Ep 189: Navigating Maternal Health with Occupational Therapy, interview with Kori Nuzum OTR/L (part 1/2)

In this episode, Dr. Shannon interviews Kori, an occupational therapist with a focus on maternal health. They discuss the role of occupational therapy in supporting mothers, the importance of community and connection, and the launch of Kori's program, Let's Retreat, which aims to provide support and resources for new moms. The conversation emphasizes the need for postpartum support, the significance of mental health, and the importance of taking ownership of one's postpartum journey.

00:00
Introduction to Occupational Therapy in Maternal Health

04:14
Understanding Occupational Therapy

09:30
The Role of Occupational Therapy in Maternal Health

13:28
Postpartum Support and Resources

18:34
Differences Between Occupational Therapy and Physical Therapy

21:40
Let's Retreat: A Program for Moms

27:39
Conclusion and Future Insights

Transcript

Aligned Birth Podcast (00:01.976)
Hello, hello, you are listening to the Aligned Birth Podcast. I am Dr. Shannon. I'm one of the hosts of the show, prenatal chiropractor. And today we have a guest on, and I'm so excited about these, and these interviews that we do. And today we've got, we've not had this profession on the show before. I'm, I we've had variations of it, I believe, but I'm really excited.

about it. So today we have Cory on the show and she is an occupational therapist and really with more of like a maternal focus. So that's what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk about what is occupational therapy and I know some people are probably like, what's the difference between PT and OT? So we're going to delve into that a little bit. What does it mean for maternal occupational therapy? And then the whole gamut of why she does what she does, how she got there.

because that journey I think plays a very, very big role in how we show up in the birth worker world. And we're going to talk a little bit about a program that she has to support postpartum moms as well. So we're going to have a fun time talking about all these things. So Cory is the founder of Let's Retreat, a community created in the middle of diapers, nap schedules, and the beautiful chaos of raising two under two.

As both a mom and an occupational therapist, she discovered practical, evidence-based ways to feel more present and actually enjoy motherhood. And now she helps other moms do the same. Through mom and baby classes and supportive programs just for moms, Corey's mission is to help women move beyond just surviving and truly thrive in this season. So welcome, Corey.

Kori (01:45.563)
Wow, thank you so much. Yes, thank you. This is my podcast debut. I'm so excited.

Aligned Birth Podcast (01:47.906)
You're welcome. I'm so excited to have you on.

Aligned Birth Podcast (01:55.498)
Ooh, yay. First time podcaster. I know. I love that. I love that. And I think that we got to recognize the fact that you said yes to this because it's a big, I don't know, it's a nerve wracking thing to be like a guest on show and interviewed and it's like, ugh, all the nerves and stuff. So I'm excited you agreed.

Kori (02:14.067)
Thank you. Well, I'll do my best. When we talk about occupational therapy, it is, I think we actually in school have time dedicated towards articulating it because it is so widespread, like it's across the lifespan.

It's so many different things you can be doing. People are like, so what do you actually do? And it really depends on the person. yes, it's, and now you add the layer of maternal health. so I'll try to keep it simple.

Aligned Birth Podcast (02:41.454)
Yeah.

Aligned Birth Podcast (02:46.422)
and who you're working with.

Aligned Birth Podcast (02:53.454)
Yay! No, no, I love it. I'm super excited about this too because we've actually met in real life. Sometimes the people that I interview on here, I haven't necessarily met in real life, but I'm excited that we did get to connect because I found you through social media, which I do love because I find wonderful people in the community that are

birth workers or wanting to support women in that perinatal space. And that's what I'm always looking for, just other ways to support moms. I found you through Akworth Parks and Rec. So I know like our show, we do a lot of interviews, a lot of them do end up being very local to like the metro Atlanta area. We have a couple that are worldwide and widespread and that type of thing, but I do love our local flair. So I'm excited that we've...

met in person. And yeah.

