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S7: E1: Dead Man's Hand - Tales From Dead Man's Hand
Date: July 10th, 2024
Name of podcast: Backstage Pass Radio
S7: E1: Dead Man's Hand - Tales From Dead Man's Hand
SHOW SUMMARY:
Ever wondered how a rock band evolves over the years, from their formation to their current lineup? Trey Gadler and John Adams from Dead Man's Hand take us through their journey, sharing fascinating stories about their band's history and the vibrant Houston music scene. Get the inside scoop on their latest projects, including their new single "Bobblehead Jesus," and find out what goes on behind the scenes at the Crystal Vision studio. This episode is packed with anecdotes, from memorable gigs to the camaraderie that binds the band members together.
Step into the world of music video production as we unravel the creative process behind Dead Man's Hand's latest video. Hear about the involvement of family members like Brazos and Maddie Ray, and enjoy a live acoustic performance that captures the raw essence of their music. It's a blend of humor, creativity, and the sheer passion that drives the band.
From exploring their musical influences to navigating the complexities of the music business, Trey and John share invaluable insights. Learn about the impact of social media on music promotion, the importance of guest lists for band revenue, and the evolution of music distribution in the digital age. The episode wraps up with a nostalgic look at their guitar collections and entrepreneurial ventures, emphasizing their commitment to craftsmanship and live performances. Whether you're a die-hard fan or just discovering Dead Man's Hand, this episode promises a rich tapestry of stories and music that you won't want to miss.
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I have a couple of long-tenured rockers on the show this evening from right here in Houston, texas. It's Randy Holsey with Backstage Pass Radio. The band has a new single out called Bobblehead Jesus and you can find that on all streaming platforms, and you can also find the official video on YouTube. You guys, buckle up and I will introduce you to Trey Gadler and John Adams of the wild-eyed southern-fried, finger-lickin', chicken-pickin' rock and roll band Dead Man's Hand when we return.
Speaker 2:This is Backstage Pass Radio, the podcast that's designed for the music junkie with a thirst for musical knowledge. Hi, this is Adam Gordon, and I want to thank you all for joining us today. Make sure you like, subscribe and turn alerts on for this and all upcoming podcasts. And now here's your host of Backstage.
Speaker 1:Pass Radio Randy Halsey Boys. Welcome to the Crystal Vision studio. Man, it's good to see you, trey. Nice to meet you, john. Good to see you again.
Speaker 3:You too, brother.
Speaker 1:Thank you for having us my pleasure. So what do you think about the studio? Digs Pretty cool stuff in there.
Speaker 3:Very impressive. Yeah, you know, I thought I was in a music store.
Speaker 1:I was going to go out in a truck and grab my wallet, but you know I don't take credit cards, Cash only. Man, I don't trust you guys. You look kind of shady, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:I've been in music stores that have less guitars than are hanging in that room.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Right. Well, we won't get started on that, because if my wife hears that, she might come down here and start bitching at me because I have too many of those in there. There's some upstairs. You don't see them all in there, but anyway, I digress right. Well, I'm glad you guys made it out. Thanks for being here, John. What part of town did you come in from?
Speaker 3:I'm in the Jersey village area so I'm not too far from you, about 20 minutes really on the back roads, not too far at all, okay. And you've been there for about how long, let's see, probably since about 10 years now Okay, Trey how about you?
Speaker 4:What part of town I'm right down the street from him. I mean Willowbrook area, I guess. Okay, I've been there 23 years, I think Something like that but lived out in that part of town since I first moved to Houston. I came here in 87. I've been pretty much in Northwest Houston the whole time.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, Gotcha. Well, it's good to see you guys. Trey, I know you're the vocalist, John, you of course are the guitarist for the band, but you guys share with the listeners the lineup for Dead Man's Hand. If you'd be so kind.
Speaker 4:Well, sure, it's John and I. And then we have Brent Marches on bass and Van Eric Turner's, our drummer. Both of those guys are very long-time well-known Houston musicians, Both of them exceptional at their instruments. So you know, this lineup has been together for a good while now, I think.
Speaker 3:Brent has been a long-time partner of Trey and his band, his hard rock metal band Azriel's Bane, so they have a lot of history together, oh yeah, I've been playing with Brent for over 20 years, so pretty much consecutively.
Speaker 4:You know, it was kind of funny when we had an opening in this band and the bass player we had at the time was leaving and we had a bunch of shows booked and I just asked Brent to do us a favor and come in and fill in until we could find a replacement. And he learned all this stuff. And he calls me up and he goes I'm in the band, dude, I went to all this effort to learn all these songs, so I'm in. So he kind of didn't give us a choice and he's just in. But we've had him ever since but he's been doing great.
Speaker 1:So the lineup, so it's gone through a few iterations over time, correct?
Speaker 4:Yeah, we started this thing and I think what 2010?
Speaker 3:actually it was 2009 between okay, it was yeah, so it's hard to believe it's been 14 years and you know, we we started off with well.
Speaker 4:John and I are the only guys that have been there since the beginning but, um, yeah, completely different cast of characters, but the guys we have now probably been around brits probably the band 10 have now have probably been around 10 years.
Speaker 3:I guess A little over 10 years. I think it was 2012 he joined, so it's been 12 years.
Speaker 4:And it's probably coming up on seven or something now for him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that sounds about right. So the youngster at seven years, right?
Speaker 4:He's still the new guy. He'll always be the new guy.
Speaker 1:Are you still hazing him though? You can't haze him anymore, though, right.
Speaker 4:He still gets the new guy treatment.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Well, john, I think I first met you. If my memory serves me correctly, it was at Rise Rooftop. I believe your band Love and War opened for Zebra.
Speaker 3:Right, we did yeah, and I met you right before after our soundcheck, I believe, and we talked briefly and uh, yeah, it's so that would spend what two, two, three years ago?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it sounds about right, it's been a while. It was a great show, great show by you guys and, of course, zebra always puts on a great show. I've had all the guys from Zebra on the show in the past and tomorrow night I'll have Randy Jackson back on the show in the past and tomorrow night I'll have Randy Jackson back on the show to talk about some new tunes coming up. But you guys, from a music perspective, you have a new single out called Bobblehead Jesus. Talk to me a little bit about the song and how it took shape.
Speaker 3:Well, it kind of took shape with me with a guitar riff, and then I always had this idea about writing a song, and it's nothing new. There's been actually a couple of songs written. One, I think, all the way goes back to the 50s or 60s, where there was a song called Baba had Jesus. And then there was another one that came back, I believe later, in the 70s, but I didn't know that. I thought I mean, it's not like it was a new idea, but, long story short, I just had the idea floating around in my head and the whole idea was about a kid who basically was a country boy who would go into the city and at my time I was thinking, wow, you know, maybe he was working in the oil field or whatever, but he, he would be gone long periods of time away from his wife or girlfriend.
Speaker 3:Okay, so basically he had a bobblehead Jesus on his, the truck of his car and you know, and of course I I said a flatbed Ford because I owned several of them for my company, so I was like that'll work Cause if we ever do a video. But uh, uh. So anyway, long story short, I wrote it about him he's extensive times away from his woman and he, just whenever he breaks on Fridays and he gets off of work, he can't wait to get back home to the country and see his woman and everything. And he always prays to his bobblehead Jesus about, you know, getting him home safely over his long distances to see his girls.
Speaker 1:So yeah, very, very cool song and cool video.
Speaker 3:Love that yeah.
Speaker 1:Great, great hooky tune from a songwriting perspective for you guys. Does it start with a riff? Does it start with a lyric? Is it a combination of both? Talk about Dead Man's Hand and how the songs form with you guys, I think it depends on who writes it.
Speaker 4:John and I primarily work independently. For the most part it's either I'll write a song and bring it in, basically complete, or he'll do it. We collaborate. And then we collaborate at that point kind of trying to, you know, kind of fine-tune his stuff a little bit. But for the most part it's one or the other of us writing a complete song and then bring it in. The other one of us might have an idea here or there about something you know, maybe change a lyric or a bridge or you know something. And we've done a little bit of collaborating where we've gotten together. Just the two of us sat there with nothing and started from scratch and wrote something. We haven't done much of that, though Very little.
Speaker 3:No, because we don't really get a whole lot of time to hang out. That's what it is, because he owns his own business. I own my own business. He's married I'm not married yet, but might as well be and uh, so, you know, if you know, back in the day, you know you always had a lot more time on your hands, but uh, but again, like he writes primarily on an acoustic guitar, so he'll get, he'll send me an idea, you know, a file, if you will, and then I'll listen to it and then I'll, you know, uh, expound, expound upon it about, you know, at that point, writing other other pieces to it or whatever. And uh, you know, I sing with him on every song, as well as a backup singer.
Speaker 3:And uh, for me, uh, it can go either way. I mean, I've had lyrical ideas and I figured out well, how can I, you know, get some music to fit this? Yeah, that's kind of harder, you know, it's easier for me just to get a guitar riff and then try to find a lyric idea that you know to fit it. You know what I mean. But but it goes both ways. Primarily for me it's mostly I'll write a guitar riff and then I'll, I'll find some lyrics or something and uh and then idea to fit it.
Speaker 4:I'm the opposite. I usually start with a lyric, but okay, but you know, I mean, there's plenty of songs I've written that started with a riff though. So it just kind of depends on what. You know, what, what's floating out there in the universe and you know, yeah you know it's grabbed, absolutely no, it makes sense.
Speaker 1:And it's funny how all the artists that I've had on my show, every everybody writes different. Everybody is structured differently. You know, I had um mich Michael Sweet from Striper on my show some time back. I've had him on twice actually, but the first time we talked about songwriting in general and he's the kind of guy that gets up every day and at what I don't remember the time off the top of my head, but at 10 o'clock am he closes himself in a room and he writes. He's very structured like that. Some people don't write until something, an idea, hits them right, or they don't even think about songwriting until that happens. For him it's like I'm forcing myself in here and I'm just gonna sit and think until something comes up yeah, he has a look, you know he has that luxury because that's primarily his, you know is what he does.
Speaker 1:That's what he does for a living.
Speaker 3:I get up every morning at 4.30 and I stumble to the coffee pot, you know, and I make coffee, then I'm out working and sweating it out in the heat every day. I wish I was independently wealthy and all I could do was just, you know, play guitar.
Speaker 1:I wish you were too, because then I'd move in with you, we could all play. I'll bring my guitars, hey man that would be great.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I mean I wish I had that luxury. But yeah, I mean that's why we don't get to hang out.
Speaker 4:I mean for me trying to force myself to write something 90% of the time. Anyway, that song is going to come out and not be very good.
Speaker 3:That's a good point For me, I don't it's forced. Yeah, I let the ideas come, and usually they will. And a lot of times I'll be just driving and I'll be listening to like an outlaw radio on Sirius and I'll hear something and it just triggers something in me and I'll get an idea and it doesn't sound anything like that song, but it's just something that triggers something you know and it's like, well, that would be a good song.
