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Restart Recharge Podcast
508 Getting AI Ready this Summer with Gemini
In this episode, we are excited to have Alex Melin, an instructional design coach from Forward Edge, share insights on AI in education, specifically exploring Google’s Gemini and its advanced features like gems, canvas, and deep research. Discover practical applications of AI for coaches, teachers, and educational leaders to enhance student learning and teaching efficiency. Learn how to start integrating AI tools in your everyday tasks and maintain human connections in the tech-driven world. This episode is packed with information to recharge your coaching batteries and get you excited for the new school year!
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Podcast Team
Hosts - Katie Ritter & Matthäus Huelse
Producer - Celine Thomas
Editing Team - Ben Glasure
Social Media Team - Grace Brown
Calling all Instructional Coaches, Curriculum Specialists, Teachers on Special Assignment, or whatever they call you. I'm Matthaeus Huelse.
Katie Ritter:And I'm Katie Ritter. As Instructional Coaches, we are often responsible for our own professional learning and can sometimes feel pretty isolated in our role.
Matthaeus Huelse:That's why we're here, bridging the gap with a wealth of tips, tricks, and building a community of coaches.
Katie Ritter:So hit the restart button with us.
Matthaeus Huelse:Recharge your coaching batteries.
Katie Ritter:And hopefully you'll leave feeling just a little bit less on your own coaching island.
Matthaeus Huelse:Welcome back coaches to restart, recharge your number one stop to fuel up on motivation and get ignited and excited for anything coaching related, working in K 12 classrooms with teachers as an admin leader or as any other role you might have in that. Position that you're in. We want to talk today a little bit more about ai, what's on everyone's mind. We are gonna take a little closer look at Gemini specifically and what other things you can do with it other than just Gemini chat. Couple more extensive features and dive a little bit deeper into some of those conversations potentially. And we have Celine with us today and she's gonna be covering for Katie. And we're gonna, have fun. Right, Celine?
Celine Thomas:Sounds like a great time to me.
Matthaeus Huelse:It's always a great time in here.
Celine Thomas:Great. So today we're excited to chat with Alex Melin alex is an instructional design coach at Forward Edge, bringing a wealth of experience from her five years as a STEM educator, as well as roles in project management analysis. And a structural design for federal projects, like that's insane. Her passion for learning and making a difference is clear in all that she does, she also has a master's in environmental education and natural science and her journey continues to grow. We're so excited to have you on restart, recharge. How are you feeling today?
Alex Melin:I'm doing great. Thanks Celine.
Matthaeus Huelse:Yeah.
Celine Thomas:Great. So we wanna kind of dive in 'cause you have all this amazing background knowledge and you've jumped into the Forward Edge team with all this expert experience. You've been doing a lot of sessions with ai, so could you tell us about your role and how you feel like AI has impacted how you view the state of education today?
Alex Melin:That's a great question. In my role currently, like Celine said, I'm an instructional design coach and I'm really focused on empowering, instructional coaches, educators, superintendents, IT leaders. Many different, constituents involved in the K through 12 education space, to enhance their practices and ultimately benefit student learning. So my work has been also with some Google for Education as a PD partner, working with school districts there, and it's, it's an exciting space right now, as we all know, because AI is. Flourishing and there are some great ways to implement it, to enhance student learning, I'm here to help us find some new hacks with it and some new features.
Matthaeus Huelse:Yeah. That's awesome. And the hacks and the pieces are, what we kind of wanna explore with you today. You've been working closely with creating some content for, Gemini trainings and, different purposes there. Let's take a look at at some of those.'cause most, most of us might have already heard of Gemini, right? The chat feature, you go gemini.google.com, and you can go in there and you do all kinds of things like create lesson plans, have it write you poems, or, whatever you're looking for. But there's also some more advanced things that have shown up, and we wanted to take this opportunity to look a little closer. So we thought about maybe exploring gems and some other features. First of all. If nobody heard of the word gems before, can you tell us a little bit about it, what it is, and why would I even explore it?
Alex Melin:Yeah. So just to recap a little bit, Gemini, if you haven't heard of it think of it as your thought partner. Your AI model for brainstorming, summarizing, thinking of new information, creative processes, and gems you'll find within Gemini. And you can think of these as like your specialized AI agent. You can give each gem specific instructions on how to do something. So if you're an instructional coach, maybe you're using a gem as a professional development planner, you give it specific instructions about your educators, about your district, what you want it to do. And that way when you use that gem in the future, it remembers those instructions and it's customized to, the specific learning outcomes that you want. So this is a really amazing feature, that helps you become more efficient, whether it's repeating tasks over and over again, or if you just want something really specific to a practice, or a learning objective that you want for your teachers.
Matthaeus Huelse:Great. So when I set up and I wanna get started with a gem, right? It's in the same window as Gemini is. I can go from there, click on the gem manager. How can I identify some use cases here for coaches, for teachers, that would make this a valuable tool. What specifically can I do with it?
Alex Melin:Yeah, so when you're using the tool, like you said, you kind of go, there's a little gem image on the far left hand part, and you give instructions and it's easiest to think about these instructions, in three different parts. So think about whatever purpose you want or a goal for your gem. Think about the behaviors that you want your gym to do when you. Provide it with a prompt and give it some type of output. So do you want this in a rubric format, a PD format? Bullet points, A summary? Um, and a really special part about gems is there's also a help me write button. And so it'll expand upon all your ideas and you can take those ideas or get rid of them as well. And as you said, Matthaeus there's many different uses for gems, you could use them, as I said before, as a PD partner. For curriculum development. As a coach, you could use them for developing questions, feedback questions, to deepen, deepen your conversations with your teachers or district. You could use it for feedback, for smart goals. There's endless opportunities to use with gems, and also just. As a reminder, you, as the human are within this dynamic, and so it's really important to use gems to also enhance your relationship with your teachers and your districts as well.
