Midseason Reflection and Collaboration Roundtable

Join hosts Celine and Katie, along with special guest and podcast editor Ben, for a reflective midseason deep dive into the sixth season of the EDU Coach Collective. In this episode, the team transitions from behind the scenes to the forefront to discuss the strategies and guests that have shaped their coaching practices this year.

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Midseason Reflection and Collaboration Roundtable 

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Calling all instructional leaders, curriculum innovators, and [00:01:00] dedicated classroom coaches, or whatever they call you. I'm Celine.  

Speaker 2: And I'm Katie. As coaches, we know the path to school-wide growth can feel isolating with big responsibilities resting squarely on your shoulders.  

Speaker: That's why we built this space. 

We're opening the conversation to. Collaborate and bring a unified voice to the world of instructional coaching.  

Speaker 2: Elevate your practice with strategies that work,  

Speaker: and finally feel like you have a whole collective cheering you on.  

Speaker 2: So let's dive into this conversation. 

Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to the EDU Coach Collective. Today, we are hitting the brakes. We are officially at the midpoint of our season. I hope you all have enjoyed this time like it's been crazy. Flying by. Right? So we just wanted to take some time to reflect and take a pause, collaborate, and connect on some of the episodes that we've already watched  

So the three of us are looking back at the strategies we've actually tried out in real life, in our coaching lives as well, and giving you a sneak peek of what we're tackling in next [00:02:00] season. 

So we're excited to have Ben here, who's behind the scenes watching every single episode as he's editing, to kind of give us some insight, and he's also a coach. So we're super excited to have you here today, Ben. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. It's great to be  

Speaker 2: on this side. Yes.  

Speaker: Ben, you're like the Wizard of Oz of the pod. 

You're the man behind the curtain. Lights are bright in here, though.  

Speaker 3: You guys are great at what you do. I know, right? It's a little toasty, huh?  

Speaker: It is a little warm  

Speaker 3: in  

Speaker: here. okay, Ben, super excited to have you. Like Celine said, you are the podcast editor, and you are also a full-time coach as well. 

Mm-hmm, yes. Instructional technology coach working, at a career technical school. So, we're stoked to kind of have, insights from the editor/practitioner here- Yes ... today. So thinking about you hear all the episodes. You even hear some of the episodes that our listeners do not 'cause we Some of the, some of the cuts that get made. 

The deep cuts. but looking back at the first half of our sixth season, which I still can't believe, A, that it's June- I know ... and B- Yeah, it's crazy ... that it's our sixth season. but looking back at the first half [00:03:00] of this particular season, what do you feel like was a specific strategy or idea, that really resonated with you that you actually were like, "Hey, I wanna take this back and actually, implement it in my school where I'm coaching," or with your coaching team? 

Speaker 2: Yeah. first of all, a lot to choose from. There was a lot of really great episodes from Yak Shaving with Matt Brady, Are we really focusing on the actual problem, or are we dancing around it? To Jeffrey Riley, who I'll talk more about him later, just about all the AI pieces that he's doing and all the great work. 

the one that resonated with me a lot was actually, Kaylah Holland. She talked a lot about low tech in high-stress situations.  

Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.  

Speaker 2: And then I realized everyone's in a high-stress situation right now. That's kind of the climate of education. And for me, that really helped me kind of take a step back, and then I also incorporate a lot of Craig Randall's trust-based conversations with  

low tech related conversations with instructors, people I already have a good rapport with, and I think we got to the root [00:04:00] of deeper problems. And I think what was really neat is I actually do have one instructor right now that She calls it the vibe check whenever you walk into her classroom. 

Mm-hmm. And just, "Where are you at right now? Do you need to write something down to share with me?" And from doing that for just one quarter, she's gotten a lot more out of her students, a lot more motivation out of her students, just because we're not focusing on how do we streamline our quizzes, how do we streamline our curriculum. 

How are we just having conversations again?  

Speaker 4: Yeah. Mm-hmm. So I  

Speaker 2: think for me, that was a big piece for me, is just kind of taking a step back. With all the tech that's out there, let's go back to that more human element of things. And from some of the stuff Kaylah talked about, some of the stuff Craig talked about, that really resonated with me a lot. 