Speaker 4:You never know where the inspiration is going to come from. Absolutely. It's really weird.
Speaker 1:It can wake you up in the middle of the night sometimes that has happened to me too.
Speaker 4:We have a song called Bluebird that I wrote because I was driving down 610 and I saw a prison bus, a Department of Corrections bus, oh, and it was a bluebird. Yeah, it was, bluebird was the make and it just kind of triggered something in my brain. I went home and wrote a song about it, just something like that. It could be the most random thing, who knows.
Speaker 3:And everybody always thought that was really about a Bluebird. They never knew the story behind it.
Speaker 1:I thought it might have been about the cafe in Nashville, I mean you never know, right, that's right. Yeah Well, the uh. The video was great. I enjoyed the video. I've watched it multiple times, so probably four.
Speaker 1:four of the plays is from this guy, right here, so if you're counting them, you just know that backstage pass radio has looked at it four or five times, right? Uh, I wanted you guys to share, maybe a little behind the scenes, uh, info regarding the, the making of the video, kind of like where it was shot and the idea.
Speaker 4:I think it has del rasco in it, right and does yeah, yeah, I think dale's become our mascot, because we used him in the first video we did, and then he did the second one and now we're like, look he, he's gonna have to be in all of them.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm not sure how, but but yeah, he's good. He's like that guy from twisted sister.
Speaker 4:We did it with, uh, with kareem course sheet and uh, magic studios, local company here in town. Kareem's the director and the the genius behind it. Him and his crew were just amazing, phenomenal. And uh, we've done two videos with three. We just shot a third one recently. We're in the middle of our third one right now. But uh yeah, we did it all on location at our friend curtis summer's place out in man cossie texas, which is almost to waco, almost to waco he's got 70 acres out there.
Speaker 3:Okay, him, and uh, his, it was originally it's his dads who passed away and, uh, his mom and him go back periodically take care of the place and, uh, he invited us beautiful piece of land, the gracious enough to let us use it.
Speaker 4:That's awesome to shoot it and, uh, we did it over two days out there. And our actors yeah, the actors, well, other than Dale, my son Brazos and his girlfriend Maddie Ray, we used them as the characters. Oh, that was them. Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Brazos was the guy who goes to work and rushes home to see his girl.
Speaker 4:And they did great. Neither one of them had any experience whatsoever, but you know they're. They pulled it off well they did Both young, good-looking kids, so you know yeah, and they were down from college.
Speaker 3:They go to college in ohio yeah, so they came down and we snagged them on a thursday. We all took off of work and we said we got to go shoot this now because they were only here for the weekend.
Speaker 1:And was it child labor?
Speaker 4:you didn't pay them well yeah, I mean, I fed them.
Speaker 1:Here's some water and bread.
Speaker 4:I stopped at College Station and got a box of kolaches. There you go, and Maddie Ray being from Ohio, she'd never heard of a kolache. She didn't even know what it was, oh, wow. And then she was like, oh, my God, these are fantastic.
Speaker 1:So yeah, Well, what more could they ask for?
Speaker 4:Exactly, you know.
Speaker 1:Exactly. That's super cool. I wanted to talk more about the current release and the new stuff, but I was wondering if you guys would maybe play something live for the listeners of Backstage Pass Radio. Absolutely Awesome guitar solo. Do this right. Shotgun on my shoulder.
Speaker 5:You just sit down on the other side. Both of them vie for my attention. Both of them lend me advice. Both live by for my attention. Both live in the device. Should I take left turn now, baby? Should I take one and wish right or lay on my knee? But since I'll be sure I know the other just might make me fly. I still got secrets I ain't not told to be made. Sooner or later we all got to choose Talking sheep.
Speaker 5:When it all goes down, you still got to give a devil his due. Do the same for you. You know you want it. Angels said some you better pass. You're helping for self-destruction. You know it's hard to take your foot off the gas.
Speaker 5:The wind is blowing cold outside my window. See this sad, lost tale Of loneliness and desperation Of lovers' dreams shot to hell. I still got secrets I ain't never told you. Now, baby, I still got secrets I ain't never told you. Now, baby, sooner or later we all gotta choose. Talk is cheap. When it all goes down, you still got to give a devil his due. When it all goes down, you still got to give a devil his turn. So, guitar, solo, dance, right, shotgun on my shoulder. Agent sitting on the other side, both of them vying for my attention, both of them lending me advice. I still got secrets I ain't never told you. Now, baby, sooner or later, we all gotta choose. Talk is cheap when it all goes down. You still got to give the devil his due. Still got to give the devil his due. Still got to give the devil his due. Still got to give the devil his due.
Speaker 1:Awesome job, guys. That was a song called Devil's Due off of the Dust Bowl record. Correct, correct, yeah. And I always say there's nothing better than live music. I'm a live music junkie and it almost doesn't matter the genre to me. As long as it's live, I can get into it. I don't know if you guys have the same sentiment or not.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, you know the energy that the performer portrays is, you know, contagious, if you will, and it's always good to see live music and doing stuff, you know, but performing it like that's really cool too. We don't get a chance to do that very often, so yeah, it gives you a whole new appreciation of the artist to being able to see that stripped down, is you hit the nail right on the head.
Speaker 1:For me as a young guy I think it was before I got married, I was probably 19, 20 years old I remember walking through um, down around Bourbon street in the French quarter and there was this look like a vagabond of a guy. Right, he was dirty, his look like he hadn't bathed in forever, but he's playing this old beat up guitar. He's busking, right, he's basically busking on the streets. There had his guitar case flung open and he was playing the song. You know, it was like I was mesmerized by this. It just like it like trapped me and I I was stuck, I couldn't move. And I walked up to him after I threw five bucks in his case and I said what song was that? Was that your song? Was that somebody else's song? And he said that's a song called sweet baby James by James Taylor.
Speaker 1:And from that point on I was hooked on the singer, songwriter, stuff and I've always been the acoustic guy. Yeah, I've got electrics. I don't play the electrics, but you know the Jim Croce's, the Dan Fogelberg's, the, you know that's where it's at for me. And so when we talk about stripping music down with a voice and a an acoustic guitar. There's nothing better on the planet for this guy Nice.
Speaker 4:That's how I write generally with acoustic guitars, where I start almost all of my songs from, and you know I'm a big fan of the singer songwriter stuff too, like I love it. So you know, for quite a few years I did a lot, a lot, a lot of solo acoustic gigs, like tons of them. I've probably done hundreds of them and, um, it's a whole different thing, you know. Yeah, it's just, it's just you by yourself.
Speaker 1:You're very vulnerable. Even as a duo, you're very vulnerable.
Speaker 4:Turn around and give the drummer the stink eye and pretend he screwed up.
Speaker 1:It's all eyes on me. Man, that's it, that's exactly it. Well, what we're like for, for, as it relates to influences, you know we talked about, you know, for me, the Jim Croce's and the Dan Fogelberg's of the world you guys are. You guys are rock and roll guys, and I'm a rock and roll guy too, but I listened to a little bit of everything. Trey for you, what did you grow up with? What the music that? Well, in the formidable years that shaped you as a musician I mean as a kid- you know, I listened to what my parents listened to.
Speaker 4:I can remember and my grandparents, um, my grandfather, had a Marty Robbins 8-track that I wore out when I was a kid and that was my first exposure to any music and I still, to this day, love that record. But that, you know, that was I'm talking. I was like really young, you know. But you know, get a teenage years, um, you know, I was in high school during the 80s and, uh, you know, it was all that, the hair rock stuff. You know, motley Crue and Dokken and all that kind of junk and of, of course, the heavier stuff like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden and all that. That's where I was as a kid.
Speaker 4:I got a little older and I discovered people like Steve Earle, who just knocked me on my, you know, knock my socks off just phenomenal songwriter and I would say nowadays I draw a lot more inspiration from guys like him than I do from anything really all that rock and roll. I listen to a lot of stuff like you know, steve Earle, john Mellencamp, those kind of guys, and then you know, there's so many like phenomenal, brilliant songwriters in that kind of red dirt alt country thing and I draw a lot of influence from guys that do that. Sure, I listen to that more than anything else. I don't. I haven't listened to any actual like rock, rock stuff in quite quite some time really.
Speaker 1:You know I'm kind of like you. You know I was all the bands you mentioned, right, I grew up on that stuff, love that stuff, and I gravitate to the Americana stuff Now. You know the Jason Isbell and the 400 unit drive by truckers uh, reckless Kelly. You know whiskey Meyer, stuff like that, like, just that's kind of what drives me these days. But you can never take the rock and roll out of my soul. You put on point of entry Judas priest like and it's like yeah, you know it's like it's a jam, but you know I like the toned down stuff these days. It just seems to hit me a little different and I I was never a country guy growing up at all and but I said years ago when I started playing out as a solo artist, I said you've got to learn some of that stuff. You can't be a solo artist and be a one trick pony. You have to span multiple genres, right? So that's kind of where my love came in for the red dirt, the americana stuff, yeah, really good stuff. How about you, john?
Speaker 3:well, I do notice and it's a lot with a lot of people that I know as you do get older, your taste changes a little bit you know, you never lose what you grew up with, but, you know, you get a little bit more open-minded, if you will.
Speaker 3:Of course, I always listen to what my older brothers were playing and you, you know, for me, as a young man, a young boy rather you know Beatles, elton John, you know Tommy the who, jethro Tull, all that stuff I can remember. When Doobie Brothers what were once Vices are now Verses, I think is called came out, I just fell in love with that record. I used to write down all the lyrics to all of the elton john songs I used to. I used to love the same, you know. So, before I learned how to play guitar, I used to love to sing, you know. So, 1975, as a young man, a young boy rather. Uh, my one middle brother, who's about three years older than me, played UFO Fawcett record that came out in 1975. And I heard Michael Shanker. Yeah, and I don't know what it was to this day I still can't figure it out, but I had a friend that played guitar and he had three other brothers and two of them played guitar. So I'd go over there and they'd all sit around and play guitars. I thought that this is so cool. So when I heard Michael Shanker play, it was like I want to learn how to play guitar. I didn't know something about it, so it just flicked a switch in me. I started playing guitar.
Speaker 3:Then the next year, we moved to Texas in 1976. And that took menial jobs. I was 13 years old, 12, 13, whatever it was at the time and after school I would ride my bike to the Sheridan Inn in town and country where my mom was working, and I would set tables and pick weeds, whatever, and I would make a little bit of money. And I saved up my money and I bought an old guitar in a pawn shop. So that was my first guitar. And of course, at that time I was really into Led Zeppelin, aerosmith, all of your really classic rock 70s bands I was really into and they were a big influence for me and you know I would pick up their records and study every inch of it, you know, of course, but it was.
