Suspiria (2018)

This movie is like Where's Waldo but for Tilda Swinton. Chatting it up about Luca Guadagnino's 2018 film Suspiria this week, but mostly chatting about Dakota Johnson's wig.

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God, Emily, what are you gonna do for Rum Spring? I mean, I've got some friends that are gonna go to P-Town. I think I'm gonna join them. my God. Play some Xbox, drink some soda, get lit. Not me. I'm going to Berlin to join the Marcos Dance Company. Couldn't be means this, but have fun. Rum Spring is actually kind of wild. It's it's... they girls do it though?

I don't think they let the girls, I don't think they let the women do rum spring. I would have to fact check myself on that actually though. I'm boldly starting this podcast talking about something I know virtually nothing about. I literally couldn't say anything about it. Which is really telling because hi, welcome. You're listening to The Swamp. It's our podcast and it's an acronym. Stands for some wack ass movie podcasting.

Rumpspringa is when Amish people get to leave to see if they want to join regular society or if they want to stay with their Amish communities. But as Dakota Johnson so dutifully notes in this movie that she's not Amish, she's a Mennonite. Mennonites split from the Amish in 18th century for being too liberal. I think it's because they use running water or some shit. They use the scantest amount of technology.

And the hardcore Amish people are like, absolutely the fuck not. And they're like, no, don't worry. Like, we're still not going to give women rights or anything. We're just going to like have plumbing. And they're like, call yourself something different, please. It's embarrassing. Mennonites are different from Amish. I don't know if they have rum springa, but I just loved, this movie was Dakota Johnson's big rum springa. Honestly, Shouts out to Guadagnino for including that little bit. Shouts out to Luca Guadagnino for

setting this movie during the German autumn for some reason that I have 10 articles later still trying to wrap my brain around. I love it. I don't know a thing about what we're talking about today. I just want to jump in and let you all know. I don't know a thing. Well, and welcome. If this is your first time here at the swamp, we are to unqualified, relatively low-brow-

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So just like to talk about movies and this month we're doing all horror movies and I'm really excited because we were gonna do 28 days later and then you found that it has been like Scrubbed from the face of the planet and we cannot find it. You can't run anywhere No, which is a theme this week because we were gonna do that I was really excited to watch it because I know it's very classic and I love to see Killy and Murphy on my screen anytime I can But yeah, totally unavailable and then

After watching this, I wanted to watch the original version. And the only place that you can find it right now is the Criterion channel or the jankiest of free movie sites where the film is playing, but there's an ad in the top left corner running the entire time. It's crazy. So, so I have to corroborate this information because I did also immediately go search out the 1977 original and

I, what was it called? Freebie? was called Freebie. Not even Freebie. Freebie we know. This was called Freebie. Freebie. I, you couldn't figure out how to get that little out of way? Nope. And the, okay. I didn't try.

You had to pause the movie and then go down to the settings and then go back up and unpause it again. I have cracked too many illegal, like pirated movie pop-up ad situations. But it was awful. Yeah, there were ads. was like three minutes of ads every six minutes of film. It was really bad. only, truly, I only got halfway through the 1977 original version before. I was so annoyed by the ads that I had to turn it off.

was really enjoying it. I also had other things to do to go about my day. So I don't want to write it off completely. I would love to watch it another time. It was beautiful. that's that. And that is something I want to talk about because firstly, having not seen the 1977 version, can't speak to it all that much. But I do know that visually she is stunning. then 2018, she didn't do it for me, if I'm being honest.

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is wild to me because you so we're talking about Suspiria the 2018 Luca Guadagnino remake of the 1977 Italian horror classic which the original is not in Italian it's in English I thought whenever I heard like a certain it's it's dubbed right is it dubbed maybe am I just am I just not a spread misinformation like I said we don't know anything we're talking about

I'm really excited. I have never seen this one and I'm generally a fan of the canon of Luca Guadagnino. He's got some hits and misses. I certainly have my opinions, but I'm overall on the up and up about him. And that's funny that you don't like this one because I loved this. Okay. Okay. I am going to say something controversial yet brave. don't know. I don't know if me in a few weeks or me down the line will agree with me now. Maybe I'm just high off of having just watched.

Tilda Swinton play three different roles. Okay, yeah, I didn't recognize that until after I looked up the movie, of course. you have to, if you don't clock that in the first three minutes, this movie's an entire different watching experience. Exactly, well, that's what it was. Watching Tilda Swinton just ham it up, think, I'm gonna say right now, I think this is my favorite of his work. I think this is better than Challengers. Wow.

