Listeners will walk away with ideas for making the most of their downtime as a coach during the summer.
Links mentioned in the show:
Follow Megan on Twitter
Follow Lisa on Twitter
Forward Edge Coaches Camp
Podcast Team
Hosts- Katie Ritter & Justin Thomas
Editing Team- Megan Whitacre, Mallory Kessen, Michael Roush
Social Media/ Promo Team- Annamarie Rinehart, Lisa Kuhn, Molly Lutts
Creative/Content Team- Brooke Conklin, Emily Cowan, Tracee Keough
Research & Logistics Team- Mark Gumm, Tyler Erwin
Producers- Tyler Erwin & Katie Ritter
Listeners will walk away with ideas for making the most of their downtime as a coach during the summer.
Links mentioned in the show:
Follow Megan on Twitter
Follow Lisa on Twitter
Forward Edge Coaches Camp
Podcast Team
Hosts- Katie Ritter & Justin Thomas
Editing Team- Megan Whitacre, Mallory Kessen, Michael Roush
Social Media/ Promo Team- Annamarie Rinehart, Lisa Kuhn, Molly Lutts
Creative/Content Team- Brooke Conklin, Emily Cowan, Tracee Keough
Research & Logistics Team- Mark Gumm, Tyler Erwin
Producers- Tyler Erwin & Katie Ritter
hit the restart button
Katie Ritter:recharge those batteries Hello, and welcome everybody. I am Katie Ritter.
Justin Thomas:And I am Justin Thomas. And this is the restart recharged podcast, a podcast for coaches by coaches, we bring you tips and tricks to help you in your everyday work as an instructional technology coach, or you know, whatever they call you and your school district.
Katie Ritter:So hopefully, you're gonna leave here today feeling a little bit less on your own coaching Island as you listen.
Justin Thomas:And speaking of the island, maybe this is a good thing for islands, right, because we're approaching summer. So today's episode is called seize the summer. So we're going to kind of give you some tips and tricks ideas of what you can do to head into the summer, but still get some ideas for how you can make the most of your downtime in the summer to still get some good ideas and things ready for the following school year. So we have two awesome coaches with us here today. We have Lisa Kuhn returning, and we also have Megan Whitaker on for the first time so I will go and introduce Lisa, you first met Lisa, and Episode Two, the remote face to face hybrid. Oh my episode. And now she's back with you to share how you can seize your summer. You may remember as the Baray wearing former French and info tech teacher and she's now in her second year as a tech coach. One of her tips from that early episode still runs true here. We must take time to take care of ourselves. So keep listening and she will share how you can do just that. So please welcome Lisa.
Katie Ritter:Oh, all right. Welcome, Lisa and I have the pleasure to introduce Megan Whitaker to the podcast today. Megan taught middle and high school Latin for six years before joining the forward edge team. Now she serves as a tech coach in a local school district with a special focus on learning in a makerspace. As a Google Certified Trainer, Megan is passionate about helping students and teachers learn by doing and accomplish their goals. So welcome, Megan. Thank you so much. All right, guys, we're gonna kick it off and jump in with summer right around the corner, we can almost reach out and touch it at this point. But that said summer is generally a downtime for coaches. And so just kind of talk a little bit about what does summer look like for you and in where do you spend your time over the summer.
Lisa Kuhn:So I found last summer was a very busy summer, it was a different summer from what summers normally are so forward edge coach, school coach, educator was crazy. But what I did find was really good for me was I got to spend a lot of time outdoors, kayaking, and fishing and going to hocking hills to hike. And it was a great way to kind of recharge and restart my batteries. As we kept busy over the summer. You never know how summer is gonna go. Because it can go as you play in it or more likely, it's not going to go as you plan it, and projects and activities will be coming your way left and right. So last summer was a really good example of that a lot of our conferences were canceled. So I'm looking forward to this year actually getting to attend some conferences, whether they be virtual or live. And last year, I know I was real busy with some PD activities that may or may not be as busy this summer. So we'll see.
Katie Ritter:Yes, we will see. We're recording this weeks ahead of the episode aired date. So we're not exactly sure what summer is looking like. Yeah,
Lisa Kuhn:exactly.
