Fun Homeless In Florida Ft. Christine - Ep.189

Special thanks to Christine for being a part of this episode of Unattainable Podcast Show 

We talk with Christine about how reality TV chaos, living out of her car, and a major confidence shift reshape what she wants from dating and life in Los Angeles. We get honest about cheating patterns, communication habits, and the line between having standards and protecting your peace. 
• what “Love Overboard” is like and how the timing upends her housing and job 
• living in a car in Florida, the freedom of no routine, and the hidden stress 
• why LA feels more creative and merit-based than New York or Miami 
• repeat cheating stories and what toxic on-and-off cycles do to confidence 
• the moment her self-image changes and her standards tighten 
• modern dating hot takes, loneliness, and refusing to settle for comfort 
• social media misconceptions, being underestimated, and choosing attention with purpose 
• music as a lifelong goal, writing songs since childhood, and the role of illness 
• personal red flags, texting avoidance, and why making plans can trigger anxiety 
• worst first dates, influencer behavior, and manipulation tactics that work too well 
• monogamy goals, dominance dynamics, and what “fit into my life” really means 
• phone privacy, trust after cheating, and sexual safety debates around condoms and porn 
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Transcript

Cold Open Confessions

SPEAKER_06 0:00

My name's Christine. I'm 27 years old. I live in Los Angeles right now, but I'm from everywhere. Some of us were put on the downside where we had to do chores and serve the people on the top side.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Four months before that you were homeless?

SPEAKER_06 0:15

Pretty much. I like to call it fun homeless. So I mean I've been writing songs since I was five. Biggest red flag is I don't reply to people. It was nice having that freedom. Um, I never felt like I had to be somewhere. If I wanted to go to a different state one day, I could literally just drive there as long as my car would get me there. It was literally glee. Like lit and the same like kind of drama. We had two different a cappella groups that hated each other too. He's very smart and he was able to play his cards very well. I don't fuck personalities, I fuck people. I just like randomly woke up one day and I was like, shit, like I'm like really hot. I was on my phone during it, and then I lied and I said, hey, my mom texted me. And he was like, no, she didn't. And I was like, okay, we'll leave. And that was that, and then he stole 20 bucks from me. If I have bad, I'm out for two weeks being like, what am I doing in this world? I either catch feelings really quickly or like not at all enough.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Welcome

Meet Christine And Love Overboard

SPEAKER_00 1:14

to Entertainable. Glad to have you with us and hope you continue to be a part of our family for the Forceable Future. And if so, please hit that subscribe button. I am Mohammed Mwai here with my amazing co-host, Zach Evans, and our newest guest, Christine. Welcome. Hello. Introduce yourself, where you're from, what you do, how old you are, and your relationship status.

SPEAKER_06 1:33

Yeah, so um my name's Christine. I'm 27 years old. I live in Los Angeles right now, but I'm from everywhere. Um I uh do social media, I'm starting to do music, just did a reality show, and I am single as hell.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Yeah. What was the reality show?

SPEAKER_06 1:53

Uh it was Love Overboard. It's on Hulu.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

Nice. What what is the reality show about?

SPEAKER_06 1:57

Yeah, so basically it was a bunch of people stuck on a ship, a bunch of really hot people, stuck on a ship, and uh some people were on the top side, they got to live the luxurious life, and some of us were put on the downside where we had to do chores and serve the people on the top side, which obviously it looks like it, right? I loved doing that. Uh, but yeah, the hotter people were downstairs anyway.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

So that's funny. When did you um when did you move to LA?

SPEAKER_06 2:25

I moved to LA in October. Um, and before that, I was traveling around Florida actually in my car for like four months.

SPEAKER_00 2:32

Oh wow. Yeah. So October 2025, you moved to LA, and then four months before that you were homeless?

SPEAKER_06 2:39

Pretty much. I like to call it fun homeless, right? Because I was having a good time. Like I wasn't sitting and sobbing about anything. We were partying, we were hitting the gym. Um, but I had a lot of great people that uh helped me through that time. So it was uh pretty steady.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

What's living in your car like?

SPEAKER_06 2:56

It's interesting. Um, I drive a little teeny tiny Ford Fusion, so I can't say it was the most comfortable experience, and it was with everything that I could fit in my car to, so

Fun Homeless And Car Living

SPEAKER_06 3:05

like as much as I could carry. Um, but I spent some nights in like hotels. Um, I had a really good friend let me stay with her for three and a half weeks, even though she lives in like a little shoebox apartment with her fiance. Adorable. He used to like make us dinner every night. Honestly, 10-star hotel, if that's even a thing. But um, it was tough at times. Lots of fun planet fitness showers, don't recommend. Um, but it was nice having that freedom. Um, I never felt like I had to be somewhere. If I wanted to go to a different state one day, I could literally just drive there as long as my car would get me there. And um, everything was like a new adventure. I never had a schedule, I never had a routine, so it was nice on.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

How did you become homeless?

SPEAKER_06 3:49

Um, that is a really weird story. So I was actually called to be on this reality show like two days before it started.

SPEAKER_05 3:58

A different reality show.

SPEAKER_06 3:59

The one that I was talking about, like overboard.

SPEAKER_05 4:01

Got it.

SPEAKER_06 4:02

And I was like, hell yeah, oh crap, my lease, it ends like right as I'm leaving. What do I do? Do I re-sign my lease? I was like, I'm gonna figure it out after the show. Of course, we don't have any phones or connection to the outside. So I'm like sitting there on this boat, like, man, what's my next step? I have no idea. Come back, have to move all my stuff out in that day, and then of course I quit my job for the show because you know you can't just take a month off. And um didn't have any pay stubs to give to any new place. And I was like, here are my options right now. I could sign in a really crappy place that doesn't require it. I could bother my parents, which is like not really my thing, or I could just kind of vibe and see what happens. And of course, I chose to vibe. So but um it was definitely not a choice, but it ended up being a really great experience, honestly. Don't recommend it though, don't do it for fun.

SPEAKER_00 5:00

Uh-huh. So when you say it wasn't a choice, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_06 5:05

Um, if I wanted to progress the way I wanted to and chase after the things that I wanted to do, I couldn't stay in New York. And I definitely couldn't stay somewhere where I wasn't comfortable. So um, if I wanted to get out of there and start kind of figuring out where I belonged and what I wanted to do for real, I needed to take off. And the only way to do that was to live in my car.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

One would argue that would be your choice now.

SPEAKER_06 5:29

I mean, to a degree. I mean, as long as I wanted to like follow my life path, the choice was to follow the path that I think I'm destined for. However, not really to live in a car.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Wait, so this was in Florida.

SPEAKER_06 5:41

This was in Florida.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

That's crazy. So I I used to date a girl who used to live in a van.

SPEAKER_06 5:46

Okay, cute.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

But she was in like Hawaii and then LA.

SPEAKER_05 5:49

Okay, but that's a vibe.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

But but Florida, that's like humid. Like, that's like brutal. Like LA, Hawaii, you can just open your windows. Like, no matter the time of year, you're gonna be fine. Florida, you gotta be like sweating in that thing.

SPEAKER_06 6:02

Like, it wasn't great. But you know what? I found a lot of like, first of all, planet fitnesses are everywhere. I spent most of my days in there. They have like desks and tables and stuff, coffee shops, and then at night, it wasn't that bad typically, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Because it cools down at night a little bit, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 6:20

And like if it was really bad, I would just hit up somebody I knew and be like, yo, you got a couch for a night. And like, people are pretty cool. I've got some cool friends, everybody was really chill about it, and um, lucky I had known people in Florida, they helped

LA Vs New York Vs Miami

SPEAKER_06 6:32

me along a lot.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

So what made you want to move to LA?

SPEAKER_06 6:35

So I kind of had a vision of moving to LA for years. I visited like two years back, and it was the most fun trip I've ever had. Everybody was so creative, everybody dressed kind of like funky, everybody was on their own vibe. Nobody took life that seriously, which I thought was really cool. And um, then I went back to New York and I was like, okay, this place actually kind of sucks. It's just not me. Everybody's super dialed into like their nine to five and how people see them and like all about baggels. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

He's from Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_06 7:07

People are obsessed with the baggels. What's that about?

SPEAKER_01 7:09

I've been telling people for years LA is better than New York, and everybody argues with me. And I think it's almost just trendy to argue at this point. Yeah, like it's like trendy if you like live in LA to be like, oh, New York's so amazing, and like that's always what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

I'm like, no, I've been there.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

It's not that it's fucking cold. Here, the biggest reason that LA's better is like what what the cities prioritize, like what they value, right? So Miami values like flash, so like money, Lambos, bottle service, whoever can like spend the most amount of money to try to get laid. Absolutely. And if they fail, then blame it on feminism, right? Like that's like Miami documentary.

SPEAKER_06 7:44

Pretty much, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:46

New York is all about like pedigree.

SPEAKER_06 7:48

It's like Yes.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

My dad donated to the library, and like he paid my like overpriced like Ivy League tuition, so I'm cool because my dad has money and like sent me to some school, right?

SPEAKER_06 8:00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

And LA is the only one where like your dad could be a janitor. Nobody gives a fuck if you like built your social media or you're an amazing musician or dancer and you have talent.

SPEAKER_06 8:11

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

It's about like you built this for yourself, and it's the only one of the cities that's about like what you built.

SPEAKER_06 8:16

Exactly. And it's also the only city of those three that I think have any kind of creativity. There are pockets in New York that are super creative, but honestly, none of it, it's all like so construed. Everybody wants to be seen a certain way, which of course is the same in LA, but at least people have their different niches. There's a bunch of different kinds of people. It's like when you walk into like a high school and you're like, okay, those are the nerds, those are the jocks. You have everything in LA. Yeah. Everybody wants to be the same in New York, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

And LA has hotter people.

SPEAKER_06 8:43

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

And people always argue on me this, but I will argue this till I die.

SPEAKER_06 8:48

Oh, hell yeah. I completely agree.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

I can see the argument for Miami if it's like, okay, that's your type. Yes. Okay, like I can understand Miami versus LA. New York, it's like just tall people that look like a little bit like aliens. You know what I mean? Okay, yeah. They have like a little, they're like, America's next top model. Look how hot this girl is. And I'm like, that's America's next top model. Like, that girl looks like a skeletor, like uh, you know what I mean? Like, it's not like actual hot people, it's like somebody in a skyscraper who wants to sell you clothes told everybody, no, no, these are the hot girls, the ones that look like aliens, not the ones that are actually hot.

SPEAKER_06 9:24

100% agree. It's like the model hot versus like the colloquial hot.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Yeah, like people always knock Instagram models, like, those aren't the real models, but I'm like, these are the models that are chosen by the people.

SPEAKER_06 9:35

There you go, the people's model.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

It's not like Gucci chosen Louis, it's like the people, the democracy has spoken, and they have chosen the real models, which is the Instagram models. I'm sorry, I'll die in that.

SPEAKER_06 9:46

I actually completely agree. Never thought about it that way, but I think that's my new way of thinking because you're 100% right. It's true. And then even with like the men, it's all like finance bros or like really like sketchy, like frat boy kind of vibes. Like, not into it at all. And the same thing in Miami. It's like a bunch of frat boys that randomly like came into money from crypto.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

So it's all the crypto guys in Miami.

SPEAKER_06 10:08

Literally, and everybody's got a car that like is worth more than their rent.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do like Miami though. I do like Miami. It might be like a lot of people.