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. God, we have had some badass guests on this show this season. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go pod team. They've been great. Go Celine. Yes, yes. Knocking these people down ... all of the, the  

Speaker 3: entire team. Yeah. It's not just me, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I have to agree, too. I feel like that was the person I was gonna pick. 

That's crazy that you said that. Yeah. I was like, "Of course, we're thinking alike, Ben, too." Mm-hmm. We're spending too much time together- We are ... making all the episodes. Um, but yeah, what [00:05:00] I liked about Kaylah as well is her delivery on thinking about, not just creating the PD, 'cause she has a certain structure that she had to go by being in that restricted environment, you know, not having different resources and tools. 

So she had to make experiences. And I feel like that's always been, a go-to for me when thinking about, okay, even if I can't reach every single teacher especially this past year, I've had such a large district and such a large range of individuals that I was constantly going in between different buildings with. 

I was like, "Okay, how can I make this more of an experience?" And also in my coaching practice, make pivots and changes if I needed to- on the spot.  

Speaker 4: Yeah.  

Speaker 3: and sometimes it was just having conversation, it was just a natural experience in the conversation, and we could tie in some of what they're doing, in their coursework, and then relate it back to their real life, and then some of the technology. 

So I feel like that's such an important part, getting back to the basics, especially now, because there's so much [00:06:00] technology- Yeah ... being thrown in. Yeah, and I, I- So ...  

Speaker 2: referenced it back to career tech, too. A lot of my instructors, like, the tech is overwhelming. Yeah. Yeah. It really, really, really is. 

Yeah. And, and just being able to go back to there's a lot of ways to streamline with technology. There's a lot ways to innovate with technology. That one big push we did was Notebook LM this year with our instructors, really how to streamline curriculum that's all over the place, all these different checkboxes to make. 

But at the end of the day, the reason you are so good at what you do, and the reason you were inspired to do what you're doing, is that you had a good manager in your field.  

Speaker 4: Yeah.  

Speaker 2: and it's people, right? So I think that was really a big aha with all these conversations is the root, even the core of coaching, is all about building relationships. 

And I think that was a big aha for me with all these great guests we had.  

Speaker: I love everything you both said about that episode with her. She is just amazing human. But what really stood out to me about that episode, too, is, like, yes, there are obviously clear differences working in, a juvenile justice system-  

situation, you know? And Celine mentioned some of the restrictions. But it also reminded me of, how much we can all just [00:07:00] learn from each other, too. Because she said so many things that, just in my every day, I wouldn't necessarily as a practicing teacher or coach think that I would maybe have so much to, Yeah 

learn or in common- with this person working in such a unique environment. And just, how much I think she said that could resonate with anyone regardless of the education environment- that they work in. I just thought that was, a powerful reminder, we're all in this together. 

We've all got something to learn from each other- to take back and try to do this really hard thing of educating humans- ... and supporting teachers. Beautiful.  

Speaker 2: very true.  

Speaker: Yeah. Yeah.  

Speaker 3: And she also talks about The building trust aspect of it too, I feel like that kinda goes under the radar and how much time sometimes that does take. 

Like, I have to talk about this often 'cause I, for me personally, I went from a very smaller building to a very larger district. And so I had to, think about ways, okay, how do you build trust in so many different types of buildings- with so many different types of [00:08:00] administration, and think about, pacing and things like that. 

So I loved how she talked about her experience, and you all have to go back and watch that episode- because she can unravel it more than I can. But in her case she had more of a high-stress situation, right? And her building trust and the element of having just a smaller group of people, but it's high stakes for these individuals-  

too. I feel like that's such a huge thing when you think about the range of different coaches we're reaching, and you all can attest to this hopefully, when we talk about the coach network later, and hopefully connect with more of the types of coaches that we have. But, just thinking full range of how everyone has to interact and build trust in a different way too. 

I think that- was so interesting- how she pointed that out.  

Speaker: That's ... I'm glad you brought that up, Celine, 'cause I also feel like Jo Lein- really got to the heart of- getting beneath the surface level- with people. And I was just so fascinated by that conversation with her. 