Katie Ritter:What about you, Megan,
Megan Whitacre:I am hoping that we have some campuses because that's one of the things I usually really look forward to over the summer are those opportunities to learn. And another thing that I have loved over well, last summer as a new forward edge coach and then in some previous summers, I love taking the summer to kind of leisurely my own education, like there's not a crisis. So I can take some time to catch up on webinars or read books that have been on my list for a year or work on those, especially from a maker perspective work on those passion projects to kind of build my maker skill set so that I can bring that back to the school year when kids need when kids have questions.
Katie Ritter:So and quick side note, um, you both mentioned conferences, are there particular conferences that you would recommend that our coach listeners might To get to over the summer,
Megan Whitacre:I can't recommend is DNF. When it's in person, it's a real evolve all the time SC is such a wealth of knowledge and experience, it's a great great place to be in a great community to be a part of, I did get to go in person, the summer before everything shut down. And it was probably the best conference I have ever been to it was just so much information at once that it took the rest of the summer to digest everything that I learned,
Lisa Kuhn:you have a local one in this area called high games that I'm looking forward to this year, I actually got to meet a lot of our coaching team, the first year I was here at high aims, I got to meet them there. So I'm excited to actually be able to attend and hopefully participate as a presenter. But either way, I think it'd be a good time to get to know some more of those area coaches in schools. Besides the one that I'm working in, personally, my son, thanks.
Justin Thomas:Get both of those are really good. I think I haven't got to go to high aims quite yet. I was set to present last year and then COVID happened. But it's the I felt like was done very well, virtually this year, to give that whole kind of experience, I had actually never gotten a chance to attend ISTE in person, but I felt the virtual side was very well done. Because you know, you're able to catch some of those different seminars, you might have missed, you know, an in person, you're trying to run to either side of the convention center. So I felt like that was a really well done event. Want to go back to your topic about how you know, we're kind of still up in the air, what kind of professional development we're going to have for this summer. But obviously, I'm going to go out on the limb and say we might have some form of a professional development this summer. So if you have led any professional development and past summers, how do you plan for that in accordance to looking a little bit different than a normal PD session during the school year, what kind of different ideas you come in with when you're going to present for the summer.
Lisa Kuhn:Last summer, I was charged with my district to create a Summer Learning Academy, they were getting ready to use some different tools, they wanted to ramp up for remote learning. And so I actually over the summer created a remote Learning Academy that included a mix of face to face time and some video time, and then posted it on our LMS for the school district so any teacher could participate in it. And they could even earn graduate graduate credit with it. That differs a lot from my during the school year PD because most of what I do during the school year, even this year, has been in person that worst it's been some zoom calls where some of us are in a room together. But because of the number of people and the size of the room we had to spread people out and about. So it's it's more hands on or it has been more hands on in the school year than it has been in the summer. I'm hoping that we get an opportunity to do more hands on over the summer, again, whether it be with my own district or with other districts and schools that we're working with as a company. And then when we go back in late August, I get to do some face to face PD. And that will be very nice.
Megan Whitacre:I have not done a lot of PD over the summer I did help with and I led some and then assisted some Google certification boot camps last summer. And so those are a unique animal, right? Because they're like a power packed several day long experience that you would never have time for during the school year. It's a great opportunity during the summer to do those. But as for like district PD, I'm going to defer to Lisa on that one.
Katie Ritter:That's still a great point, Megan, um, you know, when you bring up like the jam packed days that you wouldn't have time for over the summer, I just think that coaches have a great opportunity over the summer to fit things in that you know, you do need a little bit more time for you know, I know our team has talked on the podcast and we lead a lot of like lunch and learns. And you know, Lisa, on Episode Two, you talked about the power PDS and little things that are short and sweet because teachers don't have the time to really dedicate in maybe dig as deeper through those school years sessions, but you really get an opportunity to do that over the summer. I know for me and my experience, any PD that took place prior to August was always it always felt much more laid back with the teachers. You know, they come in in comfy clothes, they're gonna hit the pool later and maybe they came from the pool, you know, depending on the time day and you know, and so people are just generally a little bit more relaxed, you can have a little bit more fun with them. And a lot of times the teachers that are coming to summer PD, it's they're volunteering, and so they really want to be there. So again, you can sometimes get them to do things that you can't get them to do over the summer just because the stress is there any thing that takes place after August, you have to go back to that mentality of like, well, I am so busy, I have to get my classroom ready and their mind is elsewhere. So I think I would just throw that out as a piece of advice. If you're thinking about August PD prior to school, they're going to be back in that mindset of like the stress of the school year right around the corner. So that's been my experience with the summer PD. But, you know, obviously, coaches leaving pD over the summer is a huge thing that we do in the summer time for our educators. But what other types of tasks have you seen, that you have been tasked with whether it was last summer or in previous years or even thinking ahead to this summer, to help support the districts,
Megan Whitacre:I am really looking forward to this summer because I'm hoping to get some bigger initiatives off the ground next year. Like I want to implement some coaching cycles and a more structured PD schedule. This year was so crazy that it was kind of hard to get anything going. And so I'm really looking forward to getting that stuff going and having the summer to plan everything, to have all of my materials ready to go. So that when things are crazy again in August, I don't have to, I'm not reinventing the wheel.