SPEAKER_06 10:16

I like the party in Miami a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Miami's like, if not LA, then Miami, then maybe like Scottsdale or something. New York would be like 12th. You know what I mean? Like New York would be like 12th on the list.

SPEAKER_06 10:26

I don't even know if it's that high up for me. Like everything's like, international. Then it's like, dude, there's no way.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

Then it's like 250.

SPEAKER_06 10:32

I don't even know if I know 12 states, but somehow I'm putting it farther down the line. I'm just not a New Yorker. Sorry to my like New York people, but like they know.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where are you from originally?

SPEAKER_06 10:43

Um, I was born in Tampa, Florida, and then very young, moved to New Jersey.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_06 10:48

So, and then I went to college back in Florida. I was like, oh my god, full circle, transferred out real quick.

SPEAKER_00 10:53

But you grew up in New Jersey.

SPEAKER_06 10:55

Yeah, definitely grew up in New Jersey.

Cheating Calls And Early Breakups

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Gotcha. And how many relationships have you been in?

SPEAKER_06 11:00

I mean, it depends how serious you count them. Um, definitely been in like four serious relationships, but I was like a micro relationship person for a while. Like, you know, situationship, except for maybe like a little more serious. Um and then in the past couple years, I really haven't been in a relationship. I've been kind of steady on my own. I think it's uh a little bit healthier, especially because everybody's crazy now, you know?

SPEAKER_00 11:25

Okay. So four relationships. When when was the first one?

SPEAKER_06 11:29

My first serious relationship had to have been, I want to say my senior year of high school. I had a really serious relationship that lasted about a year. Um, he cheated on me. Really cute. Love that. Hey, Max. Um, but uh that one lasted for about a year. I went off to college, he was younger than me, and when I left, he kind of just went bonkers. He was like, Why would you leave me? Oh my god. I'm like, bro, I'm getting a degree. Like, I gotta do this. So um definitely, yeah, pretty young, pretty young.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

Okay, and what how did you find out he cheated on you?

SPEAKER_06 12:03

He actually called me. He um, it was his birthday, and I had a test the next day. So I was like, I gotta go like to sleep early, but you know, you have your fun. Call me in the morning, I wanna hear how it went. It was like 3 a.m. I get a ring, and he's like drunk off his ass. He goes, I fucked this girl. They think I'm gonna fuck her again. I was like, okay. Ended up going to a club that that night, club space, sure everybody knows it. Um, and then I met my next boyfriend that night.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

So Okay, and okay. What did you ever talk to him afterwards?

SPEAKER_06 12:42

Um, yes. He showed up at my house uh when I came back home once and started throwing a damn fit. I can't believe I did that, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, and then we had like a little like talking phase for a while, but I had like started talking to the guy that I was gonna end up dating at some point, and um that became like a huge point of contention, of course. And then um he showed up at my college and was like, hey, I'm staying with you for a week. I was like, oh, grand, fun.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

So I don't understand. He he invited himself?

SPEAKER_06 13:15

Pretty much I well, we had originally had plans and bought these tickets, right? But my assumption was we're over it, you cheated, you're not coming, right? He came, he definitely came, and of course, I'm not gonna kick him out on the street. We had a decent week, I guess. Um, and then that was the last time I really saw him.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

So I'm assuming you guys had like a breakup sex.

SPEAKER_06 13:37

Maybe a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Uh sure, of course.

SPEAKER_06 13:39

But I gotta say, it wasn't the best, anyways. Like, he's in the bottom tier of like the people I've slept with, so nothing special, nothing to write home about.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

That's funny. Um, okay, and then so you move on from that, and then when's your next relationship?

SPEAKER_06 13:53

Um, it was pretty soon after that. So, freshman year of college, met this guy, also cheated on me. Um, we met at space that night, and then we hadn't talked for like a couple months, and then we matched on like I think he was Tinder at that point. I think I was still using Tinder. And um, he was like, Hey, you're cute. I was like, you're tall, what's up? And um, we ended up dating for about I want to say like 10 or 11 months. He moved to Washington, DC, and the whole cheating thing happened. Very interesting, right? So we met this girl on the street. I think we were going to Whole Foods or something when I was visiting him. And he was like, Oh, like here's this girl. I forget what her name was, who cares? And she was like cute, whatever. And I was like, Oh, like nice to meet you, we had a great time. Next time I visit, I see on his phone like just pop up a Facebook message. I'm like, who uses Facebook messages? What's going on there? And it said, had a lot of fun last night. Let me know if you want to try a different wine next time. I was like, You never told me that you were going to like hang out with his club president, by the way, like of his crypto club, crypto. You see what I'm fucking saying? These crypto guys.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

I can't trust them.

SPEAKER_06 15:05

Anyways, so I was like, you know, you never told me that you were uh hanging out with this girl last night, like whatever. He was like, Oh, it's no big deal. Like, she's my club president. I was like, you know, who might have doubt you? I trust you, whatever. Next thing you know, like two months later, I get a call from him. He's like, yo, like, and I'm on my way to to uh, well, we were on break, so I was on my way to Florida because that's where he lived. And I was literally physically on my way there, and he's like, I don't think this is gonna work. I was like, yo, I'm literally headed to Florida right now. I'm on a plane. How are you gonna say that? Um, and then we just never I never replied to him. Not once. We never had another conversation ever. I just and it was over like text, I think it was. He didn't call me, it was over text because I was on the plane, didn't reply to him, and then he blocked me and my friends on everything, but forgot one of my friends. And he had posted a uh anniversary, not year, but like month or two anniversary for that chick that he was hanging out with that night.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

Huge mistake. You got you gotta put it on close friends, exactly. You're never gonna be able to block all their friends. Like, come on. But I would know, but that's you know, if I was giving advice as well.

SPEAKER_06 16:13

If you're gonna lie, lie better.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Lie better, yeah. Don't be a don't be a second-class liar, be a professional liar.

SPEAKER_06 16:20

Exactly. Lie well or don't do it. Because you look stupid.

SPEAKER_00 16:24

Okay. And then afterwards you're um dating your next relationship. But you're in in situationships in between, or you're moving on to the next one right away.

SPEAKER_06 16:36

Um, I was not in a relationship for a while, actually.

A Cappella Chaos And Toxic Cycles

SPEAKER_06 16:39

I had a lot of situationships, then I transferred to Ruckers.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

I don't know what the fuck does that mean?

SPEAKER_06 16:44

Ruckers is a different college. So I was going to school in Miami and then transferred to Ruckers my third and fourth year. And um, oh God, I was in an a cappella group. So I was I was out there hooking up with a cappella nerds.

SPEAKER_05 16:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 16:58

God, and they all broke my heart too. No, but um, yeah, lots of situationships in between. Um, none of the guys at Ruckers were really high quality, gotta say. Um, so I didn't date anyone, but um definitely had my fair share of heartbreaks.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Okay. Why? What what what what was happening?

SPEAKER_06 17:20

Um, you know why? The a cappella community was really they were like left and right. They loved to like everybody was fucking each other. You would think that it was like a damn like whorehouse. Swear to god, like everybody was just going at it. Everybody slept with each other.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

It was like glee.

SPEAKER_06 17:38

It was literally glee. Like lit and the same like kind of drama. We had two different a cappella groups that hated each other too. It was crazy. Like the territory with wars, it was insane. They'd break out into song and like dance at each other. That didn't happen, but I mean it should have. But uh yeah, no, like so a lot of that. So there was no like seriousness, and I did like one guy a lot, but I think I just liked him because we were allergic to the same things, which is gluten.

SPEAKER_00 18:03

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 18:04

Right? Yeah. So I think uh there's a lot of connection there.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

There are a lot of people in LA who are allergic to gluten.

SPEAKER_06 18:10

So yeah, I'm in love with everybody here. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

Or can I say and then and then you and then you had your third relationship.

SPEAKER_06 18:19

So the four was just an estimate. I've definitely probably been with more people since then. But um, I had a really tough relationship that lasted a really long time, on and off, uh, with a horrible, horrible man. Um, and he was interesting. I actually went on my first date with him, and then I contacted somebody that we both knew, and I was like, hey, um, just a quick question, is this guy crazy? And she was like, I don't know, I don't know him that well. Let me give you some foreshadowing here. This man was crazy. Um, but of course, because he was crazy, naturally I was madly in love. So stuck around for quite some time. Um, but there was a lot of drama that went on there. Um, I can't even count the number of times that he cheated on me. I mean, he had a group chat full of like hundreds of people he was sending nudes to it was like a weird situation. Um, but that lasted for a little bit too long. I ended up lying to my parents about dating him because my parents hated him so much for like two years.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

What okay. How long were you guys dating?

SPEAKER_06 19:21

Um, I always say probably around like three, but it was like on and off. And when I say on and off, we probably broke up like 40 times. Like, I'm not even kidding. It was like a once-a-week thing. I was like, okay, he's gonna dump me today, probably, because he hasn't this week. So um I'm gonna just mentally prepare for it. Let me, you know, get a joint or two ready, some pizza, and be prepared, and then the next day he'd be right back. Christine, I can't believe I did that. I can.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Why was he breaking up with you?

SPEAKER_06 19:48

Um, we got in a lot of fights, and I'm not really a fighter. I'm more of like uh speak about my emotions person, but very candidly. And I think that anytime I had like a feeling or some sort of gripe, he took it very personally and he would see it as me attacking him. So let's say I caught him cheating, I'd be like, Well, that's fucked up, and he'd be like, Oh my god, you hate me. I should have hated him, but you know, it was the reaction of it.

SPEAKER_00 20:16

So why did you think it was crazy in the beginning?

SPEAKER_06 20:20

Um, honestly, it was just the way he went about things. He was moving so weirdly, and he would like first date or second date, he brought me flowers, introduced me to his entire extended family, and I was like, oh, like this is cute, and then all of a sudden went completely ghost, and I was like, that's weird. And then like a week later would come back and be like just as obsessed, like as if no time had gone by. It was like a really like strange situation, and I should have seen that as like a precursor to what was gonna happen. But um, I don't know, he was six foot four and blonde and had curly hair, and I I fell for it.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

So you have uh you have a um height problem, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:02

I think so. You can be a shitty guy, and if you're a little bit taller, I'm like, oh my god, be mean to me. Not actually, but like low-key kind of.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

So what's what's the height minimum?

SPEAKER_06 21:13

So I don't actually have a height minimum since moving to LA.

SPEAKER_00 21:16

Uh okay.

SPEAKER_06 21:17

I find that boys here are pretty damn short, but they're also pretty, so it's like, you know, whatever, you gotta sacrifice some things. But uh back in the day, it was definitely like six foot one minimum. Uh-huh. Because I felt like six feet, like you're probably lying. You know. Sure. And then uh six foot one, I was like, okay, so you're probably six foot, and that works for me.

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Like six one on Tinder. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 21:42

I mean, hey, I change my head on Tinder depending on like you know who I'm trying to target. If I'm like, okay, you definitely like short girls, I'm gonna go down to five three. Sometimes I'll go as high as five five if I'm feeling crazy.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Yeah, smart, smart. What's the shortest you've dated?

SPEAKER_06 21:53

Shortest I've dated, okay, shortest I've dated is six foot two, maybe. But like Shortest I've like liked. Oh my god. I liked this guy in LA kind of recently, and I he claims he was 5'10. He couldn't have been more than 5'8. Like there's just no way.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

Maybe he's counting the hair.

