This thought-provoking podcast brought together Dr. Jian Jones, Dr. Josie Jarvis and special guest Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh to discuss the power of hip hop culture in advancing occupational therapy. They explored how hip hop represents activism, creativity and driving positive change through storytelling and community.
Dr. Arameh shared her vision of bringing more diverse voices into leadership conversations at AOTA to address gaps and decrease barriers. Her approach aligns with hip hop's focus on opportunity, access and mobilizing through activism. She aims to reconnect members to AOTA's core values through authentic, community-focused leadership.
Check out our Hip Hop Pedagogy and AOTA Election Resource Compilation Here! Now also includes the Disorienting Dilemma Toolkit For Culturally Mindful Dysregulation Support with New Learning! Free!
Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP, is the host of Two Fifteens: The Podcast Where Hip-Hop, Occupation, and Identity Collide where she and guests make connections related to Hip-Hop culture, the science of doing, and the shaping of the identity of people. She is an Occupational Therapist, life coach, 500-HR yoga teacher, professor, and scholar who offers culturally relevant mental, emotional, social, spiritual and physical well-being techniques that assist you in uncovering your potential to live your best life. Jian blended her passion for wellness, nature, purpose and Hip-Hop into a personal development company, Jian Jones, LLC with a mission to transform lives one mind, body, and soul at a time. Jian encourages you to Press+FLY™: 'press through your obstacles so that you can fly toward your destiny'. Jian uses her personal evolution to serve others and looks forward to their individual growth and success as they cross the bridges of life.
Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS is a part-time Occupational Therapist and full-time Open Science activist with a focus on translating Critical Occupational Science Literacy to the field through mechanisms of informal publishing and holistic and transparent implementation science that is inclusive to social, physical, and indigenous sciences in the field as well as in the academy. She is the host of the Evolved Living Podcast a podcast dedicated to coming together and sharing multidisciplinary and multicultural wisdom from diverse perspectives to support adapting to change holistically and ecologically together with honesty about the messy and imperfect process of ongoing growth, change, and adaptation to the contemporary world.
Dr. Arameh Anvarizahdeh, OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA has already made history as the youngest and first African American/Iranian woman to become Vice President of the American Occupational Therapy Association (AOTA). She is also the youngest woman of color inducted into the prestigious Roster of Fellows (FAOTA). Founding Member
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Free Occupational Science 101 Guidebook
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This thought-provoking podcast brought together Dr. Jian Jones, Dr. Josie Jarvis and special guest Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh to discuss the power of hip hop culture in advancing occupational therapy. They explored how hip hop represents activism, creativity and driving positive change through storytelling and community.
Dr. Arameh shared her vision of bringing more diverse voices into leadership conversations at AOTA to address gaps and decrease barriers. Her approach aligns with hip hop's focus on opportunity, access and mobilizing through activism. She aims to reconnect members to AOTA's core values through authentic, community-focused leadership.
Check out our Hip Hop Pedagogy and AOTA Election Resource Compilation Here! Now also includes the Disorienting Dilemma Toolkit For Culturally Mindful Dysregulation Support with New Learning! Free!
Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP, is the host of Two Fifteens: The Podcast Where Hip-Hop, Occupation, and Identity Collide where she and guests make connections related to Hip-Hop culture, the science of doing, and the shaping of the identity of people. She is an Occupational Therapist, life coach, 500-HR yoga teacher, professor, and scholar who offers culturally relevant mental, emotional, social, spiritual and physical well-being techniques that assist you in uncovering your potential to live your best life. Jian blended her passion for wellness, nature, purpose and Hip-Hop into a personal development company, Jian Jones, LLC with a mission to transform lives one mind, body, and soul at a time. Jian encourages you to Press+FLY™: 'press through your obstacles so that you can fly toward your destiny'. Jian uses her personal evolution to serve others and looks forward to their individual growth and success as they cross the bridges of life.
Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS is a part-time Occupational Therapist and full-time Open Science activist with a focus on translating Critical Occupational Science Literacy to the field through mechanisms of informal publishing and holistic and transparent implementation science that is inclusive to social, physical, and indigenous sciences in the field as well as in the academy. She is the host of the Evolved Living Podcast a podcast dedicated to coming together and sharing multidisciplinary and multicultural wisdom from diverse perspectives to support adapting to change holistically and ecologically together with honesty about the messy and imperfect process of ongoing growth, change, and adaptation to the contemporary world.
Dr. Arameh Anvarizahdeh, OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA has already made history as the youngest and first African American/Iranian woman to become Vice President of the American Occupational Therapy Association (AOTA). She is also the youngest woman of color inducted into the prestigious Roster of Fellows (FAOTA). Founding Member
Evolved Living Network Instragram @EvolvedLivingNetwork
Free Occupational Science 101 Guidebook
https://swiy.co/OS101GuidePodcast
OS Empowered OT Facebook Group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1569824073462362/
Link to Full Podcast Disclaimer
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13DI0RVawzWrsY-Gmj7qOLk5A6tH-V9150xETzAdd6MQ/edit
Elevating Occupational Therapy Leadership and Education Through the Transformative Lifestyle of Hip Hop Culture, Informal Publishing, and Collective Activism for Systemic Change Together
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[00:00:00] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: We realized that we both have JJ names. We've I
[00:00:03] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: noticed that
[00:00:04] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: the first time, and I wanted to say something, but I was like, I don't want her to think, but I paid attention to
[00:00:10] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: that. Yeah. I was like, um, and I listened to the most recent episode of your podcast and it got me so excited. There's I think there might, we might have some overlap in interest in just some of the, for like talking about generational progressions of things.
[00:00:29] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: It's just interesting where you that dynamic, it repeats on so many different contexts and layers. And it's interesting how it comes up in different trajectory. I feel like we're all more connected than we realize.
[00:00:43] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: That is very true. Then we realize it's the most important, um, um, I would say, term, your statement.
[00:00:50] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: We often focus on the differences I feel, but we are truly connected through various, I would say, portals, hundreds, [00:01:00] just so many different ways we're connected as a people. That makes us 1. Alright. What's up everybody? It is Jian and Josie.
[00:01:10] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: We are coming together for this collaborative conversation for so many dope reasons. Um, Josie, you wanna jump into those reasons that we're coming
[00:01:19] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: together? Oh, well, yeah. I'm so excited.
[00:01:22] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And let me know how to pronounce your first name because I'm not sure if I'm getting it right.
[00:01:26] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: We were just talking about the importance and the respect of name, expression, and that I think is sometimes a learning curve. We get kind of nervous about that can be like, oh, I'm not sure if I thinking this out for a different culture. And so I wanna I like to role model as also a neurodivergent OT academic of saying like, sometimes when we're nervous, we still it's helpful to take action and just ask those clarifying questions as long as it's from a space of cultural humility and respect. I found a lot of gracious welcoming with some of my ignorance. Can you remind me how to say your first name [00:02:00] again?
[00:02:00] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: I appreciate that because I I feel like a lot of the listeners will be interested in that as well. So it's Jian like
[00:02:06] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Dion. Sorry. Okay. I've been saying it wrong in my head.
[00:02:11] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: It's Dion. Dion. Oh, god. Uh, we were just talking about I love the alliteration of, um, um, Josie Jarvis. It's I I have a long term partner right now and, uh, it's hard because I just really wanna keep my name, the Josie Jarvis, the JJ holding that up.
[00:02:27] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: So I think to you, it's like a sign.
[00:02:29] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: But I got to meet you in person at this year's occupational sigh, uh, Society for Study of Occupation USA conference in St. Louis, Missouri, um, which is very close to Kansas, which is where I grew up. So I got in some ways closer to my roots being there. And man, St.
[00:02:48] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Louis had such rich history to it that we might get to explore at some point. I have a feeling this isn't gonna be our first podcast interview together. Yeah. But getting to meet you in person and to see you perform, I [00:03:00] had stumbled across to you, um, I think somehow you came up on my Facebook feed. And, um, I've been kind of doing a year, at least a year since I completed my clinical doctorate in OT of what I kind I call citizen occupational science.
