Eye On Horror
Eye On Horror
Shifting Gears with M3GAN 2.0
This week, inspired by M3GAN 2.0, the boys take a look at movie franchise that jumped genres in their sequels. From Terminator and Texas Chainsaw Massacre to Magic Mike and Munchies, the boys talk about their favorite genre bending sequels.
But before the main topic, the boys review M3GAN 2.0, Jurassic World: Rebirth, K-Pop Demon Hunters, and Trainwreck: Poop Cruise. Some of the boys catch up on titles they missed, such as The Woman in the Yard, Predator Killer of Killers, 28 Years Later, Final Destination: Bloodlines, The Ugly Stepsister, and Correia was in need for some Betty Gilpin reactions, so he revisits The Hunt 5 years later. ITS ALL NEW ON EYE ON HORROR!
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Welcome to Eye On Horror, the official podcast of ihorroror.com this is episode 148 otherwise known as season eight. Episode Eight. That's a lot of eights. I am your host, James, Jay Edwards, and with me, as always, is your other host, Jacob Davison, how you doing? Jacob,
Jacob Davidson:doing good. Just tired. It's early. Also
James Jay Edwards:with us, as always, is your other other host, Jon. Correia, how are you doing? Correia, I
Jonathan Correia:do, yeah, very awake, yeah, very, very, definitely did not just chug like quarter of a bang can that was in my fridge from last night.
James Jay Edwards:I was gonna say we, we've been chatting a little bit before we hit record, and you've been pounding that bang.
Jonathan Correia:There was, like, there was like, a quarter of that can. It was so cold and so flat, but wide awake now, baby, nice. So what's
James Jay Edwards:been going on? The big release this week, and it came out last night, but it will have come out the weekend before this post. We're recording on the third So, yeah, moment of silence for all the people who this is their last day having 10 fingers. Okay, the big release this weekend is Jurassic World: Rebirth. Have you guys seen Jurassic World: Rebirth?
Jacob Davidson:I did. I went to a special pre screening. You know, one of those screen on scene. You don't know what you're going to see. Oh, yeah, because of AMC.
James Jay Edwards:Oh, cool. I saw our presser of it was Monday, yeah, Monday night. And they, it's a little weird that you can kind of tell when they because it opened Wednesday night and they screened it for press Monday night. It's always a little weird when they do it that last minute. What do you
think of Jurassic World:Rebirth?
Jacob Davidson:I dug it, you know, it, you know, kind of simplified things and that making it kind of a Fetch Quest movie, because it's like these, the scientists and these mercenaries have to go to like an R and D island of the original Jurassic Park, and they have to get blood samples from a big sea dinosaur, a big land dinosaur and a big air dinosaur so that they can make a heart medication that's worth billions. Yeah,
James Jay Edwards:that's the thing is they, they discovered that these dinosaurs, it exists in the universe where dinosaurs coexist with humans still, but they've also determined that dinosaurs only can live near the equator because of the climate, and they figured out that dinosaurs don't get heart disease. So they're like, Oh, cool. If we can study why, then, you know this, some big pharmaceutical company wants to, you know, rook the public with this vaccine or cure for heart disease. So, yeah, they have to go and get these tissue and blood samples.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, no, it has some really good sequences, like, especially if you're an aqua horror fan, there's a lot of good scenes with the mosasaurs and spinosaurs.
James Jay Edwards:Lots of Jaws influenced on those scenes, very
Jacob Davidson:Spielbergian, which, you know, it only makes sense considering the franchise, and also being directed by Gareth Edwards, who, I think, said, you know, Spielberg was one of his favorite directors. But also like the scene where there, there's a scene where a bunch of characters on a raft going downstream, and there's a T Rex going after them, and like a person sitting next to me actually screamed, oh no, when the T Rex was getting at them
James Jay Edwards:that scene, I couldn't help but sing to myself, Marshall will and Holly, it was totally Land of the Lost.
Jacob Davidson:The funny thing is, though, is that that apparently was adapted from the original Michael criden novel, like there was a scene in the novel that never made the original adaptation, where the the team is trying to get down the river by raft and T rex is after them. So it is interesting that they kind of drew on the original material for this late, late sequel. Yeah,
James Jay Edwards:here's, here's my deal with Jurassic World rebirth. I think it needed more dinosaurs, because
Jonathan Correia:that's always my critique. Well, that every movie, but,
James Jay Edwards:you know, I said the same thing about Here, that Tom Hanks Robin Wright movie, because it kind of starts out with dinosaurs, and then it goes. But anyway, the people in Rebirth, I didn't care about at all, at all. I wanted the dinosaurs to eat them, because you've got this mercenary team that's after this, you know, these tissue and blood samples. But then also you got this family that was sick. Feeling across the Atlantic that they had to rescue. So you've got all of these people, and none of them are really you don't care about any of them. They try to make you care about them because they have like, conversations between, you know, like Scarlett Johansson and the others, where, you know, they talk about, oh, you know this friend died, or, you know, this guy's separating from his wife and in a custody battle. You know, they do all these things to try to make you care about the people, but they don't work. And all you want to do is see the dinosaurs ravage these people, because the dinosaur scenes are pretty awesome. And the thing is that they're this island was set up as, like Jacob said, R and D. This island was set up because people at the park got tired of seeing the same regular dinosaurs, so they're cross breeding. They're genetically engineering new dinosaurs. And so, of course, you've got velociraptors, you've got the T Rex, you've got, you know, regular dinosaurs, but then you've got these mutant ones that you don't that that you've never seen before. And, yeah, I just wanted more dinosaurs. I wanted more people dying.