Matthaeus Huelse:Okay. Can I, hypothetically, if I had one use case, how would you go about, creating a gem, as a coach or as a teacher? Like, what would, what would I put into those three exact, uh, categories? Like what can you give us concrete examples for a use
Alex Melin:Yeah. Um, so let's go with goal setting Gem. So you want, to help your educators? Create personalized goals for themselves. You could even create one for a specific educator or specific, grade levels that you're working with. Maybe it's K through two, maybe it's science, English. So pick whatever you wanna be specific on there for goal setting. And give it, give it a, a goal for goal setting, which is a little funny or a purpose. Maybe you want your teachers, to improve classroom engagement practices. You could write that in there. I want to help my teachers improve classroom engagement practices. Give it a set of instructions or behaviors of how you want it to interact. So you can say, when I as the user, provide you with an example in my classroom, can you provide me with ideas on how to engage my class? And then you can give it a type of output that you want it to create for you. Provide me this in a summary, provide this for me in a, less in my lesson plan document. And the great part about GEMS is if you already have an amazing template for goal setting, you can input that right there as an added file and it'll utilize that in the structure that it provides for you.
Matthaeus Huelse:Oh, that's awesome. I can give it an actual file to reference as knowledge.
Alex Melin:Yes. And it's a fantastic feature. And we've seen teachers using that as well, where. They have something that works really great or they wanna use a template or a rubric and they plug it in there and the output will match that.
Matthaeus Huelse:Great. So I could also imagine you could use it for personalized learning, right? I could. Potentially come up with some sort of gem where I say, Hey, I want to always use a personalized learning approach for my students. Tell it, for example, my students have these kinds of interests, and then it would automatically tell me, okay, here are some ideas that you could use for this particular group.
Alex Melin:Yeah, definitely. And then your customized agent is right there and it saves you time so you don't have to input. Those instructions and information about your class and their specific needs, every single time you're looking for ideas.
Matthaeus Huelse:So really like if I'm an Avid Gemini user, if I'm continuously coming to Gemini and I always use it for something specific, if I find myself doing it over and over again and I don't want to write the instructions over and over again, that would be a nice way to shorten that distance for me and make that quicker
Alex Melin:Yes. That's a great use case.
Matthaeus Huelse:Are there any other Gemini features? There's two specifically I have in mind, canvas and deep research. I know that people that might be using it have seen those pop up. Can you tell us a little bit about those two?
Alex Melin:Yeah. So, um, as I said before, think of Gemini as your thought partner. Your gems are your customized, AI agent, and deep research as your, in depth. Research partner for analyzing, something where maybe you would need multiple, multiple tabs up at the top of your screen for, so I know teachers have, educators have used this for, comparing different ideas or concepts, whether it's looking for a new field trip or, looking across how to differentiate learning for different learners. This is a great tool because it will scan. Hundreds of websites on your behalf and come up with a research plan, for you in minutes.
Matthaeus Huelse:I can have it go
Alex Melin:Yes, it'll go in the background. Input your information, approve the plan, and it'll come up with some ideas for you.
Matthaeus Huelse:That's awesome.
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:No, I'm not gonna lie. I've used that definitely to do some car research for me just this morning. Not a very educational purpose, but hey, it was fantastic. It found over 200 websites and it summarized them for me,
Celine Thomas:Yeah, that's amazing.
Alex Melin:Some other, uh, really great new features that educators can use. Canvas is one of them as well. So when you open up your Gemini, you'll see deep research on one side, and you also see Canvas at the bottom. If you click on that, this is a great tool for integrating Google Docs. Instead of using Gemini and scrolling down and adding onto your conversation line by line, it'll automatically update in a Google Doc for you. So if you're creating a lesson plan and you wanna switch the entire topic to something completely different, you can type that in and it'll change it right before you instead of rewriting the whole thing every time. This is, uh, a great, a great use for efficiency for teachers.
Matthaeus Huelse:That's awesome.
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Celine Thomas:I love, this is amazing. I have to somehow get back to your point earlier about having human. Characteristics embedded in your daily coaching practice as well, and it's so cool. All this new tech. I always think to myself, I needed this like six years ago when I first started teaching, but now we have all this cool stuff. So when we're introducing new tools through gems, through Gemini, what are some additional ways we can embed genuine connections outside of our daily, practice as coaches with all this new technology.
Alex Melin:Yeah. I think that's really important and coaches should continue to make those genuine connections. Outside of technology because, that's foundational for relationship building, both for educators and for students. And drawing from my background and environmental education and natural science, I see a lot of parallels between, the natural world and being able to connect with humans as well. I think connecting with the natural world and with humans, you need direct experience. You need some shared exploration and you need this sense of wonder between, between you two. That's a great way to look at coaching. There's great ways to share with each other, whether that's through co-planning, co-teaching, having those shared moments of exploration together. I think there's still a large emphasis on one-on-one interactions with your teachers and active listening to them. And to make space for empathy within that. And I think there's also space for grounding all these interactions within authentic context. So just as we would with students with real world connections. I think doing that with educators as well, when we're working with them as a coach to be able to really drive meaningful connection.
Celine Thomas:I love that. And even in your travels, have you seen anything or have you made any connections as you're talking through tech and you're showing everyone all this cool like gems and everything like that, how do you feel like you've made impact in your role as well?
Alex Melin:Yeah, I think one of the biggest things that I've noticed within my role is. Teachers, educators, school systems, they wanna use tech in order to still enhance human connection. So how can we use technology to create that really amazing field trip opportunity or have, a really engaging Socratic seminar for our students where they're debating back and forth, or they're creating their own podcast about, lessons and objectives that they're really passionate about. So I think there can be a lot of, connectedness between tech and human connection, and I think you can't leave out the human connection component of it.
Celine Thomas:I love that. Amazing.
Matthaeus Huelse:The whole point of AI is we've heard these horror stories of people using AI and not double checking the work and not verifying information I think it's really important that we. Build that into the experience with the tech for sure.
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:we're gonna take a quick break for our sponsors and then we will be right back with Alex talking more about AI and the impact it has on education.
Alex Melin:Look forward to it.