[00:03:14] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Um, I like to test hypotheses live in this field. Um, and, uh, I've been wanting to explore the value of informal publishing. Uh, it tends to be just like in our rehab settings where we put productivity on a pedestal. In academic academia, we put formal publishing on a pedestal. And sometimes when we create those hierarchies of things, we tend to undervalue things that are valued on that hierarchy formally.
[00:03:39] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And yet in my own lived experience, part of being a millennial, I was born in 19 89. My life has largely been predominantly influenced, not by formal publishing, but informal publishing. And if I'm honest, it's symbiosis of both because I have had great privilege to access formal academic and often experimental spaces. But when [00:04:00] I found out that your work was actively translating occupational science literacy and analyzing hip hop culture through a lens of occupational science, I instantly felt like, man, um, I'm working on this textbook chapter with OT Without Borders. That voice would be such a powerful contribution to that effort.
[00:04:20] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And so I wanted to have a podcast interview with you. And sometimes when you put those seeds of potential out there and taking that risk, so I'm hopefully modeling for other neurodivergent OTs out there, taking that leap, making a new friend, putting something out there, It just happened to coalesce with this important election that we have with AOTA going on right now. I'm personally a big supporter for doctor a, doctor Arame. She may jump in on the podcast a little bit later here. And so we thought we would take advantage of our connection and sharing a bit about the power of trampoline knowledge through hip hop on this podcast while also helping to actively get out the word for the [00:05:00] importance of civic engagement in our own profession and advancing your voice.
[00:05:04] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And we're using informal publishing to do that. And so we hope you can connect and see the power in our own voices, even if they're not always formally ordained or authorized, we can still build community around the arts that are a little bit more from the
[00:05:17] people.
[00:05:18] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: That was wonderful, Josie. Um, I couldn't cover what you stated in terms of this collaborative conversation, which I'm so excited about because informal publishing has definitely influenced me more than formal publishing. Um, I would say scholarly writing, traditional scholarly writing is not what I directly go towards in order to acquire knowledge or for knowledge acquisition.
[00:05:39] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: I go to media across the spectrum of media to to learn. And it's typically informal methods of communication. So I do a lot of perusing communication, letters and theories, and also implement some of that within occupational science and there and therapy as a clinician and as academics. I definitely concur with [00:06:00] that consuming more informal publishing than formal publishing even as we are scholars. I also am here to support doctor a and, um, making sure that we are encouraging individuals and some, um, potential statements to include in that communication regarding your concern or issues with signing for a AOTA after the deadline and not being able to vote.
[00:06:22] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: So we feel like that's very important as well as we continue this awesome and great conversation. So
[00:06:30] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: yeah.
[00:06:30] Can
[00:06:31] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I add something? So I just listened to your podcast to get more familiarity with your work and remind me the guest that you had on most recently. Oh,
[00:06:41] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: my most recent guest is a professor teacher now, and scholar, Maurice Johnson.
[00:06:47] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: He utilizes, um, hip hop pedagogy within k through 12 as well as within higher education. But he utilizes specifically a cultural aspect and how it relates to right now, culturally [00:07:00] sustaining leadership. So he's looking at the leadership component. So that would be our assistant principals, deans, and presidents at universities and how they allow that critical ped pedagogy, uh, hip hop pedagogy or reality pedagogy to be utilized within the academic space. And so Maurice Johnson is today.
[00:07:18] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Oh, wonderful. I thought that I it was such a rich discussion and I thought there was a metaphor for me in 1 of the themes that I merged, um, while I was listening to was this idea that I heard this from you in it that sometimes there's this notion that hip hop is maybe just the mainstream music of it. Whereas where I heard both of you advancing was consideration of hip hop as, um, a light, like an all encompassing life style. Absolutely. Moment of flow and things.
[00:07:51] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And I thought I would, in looking at that theme that was coming through, that relates to how I've come to relate to, um, [00:08:00] activism, civic literacy, policy literacy, and building off those scenes that you're mentioning with leadership.
[00:08:05] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: That's why we're here is we're cultivating accessible systemic systemic transformation through coalition building, through community inclusion, which often, you know, you need to share information to do that. If we don't have an accurate, um, expression and communication, it's hard to build a sense of unity in a community. And right now, I'm aware that there is this court, I believe, around and often challenges relating to occupational therapy. Uh, no.
[00:08:32] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: The American Occupational Therapy Associations leadership structure. Um, we're asking a lot of critical questions, I believe, especially since 20 20, the impacts of the COVID 19 pandemic. Um, I've personally been noticing that it feels to me, oh, this was another theme that I love for your guest on your podcast Uh, he mentioned, and I guess I have some bias, but I agree that sometimes when you look to folks with backing in history, they have a very interesting [00:09:00] perspective on current events. I really feel that because I assume that we're going through the gilded age again, I think. We're having another extreme inequality.
[00:09:10] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: We have alienated labor that's coming through, people that are working so hard giving their best to kind of their work environments and that strains what you have to take home. Some of the conversation that might come up with doctor a is those challenges of balancing the role of motherhood with leadership and how it really takes community to go through that. And I guess what I'm saying from this is that I think that activism and social change, it's also not just a song you put on once a year. It's not just this 1 time that we're gonna show up and vote or put a tweet out or have something out. If we really are true, truly rooted in community transformation, solidarity with the disability rights movement, with the racial justice movement, I feel that activism also it's well honed if we can get [00:10:00] to a place of making it more of a lifestyle change.
[00:10:03] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And I just said I would put that forward and see what it sorry. We might go away from the structure because I might long weather your brain has a hard time, but I just like with hip hop, I think sometimes we can weave in powerful themes and find resonance in spaces. Absolutely.
[00:10:20] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Because hip hop is about telling stories and, um, about sharing your working theories before they are solidified and before they are validated because life is validation in itself. Christopher Indiff is the author of Ratche Dimock.
[00:10:34] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: He's also the creator of Hip Hop Ed, which is a space for educators to feel safe in utilizing aspects of hip hop culture, hip hop pedagogy, reality pedagogy, cult culturally sustaining, and all of those theories that stem from using hip hop in reality in education. But he that is something that he's mentioned. He's mentioned that, you know, there's a rigor in life in [00:11:00] general. And so when we make or when we cause individuals to conform to traditional ways, then we're taken away from aspects of their lives, which I thought would just be affecting our performance and participation in occupation, therefore affecting our performance. And so with hip hop, I feel like hip hop facilitates greater well-being in many areas, specifically as it relates to social justice, which can then be tied into the components of occupational justice, so occupational injustices.
[00:11:31] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: And
[00:11:31] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: so And I think it existed before we had those terms where I would say I think it's a symbiotic fit. Sometimes I that's 1 of the things the theme of my podcast, and I'm sorry that I interjected there, is that, uh, we we often before we have formal publishing, double thumbs up, and approval, those phenomena tend to exist in a culture, in a context. And I think that's such an important perspective shift [00:12:00] never like feeling like they're experimented on or but it's really humanizing to be a part of it. Um, and I think we should, um, introduce to, uh, we do have the great honor of, um, having Doctor.
[00:12:17] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Arameh here.
[00:12:18] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: If you would like to unmute, you're welcome. Uh, we won't be releasing a video of this, but
[00:12:22] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: if you want to
[00:12:23] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: come off this, let's see so we can Hey. Hey. Hey. Hi, doctor Joan.
[00:12:27] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Hi, Chelsea.
[00:12:28] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Oh. You're not the representative. What's
[00:12:30] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: up? Hi, y'all.
[00:12:31] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: How y'all doing? Good. How are you? I'm maintaining y'all. I got I just dropped 1 baby off.
[00:12:37] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: I got 1 right here. We're just doing it. Nope. That's a part of life. I didn't wanna interrupt any flow.
[00:12:44] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: I just wanted to say hi, and I'm honored to be able to share space with the both of you. Doctor Jones, I've loved I'm I am hip hop. I am the generate I love that's me. That's my identity. That's what I
[00:12:55] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: that's how I roll.