Speaker 3:It was a great time, you know, learning how to play guitar and uh, and of course, like Trey was saying, I gravitated into a little bit more heavier stuff that was popular in the in the 80s hair metal days and everything, like we all did and, uh, you know, all everything that I've done in the past has been that type of hard rock genre. And then, whenever me, trey gave me a phone call and said, hey, I'm trying to put together something a little bit different. And I've always loved all kinds of music, you know always. So what I played and what I loved was different things and even though I loved what I played, but I just loved all different kinds of genres. So it gave me an opportunity to go ahead and you know learn you know not really how to play, but learn to to you know progress a little bit as a player and to to you know write and and stuff with with Trey. And then we became a dead man's hand. So that's awesome, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I remember, you know very early on when John and I first started playing together. You know very early on when, um, uh, john and I first started playing together you know John wasn't hadn't had a lot of exposure to that kind of music, the stuff I wanted to do and um, I remember when I went rehearsal and, uh, blackberry Smoke was playing in a little tiny club the firehouse used to be over there for Richmond, yeah and there was like 20 people there. I took John and said let's go check these guys out. It was 2012.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 4:John was like floored and now he's probably a bigger fan of those guys than I am and I've seen them many, many times since, but I just think it was pretty cool. Now those guys are selling out arenas?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3:And they're even. They had number one country songs, Two of them, if I remember right, such a cool band. They've done a crossover thing and have been successful at it, and it's amazing.
Speaker 1:Well, I think we just lost. What was it? Britt Turner, the drummer just recently. Yeah, that was tragic. Yeah, I had a guy out of Alabama who did a lot of recording with Whiskey Myers and with Blackberry Smoke. His name is Adam Hood, with whiskey Myers and with blackberry smoke. His name is Adam hood.
Speaker 3:Uh, he's an acclaimed singer songwriter, but they co-wrote stuff off. I think he wrote mud off the whiskey Myers record.
Speaker 1:I love that song. Very, very connect. Well, yeah, it's like if you're going to write one for somebody and it's that one, that's, that's, that's the one right, that's a great song.
Speaker 1:I think everything Whiskey Myers does is great. Chris and I play a lot of Whiskey Myers and Blackberry Smoke stuff. Big Charlie Star fan. I like all that southern kind of vibe to it. It's cool stuff. Devil's Due this was the first single release for you guys and you guys educate me if I'm wrong along the way. I'm sure that you will, but that was your first release, yeah.
Speaker 4:I wrote that one man. It's been quite a few years back and I remember showing it to John and him and I kind of messed around with it a little bit. But we always put it on the back burner because we couldn't really figure out what to do with it, with the rhythm section, with the band and stuff, and it was like because it's such a an acoustic oriented song, you know, and um, so it, it sat around for years and then finally one night at rehearsal I brought it in and we showed it to brent and van and it took like five minutes and those guys just nailed it. You and I remember coming home from rehearsal, just blown away going oh man, that song's going to be great, you know.
Speaker 3:It was in a Dropbox file and we have a little thing, you know, and we'll share ideas, so it's been sitting there for the longest time and then I came up with that idea because I didn't know what to play. And then the guitar part behind it, and then it kind of opened up the whole doors for me.
Speaker 4:John does he's. He's really really great at writing these little counter melodies to whatever I'm playing or singing. And um, cause I I'm a very much a three chords and the truth guy.
Speaker 1:You know, that's what I do. Cowboy chord guy right yeah.
Speaker 4:No, I get it Totally and uh, john's the you're the spokesmodel of the band, right, so but anyway, he writes these just great melodies that are. They're not the same thing I'm singing or playing, and they're just counter melodies and they're and they work. And a lot of times it's it reminds me a lot of David Grissom. Yeah, you know, he did that uh, so effectively with all the Mellow Camp stuff back in the day, 100%, and John does a lot of that. And that particular song he wrote this counter melody. Once he put that on there, all of a sudden the song just worked. But it's our first release, our first single off the record. We shot a video for it, also did that video with Kareem, but this one we did in studio, the whole thing Everything was in studio.
Speaker 4:Nothing on site or anything, yeah and uh, but it, you know, came out great and, um yeah, we're proud of it that song came out at the end of 2023, correct?
Speaker 1:that was last year december.
Speaker 4:Yeah, november december.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we did it released right before christmas, I remember was it okay yeah, all right, backing up to, uh, the song bobblehead jesus, there was actually a bobblehead jesus figurine you talked about on on the dash of the video. I I didn't even know there was such a thing. To be honest with you, like I was totally educated, like it's like wow, it's actually a bobblehead jesus.
Speaker 3:Like I've never heard that before, so that's interesting that I'd seen them online before and they, they I mean they have different other religious figures and, of course, different sports stars and everything. You'd be surprised what they make of bobbleheads.
Speaker 4:We never got around to doing it, but we were going to have bobbleheads made of each of the band members and we were going to put that as the closing credits us as bobbleheads and we just didn't get around to getting it done. But yeah, you can get bobbleheads of anything. And we found out since the song's come out from reaction from people that have heard it and stuff that apparently there was a fairly popular song called Bobblehead Jesus back in the 60s from the movie Cool Hand Luke, which I had no idea. Neither did John.
Speaker 1:I didn't know I'm like you. I mean, when I heard your song Bobblehead Jesus, I said that's interesting, I've never heard that before.
Speaker 4:So yeah, when head Jesus, I said that's interesting, I've never heard that before. He brought it to me and I was like that's the coolest idea ever for a song.
Speaker 3:People started commenting on the thread and they would put the lyrics to that one.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'd never heard of that song.
Speaker 3:Like all these people, and they would be quoting the lyrics and everything from it and I was like, wow, I had no idea, man.
Speaker 1:How dare those people from the 50s steal your ideas?
Speaker 3:Stealing our thunder here.
Speaker 4:I mean, I don't know if we're going to be getting a letter from Cool Hand Luke's lawyer?
Speaker 2:I don't know, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you never know these days, man. I wish you the best. Either way, as it relates to new material, you guys currently have an LP that's available for pre-order correct, correct.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we're looking to. It's 10 songs. We've released two so far singles. We've got a third one coming out very soon. I'm not exactly sure on the date, but I'm going to say probably within a month, and then I guess our plan is probably to do four or five and then we're going to drop the rest of the records. I think we're probably going to drop the whole thing, like maybe September, I would say, fall after the summer. That's realistic, but it's. I mean, the record is, you know, mostly done. I think there's a few little. John's got a couple guitar solos to do and I think there's some more guitar vocal harmonies.
Speaker 4:Yeah, some backing vocals, but it's just like.
Speaker 3:Three quarters of the way done, you know the frosting.
Speaker 4:That's it. We recorded it up in Acadia Valley, Missouri, with Greg Gill, Endeavor Studios Endeavor Studios in his place and Greg. He was local in Houston for many years and both John and I had worked with him in the past in previous bands. I did two records with him back in the day and I think John did as well, I did one. I did one okay.
Speaker 3:No, we did two. I'm sorry. Yeah, we've done two records here in Houston when he had Diamond, we did one and then we did another one in Missouri with Endeavor.
Speaker 4:We did one when he had his place in his house here in town and then the second one in his studio when he got the studio. But greg's just, he's a fantastic engineer and a good producer. You know, he's got a good ear and super cool guy and um. So we've been working with him on this one and, uh, everything sounds great man.
Speaker 1:So isn't that funny, how, how, the, uh, the music business has changed to where it's just singles, single single, oh, single single. You know, back in the day it was all about the, the album or the concept album. You open up the album and you read the liner notes. It was like this experience. And now it's just bands and artists are just releasing singles. Just that's the way digital, you know, audio, has kind of taken the game right.
Speaker 4:You're trying to, you're trying to look at how to market stuff, because we're doing this on our own without a label. Yeah, I mean it's gonna be and honestly I don't everybody's doing it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't see. I mean, why in the artist? Why do you even need a label? You don't even need a label anymore, really it's just a loan you gotta pay, yeah, so yeah a very high interest loan, you know so so you know, but so try to navigate.
Speaker 4:Some of that's a little weird, because the last time I released a record, you know you did it the old school way where you drop the whole thing. Yeah, you know, and you, you press cds or lps or whatever and press them and then you release it. And you know, john and I are still debating on what we're going to press out of this deal. If we're just going to go straight digital and we have a lot of people say no man, I really still like having a physical product A lot of people want that physical CD.
Speaker 4:So we're you know, but for myself personally, I don't even have the means to play a CD anymore. I couldn't play one if I wanted to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're 100% right about that. I've got two of my newer vehicles in the driveway. Don't even have CD players in them. It's either MP3 or it's streamed. But I will tell you like I went to collecting vinyl about a year and a half ago, and not because vinyl sounds greater, but it's the. It's the whole. Again. I talk about the experience of pulling the liner jacket out, reading where it was recorded and just the stuff behind. Absolutely yeah you listen.
Speaker 4:It's an experience when you listen, there's something like ritualistic about dropping the needle 100%. That's what I did when I was a kid. I'm sure you guys did too. I still do. So we are definitely going to press some vinyl. I just don't know how much, but we're definitely going to do that because I want one for myself.
Speaker 3:And we'll do some CDs because there's a lot of people that are asking for them. I mean we probably won't print a crap load of them, but we'll print enough to satisfy some of the people that want to have them and everything. You know, we were on that music submit thing. I've got like three different people. One of our newest ones was from Amsterdam because you know they do this promo thing for your band and they're like they, if they want to accept or play you on the radio program or whatever, and that's. I got three of them that both say we don't accept MP3s, please send us a CD. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Cause they're old school. You know, most of Europe is way behind. I got an email yesterday from somebody in I think it was Holland that wanted, wanted to do a review and review and they said but we don't accept. You know that they were like really excited about the band. I guess they heard the, the singles and um, but they were like gab, please send us a physical copy.
Speaker 3:We'll get enough.
Speaker 1:That we'll get enough, yeah, we won't get a shitload, but we'll well, the uh, a lot of the artists that I've had on my show have vinyl product to to deliver and, uh, a lot of them are very gracious about. I'll send you a copy, or I'll send you a couple of copies signed, and I'm like you know what, I'd rather just buy it. I want to support the artist. So I'm going on record to say when, when you guys press vinyl, set one aside for me, I'll pay you for it. You guys signed it. I want to put that in my collection. So at least press one more for me man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't like taking anything for either, because I know it supports the artist 100 even when I go in. I'm not that kind of guy as hey, could you give me on the guest list.
Speaker 1:I've never been that way, I don't want to. Yeah, I'll pay the five bucks or the 10 bucks.
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely same way, man it's just uh, it's cheesy, if you well, you know, you know how much effort goes into it, how little uh reward you get monetarily for artists.
Speaker 3:We understand that. So it's like a lot of my friends, don't? They're like hey, you got to guess, loose Can you get us in.
Speaker 4:I'm like come on dude, you know it's like your money gets, it goes to us yeah. If you tabulated, you know all the the time that you're making an hour like 27 cents an hour or something like that Minimal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Probably less man.
Speaker 4:I was thinking about this the other day.
Speaker 1:You're being generous.