And I think it's better, I think I would rank, I think I'd put this one at the top and then maybe Challengers, then Call Me By Your Name and then like Bones and All down below. What am I missing? What of his movies am I missing? That's all of them. Yeah, basically. And let's presumptively put the American Psycho remake like in the middle somewhere, right? Let's put that at the same tier as like Call Me By Your Name, right? Like it'll be good, but it's not gonna like, it's not gonna rock me. I hope it does.

This is a remake as well though, so I guess I can't criticize the foundational choice of a remake. Yeah. Luca for me is very hit or miss. It's either like, I am really rocking with it, which is challengers and I hate to say it, but I do still love call me by your name. Or on the other side of that, there's this, it was fine or bones and all, which I never really got into.

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never got into as a never watched it or started watching it and didn't care for it. That. Well, yes. I also I watched it once and I think that maybe I wasn't like in the right mood to watch it or something because I could see how that movie could have like I could have enjoyed it on a different day. But I just it was not vibing with me. I was like, I don't fuck with this cannibalism thing right now. Maybe I'll give it a rewatch some years down the line. But I didn't really care for it upon its initial release.

But this one, I always just sort of glossed over it because again, I was like, remake, I don't really care, Dakota Johnson, mid. So I just never, I thought it was about ballet. So was like ballet, whatever. But I was really glad that we watched it. I'm glad that we are, that this podcast forced me to watch this movie. Cause I don't know if I would have really like sought it out of my own volition. And I was obsessed with this. I thought it was way too long, obviously. Yeah. It really lost me on that, think.

Slow pacing, too long. Not a lot going on, if we're being honest. Like psychologically, know, psychological thriller, meditating on the themes. Like, I get it. I just thought this movie was so beautiful, so well shot. loved the cinematography.

I loved the aura and especially the performances, the acting, and I was engaged by the story. I was fully enraptured in what was happening. I don't know. Again, maybe I was just in the movie, in the mood to like really sit down and watch a movie or something. and get with you with it. I did not touch my phone this whole time. Like I was fully engrossed. just thought this movie was really captivating. And I especially thought, of course, Tilda Swinton. This is the Tilda Swinton parade. OK, and that's what this is for me. Miss Thing was doing drag and I was obsessed with it.

I do want to sit down now and rewatch it, knowing what I know now. So informing a little bit of my viewing. So I had known before that, like, I'd read, because the IMDB little thing popped up immediately when she was playing the therapist character. And I was like, my god, yes, that's Tilda Swinton. Like, that's Tilda Swinton in full prosthetic garb. Like, that's amazing.

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And so then I paused the movie and I did my little side research, which I definitely think made me like the movie more. it was that Tilda Swinton basically is playing these three roles. The first one that we see is, God, what's the doctor's name? I couldn't fucking tell you. we can't just- Clemperer? Clemperer? This movie is set in West Berlin during 1977 during the German autumn. So there's a lot of German names and I'm-

Painfully we're both painfully American. So I'm sorry. I forget some consonants or whatever, but psychologist Yosef Klemper Played by Tilda Swinton is his man But basically in the movie credits are in like the pre, you know, the pre press tour credits They didn't credit that role as Tilda Swinton. They credited it as a fake man named Lutz Airbus Dorf they just made up a fake German man and they're like

And Tilda Swinton was like, I wanted, she's like, I didn't need it to be this big, like, mic drop, like, and it's actually Tilda Swinton. But she just more was like, I'm playing this other male character. And she's like, I'm playing mother Blanc and I'm playing. And she also plays a third thing at the end, the monstro Elisa Sue version of Mother Marcos. That's also Tilda Swinton, obviously. Like, of course, of course. not? Why not? They have her in that.

prosthetic chair, they had her in there every day. They're like, Tilda, you wanna come back tomorrow and just play Mother Marcos as well? And she's like, well, yes, I just assumed. Yeah, I figured. my God, no, that one, we'll get to that, but that had me cackling again. Cause this, I will say this does feel very much to me in the same way the substance does where it ramps up until you hit that third act and then it just goes absolutely batshit crazy.

That's what I really liked about it was like everyone crawling on the floor and running around in their blood. I was like, get me in there, get me in That's where this movie really brought me back. Obviously I sat there through the two and a half hours due to flea watching it. get my big payoff. My big payoff and I did get it and I'm really happy with what I got. But I think honestly,

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Visually, it was really hard for me because it felt so colorless. Well, and that's the interesting thing is because I did put on the 1977 one after this one just to see and that movie is packed with interesting cinematography and color. Yeah, which is wild. guess, yeah, this one colorless, but it felt almost like Tilda Swinton and her like tan moomoomoo, like teaching modern dance and like, you know, counting. It's like that. was a vibe. It was its own beige kind of weird witchy vibe, which I can

respect, I loved the costumes. I thought that they were also like, yeah, I guess I kind of liked the lack of color. I don't know. I feel like this is one that I think probably just pulled you. Did you feel like more engaged? Like you could see yourself there? Well, yes, because I think they did nothing wrong. Like I'm going to join the coven. I think I think I think she did nothing wrong.