[00:12:56] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: That's I can't leave any I can't leave myself away take myself [00:13:00] away from hip hop. So I actually am excited to hear this podcast. And, Chelsea, thank you for being such an advocate and really trying to making it happen. All those people that disconnect the
[00:13:09] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: dots and make it happen is so necessary in our world. So
[00:13:12] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: I'm just here and I just wanna I don't wanna interrupt the
[00:13:15] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: flow.
[00:13:15] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: So we're just getting started. Okay. And I was role modeling as a neurodivergent OT that processes things a little bit differently. I have a hard time with phonetics and names, and we also feel like so I wanted to role model some cultural humility and just make sure because I've struggled with your name many times, but have really aspired to be respectful.
[00:13:37] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Many of my
[00:13:38] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: wonderful could you share with us?
[00:13:40] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: You think of it like I'm very sorry, but it's really phonetical. It's like, Yeah. The Ramay. Yeah. It's very Persian.
[00:13:52] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: We were just talking about hip hop as not just maybe, like, music that has got gotten mainstream [00:14:00] recognition at certain times, but understanding and conceiving it is more of a a lifestyle and a culture and a continuum based on I was reflecting off of the most recent episode from doctor Jian. Um, and so you're coming in at a great and I was show building off of that. And for me, activism and advocacy, I've had more of a background. It's been really policy literacy and advocacy solidarity with communities. And I was wanting to highlight that for me, activism is also something that is more than just voting 1 time a year or following and sharing tweets.
[00:14:36] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: It's also in order for it to be effective for long term systemic transition, we also need to maybe consider it as a lifestyle and something to build in and embed with our roles, rituals, routines, and building those coalition solidarity. Um, and we shared with the audience how much we connected in that value of informal publishing and making information accessible, giving grace for the learning [00:15:00] curve of activism that comes in. Um, and so I was and then she was bringing in some looking at hip hop ped pedagogy of, like, how do we bring these really powerful cultural elements into OT education, into our classrooms, into our actors? Standards should be required.
[00:15:15] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Doctor Jones' curriculum class should be a required standard across all OT and OTA programs.
[00:15:21] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: I'm here
[00:15:22] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: for that. I'm I am so here for that. Yeah. Just yeah. To add to what Josie was saying, customary with with using the critical lens in incorporating aspects of hip hop culture as it relates to advocating social justice, occupational injustice.
[00:15:39] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Um, hip hop culture is about beliefs. It's about customs. It's about principles that are rooted in in people who were about to fight and the fight to be seen, the fight to be heard, the fight for change to be made because we're not being treated right.
[00:15:52] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: And with that, what do you, um, tell us a little bit about your campaign and [00:16:00] what your mission and vision would be as president of AOPA.
[00:16:04] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: AOP.
[00:16:04] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Yeah. Thank you all for having me. And what a segue, pop. To me, I embody it because hip hop is bravery, hip hop is courage. Hip hop is, um, paving the way.
[00:16:15] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Hip hop is opening up doors. Hip hop is inspiring. Hip hop is creativity. Hip hop, uh, leads the culture, leads everyone into mainstream. Hip hop sets the tone, sets the trends.
[00:16:28] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: And when I think about my campaign and the mission and the vision, it aligns with the underlying, like you said, principles of what hip hop is and what I embody, not just resiliency because, like, hip hop, we can't choose. Excuse me. I'm cool. I'm doing co occupations right now. And we
[00:16:47] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: support it.
[00:16:48] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: We support
[00:16:49] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: it. Yeah. So hip hop is I can't afford to be resilient. I have to be. Well, hip hop's on a choice of resiliency or not.
[00:16:57] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: As I getting to the home stretch of this [00:17:00] campaign, it's not just about courage and confidence and bravery. Because my 2 year old is confident and brave. I see this all the time. He jumps and does cart flips off the couch and he's brave and confident. It's about this stamina.
[00:17:13] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: And I think hip hop is and what I embody and how I relate it to my my campaign and what I'm about is this is the stamina pivot, right? When there's challenges or when there are circumstances that are difficult, it's like, how do you have the stamina and the tool to navigate through all that? It's not easy when you're breaking barriers. It's not easy when there are constant barriers, but what hip hop has taught me is that it's the stamina in getting through them and how we get through them in creative ways through activism, through organizing, through mobilizing that that you can create change. Right?
[00:17:51] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: And so that's what hip hop is, the change that you wanna see. That's what I am. So even as I when I was graduating OT school, what, 17, [00:18:00] 18 years ago, I didn't say, you know what, Rami, you're gonna be the next o next president. I just said yes to opportunity. Hip hop is opportunity.
[00:18:06] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: So I say yes to opportunity. I say until now I'm like, also, besides saying yes to opportunity, I am a person who says, where is the gap?
[00:18:16] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: How CoTech got started. There was a gap in our Centennial vision that
[00:18:20] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: needed to be addressed. And now we are the premier organization addressing that.
[00:18:24] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: So where are
[00:18:24] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: the gaps? There are gaps in our profession still that
[00:18:27] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: I love so much, and there are gaps in our association that I feel like we should fall back in love with and be proud members of AOTF. So I as what I've always done is want to find out where are the gaps, where are the disparities, and bridge them and increase access and decrease barriers. And that's hip hop. It's increasing access and decreasing barriers, and it's our people.
[00:18:46] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: It's uplifting all voices and communities to the table. It's creating community. So that is really the crux of my campaign is, okay, besides just this whole idea of sense of belonging, it's let's having actually the voices so that we can lean [00:19:00] in so that we're not working in silo. We just had last week, I was at AOT at DC all week. We had a strategic planning meeting.
[00:19:06] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Right? We invited people to the table, but wouldn't it be incredible doctor Jones, Josie, that we invite your voices to the table that aren't always at the table. Yeah. It's great to have ASAP, Aiko, AOTF, the regulars at at the table, but wouldn't it be incredible to have these voices? And so that's what I'm about is really thinking about being a connector and having unique and diverse voices so that we can expand our profession so that we can be in the forefront of our, of our positioning in healthcare so we can continue to provide health equity.
[00:19:37] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Right. That's her pop. It's creatively create making the change. So when you asked me about what my what my vision and my mission is, obviously, I want us to be able to screen OT, our profession to the rooftop, like any candidate. Right?
[00:19:50] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: We just want to be, but how I get there and how I do it is different. And I think that we need to understand people get confused about what AOTA can and can't do [00:20:00] just like I feel like the average American gets confused about what our government does. Oh, and I feel like we need to get back to basics and say AOTA, It's like the pre the main focus is really making sure that our profession stays alive. And so in order for us to do that, we have to be able to be transparent. We have to be able to be clear about how we're advocating for the different, um, policies and decision that that we're focusing on.
[00:20:23] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: For example, how are we advocating for pelvic floor health? There's wonderful things that are happening right now, but do the does the average member or non member know what's happening with our regulatory government affairs in this space? There's incredible staffers at EOTA that are working and focusing on our advocacy efforts. California just did a made a huge had a huge win this week in the mental health space. Um,
[00:20:46] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: it was
[00:20:46] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: huge, and we need to scream to the rooftops about that's our value, what our value is.
[00:20:51] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Um, I believe entrepreneurs really should be in the forefront of our conversation. It's, uh, being able to find ways to reimburse. We should be able to say we're doing this under the [00:21:00] lens of OT. OT. I believe that as far as AOTA, we really need to be able to be have transparent governance in how we communicate things to our members.
[00:21:10] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Right? And have and in a way that's clear and, um, consistent and, um, and, um, that will help bridge the gap in our members trusting what we do. If vision 20 25 is coming up, we have a new vision that we can renew. We have a new mission that we can renew. We have a new strategic plan we can get behind.
[00:21:27] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: And I'm so excited to not only drive it as your VP, we'll execute it as your president, but in the way of bringing community into these conversations. So hip hop community into these
[00:21:38] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: conversations. Right? And That's what we're partnering. Yeah.
[00:21:41] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And it's all a community. It can't just be 1 person. It's never just 1 that gets it through. Realize,
[00:21:47] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Josie, throughout even this campaign,
[00:21:51] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: there is a darkness in our systems. Mhmm.