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Matthaeus Huelse:I wanna squeeze in the question about AI literacy, if that's cool. So, what do you think teachers need to know right now? What do coaches also need to know right now about. AI when they're approaching scope because there's, there's all kinds of mixed feelings about it. People either are, early adopters and or they are terrified because they don't wanna upload any kind of data in there that's gonna get them in trouble, or they see it as nothing more than a cheating tool for students. If you had to boil it down, what would be like the one, two, maybe of information you would want all of these people to know about AI
Alex Melin:I think aI is going to continue to be integrated into both educational systems and our everyday lives. So I think beginning to dip your feet into it, in minor ways is important. And two, I think we approach AI just as you would even. Conversations with humans. So kind of what you were saying before, Matthaeus with double checking and, verifying your data. If I'm having a conversation with a friend or Celine and I are talking about everything, I'm not just gonna take every single thing she says as truth. So I think making sure that you still have that emotional response to AI is really important for coaches, educators. Even as you're teaching your students how does this feel? How can I double check this? Almost like you're debating it. Can I provide a rebuttal against this? Is something that's going to be important in the future.
Matthaeus Huelse:In my head, this sounds like, I do have a relationship with the person that I talk to, right? And I, I know, I know Celine would never lie to me. Celine would always be truthful to me, but I know that because I know Celine. I don't know gemini yet. Maybe this is part about, you know, having that experience to learn about what that AI is and what it does. does Maybe seeing it fail, maybe seeing it make a mistake in front of me is gonna give me that impression that reminds me of like, oh yeah, maybe I do need to be critical of of that thing more often because it speaks so confidently, right? I mean, it's so confidently says these things that, we as humans just tend to believe so easily
Alex Melin:correct.
Matthaeus Huelse:With confidence.
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Celine Thomas:We have one more question for you what are some ways that, coaches can dive into. Some of the AI tools that we kind of talked about today, what are some fun ways they can if they're not too familiar? Just so they can gear up for what's to come when they return in the fall?
Alex Melin:Yeah. That's, that's a great question. As we head into summer, teachers are taking a slight break from teaching, I think explore AI from a lens of yourself and your personal context, and maybe not even as an educator, instructional coach, whatever it may be, plug in some things and play around with it. Maybe you're going on a vacation use deep research and provide some context on where you might be going, some options, your budget. I think you'll be surprised at what it comes up with and see where it really does a great job and where some of the cons of using it and where it might be short falling a little bit. I know recently I just got a puppy. And so, I was using gems to help me create plans for how to help train my puppy so that it's not jumping on people. We're getting potty trained and it's been a great way to explore in a low stakes context. How AI models work.
Matthaeus Huelse:That's awesome. Yeah, I love the travel idea. That's a really, really good one. I mean, send it off, do the research for you and it'll come back with a whole itinerary that's awesome.
Alex Melin:Yeah, and then you can look at it and say I love this plan, or I don't, and play around with iterating some of the prompts and finding something that works for, for you.
Matthaeus Huelse:Yeah, I think it's almost funny too because when you start exploring you are definitely going to start reading the text more and with a lot of detail and be careful to make sure that it looks good. One of the downfalls is the more you use it, the more you get convinced by it, the less you tend to do that, which, so I guess really good piece of advice is to just keep being critical of it, right?
Alex Melin:Correct.
Matthaeus Huelse:it right off the bat.
Alex Melin:Yeah. That's definitely a good thing to keep in mind when using ai.
Matthaeus Huelse:Another good thing you could do over the summer, if you wanna learn more about ai, we are offering an AI training,
Alex Melin:Ooh.
Matthaeus Huelse:cohort over the summer where, you can join individually or you can sign up, a group of teachers or Ed Leaders that are interested. It's a summer program that's about seven learning sessions. Planned by yours truly. Oh, wow. That's, that's the other simple plug. I know, I know it does. Hey, it's super smooth. Nobody even noticed. Um, it's a great opportunity to learn more about ai, learn about what it is, connecting it to actual teacher tasks like personalizing, differentiating, this summer specifically, we'll focus on going over, the materials you already have and getting ready for the next year. We also offer that program throughout the year for school districts, fully virtual or in person, we tend to, get a bunch of really excited participants that are already in the AI game. But you can also be brand new to this. We focus on all of the important components of ai. We discuss the, the downfalls, the limitations, its impact on society and on education, on the environment. And if you are. Planning to do a personalized cohort. We also create ai, guidelines or AI policy together with your group. So, if you wanna learn more about it, go to forward-edge.net/ai-training and you'll be able to see all of our details and the different programs that we offer that will prepare your faculty to be experts on the AI AI space. AI space the AI space and, share their thoughts, with the community and then share out what they learned with the rest of their departments. Now to our final question we always have for our participants, our top three tips for anybody that wants to learn more about Gemini and get ready this summer. To use AI for the next year alex, what are your top three tips?
Alex Melin:Oh. I know I kind of talked about one of them a little bit, but I would say going back to those key points. One, just start playing around with it for, , personal use and see, where it can help you maybe in your daily life a little bit. Two, make sure that you're maintaining human connection. With ai. I think that's really vital and I think AI can even be extremely helpful at enhancing human connection experiences. Within your schools and three? Continue listening to the Restart, recharge podcast. How's that?
Matthaeus Huelse:Can't go wrong with that. Wow. That's always good advice. Thanks. I mean, maybe pandering to the audience a little bit here, but I I, I'm in favor of that third tip.
Celine Thomas:Let's do it.
Matthaeus Huelse:All right. Well Alex, thank you so much for talking with us today. I thought we gave our listeners some great starting points and explored some more fancy features of Gemini. where can people find you on the socials or on the internet if they wanna ask you questions?
Alex Melin:You can find me on LinkedIn.
Matthaeus Huelse:Perfect.
Celine Thomas:Alex, thank you for taking some time with us today on our Restart Recharge podcast. It's been a pleasure having you on the show, and thank you all for tuning in we hope you have a great rest of your day.
Matthaeus Huelse:Indeed. Thanks,
Alex Melin:Thank you guys.