SPEAKER_06 22:13

Like it has to be. He does like fluff his hair up in like a really strange way. So like it could be.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

I'm 5'10 on my tippy toes.

SPEAKER_06 22:20

No, literally. I'm like, if I can wear my little like lifted shoes and be your height, there's no way in hell you're 5'10. But um, maybe I'm taller than I think. Who knows? Maybe that 5'5 is accurate.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

You're 5'7?

SPEAKER_06 22:31

I'm 5'4.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Oh, you're 5'4?

SPEAKER_06 22:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:35

Your lifted shoes are six inches?

SPEAKER_06 22:38

No, no, no, no. He wasn't 5'10.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

He wasn't actually 5'10. He said he was.

SPEAKER_06 22:43

He claimed to be 5'10.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

Got it.

SPEAKER_06 22:45

The shoes that I usually wear are probably around like three to four. Like they're like platforms. Ah. I got the big stompers on.

SPEAKER_00 22:51

Gotcha, gotcha. Okay. So the crazy guy you dated on and off for three years. Why why why weren't you what's the what's the mindset behind not breaking up with people who are clearly toxic?

SPEAKER_06 23:04

You know, I think at that point I was definitely a lot less confident than I am now. And um I also I definitely had a glow-up since then. So I didn't really, I wasn't used to guys liking me. I wasn't used to that kind of attention. And um, when he was in, he was all the way in. And for some reason, I think that like the ups and the downs, like the really negative and then the really positive, almost appealed to me. Like it kind of like tickled me a little bit, you know, in a very toxic way.

SPEAKER_00 23:30

Did you experience that growing up?

SPEAKER_06 23:33

You know, not really. I had a really amazing family growing up. My parents are like the most ideal couple in the world. I think that my mind just kind of wanted a bit of rebellion and like saw how typical my family's life was, and I was like, I don't feel typical. I want to be crazy, I want excitement, I want a little bit of heat, and uh, I think I looked for heat in the wrong ways.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

So um okay, and then once you break up, or I guess he breaks up with you in that relationship. Um first of all, when when were you finding out he was cheating on you? Or how were you finding out he was cheating on you?

SPEAKER_06 24:10

I found he was cheating on me like eight different times. So um a lot of the time, sometimes it would be okay, this is a crazy one. First time I found out he was cheating on me, he had gone to LA, right? And I was like, Oh, like have fun. We didn't talk too much while he was in LA. I'm not like a babysitter like that. And he comes back and I took his brother to um Great Adventure, like six flags, and I was like, this was my big treat for them, him welcome home, me to get better like friends with his family. And he hands me his phone and he's like, Hey, do me a favor, text this person. So I look at his phone, and his background on his phone is of him kissing a girl.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Oh man.

SPEAKER_06 24:53

I was like, No, he was dumb as hell. I was like, literally, what are you thinking, bro? Like, what I literally did this. I go, huh? And he was like, Don't do this in front of my brother. Don't do this in front of my brother. And I was like, Oh, I'ma do this in front of your brother. And guess what I did? I did it in front of his brother.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

So And then what happened?

SPEAKER_06 25:13

Um, we had like a huge fight. It was obviously my fault because I made a stink in front of his brother, you know, like minimal stink. I was like, I think I called him like cheater after like talking to him every time I would say a sentence to him, I'd be like, Well, cheater. Which, like, maybe not the most mature thing to do, but I was pretty pissed off.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Yeah, but that's like a cute way to call him out on his cheater.

SPEAKER_06 25:33

Right. I thought it was adorable. Like, if I was him, I would be charmed.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

I I I just I don't understand. What is what was his defense?

SPEAKER_06 25:41

That's the point. His defense was, I can't believe that you would call me out in front of my brother.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

Okay. So he tried to spin it around on you.

SPEAKER_06 25:49

He was big on that.

SPEAKER_01 25:50

The best defense is a good offense. That's exactly.

SPEAKER_06 25:52

It was he was big on that. Like, if he fucked up, I fucked up.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

But then you were never addressing the fact that that like that what what had happened was a problem.

SPEAKER_06 26:03

So not in that moment, but afterwards, we went back to his house, and um, you know, I do my best to address it. And then there were tears, and there was, I can't believe like you're on my ass, like you're like constantly like trying to tell me how I can be better. I'm like, bro, you fucked the girl. Yes, you can be a little bit better. Sorry. But um, yeah, we had a conversation, just didn't go my way.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

And again, it sounds like it never went your way.

SPEAKER_06 26:31

Not really. I was really when when everything ended, it was like how much did he weigh? Maybe like, by the way, six foot four, maybe like 135 pounds, 135 pounds lifted off my damn shoulders. I literally felt like I knew.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

He was six, four, hundred thirty-five pounds.

SPEAKER_06 26:46

He probably wasn't 135 pounds, but he was scrawny. I hope he seizes.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Okay. And and okay, so so the scrawny guy was cheating on you, yes, and you refused to leave him because he was tall.

SPEAKER_05 27:00

And pretty much.

SPEAKER_00 27:03

Uh-huh. And and I would did you not have friends that would say, like, yo, like you're like you're the problem?

SPEAKER_06 27:12

So I had one of my best friends. So I've had the same friends since I was like five years old. We're like ride or die type shit, like really intensely involved in each other's lives. I had my one friend Amaya, who is an absolute doll. She's an angel, and she was like, Christine, you're only hurting yourself. Like this guy, you think you're gonna end up with this person, and if you do, you think you're gonna be happy with him? And I was like, probably not, like, and still continued my bullshit. And um, actually, eventually, she kind of cut ties with me for a little while while I was with him. She's like, You're not yourself, you constantly seem like you're on edge, you constantly are worried about his next move. You're not progressing in your life, you're you're just kind of stagnant and doing nothing. And um, she was like, I can't see you until this is over. I'm sorry, I love you, but not gonna happen. And um, it continued for months after that, and then I finally cut it off and I messaged her and I was like, Holy shit! Like, I should have opened my eyes so much sooner, but unfortunately I didn't. And she came back with open arms and was like, If you need a shoulder to cry on, I'm here and I will do anything for you right now.

SPEAKER_00 28:18

So well, let's not sing your song too early. Tell us about your next relationship after that.

SPEAKER_06 28:24

Oh, okay. Since then I've really just had a ton of situationships. Um, but one sticks out in particular. Um, I was seeing this model from New York, and I was obsessed with him for like two years. Oh, I thought he was the bee's knees. And um part of it was that he like was like super nerdy, like whatever. Like he was very involved in like art and music and like TV. And I find people with like niche hobbies and interests that like are super passionate about it, like super cool. And um definitely was, I want to say, like, I don't want to use the word obsessed, but like a little bit obsessed, and I think he knew it, and um he's very smart, and he was able to play his cards very well. Tall. He was kind of tall, he was like probably his modeling profile says six two, it's not true. He's probably like six foot, maybe six one, if he's like feeling a little taller. I know, what a midget. Come on. No, but he he was doing his thing, and um everybody again was like he's playing you, but I was kind of okay with him playing me because sex was great and he was pretty and um he knew how to roll a joint, which was kind of hot.

SPEAKER_00 29:38

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 29:39

You seem pretty disappointed.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Well, not, I mean disappointed, but it's kind of uh expected at this point.

SPEAKER_06 29:46

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

You're kind of getting-dudes are like tall and hot, and that's it. Just like tall and hot, and whatever else happens, you know.

SPEAKER_06 29:55

Kind of. I mean, you're kind of on the right track.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

You ever think in your brain like maybe I should go for some ugly dudes? You know what I mean? Like, let me find like a mid, a nice mid-guy, but like great personality.

SPEAKER_06 30:07

How do you fuck a mid-guy? You put a bag over his head? What?

SPEAKER_01 30:11

You you fuck the confidence. You fuck his personality.

SPEAKER_06 30:13

It's I don't know about you, but I don't fuck personalities. I fuck people.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

A lot of girls, a lot of girls can fuck personalities. I've seen some hot girls with some weird-looking dudes.

SPEAKER_06 30:24

I think they're into that. I think it's a kink. It's gotta be.

SPEAKER_01 30:27

Maybe, maybe. It's gotta be.

SPEAKER_06 30:29

It's like feet. Like some people are into feet. Feet aren't sexy.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

Yeah, I mean, I agree with you.

SPEAKER_06 30:34

Just like those mid guys, you know, like what are you gonna do with that?

SPEAKER_01 30:37

Maybe, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 30:39

Uh-huh. Okay. So, okay, and then and then how did that end? Did he cheat on you?

SPEAKER_06 30:50

Um, no, actually, he was very communicative about his feelings from the jump. He was like, you know, we're not gonna date, right? And I was like, you say that, but um, no, but I like knew in my heart we were never gonna be together. So I like, you know, explored my other options, of course, and he knew I was too. Like, he wasn't like butthurt about any of it, he just like wanted me in his ranks. Um, and then I just fizzled out naturally, and then um I moved to LA, so that was like the hardcore not happening anymore type thing.

The Confidence Flip And New Rules

SPEAKER_06 31:24

And um, then recently he reached out to me and I sent a text back to him, and I was like, I don't think it's good that we're in communication at all. I've turned over a new leaf. I'm now a badass bitch, okay. Maybe formerly not, but I'm a badass bitch now. And now you have to be hot and nice. So and they don't exist, so I'm single as hell.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

What is this new leaf you're speak of?

SPEAKER_06 31:47

You know what? I had a major change in confidence, I think, somewhat time over the summer. I don't know what happened, but um, I just like randomly woke up one day and I was like, shit, like I'm like really hot. I'm getting into phenomenal shape. I feel really good about myself. I feel like the sky is my limit. And I definitely don't want to be with anybody who's gonna hold me back even remotely from what I want because I know that what I want is like totally achievable for me. So anybody who's gonna impede on that in any sort of way and like doesn't fit into my life, I just can't do anymore. It was great when I was young. When I was young, when I was really young, okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

Younger.

SPEAKER_06 32:27

You know, back in the old days.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

Uh-huh. Sure. Uh are you fully straight?

SPEAKER_06 32:31

Um, no, I'm not. I'm bi.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Gotcha. Um, okay. Have you dated a girl?

SPEAKER_06 32:37

Kind of. Um, we never officially dated, but we were exclusive, only one girl. And she got pregnant. And I was like, that's not mine.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Oh, you don't think?

SPEAKER_06 32:48

No, probably not. Gotcha. You know, I I do have a bio degree. I was just pulling from what I might know. But yeah, I was like, girl, that ain't mine. Nice knowing you, Chica.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

You never know. You identify as a dude.

SPEAKER_06 33:02

I mean, maybe I might have to, because it's a very confusing situation, right?

SPEAKER_01 33:06

A couple wide chromosomes swimming around.

SPEAKER_06 33:08

I mean, probab apparently, right? But yeah, so uh that kind of steered me away from that avenue a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

Uh-huh. So you just dated one girl who cheated on you and then you said no more girls?

SPEAKER_06 33:21

I mean, I don't even like to call it cheating because again, we weren't in a relationship. We were just like mutually kind of exclusive.

SPEAKER_00 33:27

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 33:28

And it was just news to me that she could be pregnant. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 33:33

So it sounds like it was news to her too, no?