[00:21:55] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And
[00:21:57] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: somebody who embodies hip [00:22:00] hop culture, it breaks my heart when systems and institutions painlessly and create it to where it is incredibly hard to where you wanna look in the mirror and you wanna give up.
[00:22:15] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Yeah. In there. And that in there. Real life.
[00:22:19] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And so
[00:22:20] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: how do we break through these systems consistently without becoming drained? It might be, you know, the raw, but these systems
[00:22:32] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: are challenging. I call it strategic dam removal. Right? Like, it's restoring our ecology.
[00:22:38] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: A part of the premise and so incorporated in some of the textbook chapter, I actually reached out to Jihan in that, uh, in my first draft, I experimented with poetry, academic poetry in order to convey because I've also been sharing that challenge of how do we get this information to the folks that need it. Because my challenge when you're an entry level clinician is [00:23:00] even if you have this education rate, we work so hard. It feels like the hunger games sometimes just to get into a graduate doctor undergraduate graduate program, getting through those systems. To me, it's felt like a salmon ladder that I've had to fight up to get through. And then you get into the field.
[00:23:16] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: All of a sudden the world of practice is so much different than the world of academia. And what I find as a woman, as a younger person, and a lot of these systems and settings in the field is sometimes my voice doesn't get taken seriously. If I say what occupation is or what Medicare's you know, if you read Medicare directly, it says this, um, but there's a lot of disbelief about that. And so that's always brought me back to AOTA, but I need, uh, for me to do the community work that I'm so excited to do, there needs to be literacy about our profession, about what not just what we can't do and what we don't do, but also about what we can do. I'm an Obama girl and that was the first election I got to vote in.
[00:23:58] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: So I like yes we [00:24:00] can approaches to build community, get that community organizing out. We need this transparency and this information, not just for our own empowerment, but our clients' empowerment. If they don't know what occupational therapy is, they don't know to advocate for it for their mom that just had a stroke or, and I just feel like pelvic health is so it's hard. I it's connected to, I think how we dehumanize folks with medical and mental health needs that obviously a human is always attached to our reproductive system and the need to void and clear. It's concerning to me how much we avoid, but this these are big challenges.
[00:24:36] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: We gotta come together. Um, I've always, uh, the narrative I used, uh, I called a confluence of Kahwa River. And, um, I got to share that. And now what I didn't realize in going back to my own roots in my own agency, new. I don't wanna say I'm new.
[00:24:51] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I've had points where hip hop has touched my life, and I'm really glad that Jian had this prompt, this reflection of what is hip hop to you. [00:25:00] And for me, it it's something that penetrated the suburbs for me in a very powerful way. I grew up in Kansas, in Wyoming as a rural special ed kid. I did not get access to a lot of information about the world. And I think that's why I'm obsessed with taking it in.
[00:25:19] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I love that hip hop can flow. Doris Pierce, who's the author of occupational science for occupational therapy, she dedicates her 10 her textbook to the weeds that grow up through the cracks. And we're talking about these systems like n o t a where it feels like, man, I'm just gonna give You need community. You need that rhythm. You need your ancestors.
[00:25:38] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: You need that legacy. But, man, even Chernobyl, nature grew right back up through all that toxicity. If we find that flow together and we have our life paths converge, I've now since learned that my ancestries, I'm very lucky Icelanders have some written things of our oral history or old traditions and they spoke [00:26:00] in prose. This is something that connects all of us and connecting to that rhythm and knowing that we're part of something bigger. And that's our invitation to the audience today is you get to be a part of occupational therapy, occupational science history, just that, uh, this conversation can exist on not just 1 platform or 2 platforms.
[00:26:20] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Once it's spoken, it can now flow like water. Right? And that I think that's the nature of information is it's meant to flow. It's not always meant to be kept behind a container. Um, and so inviting creating the invitation, inviting us in, really consider audience members.
[00:26:36] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Do you want to live in a democracy? Do you want what do you what is your relationship to the mission and vision? Do you want your voice as part of this? Because doctor a is showing in just a very short time, we can shift some of the foundation. It's been less than a decade.
[00:26:51] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I think doctor a you're inspiring to me because you took as a representation of occupational therapy, occupational science at USC that was [00:27:00] almost a natural con that was a lightning rod. I'm familiar with campus that controversy is becoming a lightning rod, but that's an invitation to reflect. Do we want admissions processes that are biased towards certain traits? Or do we wanna cultivate intentional planning to have and cultivate a diversity of voices? I feel like it's a huge, I just love that you'll get to be part of representing advancing that at USC Holistic Admissions.
[00:27:26] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: That's the magic, that's the medicine, And if we want that as a constituency, we gotta show up and support it. This isn't just about 1 person. This is about us as a collective having that conversation. And it seems like that is something that we could get so much for hip hop culture. I feel like I'm taking up a lot of space right now, so I wanna pass the mic to 1 of you.
[00:27:48] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I I won't take up
[00:27:49] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: any more space. I just wanna say thank you for that. And doctor Jones, I don't know, Jian, I don't know how far more far more we're here today, but you 1 of the things I wanna close with is [00:28:00] transformation. That's what we need, and there's opportunity to be transformative, but you need a leader who is transformative, who is authentic, who who leans in always to the core values
[00:28:13] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: and never know never forgets their
[00:28:15] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: why and never gets clouded by titles and power, um, that will roll up their sleeves and really execute the change. Um, and we have to question if the systems are ready for that, but I feel like the people are transformation as as hip hop transformation, revolution, all the things.
[00:28:33] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Thank you. I mean, this is your podcast. I'm just honored to be able to be here. I do.
[00:28:38] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Well, thank you, doctor a.
[00:28:39] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: I do want to just praise how you indirectly weave in aspects of hip hop within your within your statements. You quoted Killer Mike. I don't know if you recognize that in a way He's the 500. Quoted
[00:28:52] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: him. Oh my god.
[00:28:53] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Yeah. No. You then you called him. He talked about during COVID 19, during the pandemic in Atlanta when there were the protests after [00:29:00] George Floyd, how we need to plot plan, strategize, organize, and mobilize. I used a couple of those, uh, of those terms when we're talking about your mission and your vision for the campaign.
[00:29:10] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: You also talked about serving as a bridge. And so Aretha Franklin, who has been heavily sampled within hip hop culture, talks about being a bridge over trouble water. She's gonna lay down in order to serve, you know, for the greater good. But then you also have Kiara Swamp who said the bridge is over. And so just indirectly, you were tying in those aspects.
[00:29:28] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: And then lastly, you brought in, um, you talked about the darkness within the systems and AOTA in our profession. And yesterday on my the hip hop OT, um, platform on Instagram, I'm doing this me this 28 days with me, mindfulness is hip hop challenge. And yesterday, which was day 15, quoted Big Sean in his song, light. And he's talking about how they can't take away the light, how we are often focusing on external light when the light is inside of us. And I just love how you are using the light within [00:30:00] you to ignite us, to create change against that darkness that continues to hold us back.
[00:30:05] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: So as we continue to come into community by, uh, encouraging individuals to vote and to support what it is that you are being called to do, we just want to send you all positive energy and let you know that we will add our life to yours to create this largest range so that we can set things ablaze in this positive way. So thank you Oh. For representing hip hop. It's such an awesome
[00:30:29] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: way. Thank you.
[00:30:31] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: This is dope. I have been I feel like we're on different spaces, meet and greet. Um, but when I leave, I'm like, so, like, this is 1 of the most resilient space I've been in, and I thank you for transport that sending this energy through me. Um, thank you. I'm gonna listen to this, the rest of this, but I have to hop on a, um, commission of education meeting to talk about potential recruitment and admission.
[00:30:59] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: So the [00:31:00] work is the work. This is how it gets done. We
[00:31:01] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: need people in these policy spaces, Doctor. May, we're here for your hands. And so I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna bow out respectfully, but just know that I really wanna be present.