Jacob Davidson:Specifically, I wanted more mutant dinosaurs because that was kind of the big sell to me, that this was going to have, like, the weird mutant dinosaurs that never made it to the main park, and we got a couple toward the end. But, you know, I kind of wish that they had been more prominent.
Jonathan Correia:I just love to think of a world where people are so spoiled by the existence of dinosaurs living amongst humans that they're bored like,
Jacob Davidson:Oh, I do love that aspect.
Jonathan Correia:Talk about first world problems, cheese,
Jacob Davidson:I know, like, there's this, there's this great opening scene where it's in New York and, like, there's an escaped Brontosaurus that's collapsed on the highway. Everybody's like, oh, the Brontosaurus is blocking traffic.
Jonathan Correia:I'm late for work. Again. Totally,
James Jay Edwards:totally. Everybody's pissed off because there's a traffic jam, because this Brontosaurus passed out in the middle, yeah. And everybody's like, ho hum, okay,
Jonathan Correia:Jesus. I really, I guess I really need to watch dominion, because I haven't seen, I didn't watch the last Jurassic World movie. And it sounds like there's a big jump between the mansion and in the second world movie. And this,
James Jay Edwards:you don't really need that's the other thing. Rebirth is it's kind of like a reset of it. You don't, I mean, you need to know the concept that, okay, dinosaurs now coexist with people, but you don't really need to know a lot about the other Jurassic Park or world movies. I mean, it's, it's kind of a hard reset. They mentioned Jon Hammond, you know, once or twice. But you don't really need to know, you don't need to have seen the other movies recently to actually get it.
Jacob Davidson:It's pretty standalone,
James Jay Edwards:yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's the word I was looking for good, nice job. So yeah, it, I mean, I was okay with it. I it's about, I think it's two hours and 14 minutes. They could have shaved 20 minutes off by just turning the people into complete dinosaur fodder. You know, like, I it didn't succeed. It at humanizing the people the dinosaurs were the heroes. To me, yeah,
Jacob Davidson:I thought the arc with the family was pretty compelling. But, yeah, no, I Yeah, no. Like, I like the stuff of the family, but, and yeah, like the little girl finding the baby dinosaur, which felt very Spielberg, but yeah, the mercenary stuff didn't quite hit for me. So yeah, I'm kind of with you on that. The
James Jay Edwards:family's arc is kind of interesting, because first, there's this lazy boy from the boyfriend of the oldest daughter, who's just like, you think he's a total prick, but then he kind of redeems himself in a few ways. And you're like, Okay, this guy's not all bad. So, yeah, the family arc was a little more effective to me than the mercenaries. But yeah, you know, it's, you know, it's a Jurassic Park movie. I
Jonathan Correia:had fun. I finally caught up on a couple of titles that are in theaters finally watched 28 Years Later, which was not expecting half of that. It was great like that was, that was so Danny Boyle, just the editing, the the camera work, I love that he they him and Alex Garland and everybody took the opportunity to not just deliver a oh, what would it look like zombies? Like they were having a blast with just like the editing and camera sequencing. I got very concerned early on that Jody Cormier was going to stay in that bed the whole movie, which would have been a waste. Granted, while she was in the bed, she screamed cunt like eight times. So like, I was like, Maybe I'm okay with this. Maybe I'm okay with her saying the good but I love Jody Cormier so much. I mean The Last duel and Killing Eve. I mean fan for life.
James Jay Edwards:Did you see the bike riders?
Jonathan Correia:You know, it's funny. You say. That in the previous episode that it set up for a rad sequel. But if anything, that ending was giving Anna and the Apocalypse soldiers of war. So
James Jay Edwards:I mean the bike riders, as in the movie The Bike Riders that. Jody Comer is in,
Jonathan Correia:Oh, I thought you were talking about the bit for the last episode. No, I haven't seen Bike Riders yet.
James Jay Edwards:No, but I was gonna ask you, what do you think of that ending? Where, where, like, I mean, do you see what I mean, where they're gonna take you to some really exploitive places, which is kind of awesome.
Jonathan Correia:No, I loved it. What was, what was his name? Jimmy? Jimmy? Yeah, when Jimmy shows up, that's total like in Anna and the apocalypse, when they start the one song about killing zombies in that zombie movie. I like, I just started humming it because I'm like, they're giving, they're giving it.
James Jay Edwards:Also, it's so great because the kid's there and he goes, you're almost out of error. Arrows, you mind if we take this one?
Jacob Davidson:Also, I love the book ending of the Teletubbies.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, that was, that was great. I will say that was probably not my biggest critique. But like, biggest frustration is, and, like, I get it because they're, you know, the characters only use arrows, like, for the entire thing, up until Jimmy, the father and son, when they're out there. And I get it because, you know, they're trying to stay away from the rage virus, like all that stuff. But like, no one figured out how to use a blunt object at all on that fucking island like that was very frustrating, especially since they kept getting in that situation where it's like, you're not even taking out the arrows after you're using them, you're just leaving them. Like,
James Jay Edwards:yeah, but you gotta blunt objects splatter. I mean, that's,
Jacob Davidson:that's the and the arrows would be infected with blood.