But back to, so Tilda Swinton credited as this like fake guy that she made up. Yes. And her and Luca like totally encouraged this Tom Flory. And he's like, you know, it's not that we want to be like deceptive and like hide from people that Tilda is playing this other male role. But it was just more like this fun thing because she would get all up in the garb and walk around set and people wouldn't recognize her obviously. So she just came up with this. And so she's like,

On set, I was Lutz Ebersdorf, but then when I was playing the character, was, you know, doctor whoever. So she's like, so I wanted to credit the the male, like sort of energy that I gave myself. Her drag name. Literally her drag name outside of the character in the movie she was playing, right? And they made a fake IMDB page for him. They like made up all this fake stuff for this guy. my God. So that she could like get more into like her male.

persona and she would wear it. You know how they were they showed his little ding-a-ling? Yeah. You know how she would wear it just around to get the heft of the balls so she would feel more like a man. she did. Yeah. That's the most Tilda Swinton thing that I've ever heard in my life. Of course she did. Exactly. So learning all of this information upon watching, starting the movie, I was like

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I'm obsessed with this because I'm thinking about the prosthetic balls in between Tilda Swinton's legs. Every time she's playing this Dr. Clumper character. Like she's really- down Chloe Grace Moretz. Right, right. Like in the club with Mia Goth being like, you got to get these witches with my fake dick on, with my packer. Like literally I'm obsessed. My packer, no. Literally she was wearing a packer. I think Tilda Swinton, Tilda Swinton is a drag king.

and should host a spin-off of RuPaul's Drag Race for the drag kings. personally think kings should be fully integrated into the RuPaul universe. is drag, it's not just drag queens, I drag is for everyone, so I think that there should be more drag kings. And I think we should get Tilda up in there as a guest judge or something, because Tilda is a monster. please. my goodness.

They used the same prosthetic makeup artist for Tilda's old man look that they did for her older look in the Grand Budapest Hotel as well. Which I thought was really cool. I like that. They were like, we loved how you looked in Grand Budapest. Can we pull that makeup artist to turn you into an old man this time? And it was just like, I love that concept of like, we've seen you look weird and old before, but let's, let's like pull those same people and do it again. But you're a man this time. Obsessed. Something I will say that,

will inform you a bit more about my watch of this is that this is my third attempt at watching this movie. interesting. Yeah, I had turned it on a couple of times and I'll let you guess where I stopped after the first time. well, the meat hooks. Yes, the meat hooks, of course. Well, yes. That was a lot. And I want to get your take on that because this is kind of, we've kind of done, Darius dipping the body horror.

It turns out there's a little freak. Turns out Dara likes grotesque shit, because I don't really watch a lot of horror, but now I'm like kind of like I got to get into it because I was kind of into the meat hooks. I was wondering. OK, OK, because this was this feels very different from, say, you know, the substance or the thing where the body horror that we watched is outrageous enough and kind of goofy enough that it's a little less disgusting.

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But this is really grotesque. This is a hard watch. Yeah. it's, yeah. was, my mouth was open. I generally try to take into account my...

physical reactions to films upon my first time watching them, whether that be like smiles and laughing or like something negative, like gross feelings, because like I think that is a telltale of effective art. So after we're done, like, I was like, that made me sick to my stomach the whole time. And then I'm like, well, success. I'm sure that's what they wanted, right? Yeah, they did it. I'm like checking in and I'm like, my mouth has been open for 10 minutes. I'm like, girl, you're starting to get like dry, dry mouth because of like how.

how much your jaw is on the floor from this. And it was that whole, the dance sequence of her body just getting smashed around that mirror room. Crumpled. And then the mean hooks where I was fully like, I need to pause and go get a drink of water because of how like my tonsils are withered up and have fallen out because of how much mouth breathing I'm doing because of how stressed this movie is making me. It's a lot. It was, I mean, yeah, I can appreciate some body horror, but this one was,

Probably towards the side of it that I am not able to deal with. You would think like almost unnecessarily grotesque. Not unnecessarily, I would just say I don't have the capacity for that one. That's, yeah, that's fair. It was a lot. I would definitely put this movie pretty high up on the like, if you don't want to be bothered with, you know, visual disgustingness, like do not, do not come. I can do visual disgustingness decently.