And it reminded me, I think I said it in the episode when I [00:09:00] was talking to her, but it reminded me multiple seasons ago we had Jimmy Casas on. and he said something that was, like, one of those fundamental moments for me- about, like, it's not that teachers are resistant. Like, you have no idea- Mm-hmm 

what past experiences they've had- Yeah. Yes ... with a coach or someone in that coaching position. So it's not you. Like, you could represent a really bad situation in their past. Bring up anxiety. And I felt like Jo Lein really kind of took that concept and, helped give some tangible strategies of, like, how do you get beneath that surface and  

kind of understand the belief systems that are going in, and, like, ultimately, like, how can you help build trust- with those belief systems?  

Speaker 2: I was given a quote about a year ago, "You don't know what you don't know, so how are you gonna know?" Yeah. Mm-hmm. And that really has resonated with me especially in those situations. 

Like, you don't know why somebody's pushing back. You don't know the things- that might be going on. And it really is the earnest on us to say, "Well, what's that gonna take? what is it really going to take for us to be more of the listener, the understander, than the one just pushing agendas or [00:10:00] pushing ideas?" 

'Cause we always have ideas. We all have ideas. That's what's really special about all of us. But how many of us can actually take that step back and create the right setting for somebody to feel comfortable? For sure. It's a big, big piece. And stay curious- Yeah ... to ask the right questions.  

Speaker: Mm-hmm. 

Right. Yeah.  

Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that. And in thinking about that, I'll pivot to our next conversation piece. So I know, we as coaches- As we're going through, and feel free to chime in too, as you're watching all of this, I'm sure like in our observations and conversations sometimes we have to take time to make the pivot and also reflect on our entire year. 

Like, that's what I've recently been doing. I'm just like, "Okay, start to finish, what have I accomplished? What were some things that were messy?" So I'm interested to know was there any part in your journey where you're like, "Huh, I kind of did change my style like partway through"? Or you learned your own boundaries, you learned your own-  

Speaker 2: Yeah 

you know, specific thing. It's, it's an interesting piece, right? So this is my second year as a coach, So my first year was really that building trust, getting to know people. and then I think whenever you really establish yourself [00:11:00] somewhere, people start to really build that trust with you. 

People start to give you a lot on your plate. You start to feel more like that innovator because you're starting to understand people more- which means your bandwidth really changes, right? And, a lot of us are empathy driven. That's why we're in education. I found myself many times burning myself out too often-  

looking at my interaction log and I'm like, "I have 15 interactions today. That should not be happening. I should be really thinking about what I'm doing." Yeah. Right? So I think my approach was more so intentionality, the idea of I need to be better also at organizing. 

Like, these are the people that I need to reach out to. This is the way that I need to get things done. and then even just from the personal side, even if I'm not giving a solution right away, just checking in with that person. Like, "Hey, I know this is our goal, but right now why don't we focus on X, Y, and Z so that we can talk about this next time,"  

Speaker 4: right? 

Yeah. It doesn't  

Speaker 2: need to all be done right at once. And I was also splitting time between two different buildings last year. I had four days now in the same building, which that obviously was incredible- just being able to have that opportunity. But [00:12:00] I think for all of us, our bandwidth and our empathy burn us out very quickly-  

especially with our position being able to be much more fluid, being able to move around- and do the things that we do. I think really figuring out what those limits are made me a more effective coach, I didn't find myself being strung out too much. 

Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. I love that. I feel like I had to do the same. for me at the beginning When I first started at the new district, they were already kind of weary in some patches 'cause they had previous coaches that didn't have good experiences with- Mm-hmm. Yeah ... so back to that, high risk situation. 

Yeah. Right. That's what it felt like. Everyone was like- ... " 

Speaker 4: Who are you?" Yeah. So  

Speaker 3: it took, it really did, it took me, like, an entire semester, and I think I might have oversold it 'cause by the time summer was over and I came in, everyone was like, "Oh, Celine, hey, hey, hey." And I was like, "Oh, we're popular now." Yeah, popular girl at school. 

business is booming. Yeah. I was like, "I oversold this-" "... per usual." but yeah, just thinking about that, I think one of my biggest strategies that I [00:13:00] pulled, being in a bigger district was, just kind of like mass producing or taking advantage more so of the spaces where I was able to get everyone at once. 

So, staff meetings, staff meetings, some of, the department meeting chairs when they were- doing different things to give information. and sometimes, like you said earlier, just asking specific questions 'cause sometimes the teacher would be like, "Hey, I need help with this." 