Kori (03:51.546)
Yes, thank you so much though, because just to be welcomed into the birth space is wonderful. Especially when you're starting something new and someone says, hey, I have an hour to talk to you. Okay, I would love to, it was wonderful. So thank you.

Aligned Birth Podcast (03:59.054)
Mm-hmm.

Aligned Birth Podcast (04:08.718)
Yeah, yeah, of course. Okay, and where do you want to start? Do you want to start with your kind of like, who are you as far as like how you got into that occupational therapy space and then kind of we can delve into like what it is and then how you have formed it into that maternal.

Kori (04:32.072)
Yeah.

Aligned Birth Podcast (04:38.486)
occupational therapist role. Okay.

Kori (04:39.686)
Let's do that. Yes.

But so, do you ask or I just go into it?

Aligned Birth Podcast (04:50.604)
You can just say, yeah, wherever you wanna start. Like if you wanna start with, like what got you into occupational therapy? I'm like, do we talk about, like do we define occupational therapy and then say, okay, this is why I got into it. It's whatever or however, if that definition comes out with like, hey, this is why I do what I do, yeah.

Kori (05:07.881)
Okay.

Kori (05:11.761)
Yeah, so I'll go from there. So I became an occupational therapist because I was really interested in helping people, of course. The neuroscience was interesting and I liked that we could help people through doing things. I thought it would be a fun career. So basically, an occupational therapist, we help people do the things that they want and need to do.

And that comes in many layers. We help through newborn, through the elderly. Anything, we look at the holistic person. We look at all aspects of them physically, what's going on in their environment, and then how can we progress them towards a goal. So it might look like.

recovering and surgery, how can we help them with that? It might be dressing, bathing, all of those things, but then it could also be in kids play. A lot of people think, you're an OT, you work with children. So it's like play. But it's really just is trying to help.

Aligned Birth Podcast (06:24.141)
Yeah.

Aligned Birth Podcast (06:29.592)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (06:37.033)
people transition and meet their goals and live a fulfilling life. That really is looking at the broad spectrum of what an OT does. That is how I treat every person that I work with is where are they at now? Where do they want to be? And what can we do to get them there? And how the intervention you choose differs. So

Aligned Birth Podcast (06:42.488)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (07:04.649)
I worked in tons of settings and then of course I became a mom and what I wanted in life changed and what it wasn't aligning anymore. And as I was sitting in so many mom and baby classes, I just had this feeling like there are moms that are going through so much.

Aligned Birth Podcast (07:19.438)
Uh-huh.

Kori (07:34.6)
you know, there's so much I'm sure they have questions with. And I feel like I have an idea of who could they could be referred to or what might be going on. But no one's really talking about it. We're only focused on our kids, which is right. But how could we how could we be involved? And I started looking into it and realized there's this whole movement of occupational therapists

Aligned Birth Podcast (07:51.43)
huh.

Kori (08:04.477)
getting into maternal health because we have, you know, knowledge that can help guide moms in this space. And then I stayed home with my kids for a little bit, which was kind of a reset. We spent so much time, like off screens and nature. And I, you know, was able to get a good foundation of who I am as a mom and what

was helping me and I kind of thought, you know, I want to work in nature. So I found a mentor that's an OT as well and she helps people like link evidence to your practice. So instead of just going out and guessing, I have a pretty solid understanding of some strategies that moms can use.

to improve their health.

Aligned Birth Podcast (09:03.026)
Yeah. So it's it reminds me of in school when we're always, you know, you're checking in with people and like, is this complaint or something interrupting your activities of daily living? You know, like that was always the key phrase. And that's where you're kind of, you know, looking at, OK, well, this is impacting now their sleep and this acre pain or this dysfunction is now impacting their ability to run or play with their kids or whatever that is.

And that's what that, it kind of reminds me of you looking in through that lens, but I like the aspect of you saying, it's not just the person, but it's also looking at their environment. Cause that's gonna be key too. Like what shifts do you need to make in that space as well? It's not just like, just on the person, but it's also like, what's in your environment that's also causing a hindrance as well, you know?