SPEAKER_06 33:36

I think it was news to her too. She like went dark on social media, disappeared from the world. I was like, okay, girl.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

Okay. So, um, how old were you when that happened?

SPEAKER_06 33:48

Oh my god, how old was I? It was definitely after college. Um actually, maybe it was my it was sometime when I was at Rutgers, probably. Probably when I was at Ruckers, because it was after Miami, but my friend still lived in in New Jersey. So I think I was probably around 21. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

What's your body count?

SPEAKER_06 34:12

Honestly, I am not 100% sure because I don't count some things, but I like to safely say like 21-ish. But if you count what I count, like a little bit less than that, like I'm gonna say 17.

SPEAKER_01 34:27

I don't even know what that means. So girls don't count it for like I was drunk, it doesn't count.

SPEAKER_06 34:32

For me, it's more like if they absolutely suck and like I had to call it quits midway, like I can't count that. Like, I really can't. Like, you're not in my ranks for sure, but like or like someone you really want to forget, and you're like, Yeah, that was a mistake.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

Okay, so there are four people that you don't want to count. What are those stories?

SPEAKER_06 34:53

Um, most of them don't have great stories, they just sucked. But one was back in like high school, and I mean I was on my phone during it, and then I lied and I said, Hey, my mom texted me. And he was like, No, she didn't. And I was like, Okay, we'll leave. And that was that, and then he stole 20 bucks from me.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Crazy. Uh-huh. What why wasn't it good?

SPEAKER_06 35:17

Um, I mean, it was just super basic, right? First of all. Second of all, like anatomically, like, he's just not gifted.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

And anatomically not gifted. Uh-huh. And I also just didn't like him.

SPEAKER_06 35:31

Like, he was kind of a little piece of shit. I mean, he stole 20 bucks from me. That's a lot of money at that age. Like, I thought I was stacked until it was no longer on my dresser.

SPEAKER_01 35:39

So I had a girl see a hundred bucks in my David Buster's gift card one time.

SPEAKER_06 35:43

That's fucked up. I was so pissed. Nobody's talking to my name.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

The remote-controlled car, and I almost had enough points for it, and then she stole that shit, and I was like, fuck, I gotta start all the way over now.

SPEAKER_06 35:52

Bro, he's probably like, she is probably sitting there with like those little like weenie things that you wind up and they like go. Yeah, probably just laughing at you.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

Or one of those stuffed animal things, yeah. Maybe she's like thinking about you.

SPEAKER_06 36:04

Maybe she got it because she loved you so much. And she was like, you know what, this is Zack.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Yeah, I'm still I'm still upset about it. Who are the other three people that you don't want to count?

SPEAKER_06 36:12

The other three people are just it was just bad sex, not as interesting of stories, didn't get anything stolen from me besides my pride.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

So you were essentially suggesting that if somebody's not good and bad, then they're just they just don't count.

SPEAKER_06 36:28

I'm talking awful. I'm not talking like, oh, like.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

What was that got to do with anything?

SPEAKER_06 36:33

You know what? It's more of a mental thing for me. It's like, you know what? If I say it didn't happen, it didn't happen, and I don't have to think back to that moment because it was that bad. And you know what? Bad sex, low-key, like, gets you down. You know, like if I have bad sex, I'm out for two weeks being like, what am I doing in this world?

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Why not just go have good sex afterwards?

SPEAKER_06 36:54

Because what if they suck again? Now it's a double whim. You're doubling down on the bad sex. I don't have anybody in the reserves right now.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

You don't have repeat customers. You don't have a few.

SPEAKER_06 37:05

Yeah, where's my barracks at, guys? Come on.

SPEAKER_00 37:08

Do you catch feelings quickly?

SPEAKER_06 37:10

Um, I either catch feelings really quickly or like not at all, and I'm completely mentally removed. I think it's like if I vibe, which is not super frequently, um, but if I vibe, I'm like all in, and my brain is really like just can't be diverted from what I'm thinking. And I'm like, okay, yeah, this is the one. Like, they're amazing. And then if I feel like I won't, like I have a hard time replying to you, I see your name, and I'm like, later, maybe, you know.

SPEAKER_00 37:40

Do people think you're good in bad?

SPEAKER_06 37:42

Um, yes. That I will proudly say. They cut it out from my show, but one of the things that people like warned me about when um like the guy after we slept together on the show, he like came up and he was like, one thing, good puss and fired dome. And I when they told me that, they expected me to be so upset. I took a bow. I was like, damn, sounds like a good review.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

It is a good review, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:04

Little Mana didn't make it on the show because you know then I'd have the suitors come in crawling, but uh, you're a fucking cartoon. Ever heard that one before? Like what?

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Okay. Um, so okay. I was just like I'm so lost. The past two years that you've been single. Yeah. What's is there a specific reason for that?

SPEAKER_06 38:37

Um, you know what? I just feel like I haven't met anybody that um either one has the same feelings that I have for them, or two, vice versa. Like, you know, I have a really hard time connecting with specific people because I think I connect with everybody. Um, I'm very talkative, I'm very social, I can have a conversation with a wall. Um, and I think that kind of holds me back a little bit because I'm like, do I like you or am I really good at riffing with you? And there's a difference. Because I'm funny as hell. I be saying shit, and like I'm like, if you laugh, we're probably soulmates. Oh, wait, yeah, no, wait, probably not.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

But um I can't picture you having like a deep conversation for some reason. Believe it or not, not that you can't. I'm just saying I can't picture you. Like, I can picture you like it's always fun, it's always like high energy, and like, man, this is a blast hanging out with you know, you know, but I can't picture you like you know, when I was five years old, you know, blah blah blah like talking about like like emotions.

SPEAKER_06 39:31

I totally get that. Yeah, I mean, I totally understand that because I think I do keep it pretty like fun and light for the most part. Like if you ask anybody, Christine's a party, Christine's the fun, Christine brings the vibes, the energy, but uh once you like get past that wall, I like am probably like extremely deep, like almost to a l- I feel like I'm really good at reading people, got a pretty high EQ considering everything that I've you know, all the stupid decisions I've made. Um, and I'm really good at like getting down to the nitty-gritty, I'm expressing my emotions when they're there. It's just they're not always there. Sometimes life is just a party.

SPEAKER_01 40:06

And so do you think like the fact that you are more of the fun energy one and you don't have deep conversations off and you said you kind of have your wall up, is it like the fun partiness? Not that it's like not your personality, because I do think it is your natural personality. I don't think you could fake this, but do you think like a part of it is almost like a defense mechanism for like I'm like scared to open up, so I'll make a joke about it. You know what I mean? Like, I'll like do my thing.

SPEAKER_06 40:34

Oh, absolutely. And like I'll be completely frank about that. Like, there are situations where I'm like, man, this isn't really working for me. But you know, it would be really funny right now if I did this stupid thing and like everybody had a laugh and I got a little bit of attention, you know? And um, but it's not always bad because sometimes that defense mechanism does exactly what I mean mean for too, you know, like it'll make me feel better. I'm like, shit, like now I'm having a good ass time. Like, what's there to be sad about? And um, I think it does hold me back sometimes from like learning a little bit about myself and about other people. But um, when I get like one-on-one with somebody and we really start talking, I can like get into that deeper layer. It's just, you know, in especially in big social situations, I choose to be, you know, the light, the vibe.

SPEAKER_01 41:19

And do you think that's because like you've been cheated on like so many times, just like over and over? Because it seems like you've been cheated on a lot.

SPEAKER_06 41:26

Like there's only one man who hasn't cheated on me. Oh, I forgot to mention him because he's so boring, but he's amazing, amazing guy. He didn't cheat on me. He was great, he was great, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Um punch a wall.

SPEAKER_06 41:41

Most like no, I think that's definitely part of it. But also, I think that like I have a lot of um, you know, power over the way I feel emotionally. And so if I dig into those like darker emotions, those feelings, or like if I sit and I mill on something that isn't positive, I'm gonna start feeling that way. And I'm gonna like embody that. But if I change it and I'm like, okay, well, here's good things going on. There's always good shit going on. Like, come on, like always. Then I feel better, and the things that aren't like that are so you know heavy and weigh me down a little bit almost don't exist. So maybe it steers me away from encountering them a bit, but um definitely pushes me towards other better things.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

Nice. Um, what's your biggest

Standards, Loneliness, And Dating Takes

SPEAKER_00 42:33

uh hot take about modern dating and relationships?

SPEAKER_06 42:37

People shouldn't date until they get to where they want to be. I think that unless you're gonna be interesting. Well, I find that if I I mean personally, in my experience and what I've seen with my friends, in a lot of ways, and unless you find that perfect person, which I just think is very hard to do, and some people do, and that's amazing. And I've seen a couple people do that, but um, people with big dreams oftentimes get bogged down by having somebody else they need to, you know, worry about, whether it's especially in the social media world or modeling or something, people have to be really secure with themselves to date somebody who's online in a bikini or who gets a lot of attention from other people. And um, you don't see a lot of people who are like secure enough to handle that, especially these days. I mean, there are a lot of insecure men, and so if I can't find somebody who's going to be able to either support me in my career or push me even further in my career and what I want to be at some point, they're not for me. And I think that a lot of people don't see that, and a lot of people push themselves to have relationships, to have some sort of comfort. But if you find that comfort in yourself, you'll find somebody that I mean locks you in and you lock them in too eventually.

SPEAKER_01 43:50

Yeah, but I feel like that's like like hiding from the uncomfortability, and I don't think you can become. confident in relationships by like hiding from relationships and then magically like having some kind of like working on yourself moments. Like I think you get confident relationships by like being in a bunch of relationships and getting better at the skill of being in relationships. And like oh I got fucked over.

SPEAKER_03 44:16

Totally get that.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

Next time this person has acting sketchy well I remember this other person was acting sketchy. Maybe I should like think about this a little bit. Oh this other person like we got in all these fights oh now I'm realizing we just got in these fights because um they're like this like personality type and now next time I date someone that that's personality type I understand how to like deal with them. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 44:38

I do completely agree with you to a degree. However I think that with the whole like personality type thing I encounter so many different people a day and maybe I'm not romantically engaging with these people but I see how my personality rifts off of them and I see how we engage and I see what works and what doesn't and I'm really good at like compartmentalizing people too like if I meet somebody and I'm like okay this person's really good to like lean on like I can trust them to like take care of me if I need it. That's what their job is in my life. But then there are people who are just for parties like we only vibe when we're out but one on one we're not like having the same kind of amazing conversations you know everybody has their place and I think that just by engaging with a lot of people you learn that kind of stuff. And I've also I've been in a lot of relationships and I've been through the ringer I've experienced the worst of the worst and um once the best of the best the guy that I totally forgot to talk about. He was amazing again sorry um but oops but boring sorry oh my god boring but yeah so like I think I've kind of figured out what I want in the future I just don't think that I've met anybody who fills all those boxes for me. And I think that a lot of people settle because they are either so trying to get that companionship or like are so desperate to have somebody by their sides because they're lonely and um loneliness is just not something I feel anymore. And I think that's a good thing because when I do add somebody to my life it won't be that they're heading like next net zero for me. It'll be like amplifying like the most swag shit in the world so all the vibes um the guy that you forgot to mention he he was your he was one of your relationships yeah he was one of the more shorter lived ones um but he was great he was a sweetheart his family was amazing um he ended up moving to play professional soccer in Spain and so that's why that ended we stayed dating for like a month after that and then one night I called him and I was like this is probably not working we don't even talk he was like yeah no I agree but love you and I'm like love you too and very good terms. He still calls me every birthday to make sure that I'm good and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:57

You said he was boring? Why why was he boring?