Like I think my capacity for that has gone up in the last couple of years, but this one was still really pushing it. But you, with the body horror that we've explored this month, I feel like it has itched part of your brain. Do you feel like this one just falls into a category of like you just respect it because it made you feel so disgusting and not like doing something for you? Yeah, maybe. I also think that

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that was a great point that it felt a little more real and a little less like camp and silly or shrouded by sci-fi. Like with the thing, like this one was very like, we're doing a disgusting thing to a human body. And in the context of the story, is just like, it's straight up mutilation. It's not anything. gonna break every bone and show you every single time. Right, but I liked the part, the through line of the story where the psychologist basically, he doesn't really believe Chloe Grace Moretz in the very beginning. He's kind of like,

This is part of a fabricated delusion. As your therapist, I'm tracking these, you know, through lines of things you're saying, because it seems like you're making this up to compensate for some other, like, mental crisis that you're having. And basically, when the doctor finally connects with Mia Goth and is like, hey, like, this is real, I really liked his take of, witches aren't real, but when you perceive someone as being a witch, it is likely that their actions are harmful.

Right? Like, his whole take is like, as a psychologist, I'm not going to say that she's right and that they're witches, but I believe that there are women in an organized crime setting doing bad things. Yeah, they're probably doing some fucked up shit. Right. I just, I mean, of course, then they are witches and he learns that and he gets caught. But I like that sort of take of like, like, I'm not going to write her off because she's quote unquote crazy. I'm going to take this, you know, take this delusion and break it down to what it could be in real life. And like,

The Tilda Swinton getting to solve the mystery of the crime that she herself as a different character is perpetrating is insane to me. Like I loved that part. So the whole psychologist grounding it in realism while the witches are actually doing witchy shit is what made it feel more scary to me because you're almost approaching it as like, they're not even really doing too much witchy magic stuff. It really is just like straight up.

murder and body mutilation. Yeah, absolutely. The magic was pretty toned down. she just she went till this wouldn't like touched her hands and feet to like get guide her with the light to do the dance. Like that's all we needed. We didn't need like magical strings of glittery sorcery coming off of Dakota Johnson while she was dancing. Right, right. That. Which I liked. I liked it. I liked understanding the magic system. just meat hooks. Right. And so.

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I guess we can't really summarize this movie too much, but Dakota Johnson, she escapes Mennonite society and she goes and enrolls at this dance company that it turns out is a coven of witches. And there's sort of an internal conflict between the coven of who should be the ruler. Should it be Madame Blanc or Marcos? And they vote and they keep Marcos and Marcos wants to use Susie, who's Dakota Johnson's body as her new host body. They're going to do a ritual where her.

you know, her witchy soul will then pass through and then Dakota Johnson Suzy will then be Mark Goss and can be the next leader basically. But the very twist at the end of the movie is that we learned that Dakota Johnson has actually been Mother Suspiriorium this whole fucking time. Yeah. And that she says, I reject your proposal to be your new host body. And actually, I'm with Tilda Swinton, mother Blanc, mother Blanc, Madame Blanc, whatever. And she's like, yeah.

Basically, she's like, you've been running this fraudulent, you say you serve me, but the way you go about it is not fucking chill with my witchy rules. So she kills everyone who supports Mother Marcos and lifts up the Blanc supporters. And then we move forward as a coven with maybe more ethical witch practices, who's to say? I think so. Is this a metaphor for like, sometimes you need to do an outside hire.

Okay, sometimes you don't promote from within. Probably, yeah. Do an outside hire, get a new perspective, clean out some negative energy from the company, right? Like I'm thinking corporate with But it does imply that, yeah, it does imply that Blanc lives though, correct? Yeah, I think so. So I was going to ask you, because her neck is broken, but then we do see Tilda Swinton like move her eyes around and display consciousness and then Suzy touches her. I think that the...

left the movie thinking that she would probably be healed because she says like, she won't be with the dance company for a while. But I imagine that to be like, we're putting some witchy healing into her and she'll be back for sure. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, we got a Frankenstein's monster her for a minute, but she'll be around. But then the movie ends with Susie sort of extending a kindness question mark or at least just like a truthfulness to Dr. Clumper to be like, I'm going to explain to you how your wife passed. Like he had been.

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thinking that they had been separated during the Holocaust. I think it was sort of implied that she was Jewish and got put in a concentration camp and that he was a white Aryan man. so that he thought after all these years that there was a chance that he could find her again or that she was out there because he truly didn't know what happened to her. And Suzy's like, hey, I'm a witch, I'm all knowing. I'm going to let you know that.

You know, your wife did die in a concentration camp, fucking sad. And then he's so sad by it that she just wipes his memory afterwards and was like, shouldn't have done that. Here's the kind thing to do, wipe his memory of everything and then just dips. And I'm like, honestly, I know that's unethical, but I'm like, that's more ethical than what fucking Marcus was doing. Yeah, truly. So I kind of support Miss Suzie.

three important business items in no descending order or of importance or anything. One, I did my research since this podcast started. Believe it or not, this is all happening on a different timeline. Amish girls do get to go to Rum Spring. So just wanted to clear the air on that. Second, at my job today, two people got stuck in an elevator and one of them was a man leading a class on how to become a soup master. And I had to tell all the ladies who wanting to learn about soup that the soup master was stuck in the elevator.