James Jay Edwards:Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I get why you need to avoid all contact with bodily fluids. So,
Jonathan Correia:yeah, I get it. But also, there was just that of just, like, just hit him with a stick, just hit him with a stick, but I get it, we also watched Final Destination Bloodlines. That was a fun double feature of doing those two. I got to say, Final Destination Bloodlines was probably we've had a really good run of of having decent audiences at AMCs, and that one was one of the fucking worst, I mean, sitting right next to a couple who had to talk and react to literally every I'm talking, like opening scene, like when she's like, Oh, I'm just really happy to be here with you, she'd go, oh
Jacob Davidson:no. Like,
James Jay Edwards:the Did I just see that?
Jonathan Correia:anytime it was just like, what? And then, like, the boyfriend or husband, just every, anytime something happened, he like, Oh, wow. He threw that penny. Oh yeah, cuz, because it's just like, we know, we just saw it, and she just react. We heard her react to it very loudly. So like, but anyways, that's when I put in my my Pixel buds. Noise cancelation ear bud on this side that they are on, and it helps. But other than that, what a blast. That was a really fun movie. There was there were some definite some of those acting choices were definitely choices with some of the people. But I had so much fun with it. I love that they played with the audience and expectations a lot. There was a lot of things where it was like, Oh, the sequence is happening, so that means that that's going to be incorporated. It kind of faked you out, or we're having fun with, like, just even the marketing, because one of the first things they did was show the tattoo parlor scene, and it was just like, oh, you released a whole kill scene and then fake out it wasn't a kill scene, and it just left me so confused. I Yeah, it was. It was definitely a lot of fun. I think it's, you know, top three Final Destination movies. My
Jacob Davidson:And incorporating the music of Kelly Clarkson? Oh yeah.
Jonathan Correia:No, it was. It was a blast. And, yeah, that made for a great double feature. The Sky
Jacob Davidson:needle is probably not sure if my number one, but definitely top premonition def sequences.
James Jay Edwards:Speaking of double feature revisits, or finally catching up to, I caught up to a couple things we talked about. Last episode I watched Predator Killer of Killers. Yeah, it went to Hulu. Oh, my God. What a blast. So much fun. And it's so weird because it's animated, but the stunt work, it's choreography, exactly. The fight choreography in this animated movie was great, but, oh yeah, that was a lot of
Jonathan Correia:fun. They definitely knew like we're doing animated predators, so we got to take advantage of it. So there are kills in that that could that that would not be able to pull off. In, in live action. And they're because they could so
Jacob Davidson:many decapitations,
James Jay Edwards:even the people fighting the people, like, like the Viking scene, or the the ninja versus Samurai, though, you know, you're like, this is, you know, I think one of you said that it was a company that does almost like animated storyboarding for regular movie and and that's what it felt like. I'm like, I can totally see them doing this, and then having a stunt choreographer go, Okay, we'll get our actors to do that. But, yeah, it that was cool. But also, I caught up with on your recommendation, Correia The Ugly Stepsister, yeah. And, oh my gosh, you first of all the scene where you were talking about Opera, that was the scene that got me, you know, and, and, and I was like, kind of squirming, and I'm like, oh, but then when it got to the scene you talked about with the tapeworm, and then when I got to that, I'm like, because first I was like, Oh, this has to be the scene that really got him. And then it got to the tapeworm woman. I'm like, Nope, this is the scene, yeah,
Jacob Davidson:yeah, yeah. That'll make you squirm.
James Jay Edwards:Yeah. That movie something else.
Jonathan Correia:Thank you to The Ugly Stepsister for letting me realize that you could take cocaine to the eyeballs and at work, I didn't realize that that, that that in the in the opera scene, that that was kind of more of a squeamishness than, than the than the sewing, almost dropping hints on what happened, but like, yeah, it's, it's, it was loved. Ugly Stepsister that I might have to that might turn into my new Oh, hey, what do we want to watch? Jay, I don't know. We want to watch something grows.
Jacob Davidson:Yeah, you see, now that's how you do a public domain fairy tale horror movie, yo, yeah,
Jonathan Correia:yeah. We need to go back to the grim fairy tales more often and show it's pretty close to, like, they didn't go that stray that far from the original material, and, like, the fucked upness. That's what's beautiful about it. What's
James Jay Edwards:fucked up about it, I mean, it, what makes it fucked up is it's from a different point of view. It's, you know, it's, it's the stepsister's point of view on it. So, yeah, I mean, because they're trying to compete with the natural beauty of Cinderella,
Jonathan Correia:and again, they didn't make anyone really an antagonist, nor a pro tag, you know, like it was, it was all just like, everyone had pretty decent motivation for what they do under circumstances and what they were going through. I like, I like, I understood and like, no one was villainized, really, and I liked how they did incorporate the kind of more magical aspects of Cinderella, what with the midnight and showing up to the ball, and how does no one recognize her? And she's got a little like, mask thing? That was great. I yeah, they answered a lot of questions I didn't know I had of like, how were you going to address this?