Matthaeus Huelse:Thanks for spending time with us today. If you found this episode helpful, please share it with an educator friend.
Katie Ritter:And connect with us on social media @RRCoachCast to let us know what you thought of the episode and what topics you want us to discuss next.
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Katie Ritter:So press the restart button,
Matthaeus Huelse:recharge your coaching batteries, and leave feeling equipped and inspired to coach fearlessly with the Restart Recharge podcast,
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Matthaeus Huelse:do you wanna bring us back from commercial and set her up for that question and I'll find a way to include the other
Celine Thomas:one.
Matthaeus Huelse:Okay.
Celine Thomas:Sorry, I almost got, you gotta clear your throat. I was about to start laughing because I realized what we're doing.
Alex Melin:I know, I forgot. I didn't even know what.
Celine Thomas:we're doing a podcast like it. I don't know why that's funny to me. I just got the giggles. Sorry.
Matthaeus Huelse:You're good. I, I don't hear enough giggles to be honest with you, man. There now I heard giggles, so that's actually like, that's,
Celine Thomas:I'm trying to hold it.'cause if I start, if I start rolling, I'll just start laughing. So that's why. Okay,
Matthaeus Huelse:so don't interrupt. Okay.
Celine Thomas:Pull it together. almost done. You got
Alex Melin:You got it.
Celine Thomas:I'm just, no, I don't know where it's coming from. Is it trauma?
Matthaeus Huelse:And just because we're recording it doesn't mean that it gets any different. It's still the same thing. We still just talk. We have a fun conversation. You are however, in podcast jail right now, Alex, you cannot leave the, sorry. The leave session
Alex Melin:Oh,
Matthaeus Huelse:grayed out if you haven't noticed.
Alex Melin:see that.
Matthaeus Huelse:So fair warning at the end, um, don't immediately close out and leave 'cause it's gonna have to do some processing. It records on your device and then it sends it over to us. So. it running. Um, don't close out right away. We'll stay on the line with
Alex Melin:Okay.
Matthaeus Huelse:And just, you know, we're just gonna have a fun little conversation, uh, effectively. It's only gonna be 20 minutes long, even though we record for longer, but that's, that's our
Alex Melin:Okay. Awesome. That sounds great.
Celine Thomas:Great.
Matthaeus Huelse:So you're ready to go then?
Celine Thomas:I'm ready if you are ready. Okay.
Matthaeus Huelse:I'm ready. I, I clear my throat, like with some gravitas is, and I was like, this is serious. It'll be right. Mm-hmm. I gotta
Alex Melin:Uh.
Matthaeus Huelse:Welcome back coaches to restart, recharge your number one stop to fuel up on motivation and get ignited and excited for anything coaching related, working in K 12 classrooms with teachers as an admin leader or as any other role you might have in that. Position that you're in. We want to talk today a little bit more about ai, what's on everyone's mind. We are gonna take a little closer look at Gemini specifically and what other things you can do with it other than just Gemini chat Couple more extensive features and dive a little bit deeper into some of those conversations potentially. And we have Celine with us today and she's gonna be covering for Katie. And we're gonna, uh, have fun. Right. Celine
Celine Thomas:Sounds like a great time to me.
Matthaeus Huelse:It's, it's always a great time in here.
Celine Thomas:Let's do it. Quick pause. How do you pronounce your last name?
Alex Melin:Meline,
Celine Thomas:Moline. Okay.'cause I was about to say Melin.
Matthaeus Huelse:I'm
Alex Melin:I would've rolled with it either way. So
Celine Thomas:Okay. Moline, what's the
Matthaeus Huelse:craziest one? You've heard it?
Alex Melin:I, I feel like melon is
Matthaeus Huelse:Melon. I was
Celine Thomas:about
Alex Melin:the, the craziest and most common. So
Celine Thomas:So Meline,
Alex Melin:Yeah,
Celine Thomas:my name
Alex Melin:it's Selene. Yeah. Yes.
Celine Thomas:That's all I
Alex Melin:Yeah. Yeah.
Celine Thomas:That's good. Great. So today we're excited to chat with Alex Melin Alex is an instructional design coach at Forward Edge, bringing a wealth of experience from her five years as a STEM educator, as well as roles in project management analysis. And a structural design for federal projects, like that's insane. Her passion for learning and making a difference is clear in all that she does, and she also has a master's in environmental education and natural science and her journey continues to grow. We're so excited to have you on restart, recharge. How are you feeling today?
Alex Melin:I'm doing great. Thanks Celine
Matthaeus Huelse:Yeah.
Celine Thomas:Great. So we wanna kind of dive in 'cause you have all this amazing background knowledge and you've jumped into the Forward Edge team with all this expert experience. Now you've been doing a lot of sessions with ai, so we've heard, so could you tell us about your role and how you feel like AI has impacted how you view the state of education today?
Alex Melin:Yeah, that's, that's a great question. Um, so in my role currently, like Celine said, I'm an instructional design coach and I'm really focused on empowering, um, instructional coaches, educators, superintendents, IT leaders. Many different, uh, constituents involved in the K through 12 education space, um, to enhance their practices and ultimately benefit student learning. Um, so my work has been also with some Google for Education as a PD partner, um, working with school districts there, and it's, it's an exciting space right now, as we all know, because AI is. Flourishing and it is coming quickly and there are some great ways to implement it, to enhance student learning, and I'm here to help us find some new hacks with it and some new features.
Matthaeus Huelse:Yeah. That's awesome. And the, the hacks and the pieces are, uh, what we kind of wanna explore with you today. You've been working closely with creating some content for, uh, Gemini trainings and, uh, different purposes there. Um. Let's take a, take a look at at some of those.'cause most, most of us might have already heard of Gemini, right? The, the chat feature, you go gemini.google.com, and you can go in there and you do all kinds of things like create lesson plans, have it write you poems, or, you know, whatever you're looking for. Um, but there's also some more advanced things that have shown up, and we wanted to take this opportunity to look a little closer. So we thought about maybe exploring gems and some other features. So first of all. If, if nobody heard of the word gems before, uh, can you tell us a little bit about it, what it is, and why would I even explore it?