So instead of, running right away to that person, sometimes if my schedule was conflicted, I would ask a follow-up question.  

Speaker 4: Yeah. And  

Speaker 3: it was, like, a very clear what they needed, and I could just send something over, whether it- be like something I've already created or, like, redirect them to the tech page that I made where I've already built something. 

so that saved me a lot of time instead of hitting those miles and driving- ... building up. I'm like- Yeah. Right ... "What do you need?" Celine's always on a breath. Yeah. That's what it felt like some days. Like, there were some days I was going to, like, three different buildings, and I had to be like, "Okay, Celine-  

let's, like, think through this." The, the work, the work smarter- This is me ... not [00:14:00] harder mentality. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah. For sure. I feel like- Yeah, you  

Speaker: duplicated yourself. Yes. I feel like something both of you have kind of said, going totally rogue here for a sec, but, so Ben, feel free to edit this out. 

but I, y- you mentioned empathy specifically. And you mentioned, like, okay, business is booming, so you're trying to, meet all of the demands. I always felt like when I was coaching, and I feel like it even more in, my current position as, the most senior female in an organization-  

with the empathy piece, I do feel like that can be exhausting- for people in a coaching role. You know, like we joke a lot on the pod of like, "Oh, we're also, like, part-time therapists." And you know how many guests- have, like, made a joke like that, you know? It's like a common thing because when people do start to trust you-  

when they do rely on you- like you're making their lives easier, so, like, of course they're gonna depend on you and wanna confide and partner with you more and more. But you can also become an earpiece- about so much- that's going wrong 'cause you do have that trust- with people. 

and I think that can, really start to weigh on you- emotionally. And I don't even have a question. [00:15:00] I don't know where I'm going with this. It's just, a point that, It's relatable ... Yeah ...  

Speaker 2: I know at Forward Edge we've talked a lot about radical candor , and then we talked about in our network. 

that corner of ruinous empathy, empathy can be ruinous. Yes. Yeah. And, and it really can be something, it doesn't matter if it's coaching, your personal life, the second you lean too much into empathy, you've created 10 more problems for yourself, right? Yeah. Because then people expect you to be that person, and you're actually pushing yourself beyond your own limits and beyond your own means. 

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it's creating a narrative for yourself of what you expect yourself to do, so then you feel like you're not living up to it. it's a very vicious cycle- Yes ... of ruinous empathy. And then you're in your  

Speaker: head like, "Oh my God, I have all these things I have to fix- and I don't know what I'm gonna do." 

That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And,  

Speaker 2: and sometimes it's so hard as an empathetic person to actually sit down, look at the root of a problem, and say, "Why does it keep happening? Where is it going?" Mm-hmm. Yeah. "And how do we actually stop those things?" Even if it means that we're not doing the coddling that we maybe feel inclined to do. 

Yeah. Because at the end of the day, there might be tougher conversations at the start of that- but it's actually [00:16:00] going to lead to better results in the long run. And that's- Yeah ... that's a hard thing. That's just, I mean, that's something that, I say it out loud, am I doing it? Not always right now, but  

it's so important. It really is. Yeah. I have- Yeah ...  

Speaker: often over the years found myself in the, like, empathetic trap of trying to, like, solve the problem for everyone. And I'm just like, there are times where it's just exhausting. it's hard. Yeah.  

Speaker 3: It's r- as just being one person, it's like-  

okay. I don't know if I can change your entire life, but like deep down inside- ... I wish I could. Yes. In that way. Yep. All I wanna do. I wish I could if I could. Yes, I really wish I could. And it, and it's hard too- 'cause you wanna have that light. like you said, as an empathetic person, like you just feel things. 

You were- just like, "Oh my gosh, I can feel- the struggle." You take it home with you. Yes. You do. Yes.  

Speaker 2: You do.  

Speaker 3: Yes. And that's one of my rules of things too, and I had to start doing that as a teacher too, 'cause like- Yeah ... ugh, the children. Don't get me started on that. And I feel like it just translates to the teachers, 'cause you can see-  

their passion in trying to make all these students' lives better. So it's [00:17:00] like you take a step up from coaching. It's the same thing. I keep seeing the teachers, and they can be veteran, like I mean older than me by many of years. I still see them as like students.  