Lisa Kuhn:And I can't agree more. That is one of the pieces that I'm looking forward to as well. Since we've had this year and a half of COVID. Education, it's going to be nice to actually be able to plan for at least somewhat of a known situation when we come back in the fall. Because last summer was just so crazy, not knowing if people were going to be in person remote, a mix hybrid, what and this year, there seems to be a little more certainty, and more of a vision of what the year is going to look like starting off. So it's going to be really nice to have that planned time to be able again, I'm I've got some initiatives as well, that are similar. Just it'll be nice to be able to plan those and know that they've got a chance. It'll be
Megan Whitacre:nice to be able to plan. Yes.
Justin Thomas:Yes, I can. I can vouch for I plan. Professional Development for four districts that are all combined into one and some of them are going in person, some of them are going hybrid, some of them are going fully remote. So that was that was a little while to try and cover all of your, you know all of your tasks and topics within that. But definitely, it was a good learning experience to dive in and really help out and help for different districts at one time with different ideas of what they could use to prepare, you know, prepare as best you can for the school year is going to hold.
Katie Ritter:Yeah, as you guys were all talking, I was envisioning, like, you know, we are no longer having to learn how to fly the plane while we're in the air like we get done. Put the plans and the learning in place. And then and men hit takeoff. Right, we'll deal with the turbulence once we're up in the air, but we know it's coming. So you know, obviously we know that we know that last year was crazy. I am just I'm so curious to see what this summer does and how it unfolds. You know, I know districts are going to be very focused on you know, taking advantage of summer time to close any learning gaps and putting kind of some unique things and in summer school in place. So do you anticipate this summer potentially being tasked with anything to do with that, or have you not been so much as a coach involved in those processes.
Lisa Kuhn:In my case, I have not been involved in those processes. Most of what I've been asked to work on are getting teachers ready for next year because our school district is going through a pretty massive building reorganization. So teachers are going to be working in some cases with different principals in the past, they're going to have different technology available to them in their buildings. And so we're already starting with some of the grade levels working with that technology to get them ready for the summer or for the fall. And so I have not really been involved in that summer learning gap fix to this point.
Megan Whitacre:I also have not really been involved in those conversations. My School Direct my school district pardon me has been in person though, since August. So I'm not sure if the conversations are at quite a scale as perhaps a district that has had to be remote a lot of the year.
Lisa Kuhn:And that definitely makes a difference because we've been in person for the most part as well. And even though there are still some gaps from the original COVID Last year, it's the teachers have done a great job and bridging some of those gaps. But I do know they've been talking about it and preparing.
Katie Ritter:Yeah, well, it'll be interesting to see if teachers reach out for the summer, maybe more than they typically do like as a result of them meeting the support. So anyway, more to come. We'll see how that unfolds for coaches.
Justin Thomas:Yeah, obviously, with my district, it's going to be interesting. I know there was they had a virtual option. So there are some kids that came in like halfway through the school year and then there's gonna be Is there gonna come back after you're doing for your remote? So, you know, we'll keep those conversations open. But one thing that I'm sure is going to come my way is tools. What tools or topics in general, are teachers going to want? But I want to focus a little bit on both of you. Are there any tools or topics that you plan to just dig deeper into this summer, like any other major updates have come from maybe a tool that you really enjoy or topic? Or is there just something completely brand new that you want to spend some time and get to know a little bit better?