Alex Melin:Yeah. So just to recap a little bit, Gemini, if you haven't heard of it as Matteas was saying. Um, think of it as your thought partner. Um, your AI model for brainstorming, summarizing, thinking of new information, creative processes, um, and gem gems you'll find within Gemini. And you can think of these as like your specialized AI agent. Um, so we're a Gemini in general is, uh, a general, a generalization and your gems are more customized. Um, you can give each gem specific instructions on how to do something. So if you're an instructional coach, maybe you're using a gem as a professional development planner, you give it specific instructions about your educators, about your district, um, what you want it to do. And that way when you use that gem in the future, it remembers those instructions and it's customized to, uh, the specific learning outcomes that you want. Um, so this is a really amazing feature, um, that helps you become more efficient, whether it's repeating tasks over and over again, um, or if you just want something really specific to a practice, um, or a learning objective that you want for your teachers.
Matthaeus Huelse:Great. So when I set up and I wanna get started with a gem, right? It's in the same window as, as Gemini is. Uh, right? And I can go from there, click on the gem manager. How, how do I go about even, you know, I think you already gave us some use cases, but how can I identify some use cases here for, for coaches, for teachers, um, that would make this a valuable tool. What, what specifically can I do with it?
Alex Melin:Yeah, so when you're using the tool, like you said, you kind of go, there's a little gem image on the far left hand part, and you give instructions and it's easiest to think about these instructions, um, in three different parts. So think about whatever purpose you want or a goal for your gem. Think about the behaviors that you want your gym to do when you. Provide it with a prompt and give it some type of output. So do you want this in a rubric format, as I said before, do you want it in a PD format? Um, do you want bullet points, A summary? Um, and a really special part about gems as well, is there's also a help me write button. And so it'll expand upon all your ideas and you can take those ideas or you can leave them, um, and get rid of them as well. And as you said, Matthaeus there's many different uses for. For gems, you could use them, as I said before, as a PD partner. You could use them for curriculum development. Um, as a coach, you could use them for developing questions, feedback questions, um, to deepen, deepen your conversations with your teachers or with your district. You could use it for feedback, for smart goals. Um, there's endless opportunities to use with gems, um, and also just. As a reminder, you, you, as the human are with within, within this dynamic, and so it's really important to use gems to also enhance your relationship with your teachers and your districts as well.
Matthaeus Huelse:Okay. Can I, and I'm gonna see, I dunno if this makes any sense to you, but hypothetically, if I had like one use case, um, what would be, like, how would you go about, for example, creating a gem, um, as a coach or as a teacher? Like, what would, what would I put into those three exact, uh, categories? Like what can you give us like concrete examples for a use
Alex Melin:Yeah. Um, so let's go with goal setting Gem. So you want, um, to help your educators? Um, create personalized goals for themselves. So maybe you have a goal saying gem. You could even create one maybe for a specific educator or for sp specific, um, grade levels that you're working with. Maybe it's K through two, maybe it's science, English. Um, so pick whatever you wanna be specific on there for goal setting. Um, and give it, give it a, a goal for goal setting, which is a little funny or a purpose. Um, so maybe, maybe you want your teachers, um. They want to improve classroom engagement practices. Um, so you could write that in there. I want to help my teachers improve classroom engagement practices. Give it a set of instructions or sorry, uh, behaviors of how you want it to interact. So you can say, when I as the user, um, provide you with an example in my classroom, can you provide me with ideas on how to engage my class? Um, and then you can give it a type of output that you want it to create for you. So. Provide me this in a summary, provide this for me in a, uh, less in my lesson plan document. Um, and the great part about GEMS is if you already have an amazing template for goal setting, you can input that right there as an added file and it'll utilize that in the structure that it provides for you.
Matthaeus Huelse:Oh, that's awesome. So I can give it an actual file to also reference as knowledge.
Alex Melin:Yes. Yeah. And it's a fantastic feature. Um, and we've seen teachers using that as well, where. They have something that works really great or they wanna use a template or a rubric and they plug it in there and um, the output will match that.
Matthaeus Huelse:Great. So I could also imagine like you could use it for personalized learning, right? I could. Pro, potentially come up with some sort of gem where I say, Hey, I want to always use a, uh, a personalized learning approach for my students. Tell it, for example, my students have these kinds of interests, and then it would automatically tell me, okay, here are some ideas that you could use for this particular group. Is that
Alex Melin:Yeah, definitely. And then your, your customized agent is right there and it saves you time so you don't have to input. Those instructions and information about your class and their specific needs, um, every single time you're looking for ideas.
Matthaeus Huelse:So really like if I, if I'm a, if I'm an Avid Gemini user, if I'm continuously coming to Gemini and I always use it for something specific, if I find myself doing it over and over and over again and I don't want to write the instructions over and over again, that would be a nice way to like kind of shorten that distance for me and make that a quicker
Alex Melin:Definitely. Yes. That's a great use case.
Matthaeus Huelse:Are there any other like, uh, Gemini features? There's two specifically I have in mind, like, uh, canvas and deep research. Uh, I know that people that might be using it have seen those pop up. Can you tell us a little bit about those two?
Alex Melin:Yeah. So, um, as I said before, think of Gemini as like your thought partner. Your gems are your customized, uh, AI agent, and maybe you can think of deep research as being your, um, in depth. Research partner for analyzing, um, something where maybe you would need multiple, multiple tabs up at the top of your screen for, um, so I know teachers have, educators have used this maybe for, um, comparing different ideas or concepts, whether it's looking for a, a new, a new field trip or, uh, looking across how to differentiate learning for different learners. Um, this is a great tool because it will scan. Hundreds of websites on your behalf and come up with a research plan, uh, for you in minutes.
Matthaeus Huelse:I can just have it go
Alex Melin:Yes, it'll go in the background. Um, input your information, approve the plan, um, and it'll come up with some ideas for you.