Kori (09:59.034)
Yes, definitely. And I will, I want to add that there are maternal health occupational therapists that specialize in a lot of different things. And this is just my lens that I see things through. So you could go down a rabbit hole of all the things we can get into. My particular lens is more mental health. How can I help them thrive in their role of being a mom? So.

Aligned Birth Podcast (10:12.92)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (10:29.193)
That is a little... I fit there.

Aligned Birth Podcast (10:30.902)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, but that's also like is there that mental component that's impacting your ability to thrive like that's yeah, it's like it's that other lens as well too. Like you can have the aches and pains, but then they're like you were saying there's also that mental aspect of how mom is feeling and it's neat to have you probably come in and look at it with a different lens.

Kori (10:41.705)
Great.

Aligned Birth Podcast (10:59.938)
And I think that's what's so nice to have in that birth support world or that perinatal support world is all those different lenses of how you look at things, you know, because you're going to pick up on something that another practitioner is probably not going to pick up on.

Kori (11:12.446)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (11:17.389)
And then we kind of all work together. think one of the, when I was thinking about something that I do is encourage moms to just sit still with themselves and do kind of like a body scan, just even real quick. And then you can identify, I'm having back pain. Well, is it because of ergonomics or what's going on? you know, is this working? Can we try this or do we need to refer you to someone?

Aligned Birth Podcast (11:19.971)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (11:46.814)
you know, because what is normal or what is not? If nobody, you know, we're not talking about these things. So let's get talking, figure out, is there something we can make a shift in or is this something that could use more support? And then it's great to know people in the community that I could refer people to and feel confident that they could help.

Aligned Birth Podcast (11:49.966)
Mm-hmm.

Aligned Birth Podcast (12:12.559)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (12:13.629)
Because that was another thing you mentioned to me. There's tons of support, but do moms always know what the support is? Because we often hear after birth, we're not supported, we don't have any checkups, any visits. So I would like to bring moms out for something fun to do. But also if something is going on, let them know there is support out there.

Aligned Birth Podcast (12:43.855)
I want to go down that rabbit hole for a minute because I was on, this is something that's been on my mind and it felt a little sassy in my brain and I'm like, well, I don't want to be sassy about it. But I do understand the narrative of there is a lack of postpartum support for moms. And I get it in the aspect of you go at six weeks or eight weeks if you've had a hospital birth.

They give you a checkbox and say, yeah, everything looks fine. You've healed, whatever that looks like in that world. And then we move on. But there are so many support people out there. So now it's kind of like, and I don't know if it's because we see it so much because we're in it, know? Because I'm like, my gosh, there's just support everywhere. What do mean you don't feel supported?

But I feel like, I don't know if it needs to change in the aspect of it still needs to be really loud and moms need to hear it or is it now shifted to postpartum mom and does she say, I am gonna have to take ownership of this postpartum period and I am going to have to find the resource that I know are out there? Does that make sense? Like that's why it feels a little sassy. And I was like, I don't wanna put it on postpartum moms and be like, well,

Kori (14:07.209)
Bye.

Aligned Birth Podcast (14:12.311)
you didn't do enough, because that's what it sounds like. But I'm like, we're there. I don't know. I'm yelling over here. Like, I don't know. I don't know.

Kori (14:19.163)
I love this, I really do. Because you put it, it makes so much sense. it also, makes me wanna say that is kind of, I mean, you helped me click ideas together. But that really is what I think occupational therapy is trying to do in that space when

Aligned Birth Podcast (14:26.468)
Mm-hmm.

Aligned Birth Podcast (14:38.798)
Yay!

Kori (14:45.881)
you have a huge major life transition, you get an occupational therapist to help you transition into whatever you need. So when you leave the hospital, we need a discharge plan, you know, kind of, yes, moms taking ownership is one thing, but knowing what to do someone to point them in the right direction. I mean, that's gold. That makes so much sense.

Aligned Birth Podcast (15:10.754)
Hmm.