Megan Whitacre:I am hoping to spend some time wrapping my head around all of these different Google updates that I know Lisa has spent some time on recently. That I think is missing. But then also, I think I mentioned at the beginning building my maker skill set, I personally want to dive deeper into like Raspberry Pi's and Python, because that is something that my district is wanting to see a lot more of, and I barely scratch the surface of so I'm hoping to get a chance to dig deeper into those those kinds of tools. And think about how they fit in a larger curriculum. Like if you're not teaching video game design, what is the point of having a Raspberry Pi? And like, I'm sure there is one and I would really like to know it. So I'm gonna keep playing around and researching.
Lisa Kuhn:Oh, that's great. Yes. So Google is definitely one of my big ticket items for this summer as well, because there's so much that has already come out as well as so much more to come for the summer, and especially launching in the fall. So I definitely need to keep up with that. I think my top tech tool is far as devices is going to be the view boards. There's something that many of the teachers in my district are going to have this fall for the first time. And so we've already begun working with that. But we're just at view boards one dot O, and I'm looking forward to learning enough. So I can do a successful view boards 2.0 When we come back in the fall, because there's so many exciting features that that thing has to make teaching easier and more efficient and flexible. And I wish I had one when I was teaching. Yeah, that there's those are just amazing. The other thing I want to do is dig more deeply into Schoology. That's our learning management system. I know a lot about it. But again, it's going through changes as well. And we're trying to as a collaborative effort between me and the tech department and the EMS secretaries. We're trying to make that all work more seamlessly. And we're starting to find little tricks and strategies to make that integration between dazzle and Schoology work much more easily for us and more of the way we want it to.
Megan Whitacre:I feel like a lot of our tools that we commonly use have been going undergoing like development update at warp speed this year, understandably, because we've gotten heavy use, I'm think it's going to be really important for me to just kind of touch some of those tools, again, ones that I haven't maybe used in a while, like EdPuzzle even or Schoology integration. How does that work? My teachers use that all the time. I want to make sure I'm familiar with the most up to date. Methods.
Katie Ritter:Yeah, Megan, I think that's a good point. Because, you know, like, while we I love how Brooke puts it, you know, she she was on our episode for about testing. And she says I'm not a ed tech tool sales person. And But that said, it's also important for us to understand, you know, I like I always tell you guys, you don't need to know every detail about every tool out there, but having a general enough sense of what it does. And I really believe you know, every time that a new tech coach starts on the team, and I tell them that part of their training is like just spend some time playing with tools so you understand what it would be like for a teacher and student to use these. Everybody always questions me, but I think just the playing with tools is really important for coaches. And Megan, you bring up a great point that the summer is really the perfect opportunity to get to do that. And I want to chime in. Before we go on to the next question. I want to chime in just on a couple of things that you guys said. One. Lisa, you mentioned the view board training if people don't know what view boards are, they're interactive boards interactive display boards in the classroom. And I like how you know you guys are you've broken it up into your 1.0 and 2.0 and I just want to compliment you and the other coaches on our team leading that and kind of offer some advice to other coaches. If you are being tasked to lead training on you know, new projectors that you know that you've got in the building we joke like we don't fix the projector but we do help you know teachers use it so whether it no matter what the device is that your teachers are using in their classroom It really behoove you as a coach to become really well versed in when you lead your trainings, you know, don't necessarily just show them what the buttons do. But really embed, whether it's the embedded software that comes with it, or it's other tools that they can use really well, with that interactive board really helps show them how that that device can change their instruction. And I think that you guys do a really great job with that with those trainings. Because if we're just showing them like, Hey, this is how you turn it on, this is how you switch inputs, that's not really going to help everyone. But if you can really show them additional tools to change the instruction, I think that that's where you can really add a lot of value as a coach. So I would just throw that out there. And then the other thing that I want to say, any coaches working in schools that use Google for Education, you need to get up to speed on all of the changes that are coming. There are now four different tiers of service. And based on that you will have access to different features with some of their tools. It is now called Google workspace for education. And there are four different tiers, the first still being free, and then pricing goes up from there. So anyway, that's not what this episode is about. So I don't want to belabor that point. But when you guys both mentioned it, I thought, oh, shoot, if a coach doesn't know about this, yet, they better, they better get on it. So I wanted to throw that out there.