Jacob Davidson:Let's see, in terms of new stuff, on my end, not quite horror, but I did watch that new animated movie, KPop Demon Hunters. And boy, did it at a lot of demons and k pop. So it's not just a clever name, yeah, yeah, no. It was a lot of fun. It definitely had a lot of influence from, like, kind of magical girl anime, like Sailor Moon. And also, yeah, k pop, and it has an amazing soundtrack. Like, I don't really listen to k pop so much, but it really hooked me. It's very catchy, and much like Predator hunter of hunters, it has a lot of really cool fight choreography, because it's basically about this k pop trio who are secretly demon hunters in South Korea, and they fight they perform concerts by night, and fight demons by day, that type of thing. And it's just really funny to me, because, like, their main enemy in the movie is, like the demons decide to strike back by like, a few of them form a demon boy band, which just kind of makes me think about back in the 90s when, you know, like the Evangelicals would say that NSYNC and Backstreet Boys were the tools of the devil. So it's like that, yeah, it says kind of like that, because, like, the demon boy band is like, making a plan to, like, make their fan base stronger so they can steal the souls of their fans. And, yeah, knows it was a lot of fun. I really dug it.
James Jay Edwards:A demon boy band that makes me think of the Pick of Destiny on the devil. I love metal. Yeah, it
Jacob Davidson:turns out heavy metal wasn't demonic. It was boy bands. It was boy bands, which was the devil's music. Check this riff. It's fucking tasty.
Jonathan Correia:I'll never forget the day when I was watching pick a destiny, and my mom came in, and she came in right at the part where they go fuck, and the devil goes, Yes, you are fucked, and my talk, you will suck. And she said, What are you watching? And I'm like, tenacious. D, yeah,
Jacob Davidson:shit. Who? Who was the devil in that of Dave Grohl? Dave Grohl, right? Yeah, yeah. No, they got Dave girl to say a lot of lewd shit, which is great, yeah. But yeah. K Pop, demon hunters, I recommended, speaking
James Jay Edwards:of lewd shit, I tell you, I'm, I'm a little addicted to these Train Wreck documentaries on Netflix. The new one is Poop Cruise. Okay, you probably remember the news story of this. It was a cruise ship that was sailing between Mexico and the it was sailing across the Gulf of Mexico. Yes, the Gulf of Mexico deal with it. And there was a fire in the engine room, and so it lost power. And when it loses power, nothing can can be the toilets don't even flush, but like, there's no air conditioning, there's, you know, everything is out on the ship. So these poor people, you know, they're living in filth. They're living in Sue and this, they talk to passengers, they talk to the captain, they talk to one of the chefs and and the captain thinks that, you know, they're gonna solve it. They're like, Okay, well, you know, if you have to go number one, just pee in the shower. No problem. If you have to go number two, we're gonna just, we're gonna distribute these red biohazard bags go in there. And they talked about the pastors he goes, my goal became to not use one of the red packs. But at then the winds start blowing. So they're, they're powerless. So the wind started blowing, so they're, they sent out tug boats to pull them into port, in somewhere, in like Alabama or something. And the winds blew, so they had to pull them back to Mexico. So basically, it turned into, instead of their them being out there for two days, they were out there for like, six so and, and this one poor guy's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna have to use the red bags.
Jonathan Correia:There's not enough red bags for six days. But
James Jay Edwards:then also they were talking about, um, because the refrigeration was down. They opened the bars. It's like, no. That is the dumbest thing to do when you don't have toilets. And then, of course, of course, the showers start backing up because people are peeing in them, and so the decks are flooding with just sewage and food. Oh, my god, yeah, it's, Oh, terrible, terrible. And
Jacob Davidson:this is why I refuse to take a
Jonathan Correia:cruise. I didn't even need this to be a reason to not take a cruise. I have, I have been very anti cruise for some time. I've been on cruises and had fun or whatnot, but, like, as an adult, I'm like, I feel like there's a better use of my money than a cruise.
James Jay Edwards:You know, that's, I'm not necessarily anti cruise, but I just don't have the money, you know, I, I would love to take one of those. What? What do they call the one of the, the cruises where, like, all the 80s heavy metal bands play, oh, they call it
Jonathan Correia:the, I, my sister works on the on it. It's, like, the tons of metal cruise or something? Yeah,
James Jay Edwards:yeah. I don't remember what they're called, but those ones when I always see on social media, you know, they, I mean, they have bands that I love on these cruises, and that would probably be fun. But again, you know, who's got that kind of money to use on a cruise?
Jonathan Correia:I'll admit, you know, I've seen advertisements for, like, a Star Trek themed cruise, and I'm like, you know, like something where it's like, if everyone on the ship is, like, on the same level for, like, a love for something, but like, just a random cruise with a bunch of Rando tourists, like,
Jacob Davidson:yeah, yeah, no, it needs a stick, yeah.
James Jay Edwards:Have either you guys see that we're a little late to this party, or at least I am. We guys, seen The Woman in the Yard? Yes,
Jonathan Correia:I saw it in theaters.
James Jay Edwards:Oh, okay, I saw it because it is now on. I don't know. One of the things I do Peacock, maybe it's on one of the, yeah, it's on one of the things I subscribed. I subscribe to all of those. What do you think of The Woman in the Yard?