So that was how my day has been today. And three, we're here to do chocolate or vanilla. It's our interim podcast segment where my mother, Jen, comes and says two or sometimes three things and we all say which one we like the best. Jen, hi, how are you? No soup master class for everybody that was canceled? no, it was just delayed. nice. He persevered and did the soup demo for the ladies, yes. You know what, he gets like...

Time and a half pay. He gets hazard pay right now for that. Right. Library hazard pay because we've got the IOS. So there is, by the way, there is no theme tonight. It is off the dome. Hell yeah. It's a short one. It'll probably be pretty quick. that. Chocolate or vanilla? Chocolate. I'm going to say chocolate. Chocolate. Chocolate, vanilla or strawberry? Chocolate. Chocolate.

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All right, chocolate, double sweep. Wow. First one, visor or baseball cap? Visor, you mean like a tennis visor? Like has no, only the brim? Correct. No, no, I'm gonna, like only Barbie looks good in a visor. Yeah. I feel like a visor's really not practical. I'll go with just the straight baseball cap. Yeah, a visor feels more like a costume than anything.

Yeah, I'll have to go baseball cap. Yeah, I'll go baseball cap too. Although my friend Sandy rocks a visor when she's golfing. Nice. Next one, a couple's Halloween costume or a group Halloween costume? Too many cooks in the kitchen because a group costume is really hard to coordinate to be really good. If you execute it, that's a major serve.

So I'm going to say if a well-executed couple costume find a well-executed group costume, like my mind is blown. But which one do I want to be a part of? I just want to be a part of the couple costume because then I get to do everything. I get to pick it. I get to do both. And he just wears it and does what I say. That's what I want. Right. But I'm going to say as far as like what is better objectively, a well-done group Halloween costume. That's way more fucking work.

I'm doing a group Halloween costume this year, so we'll have to wait and see how it turns out. But for that reason, I will choose group. Will you say what it is? Will you reveal? Will you reveal? Are you gonna wait? You don't want to say? don't think I want to, actually. I was just, Henry and I were just SpongeBob and Patrick. A very low-stakes SpongeBob and Patrick couples costume.

for a party this past weekend, which I don't think I'll be dressing up again, TBH. So that was it for me. Wow, that was your, wow. Low energy Halloween for me this year, I know. Fair enough. just did a Ren Faire, so I'm kind of burnt out on making myself costumes at the moment. Fair enough. Next one, go to the gym or walk outdoors for walk outdoors. feel like this, it's crispy autumn right now, right before it becomes chilly autumn. And we're we're getting into that like,

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It's too nice not to seize it before it gets nasty out here in New England. So I've been trying to get outside to like appreciate before the seasonal depression really gets me right. Like I'm letting the sun hit my skin and shit. So I'm going to take a walk outside on this one. Yeah, I took a walk outside after work today. Yeah, I feel you. I'm definitely trying to jam pack all the nice little walks that I can in. So I'm going I'm going to choose walking outside the same.

I walked with my friend Judy and my phone said I went 5.5 miles and I don't think we did 5.5. is, who knows? But it was gorgeous outside. Next one is those peanut butter cup cookies with the Reese's in the middle or those pretzels with the melted Rolo and the on the top? Both of these are classic, like potluck Christmas time dishes for those who don't know what Jenna's talking about. The first one is like you just take

like bog standard peanut butter cookie dough, but you put it in like a little cupcake tin and then you put a fucking Reese cup in there. Some people do it with the Hershey kiss, but I like it. I do it with the Hershey kiss.

you know, I like it with the double peanut butter, because then you get the peanut butter cup with the peanut butter cookie. Yeah. It's my preference. And then the other one is you take a pretzel and then a roll-o, which is a little caramel candy. You put them in the oven so they kind of melt. Then you just decorate it on top with like a little or sometimes we will make them look like reindeer or whatever. It's very, it's a very customizable and accessible snack. They're very easy to make and they taste really good. But I'm going to have to go on the peanut butter cookie on this one.

I would destroy those peanut butter cookies right now, Jen. You just put a craving into my head. They're so easy to make and they're so yummy. Yeah. Let's see. The hardest part of making them is unwrapping the Reese's. Yeah, totally. Because they're the best, the best peanut butter to ratio you can get in a Reese's cup, in my professional opinion, is the individually wrapped mini sizes. Not the mini minis, but the normal minis.