Lisa Kuhn:One of the things that I've found I'm doing trying to do more of this year, is to break my trainings down into smaller chunks. This is something that we all know as teachers that if we give information to our students in smaller chunks, they learn it better. And I think many of us maybe all of us feel overwhelmed with the fact that we've got to get all this information in because we've been remote or we have we've been absent, we've been quarantined, and we have to shove, shove, shove all this information down, and nobody benefits from it. So start your trainings with a nugget. And then what I'll often do is I'll add links for those who want to explore deeper before the next training session. And then that way, your high fliers can still dive really deeply. And then the people that you're just introducing to the concept can still feel comfortable with what they're doing. Because I know in Katie had mentioned my power PDS earlier, they're just short little 30 minutes or less. And we all know that 30 minutes for a how to use something well, PD is a short amount of time. So we got to make sure that we keep it short and sweet for everybody, ourselves included.
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Katie Ritter:All right. Welcome back. We are talking about how to seize the summer as a coach with two of our coaches at forward edge. Lisa Kuhn and Megan Whitaker. So ladies, in the summer, you know actually episode five, we talked all about getting social and using different social media to grow your PLN and your practice as a coach. So, you know, though, I have noticed that sometimes those things died down a little bit over the summer, but how do you continue to connect with your PLN over the summer?
Megan Whitacre:One of the things they talked about in episode five that I really want to do over the summer is participate more in Twitter chats online. I am like I am a habitual Lurker in Twitter chats, like I read everything the next day, but I do not participate or contribute to the conversation.
Katie Ritter:So the self proclaimed habitual Lurker, I think a lot of people are using that now. Like, that's good.
Megan Whitacre:That's what happens. That's how I feel. I want to participate in the conversation that summer, when I have more time and I have more space to breathe. I'm really I'm going to go find some good ones. And you'll start seeing my tweets out there.
Lisa Kuhn:And my plan is to continue with some of my professional development. And I find that when I'm in a project, I tend to get more involved with the PLN than if I'm doing my school related work or my specific forward edge work. So I'll be working on Google certified trainer and coach over the next couple of months. So I know I'll be diving into things more are deeply there. And then as Megan mentioned earlier, the SD conference is a great way to connect. And whether it's a specific PLN or not, you get to connect with just groups of people that are of like mind is you and in sharing items, and you can find out which PLN is really serving your needs the best and start you know, attending those or connecting with them in whatever ways you can with the time you have.
Justin Thomas:You know, I almost forgot st was in the summer because it was right after Thanksgiving this past year. But that's awesome. Both of you are like, Yeah, I'm gonna be looking out for your tweets, Megan. So.
Katie Ritter:Okay, and Lisa, I'll just chime in and share really quickly, we actually have for all of the coaches listening who are interested in becoming a Google certified coach. We're going to have Amanda del Blasco from Google, who is the program manager for the certified coach program on in a couple of episodes. So we'll be talking about advice for everyone who's interested in applying for the certified coach program over the summer.
Lisa Kuhn:Excellent.
Justin Thomas:Yeah, I should be really excited to have her on. Talking just momentarily. This is gonna be a theme. I think we're Katie and I were talking about this. But what are your three things that you recommend for other coaches to do during the summer to utilize their downtime? Now, I know we talked about a lot of great things. But is there like three specific things that, you know, if you could only do three things, because we all know summers can get pretty hectic for everybody? What are your top three things that you think coaches could really get a lot out of it for preparing them for the next school year? What can they do this summer, actually give
Lisa Kuhn:yourself downtime, you've got to give yourself that time to step back. You don't want it to be five days in a row every week necessarily. But you need to step back at least you know, even if it's like a few minutes a day, an hour a day or 15 minutes to take a walk around around the building. Something where you just have a moment to breathe, and recenter yourself. It just helps so much those little pieces that when we're on the run during the school year, and constantly helping teachers or planning for the next PD or responding to emails, we often don't take that chance. And so when you feel like you've got a little bit of downtime, go ahead and take advantage of it. The other thing is I like to kind of look at reflect and think about what I did during the school year, and what I can do differently. In the fall or even over the summer, if I'm working with teachers and districts over the summer, it's okay to fail. That's one thing that I try to kind of let my teachers know, again, we teach it to the students all the time, it's okay to make mistakes and learn from them. And teachers really appreciate that mindset. I've had several teachers who have told me thank you for not judging me, thank you for just realizing I'm a human, and I'm not a techie. And I don't know what I'm doing. They love that. So I try to give myself that grace, as well as I'm learning new things. And then finally, I love connecting with my colleagues, with my friends, with whomever so even with our Friday office days during the school year. It's nice to have more time in the summer to collaborate and connect, and have fun on game Fridays, and just relax and enjoy what we're doing. Because if you don't like what you're doing, why do it.