Jonathan Correia:I liked a lot of it. I think
James Jay Edwards:it sounds like we're on the same page. I was gonna say it didn't completely work for me, but when it did work, it worked flawless. I love the spooky stuff and all that. But narratively, there are some parts that didn't quite click, but the spooky stuff was super effective for me.
Jonathan Correia:I think it was for me, at least a victim of advertising, where the advertising may set up an expectation or, of like, what type of movie it is that it wasn't similar to another movie we'll discuss a little bit later. And and so, like I was kind of going in thinking it was going to be more of like a Southern Gothic Candy Man type deal, and and it wasn't. And I think it took me a bit to get over that. And then once I did get over it, I loved it, like I loved what was going on. Because by that point. In the movie, it's like, oh, this is what's happening. These are the rules. This is what's okay. I get it now, and like, I was able to, like, fully get into it. But I think just like, having that, like, kind of like bit in the middle where I'm like, Wait, is this not what I was what I was going in for, it did ruin it. But it was definitely, like a it was a distraction for me. But I still really liked, I thought, what a lot of what they did, especially like that third act, I thought was really well done. It was just kind of like that, like, middle ground of like, going from like this great opening, of like, what's happening, to like that third act, it's really solid. And the performances I really enjoyed, like, they were really good. There's
James Jay Edwards:a lot of what's happening in that movie. I mean, it is fun because it lets you figure things out for yourself. You know, you have to do a lot of thinking as a viewer, which is cool. You know, they don't just spoon feed stuff to you. So yeah. But yeah, it is, uh, yeah, I like, like, I said it narratively, it didn't completely work for me, um, but atmospherically, and just the overall vibe of it totally did. And when you know it, I didn't see it in the theater, but I imagine there would have been some good scares in a theater, because some of it was just so creepy that I was like, God, if I wasn't just sitting here on my couch with my dogs. This would probably raise some, you know, raise some goose bumps.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah, it's definitely one that I would like to revisit, you know, because sometimes you go into movies with an expectation, and that kind of hinders your experience a bit. And so it takes me, like, a second or a second viewing to kind of like, really appreciate what it is. In fact, actually, I did that recently with The Hunt. Do you guys remember that movie?
James Jay Edwards:Yeah, I felt so bad for Craig Zobel with The Hunt, because it got delayed because of COVID, and then it got delayed because,
Jacob Davidson:or it got delayed because it got delayed because of Trump,
James Jay Edwards:yeah, yeah, it got delayed, yeah, that's, that's what it was like,
Jacob Davidson:it came out because it came out, and then COVID hit, like, right around the time
James Jay Edwards:again, that's what is. It got it got delayed because people were afraid that maggots were going to shoot up the theaters. Yeah? And then, and then it came out. Yeah, you're right. It came out right as COVID was hitting. So, yeah, I felt bad for that, but yeah,
Jonathan Correia:which I because I just, it was just one of those days where I was like, I need a little bit of a comfort. And so I need to see Betty Gilpin just give the greatest reactions, because she's such a great character actor, like, just so good. And in this movie, I think, I don't know what direction she was given, but I feel like she was just given, like, go for it. Just go for it, because she did. And like, there's no moment in that movie where she doesn't give the absolute best reaction to what's happening and and it's, she's almost like a Bugs Bunny type character in it. It's, it's, it's, she's so good in that movie. And I don't know if that movie would have worked without her, but if you go on Letterboxd and other any in the reviews of the movie at the time, everyone was is kind of going, what's the politics of this movie? What's the politics of this movie? Because you have ultra rich Neo liberals hunting poor right wing folks for sport, which no one looks good. It critiques both sides on that politically. And ultimately, I don't think the movie was trying to beat what is is political. I think it's a, it's a it's about class. It's about classism. And ultimately, I mean, isn't that what all man hunting people movies are about is about class? Is about when you get to the point where you're so rich that you can just hunt people and essentially not an operate like you, like, there's no consequences for it. Like, that's what it comes down to. So I definitely walked away in revisiting it five years later with a with a greater appreciation for the movie. It's still really funny. I do love the fake outs. Like, in the very beginning, you have Emma Roberts and the cameras focusing on her. And then, yeah, boom. She's like, first get taken out unceremoniously, and then you follow another person, and it's like, Oh, is there gonna be a love story here? And then they're taking out unceremoniously. And then you're like, oh,
Jacob Davidson:Baron Holt just kind of takes the lead for a minute there. Yeah, yeah. And
Jonathan Correia:then, oh, what's his what's his face? Who plays Sal Saperstein in in The Studio.
Jacob Davidson:That's his name. Ike Baron holds, oh
Jonathan Correia:yes, i Yeah. I Baron holds, I mean, it definitely had more fun because of the studio and going. Sal Saperstein, thank you. Thank you. Sal Saperstein, yeah, and the fake outs, but yeah, definitely had a lot more fun with it than I did. You know, five years
Jacob Davidson:ago, oh man. Also, I was at the pre screening at the Egyptian theater with the directors there. And, yeah, no, again, it's just this is kind of unlocked the memory for me, because, as a because, like, this was just as COVID was about to happen. So like, they were throwing toilet paper into the audiences.