[00:31:11] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Um,
[00:31:12] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I hope this is just the beginning. It's not the end. Sorry. Yeah. I
[00:31:15] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: hope we can collaborate again.
[00:31:16] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: You have my contact, Jian. Let's make it happen. Let's do something, y'all. Okay.
[00:31:20] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: It ends the 20 third.
[00:31:22] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Thank you, y'all, community. Alright. Alright. Bye, y'all. Thank you.
[00:31:26] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Thank
[00:31:27] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: you. Yeah.
[00:31:28] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I think that's such a wonderful segue because that's this is the reality of activism as a life style and not just like a performative gesture. When you're really wanting to get through transformative, impactful change and spades it like higher education, man, it's going to meeting to meeting. Uh, some powerful questions that you sent out from this that I was collecting on and that relates to both kind of our confluence and both the chapter and our podcast.
[00:31:54] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Because I think something we share is that interest of envisioning [00:32:00] education in a way that we're embedding these really transformative cultural impacts. I heard that with your guests as well, um, on your podcast. So this is part of, to me, this is showing in lifetime that confluence of Kahwa Rivers.
[00:32:11] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: We have allies and folks to partner with in the community that are OTs. This takes more than a village.
[00:32:18] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: It takes an ecosystem. Um, when I teach about occupational science, I use a lion king metaphor. They talk about how we can go from we mentioned that darkness.
[00:32:29] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: It's also, it can be a whiteness and we sometimes have that culture that's part of that stigma that gets spread into a lot of cultural lore that tends to uphold white supremacy. We'll also say, oh, there's something bad about darkness.
[00:32:41] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And I wanna say that darkness can also be whiteness. And sometimes if we've rigged the social system, just like scar did to only benefit him and the hyenas, it ended up really creating a disruption to the occupations for the whole ecosystem. It wasn't for just 1 type of animal or 1 group [00:33:00] within a group of animals. It was something where we need to have a system that doesn't just serve 1 group of people or 1 identity of people or 1 status of people, especially since we know that even though we have this miss of meritocracy, that's actually a miss. It's not really a scientifically deduced and accurate observation for many of the systemic structures that have been built into the United States since our founding.
[00:33:25] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And that goes back to the founding fathers. And before then we've always had a rather racially biased social system in the United States. It's really deep in the roots As somebody that is a descendant of settlers, somebody who's benefited from white culture and access to these spaces, I do want to acknowledge that even from the culture of whiteness, I think that if we really reflect on some culture the culture and the ways that music and poetry and community activism.
[00:33:57] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Like, I resonate even though I'm not part of hip [00:34:00] hop culture in earnest in those ways. But when I hear talking about hip hop, I also hear things like the arts and crafts movement.
[00:34:07] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: The arts and crafts movement was communities coming together feeling like there's something important about this creating in my community, having meaning and purpose. And, um, like you said, at hip hop, it's not just the music, it's also the dance. It's, uh, it's the flow.
[00:34:23] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I was sharing, you know, 1 of the most impactful impacts on my development as a student in undergraduate school was, um, getting to partner with Noah Lindbergh of hip hop congress. We were 2 students joining, we student group.
[00:34:37] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Every campus usually has student groups that you can join and maybe you're not getting academic credit for that, but that's an important part of your occupational identity as a young person is building community in that way. So Evergreen really used a social reconstruction model and maybe critical pedagogies was built into our design. And so for us, our learning was being in the [00:35:00] community, was taking on challenges. They brought a hip hop group, Deadcrest, about almost 15 years ago exactly to our campus. That then mobilized students to show up in support of when there was an issue, uh, with possible racial profiling happening on our campus.
[00:35:19] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: That brought together critical dialogue that really changed the course of my life. I didn't realize that even as a white person, hip hop can have that transformative effect and we'd be more connected to it from those that have a culture of whiteness than we realize. Taylor Swift gets a lot of her kind of mixing of mediums and piecing and evolving. That's something that we can look at. Black culture music actually influences a lot of white music too.
[00:35:51] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: What can you here's your perspective on the power of hip hop to, I don't know, both preserve and weave and create [00:36:00] new cultures in this context and to bring healing to these structures for example, Macklemore came from Evergreen too. That came from some of our critical dialogue. That kind of changed the landscape for a thing. How how can we relate? What guidance can you offer for, like, with Black History Month as well?
[00:36:23] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Like, what's a great way for, um, those of us that come from a culture of whiteness to reflect on our relationship to hip hop, and how can we relate to that in a respectful way? And what are some of your visions for how to incorporate hip hop into OT education?
[00:36:37] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: I think hip hop is a wonderful landscape for how to, how to practice radical transformation of a space or a a structure that needs to be reformed or completely torn down or rebuilt. So when you mentioned Ed Perez, which is Stigman and m 1 Stigman actually lived in Tallahassee for quite some time. Um, and so I have a [00:37:00] special connection to Stigman, not personal, but just a special connection because I live in Tallahassee and I am from Tallahassee by way of Pelham, Georgia.
[00:37:07] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: But they, um, created a organization or a company called Revolutionary for Gangsta RBG, and that's actually 1 of the tracks on their 1 of their albums. It's called Revolutionary for Gangsta, and they're explaining how they are calling for these revolutions, but they're gangsta at the same time. Gangsta just simply means going against the grain of what is considered typical. And right now, we can say that typical is traditional ivory tower academia. And then you have myself coming in representing hip hop culture.
[00:37:41] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: And even at a HBCU, which at times is not fully accepted, I am representing my identity to the fullest so that I can participate or practice well-being or achieve well-being for myself, but it's also relating to my students. And so hip hop again is a landscape, uh, a landscape for change. [00:38:00] It's radical. It's a cause, so I can do it for radical transformation to occur.
[00:38:04] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: And in terms of individuals that relate to hip hop or may even identify with hip hop, but who may be white, it you know, with rap was able to be sustained financially because of white suburban males.
[00:38:19] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: That is 1 of the quotes from Mark East Johnson from my latest episode of 2 fifteenth. That is the reason why we have artists who have this abundance and financial means is because we didn't have the money. When I say we black people. Systemically,
[00:38:36] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: it was built up so that, for example, I'm from Seattle area. 1 of our biggest employers, Boeing, that manufactures planes, even though Washington state was never a slave state or anything like that, there's some of the racism of the north has been through, just not providing jobs.
[00:38:55] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: For example, like Boeing, it took a really long time before [00:39:00] they would hire anybody of color, for example. So that just to give a practical example to the audience of what that can look like systemically, folks can be deprived of resources, not internalized ailments or things that are wrong about who they are individually or the ways that they cultivate community. It's because there's been like policy plans, redlining, things like that. And this tends to get left out of my most prior con podcast to this 1. So if there's new listeners, you can check out the most recent, uh, podcast around Thanksgiving with, uh, a native indigenous Hawaiian, uh, student that we went to high school together in the suburbs and how we got they withheld certain information from us is what I'm trying to say.
[00:39:42] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: So I just wanted to elucidate that to the listeners who might be coming from cultures of whiteness that don't understand that even in these progressive states, there's still systemic factors that lead to not having resources.
[00:39:54] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Absolutely.
[00:39:54] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: In terms of black and brown people being systemically disadvantaged in terms of finances and [00:40:00] income, who supported rap artists or MCs earlier on in hip hop were white suburban males because they wanted those stories because those weren't stories that they were used to. And so it served as a form of entertainment. It gave them a view into urban areas, AKA the hood.
[00:40:16] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: And now we have this mainstream aspects of the hip hop culture or of hip hop, which some individuals see as hip hop in general, but it's not. And that's because of capitalism. So they were able to monetize the art form because they saw the individuals would purchase it that supply and demand, and they took advantage of that day as in the media industry or the music industry. And so with that being said, hip hop can be taken out of context and it can take away that aspect of radical transformation, but at the same time, people are. People like Beyonce.
[00:40:48] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: I don't want you to pick up Beyonce. People like Beyonce who is who has shifted and shifted the music industry. She started out with a music company, um, because there's only 5 in [00:41:00] total in the world. Even though we have these independent music labels, what happens is they all stem back to 1 of the 5 large music labels, and I'm not going to say what those 5 are. Um, but what she did was she she set free and she started to release her music on Fridays.