Matthaeus Huelse:No, that's awesome.
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:No, I'm not gonna lie. I've used that definitely to do some car research for me just this morning. Not gonna lie. Um, not a very educational purpose, but hey, it was fantastic. It did some great, it found over 200 websites and it summarized them for me, so I was really, really
Celine Thomas:Yeah, that's amazing.
Alex Melin:Um, and some of the other, I know you talked about some other, uh, really great new features that educators can use. Uh, canvas is one of them as well. So when you open up your Gemini, uh, you'll see deep research on one side, and you also see Canvas at the bottom. And if you click on that, this is a great tool for integrating Google Docs. And what that means is instead of using Gemini and scrolling down and adding onto your conversation line by line, it'll automatically update in a Google Doc for you. So if you're creating a lesson plan and you wanna switch the entire topic to something completely different, um, you can type that in and it'll change it right before you instead of rewriting the whole thing every time. So this is, uh, a great, a great use for efficiency for teachers.
Matthaeus Huelse:That's awesome.
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Celine Thomas:I love, this is amazing. I have to somehow get back to your point earlier about having human. You know the characteristics of being human embedded in your daily coaching practice as well, and it's so cool. All this new tech. I always think to myself, I needed this like six years ago when I first started teaching, but now we have all this cool stuff. So when we're introducing new tools through gems, through Gemini, what are some additional ways we can embed like. Uh, genuine connections outside of our daily, uh, practice as coaches with all this new technology.
Alex Melin:Yeah. I think that's really important and coaches can, and a hundred percent should continue to make those genuine connections. Outside of technology because, um, that's foundational for relationships, um, for relationship building, both for educators and for students. Um, and drawing from my background and environmental education and natural science, I see a lot of parallels between, um, the natural world and being able to connect with humans as well. I think connecting with the natural world and with humans, you need direct experience. Um, you need some shared exploration and you need this sense of wonder between, between you two. And so I think that's a great way to look at coaching. Um, in a sense, I think there's great ways to be able to share with each other, whether that's through co-planning, co-teaching, having those shared moments of exploration together. I think there's still a large emphasis on one-on-one interactions with your teachers and active listening to them. Um. And to make space for empathy within that. And I think there's also space for grounding all these interactions within authentic context. So just as we would with students with real world connections. Um, I think doing that with, with educators as well, when we're working with them as a coach to be able to really drive meaningful connection.
Celine Thomas:I love that. Yes. And even in your travels, like have you seen anything or have you made any connections as you're talking through tech and you're showing everyone all this cool like gems and everything like that, how do you feel like you've made impact in your role as well?
Alex Melin:Yeah, I think one of the biggest things that I've noticed within my role is. Teachers, educators, school systems, they wanna use tech in order to still enhance human connection. So how can we use technology to create that really amazing field trip opportunity or have, um, a really engaging Socratic seminar for our students where they're debating back and forth, or they're, they're creating their own podcast about, um. Um, lessons and objectives that they're really passionate about. Um, so I think there's, there can be a lot of, uh, connectedness between tech and human connection, and I think you can't leave out the human connection component of it.
Celine Thomas:I love that. Yeah. Amazing.
Matthaeus Huelse:For sure. I mean, like the, the whole point of AI too is I, I mean, we've, we've heard these horror stories of people using AI and not double checking the work and not seeing what it is about and not, not verifying information on it. Um, I think it's really important that we. Build that into the experience with the, with the tech for sure.
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:we're gonna take a quick little break for our sponsors and then we will be right back with Alex talking a little bit more about AI and the impact it has on education.
Alex Melin:Awesome. Look forward to it.
Matthaeus Huelse:Cool. Break. And then everybody's good.
Celine Thomas:Immaculate.
Matthaeus Huelse:Immaculate.
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:Alex, you
Alex Melin:Yep.
Matthaeus Huelse:And you think that, um, nevermind. No, I think we're we're good. Um, last question is gonna be about future AI applications in
Alex Melin:yeah. Let me see about that one.
Matthaeus Huelse:What could coaches do over the summer? Okay. So
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:go into the the summer question. I kind of, yeah,
Celine Thomas:you can rephrase that too. Like,
Matthaeus Huelse:I think I wanna squeeze in the question in ahead of time. Yeah, yeah. About AI literacy, if that's cool.
Alex Melin:Yeah. What do you want? What do you want me to talk about that.
Matthaeus Huelse:So, I mean, honestly, I mean, just as a, as a genuine question right now, I'm curious, what do you think teachers need to know right now? What do coaches also need to know right now about. AI when they're approaching scope because there's, there's all kinds of mixed feelings about it. People either are, you know, early adopters and or they are terrified because they don't wanna upload any kind of like, data in there that's gonna get them in trouble, or they, they see it as nothing more than a cheating tool for students. I guess. If you had to boil it down, what would be like the one, two, maybe of information you would want all of these people to know about AI at this point?
Alex Melin:I think one. AI is going to continue to be integrated into both educational systems and our everyday lives. So I think beginning to dip your feet into it, um, in minor ways is something that would be important. Um, and two, I think we approach AI just as you would even. Conversations with humans. So kind of what you were saying before, a little bit Matthaeus with double checking and, um, verifying your data. If I'm having a conversation with a friend or Celine and I are talking about everything, I'm not just gonna take every single thing she says as truth. Um, so I think making sure that you still have that emotional response to AI is really important for coaches, educators. Um, and he is in, even as you're teaching your students just does it. How does this feel? How can I double check this? Um, almost like you're debating it. Can I provide a rebuttal against this? Um, is something that's going to be important in the future. I don't know about, I'm trying to think of one, one more. Um, example.
Matthaeus Huelse:sure. In, in my head, this sounds like, um. Well, I mean, I do have a relationship with the person that I talk to, right? And I, I know, I know Celine, Celine would never lie to me. Celine would always be truthful to me, but I know that because I know Celine. Right. I don't know Gemini yet. In that sense. Maybe this is part about, you know, having that, having that experience to learn about what that AI is and what it does. does Maybe seeing it fail, maybe seeing it make a mistake in front of me is gonna give me that impression that reminds me of like, oh yeah, maybe I do need to be critical of of that thing more often because it speaks so confidently, right? I mean, it's so confidently says these things that, um, we as humans just tend to believe so easily
Alex Melin:correct.