SPEAKER_06 47:00

You know what um when we dated first of all was in a really weird time we dated during COVID and so we couldn't go out and do things together. We couldn't learn too much about each other in like how they interacted like with the real world and I think that's a really important part to like getting to know somebody is like seeing how they interact with their friends or seeing how they're out in public, you know? And we never got that. Everything that we did was one-on-one or with one of our families and like that's a super intimate way to get to know somebody but when you don't have the full picture it's really hard to fall that deeply in love with someone. I'm a very social person and I am very frequently in situations with a million people around me and I'm talking to all of them and like part of the way that I really like somebody is if I see that they're really good in those kind of situations too like I think that's adorable. If you can go and make a like stranger feel special after 10 minutes of conversation like that's hot. That's really hot and like you know I didn't get the opportunity to see all that with him. So gotcha um what do you think is a m common misconception about um about you I think there are a lot um I think that people think that I'm kind of dumb I make a lot of stupid jokes everything out of my mouth is like an attempt to be funny um and

Social Media Misconceptions And Attention

SPEAKER_06 48:18

I'm pretty damn smart you know I've got a degree in bio I almost went to med school um I was the president of a multi-state buying surgery company for years or uh for their marketing team and I think that people underestimate me because of what I do now. I do social media half of my posts are me in a bikini half of my posts are my abs you know people kind of reduce me down to that and um then I like say something that's like interesting or like I post about something that I used to be super into back in the day and people are like who is this person? Even like in the advertising for my show it's like there was one article that came out about me and another girl from New Jersey and the title was what was it? Oh it was the brainiac and the bombshell guess which one I was the bombshell? Not the brainiac right so um and you know they like kind of diminished my um job when the articles all came out um nobody checked my LinkedIn okay um and so I feel like you know people kind of just like see me as like somebody who can't like stand on their own too much. You know they see like the pretty girl thing and they kind of like don't know where I came from.

SPEAKER_00 49:25

Mm-hmm interesting. And then um why did you decide to move into this social media career path instead of the you know being smart?

SPEAKER_06 49:36

Yeah well I mean I have a ton of reasons. I was really good at my old job but I never felt fulfilled it was miserable going to work every day. Everybody around me knew it. I was the youngest person in my field and I was one of the few girls in my field. And while that was like a really cool like thing to say right I just didn't feel like it was my spot and I didn't feel like that was what I wanted to do my whole life. I think if I had locked in on that I would have made tons of money and been miserable. And I was like I'd much rather be doing something that I've had fun doing than remain in something that just doesn't feel like I'm meant to be there. And um frankly I and I'm very I admit to this fully I love attention. I do and I also think that some of the things I say like need to be heard by like more people. I am all about positivity and being good to people and I don't think that enough people preach that and I don't think enough people use their platforms to like communicate something good. A lot of times it's just I'm sexy or I'm you know whatever here's this product but I think that hearing something about like you know how you should be interacting with the world and like how you should handle friendships is like a huge thing for me. Like I talk a lot about friendships. Yeah I just think it should be heard by more people and I like to speak on it. And the attention thing.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

Why why do you think you love attention so much?

SPEAKER_06 51:01

Um I always have I always have you know I was maybe like five years old and dressing up in stupid outfits running around like screaming and writing songs and I always wanted to be the on stage and I don't really know where it stemmed from but definitely was my whole life. I have a picture of me on Facebook don't look for it um where I'm wearing like a colorful mohawk with like a bunch of crazy clothes on and I was walking around town and I didn't care what people thought as long as people were thinking. You know what I meant? You know what I mean? So yeah I think it's just always been a thing for me. I think it's just uh no matter what people are thinking as long as I'm out there and people are seeing it I can like see it as a positive thing.

SPEAKER_00 51:47

Is starting to do music a reason why you you're doing is is this the reason why you're doing good the the wanting attention or are you actually like

Music Dreams, Illness, And Identity

SPEAKER_00 51:57

music?

SPEAKER_06 51:57

So I wanted to be a musician since I can remember. I have always been a singer I used to sing opera back in the day and um I didn't love that but it was like any excuse to be a part of music and when I was growing up I was like pretty sick and when I was sick my dad we like got this a huge sound system which was like state of the art back in the day. Now it's like normal but um one of the big things we would do is when my dad had a day off or something he would come sit in my room and he would show me all of his like albums and stuff and so I got really into rock music and my dad like thrust it upon me like every time I was ill or like couldn't get out of bed or something. That's what we would do all day. And so it just became a super important part of just like being therapeutic for me. Like if I wanted to calm down I'm listening to music. If I wanted to like feel good about myself I was gonna sing. If I was gonna like try to like get through my feelings I was gonna write. So I mean I've been writing songs since I was five. They sucked but I remember every lyric.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

Okay. And did you ever experience any trauma growing up?

SPEAKER_06 53:07

Um yeah I mean everything or just in general I guess yeah I mean well definitely in general but growing you know growing up I was really sick for a while and we couldn't figure out what was going on. Turns out I literally just had celiac disease and we did all of this testing went from hospital to hospital for like years and only thing that people could tell me was like failure to thrive which is just a diagnosis that means you're not growing you're not like physically maturing but we don't have a reason why. And um believe it or not I don't really remember those parts of my life. I think like they kind of like disappeared from my head. But um and then of course 2009 stock market crash was very intense. My family got hit very hard and things changed very quickly. I luckily had parents who looked out for us intensely and they kind of tried to not let us get clued in on all that stuff. Christmases were always still big somehow whether whatever they had to do they were gonna do it. But you know I mean it all added up to like one thing I mean seeing how my parents took care of me in that time and kind of like experiencing all the things that I experienced I got to like lock in on my hobbies and like see what made me feel better and a lot of the things that I enjoy doing today are things that made me feel better back then.

SPEAKER_00 54:21

So nice um what is the biggest red flag about you?

SPEAKER_06 54:27

Biggest

Red Flags, Texting, And Plan Anxiety

SPEAKER_06 54:28

red flag is I don't reply to people I can't I look at my phone and I'm like man I really like this person. You guys are great friends to me and I love you so much and you know I'd kill for you but having to text you the word yes right now sounds like such a chore so I straight up won't reply. Also I think I'm very outspoken so um I'm not gonna like beat around the bush to like protect people's feelings but I'm also very positive so like I'm not hurting feelings out there but I will say exactly what I feel like when I feel it you've been replying to me oh well of course yeah I replied you more than most people if you always I've got like 3,000 unread texts but it sounds like you're capable of replying I'm capable I when I texted you this morning or like it was this afternoon you replied like within seconds. I should get a round of applause for that I'm always on my phone I'm always on my phone. If I can like get a sense of urgency for something I will but like for instance I think you just don't r respond to people that aren't a priority. And I think that very few people come up as a priority over myself which sounds selfish but you know I'm trying to guess where I will give you here's where I will give you a little bit of leeway on that.

SPEAKER_01 55:40

Uh-huh I didn't understand originally like when I first moved to LA yeah how many fucking text girls get and then I was like dating this girl and she was showing me her phone it was like fucking you know like this guy that I met at a party this guy who I met like six months ago at a party this promoter this this rich guy who's like old and he wants to like be my sugar dick all the rich old guys. It was like a machine and a and then you're a social on top of that so you probably like meet way more people because you're probably out there yikyaking with everybody you know everybody so like at some point it does it's like yeah like at some point it's kind of like a full-time job like to respond to text and it's like I you don't owe people anything so I kind of do understand that yeah you know what I mean but like I want to be better at it like it's one of my things that I'm like trying to lock in on it's just when I then try to lock in on it it feels like a job again. Just get a get an AI machine to do it for you.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

Honestly but nobody can nobody can AI this kind of pizzazz so it it sounds like when when somebody sends you a message that you don't reply to is mostly people that make you have to make a decision on what it is that you are going to do in the future.

SPEAKER_06 56:56

A lot of times it's like people making plans kind of makes me nervous because I'm like if I in that moment don't want to go to these plans then I'm gonna feel really bad but I'm gonna cancel like I can't go to something I don't want to do like I can't make myself do it. And or like a lot of times it's like people ask me out on dates I'm like you seem amazing but can I see myself maybe I don't know you very well but in my first thought can I see myself dating you I'm like probably not so like why am I wasting an hour of my time or even five minutes here texting you and I'll be very straightforward about it sometimes like you know people will like bombard me with texts and I'm like listen like I want to talk to you I think you're attractive I think you're funny but like this is already too much of a chore and like I don't see it progressing past a certain point so I don't want to put that energy in what's your biggest red flag about other people um biggest red flag in other people um I'd say people who can't like communicate you know if people aren't straightforward they beat around the bush love bombing I hate it I love it and I hate it you know I respond to it pretty well but but I also see right through it in that moment I'm like you're so full of shit but keep it coming but I will sit there and I'm like okay now we can't get married.

SPEAKER_01 58:14

Literally literally you know this might be in the matrix my life's pretty good in the matrix.

SPEAKER_06 58:19

Exactly I'm like I know exactly what you're up to and yet I'm okay with it right now.

SPEAKER_00 58:26

Do you feel like there's a difference between who you are while you're single versus who you are while you're in a relationship.

SPEAKER_06 58:32

Extremely oh yeah um I think I hold myself back a lot when I'm in a relationship. I'm like a very focused person when I'm dating somebody and um I give a lot of my energy to other people in general and when I'm dating somebody they become my top priority and so even over myself and that's really the problem. So I will do anything I can to help them. Like I remember with my ex, he had homework that he was struggling with he didn't have to do any of it. I would pick it up I would do his homework for him or like you know anything like that. If he needed a ride somewhere like an hour away but I had to pick him up an hour away I would still do it. I was like always that person and I don't know if that's literally or not literally I don't know if that's like a part of me that I could give up necessarily and so that's why if I'm with somebody like I need to make sure that they're gonna contribute to me as much as I'm gonna contribute that to like to them. So um did you ever experience anything crazy uh when you were dating people uh yeah I mean a lot of crazy things besides like the cheating I mean my ex was just like really intense. I