Jonathan Correia:What a time, what a time. Oh
Jacob Davidson:boy, what a time. Yeah.
James Jay Edwards:Well, the other thing that has come out this week that is going to kind of transition us into our topic is Megan 2.0 or my three gun 2.0 have we all seen this? Oh, yeah, I have it. What do you guys think? I thought
Jacob Davidson:it was pretty good. I mean, you know, definitely taking a swing, changing it from, you know, the kind of like, in my review, I said, you know, they went from Child's Play to Ghost in the Shell, because, yeah, it's uh, horror to action. Uh, cyber, like more of a cyberpunk edge this time around. Um, yeah, no, I thought it was an interesting way to go about it. Uh, still, plenty of people dying, of course. And you know, you got M3GAN front, front and center and, um, yeah, if I was all right,
James Jay Edwards:my review, I said that it went from Terminator to Terminator 2, because not only did it kind of go from horror to more of like an action kind of a thing, but also you got the villain from the first movie coming back as The hero of the second, you know, to save the humans. So there it works on a couple ways in that, but yeah, it Megan. Here's the funny thing. This is a little side note my screening of of M3GAN 2.0 they evacuated the theater in the middle of it. We it was right in the middle of it, and they came into the theater and they said, you know, we have an incident. We have to evacuate. And, you know, so. And I was actually really impressed. It was an AMC, and with both, I was impressed with both the theater workers and the customers, because there were 18 screens in this theater, and everybody was super orderly, you know, no push and shoving, trampling or anything. Everybody just evacuated, and the fire department showed up, and I never did find out why. But the funny thing is, it was right about when it was a little bit after, but you realize that Amelia, the evil Megan, the evil AI, is taking over the clouds, so she's able to shut down different parts of the country, and then all of a sudden we had to evacuate theater. So I thought it was an ARG gone crazy, but and they invited us back the next night to screen, although then I had to watch the first half again. And honestly, M3GAN 2.0 I wasn't a big fan of as a movie. I think it played a little too fast and loose with with genre, but we'll get we'll get into that. I
Jonathan Correia:mean, you guys have heard me the last few months running around, going guys, they made a cunty t2 I was very excited, and I had a lot of fun in the screening. And I think I walked out not remembering a whole lot. There's a lot of exposition happening, of explaining, and I do think that it gets a little bogged down with what it's trying to say about AI. Because I think at the end of the day, it was trying to say something about AI, but not say something about AI. It was, it was very weird messaging, which is weird because they were expositioning a lot about AI regulation and stuff.
James Jay Edwards:It's funny because I explained to someone, when I was explaining to them when the when the theater is evacuated, I said it was right when Megan was doing her Bond villain speech, which is, which is what she's explaining to Gemma and Katie, that she's always been there watching over them, and it is like a Bond villain speech. So it's funny, you say that there's a lot of exposition, because there totally is, and the exposition is all spoken like that too. No. So, yeah,
Jonathan Correia:I love the action. I love that the main villain at the end goes full Zuckerberg and how he carries himself, and everything that was that was great. There was a lot of stuff I liked in it. I do think it's a victim of two things. I think it's, it's advertising.
Jacob Davidson:The marketing was a problem.
Jonathan Correia:The marketing made it seem like and that's not to say that Megan isn't cunty and that there wasn't cunty moments in the movie, but it wasn't that level of camp the whole movie. There were moments of it. And I do think that the advertising was trying to lean into that harder, and they used a lot of scenes that weren't in the movie with it, not not calling false advertising. But I did find that a little interesting, that there were, like, lines of dialog or scenes that were in the trailer that weren't in the movie. And it, I think it's also, I think it hindered itself in trying to be too broad appeal, because, like. You could tell they were trying to go for that camp at moments, but then they would quickly, like, veer away from it. And, you know, the P, also, PG 13 rating with a horror movie like that, kind of feels like, already they're trying to go more appeal. So I think it was just kind of like a level of, like, we don't know how hard to go on things with that. That means I thought it was still pretty solid. I just think it was quite long for what it for what it was. And I loved Amelia, though I thought she was great. She was serving the entire time. How
James Jay Edwards:long did it take you to realize that wasn't Elizabeth Olsen
Jonathan Correia:pretty quickly, because she was in Ahsoka,
James Jay Edwards:yeah, but no, it was funny because we were the whole time, like when we were discussing it during the evacuation, before we realized that they weren't going to let us back in. We were like, Oh, was that? Was it? Was it? And then we finally looked up on IMDb. We're like, no, that's not but even the actress looks like Elizabeth, yeah, my issue with Amelia is she was a little too convincing as a as as a humanoid. She was a little bit of that Iris from Companion, oh, she with Megan. There's a little bit of that uncanny valley, because it still looks like a doll that acts like, you know, like a human, but Amelia literally would pass for a human. So it, it kind of takes the creep factor out, you know, you've just got a heartless killer, you know. And
Jonathan Correia:that came out in the performance, I think the uncanniness, because there were times where she was doing stuff like when Jeremy Clement was trying to woo her woo he's wooing her for the flight of the Concords reference, but there was like, some really weird, uncanny, just like behavior with like the voice she was using, or when he's When he's when she's trying to scan his eyes while she's kissing, but she's giving nothing