Katie Ritter:Amen, sister,
Megan Whitacre:I pre read a list before this and it was pretty much the same as Lisa's. Like, definitely relax, make some space for rest, definitely make some space for reflection. I like make a practice at the end of every semester to just try to kind of just write out in a document that goes to no one except for myself. Like what went well what should I keep going what what needs to change. And then my last one is to take some time to read there's some really great books out there about motivation and and creating cultural change. And this is the best time to digest them when your brain is not worried about any other things. So yeah, take some time to read and do it by the pool or at a beach.
Justin Thomas:Just gonna say it I think that's what everyone does, right? They gotta get your book when you go out to the beach. And then you just read and enjoy the waves and all that good stuff goes along with it. Is that what you're gonna plan on doing with your books?
Lisa Kuhn:Yeah, I gotta get to the beach. I'm usually by a lake or a pond in the local area. So it's not quite beachy, but it is it's nice to just relax and have the sunshine and a nice cocktail.
Justin Thomas:You know, there is a beach in Ohio. You can always go to Lake Erie if you wanted to beach theory. Oh, I
Lisa Kuhn:thought you're gonna refer to the beach.
Justin Thomas:The beach too. Yeah, I guess so there's all sorts of beaches that you can go to just take your book and you have a great time maybe it's in the lazy river or something like that. Exactly.
Katie Ritter:No, but I will say you guys are teeing up our next episode perfectly because we're gonna dive into book recommendations and different kinds of book recommendations to help you with your coaching practice. So tune in June 1 For that
Justin Thomas:yeah, so then you know which book to go out and get when you go to the beach whether it's you know, amusement park waterpark, or you know, freshwater saltwater i don't know I'm going on a tangent about beaches here. But what can maybe go to the beach or go to the mountains here's my coaching tip we have a coaches camp that's coming up this June June 16 and 17th right here in Cincinnati now there are both in person and virtual options. So you can you know, if you can't get here quite, you know around the days or something like that, but you can tune in virtually you have that option to we do as Anne Marie Reinhart likes to say we do like to see people in 3d So if you come in if you're able to come, please, please do. I think spots are filling up pretty quickly. Are they Katie? So there's only a few spots left?
Katie Ritter:They are yeah, we're just over half full when we're recording this episode in April so if for some reason by the time this episode drops in goes live and we are full, we are potentially going to look at adding a second coach camp this summer so stay tuned for more information on that if for some reason we are full by the time this goes live.
Justin Thomas:Okay, so there you have it, and it's it's coaches camp, but we're not actually like, you know, getting sleeping bags and tents and going out camping. My brother actually asked me that. He said, Hey, I saw that on Twitter. You guys actually going camping? I'm like, No, it's not by camping. But you know, so it can't be exactly what you're saying. Right? It can't be is that quite your thing still come because it's not like a legitimate you know, outdoors camping, but if camping is your thing, you know? Sure. Bring it right in anyways, you know, make something happen. I guess. We're just
Katie Ritter:going for the nostalgia because camp is fun. And this today hands on training is going to be fun. At least if you're into coaching. So then you'll enjoy it. But I think that's it for today. Lisa and Megan, thanks so much for spending time with us. I'm really enjoy getting to talk to you guys. You bet. So be sure to subscribe to restart, recharge wherever you listen to podcasts at restart, recharge podcast.com And follow us on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook at our our coach Cass and that's right. You heard me say Facebook in the spirit of Episode Five. We decided about getting social we decided to add a Facebook page you can find us there and facebook.com/our our coach cast.
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Katie Ritter:a tech coach collective. Well awesome ladies. I think this is a nice little short and sweet. Yeah, appreciate it.