeah. He was a hotelier. What does that mean? He Like he had a bunch of hotels?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Um, and so we were scouting one in Mormon, Utah. Uh-huh. Because it was like, it was so gorgeous. Actually, Southern Utah is like my most beautiful place to me. But we were in the middle of a rodeo in like Mormon, Utah, and I was just, I don't know. Isn't that crazy? Oh! We took pics at a waterfall of me, and I didn't know that it was a busy waterfall, and uh my clothes had come off, and we were taking a bunch of pics, and then people just stumbled into me in the waterfall taking pictures. Naked. Yeah. What was their reaction? Oh, they just turned around. Oh. Yeah. I was like, huh, what can you do?
SPEAKER_00What is the craziest thing that you um wish to do?
SPEAKER_02The craziest thing I wish to do?
SPEAKER_00Is there anything crazy that in your life you want to do?
SPEAKER_02I'm not an adrenaline girl. So nothing, I don't want anything that's gonna pump my adrenaline.
SPEAKER_00Um like skydiving would be out of question for you.
SPEAKER_02Correct. I mean, I don't know if like okay, I don't know if nude beaches are crazy, but like I've been to them alone in different countries, like in Spain.
SPEAKER_00Do people just look at the nude beaches, or do they like they're just like walking around and nobody pays attention?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, nobody cares. Everyone's naked and everyone's just like at the beach chilling and swimming. But there was this very good-looking couple, boy and a girl, and they were both looking at me. Well, I'm like, sorry, I don't do thirds, but thank you.
SPEAKER_00You don't like threesomes. Correct. Well, not that way. Okay, so you mean two guys would be okay, but no threesomes would be a girl. That's correct. Uh-huh. Okay. Um is there is there particular reason?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because I get jealous, remember? Because I get jealous, that's why. Uh-huh. Interesting. And I like to be spoiled, so that's how I see it.
SPEAKER_00Uh is it um how do you feel about your partner watching porn?
SPEAKER_02I don't care. It doesn't matter. No. It's literally just entertainment that is it's entertainment, but it is sexual of sexual nature. I mean, I don't care if he watches SpongeBob, so why would I care if he watches porn? Like he's just entertaining himself.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Does height matter?
SPEAKER_02No.
SPEAKER_00If a guy is 5'5.
SPEAKER_02I think it matters more if he's 5'5, I mean, I would expect him to be very handsome, muscular, uh-huh, well endowed. Um, but obviously I guess it's a it's like a curve. It's a grading curve. Uh-huh. Sure. For heightened traits. Uh-huh. But height does not matter now.
SPEAKER_00Got it. Okay. Um, final question. Does size matter?
SPEAKER_02Based off my previous answer, yes. Um I'm a size queen. So like I low key on a shirt that says it, just so everyone knows. What does that mean? It means I just I only like I just like it big.
SPEAKER_00Okay. Have you ever had an experience with somebody with a micropenis?
SPEAKER_02No. Okay. Just because I mean I'm not so shabby myself, so I prefer bigger.
SPEAKER_00How big is big? I guess what's your preference on that? Starting at eight. Starting at eight. Yeah. Okay. Um, understanding that average is five. Right. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Well, I I said I'm a size queen. I didn't say I'm a size, not care at all. Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So so is that a question that you have when you meet someone?
SPEAKER_02How big is it?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yes.
SPEAKER_02Like if I'm at a club and a guy's hitting on me, I'll say, how big is it? Or can you show me a picture? Because they'll also always lie. They'll always they'll always say it's big. And then so I'm like, okay, then show me a picture.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_02And then if they say I don't have a picture, that's a lie. Who doesn't have a picture of their wiener? I don't have a picture. Okay, well, I would just assume you're lying.
SPEAKER_00Okay, first of all, I don't understand when people send dick pics. Why? I think it's fucking insane. I think it's fun. Okay. So you get a lot of dick pics, yes? I'm assuming. Yes. Okay. And your response is that it's fun. I mean, if I'm if they're warranted, yeah, I think it's fun.
SPEAKER_02But they're not the ones that you're getting. Just like getting like random picks. Sure. I mean, I think it's at that point, it's silly buffoonery. Uh-huh. But I mean, I'm so quick to laugh. Like, I will laugh at anything. So I personally find it funny. I'm like, oh my God, why would this person send me this? I don't even know them. And like they don't even say hello. They don't have a profile picture, but this is what they say. This is how they like, babe, I want you so bad. Here is this unattractive wiener picture. Like, oh my God, you are really shooting your shot.
SPEAKER_00But then you think it's fun when you're talking with somebody that you're interested in.
SPEAKER_02Love, love, love that.
SPEAKER_00Interesting. Interesting. And then, and okay, so the automatic assumption is that somebody doesn't have dick pics. They're lying about their size.
SPEAKER_02If they said it was big.
SPEAKER_00Because anybody with a dick pic with a with a big dick would have photos. They would want to show me. The desire to show you has nothing to do with with the with the with the fact that whether or not they have it.
SPEAKER_02But I'm not I have been with people who have surprised me where I like didn't ask the question. I like didn't care. Because there were other traits that I was just like, whatever, it doesn't matter. Because like, yeah, I am a size queen, but I mean if you're so handsome or if you have like nice muscles, um, I'm not gonna say no. Uh-huh. Yeah. You'll sacrifice the size. Like it's a race, it's like a math problem. Got it. Right.
SPEAKER_00Got it. Got it. So as long as some of those boxes are ticked, then as long as the numbers are high enough and elsewhere.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00You're funny. Okay. Well, thank you for coming on the show. I'm glad I can make you giggle. Yeah, it's hilarious. Um, and thanks for your openness and honestly. Wish you all the best.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, thanks for having me. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00Thanks for watching. We'll see you later.