James Jay Edwards:like, and her eyes are open, waiting for him to open
Jonathan Correia:his eyes and like, her mouth, not just her entire face, just stiff, just wide eyed while he's, like, making out on her eyes. It's creepy. And, like I said, there's a lot of really fun moments. I just think there's, there was just like, a lot of like, I also think it suffered from making Amelia and Megan too powerful, like, too strong, like, all of a sudden it's like, Wait, they're tapping into everything. Wait, they could do that like it. They went from like being kind of like a local problem to suddenly, like in absolute god mode while trying to take on ai, ai God, it's, it was just like, I think they might have made him a bit too powerful, which, you know, I still, I'd still like to see a 3.0
James Jay Edwards:that comes with the power of of AI itself. Because, you know, like, like, he was demonstrating, you know, he, he's, at one point, the germane client Clement character, just to show off, he turns off all the lights in the city, and then, oops, and then he turns him back on, because he can, you know, with his cloud server, yeah. So, I think that part that is kind of like, oh, how much power does, how much power is in the cloud, you know? So,
Jacob Davidson:yeah, there was a lot of kind of shotgun blast tech industry criticism and satire, kind of throughout,
James Jay Edwards:which is going to take us on to our topic, which is movies that have switched genre for the sequel and, you know, like M3GAN 2.0 I think the obvious one I'm going to bring up first, and this is a good example of it, is Alien, alien. The first one is basically a horror slasher movie. And all of the ones after that, except maybe Prometheus, but all of them became like action movies. Um, so that's that. That's kind of the blueprint for what we've got here. What other ones can you guys think of? We already kind of mentioned Terminator, which is kind of the same deal. The first one's kind of a slasher. And then T2 became just science fiction, Action. What else we got?
Jonathan Correia:Oh, the first Terminator was definitely gritty. 880s LA, slasher, low budget to suddenly this, you know, mega budget action extravaganza. That was a that was a huge shift.
Jacob Davidson:It was especially because at that time, you know, just it was so mind blowing that Arnold, who was the bad guy in the original Terminator, shows up, and this time he's the good guy.
Jonathan Correia:It's such a great scene, yeah,
Jacob Davidson:but in terms of genre shift stuffs, the example that I go to immediately would be Army of Darkness the second Evil Dead sequel. Because you know, first the Evil Dead, which is a bloody gory and over the top cabin the woods, supernatural possession movie, then you got Evil Dead 2 which gets a little wackier. Or slapstick, and with still ample gore and Army of Darkness is straight up the swords and sandals fantasy action adventure movie. It's a Ash dropped into Jason and The Argonauts, like the skeletons were even inspired by
Jonathan Correia:that absolutely. I mean, I mean, it's not horror, but my brain wants to jump to Magic Mike XXL, because, because you go from like a very serious drama to a buddy road movie, the second one, and then I don't know what the fuck happened with the third one, but we don't talk about my disappointment with that, but it to stay within genre. I mean, definitely, you know, I would, I would mention Gremlins to the new batch, the new batch, and it's not as hard of a of a genre shift. The first one is definitely like a Christmas horror, kind of fantasy, you know, with with with a bunch of comedy in it. But the second one goes full Looney Tunes cartoon over the top, it is the definition of going bigger with your sequel on like every level with it, and making fun of the first film and and doing a slight shift to genre, and really just taking what made the first movie work and going all right, Cool. How do we do that times 10 and with like, the absolute insanity. I mean, oh god, I love Gremlins too. So much.
Jacob Davidson:The musical sequence alone, good God. Just
Jonathan Correia:you pick any moment from that movie, and it's God Mode. Joe Dante and CO were in god mode when it came to the New Batch
James Jay Edwards:with, you know, speaking of, like, of, uh, going from simple to turning it up to 10. There's two that I think of when I think of that. And one is The Blair Witch Project to Blair Witch two. And also Cloverfield to 10, Cloverfield Lane. Because those were both. They both kind of went from that found footage schlock to more big budget and actual traditional movies. And at least in the case of Blair Witch, it went to like a self referential, you know, kind of almost parodying itself.
Jacob Davidson:And conversely, then you got a movie like Ghoulies, which, you know, the first two Ghoulies are basically the same with, like the little ghoulies unleashed in a haunted house and then a sideshow carnival just going around killing people and getting to hijinks. But then you got what I believe to be the peak of the franchise, with Ghoulies 3: Ghoulies Go to College, where the Ghoulies go to college, and it's basically Ghoulies, but a frat comedy like Animal House and with, yeah, it's kind of like the Gremlins 2, of the franchise, because you got the Ghoulies doing more slaps against and also, in this one, they can talk. And one of them is even voiced by America sweetheart Richard Kind Oh,
Jonathan Correia:yeah. Well, if you're going, if we're going to continue with the little, little, little mayhem guy buddies, genre, I think that's what that genre is called, little guy buddies. Genre. Little guys can't forget Munchies to Munchie, because munchies started it on the first that first movie was very much so in that like horror comedy with, you know, bunch of little guys causing mayhem, type deal, genre. And then the sequel, munchie is full on, like, 90s, cool, weird guy on a skateboard coming in to muck things like very cat in the Hattie.