Matthaeus Huelse:with, uh, with confidence.
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:Mm-hmm. Um. Okay. Nevermind. This was already like a part of a conversation. I just, yeah, we can probably just use that. That can
Celine Thomas:be used
Matthaeus Huelse:for
Alex Melin:You think? Okay. I didn't know if
Celine Thomas:because
Alex Melin:I,
Celine Thomas:re saying that would be crazy.
Alex Melin:but I don't know if I should have said something more like positive with AI too. I don't know. Those were both, they're critical, like almost like,
Matthaeus Huelse:I mean, and that's
Alex Melin:yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:that, I think we have to be
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:cr critical. We have to
Alex Melin:True.
Matthaeus Huelse:I think you also don't want to be the person that says, like anything that AI is doing is always great
Alex Melin:Yes.
Matthaeus Huelse:doesn't really convey the fact that there might be things we need to
Alex Melin:Yes.
Celine Thomas:Yeah, because you gave, and you gave supporting information,
Alex Melin:Okay.
Celine Thomas:example with that, so I feel like it's
Alex Melin:Okay,
Celine Thomas:Yeah.
Alex Melin:great.
Celine Thomas:if we could just double down on just like how people can approach, if they wanted to do a summer exploration, how would they start? Where should they start?
Alex Melin:Oh, I don't know where they should start. Matthaeus do you have some good ideas on where they should start? Like for
Celine Thomas:what are some fun ways
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Celine Thomas:getting ready to come back for coaching? the fall.
Matthaeus Huelse:Honestly, you know what, one of the pieces of advice that I would potentially give is to not even worry about using it for anything education specific yet. If, even if you just want to try it out to see whether it can make you a meal plan
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:you wanna try it out to see, do research for your car.
Alex Melin:Yeah,
Matthaeus Huelse:you know, it doesn't have to be an educational purpose yet.'cause it's vacation planning. Vacation planning. That's a good
Alex Melin:Yes.
Celine Thomas:fun stuff in
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:Um, how about. Okay, how do we incorporate that?'cause it just kind of jumped, I jumped right into that question.
Alex Melin:That's okay.
Matthaeus Huelse:Um, do you wanna bring us back from commercial and set her up for that question and I'll find a way to include the other
Celine Thomas:one.
Matthaeus Huelse:Okay. Okay.
Celine Thomas:Sorry, I almost got, you gotta clear your throat. I was about to start laughing because I realized what we're doing.
Alex Melin:I know, I forgot. I didn't even know what.
Celine Thomas:we're doing a podcast like it. I don't know why that's funny to me. I just got the giggles. Sorry.
Matthaeus Huelse:You're good. I, I don't hear enough giggles to be honest with you, man. There now I heard giggles, so that's actually like, that's,
Celine Thomas:I'm trying to hold it.'cause if I start, if I start rolling, I'll just start laughing. So that's why. Okay,
Matthaeus Huelse:so don't interrupt. Okay.
Celine Thomas:Pull it together. almost done. You got
Alex Melin:You got it.
Celine Thomas:I'm just, no, I don't know where it's coming from. Is it trauma? Like No. At this point I'm just like,
Matthaeus Huelse:egging it on.'cause I, I feel like we're having fun. That's okay. Ugh.
Alex Melin:You got it.
Celine Thomas:We were so serious at the beginning. That's
Alex Melin:Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:we need bloopers anyway.
Celine Thomas:Right, right.
Matthaeus Huelse:Sorry. Now I'm making it worse. I'm gonna be quiet over here. You gotta clear your throat. Like, like you're about to say something important. Yeah. Like I,
Celine Thomas:think of something serious like that.
Matthaeus Huelse:Dead puppies. Dead puppies. Dead puppies.
Celine Thomas:No, I'm trying to think of this. Dead baby squirrel. I ran over
Alex Melin:Oh no. That is sad.
Celine Thomas:I'm sad now.
Matthaeus Huelse:Are you sure? It was a baby squirrel.
Celine Thomas:It was a baby squirrel. I saw it. It was very tiny. It could be the chipmunk, it crunched.
Matthaeus Huelse:Oh no. Okay. No. Okay, now I'm fine. Now see, now we're serious.
Celine Thomas:right. Welcome back everyone to the Restart Recharge podcast. We're back from commercial break with Alex, we wanted to dive back in. We have one more question for you to kind of play around with. So we're thinking about ways we can, can engage in the summer. Uh, what are some ways that, uh, coaches can dive into. Some of the AI tools that we kind of talked about today, what are some fun ways they can if they're not too familiar? Just so they can gear up for what's to come when they return in the fall?
Alex Melin:Yeah. That's, that's a great question. So I think as, as we head into summer, um, teachers are taking maybe a slight break from teaching, I think explore, explore AI from a lens of yourself and your personal context, and maybe not even as an educator, instructional coach, whatever it may be, um, plug in some things and play around with it. Just, just as yourself. So maybe you're going on a vacation coming up, use deep research and provide some context on where you might be going, some options, your budget. Um, and I think you'll be pretty surprised at what it comes up with and see where, where it really does a great job and where some of the cons of using it and where it might be short falling a little bit. Um, I know recently I just. I just got a puppy. And so, uh, I was using gems to help me create plans for how to help train my puppy so that it's not jumping on people. Um, we're getting potty trained and it's been a great way to explore in a low, low stakes context. Um, how, how, how AI models work.
Matthaeus Huelse:That's awesome. Yeah, I, I, I love the, I love the travel idea. That's a really, really good one.'cause, I mean, send it off, do the research for you and it'll, it'll come back with a whole, whole itinerary That, that's it. That's awesome.