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Yeah, I have to agree with you. have a hard stance on this because the two that come in the package, too thin, the double stuffed ones, it's too much. It's all about the chocolate to peanut butter ratio. One time I got my nephew a big bag of Reese's and I left them in my car and they melted. So I gave it to him anyway. Like the mini ones, it was just like sort of a glob. you could still eat that for sure.

stick it the freezer and then like kind of gnaw on it. That'd be kind of nice actually. Next one is American cheese or cheddar cheese on your burger? Both. Well, the answer is both. You want a slice of each, but lately I've been loving melted American on a burger is American just melts different. That's what I want. But of course I want cheddar for flavor as well. So I do want both cheeses, but on the burger specifically, I will be saying American. I think I want cheddar.

every time. Like, I know American is built to melt. I get that. But flavor-wise, that's every time. Yeah. Cheddar. Yeah, I agree with you guys. I like the taste of cheddar, but man, the gooeyness of melted American cheese. I'm gonna go American. Next one. Stuffed shells or lasagna? I feel like lasagna is a little bit more manageable, because you can sort of attack it like,

like a planar field rather than like an individual mess. Because you're committing when you take the shell to the whole shell. And sometimes it's like, well, I don't want four, but I don't want three. I want like 3.5. Whereas lasagna, you can just cut yourself a bigger piece of lasagna. So I'm going to say lasagna. And Garfield, of course. I, it's tough. What's iconic about a stuffed shell? I don't know, but I do. I just really love a stuffed shell.

I think I'm gonna have to go with that. I'm gonna go stuff shell on this one. Yep, same. Stuff shell, definitely. Just something about them. Every time, every time. Next one. Legos or adult coloring book? Legos. Legos. I can't shame an adult coloring book, but it's not for me. I fantasize. When I'm in a really bad depression, I go onto the Lego website and I sort by price.

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high to low. I look at the craziest shit you can get on Lego, like all the fucking Mordor. my God. So cool. If I was rich. at the Lego store. Yeah, they have some amazing ones. my God. Yeah, a Lego set. Because that's something that excites me. I'm not getting excited about an adult coloring book. I'm sorry. Same. Lego is for me for sure.

I don't turn down adult coloring if people are doing it, but... In comparison though, it's no contest. I have a vase of Lego flowers in the middle of my dining room table right now and they look amazing. Yes. You and every household in America should have the Lego flower set. It should just be a staple at this point with the Ikea Malm and those wooden spoons from Marshall's, you know? Yep.

Next one Tom Holland or Paul Muskell? In what sense? 28 by the way. either or. What do you like better? I know Paul Muskell is really having his moment right now and he's objectively like so much better of an actor and he's the right choice but he has not impacted my life the way Tom Holland's portrayal of Spider-Man did so...

Did you guys fucking hear that Tom Holland just got cast in a Christopher Nolan movie about vampires? I think I did. Yeah, I wasn't sure if that was real or not, but wild because he has not really proven to anyone that he can actually act. that's like that's a wild choice. I would love to see. I would love to see him do a good job. But I was really starting to think that he was just going to rock like being Zendaya's house husband. And I was going to just let that for him.

Right? Like, yeah, do a couple Armani campaigns a year, like whatever. Absolutely. Do like a lot of stage. He was like just in a Romeo and Juliet stage production or whatever, like some local West End shit in London. Yeah, he's like strictly doing passion projects and like one or two things a year that'll make like a little bit of cash, but it's not acting.

The SWAMP (33:11.468)
I'm pretty sure he still has to be Spider-Man until they let him go as well. Yeah, we'll see when that is. They're not gonna, even despite the fact that Peter Parker should never be old, just get a new teenager. But anyways, I'm still gonna pick Tom Holland. Even though I'm excited for Gladiator, I'm still gonna pick Tom Holland. Yeah, I have expressed in so many ways my love for Paul Mescal on this podcast. You can just go back and listen to it there. I'm gonna go for him.

Yeah, I'm gonna go for Tommy Holland. Last one. Here's the triple. by the Dashboard Lights, Stairway to Heaven, or Radio Gaga? Ooh, you kind of caught me in a meatloaf phase, I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I've been queuing meatloaf as of late. You know, it's that time of year. It's that time of year. So I will be choosing Paradise by the Dashboard Lights.

Yeah, I think I have to join you there. I do love that song. That is classic karaoke screaming in the car. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We had a full dance to it in college. Love. But no, I am picking Radio Gaga. I love that song. Fair enough. That's iconic. Yeah, if I know one thing about Jen is that she's gonna pick the Queen song. And if it's between Queen songs, she's gonna pick that Queen song. Yeah, it's true. So true.

but that is it for chocolate or vanilla tonight. Love that. Thank you so much. We love a no theme little chocolate or vanilla moment. safe out there. Don't get stuck in any elevators and Jen, we will see you next week. All right. I love you guys. Have an awesome night. Love you too. Bye.