Jacob Davidson:Dom DeLuise, yeah.
Jonathan Correia:So any chance to bring up the Munchies franchise, like, gotta take it
James Jay Edwards:to kind of go away from traditional horror. I think that Rambo and the First Blood to rant to Rambo was a dramatic shift, because first blood was almost like a drama about about PTSD, you know, and it absolutely was yeah and yeah and, you know, this soldier who's dealing with his past. And then the rest of the RAMBO movies are just complete shoot them ups in and blood baths.
Jonathan Correia:I mean, I think the most indicative of, like, the complete shift in tone and almost drawn because it is, it is a genre jump from like a drama with, like a bit of action to a full on, you know, 80s action film with part two is the kill count, because in Oh yeah, in first blood, he accidentally kills one person. Yeah, exactly. And First Blood Part Two, I mean, it's dozens, and by the time you get to Rambo four, it's, it's in the hundreds. But like, oh yeah, does he have a higher kill count than, like, a Slasher killer, I think at this point
James Jay Edwards:probably he probably does, yeah,
Jacob Davidson:and as though, bring it back to horror, it's funny because there was almost kind of a Rambo horror movie, because they were, like, trying to make that Rambo movie where Rambo fights a werewolf, because predator was a huge success. So they were trying to ape off of that. Yeah,
Jonathan Correia:I also heard there was like an Alien one, two, for a little bit before, before Rambo four or so there was, like a Rambo versus alien. It might have been like a rumor, probably, but because, like, remember when they said they were going to remake Evil Dead with Ashton Kutcher for a moment? What? Yeah, I remember that
Jacob Davidson:rumor, and back on Joe Dante and unmade movies like that. Yeah. He was even posting the other day about how he almost did, uh, JAWS, three people zero, which would have been a National Lampoon Jaws movie about them trying to make a sequel to jaws and the Shark Eating everybody in the in the crew made, trying to make the new Jaws movie.
Jonathan Correia:Yeah. Do you guys think, uh, jumping genres counts for Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
James Jay Edwards:yes, yeah, absolutely. Oh yeah, it absolutely does. Because even though, yeah, even though both one and two are just flat out horror movies, the second one is the first one almost feels like a documentary, because it's so raw, and the second one is more polished, and there's more almost like evil, dead kind of comedy to it. So, yeah,
Jacob Davidson:like, much more splat stick.
Jonathan Correia:I asked that because Toby Hooper has gone on the record to say the reason why they went so over the top with two is a they got more budget. But also that he was disappointed no one saw the first one as a comedy like he did. So sense of humor, yeah. So he was like, All right, cool. I'm gonna make this as obvious as a comedy as possible, which is why you have the opening with leather face with the biggest chainsaw ever swinging at some 80s yuppies to Oingo Boingos, No one lives forever. Which top 10 sequences?
James Jay Edwards:What do you guys think? Do you think Saw counts? Because the first saw is almost like just a just a psychological almost like a psychological thriller, although it's got a little bit of that torture porn stuff. But then the Saws get progressively more ridiculous. So is it? Do you think it's a slow enough change that? Well,
Jacob Davidson:yeah, no, actually, it's funny. You mentioned that, because I've got a friend who's a massive fan of Saw, and she and she says even that one of the things she loves about the franchise is because it starts off like, Yeah, you said the psychological thriller, and it turns into a horror soap opera, because there's all the plot lines and, you know, like character backstories and connections and plot twists. So it is kind of the horror Days of Our Lives with, like, all because there was so many retcons and they trying to keep the story going? So, yeah, I mean, if you look at it that way,
James Jay Edwards:it might have been a slow enough it wasn't really on a dime. It just kind of happened over the course of the, what 11 movies now, 1010, yeah, it happens over the course of the of the 10 movies that that that happened, I don't think, I mean, if it just went from saw one to saw x, then it would have been more obvious. But
Jonathan Correia:well, it's like the Fast and the Furious franchise. They did a similar trajectory where, like the first one was, you know, Point Break, but with street cars, and then it slowly turned into, I would also say, the most expensive soap opera franchise of all time because the retcons, the flashbacks, the you had a secret child, yes, and it was kidnapped by my secret brother. I mean, come on, those fast movies are soap operas, but with big explosions and vroom vrooms.
James Jay Edwards:All right, cool. Well, yeah, what? What did we miss on movies that took a hard left turn on their sequels. Let us know. And yeah, look at this. We did an episode after two weeks. We're back.
Jacob Davidson:Before we go. I do have an announcement to make. Okay? I will be hosting a screening with the HellRaisers Film Club at Culver City the night of Wednesday the 16th, and I'm hosting a mystery VHS double feature,
James Jay Edwards:July, 16. July 16,
Jonathan Correia:yeah, oh yeah,
James Jay Edwards:cool. All right. Well, everybody go to that. We'll, we'll post on our socials. More detail about that. Thank you absolutely. And yeah, let's get out of here. So our artwork is by Chris Fisher, so go check him out, and our theme song is by Restless Spirits. So go check them out and check out us on all the socials, at@EyeOnHorror, or at ihorroror.com which is the site we all call home, and listen to the crypto zoo and the hallow rewind, and we will see you in a couple of weeks. So for me, James, Jay Edwards, I'm
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