Alex Melin:Yeah, and then you can look at it and say like, I love this plan, or I don't, and play around with iterating some of the prompts and finding something that works for, for you.
Matthaeus Huelse:Yeah, I think it's almost funny too because you start off and when you're not, when you just like start exploring you, you are definitely going to start reading the text more and with a lot of detail and be careful to make sure that it looks good. I think one of the downfalls is the more you use it, the more you get convinced by it, the less you tend to do that, which, so I guess really good piece of advice is to just keep being critical of it, right?
Alex Melin:Correct.
Matthaeus Huelse:it right off the bat.
Alex Melin:Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely, definitely a good thing to keep in mind when using ai.
Matthaeus Huelse:Yeah. Uh, another good thing that I will say that you could do over the summer, if you wanna learn a bit more about ai, we are offering an AI training,
Alex Melin:Ooh.
Matthaeus Huelse:cohort over the summer where, um, you can join individually or you can sign up, uh, a group of teachers or Ed leaders that are interested. Um, it's a summer program that's about seven learning sessions. Uh. and planned by yours truly. Oh, wow. That's, that's the other simple plug. I know, I know it does. Hey, it's super smooth. Nobody even noticed. Um, it's a great opportunity to learn about more about ai, learn about what it is, uh, connecting it to actual teacher tasks like personalizing, differentiating, uh, this summer specifically, we'll focus on going over, you know, the materials you already have and getting ready for the next year. We also offer that program throughout the year for school districts, fully virtual or in person, and we. Tend to, uh, get a bunch of really, really interesting and really excited participants that, that are already in the AI game. But you can also be brand new to this. We, um, we focus on all of the important components of ai. We discuss the, the downfalls, the limitations, its impact on society and on education, on the environment. Um, and if you are. Planning to do a personalized cohort. We also create an ai, guidelines or AI policy together with your group. So, uh, if you wanna learn more about it, go to forward-edge.net/ai-training and you'll be able to see all of our details and the different programs that we offer that will prepare your faculty to be experts on the AI AI space. AI space the AI space and, uh, share their thoughts, uh, with the rest of the community and then share out what they learned with the rest of their departments. So that was just a quick little shameless plug that I will now go to our absolute final question we always have for our participants, our top three tips for anybody that wants to learn a little bit more about Gemini and get ready this summer. To use AI for the next year and be ready for that conversation. Alex, what are your top three tips
Alex Melin:Oh. I know I kind of talked about one of them a little bit, but I would say kinda going back to those key points. One, just start playing around with it for, um, personal use and see, uh, where it can help help you maybe in your daily life a little bit. Two, make sure that you're maintaining human connection. Um, with ai. I think that's really vital and I think AI can even be extremely helpful at enhancing human connection experiences. Within your schools and three? Um, I'm not sure. Continue, continue listening to the Restart, recharge podcast. How's that?
Matthaeus Huelse:That's fantastic. We'll
Celine Thomas:take it.
Matthaeus Huelse:Do you wanna do number three again with, uh, without the pause, you just jump right in. And number three,
Alex Melin:I do it without the pause? Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:you want. I
Alex Melin:Okay.
Matthaeus Huelse:know, Selia, how do you feel about it?
Celine Thomas:want? Okay.
Alex Melin:I could, I couldn't, uh, think of a third one. I'm sorry. Um,
Celine Thomas:Matt's fault. He threw you off guard.
Alex Melin:no, it's okay.
Matthaeus Huelse:about
Alex Melin:No, it's good. Um, okay. And number three, tune in to the Restart Recharge podcast. I, I.
Matthaeus Huelse:Can't go wrong with that. Wow. That's always good advice. Thanks. I mean, maybe pandering to the audience a little bit here, but I I, I'm in favor of that third tip.
Celine Thomas:Let's do it.
Matthaeus Huelse:All right. Great. Okay. Well Alex, thank you so much for talking with us today. Uh, I thought we gave our listeners some great starting points here and explored some more fancy features of Gemini. where can people find you on the socials or on the internet if they wanna ask you questions?
Alex Melin:Um, they can find me on LinkedIn.
Matthaeus Huelse:Perfect.
Alex Melin:Sorry, Mateos. You may have to take that out. I don't know where they can find me.
Matthaeus Huelse:No, and that's fine. LinkedIn is
Alex Melin:LinkedIn's about it that I want them to find me,
Matthaeus Huelse:That's perfect. No, honestly, that's also the piece of advice I would give anybody. I wanna wanna be
Alex Melin:so,
Matthaeus Huelse:you should have said. We've only had one person to ever say that.
Alex Melin:okay. That says, I don't want, yeah. Maybe take out the part about me. I don't know where, I mean, I guess LinkedIn, but I kind of paused, so.
Matthaeus Huelse:oh, that's fine.
Alex Melin:Okay, good.
Matthaeus Huelse:is, I, I highly recommend 'cause that's usually, you know, that's where you get a little bit of benefit too. Get a little bit
Alex Melin:True. Yeah.
Matthaeus Huelse:want to.
Alex Melin:Great.
Matthaeus Huelse:I would also double check your LinkedIn to make sure it looks good.
Alex Melin:You can find me on LinkedIn.
Matthaeus Huelse:Perfect. Okay, great. So you wanna take us out? Yes.
Celine Thomas:Well, what should I say? It's been great. Wrap up the episode, however you feel like. Well,
Matthaeus Huelse:can also just tell her thank you again and send those.
Celine Thomas:Oh, great. Well, Alex, thank you so much for joining us today for restart, recharge. No, I'm not, that didn't make sense. Sorry. Oh gosh. It's coming again.
Matthaeus Huelse:This is a safe space.
Celine Thomas:It's a safe space.
Matthaeus Huelse:It's,
Celine Thomas:well, Alex, thank you so much for taking some time with us today on our Restart Recharge podcast. It's been such a pleasure having you on the show, and thank you all for tuning in and watching and we hope you have a great rest of your day.
Matthaeus Huelse:Indeed. Thanks,
Alex Melin:Thank you guys.
Matthaeus Huelse:And click the record button.
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