[00:41:16] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Now music was dropped on Tuesdays across all drummers, and now music is dropped on Fridays because of Beyonce Knowles Carter.
[00:41:24] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: From then, she had stopped using advertisement so that she can save dollars. And what happened from that is people started to be surprised and that surprised element, GEOHN's theory, working theory is what happened is people started to just pounce on it and it increased streams and sales. And so some individuals just started to take that same route because they saw that it was working for Beyonce and Beyonce made that blueprint. She also started to create movies from her from her tours.
[00:41:52] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Um, she started to go directly through her own private company for her tours versus using outside companies. She may have collaborated with them, but she made sure that her company was [00:42:00] associated with it. And then she started to use her husband's title service, which she is now a product with this title. And so we have a lot of other artists who are doing that. And then I feel like Beyonce doesn't necessarily get the credit that she's due, but I'm making sure that
[00:42:11] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: she gets the credit.
[00:42:12] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I love that. So that's for us, Swifties, on my platform or whatnot or listening to this, if that sounds familiar, look, we need to honor Beyonce. Right? Changing the game up, it's not just Taylor's version and Scooter Braun. Right?
[00:42:26] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Uh, that's an example where the narrative is, oh, it's these individuals that are, like, targeting 1 person. But for what I just learned from you in in cultivating that broader historic literacy, that historic context that is interweaving these different voices. It sounds from what you're sharing. Wow. That being able to disrupt industry patterns in the systemic music industry that is creating more space for more diverse audiences to gain mainstream approval, which is what we have a frat we have a mirror image [00:43:00] of that in the academy because you can go if you're looking at, okay, the original 5 music labels, we kinda have that with the original philosophers that were given their voices were valid because of where they were positioned in the world and because of often their demographic differences.
[00:43:17] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: When I personally listed as an occupational being, I see brilliance and honest everybody that I'm connecting with. Humans have impactful and meaningful insight and we're still now because we built our academic structures where you divided mental health from physical health and we separated the reimbursement structures from those things, we actually have to confront those challenges just like Beyonce's confronting the music industry. Um, to confront both the whiteness and the dark that are endemic in our systemic structures, we have to think outside the box. Like a salmon trying to get around a dam that's built man made to privatize [00:44:00] the flow of that river to cultivate electricity that can be privately owned and commodified. Right?
[00:44:05] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: That's that power. Right? And it's supposed to flow to a community. We're trying to bring that ecology back. We're not we're that ended that same metaphor.
[00:44:12] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: We need to if we notice in the field something's not right, my client's mental health is being systemically neglected. Their pelvic health is being systemically neglected. We should take some inspiration from like, where have we seen transformation in these structures? Right. I think most of us have grown up, even if you don't listen to hip hop, we're growing up with the influence of it, even in the suburbs.
[00:44:37] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: My, uh, my first high school boyfriend, he brought me into the mortal technique. I have no idea how much I don't know how broadly they these are, but that made a huge difference to my life that I got access to that white he happened to be a white man at that time, but to have hip hop culture be able to penetrate that consciousness and create some critical [00:45:00] reflection about the structures that benefited me as a white woman. It made it so I had a more conscious community friendships. It let me see outside the very restricted lens in the suburban community. Um, I feel like hip hop has probably benefited all of our lives occupationally and that there's maybe some times where they want us to not see those really constructive and positive outlets.
[00:45:24] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: There's so much propaganda of looking at hip hop culture through a very negative lens. When I will say that even though I've been connected to some very big racial compass campus controversies, It's honestly been the culture of whiteness that has brought violence to, um, my campuses. That's brought physical harm to my friends and community. Uh, while I was at Evergreen, um, I had a friend from my high school, somebody from the suburbs, her brother was shot by the Seattle Police Department, um, uh, at the University of Washington on college campus. [00:46:00] So often sometimes that fragility of not seeing the humanity and difference that is leading to physical violence.
[00:46:06] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And I think it's so important to realize that the culture of violence is very complex. And speaking of the descendants of Vikings, it's violence is actually, you know, it's a coping mechanism for a strange environment and ecosystem. So if we're really looking at, I think we need to look at and make sure that we're not seeing that bias perspective on history. And I think it sounds like hip hop is a very complex
[00:46:31] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: world. Very much so because there's so many comp you know, yeah, sub genres of hip hop, which may have has stemmed from the different geographical area or the geographical area for its inception.
[00:46:42] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Trap is was originated in the south with, I would say, rappers like, you know, Jeezy and CI, but then you have Cardi b, participating in trap music and she's from New York. So she's from what we would call the East Coast within hip hop culture versus Yum Jeezy and T. I. Being from the South. [00:47:00] Yeah.
[00:47:00] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Absolutely. There are different aspects or different, um, I would say, within hip hop culture, which makes it so awesome. Again, hip hop was created by black and brown people and created by black and brown people that migrated specifically from the south, in my opinion, and went to different spaces, which is why aspects of the music were practiced in these geographical areas, but New York claims from being the creator. But it spread like wild wildfire because we still had family, I'm going to say, in these different areas. With that being said, it's still a wide community, and not just domestically, but also internationally because we have communities of hip hop in Britain and in on the continent of Africa and Asia.
[00:47:45] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: So, you know, hip hop is there's many spaces in hip hop as an overall place.
[00:47:51] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Yeah. To belong That kinda connects to me too. That kind of repeats itself in academic culture where there's also that same, that's 1 of the hardest [00:48:00] things I think that makes academia intimidating is that crediting. Where does the origin of this thing come from that comes up in occupational science a lot?
[00:48:07] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Oh, okay. So it started in USC and then it developed differently in this area and was interesting. And I like that because it's with hip hop, that's almost like an umbrella term for so many diverse voices and cultures internationally. And I can see a correlation with that with occupation, occupational science, or even if we think of occupational science and occupational therapy as more of a process than sort of like a prescription. If it's something that we collaboratively develop, there's space for it to evolve, which actually I heard on your last podcast too.
[00:48:40] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Uh, just thinking about we credit our founders, we credit the originators, the context where certain things emerge. Um, and Evely shared here, Evely shared biology beyond similar thing. We we've noticed when adaptive traits emerge, but sometimes the similar phenomena can happen very we call it it convergent evolution where something develops similarly, and I feel that [00:49:00] way about occupational science. Yeah. We we had the founders at USC, and then it also convergently developed in Australia.
[00:49:06] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And we can learn from those different perspectives. At the end of the day, we're all gonna come together with this united mission and vision of occupation. Or when we find out too that occupation is not the most trauma informed word for cultures and communities that have experienced systemic oppression and violence under occupations, then we can pivot how we speak and how we flow in service to our community without losing in our identity. I know that we're going into our last minutes here because I have a feeling that this isn't gonna be our last conversation. And I'm so excited for what we can cultivate with this textbook chapter, which is a sign of systemic change, creating those openings.
[00:49:48] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I never thought that I finished my doctorate last January as a clinical doctorate. I didn't get a PhD, but I just made a I went for it. We had the call for papers, and [00:50:00] I've never done this before, but I went for it. And I'm somebody that likes to practice what I preach and so experimenting. You might think, oh, I'm gonna give up or I didn't go the right way.
[00:50:09] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I didn't follow this direction, but you know what? I've been working with a collaborative team and we just say, hey, I just discovered, I didn't discover you beyond, but we met. Oh man, I can't believe this was a blind spot. I missed this powerful scholarship. I think this voice needs to be here.
[00:50:26] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Um, this is how systems change is we're disrupting that flow. Sometimes you actually have to move away from tradition. I think all OTs right now, if we're truly gonna be in solidarity with the disability rights movement, we're really gonna meet the AOTA vision 20 25. We need to start getting some comfort challenging these systems that are designed just to benefit certain people and not others, And that can be challenging. Doctor a mentioned that.