So it's like, okay, you still have to have that- Self-preservation at the end of the day, okay, I'm not going to take this home. Like, I have a car to car policy. Once I open my car door, I'm leaving it there. I like that, though. I like that. Yeah, it's just, like, leaving it at the door and not taking it home because you can pick it back up when you come back, like it's not- And it's funny, though- Yeah 

'cause it, it  

Speaker 2: really does go back to the root of teaching, right? I mean, the first thing we talk to a lot of new teachers about is procedures, you know, how to actually, make something that works. And sometimes students get frustrated with you because you are the consistent in their life. You are the one that actually has procedures- Yeah. 

Yes ... and rigor. And they may not like that at first, but guess what happens as the year goes on? Your empathy becomes more meaningful- because you have a structure in place. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um, some of my new instructors will just give them all empathy, but no procedures, and then [00:18:00] they spend a whole year of just dealing with the consequence of that. 

Yeah. Yeah. So it really is kind of the root of pedagogy as a whole- Yeah ... what, like, what this is. But  

Speaker: man,  

Speaker 2: practice what you preach, right? Yeah. It's hard. For sure.  

Speaker: So okay, thanks. Glad we could get that- Yeah. Yeah ... off our chest. Yeah. Uh, okay. Good. I hope you all feel it, but- I hope y'all are feeling that too 

help us. This episode's about empathy. Life is life and for everybody, man. okay, so speaking of, like, looking forward- what is a topic, something, like, messy that's going on in coaching practice right now? Like, what would you love to see us tackle on the pod in the second half of season six when we come back-  

after a little summer break ourselves?  

Speaker 2: So, here at Forward Edge, we also do AI cohorts. Yeah. And we do a lot of work with different school districts to figure out what a policy's gonna look like for them. And something I found really interesting, doing my first cohort this past year, um- Yeah, 'cause you're a big part of  

Speaker: that AI team. 

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.  

Speaker 2: Yeah, with Matias and the crew there. and one thing I really noticed is we don't talk about student use until, the fifth or sixth session.  

Speaker 4: Yeah. Mm. And Jeffrey  

Speaker 2: [00:19:00] Riley talked a lot about student use. We gotta get students to use it.  

Speaker 4: 100%. But-  

Speaker 2: Do our teachers know how to use it? Yeah. 

Are our teachers prepared to actually be the instructor to figure out the best practices for it? And more times than not, the answer's no. We don't have that training. So I definitely think continuing the narrative of, yes, how do we get students to use this in the right settings but how do we also get our staff, how do we get our teachers prepared for that mind shift, for that shift of how to use the best practices of AI? 

Yeah. That's something I'd really like to dive into- a lot more.  

Speaker 3: I think that'd be good, too. And to tackle that, too, there's been a topic slowly, even in our office, about digital citizenship for the students- Yeah ... regarding AI. So I think that'd be a huge, like, one centerpiece, too. Yeah. Yeah. 

Yeah.  

Speaker: That's a good point. Celine, I'm gonna put you on the spot. Is there something you wanna see? You keep this whole pod team running together.  

Speaker 3: What do you wanna see? That's such a good question. I would be interested in diving into, collaborative spaces. 

I know we've had some conversation, with your team, and [00:20:00] I know we've done some with Tori and Jordan, but, really unpacking what that looks like, and some tips and tricks for the people that are in collaborative teams. but also, on the other hand, people like me that have only worked individually, unpacking and unraveling their individual. 

So, kind of getting both senses of the spectrum, like how do coaches operate in different levels and different situations? So I think kind of breaking that down, maybe preparing like a guide to going into the school year or throughout the school year for individual coaches. Oh, that's  

Speaker 2: interesting too- Yeah 

'cause, Caitlin, who was on our Great Oaks team this past year, she was by herself- to start with and came over, and I think there was definitely a shift she had to make-  

Speaker 3: Yeah ...  

Speaker 2: to kind of get used to like, "Oh, there's people we can bounce off with." But then there's also, the other side of like, I'm talking to three other people about coaching strategies-  

instead of just working through it myself.  

Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.  

Speaker 2: Definitely. I mean, I've never been by myself. So I would... be really interesting to hear about that if a transition ever happened. Like, what are the best practices? What are things to think about? what does that [00:21:00] ownership look like? 

Yeah. Definitely. Yeah.  