Speaker 4:I'm pretty sure I've spent more money on it than I've made you know. So I guess you know it's just a really frigging expensive hobby. That's what it is that's true?
Speaker 1:A lot of people don't realize that. You know, put me on the guest list. You know that not only takes away from the artist, but it also makes the. Maybe it might make the perception to the venue that you aren't bringing in as many people as you should. Right, so it's it's a it could go two different ways I mean it's not just to get me in free and save me $5 thing that could impede you guys from getting booked at these places again, because you didn't bring in what they expected you to bring in.
Speaker 3:Exactly, if you pay $10 at the door, $5 goes to the band. And at the end of the night that money doesn't show up.
Speaker 4:Well, there's also a lot of venues where a good chunk of the covers go into the production too, to the sound guy and the light guy and or whatever, and so, and if you're cognizant of that, when you go see somebody you know you should be, because even if you're really good friends with the band and most bands are going to be like, yeah, man, I'll hook you up, no problem, but it adds up, you know, when you know I don't know, you got a hundred people that say, hey, can you put me on the guest list, and all of a sudden, you know, at five bucks a head, you're losing a lot of money. You're losing a lot of money. We've done shows like that where we had I had like somewhere close to 100 people ask us and it's just like, man, I can't, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I want you there to physically support me, but I need you to physically or monetarily support the band.
Speaker 2:As well as the club Right sure.
Speaker 1:We need to eat a cheeseburger from night to night, right you?
Speaker 4:know what I'm saying. If you play a show and then you've got to pay the sound guy out of your pocket, it's like why?
Speaker 1:did I even come here? And I drove here. For what again? Yeah, totally Well. Where can the listeners pre-order at? Talk about the pre-order.
Speaker 4:The website, which is dmhtxcom. You can get everything there. There's directions on how to order it through our website. You can get it straight through us, but we've also got it going through CD Baby and baby and um, distro kid, yeah, distro kid as well. I believe you should be able to do the pre-order through either one of them as well. Okay, uh, but I'm.
Speaker 3:We have to set that. I have to set it up through distro. Kid, I don't know if you've done that with cd, but yeah, but it will be there. Uh, when, when we're getting close to it and we'll have, we'll be putting all that out. The best thing is to go to dmhtxcom. Uh, you'll find all the info there to order it. Uh, we also have merchandise, okay, and uh, latest news and everything, and social media sites, everything we'll have access into. That's kind of dead man's hand.
Speaker 4:Central is our website. You know we're pretty active on social media too, but you know I'm I say that active on facebook. We're old guys, we don't. I don't, I don't even know how to do Instagram. I've got an Instagram, we have an Instagram account, but it's like I don't know. I always keep up with that. We have a TikTok. I don't ever go to TikTok. I'm the one who runs it. I'm not real active on there, but my son, who's 21, keeps telling me Dad, you need to let me take over your tiktok page yeah, it's, you know these things.
Speaker 1:For us guys it's they're necessary evils. But With all of the algorithms, you know you have thousands and thousands of followers and you post something and you get like seven likes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's because there's only a handful of people that see the stuff that you're posting and it's so frustrating. You have to do it, yeah, but you just you kick and scream. Every time I post something for Backstage Pass Radio, my blood pressure just goes up. I can't believe I'm wasting my time, but it's a necessary evil. You have to do it to be relevant right.
Speaker 4:Our thing primarily has been with promoting this record. So far has been YouTube, where we're pushing videos pretty hard and they've been doing well. Both of them have had a lot of views, but Almost a hundred grand between the two of them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a hundred a hundred grand, a hundred thousand. Almost a hundred thousand. Yeah, which is not bad, which is pretty good.
Speaker 4:You know it's been doing pretty well, but it's like but just like you just said I was it the sound scan thing where they tell you how your record was doing? It's like okay, you're measuring stuff in terms of clicks, you know.
Speaker 3:You know it's weird that you brought that up because, like, for instance, our friend, they're called the Broseph Tucker Band out of Missouri. Craig Gill's the guitar player. They do a lot of. They go in and out of like Chicago all the way through Kentucky. They do all this that local stuff up there through the Midwest and a lot of places they play. They base on how many followers you have on your Instagram page, really.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Isn't that?
Speaker 3:insane that the booking agents does, because they want to see that a lot of people interact with you and that if you come over there, then wow, then you have enough people that can be listening and watching, and it really kind of blew me away.
Speaker 1:You know well what. I kind of disagree with that mentality and here's why because I personally know artists I won't name them that go out and buy subscribers or followers sure right. And if you look at them, if you look, name them. That go out and buy subscribers or followers Sure Right. And if you look at them, if you look at them, you can go click on the people that follow them and it's like how many posts did that guy do Zero? How many did that one do Zero? Right, they're fictitious accounts, they are, but it looks like he's got this massive following.
Speaker 1:So really, really, what are you basing? I don't know, it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3:to me it doesn't make any sense. It's a facade. I don't get it. It's all it is.
Speaker 4:A lot of bands do that. But we did some promotional stuff with both our videos when we first dropped them. But it was like link-based stuff where you're watching and it asks you to list a band, another band that you're contemporary of or whatever where you might have something in common with. So what they do is they take that band's video and the little ads like you might like, it'll say below that they put your video in there. Oh, okay, so we've done some of that. Yeah, sure, and it's helped a lot initially.
Speaker 1:That's still organic, though that's still organic, though that's still organic it is. You're not buying people.
Speaker 4:No, yeah, you're not paying for a bot to click a button Right. It's legit 100%, but it's still. I mean, that's kind of all we've done.
Speaker 3:It just gets it out there enough, yeah, and cheap either.
Speaker 1:I mean, I know those facebook ads are yeah you can run up a bill on those, for sure, I have well, I was going to say you know you talked about the website and as archaic as a website sounds these days with with social media, it's probably still one of the best ways to have information unscrutinized to your listener. Whatever you put out there is what they're going to see. Number one and number two they say and they say this for the podcast to start a mailing list and get your information out, because email is not. You know, it's not going to be, it's not going away. Yeah, it's not going away and it's not being scrutinized by the Facebook saying, well, you've got 10,000 followers, but I'm only going to let 800 of them see it.
Speaker 1:Your email is going to go to all the people on your mailing list. So just FYI. I'm sure you guys know that, but if you don't just FYI to you it's. It would be great for the band to start a mail.
Speaker 4:We have one. Okay, you go to the website and actually folks out there listening If you website and actually folks out there listening. If you come to the website, yeah, there's a little icon on there that says please join our mailing list, and you just put your, your email address on there and it comes to me. So so I'm the one who uh, actually I haven't sent one of those. I usually send out a newsletter, but I haven't done one in a while. I need to get off, you know. Get on that, but get on it, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, that's theA for the listeners of Backstage Pass Radio. You know, if you're into a band or whatever it may be, it doesn't even have to be a band. Join the mailing list, because then you're always going to get updates from your favorite performer or artist or, you know, actor or whoever they are right, it's going to come to you and it's your discretion whether you want to delete the email or not, but at least you guys, the band or the actor, knows that their information is getting to the end point.
Speaker 4:And it's also not. You don't have to wade through a bunch of you know, comments and whatever. No.
Speaker 2:It's just straight information.
Speaker 4:You know, so where you could have, you know, I don't know. You're trying to find just one little piece of information. Go on Twitter or Facebook or whatever, and you go through mountains of stuff just to find an easy one, one little thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get it. Well, I was wondering if you guys could pick up the guitars again and maybe play another song for the listeners. Absolutely, we sure will. We'll take it away, boys.
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Speaker 5:Whatever it is you might be looking for, Show the color of your money. Money, son, and they'll open up that door. So you got rules to play. The police Got room to spend. The real Say your boy's got everything and his chef got his deal. Wct Now give him all the pills for them fools. What you told him. You'll find what you're looking for. I've seen tea. You'll get a bottle of booze and if fools push you to the roof, You'll find what you're looking for In the pretty speed of a gala star. Thank you these days. They got our galleries down A post office street. We finally shut the ballonets down. Now my safe family's running restaurants and old Sam's long in the ground, the Palanis Down. We'll be right back. Free state of Galveston. They got rooms to play the puppets got room to spin the wheel, the sailboats they got everything. And the ship got his deal. Wck gave him all the blues and some fools in Washington. You can find what you're looking for in the free state of Galveston all this stuff, right?
Speaker 1:That was a song called Galveston, off of the new record that will be, I guess, fully released later on in the year. Correct? That's correct, yes, it's actually.
Speaker 4:The full name of that song is Free State of Galveston. But yeah, that song is about lyrically, it's about the history of the island and all the there was a lot of stuff that happened down there that I've lived here for many, many years and I had no idea, but during Prohibition Galveston was it was like Vegas, you know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there was a lot of brothels and stuff, oh yeah, gambling casinos and, and you know, uh, the mob it was actually down there, yeah it was. It was run, run by a, uh, a fan, a couple of brothers, um, that ran it and, uh, you know, everybody knew about it, like everybody. The cops were paid off, the you know all the politicians were paid off. Everybody looked the other way. So everybody knew it was like a big open secret, I guess, if you will, and it ran for many years like that and pretty fascinating stuff, I thought when I found out about it. So you know, I wrote a song about it. But, um and uh, it's just strange, living here for as long as I did I mean, I probably lived here for 30 years before I had I just stumbled across a piece of information about that I'm like man, that's pretty fascinating.
Speaker 3:We've actually played that song in front of people who've paid attention to the lyrics and say I never knew that we get that a lot all the time.
Speaker 1:Well, I have to self-admit that I don't know all of the history of Galveston and for some reason, six months ago or so I read something about the brothels that used to be down there. So even before that I really didn't know the history of Galveston, and I'm sure every place has a lot of history that we just don't dig into. And I'm sure every place has a lot of history that we just don't dig into. And I've been here pretty much all my life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I didn't know really a lot of what happened down there until he wrote the song and then I kind of researched so he taught you something, didn't he?
Speaker 1:So you can't teach an old dog new dress? Yes, you can.
Speaker 4:I like writing about historical stuff and you invent some characters and put them in a time and place of something that actually happened, and then I do that. I've written a lot of songs that do that.
Speaker 3:We have a new song that he wrote, that we just kind of all collaborated on, and it's about Judge Roy Bean oh yeah. And so.
Speaker 4:Same kind of thing, yeah. Same kind of thing. You know a really fascinating character from 18, whatever, it was 18, sixties or something. But and I just thought, well, what a great thing to write a song about, Cause this guy was like, he was a straight up outlaw Right and they made him into a judge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so uh, you know that happens these days.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, absolutely yes, sir Just turn on the news, you days too.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, Absolutely yes, sir. Times don't change, Just turn on the news, you know.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Yeah. Just turn on the Channel 2 News Fucking outlaws at every turn. Man Crooks, outlaws pieces of shit. You know it doesn't matter. Well, I didn't even think about asking you as I kind of outlined the show, but you talked about kind of the history of the songs and whatnot. Where did the name Dead Man's Hand come from? What was the idea behind the name of the band?