There was that little sheet that says, here's all the type of resources, whether the provider, whoever it is, actually has people to specifically refer to is, I guess, irregardless. Irregardless, I always go to my mean girls. But is, even just giving that check sheet of like, hey, you might wanna look, Google these words.

Kori (15:39.593)
Yes.

Aligned Birth Podcast (15:40.463)
Because if you're not speaking it to the moms, and here's the other thing too, if you're not speaking it to them, they may not know. Because I know when I was giving birth, good God, 15 years ago, I did not know the word doula. I'd never heard it at all. And I never heard it from a provider. And I did not hear it until I was in chiropractic school many, many moons later. So it's, yes, I like that. It's like...

Yeah, it's on the moms like, okay, maybe you do have this resource list you got to reach out. it is, I mean, we still have to use these words. You still have to say these things to moms. I like that. Now you make me feel less sassy.

Kori (16:18.845)
Yes. No, I mean, I do think and when you started, there needs to be like a shift in the narrative. Right. So just like postpartum depression, you know, I mean, we're not necessarily normalizing it, but it's out there. Does that make sense? Like shift the narrative to where, postpartum is so hard that where we expect

Aligned Birth Podcast (16:28.707)
Mm-hmm.

Aligned Birth Podcast (16:41.679)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kori (16:48.329)
I don't want to say, oh, I know it's so hard for you because we don't want it to be. Can we find what would make this a little easier? just overall shifting the narrative for moms.

Aligned Birth Podcast (16:53.955)
Mm-hmm.

Aligned Birth Podcast (17:06.479)
I I love it. And that post part in space. Okay, so that was, okay, that was a little sidebar, I know. I'm glad you brought that up. I know, but it had been on my mind too and I was like, I don't know how to say this, because it sounds really sassy. What is, touch just a little bit on, so if there was this checklist,

Kori (17:13.585)
It was so fun though.

Aligned Birth Podcast (17:32.193)
Now in my mind, I'm like creating one and I'm gonna go give it to local providers. This is what we need. This is what we're gonna do next, okay, Corey? There's this checklist. So for our discharge, if we're coming out of the hospital after a birth, yay, here's your baby and we'll see you again in six to eight weeks. But here's some things to look at. So we'll have obviously lactation consultants, IBCLCs, but, and I'm looking at postpartum chiropractic care, postpartum doulas.

Kori (17:35.785)
Yes.

Aligned Birth Podcast (18:00.053)
Now, if we were to put OT and PT on there, because we're looking at physical therapy, and I know even in physical therapy, you're going to have a differences and not everyone does pelvic floor. So there's even specialties in there. What would you highlight as the difference in that space from OT versus PT?

Kori (18:20.457)
So in that space, because there are OTs doing pelvic floor and when I typically, yes, physical conditions. they, as OTs and PTs are, we do have some overlap, but we, I am always as an OT looking at the end goal of function. And for me specifically,

I have some knowledge of pelvic floor and what could be considered normal or not. That's something I would refer if it was a bigger thing. Yes, yes. But a lot of times I would say PT is physical based. I would look at maybe the person in the environment, like we said.

Aligned Birth Podcast (18:58.113)
Exactly. That's why you have that knowledge to say, we need to refer out. Yeah, exactly.

Kori (19:18.341)
If they're having back pain, what are they doing throughout their day that might be causing that? Is there something we can move around setup wise? And I'm looking at how can we help with their, yes, let's go back to activities of daily living, dressing, bathing, feeding between mom and baby, of course. Now we have...

Aligned Birth Podcast (19:37.292)
Yeah.

Kori (19:45.45)
co-regulation with the baby, bonding, the mom's mental health, just the whole aspect of what the mom is going through in their physical body within her environment and what she's expected to do. All that's going on. How is she expected to return to work? What can we do to make it easier for her to return to work? Things like that.

Aligned Birth Podcast (20:02.489)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Aligned Birth Podcast (20:11.183)
Hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kori (20:15.235)
And it changes, of course, the stage you're in. So you can't, you know. Yeah.