Nightmare Dates And Influencer Behavior

SPEAKER_06 59:34

mostly mean like when when going on like first dates oh my god I've had a million ridiculous first dates one first date was like oh my god this was actually crazy and I'm like still not 100% sure what happened but um so I met this guy on I want to say hinge and his name was like he had a bunch of different like fake names but his name on this platform was Prince right and he was a really hot blonde guy he like looked like he had a lot of money he was like oh like let's go on this date to like this like fancy like exclusive like club thing in New York where it'll be like quiet and like it's like a lounge. I was like oh sounds fun he was like I'll have a car pick you up I was like okay like fun and so I have a car pick me up and like as I like walk out they like more than one guy it was like I think two guys at this point like surround me and like block me as I'm walking into the car. I'm like what is going on? Okay I feel like uh like a celebrity and so I get in the car and I'm like on my way to New York I'm like okay like this is kind of weird. Nobody said a word to me and then they get on the phone they go she looks like her pictures and then he's like okay Roger and then they hang up I'm like okay this is really weird. So I get there and like at this point I'm like in their hands. I'm like if I die at this point like that was my bad decision I made whoops and so I get out of the car they're like parked next to like two crazy ass cars and all of those cars have guys standing around them right and then I get out of the car same thing. A bunch of guys surround me. I'm like walking around I don't know if you've ever seen Sweet Live Zag and Cody but like London Tipton's dad you know how you never saw his face? That's exactly how I felt like a bunch of giant ass dudes just like walking me into this place. So now we walk up there and now another guy has to confirm that I'm attractive enough to come upstairs. So of course I get the green light right and um we head upstairs I'm being walked by security guards and I walk in there and I'm like where is this guy? They're like oh he's right there I'm like where is this guy? Bro he's like 20 years older than his fucking picture. Swear to God no way he's under 50 and now I'm like how do I get out of here? I have no idea what's going on I sit down they make me like sit down next to him on like a little stool right and he starts asking me weird questions and he's like telling me that he's friends with Beyonce and I'm like sure you are sir. And then um I was like okay what do I do? He ordered drinks I was like let me run to the bathroom real quick. Couldn't even go to the bathroom by myself. I had a security escort to the bathroom and I was trying to run I was like holy shit like there is no getting away from this and then I come back from the bathroom I'm like texting my friends in there like yo I made a bad choice what do I do I'm like gonna get like kidnapped and um he starts like asking me about like do I kiss on the first date? Do I fuck on the first date? And like not that I don't do those things but I'm sure as hell not doing them with you. So of course I say no right and then he's like okay um do you want me to call you a car? And I was like yes please call me a car and so at this point no security guards anymore. I get to walk freely out because now I'm garbage. And um I went home and I told my roommates and stuff about this and she was like wait I have a friend who has a really similar story. I was like text her right now. Turns out we found three other people who went on a date with this guy. Everybody nobody knows his real name but he goes by different things on every dating app.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:10

Anyways that was probably the craziest one but I've got lots of those interesting um did you ever date any or get DMs from any TikTokers or influencers or celebrities?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:23

Yes I have can you talk about it or no um I can talk about some I would love to still be in the making so maybe not but like um there's a low level influencer back in the day and he hit me up and it was the weirdest date I've ever been on. It was before I dated that other guy and at the time he was like blowing up on TikTok he was like one of those army guys that just like mogs cameras and like for some reason gets a lot of views from it. He picks me up and his like friend is in the front seat of the car and he's like get in the back I'm like I'm desperate let's do it I get in the back of the car they're not talking to me they're like just like talking to each other and um all of a sudden they call this guy and this guy on the phone is like I'm gonna sue you for what you said about me. How dare you call me the F word blah blah blah blah blah I'm saying they're like oh my god this is up we still haven't even had a conversation what's going on and um they hang up the phone after like apologizing and as they hang up the phone they called them the word again and I was like all right like you guys are cool and then they were like you hungry I was like yeah I'm hungry okay like let's get the whole date thing going on right um they were like okay we'll go to Wawa so we pull up to a Wawa which I don't know if they have those here it's like a convenience store and so they pull up to the Wawa and without saying anything he gets out and then he comes back and he was like if you want you can go grab get yourself something I was like I was like get me home bro please and so um you know I didn't say anything naturally and he pulls over next to the beach and he tells his friend to get out of the car. So his friend it's by the way it's wintertime it's freezing cold out just starts walking down blocks right next to the ocean I'm like what is going on he's like get in the front seat I'm like okay and get in the front seat he made me sit for like an hour and watch his TikToks as he fucking mouthed them. He was like hey see this one he's like this in front of a camera I'm like yeah that one's real creative that was that one's a good one so um then his friend comes back he like drops me off he's like can I have a kiss goodbye and I'm like no I slept with him two years later not a good way like he was hot he was like hot at the time but now my standards are higher look wise.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:57

Are they

SPEAKER_06 1:06:00

And my friends would disagree.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:01

Yes. Okay. Um, you mentioned you got an Airbnb with with some guy with like two other girls or something.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:13

When?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:14

When you were like dating someone.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:16

Airbnb with two other girls.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:18

Like you got an Airbnb with some guy, and then two other girls showed up.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:22

Oh my god, you mean Coachella last year?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:24

Oh, is that what that was?

SPEAKER_06 1:06:26

Oh my god, this guy.

Coachella Triangle And Friend Loyalty

SPEAKER_06 1:06:29

Alright. So I was talking to this guy. I met him at a bar in New Jersey, and you know, for a New Jersey bar kid, he was hot. And I was like, let me get to know this kid, whatever. Like, we start talking. And he like starts like coming at me, like, are you in love with me? I'm like, no, I'm not supposed to be. And he was like, I can't believe you're not in love with me. Like all this like super duper like manipulate-y shit. And then we fell out for like a little while, and then he like came back with like full guns. He was like, Come over. And you know, he's like even hotter at this point. He glue up. I was like, all right, you know, you're stop twisting my arm, bro. Like, okay, I'm coming over. And um, he was like, Are you going to Coachella? I was like, Yeah, I'm going to Coachella. He was like, You got a house? I'm like, Yeah, I got a house. Why? He was like, Can I stay with you? I was like, Hell yeah, this is gonna be great. I'm gonna get late all day. It's gonna be awesome. And then he was like, Can I bring my two friends? I was like, Of course you can bring your two friends. Duh, why would I say no to that? So I knew they were girls, right? And I knew they were hot girls, and I was like, no problem, like I'm Mog. Frankly, they were just as attractive as me. But um, I was like, I'm Mog, we're good. And so they come, and all of a sudden I find out that he slept with both of them. I'm like, okay, this is weird, whatever. He had slept before, like, in the past at this point, that's what I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:56

Got it, okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:57

Then it comes to light that the day before they all drove up together, he had slept with one of them, and he slept with me at Coachella, and then three days-ish after Coachella, he slept with the other one. So now this was a weird situation. I kind of just clocked out of the whole thing. I was like, you guys live here, do your thing, you paid your part. That's great, made it cheaper for me. But um, me and one of the girls actually ended up being best friends, and she's my roommate now. So she's sick. We both decided we were like, yo, this guy is full of shit. Like, we should be friends. The other girl was in love with him.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:38

Sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:39

And so that didn't really translate to her being a part of the squad, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:45

Sure, sure, sure.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:46

Um, she's pretty butthurt.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:47

Was he good in bed?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:49

Um, you know what? He wasn't like my best, but he like definitely was decent for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:57

Yeah. Why do you think all three of you weren't were attracted to him?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:00

He is such a good manipulator. Like, I now see through his bullshit, but he somehow makes you feel like you're the one who's like stepping away and you get like guilty about it, and so then you're like, okay, I'm so sorry, let me give you my all. And then he like, you know, does what he does with it, and like he keeps everybody in the dark. And then because he's very pretty, he like gets away with anything, just gets away with anything.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:26

Okay, that's mainly what it is, is he's attractive, and you guys are just and he's dumb as a bag of rocks.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:32

Uh I told him that every day. We were all friends up until like two weeks ago. He said something nasty to my friend, and so I, you know, I become a guard dog. For me, the one thing is you don't fuck with my friends, like that's my limit. Then I get nasty. And he said something nasty to her, and I was like, Alright, well, you're getting blocked on everything by both of us, and so now he's like texting us on Snapchat and like watching all our stories, and I'm like, Yeah, bitch, be nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:02

Um, you you said that now you have uh high standards.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:07

I think that the highest standards are almost just like nobody, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:12

Gotcha. So you have no standards.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:14

I think it's I have nobody who fits what I think my standards are.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:18

So high that nobody exists that goes up to those standards.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:21

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:22

I worry about that.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:23

What are some of these high standards?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:25

I mean, I told you the thing, like, if you don't fit into my life perfectly, like, you don't, you're not gonna work. Um, I mean, I have a certain standard for how they look. I need somebody to be really smart now. I've dated a lot of dumb guys and I'm sick of it. I'm like, damn, I can't even talk about things that interest me because you just look at me like this.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:44

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:44

Um, also, I said something about niche hobbies earlier. I love a passionate person, somebody who's really into what they do, and it doesn't matter what it is. Like, swear to God, like one guy that I liked was just really good at Rubik's Cubes and cup stacking. And I thought it was so sexy. Cup stacking. Literally thought he was so hot for that. He was like nationally ranked.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:08

Zach has this thing where he talks about would you it's like one of the questions that he's asked people before.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:15

Well, girls all the time come on this show and they say, Oh, like, I like a guy with an who's ambitious. I don't care if he makes money or not. And I always bring up, I'm like, all right, what if he's really ambitious about the Rubik's Cube? You know, what if he's sitting there blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, yellow. I don't want a Rubik's Cube guy. I want like someone who's ambitious and like, yeah, something that makes money, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:36

We probably met a guy who's really good at balloon animals, and I think he's pretty hot.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:39

Crazy. We found the girl. We found the girl.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:42

We found the one who actually likes the Rubik's Cube people. That is hilarious.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:46

If any Rubik's Cube people see this, they're gonna be like, slide in the PMs, boys.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:52

Pick me, pick me. I can have like a competition.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:57

And everybody's gotta see how fast they can do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:00

Or in the coolest manner.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:01

That's funny.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:02

And that's the person I'm gonna marry.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:03

So do you think you're gonna get married?

SPEAKER_06 1:12:06

Um, I hope so. I hope so. But again, if it's not perfect, I'd rather be single at this point. I don't want to give my energy to anybody who doesn't deserve it. So I've done too much of that. A lot of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:19

Um do you believe is is the relationship you're gonna be in would be monogamous, or do you believe in open relationships?

Monogamy Goals And Power Dynamics

SPEAKER_06 1:12:28

So I do believe in monogamy. Um, if I was to do something right now, I'm not sure if I would be in like a monogamous headspace. I mean, and that's kind of why we want to like stay away from it because I don't really know how that would work with me mentally. But somebody I'm gonna end up with with in the future, absolutely monogamous and real family. And I mean, we'll be both hopefully doing things that are super like out of this world, but like traditional family style future.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:55

Traditional family style, but doing non-traditional careers.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:00

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:02

Like white picket fence, but we're gonna have like a big ass pool in the backyard and DJ playing all day.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:08

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Um, are you do you find yourself to be more submissive or more dominant or somewhere in between?

SPEAKER_06 1:13:17

Um, it depends what you mean. Like um in the bedroom or in like situations.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:22

Well, I don't know, you tell me.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:24

So um I think that I like flip-flop in most ways. I think that uh in terms of a relationship, I'm pretty dominant. I want what I want these days, and if you don't fit into that, like I just will straight up you're not you're not there anymore. Like done too much of that. Um, and also I'm very good at communicating my feelings. So like if I'm feeling something, I'm gonna tell you exactly what I feel. And if you don't reply like a man, then you're out, you know?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:53

Um, but you sound like you're on like shark tank.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:56

I mean, hey, I don't know if you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:57

You'll respond like a man like and for those reasons, I'm out.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:00

No, literally, that's exactly those stakes, those are the kind of stakes I want it to be, you know? Um, in the bedroom, definitely a little bit more submissive, though. Like, I need a man who can do what he does and do it well and make me feel like a little girl.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:15

Okay. Don't you think that that's where the struggle is? Where when you are attracting people who are more submissive because of your dominant personality on a daily basis, that then expecting them to be also dominant in the bedroom is not particularly realistic.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:36

So I know that I'm dominant in terms of my personality, but I also expect somebody that I'm with to be equally as dominant and for some reason it to like mesh, which is really hard ask, and I think that's why I haven't really found somebody that works. Um, but somebody who's very strong in their opinions, but also very good at like coming to a center. So very open-minded, not stubborn. There's a way to be dominant without being, you know, pig headed. And I think that that's how I am, and I'm very willing to make compromises, but I also won't get it go against like my core morals and my core beliefs and what I think I deserve. And I want somebody who feels the exact same way about themselves. They won't go against what they believe, they won't go against what they deserve like deserve, but they're willing to make compromises to make things work, and I think that's like really important. And then um, you know, I I still expect what I expect in the bedroom.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:25

So do you have a standard or a minimum for what a guy should make?