Speaker 4:Well, I mean, I think we might have John and I might have different recollections on that, but when I started this, my initial idea behind this thing was I just wanted to do a solo record because I had a bunch of songs that at the time I was in a metal band, you know, but I had been writing for quite a few years.
Speaker 4:I had a backlog of songs I'd written that would definitely not work in any of the bands I was in, and so I wanted to record them. And, um, so, you know, I called up John and a couple other friends and I said, hey, you know, I just want to put together a band so I can make a record. That was my initial idea anyway, and ultimately it turned into a band, you know, and it's still going all these years later and it's definitely not my thing at all anymore, it's ours. But my initial thought was I wanted to do something that had something to do with cards, like playing cards, because of Trey. I thought there was some kind of you know, because three cards is Trey or whatever. So that was my, and I'm not sure how we stumbled across the Wild Bill Hickok thing, but it had something to do with that, I remember it was Jeff Clifton's idea, our bass player at the time.
Speaker 3:Is he the?
Speaker 4:one who came up with the name he came up with the name. Yeah, I remember that I just remember.
Speaker 3:I wanted something to do with poker or something, so because it was initially his idea for the band, we decided to call it Trey Gattler and Dead Man's Hand. Okay, that's the way it used to be. So we had T-shirts done and all this stuff, and then it got to a point later on where somebody we won't name in the band kind of threw a big fit about it. It's like we're a band, why don't we have Trey Gadler in the front? So we dropped the Trey Gadler and we just became Dead Man's Hand.
Speaker 4:Well, that means that. So nowadays I don't have to be the guy that you know. The buck doesn't stop here anymore. I can go hey, it's a band, you're a democracy.
Speaker 3:Yeah right, go talk to the bass player yeah, and when we played galveston at woody's on the beach right there they they call it terry galder and the dead man band and the dead man band yeah yeah, close enough oh, it was great, man.
Speaker 4:I remember at the end of the night, when you know, they came up, they came up to us and wanted us to pay our tab and I was like you need to go act out, terry Calder, guys.
Speaker 3:We would go to the bar and say, put this on Terry Calder's tab. It was great.
Speaker 1:I know that, dude, that's awesome. That could work in your favor or work against you, because at the end of the night, if they write terry galder on the paycheck, then you're not going to be able to cash it right, that's right well our bar tab surpassed what they would have noticed anyway oh man, we, we had a standing.
Speaker 4:it's been that's been quite a long time ago. We had a standing 12 years probably. Yeah, we played there like what, once a month on a saturday or sunday, something like that. Yeah, out there on their deck, you know, all summer long and it was. It was a cool gig. But yeah, yeah, the Terry Gaulder thing was pretty funny. Those load-ins were a nightmare man, those things like super jacked up in the air, you know.
Speaker 3:Two storey, three storeys, that's right.
Speaker 4:It's on the beach so they have to elevate it. But you got to go up these ramps and, yeah, load in. At that place was an adventure man. I don't know if it's still there, but those were some fun gigs, yeah sweaty though you know.
Speaker 1:yeah, you mentioned earlier, john, about um, probably drinking, having a bar tab that was bigger than the paycheck and it it brought me to think I was supporting a buddy of mine playing the other night. I told you about this and and he said, who's coming up on your podcast? And I said, well, I got Lita Ford, I've got, uh, cherie Curry. And I started telling him you know all these people. And he's like, oh man, that's cool. And I said, well, I and I also have um, john Adams and Trey Gaddler from dead man's hand on the show. And he's like, oh man, yeah, I used to party and play with those dudes, but yeah, they partied like here, but I always took it to the next level and it's Stacy Steele.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah yeah, when Stacy back then was a little bit of a lunatic.
Speaker 1:I've only heard stories because I didn't know Stacy back in the wilder days. But boy, I've heard some stories about that guy back in the day.
Speaker 4:Stacy's a great guy, great musician, but yeah, he's back in the day man. Yeah, he was on the edge a little bit.
Speaker 3:John and I, you know we used to throw down pretty hard too, but not when we started this band we'd bring like a case of beer and we'd stay there till all the beer was gone.
Speaker 4:Well, a beer, and we'd stay there till till all the beer was gone. Well, you know the very in the early, early days girl that john was dating. She called us uh, drunk man's, drunk man's hand when we first started out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is 2010, 11, 12, whatever. So, yeah, it took us a little while to snap out of that, yeah nowadays we're we're much more uh responsible absolutely well.
Speaker 1:I think Stacy played in a band called Mind, body and Soul, yeah, back in the day, with Mastin Walker and Randy St John. Yeah, and there was a guy named Michael Lane Hildebrandt that was in that band too. I don't know if you guys know him, but back in the day Hilde was on my show. But back in the day Hilde had this long hair mohawk and was and was like um, just like pierced all over. And I remember Stacy saying in the interviews like even I was afraid of Hildebrand, and for Stacy still to say I was afraid of somebody, like he must have been really afraid of Hilde. So I don't know if you guys knew Michael Lane Hildebrand or not.
Speaker 3:You know his band that he put out and it got really successful in Europe and stuff. I can't think of the name the Bubblegum Orchestra, bubblegum Orchestra, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So he lived in Dallas. I went up there and did an interview with him and I had Joey C Jones co-host that with me. Missed Joey tremendously. I still have a recorded voicemail on my phone, just maybe two weeks before he passed and it was it's hard to listen to, even still, but not not to get somber. But Michael Lane Hildebrandt just moved to Spain, so he lives in Spain with his girlfriend Now.
Speaker 1:He said you know what? I'm tired of the taxes, I'm tired of this, I'm tired of that. I'm selling my place and I don't know if you guys I'll have to show you pictures, but this guy had a shrine in his house of rock and roll memorabilia, like just amazing stuff. Like the piano that Boston used to play the first record, the piano that Boston used to play the first record, stuff from Paul McCartney and Wings that he got from Steve Howard, who was the trumpet player, and guitars from Kiss. Like it's amazing. I mean, he had in Kiss guitars alone. He probably he said he had at least a quarter of a million dollars worth of of signed guitars from kiss and uh, y'all have to show you the pictures. But yeah, what, what a shrine. So he basically started auctioning all that stuff off and moved to spain and that's kind of he's doing his thing in spain now nice, that's, that's so cool yeah you know what?
Speaker 4:living in spain doesn't sound awful. Yeah, I mean, I think I might be able to convince them. Do they take a lot of siestas?
Speaker 1:there Probably. Yeah, I'm sure you could do that.
Speaker 4:Oh, it's like a national thing man, you go to lunch, then you take a nap and then you go back to work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's very European. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4:That's a big thing in Spain. I'm like I think I could live with that kind of passion.
Speaker 1:Nothing wrong with a siesta during the day. Well, trey, I wanted to dig in to you just a little bit and I promise I'll go easy on you. Like John, you're a guitar player. How long have you been working at that craft?
Speaker 4:Oh, wow, I started playing guitar when I was 15. Similar kind of stories, john's. I mowed lawns and stuff to get together enough money to buy my first guitar. Unlike John, I am the world's worst guitar player.
Speaker 1:So I Self-admitted right, oh man.
Speaker 4:Well, you know some guys, or a lot of guys, the guys that are good generally, anyway, the instrument seems to have a knack for it. You know, it comes comes easier than it does to me. Everything on everything on guitar even to this I've been playing for, you know, 40 years everything on guitar comes hard to me. Still to this day it's really difficult. So I mean, it's like getting a root canal. You know, learning, learning something new and but, however, it's something I really enjoyed doing when I was in high school and stuff, and I was in a few bands as a guitar player early on, never wanted to be a singer, never even thought about it, and um, I sang backing vocals and stuff, and um, this band we were in at the time our singer quit and we had a gig like the next day and uh, uh, the rest of the guys I was like, well, we got to cancel the gig. You know we don't have singer.
Speaker 4:The rest of the guys were like, well, man, we really need the, the money so we can pay the rent on the uh rehearsal room. And they were like you know, the songs trade, just sing them, dude, we'll just get, we'll get paid and we'll be fine, you know, like all right, fine. So we did the gig three piece and got done with the gig and the guys came up to me and they said, well, we got good news and bad news. You know it's like the bad news is we need a new guitar player.
Speaker 4:The good news is you're the singer and you know, funny enough, I've been doing it. I've been singing ever since, so I just fell into it, to be honest. But I find singing comes very easily to me, it's not hard, Whereas guitar is just torture man. So I play guitar well enough to write songs on it and, thank God, I have a guy like John to take up my slack.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the whole band said great job, terry on the vocal part.
Speaker 5:Exactly.
Speaker 1:You know what I feel your sentiment on on that. I've been playing guitar for more years than I wish to remember and I'm the cowboy chord guy like I do, well enough to go out and play shows. But I have Chris Hughes that covers me and he's a phenomenal player. Phenomenal player and just you know. So you and I are kind of poured out of the same vocalist can play enough guitar to do your thing right, and you're, and you're above average, you know, but you're not a flashy.
Speaker 4:Well, this is, this is the first uh, the first band, uh, since I've been a singer anyway, that I played guitar in at all, really like I was a lead singer, stand up straight, you know, stand up singer for a long time without any instrument and like a really really long time, and uh, been in some relatively successful bands doing that. When I started this thing, I really wanted to play guitar, you know. So I was like it was important to me that I do it, because I don't know if you're just, if you're just a singer, people look at you like you're less, like you're not capable of writing a song on it. You're not a musician, exactly. Yeah, you know, I get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like being a drummer yeah, I'm sorry, drummers van when you hear this I'm totally kidding dude, he's only kidding, yeah but uh, well, yeah, so.
Speaker 4:So it was important to me that I play guitar, you know, and I don't play it well, I don't, I'm not, I don't, but I play well enough to do what I need to do, you know, sure, and so Well, it adds a little bit more depth when you're playing live.
Speaker 1:If you can play those cowboy chords, or whatever chords, absolutely. I'm undermining you a little bit on your talent. Like I say cowboy chords, we play more than cowboy chords, but I'm just saying it adds a little bit more flavor, a little more sound to the band, Right.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I always tell him, you know, I like to have him with an acoustic guitar up there. He doesn't, you know, he only wants to play it whenever he needs to. You know, he's got his strats set up where he can get enough clean sound out of it and everything. But it kind of sets us apart. Yeah, 100%, two electric guitar players. You see a guy with an acoustic and you think of like wow, what kind of genre are?
Speaker 1:they or something.
Speaker 3:And. I think, it helps fill the kind of music that we're into right now.
Speaker 4:We kind of mix it up If a song needs another electric guitar, I'll play electric on it. And if, if and a lot of times it depends on, like, if it's a song I wrote, it's usually I wrote it on acoustic, so you know. So I usually played on acoustic live, but yep, um, and then john's stuff a lot of his stuff's more electric oriented than mine, but that's because he's, you know, a genius electric guitar player that you know plays with his hair on fire, and you know I, a genius electric guitar player that you know, plays with his hair on fire.