Aligned Birth Podcast (20:21.231)
How did your occupational therapist lens help you in motherhood and in your post-partum and in your mother? I know you touched on it a little bit, but how, if you've got any other specifics, how did it help?

Kori (20:37.865)
Yes, so it's, I think it's funny because I didn't realize, I mean, you might have certain knowledge of things, but I was really looking at it as I was an OT, now I'm a mom. You know, I'm done with that. I'm a mom now, I'm gonna move on and find fun things to do with my kids because no, and it,

Aligned Birth Podcast (20:57.497)
Mmm.

Kori (21:06.985)
started creeping back up on me. I started kind of having this. was like, wow, I'm actually really glad I'm an OT because I see how I can connect the two. And like, I always just go through things with feeling if it feels good. I'm in if it doesn't, I'm out. So with OT, I just knew so I did it. Then with

Aligned Birth Podcast (21:10.063)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (21:36.714)
Yeah, with my kids, was like, you know, I just want to be with them. That's what I did. And then when it came together, I was like, oh, I'm so glad I listened to I clearly knew something that I wanted to be an OT and followed that. And it kind of worked out to lead me where I am and was able to blend it together. But at the time, I didn't

Aligned Birth Podcast (21:43.492)
Mm-hmm.

Aligned Birth Podcast (21:50.031)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (22:06.185)
I wasn't really aware of how being an OT was helping me through the time. You know, maybe now that I'm here, if I were to have another baby, maybe I would be a little more, you know...

Aligned Birth Podcast (22:17.921)
Even more aware. I mean, that's what happens. yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Kori (22:18.779)
cognizant of what, yeah. But through the time, I was just winging it, you know?

Aligned Birth Podcast (22:26.465)
Yeah, yeah. Well, and that's why I like when talking with those who support folks in that perinatal space, I'm always intrigued whether they were in the profession that they're in before they had kids or did it come about after and like how that shapes the lens through.

which they view their occupation now or whatnot. Or did it change it? And you were talking about like, this didn't feel aligned and making some changes there. So I'm always intrigued.

Kori (23:02.855)
And always looking at how can we bring meaning to them now that they're in this new space.

Aligned Birth Podcast (23:06.254)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You had mentioned kind of where you're at now with maternal occupational therapy. So we mentioned earlier your program that you've recreated called Let's Retreat. So tell me about that.

Kori (23:31.111)
Yes, this is so fun. I did let's retreat as moms need to find a retreat in the everyday. You know, we don't need to be waiting for Friday to feel good. We need to find.

like live with intention that we will enjoy this process because it's tough, but we can't wait till the end to be happy and everything's good. So I really just look at it as I want to get moms together to do something that is good for their mental health, that is fun and to

be there as a guide towards that transition period. So I will say in the fall, we are doing a postpartum support virtual program, which I'm really excited for. So yes, me and another OT are working on that just to be there for that support so that.

Aligned Birth Podcast (24:39.267)
That's fun.

Kori (24:49.415)
they don't necessarily have to come out to all of the activities because.

Aligned Birth Podcast (24:53.795)
Well, I think that's a good mix to have, like the in-person, but also the stuff at home where it's like, hey, it fits a little bit better for me to check in at home, you know, while I'm at home in this season. You know, I think that's good. Yeah.

Kori (25:05.339)
Yes, yes, I think so because as a new mom, didn't get out. It was COVID, but I didn't get out of the house for three months because I was terrified. so having someone to encourage, okay, come to these events is kind of helping in my eyes, help you come out. Let's do this stuff. my events tomorrow, actually, we have Bloom and Boogie.

Aligned Birth Podcast (25:14.446)
Yeah.

Aligned Birth Podcast (25:34.652)
Mm-hmm. I've seen these. Yes, I've seen your videos on it.