[00:50:53] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: It can feel like it can you can feel like you need to grow up give up at some point. But what I loved about, um, the guest on your [00:51:00] podcast, I forget that I'm not terrorizing the names at this point. He mentioned that hip hop was always there. That was like the through line. It's the water you're swimming in.
[00:51:08] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Sometimes knowing that we're corrected connected to a broader win movement with our seeing that we all have an ancestry that has been fighting for humanity to be taken seriously. Sometimes it really just helps to know you're not alone and that you have things that are there. It's not behind a paywall. I've actually been respectful to be on safe paywalls. I will say if I haven't actor music, but we need things that show up as we need them.
[00:51:33] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I love that about music and hip hop is that when you're in that dysregulated moment, it sounds like it can be there. And I'm I think that's what we need as OT. We need those resources there as we need it to acknowledge the struggle we're in with these systems. Um, we're only gonna get there together and in solidarity with our community. Um, also, we can't neglect the stuff in the Ivy Towers because what they do impacts on the ground floor.
[00:51:59] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: [00:52:00] So that's where we have to I think of it as a continuum both on the top and the bottom. I I think, you know, we have a continuum of care. I think we have a continuum of knowledge translation. So what are the tools that help knowledge flow? We have a case example.
[00:52:14] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Hip hop is 1 of those things that helps knowledge flow both up and down.
[00:52:21] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Yeah.
[00:52:21] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: I I really liked the transition you did there because that brought up the thought or brought to me the thought of how I've utilized hip hop prompts for student reflection on fieldwork. And what I identified in my opinion was a gap of cultural relevancy and how students were were asked about their experiences, um, performance according to the ALTA performance evaluation for students while on level 2 field work. And I asked the students, I did a survey prior to them going out on level 2 field work on if they would like for me to incorporate a pop theme or hip hop or various hip hop prompts.
[00:52:58] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: And they all said, yes, they didn't know what my things [00:53:00] would be. And so I did 2 different, um, 2 different studies. 1 was utilizing Outcast for journal prompts for the reflection. And then another 1 was for the discussion forum where I just utilized different hip hop based GIFs to ask them questions. And so that is also an assignment and exercise that allowed them to reflect.
[00:53:21] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: And in collecting data after the assignment, so on that final or twelfth week, they were a hundred percent unanimously stated that using the hip hop themes was it assisted them in reflecting grades and also encouraged them to truly reflect versus just seeing the assignment as a task to be done. And so because of that, they were able to connect to the ways that they can improve performance as related to the AOTA performance evaluation, which helped them with greatly passing their level 2 rotations. And carrying on what pioneers like Gloria Ladson Billings started, continuing [00:54:00] on with Mark Lamont Hill and his beats, rhymes, and classroom life, and utilizing hip hop pedagogy and Christopher Emdin with his ratcheademic work in hip hop ed. And even, um, doctor Ayesha Durham, and we're gonna put these things into the episode notes for both of our platforms. But on with hip hop feminism performances and communication and culture, uh, doctor Ayesha Durham, um, that gave me permission to be home with hip hop, n o t, regardless of if I was in a clinical setting or the academic setting.
[00:54:31] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: So I definitely want to let Ayesha Durham know that her text allowed me to to feel free or in mood to to perform. Perform is to just be by the ways that we perform our identity, but to be in that space to gain belonging for myself, which in turn created belonging for the students. And I really appreciate us being able to come together and invite doctor a and also connect how hip hop allows us to connect and [00:55:00] continue to flow on
[00:55:00] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: that particular level. It's symbiotic. Sorry to cut you off there.
[00:55:03] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Yeah. Yep. No. Go ahead. It's just that's a good point.
[00:55:07] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: That's I hope it comes through the chapter too. It's hard to it's so interesting to birth these things because I you know, sometimes when we think of science, we think of a lab and standardizing everything and making it so sterile. Um, it's interesting for me, my journey as an academic and honestly, as a therapist, it's almost been since I've graduated into the field, especially I've really leaned on more of the creative aspects, the art of it, the figuring out how you convey things in a way. There's an artistry that is there, which is where I reached out to initially. I was like insecure.
[00:55:41] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I'm like, I hope I'm not like super appropriate in relating to academia this way. Because sometimes we need to bring the arts to the sciences. Sometimes that's what OT feels like we're here to do. We're in the institutional regimented standardized environments. And sometimes when I really try to make the basics of what OT is or try to have explain it.
[00:55:59] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Right? And [00:56:00] that's publishing because people don't know what we do. That's a huge systemic barrier of there's a lack of public literacy about what occupational therapy is. We run up against all these barriers. What do we do about that?
[00:56:13] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I wanna say sometimes, like, I have anger. I think a lot of us have trauma from K through 12 and our school. We're learning if you learn the broader historic context of where higher education came from, it really is connected to assimilatory practices. And that is why we're like challenging some of those professionalism standards and field work. That's why your work is so important is we need to reconceive how we're preparing students to be successful in field work, which might mean that we need some embodied coping mechanisms too when we observe injustices and we're facing systemic challenges.
[00:56:50] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Having connected the artistry and not just the science is needed to sustain and they can sys symbiontically reinforce each other. You're using hip hop in a way that [00:57:00] you're also meeting ACOT standards and you're also meeting AOTA's standards. And it's not just, it's not challenging those standards, it's elevating them with artistry. The thing I didn't get to before was that, like, why didn't disability have to be no fun? Or, hey.
[00:57:17] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: If you just lost your home basically because you had a stroke or you had something happen, being there with our client for that occupational disruption. And I think of blues singing, like being in the sorrow of that loss. Hip hop, having that lens to connect, you know, even if you come from culture of central descent and whiteness, you're gonna be serving and supporting clients from demographics and backgrounds that are different than yours. So being able to reference those cultural piecing, I feel like it's hard to respect a culture that you don't understand and you haven't had exposure to. And hip hop is it's a very accessible [00:58:00] way to learn as somebody who has whiteness.
[00:58:02] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: And I apologize for I know this is going beyond a little bit of our our time, but like the a lot of the propaganda that I got in the 2 thousands and the nineties was like, oh, rap and hip hop. It it's violent. Uh, like you said, gang culture that they were like, don't listen to it. We don't want you to listen to it because it's violent, which is weird now that I've reflected on my family history and my ancestry. I I come from Vikings.
[00:58:26] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I come from Raiders. Right? Country music. Also, you know, Johnny Cash. We know Johnny Cash, he performed in prison.
[00:58:34] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: He we all of our ancestors, I'm sorry, did what they needed to do to survive. There might be skeletons in everybody's closets ancestry. Like, there's some projection there. My ancestors are violent. They there's a big thing with gun culture.
[00:58:49] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Where I grow up, there's a huge thing about guns. Right? When we think about violence, that's something that we need to take collective responsibility for. When we're [00:59:00] projecting it on 1 group or the other. We need to heal together and we can't do that without recognizing the reality of what we're facing.
[00:59:07] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: If we're in denial, sometimes we can face things in art that we're not willing to fade. There's a reason why our sciences are so far behind the social sciences and the lived realities of our experience. That's actually why I find occupational science to be a lifeline for me because it's rare to find a scientific perspective that also finds the social sciences to be valid. And if you're somebody here that is really celebrated occupational therapy history coming from the arts and crafts movement, coming from people wanting to be connected to their artistic expression and challenging industrialization and the quality of life and the disability rights movement. If you can see the humanity in that and the confrontation that eventually led to systemic solutions to advance human rights, I really encourage you to see hip hop through a different lens because hip hop movement, the hip hop [01:00:00] culture, this thing, man, that's the same transformative force.
[01:00:03] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I don't wanna see the same, but it's just as powerful as the arts and crafts movement. I think it is the modern arts and crafts movement. We should have it be more diverse this time. We should incorporate all the folk and people arts and resistency structures. The goal isn't just confrontation and destruction.