Speaker 4:You know, I play cowboy chords yeah.
Speaker 1:Do you feel like it takes away from your vocals, your singing, the quality of your singing when you're playing the guitar, because you're thinking more about the guitar? Are you established enough on the guitar that you don't think about it?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's kind of. The guitar is generally just autopilot. You know, the only thing that I do notice that I think detracts is I'm rooted to a mic stand. Yeah, you can't move around. I can't move around, of course, whereas you know, in the old days when I was just singing without a guitar, I ran all over the stage, all over the place, and I can't really do that as much. So you know, and then I've seen guys do it with a headset, mics and stuff and it just looks so corny. So I'm not going to do that. But not a big fan of that. But uh, you know I do.
Speaker 4:I have like been forcing myself lately to kind of throw my guitar behind my back more and grab the mic stand and run over, run around a little bit more, just sure, if I can get away with it, if it doesn necessarily have to be playing. You know I can John's doing the heavy lifting anyway. Yeah, I can run around and just be a singer for a bit, and then, you know, when a piece of the song that needs me to be playing, then I'll play. Of course I've been forcing myself to do that more lately, just because I think it's it's more entertaining visually well, you weren't originally from Houston, or not even Texas, I think Albuquerque comes to mind.
Speaker 1:Is that correct?
Speaker 4:I was born in Texas. I was born in El Paso but I grew up in Albuquerque. Yeah, I came here. I was there all the way through high school and I came here right out of high school, so in 1987, but I've been here ever since. So I like to tell people I was born in Texas. I was here just long enough to you know to claim that, to say I'm a native.
Speaker 4:But, yeah, I was born here and then they kicked me out Right Immediately, then open the doors back and let me back in somehow. But yeah, but yeah. I spent my formative years in Albuquerque, new Mexico, and I came here after high school, because I came here to go to school initially, but stayed here because the economy was so great, you know, and it's uh. One thing about living here is if, if you know, if you're not working, you probably don't want to. You know, it's always kind of been that way here in Houston specifically, and, um, that's why I've been here ever since. I mean, like most people, I'm not a big fan of the weather yeah, I don't think any of us are.
Speaker 1:But you can't. It's hard to get used to man. You know, I've been here all my life and I just the the older I get, the less tolerance I have for this heat. I I don't, I don't like you guys that have to work out in that I, I'm too soft, I I wouldn't make it in that. Like, seriously, I've been too acclimated to air conditioning all my life, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4:My wife and I have a we butt heads over this because she works in an office all day, you know, yeah. And so on the weekend in the summer she wants to go do outdoor stuff and I work. Hell no, I work. I work outdoors all day and I want to sit in the ac on the weekend I go through the same issue.
Speaker 4:Yes, same thing yeah, so you know we, uh, we went, we compromised, like this past weekend we just went up to the lake for the weekend and I spent the whole weekend sitting in the lake. You know, we water up to my chest like, okay, that's not so bad, but it's not quite ac. But okay, it'll do as close as you're gonna get it some of it all right.
Speaker 1:Tell me about the, uh, the boat building venture. Is this, is this still a thing?
Speaker 4:oh, yeah, man, yeah yeah yeah, I, uh okay, so I'm okay, I'm, I'm a, I'm a carpenter by trade and he's really good too. Yeah, well, thank you, sir, thank you, and and yeah, I'm pretty good at it. And uh, I've built a lot of stuff just for fun, just to see if I could do it. Like I built a half the furniture in our house. I made you know just because I was like, okay, I want to see if I could do it. Like I built half the furniture in our house. I made you know just because I was like, okay, I want to see if I could do it. You know, and the boat thing, it's I'm a big fan of like those old Chris craft type wood boats, but they're so expensive, man, I want one and they're, but they're like I'm like it's been 100 grand on a boat.
Speaker 4:But, um, I'm like, well, I've stopped doing some research on the internet and stuff and came across some, a place, a company that makes plans for them, and uh, I was like, man, I, I'm gonna try and do that. So I bought a set of plans and, uh, bought some lumber and you've already done all that you started it.
Speaker 4:oh yeah, my yeah, my garage is currently Boat Builder Central man.
Speaker 3:I'm as interested in this as you are. I can't wait to see it come to fruition and see what it's going to look like. Will it float? Yeah right.
Speaker 4:I was working on it before I came here today. I had sawdust all over me. I was like brushing the sawdust off before I came in, went in the garage for an hour or so, you know, putzed around with the boat and it's man. It's going to take me at least a year, maybe two, to do this, but it's just a challenge, you know. And, um, I like doing stuff like that, I like building stuff with my hands and challenging myself to do it. So that's, that's what this thing is.
Speaker 1:Have you never thought about building a guitar or an acoustic guitar? Has that ever crossed your mind? As a woodworker or a carpenter type of guy?
Speaker 4:I have done a lot of work on guitars. I've turned myself into a reasonable luthier.
Speaker 4:I've never wanted to necessarily make an acoustic guitar, because that's like a whole different level of craft. But I did my amplifiers and my cabinets. I made them myself. I bought a kit from you know online kit with all the parts and stuff, the capacitors and resistors and a diagram, and bought a soldering gun and made an amp and then I made another one and then I built the cabinets for them and I made speaker cabinets and the ones I use live I made myself.
Speaker 3:Really they're 212 cabinets and it's like a micro smaller head and the specs are over of a.
Speaker 4:Plexi, right? Yeah, it's an 18-watt Plexi is what it is, which is like you can't buy that you know, because I can crank that thing up and get the tone. The tubes are screaming, you know, and it's not blowing you out of the back of the room because it's 18 watts, it's not a hundred, you know. So I love it. It's best sounding amp I've ever owned, you know. But and that was another one of those things I just want to see if I could do it.
Speaker 1:That's interesting. Well, you talked about the Chris craft. I went to a wedding up in Burley Falls, ontario, up in Canada, and the wedding was on this little Island on a Lake and you had to take a boat out to it and the boat that the people had was a Chris craft. So we got into Chris craft, went out and I said, man, what a and I don't know much about boats, right, I mean, I'm not a boating guy, I've been in boats. But I said, man, this is a pretty sweet ride here. You know what I mean. Like it's, it's everything's just wood in the dash and everything's wooden and it's just they're really cool, man, yeah they're super cool they're.
Speaker 4:You know, they don't. It's kind of a lost art because they, those things, were built primarily in the 30s, 40s, you know, yeah, and I guess it was late 50s or so when fiberglass became a thing and started phasing them out, you know. So I mean, there's a few companies out there that make them today. Just, you know, for like really rich people to buy. You know, because these boats are like two hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, they are expensive, for sure. And uh, the boat I'm building is not of that level. Yes, I'm not. You know, I'm not. That would take me 10 years to the scale down version. It's a small, yeah, it's pretty small boat, but it's an outboard, it's on an inboard, I'm not doing an inboard. So, um, at least this one, if this comes out, cool. I'm like, who knows, I can do it again, I don't know. But but, um, yeah, you just can't. So these days those old crisscross and garwood boats are there's not, they're not that many left, you know, because they stopped making them, geez what almost 100 years ago.
Speaker 1:Wow, I had no idea.
Speaker 4:I was under the impression they still built them. As far as I know, chris Craft's still in business, but they build fiberglass boats like everybody else. Oh, okay, the old wood ones. I don't don't. To my knowledge, there's not a build them there's probably somebody out there.
Speaker 3:No, there are companies that do them but they're.
Speaker 4:But they're like you gotta be able to afford it. They're ridiculous. You gotta like special order it and it's, yeah, you know, but really, really a lot of money. So I can imagine, um, you know, that's kind of stuff, you know, if you're the kind of guy that I don't know, if you're kind of guy that, like, owns a Lamborghini and you could probably do a boat like that, but that's one of those things. It's a toy, you know, as you're not, so most people, 100%, you know. So that's a huge amount of money to throw around on a boat.
Speaker 1:Do you have a name for it already?
Speaker 4:Man, you know, I've had a couple the Terry Gaulder, the Terry Gaulder.
Speaker 1:The Terry Specialist, the SS Gaulder, the SS Terry.
Speaker 4:I've had a couple of names, but it kind of depends on how it comes out before I name it. So I'm not sure yet. Man, I don't know. I'm not going to break the mold on that secret yet, because I'm just not quite sure. There you go. I saw one that this guy that I kind of followed. He had a YouTube series of videos doing the same thing and I got a lot of inspiration from watching this guy's stuff, because this guy was like no experience whatsoever as a woodworker and he did it. It took him five years but he did it, you know. So anyway, I watched some of his videos, but he named his boat. I thought it was the greatest name ever. He named it before he even started building it. It's called Prolly Sink.
Speaker 2:Prolly Sink.
Speaker 4:P-R-O-L-L-Y Sink Probably Sink Probably Sink. Itc Probably.
Speaker 5:Sync.
Speaker 4:Because he was like I don't know what I'm doing, it's probably going to Sync, and I was like that's a pretty badass name, man.
Speaker 2:Sounds like he's missing a little confidence somewhere.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's crazy. Yeah, that is funny, john. I wanted to kind of put you in the hot seat for just a minute. You're my fellow Gibson SJ-200 brother, don't you just?
Speaker 3:love that guitar, I do. I always wanted one. Uh, you know, I I just have memories going to you know whatever guitar center and you know, and asking the guy can you pull that one down? You know, and uh, always wanted one. And uh, I started. My first one was first Gibson acoustic, was a J uh 45 and uh, and it's a vintage one. And anyway, long story short, I always wanted one, always wanted one, and I graduated to a songwriter and finally one day said, alright, I'm going to get one. It's an absolutely beautiful guitar. It really resonates, it's got a great sound to it, it's nice.
Speaker 4:If I could interject, I will just say John has the coolest guitar collection of anybody I know. I mean, his house looks like a vintage guitar store and I'm not talking like cheesy guitars, these are all killer, killer guitars and he's got his taste.
Speaker 3:Particularly in Gibsons is pretty incredible taste in uh, in particular in gibson's, is sure pretty incredible. Well, yeah, I I actually, about eight years ago I think, I started collecting, started collecting old gibson, les pauls, uh, mainly your norland era, uh, 70s and uh, then you know, I'm vested in a few older strats too, from the 70s and uh, mainly with the idea of knowing that they don't have to depreciate, that it'll be an investment and one day, you know, as they increase in value, when I do need the money I'll, I'll have them and I can sell them. In the meantime, I'm just going to enjoy them so he's got that.
Speaker 4:You know, his greatest fear is that when he dies, his wife's going to sell his guitars for what he told her he paid for them.
Speaker 5:No, I've actually educated her on.
Speaker 3:You know like. Remember this guitar I bought for $3,200?.