Kori (25:35.05)
making flower crowns and then we have a zoom beanie instructor and it's just for moms really when you walk into a room with let's retreat programs you're not like how old is she you know that awkward conversation you know that you're automatically I don't know there's something about it you're just connected and it's really fun

So we're having Bloomin Boogie and then I do a moments and milestones class that is also with another OT. So we are working together. So she kind of picks up on some of the pediatric stuff. And then my goal is to kind of gear her and make sure that half of that session we are focused on mom and what mom needs and doing something for mom in every session. And then I've done some other things just

like getting moms out on walks and going to the park, doing some activities just for moms, but really the overall focus is to embed some good things to help their energy, help them feel good in their body. And then if they say they need something extra or you kind of pick up on something, maybe, hey, here's some resources for you. So yeah, but really I try to...

Aligned Birth Podcast (26:57.699)
Yay, that's how I found you, yeah.

Kori (27:00.923)
Yeah, I try to keep it fun because that is, you know, that's really what it is.

Aligned Birth Podcast (27:03.256)
Yeah.

Well, I think, so that's how I found you. I take some yoga classes at, Atworth Parks and Rec was just like a local rec center. And when I was going to check like the times of it, I was like, what is this postpartum like support class thing? I was like, and why did I not know about this? And so went down the rabbit hole, found you, and I was like, I'm going to reach out. This is amazing. I love the, the differences.

Because like you said, you've got the one that's got this flare with a pediatric OT and then maybe the movement flare or, it keeps it different enough too to like, you want to go to all the different ones. Cause it's not like, it's not the same thing every time, which is kind of cool. So it hits on all of those different, you know, support pieces as well for, for mom.

Kori (27:51.657)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (27:56.796)
And we'll, yes, I love that you found us through Atworth. They have been amazing to work with. And we do some classes there, which their facility is wonderful, you've been. And then we do some stuff like at the parks, but then also other local businesses we'll support. We'll come and do a program there just to get moms together, help support the business. Yes.

Aligned Birth Podcast (28:02.892)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Aligned Birth Podcast (28:10.744)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (28:25.097)
Yeah, we did that. We've done placenders, different fun things.

Aligned Birth Podcast (28:32.258)
Yeah, do you, is it always or is your vision for it too that it's for a certain age of the child or are you looking at, know, this is gonna be a little bit older children or something or this is just for mom, no kids. Like, is there any of that thought?

Kori (28:58.287)
Yes, so right now I have kind of a broader range, different things for different people, but I'm kind of narrowing in on postpartum. So like tomorrow is zero to four. Our moments and milestones are, I think we said zero to like one. We kind of add extend a little bit just depending.

Because when moms want to come, you know, we want to include them. But then also looking at really that focusing on that initial period to try to help moms get out. And that's really where my focus is leaning. And then I just want to see where it goes. So I think as a mom, each stage comes with its own challenges. And it's, you know, I...

Aligned Birth Podcast (29:31.906)
Yeah, yeah.

Aligned Birth Podcast (29:49.454)
Yeah.

Kori (29:57.266)
I just, yeah, as we continue, I would love to serve more, but right now we're gonna kind of tone it towards the newer moms.

Aligned Birth Podcast (30:00.953)
Mm-hmm.

Aligned Birth Podcast (30:07.661)
Yeah, no, I like that. I was gonna say, I'm sure it's gonna ebb and flow as you ebb and flow.

Kori (30:14.941)
Yes, as we do.

Aligned Birth Podcast (30:16.683)
Yay! Let's see, anything that you wanted to mention that maybe we haven't talked about?

Kori (30:29.619)
Let's see.

Aligned Birth Podcast (30:36.815)
can't remember if, or I don't know if there was something, if you wanted to mention or even one of our sidebars that we went down. If there was anything else sticking out to you.

Kori (30:50.185)
There's.

maybe the takeaway seems to be like we want that if we want that movement, right? Of like, what did we say?

Like that there is support. just have to find it taking ownership. And I don't know in a lighter way that maybe we just kind of like, I don't know. Do we come back to that just or

Aligned Birth Podcast (31:10.84)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, exactly. Not as sassy.