Miss Dakota Johnson and her wig. How loud can you say wig? I liked the wig. Nicole Kidman. I liked it. That is a Nicole Kidman ass wig Miss Dakota Johnson had sporting. I wasn't mad about it. No, I was feeling pretty unsettled. It just looked too... The hair looked too different in too many scenes. I'm like, sometimes it was crunchy.

The SWAMP (35:23.95)
looking and sometimes it looked really good. I think also the hairline placement was a little like sometimes. See, it's just something I'm not tuned into. So I think I just don't notice it that much. But you watch enough drag race. Yeah, to know about wigs. Maybe not that I actually know about them. I just was, I was like, what a choice. What a weird choice. The long, like red hair. And then when they cut it, I thought it looked bad when they cut it like to her shoulders. Yeah. Can we talk about

the chemistry between Dakota and Tilda in this. Because I'll tell you what, if they made 50 shades of gray between Tilda Swinton and Dakota Johnson, I mean, Academy Awards. I want a full porn of the two of them sitting in desk chairs across from each other, blank expression, not talking, mind communicating some freak shit.

in the voiceover and I would watch Tilda with quark and eyebrow to suggest something and I would buy it. course. Yeah. huh. No, I love these two lesing out the entire movie. of course I found it to be more not necessarily mother daughter, but you know, hi, you know, what do you call it? Like,

power imbalance discrepancy, right? Where was like more of a leader follower. Taking her under her wing. Mother daughter. It wasn't quite horny per se, but it was sexual. Yeah, was, yes, it was certainly charged. Sensual, maybe. Yeah, right. Erotic. Just, I found out.

found it to be very erotic. Right, Tilda Swinton is an erotic performer, I would say. Yes, I think Tilda Swinton is just inherently extremely erotic. Yeah, against your will. Like, whether you think Tilda Swinton is hot or not, that is not up to you. She's going to make you feel something.

The SWAMP (37:25.888)
a little tingly and strange and that's up to you to figure out how you feel about her. No, thought she, I would have to sit down and journal afterwards. I also have been obsessed with her though because like her in her moomo and her like, I just keep talking about the moomo. I loved the moomo. And her like long center part share hair like,

Yeah, you would have again you stand no chance when it comes to alluring things in a horror movie. Well, yeah, you got me right like you can have my soul use use me as your vessel Why don't you? Sure, why not? No, I would not have been like- my god fucking Olga? Mia Goth and Chloe Grace Moretz just begging for death at the end of this movie my god, when she's like, what do you want? And she's like death and then she gives it to them

That's where I was like, we're moving in a more ethical direction. Assisted suicide? Yes. Work. Of course. We're not gonna drain zombie grace morence of her soul anymore. We're gonna let her rest. And I think that that's beautiful. That zombie grace morence, my god. They had her looking haggard. had her putting on the saggy zombie titty chest plate.

To be like, no, we need to show that your energy has been so drained that your titties are deflated now as well. Dakota Johnson said- In case you had any questions about it. Mother Blanc, Madame Blanc comes to Dakota Johnson and she's like, what are you in this company? Dakota Johnson's like, I'm the hands.

And Chloe Grace Moretz is like, I'm the titties. Like I'm the titties at this company. This is where you're going to drain my life force from is these knockers. And you can just deflate those bad boys. Take what I really want. No, I thought I'm Jesus Christ. thought Mia Goth was great in this. I loved it. I mean, not that I ever doubt her. She's great all the time, but I was so I'm so happy to see her being her squeaky little British self and then giving me a good scream.

The SWAMP (39:37.556)
Yeah, yeah. Putting her in a Luca Guadagnino film makes total sense to me. So do it again. I'd love to see it again. See it again. my goodness. Yeah. Well, maybe maybe for the American Psycho drop. Right. Who could she could be like the Reese Witherspoon character? Nah. Who could she be? American Psycho? Chloe Savenier.

yeah, Mia Gothas, the Chloe Sivigne. So Luca Guadagnino, for those who don't know, has just sort of soft launch announced that he will be directing a remake of the film American Psycho, which we have covered on this podcast if you'd like to go listen. But yeah, I feel kind of like neutrally conflicted. It's one of those things where I'm like, OK, I guess, like I'll probably go see it when it comes out. But give me some more to go off of, other than that, before I form an opinion. it's a movie I like and a director I like, so I guess. But I just like.

Remake culture pisses me off. Exactly, exactly. Thank you. Especially if I'm like, if I'm about to walk into Jacob Elordi playing it, I feel like that's going to piss me off a little bit. Yeah, it's getting a little tired, but whatever. I there's just other options. Sort of like I just saw Saturday Night last night, which I agree with you is just down the middle, okay. But it kind of made me think, I'm like, not everything needs to get made. Sometimes I'm like,

sometimes this could have been just an idea. You didn't have to. We didn't have to go all the way through on this. Who is this for? You know, I was like, no, I, yeah, having watched that movie, I think instead you could just go back and watch the very first season of Saturday Night. Right. Or like, yeah, that's that my takeaway from that movie was that I was like, I want to go back and watch old Saturday Night Live bits now.