SPEAKER_06 1:15:33

Um, you know what? Not really. I would love to be with a guy who can both support himself and me, but I'm also pretty confident that at some point I'm gonna get to where I need to be on my own. And I think that if I find somebody that I love and I mesh with and they are still driven and ambitious, if they don't make money, but they're really involved in what they do and they're really passionate about it and what they do makes them happy, and in turn they're making me happy because they're so satisfied with their life, that makes sense for me too. As long as I'm making enough money to then counteract that a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:07

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Interesting. Um so if if if a guy that you now come across is tall and attractive and good in bed, but doesn't make any money, that's okay with you.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:24

I mean, especially right now, I'm like not looking to get married. Like I'm not where I want to be yet. So like I'm not super concerned about whether or not he's making a ton of money, you know? And like my idea of a date is usually something where I don't want to go out to like dinner and like spend 500 bucks, you know, eating caviar. Like, I want to go like paintballing or on a really cool hike or like spend some time at the beach or like learn a hobby of theirs or something, you know? Like something like active and fun. Like I like to have like legit fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:55

Is it fair to say that that that's what a perfect first date would be like?

SPEAKER_06 1:17:00

Yeah, I would say so. Um, I don't do dinner dates unless I really know somebody. If I'm like in a relationship, it's different. Um, but otherwise, yeah, like we need to be doing something active, or like even some people, like depending on their vibe, like I just want to sit on a couch and just chat in privacy where I can like get to know you really well and kind of dig in there and see like if this makes sense even remotely. Um, but yeah, no, like I'm not like uh expensive date.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:27

Well that's interesting because I think uh some girls would find that a big no-no because if a guy said like, hey, come over to my place and we'll just like sit and talk, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:17:39

I mean, as long as they actually mean sit and talk.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:42

Uh-huh. I mean that's exactly it.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:44

Like most of the time they don't.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:45

But I don't think anybody would. Like, like, okay. With the exception of probably a very few people. The the the the natural assumption would be that if somebody meets you, right, they're attracted to you when they ask you on a date. And so if they say, hey, come over to my place, naturally they would want to have sex, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:08

I think that I do a lot of vetting beforehand. And if I'm gonna go over to somebody's place, I either also want to sleep with them, or I've made it very clear that that's not something that's happening. And again, like I say exactly what's on my mind. Like, if I don't want to fuck you, I'm gonna say, but we're not fucking. And if they don't get that through their heads, then it's a no-go.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:30

Gotcha. Um Do you think that you should have access to your partner's phone?

Phone Privacy And Trust After Cheating

SPEAKER_06 1:18:40

So And vice versa. I think that I used to think that you should have access to your partner's phone. I think that I wouldn't mind everybody knows my phone password. Like, I have nothing to hide. I say everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:53

I mean everybody knows your phone password.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:55

I mean, I've got a really basic phone password. And I give it up to everybody. Um actually it's one one one one. So maybe I'm a little more clever. But like I tell everybody my phone password. I don't really care. The only reason I had it set in the like first place was in case like my parents wanted to figure out what I was up to like growing up, and so I just like haven't taken it off. But like everybody knows my password, my friends, even if I'm just hooking up with a guy, like if you see another guy texting me, like you should already know that. Like, I'm not like low key about it. Like, if you ask me if I'm seeing somebody else, I will tell you if I'm seeing somebody else. I'm not a liar, I'm bad at lying. So everything's out in the open. But um, I think that I would expect to allow my partner to be on my phone if he wants, but I was also expect him to respect me and know that I would tell him the truth. And I would hope that I could at this point in my life choose a good enough partner where I wouldn't ever think, like, oh, I need to go through his phone to figure out what he's up to, because he would be frank with me, hopefully. Maybe you're like, oh, she lives in such a dream world.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:06

No, I mean it's not it's not that you live in a dream world. I just think I think you have this um this perspective. You have a perception of yourself. And I mean this in the sweetest way possible. That I think it's extremely flawed and and incorrect. And and it happens often when people are kind of get get to this uh place where they're they become a bit delusional.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:52

And and and they most people don't really know that they are delusional. Okay. And that's that's why it's called being delusional. For sure. You know, we we we think that we feel or or or have a certain perspective of ourselves that it's just not what the reality is, and that sort of leads us to this place where we end up consistently um either doing the wrong thing or being put in a position where we get hurt.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:25

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:26

So and and and you know, it's it's it's it's good because I think you've you've pointed out that you you know you're not where you want to be in life. Yeah. And that you need to grow and you need to, you know, make changes. And so like you know, you're aware of that. And I think that's the first step for anybody to sort of be able to get to um a a place where they are actually improving. Yeah. So but I think there is just like listening to you talk, I think there is a part of you perhaps, and maybe I'm wrong, that is lying to yourself in order to make yourself feel better about your past, perhaps, and about what what's to come in the future.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:12

But I'm curious, what do you think I'm lying about?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:15

Oh no, I'm not oh lying to yourself. Um I I I think you I think you think that people that it's interesting, you said something with regards to um what was it? Uh there was something that Zach said he disagreed with.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:44

Um saying you shouldn't date until you're ready to date.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:49

Yes, yes, yes, yes. Um which to me what that sounded like when you were explaining it, which was it's it sounded like that you were saying that other people aren't ready to date me.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:05

I think that it's more about that I am not ready to date other people because if I date somebody now and in my past, it's just held me back. I mean, when I was in a relationship with that one guy, I was working a great job for sure, but I wasn't doing anything extra. I wasn't following what I wanted to do. Everything I did, I ran past him to make sure he was okay with it, and it just felt like I was being controlled by somebody else. And if I have a partner, I want to make sure that they're involved in what I do and okay with everything I'm doing, but things are gonna change a lot for me. I mean, right now, I'm just starting this new journey. I've got so much ahead of me and so many insane changes. Even in the past four months, my life has gone from one way to another, and it did the same thing four months before that. You know, I'm constantly evolving. And I think if I met somebody right now, they could like me and they could like what I'm doing right now for sure. But are they gonna like what I want to do down the line? Because what I'm doing down the line is not gonna change based on who I'm with right now, and I don't want to have to change anybody else's perspective or change anybody else's thoughts or what they want. And I think that it would just be more, you know, easy, like just easier if I'm where I want to be and I know what I'm doing, and I know what I want to do, and I've kind of got everything set on who I am and what makes me tick, and then find somebody based on that rather than you know trying to make somebody else fit my mold.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:36

Yeah, but it sounds like most of these people that you're attracting is purely based upon attraction and not compatibility. Because when when you describe like a situation where okay, where I am today would be okay with this person, but then where I am tomorrow might not be, right? Somebody who has had proper growth and somebody who understands how relationships work and how just you know being a human being works, they would understand that you could change at any moment in life. You know, it's not just where you are today, it could happen in 10 years, in 20 years, or in 30 years. So it doesn't really make that much of a difference. Yeah. So it but then because you're attracting these people that are purely based upon attraction, majority of those people are probably not even really looking for anything serious. But then if you're s feeling like, oh, now I'm so attracted to this person, I want this to work out, then that's kind of when you're lying to yourself.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:38

I don't really ever like sit with somebody these days. Back in the day, I absolutely did that. I would idealize people and be like, because this person's attractive, because we have a good time together, things need to work. That only makes sense. But these days, if something doesn't work, then it just doesn't work, and I'm not mad about it. Like I kind of just move on, and nothing really matters that much. There's a billion people in this world. Well, there's more than a billion, there's like eight billion people in this world. And you know, if one thing doesn't work out with one person, you know, there's gonna be somebody down the line. I'm not necessarily looking for something super serious right now. If I found the perfect match for me, like for real, yeah, if it worked, I would make it happen. But I just haven't met that person, and I don't think that now is my time to meet them. Just for some reason, I have a feeling that I need to do more growing and that I need to kind of figure out because I don't really have a plan. I have a lot of things I want to do. I have a million things I want to do, and I'm 100% sure I could access them, but I need to be locked in and I need to be focused on myself, and my energy needs to be focused on myself. And as I said earlier, if I'm with somebody, I put so much energy into that person, and I haven't found somebody who could put the same kind of energy back into me yet. And so, yeah, I do definitely go based off of looks a lot right now for sure. Um, but I'm not really looking for my husband yet.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:00

What's the oldest you've dated?

SPEAKER_06 1:27:03

Oldest I've dated. Oh my god, usually I date younger guys, but oldest. So you don't say yeah. Oldest I've dated, um I have gone on like a tiny date with somebody who's 38.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:19

That's 11 years older than me. 11, 11 years older than you. I'm 27. You're 20. Okay. Yeah. I thought you were 28 for some reason. Oh, I guess you're turning 28, isn't it? Yeah, about to turn 28. Got it. Um okay. And then you said he's how old?

SPEAKER_06 1:27:35

38.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:36

Okay. Uh-huh. And that's the oldest you've dated.

SPEAKER_06 1:27:41

Yeah, and I didn't know he was that old at the time, but it didn't bother me when I found out. No, it didn't bother me when I found out. It was just like he gave like fun, young, like hit vibes. Sure, sure, sure. And so I wasn't looking at him like, oh, like you're boring and old and you know, could be potential. Like somebody for my parents, you know. Like that sounded weird, but you know what I mean. Like parents' age.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:06

How old are your parents?

SPEAKER_06 1:28:07

No, my parents are like like 50s, 60s, but like, you know, I'm just saying like 38 is not that old.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:15

Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:17

Okay, I usually go for really young guys, Kay.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:20

I will say I literally go for guys who are younger than you.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:24

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:25

That's I mean, that you know, she's looking for pretty people. I guess, yeah, yeah. So you know, on it's true. They have to be young, pretty, and tall, and just fuckboys, essentially, is what she looks for.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:35

I do admit I will I will go for a fuck boy. I will. Fuck boys are a good time for like the short period of time they're around. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:43

Very short period of time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um does it does it bother you if your partner watches porn?