Speaker 1:Here it is on eBay now you know it's twice as much. Well, once you told her that these things would retain their value, it becomes hush money. Then it's going to hush her up for just a little bit, because she knows that these things are not going to go from 3000 to like $50, right Over time they're going to either keep their value or maybe even increase in value.
Speaker 3:I always tell her it's like you know, like that barn finder, that muscle car, you know you're going to find it and everybody's going to want it. They're going to want to pay a lot of money because it's not a lot, not a lot of them left anymore. So, yeah, I mean, the J200 is fantastic, yeah.
Speaker 4:I'm jealous. I want one. Really bad, my J180 is jealous of your J200.
Speaker 1:How many guitars do you think you have in the collection? I'm sure you know right.
Speaker 3:Well, I haven't counted lately, but I haven't really bought that many new ones over the last year. I bought a couple, so I would say 60-some oh wow. That is quite a few 60-some guitars. Yeah, and a lot of them are still in the cases. I mean, I have a room in my house where you know I put a lot of them up on the wall and everything but a lot of my favorite ones. They stay in the cases. You know, I'll put some of the vintage ones up there and everything.
Speaker 4:It's pretty cool at rehearsal when he shows up. He just does this random show up with a different guitar I've never seen before kind of thing all the time and I'm like that's the most badass guitar I've ever seen in my life. Where the hell is that? I've had this one a couple of years, man, I just thought I'd break the cobwebs off of it.
Speaker 1:Do you keep them in the case for humidity purposes or do you just? Is that just? You don't have enough room to put them all on the wall. I don't have enough, ok.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and then a lot of those two are the ones that I play more often, yeah, so that makes sense. I actually really got into Zematis guitars. I haven't heard of that Zematis. Ronnie Wood from the Stones made it popular, I think they I forget his first name, zamatis, but made him a guitar back, I think in the early 70s late 60s.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think it was like 71, 72.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and he made them popular and they basically have metal fronts and it's engraved and everything, and I'll show you some pictures.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, and I bought a few of them. You've been playing those pretty much every show lately.
Speaker 3:I really like the sound of those guitars and they look really cool. I bought one that they made. It's an Aces and Eights theme, so the last one I bought. I was talking to the guy. They have a plant in California and I was talking to the guy and I said, well, you know I play your guitars all the time. Would you be interested in some type of an endorsement deal? I said I'm not asking for any discounts or anything. I said just, you know I'll promote your guitars and you know you give us a shout out or whatever on your website or whatever. And he says, well, we don't really do that.
Speaker 5:You know, and I said, we didn't, unless you're Ronnie.
Speaker 3:Wood, but I wouldn't take that rejection, so I just let it go. But so he goes. I told him it was Dead Man's Hand. He goes. Well, you know, we have an Aces and Eights. He goes. You got to get one of those. I'm like God don't say that. And I already knew that, you know. So that was the latest one I just bought.
Speaker 4:Okay, it was an Aces and Eights man he's got. He's being very modest about his guitar collection, I mean he's got some really, really great Les Balls man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I got a huge acoustic guitar collection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, great acoustics too. I'll have to come check it out sometime.
Speaker 3:You should. Yeah, and now that I'm moving, we're moving from Jersey Village to Tomball. I bought a house there and I think I'm not going to sell the one I have, I think I'm just going to rent it out. I haven't moved my guitars yet. I'm still kind of setting up my music room and I think I'll count them as I'm moving them. I haven't counted them in a long time.
Speaker 1:You'll be prepared for the next podcast, right I?
Speaker 4:think he's being a little modest when he says 60, but you know, I think he might have had 60, the first year.
Speaker 1:That's what he's saying because he knows his wife is going to listen to this interview probably right. He's just covering his ass, right? That's all he's doing.
Speaker 4:You know Airline vintage guitar. I don't know if you guys ever went over there, but it was awesome. It was a killer collection. John's house looks like Airline's vintage guitar. I just don't know.
Speaker 3:Well, I think it's the same guy Airline's is now Fuller's, isn't it?
Speaker 4:Fuller's was part of Airline towards the end of it, but it's not the same. The original owner, dan Kiblinger Okay, I don't know if you knew him, but, uh, I believe he's still doing guitars, but just like, uh, like online stuff. He doesn't have store anymore. But fuller's you go there.
Speaker 3:Right, that's where I bought my j200 from. Yeah, is mark. Does that sound familiar? The owner there? I think that, um, maybe, maybe one of them, or yeah, it's been a while no um fuller's.
Speaker 4:They had some affiliation with with vintage they did back in the day, but I'm not sure what it was. But Split up or something Makes sense. His collection looks like going into that story. You go into Fuller's where they have that big rack of just freaking amazing guitars. That's a 1959. Yeah, he's got one. Well no.
Speaker 3:I do have a 59. I have a 59 melody maker but it looks like a Les Paul Jr. It's not the double cutaway. Okay, and I also have a 1952 Gibson Acoustic.
Speaker 5:Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is it an LS one?
Speaker 3:It's a 52 or 54. A parlor one. It's a parlor one.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you have to show me that that's cool.
Speaker 3:Well, it stays. It's on the wall and it's kind of over there in the corner. It's not in the best shape but it's playable and it stays in tune, you know, but it's been. It looks like somebody some guy chased his brother around and, you know, missed a couple times and hit the fence or whatever.
Speaker 4:But it is what it is. It's got mojo. It it's got mojo, it does have mojo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I've ever even counted mine. Probably somewhere around 20 ish, 21 something.
Speaker 1:But the thing is I'm not a collector. I've never bought a guitar with a collector mentality. I've always bought it because of the tone of it and everything that I buy is a working guitar. It's not when I hang on a wall and say, well, I'm buying this for 50 years from now. You know, and try to read I've never thought about the resale. I've never bought with resale in mind is my point, because as a young musician I remember hawking several pieces of gear a bass guitar, an amp and every time I did that I could kick my own ass because I needed it six months later and I I made a pact with myself that any music equipment that I ever buy I'm I'm never going to sell it, I'm going to put the thought process into it. It's like tattoos. You don't just go get a bunch of stuff, you, you get what you're going to be happy with 50 years from now you know, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 4:I have like 10, 12 guitars, but I I actually um, there's a couple of a couple of guitars that I want right now, but I'm like I have several that I never ever play.
Speaker 3:So you can't get them now. You're're building a boat. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:Maybe if you sell the boat you'll have enough money to buy the guitar you can get your.
Speaker 4:J200. Then I mean I have like three Telecasters and I'm like I don't need three Teles, man, I don't even play the ones I have. So I'm thinking about selling a couple of Teles so I can get man. Because there's this one particular guitar that I've been drooling over I saw. I saw it at nam when I was we're out in la back in january, and I was like, oh, I want that so, but it's like it's big chunk of money. So the only way I could it's it has not really not so much me, it's my wife, you know. So she's like, um, you can buy that if you sell something else. So, oh my gosh, I've never.
Speaker 1:I've never heard that before. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like I, I, I go buy a t-shirt. Did you get one? Did you get rid of one out of your closet? No, well, it's like uh, you don't have any more closet space, dude.
Speaker 2:You're going to have to get rid of one to buy one.
Speaker 1:Okay, and you know, like you like the orange guitar hanging on the wall is a Telecaster and I don't. I don't think I've played that guitar for two hours and I've had it for three, four years now. I just don't play the electric guitar anymore, you know, for whatever, reason I play my electrics all the time.
Speaker 4:I just don't. I don't, for whatever reason. I don't play my telly as much I play, I play. I got. I got a couple tellies, couples or three tellies, a couple strats. Play my strats way more and I played my last Paul's. I had a couple of less Paul's but I like I play them the most, I think, cause I like them. But but I'm like, yeah, I could thin the herd, get rid of some stuff that I don't necessarily. You'd just been like looking at a guitar going man, I haven't picked Well.
Speaker 4:But rather than just buying another guitar and having another one sell it and you know, as long as it's getting what it's worth out of it then it might be worthwhile to just take that money and invest it in what you want Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Well, we talked about earlier your Love and War project. Is Love and War still a thing for you, or is that not a thing anymore?
Speaker 3:It's not a thing right now. Okay, we've kind of taken a backseat, I have taken a backseat on it and don't really have a lot of.
Speaker 1:This is your main, the dead man's thing, this is the main thing. Yeah, gotcha, okay.
Speaker 3:Not to say that something won't ever happen again with it. It's just, you know, right now, for several reasons, it's just kind of taken a backseat.
Speaker 1:Now you have your own business locally. I do here as well. You want to.
Speaker 3:You want to plug that while we're oh sure, yeah uh, basically, uh, it's something I've been doing about 30, see 33 years now, uh, which is, uh, building parks. Uh, we do a basically commercial playgrounds and shelters and other things. So I started my business about 14 years ago and I've been doing it ever since. Uh, you know, and uh, it's, the good thing about what I do is people are always spending money on their kids, yeah for sure. So when I've seen other people's work slow down or whatever, one thing that slows us down is the weather, yeah, so I mean, everybody's always investing in their kids and, you know, buying the new structures and everything for the schools, and you know they always get federal funded money and so you know it's been a really, you know, successful, you know business in that area, so it's's it's so it's it's. It's been cool, it's been cool. It keeps us really busy.
Speaker 1:So you use the term park and I want to make sure that I understand what you do. Is this, is this the playground? Uh, the big commercial playgrounds Like I play a Creekwood grill on Telgi and they just spent like 14, 15 grand on this big outdoor playground. Is this what you do or am I always okay, yeah, okay yeah, we are.
Speaker 3:We're actually working uh for uh doing some of these huge playgrounds. I'll show you. I mean, these things are like something to pay admission to, like a theme park, and it's a humble isd. And they've got, they've got got a multi-million dollar, multi-grant federal grant to do all these playgrounds, and each playground that we do is about a million dollars. Holy shit, wow, yeah, these things are all themed like. We did one that's a NASA theme and they built this huge climbing structure that looks like the shuttle, and then the rest of the playground has all of these you know different themes that are, you know nasa, you know galaxy, you know planet oriented and, uh, we've done four of them so far. Uh, where we're currently working on now with a south american theme, and there's another one coming up. It's a farm theme.
Speaker 3:We did one of those dinosaurs, I remember yeah, we did one that had this, this dinosaur, fit on the back of a flatbed 18-wheeler and they shipped it from Delano, minnesota. So the guy says man, I've been driving since Minnesota with this big dinosaur on the back. People are slowing down, taking pictures, you know, and this thing came out and we had to run a crane to get it off, wow, and pour a big concrete base pad and set this thing down on it. And it's pretty incredible. What's the name of the business? After my name is Adams Constructors.
Speaker 1:Okay, and Trey, you said you're self-employed as well. Right, I am a general contractor.
Speaker 4:yeah, Do you want to plug the name of the business? It's Gadler Construction Inc. I was very, you know, I thought really hard about the name. Sure, it's a gadler construction ink.
Speaker 3:That was very uh, you know, I thought really hard about the name it used to be. It used to be triad construction.