[01:00:19] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: It's eventually to get to this symbiosis where hip hop, yes, it's challenging academia, but it's actually empowering academia with new choices and creating new common ground. Just like my ancestors, the Vikings, yes, they brought violence, they brought terror, they put war on a pedestal, but over time, because they were open to new things, new cultures shifting, they pivoted their culture over time to be 1 of commerce, symbiosis, learning, adapting, bringing in and saying, what if we are a culture not focused on war, but on social services that are functional and sustainable and [01:01:00] accessible to the most marginalized? We can all do that and realize that there's darkness and there's lightness in all of our background, and if we connect through art, we can't. It's not just about challenging our institutions, it's about evolving them. And we need leaders at every point in the continuum, and we need to get used to empowering each other and seeing the humanity in everyone, including yourself.
[01:01:25] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Thank you for letting me have the space for that, Jayanne, and just as great pallet and illustration of how this feels like a conflict, but it's actually an invitation to uplevel the experience for all of our students to think differently about education.
[01:01:41] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Yeah.
[01:01:41] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Um, as we close, I just wanted to make sure that I address, um, a few things that you said.
[01:01:47] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: So with hip hop, um, being connected to the arts and crafts movement, I would agree with that. I would agree with that in a way that hip hop came about in New York because art [01:02:00] was pulled from schools.
[01:02:02] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: And so if you take away band, if you take away course, if you take away sketch art and paint art, then how do your students participate in art and crafts? And, um, what did they do? They started to do ciphers on, um, the corners in New York City. They took canned paint, spray paint, and they found canvases on walls and alleyways. Um, they took cardboard and they started to dance, break dance on that cardboard.
[01:02:29] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: And then in taking away shop and things like that, we had students who or a student who took his dad's vinyl player, and he decided to manipulate some of his structures.
[01:02:41] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: And that's when DJing was created or DJing in the aspect of hip hop. And so that's arts and crafts in itself, and that's why it relates. And then as you were talking about the Vikings in prioritizing war, but then evolving to focus more on commerce, then I immediately thought about [01:03:00] Nipsey Hussle, who was a member, uh, the Crip gang, which gangs were formed in order to help uplift our communities initially, and they evolved over time. But going back to Nipsey, what he did was he instead of prioritize or putting gang culture on the pedestal, he decided to use that aspect of community within gang culture and created a store, marathon clothing.
[01:03:23] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Um, he also allowed individuals to purchase or pour into his art by, by asking them to pay prices that were above the typical price for music so that he can put that money back into the store. And that store ended up shifting into or evolving into a community center for children to learn computer science, to learn, um, how to become a producer or engineer from using. And so that's the way that he was able to utilize, um, something similar to what you were talking about in your culture. So as you mentioned earlier on in our, um, in our conversation that closed the loop, we are more connected than [01:04:00] we think. And if we just practice having more of an open mind, and if we look for those connections, I feel like we can all move forward more positively in creating and maintaining as well as sustaining change.
[01:04:15] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: Wow. This is just the beginning,
[01:04:16] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: doctor Dion. I am enthused. I hope that we will this is just beginning of possibly a long term collaboration and bringing this world, not just to the academy, but also to the field. And honestly, this is helping me with my own burnout, my own, uh, those the discouragement that I heard with doctor A and we're kinda, I think, I imagine I don't wanna project things onto you, uh, doctor Tina, but I think I wanted to this podcast to role model what's possible to kinda show and not just tell and to role model message out you there too.
[01:04:46] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Like, I think there's a lot of discouragement right now, feeling like that, cutting up against that darkness and that whiteness in our systems is, wow, I was really excited to vote for doctor a, but I became a member too late, and now I can't vote. And I want you [01:05:00] to know part of what we talked about is hip hop, It started with that. Well, this is the voice for the voiceless. So this is a call not to be quiet and to step back. Uh, that's what the darkness and the whiteness in these systems want is for you to take yourself out because you ran into 1 barrier, but we don't have to do that.
[01:05:15] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: As o OTs, OS, when our clients face barriers, we're there to support them in persisting and adapting to change. This is our call now. So we want a role model for you. Your voice is more important now than ever. We're not gonna let it be systemically silent.
[01:05:31] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: We're gonna build community from this. We're gonna come together and we're gonna face our burnout and our challenges as a village and not in isolation. We have that invitation. We have that possibility. If you are feeling discouraged or feeling like your voice is taken, we invite you to connect with some of the scholars in the show notes.
[01:05:48] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I'm gonna highlight also Josephine Baker. Her names are important. Josephine's are important to me. Josephine Baker. She's even almost as the 1 woman.
[01:05:56] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: She has a lot of Beyonce credit. She all she took on [01:06:00] really straight hard system growing up in Missouri and she helped even going to France. She came back to the US and she helped to segregate our culture. There's so much that you can do as a human and that bravery, knowing you have a community behind you. So know that you have community, um, with an I haven't been calling myself doctor really, but, um, with Josie and Jian and education, we're doing it.
[01:06:21] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: We're showing up on the front line. Don't let this 1 setback get you down. That's what we need you to involve. We need you to make activism a lifestyle. If we really want people like doctor a to be empowered at AOTA, That's a call to us, not just to doctor a, it's to us to show up and support, collaborate, make those spaces.
[01:06:41] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: You could really change your client's lives today. Change your own life. Listen to some hip hop today. Check it out in the show links, um, and keep listening. Both are podcasts.
[01:06:49] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: I'm gonna include a tool kit on just a policy letter stuff. Always feel that you can connect with me on my website if you wanna know how policy systems work behind the scenes. I'll do my [01:07:00] best to break it down for you. Just think of it like IEPs. You learn these laws to help make change for your clients, adapt the environment.
[01:07:07] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Sometimes you just need it. It's the same problem, different lens. Pivot. We'll model that a bit in this podcast that, oh, some of these phenomena in hip hop are also taking place in the academy, and we can get inspired by that. Credit that.
[01:07:18] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Celebrate that. Try not to appropriate it. We'll learn those things over time. This is gonna be so awesome. This is you're seeing history in lifetime.
[01:07:26] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Doctor Jian's curriculum, field work things now in a textbook, got brought into doctor a going to a curriculum. This is what this process looks like. Uh, once you get part of it, it's fun. If you're in the flow, it can be therapeutic. It can be this thing.
[01:07:39] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Then even if it's not connecting through hip hop, if that feels, like, a little bit uncomfortable for you, do what I did. Reflect on your own family history. Find where there's and then formative change agents. That's what OT is all about. You're you're welcome here.
[01:07:54] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Thank you so much, Josie. Wonderful. Are you comfortable closing there? We'll continue the conversation [01:08:00] on both our podcasts. Please check out, um, it's 2 2 fifteens.
[01:08:04] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Right? Mhmm. 2
[01:08:05] Dr. Arameh Anvarizadeh OTD, OTR/L, FAOTA: fifteens
[01:08:06] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: Occupation. Where hip hop the podcast where hip hop occupation and identity
[01:08:10] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: collide. We just rebranded to the Evolved Living podcast in that.
[01:08:15] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: But I'm really wanting to go more towards the field, towards community. Occupational science is still so obscure that weaving it through the cracks, doing that Trojan horse thing. Um, they're taking a bit of a social media break, but you can still find and connect with me on my website, josie jarvis dot com. There it has an educational science 101 guide. If you're still kind of new to occupational science and you wanna see what those words means, feel free to check that out.
[01:08:37] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Thank you so much, um, for your time and, um, please vote. Wait. I think we heard it was like the 20 third is the ending.
[01:08:43] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: So make it put it block it on your calendar. Check it out this week.
[01:08:47] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Get that vote in. We can only represent the voices that wanna be heard. This is an important way to do it. Our ancestors, if you especially if you have 2 x chromosomes or you have highly pigmented skin, [01:09:00] your ancestors fought and in many cases really sacrificed systemically for that right to vote. Do not neglect this privilege.
[01:09:09] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Yes. It's not enough. We know it's not enough. That doesn't mean it's not important. Alright.
[01:09:15] Dr. Josie Jarvis, PP-OTD, MA-OTR/L, BA, BS: Thank
[01:09:15] Dr. Jian Jones, PhD, OTR/L, ACSM-CEP: you so much, Josie. That was amazing. I totally agree, and I'll see you next time. Peace and blessings. Love and light.