SPEAKER_06 1:28:50

Uh, not

Porn, Condoms, And Sexual Risk

SPEAKER_06 1:28:51

at all. Not at all. I mean, I watch porn.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:53

Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:54

I think um, I think that porn is like totally natural. I think that there's a point where porn can be destructive. Um, I think that if it's just something you like watch casually and like you're not like watching some crazy shit because you're getting like addicted to it, because it is an addictive thing. It really is. Um, I have known people who have fallen like way into the deep end and they like have told me they're like, I start watching like this crazy shit because nothing else seems to do it anymore. And I'm like, that's when it's a problem, or when it disrupts the sex that you're having with your partner for sure. That's also a problem. But um, in general, like, no, like if it's the right time and place, like let's watch porn together. Like, is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:35

I'm gonna assume the answer to this question, but the size matter.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:41

Um, it depends. Like, I mean, I don't really care as much as a lot of other people I know. I think there's a lot of girls that really do focus on that. But like are there? Yeah. Oh my god, yeah. I have I know so many girls who are out there making fun of half of you boys in LA just saying. Um, but for me, it's more like the artistry.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:06

Uh-huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:07

If that makes sense. Like, I love uh I love you to put on a show, you know? Like it needs to be like interesting, and that's what hooks me. Like, not to be weird, but like to be weird.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:18

Describe this show for us.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:19

Helicopter.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:21

I mean, Frank. Teach us something.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:23

That's hilarious. But like, you know, like I like like to be like super submissive, as I said. Like, tell me what to do, like make me, you know, feel a little bit like you know, like make me like you're a bitch. Like to be frank. Gotcha. I just like I like to be able to do it. You don't want to be slapped around. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:42

Gotcha. For lack of better words. Sure, sure, sure. Have you ever experienced a micropenis?

SPEAKER_06 1:30:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:47

You have?

SPEAKER_06 1:30:48

I have. How many times? Just once? You think I'm going back?

SPEAKER_00 1:30:53

Well, no, I mean like just one person.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:55

Okay. Yes, only one person. I was at Ruckers. And it was the first guy that I was hooking up with at Ruckers, and I was like so excited because he was so sexy. And I go to his house. I thought we were going on a date, right? But he was so hot, and like we started making out, and I was like, okay, fine. And like one thing led to another, lights were off, right? And I'm like, huh? What's going on? I was so confused. I was like, where the fuck is your penis, bro? Like, what's going on? And so um, you know, I request him to turn the lights on. I turn on the lights and I go, What is that? I didn't say that. But then I was like, holy shit, like, I gotta go. Like, my sister's calling me, we never talked again, he blocked me. Find out like two years later that this girl from my sorority also hooked up with the same guy. Again, he's beautiful. Hooked up with the same guy, and I was like, What do you mean you actually hooked up with it? And she was like, like, I I did the thing. I was like, What'd you do? She was like, we couldn't have sex. I was like, Well, clearly. I was like, So what'd you do? And she was like, two fingers. Swear to God. I was like, You're stronger than me, girl.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:06

That's funny.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:07

Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:08

Um I I I assume that uh this this is like a common theme in in what they experience, people with micropenises. I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:19

I also I I was actually talking about this yesterday. Maybe I should stop having conversations about micropenises. But I was literally talking about this yesterday. I was like, imagine walking around town and being like, yeah, I'm hot as fuck, but the second somebody takes off my pants, they're gonna know. It's gonna be right there. There's no hiding it. And there's no way.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:36

That might almost be worse than being ugly with a micropenis. Because hot with a micropenis, everybody wants to sleep with you. And then everybody like constantly, oh, not anymore.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:46

Whereas like if you're ugly, at least like they probably like you for your personality, anyways. Like if somebody's that too, yeah, that too. So it's like, okay, yeah, maybe you have micropenis, but you're you're dope. If you're hot, it's like, I wanted to fuck you because I thought it would be.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:59

Also, like ugly people like just less people see their micropenis because they need to be able to do it. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:04

So it probably isn't the talk of the town. It's way more interesting when a hot guy has a micropenis than when a not hot guy has a micropenis. Like, I'm more likely to tell people about the hot guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:13

So You said some of your friends are talking shit about guys around LA. What's what's what what are they talking about?

SPEAKER_06 1:33:20

Oh my god, I know exactly how bad everybody is in bed. I know who does and does not give head. By the way, everybody in LA needs to shape up. Everybody in LA. Okay, sorry, shape.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:31

I'll say something about the giving head thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:33

Okay, let me hear it.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:33

Because I I it's I love giving head. However, it is a very concerning thing to do for a one-night stand.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:46

Okay, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:47

Because I just you don't know if somebody's lying to you or not.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:52

Because even like the first thing that I ask the person I do not believe you 100%, but gone. Yeah, do your story first and then I'll destroy your argument and I'm fell swoop, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:01

Okay. So I just think that like if even if you ask somebody, which I do, is like, you know, do you have anything? And they say no. Yeah. And then you're like, when was the last time you got tested? And they'll say, like, whenever the fuck.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:13

You're like, oh, have you slept with anybody ever since? And they're like, either yes or no, whatever. Right? The assumption would be that they don't have anything.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:22

Um, I just think the risk is too high.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:26

Are you having a lot of one night stands?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:29

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:30

Oh, yeah, you are.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:34

No, no, I was trying to, I was trying to, I was trying to see like how to answer that question because it it's it's this is like in the past.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:42

So like I don't Sure. Yeah. Let's go with that. No, it's true. In the very recent past. Technically, yesterday was the past. Yesterday was the past. But I think that if if you if you're if you don't know the person's, you know, it's just like in the it doesn't even matter if it's if it's if it's a one-night stand or not, even if you've dated this person three or you know, three weeks, three days, whatever, however long, right? You still are not in that place where you're like able to trust them 100%.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:16

I yeah, I agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:17

So I think a little bit of time needs to pass by. And like the first time is never really like, oh, I I I know what's going on.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:26

So I'm willing to like go down on this person.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:28

No, for sure. I totally agree with that. And like also in LA, everybody fucks each other. Like, I'm sure that you know, there are some people that are not being a hundred percent honest.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:38

Yeah, but here's where you're full of shit. So you say also, oh well, let me make sure they're are they tested? Oh, what if they I might, I'm not wanting to take the risk, and you'll just raw dogs a girl with your penis. I was about to say the same thing, like what all it's so much worse to get it like like either way, maybe putting a condom on.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:56

I know very few men, like including people that I love with my whole heart, that use condoms.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:02

I'm the only one in my friend group. They all make fun of me. Most of the guys I know.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:07

That is not true.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:09

What are you talking about? I swear you've told me, like, oh yeah, I had with my wife. Yeah, but like before your wife.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:19

No, never.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:21

No, unless it was a long-term relationship. And you were like, I'm scared that, you know, just in case. Well, I won't say it on the podcast, but no, but this it's not a regular thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:33

It might have been like one person, and that's that's where the trust thing had come come come on.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:37

Because this person Oh, that's what ruined it for you.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:40

Yes, that this person had told me a lot of lies. Yeah, and so I was like trusting what they had said.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:47

I don't know why you trusted this girl, bro. I could have told you with a 10-foot pole, don't trust this girl, you know. Yes, this was somebody like why do you guys always make fun of me for fucking wearing condoms?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:55

We don't.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:56

You and Claudio and all these.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:57

No, no, you're relationships. There's a difference. This is where the argument is. The argument is when you're with somebody who you're in a relationship that you no longer need to wear a condom if they're obviously on the pill.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:11

Yeah, but it's still only 99%. Um, kid is one of the worst STDs you can get. It says I mean, yeah. You can't get rid of it, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:20

So are you like against abortion?

SPEAKER_01 1:37:22

I'm not, but what if the or wait, am I against abortion? No, I'm pro-abortion. Okay. What if the girl's not? Then I'm fucked.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:29

And why are you fucking her?

SPEAKER_01 1:37:30

Or what if she is pro-abortion, but then she's like, oh, but you know, I woke up this morning and I spun around three times, and now I'm in love with the thing in my face. Yeah, you never you never know what happens in the girls don't think their brain, they think with their heart, and the problem with that, there's actually no brain cells located in your heart. So it's making decisions based off muscle tissue instead of actual neurons, you know what I mean? So you can't trust anything, you know? It's not even that they're lying. Like a girl on Facebook. Yeah, but I get the good ones.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:04

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:05

That's I don't get your guys' dollar store knockoff condoms, you know. Good story for you. Torria was conceived while her mom was on birth control and her dad was wearing condom.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:18

Or they were lying to her. What do you mean? Why would they lie to her about that? You're saying both of them failed. Yes, I mean clearly.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:27

Can you imagine lying, saying your kid's a mistake when it wasn't a mistake?

SPEAKER_01 1:38:30

I mean, it is possible. It is.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:32

But she was also born because I willed it, so there's it was also that. Yeah. There's an interesting story behind that one. Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:40

You willed her being

The Prophecy Photo And Final Wrap

SPEAKER_01 1:38:41

conceived? I'm confused.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:42

Interesting. I had I so I was at this at this place when she was born. And I was I was walking around this, like it was like a festival, and there was this photo, and I saw this photo, and I had this like this like was like so connected, like drawn to this thing. And I was like, and I was like, this is gonna be my wife. And I like got this photo and I like asked God, the universe. I was like, make this like I want this. This is what I want. I still to this day have the photo. I brought it with me from Iran. And and and when I showed it to her, it like literally, it's like a replica of her.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:21

You're lying.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:23

I swear to God, no, it's a true story.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:24

I want to see this fucking photo.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:26

I'll bring it from North Carolina with me next time. But actually, I'll have my dad bring it. But it's it's it's like it's kind of wild because I didn't put the connection together until I saw the photo, and I was like, oh shit, I totally forgot about this. And the interesting thing about it is when I went to that festival was right around the same time when she was conceived. Like, I don't know the same exact date, but it was it's it's like very close.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:53

I don't know if that's romantic or creepy. I'm trying to figure it out too. I'm trying to process it too. Or is your ego so big that after you got that picture, when you met her, you decided you wanted to marry her so that you could like the prophecy would be correct, you know? Is that your phone? Why? Yeah, that is your phone. Weird. Oh, yeah, I thought it was a ring time.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:17

How does that even happen?

SPEAKER_01 1:40:18

Sorry, repeat your what you said. So maybe you were like, your ego is so big that you're like, I want to be literally the prophet Muhammad. I want my prophecy to be fulfilled so I can tell this crazy story of how like I can control the universe. So then you married her just so you can prove to people that you can control the universe with your mind. That's also possible. That's also possible.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:42

I mean, as far as you're concerned, anything is possible, I suppose. Um, but yeah, that is that's the story behind the condoms. But yes, I do use condoms all the time.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:56

But you'd be surprised. Most of these guys do not wear condoms. I know that a lot of my friends have gotten raw dog and no head. Explain that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:05

Yeah, no, yeah, that's that's just crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:07

One of our friends, he said it doesn't count as sex if you wear a condom because if you eat a sandwich with a plastic bag on it, does it count as eating the sandwich?

SPEAKER_06 1:41:15

You still consume the sandwich, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:41:17

Well, that's ironic you suggesting such a thing considering you had gone from 21 to 17 just because you didn't like the sex.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:25

Okay, maybe I'm a hypocrite.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:27

Wait too long. Which actually, technically speaking, what he's saying would help you a lot, because then your number come down to probably three.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:34

In that case, in that case, you're right.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:38

You know, there's always there's a lot of ways to become right. Christine, what's your body count? Three.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:43

Great. That's my new answer, guys. Okay, scratch all of that. My body count is three.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:48

That was funny. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:51

Yeah, absolutely. Pleasure.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:52

Appreciate it. Um, you've been great. Thanks for your honesty, thanks for your openness. And um, I will only hope that your future would uh consist of a guy who is attractive, tall, uh, but also smart and also rich treats you right and treats you right and doesn't cheat on you.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:15

Rubik's cube.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:17

Fastest Rubik's Cuber on the in the Wild West, yeah. Fastest cuber this side of the Mississippi.

SPEAKER_06 1:42:23

Oh god. Well, I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:26

Absolutely. Thanks for watching. We'll see you later.