Speaker 4:It used to be triad but there's like when I incorporated a few years ago and when I incorporated chase name because there was like 10 other triads so I just went with my own name. But I do primarily I do a lot of work for property management companies. I I do renovations and repairs primarily on condominiums and townhomes. We do, but we also do a lot of residential stuff. We do roofing, siding, painting, concrete, literally pretty much everything. If it has anything to do with an exterior of a home, I do it. Okay, pretty much so.
Speaker 1:That's good to know. Well, you know, when I framed out my studio in there with all the the cedar and everything, a buddy of mine that I went to high school with, um, he's a GC as well and that's who I had do it. So good to know that. You know you're. You're a close guy, you know here in town. So, yeah, you need something other. Yeah, I sure will. I wanted to chat real quick with you guys about shows. I know you guys recently had one lined up with dangerous toys, right, and I think that one canceled. You had to cancel because of illness or something.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Was it Van Van? Yeah, Van got really sick the flu or something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean he had like a 103 fever or something.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and we didn't do that one.
Speaker 3:We just did a show what two weekends ago at BFE and we filmed that night for our latest video. It's going to be called City Slicker and we filmed a lot of live footage for that the only thing that we have. We have a potential gig maybe coming up at the end of January. It's for a veterans kind of rally, if you will.
Speaker 3:It's a motorcycle rally, but it's a veterans charity thing, yeah, a veterans charity thing, yeah, and that's potentially that's through our buddy, outlaw Dave, who we've known forever and he's trying to set that up for us. We're waiting on that and we are setting up. We're going to go back to L on, uh, labor day, labor day weekend, and uh, we have an agent out there that we work with before that's setting that up, uh. And then, you know, we usually things pop up. You know, hey, y'all want to play, y'all want to play, and we don't really actually we haven't really done that yet because we're so focused on doing the videos and finishing the recording we have down and say let's, let's plan something, let's do some dance.
Speaker 4:We haven't gotten really put a whole lot of time and energy and effort into, like you know, going out and playing live performance. It's just been lately because it's just we'll play when something drops in our laps, which happens a lot. But you know, the last year or so we've been totally focused on getting this record done. So you know that's, and now we're record's basically done but we're making videos. So we've been fully focused on that. And then, you know, ironically, just about done with this one. And now all of a sudden we're sitting there talking about having conversations about the next one, because John and I have that one pretty much written too. So I think we've got record number two coming pretty soon after this one.
Speaker 1:So so you guys come in the can, though we do. A bunch songs were written. Yeah, we have.
Speaker 4:We haven't worked them up. We've worked up two or three of them with the band, but the rest of them are just stuff.
Speaker 3:Me and him have worked on together, but yeah, um you know we have three right now in our repertoire that uh are brand new. That would we'll go on our next record yeah, that we're doing with the band. Yeah, there's probably another 10, 10 that me and him know that we have to collaborate on and show the band and then we'll work them out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so we've got. You know, I think we've got the next few years pretty much.
Speaker 3:And the ideas are still coming, I mean so there'll be a lot to choose from Once we get this record done.
Speaker 4:I think what I would like to do is focus more on doing more festivals and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we need to get out and support it, because we'll have it out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because we've done a ton of stuff locally over the years and regionally, but we haven't really gotten out of our area much. Yeah, we went to Los Angeles back in January, but that's about the only time we've gotten out of Texas, I think, with this band. So once we get done with this record, we need to really focus on that. We need to get out and do something.
Speaker 1:I would look forward to that. I mean, I haven't seen you guys play, of course, dead Man's Hand. I saw you play Love and War Show with Zebra and I think I saw you. I think the first time I saw you, john, was you played the Todd Bishop deal at Concert Pub, didn't you? I did? Didn't you jump on stage and play?
Speaker 3:I did, I played, I Don't Know, and.
Speaker 1:Flying High. I think that's the first time I saw you play. Oh yeah, so, yeah. So we talked a little bit. I caught COVID that night, did you? Well, I can't imagine why, jesus Christ, there was no air conditioning in the place and there was 7,000 people. You know? Elbows to assholes.
Speaker 3:I know. And then like three, four days later, I got sick. Three days later I got sick. Three days later I got sick.
Speaker 1:No, way, yeah, but you know, I was miserable in that place, man. I mean, it was like you're standing like this, yeah, and it's 900 degrees.
Speaker 3:The guy never ran the AC in that place.
Speaker 4:I stayed outside on the deck for that show. I remember you playing, but I was like I'm not going in there, man, this is, like you know, right when COVID's still kind of jumping around pretty bad. And I was like so I didn't. I heard you playing, I saw you on the little TV they had on the patio, man, but I wasn't going in there.
Speaker 1:You know, the interesting story about that place is the show that I went to before Todd Bishop's deal was a Zebra show, and the air was out then too. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Wow, I deal was a zebra show and the air was out then too. Oh yeah, wow, I think the air worked. He just, he just didn't turn it on I guess that's his prerogative right?
Speaker 1:I don't think he wanted to spend the money I think that's every club owner man.
Speaker 4:Wow, and how many rock and roll clubs have you ever been in where the ac was like functioning correctly?
Speaker 1:yeah, no, you know, I mean that's like going to a real fighting gym and it be an air condition. There's something to be said about going in and sweating and not having the amenities of the lazy bastard. Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:I don't know, man, I got to tell you I'm getting kind of old. I kind of like my AC.
Speaker 1:You might like your AC. I love my AC. I'm not going to lie to you about that. We talked briefly earlier. You guys touched on it about the website. I wanted to talk about social media so the listeners of Backstage Pass Radio would know where to find you guys. I know DMHTXcom is the main place but I didn't know if there was another, if you had handles that you wanted to plug for yourselves and the band on the other platforms.
Speaker 3:Well, the other one like, of course, is Facebook. You'll find Dead Man's Hand on Facebook. There may be another one on there, but you'll see that we're from Houston, Texas, of course, and we also have an Instagram page. Same thing, Dead Man's Hand Pretty easy to find the problem.
Speaker 4:unfortunately, there are some other bands with the same name of course so it gets. So we. Usually it's either TX or HTX, depending on the, but I think the best thing is that people go to our website because links for all of our socials are there.
Speaker 1:It's probably the easiest way to do it, so just go. That's how I explain mine too.
Speaker 3:We have a Reverb Nation page as well, and we have what was the other one? No, I set us up for X, of course, but Twitter, I still call it Twitter. Yeah, me too, but that's my personal why I promote Dead Man's Hand. I don't have a Dead Man's.
Speaker 4:Hand X. Yeah, I don't think we do, you're right, we don't. No, we've. I don't have a dead man's hand X. I don't think we do You're right. We don't know.
Speaker 3:We have a we got a tick tock. We've got Facebook, we got I tweet on there.
Speaker 4:I do too personally, but I don't know.
Speaker 5:You X on there.
Speaker 3:What do you?
Speaker 1:even call it now. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4:I go, the only. Thing.
Speaker 1:I Like you guys. I have the X and the TikTok and all that and I find myself I just gravitate to Facebook and Instagram.
Speaker 2:I do too.
Speaker 1:That's pretty much it. For whatever reason, I think you could probably get more mileage from your post on X because Elon says eh, if I could just post whatever you want, Like there's less scrutiny around that.
Speaker 4:I think it's generational man like I think, I think you're right you know, I mean people our age are more facebook yeah than primarily yeah, and when I think of tiktok and doing tiktok videos, I think of a 14 year old school girl for whatever reason, I just well it's I mean too yeah, then the demographics have a lot to do with age, like, yeah, you know my, my son's generation, they're all Instagram and Snapchat and all that junk, yeah, and like he never goes on Facebook, you know, but so it's all you know. And I guess for us primarily, our fan base is most of the people are in the same kind of age demographic that we are, so you know.
Speaker 1:Well, I never wanted to be the guy where they said they said really man you're like 107 years old and you're on tiktok like I never.
Speaker 1:I never wanted to be that dude, right, you know, I got. I still got pride at 58 years old, right? I just don't want to be that dude. So so we've covered a lot. What did I miss here? Boys is there? Is there anything else that maybe I didn't tee up for you? We talked about that, you, I got a global platform here that goes out to 84 countries now, so I would just tell folks to keep their eyes open.
Speaker 3:We've got another single coming out soon and within the next month, or probably a few weeks, probably, yeah check out our links to our two new videos that are come, that are out right now, and if you would subscribe to our channel, that way you can get updates and everything, if you go to YouTube a lot and, of course, go to the website to see updates on what's happening with us.
Speaker 4:And you can find both the videos for the first two singles, devil's Due and Bible had Jesus, are out on YouTube now and I believe, is it Dead Man's Hand? Htx, it would be HTX, yeah.
Speaker 3:Make sure that's good for Houston Texas.
Speaker 4:Houston, Texas. So Dead Man's Hand HTX on YouTube.
Speaker 3:That's our channel.
Speaker 4:And there's two really great videos out now and we've got a third one coming soon. We shot most of the footage last weekend. We shot that one live and I think it's pretty much done. Uh, we might have to do like one more little thing, but so that'll be coming out really soon with that, with that single as well, and then, you know, just keep an eye out throughout the summer, Cause we've got more stuff coming and that the whole record's dropping down the pipe uh, probably. So we ask people to keep their eyes open and thank you for taking the support.
Speaker 3:After this new one that we're halfway done with, I think we're going to probably do maybe two more videos and then probably focus on releasing the record from there. So I think two more will be coming by midsummer probably, or rather by early fall now it's already June.
Speaker 4:It's already June, buddy. Yeah, I know, boy, time's flying.
Speaker 3:We were telling people the record's gonna drop this summer. I'm like, um, we're running out of summer, yeah right, yeah, it goes quick. So we'll be lucky to get one more done by fall, and then you know, we can release the record and put another video out. But I know we talked about maybe doing two more videos, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, you guys are busy and it sounds like you got a lot of good things going on. I look forward to maybe catching a live show. Hopefully I'm not booked the night you do play, but that's always a challenge in and of itself. We'll definitely keep you in the loop.
Speaker 4:I don't think we have anything on the calendar, but there will be. I'll keep an eye out for you.
Speaker 3:There always are. We'll keep you in the loop. We'll send you a message.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, John Trey, it's been a great time. Man, Thanks so much for gracing me with both of your presence.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 1:I appreciate the stories and I ask the listeners worldwide to dig into this band. There's some good stuff and I always say that it has to appeal to me. For me to even bring somebody on my show right, it has to resonate with me first. So I think you guys got something good going on. So again, I ask the listeners to keep an eye out for you guys. I wish you guys good health and lots of success with the band in the near future. I ask the listeners to like, share and subscribe to the podcast on Facebook at Backstage Pass Radio Podcast, on Instagram at Backstage Pass Radio and on the website at BackstagePassRadiocom. You guys remember to take care of yourselves and each other and we'll catch you right back here on the next episode of Backstage Pass Radio.
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