Speaker: That's true. I think I would struggle a little bit going from, individual coach- to a team just because- I'm so, like, "Okay, this is what needs to get done." do it." But, like, you gotta, like, check off, like, what's coaching look like here- across the space and everything. 

That's interesting. I think I would love to tackle, and Celine, I think this is like a little bit what you were getting at- with the digital citizenship piece. But I would love to tackle and talk to some folks, so email the pod if you're listening, but some folks who are really out there in the heat of some of these conversations around, like, less screen time. 

Yeah. And what does that mean- and how is your district navigating that- and having conversations around that with the community. I just think that that is, so interesting- and potentially has, really scary, harmful effects. I think, without going down a rabbit hole. But, I'd love to kind of talk to some folks who are heavy in that space-  

and how are they navigating it, 'cause you're seeing it pop up more and more- globally. you're kind of starting to see that pop up. Especially in like [00:22:00] elementary and stuff. Yeah. a lot of schools are under pressure. In fact, what you said, Ben, I mean, you focused the comment around AI, but clearly there's still a significant amount of work to be done- Yeah 

just around supporting our educators and navigating all of these different choices and options- that they have, right? I mean, if there's anything, I think we're just continuing to see the highlight of the need for support for teachers. 'Cause it's tough to navigate-  

everything they need to navigate- on their own.  

Speaker 3: Yeah.  

Speaker 4: Yeah. 

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[00:23:00] there! 

Speaker 3: All right. Welcome back to the EDU Coach Collective. We are kind of wrapping up our conversation here with Ben. It's been immaculate. I feel like we've covered all bases. We really- Yeah ... have thought through all of our episodes. 

We've taken an emotional journey every episode. We really did. Yeah.  

Speaker: Yes. We needed this really  

Speaker 3: bad. Hopefully, as much as you all did. Thank  

Speaker: you for coming. You know? Thank you for hosting my therapy session. Yeah, truly.  

Speaker 2: I'm always, I'm always behind the screen thinking, "Man, I could be there right now, processing this with you all." 

Yeah. So- It's immaculate ... it's great. That's what we do it for.  

Speaker 3: But yes, we would love to connect more with what you have as an editor, but also now, I'm just gonna say it, co-producer, have implemented with some new changes to the podcast and how we can, as a group, get connected and those that are listening to get more connected with what we got going on. 

Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah. So, the EDU Coach Network is now absorbing the podcast, so you can find all of our episodes there. On top of that, we have added in the community an open forum. So this can be anything about the wins that you're currently [00:24:00] succeeding as a coach. questions that you might have, even ideas for episodes, and we'll actually be pinning those posts as the year progresses. 

But a really great opportunity for not only our people to be speaking to you guys, but you guys be speaking to us. What are some things you wanna hear about? What are some things you wanna learn? What are some struggles that you're seeing and experiencing? And I think for us, that really helps guide to figure out what direction we wanna take. 

What are the people wanna find to share their knowledge and their expertise on. So we're very excited for that merge, if you will, of, getting more a part of the EDU Coach Network.  

Speaker: That's amazing. Ben, where would I go if I was looking for the EDU Coach Network,  

Speaker 2: if you go to educoachnetwork.com, you sign on in, you can go to our community page, and right there on the left-hand side you'll see open forum, and that's where all the conversation will be happening. 

Speaker: Awesome. Perfect.  

Speaker 3: Yes, and don't forget also to catch us at ISTE. We'll be around conversing and whatnot, and we'll h- me and Ben will have some cards. So if you wanna get connected, come find us at ISTE for sure.  

Speaker: Yes.  

Speaker 3: Awesome.  

Speaker: Ben, thank you so much. Thanks for having me. for editing. Yeah. Yeah. 

Yes. And, uh, putting up with sometimes the giggles overcome- Yeah, absolutely ... or the brain farts- This is the [00:25:00] person ... or whatever happens. Yeah. 

Speaker 3: Yes. Well, thank you all so much, and thank you for taking some time to listen to us, throughout the season. 

We're so excited to give you a chance to look at some of the past episodes we've done so far, and we look forward to our next chunk of the season coming back in August. So we'll see you in our next episode.  

Speaker: Happy summer. 

Speaker 3: That's a wrap on another incredible conversation. 

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