Aligned Birth Podcast (31:23.425)
Yeah, now we can. What are your extra thoughts on it?

Kori (31:28.891)
as far as so.

Okay, another thing is so in Let's Retreat is like, I guess that's kind of in the next one, the different aspects of things you have to, I mean, you have to do as a mom, just like stay grounded and then be able to regulate yourself and regulate the kids. But, and I'm thinking from like a new fresh mom perspective of

Aligned Birth Podcast (31:52.985)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kori (32:01.575)
Like there's so much to do. think that was the next one starting small.

Aligned Birth Podcast (32:04.847)
That's well, and I think some aspect of it too is if you are that new mom and you're caring for baby and you know, you're just supposed to like rest like we're hearing all of that of like you're just supposed to do nothing. You're just supposed to rest. I mean a lot of the homework that I give my parents and new band. I'm like, I just want you to play with your baby. I don't really have any goals, know, we'll do certain, you know, pediatric things, but I'm still like, just want you to hang out with your kid like.

Kori (32:33.544)
Yes.

Aligned Birth Podcast (32:33.976)
There's really no goals. I know it can feel overwhelming in the aspect of reaching out to those resources. And it's like, my gosh, well, I could do this and this and this this and this. And then there's also the aspect of rest. So it's, but.

Kori (32:46.077)
Yes.

Kori (32:56.36)
Right.

Aligned Birth Podcast (32:57.953)
I guess too it's the defining rest and we've done an episode on that too. did like there's seven different types of rest. it rest doesn't always mean taking a nap. know, like that's, think that's where we go. But you know, it could be restful when you do go to an event and bring your baby and do a Zumbini class, you know, like that can be a type of rest. So it's like, I almost don't want moms to be like overwhelmed in the resources, you know.

Kori (33:06.334)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (33:18.611)
So that you

Kori (33:26.437)
Yes, that is like why with the second, was like, do we stick with three things? But really, it's just I really do, I guess maybe touch on like, for one, I'm always really impressed with moms. They come out, you know, it's a lot to come out, but I think, well, the goal is, and when they do leave, they feel better.

Aligned Birth Podcast (33:34.638)
Yeah.

Kori (33:55.998)
You know, you feel glad you came. You enjoyed it. Yes. Yes. There you go. You filled your cup. Yes. So, you know, yeah, you feel like there's support. So, yes, it seems like, I don't know, something. And I'm also, I'm not very like, you need this. You need that. You need this. But it's more of people, you know, as you figure out.

Aligned Birth Podcast (33:56.119)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You feel energized or like you filled your cup. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You're not drained. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't leave and you're like, my God. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Kori (34:23.944)
Like, hey, just so you know, this is available, you know?

Aligned Birth Podcast (34:27.311)
There's definitely differences, especially what I see with patients in that there's some people that want, give me all the things, give me all the resources, and they may not do anything with it, but they like have this giant list. And there's other people where I know where I'm like, if I tell them three things, they're going to like, they're going to lose their mind. So there's also the the picking and choosing of like, hey, maybe this is one little support thing that you can do, you know? And yeah.

Kori (34:35.551)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (34:46.056)
Yes.

Kori (34:51.273)
Yes.

Yeah, exactly.

Aligned Birth Podcast (34:55.823)
So I know our plan for, I don't remember if I said this at the beginning, because we're gonna do two episodes. So you have to stay tuned because we're gonna do another one with like practical tips on like habits to incorporate into motherhood to help change motherhood for the better for you. So I know we'll probably dive a little bit more into.

the nuances of that in our next episode. Yay. That was a good little segue. Thanks for joining me today. I'm really excited. I'm glad to have you on the show. This episode is probably gonna come out first and then like I said, we're gonna do another one with you. So again, thanks for joining me today, Corey.

Kori (35:26.282)
Mm-hmm.

Kori (35:30.152)
Wonderful.

Kori (35:49.994)
Thank you.