And then I was like, okay, so I'd rather be doing. That's literally what I did. It made me want to watch something else, which I guess if that's the point of your movie, if the point of the movie was to drum up newfound support for SNL, like maybe that's fine. But I was just like, whatever. But same thing with an American Psycho remake. I'm like, who do we need this? Could you have taken the core ideas at what you want to express and come up with something new? Maybe. But.

The SWAMP (41:46.784)
Again, I don't wanna criticize Mr. Luca, because this this, Suspiria is a remake, and I really enjoyed it, and I'm glad that he made it, and I feel better off having seen it, so whatever, who am I to say? Good, good. Yeah, fair enough. I will say that visually, the one thing that I really did appreciate was those dream sequences, where Hilda was like sending, I believe it was, she was sending all of the dreams of all of the witches in the coven, like to...

Dakota Johnson's brain basically, and it was just like a fucked up, what's it called, montage, essentially. Yeah, felt very like a creepy music video almost, which also, didn't, again, to compare the first 40 minutes of the 1977 version, which I watched to this, the original one, very colorful, incredible set design, like really just these super vivid, intense,

sets and the music was done by the prog rock group goblin which is like an italian prog rock group that made all this like kind of funky really interesting music so like to watch the original Cisperia was much more of like an audio visual experience whereas this one they kind of sucked all that out because all the music in this one was done by tom york of radiohead who's certainly not known for being like

bells and whistles, was very like kind of creepy and building. Yeah, very that which is has its own merit, but it's certainly a little less exciting. thought that a lot of dance sequences paired to unexciting music in this one left me wanting something. It's more about dance. Yeah, let's pick up the pace. Yeah, I just like to be visually entertained and I really didn't feel like I got that until everything went.

when

The SWAMP (44:09.154)
I would not have voted for Marcos. I would have voted for Blanc and I would have been spared. And I would have been just romping around in the blood with the girls, getting my life. Yeah. Unfortunately, I do think that I'm someone that I'd prefer to just be visually entertained throughout all of it instead of having that build up in that payoff. so you're- It did really feel like, it felt like work.

So you're a coconut. So you need. Yeah. Yes. Yes, please. Well, I just think that I just think the movies can be pretty. shocking. But I feel like I feel like I give it a free pass because Luca has shown us that he does have the capacity to make a beautiful movie. think this movie is beautiful. Just like different, different than, you know, the Call Me By Your Names, which have those beautiful vivid.

blues and greens of the Italian countryside. it's it's West Berlin in 1977. It was a little gray. Like things were- Fair enough, fair enough. Things were a little gray. You are correct. I just want to be visually stimulated. That's all. No, that's, and that's totally fair. But I was, I will say I was very visually stimulated by Tilda Swinton. She looked like a gray hound. Crazy. Yeah. She, yeah. Amazing.

Amazing actress. I'm gonna put Tilda Swinton in the top five greatest of all times. Is that controversial? Maybe not controversial, but I think people would probably disagree. would okay. I'll rescind that. Top five living actors. No gender restrictions because Tilda clearly can do it all. sense to me. I'm gonna say top five living working actors. I'm gonna put Tilda up there.

Yeah, I'd say that feels right. Yeah, I have a feeling she's probably gonna be like one of my top actresses for the year. on your little- like my letterbox roundabout. Do you pay for the premium version? feel like- No, God, no. I thought you had to pay for letterbox to get the wrapped, to get the letterbox like wrapped report with all of your like statistics of like your most watched actor was Willem Dafoe. Like obviously, you didn't have to tell me that. No, they didn't.

The SWAMP (46:32.012)
They do them every year. interesting. I always assumed it was only for people who paid for like the version with no ads. No, they just send you an email. I've never looked at mine. I should probably do that. Yeah, check it out this year. It's fun. I like it. But the sound mixing in this movie was a little bit disturbing to me. The respiratory, the constant.

looming respiratory sounds in this movie. I get why they're there and they're actually they're in the original as well. I the through the drawing, the through line we're taking from the original. love it. But it truly got in my head where I'm like, do I have emphysema right now? Like am I wheezing? I was like, is this sound coming from inside my body because of how like ambient the like unsteady breathing noises were? That kind of that made my

hair on my arms stand up in a way that I liked a little less than the creepy meat hook. know, the creepy meat hook made me gag for my life. But this was like a looming creepy feeling that I was like, could have. like hair standing up on the back of your neck. And like I could have gone without breathing. I'll tell you what, this movie made me realize that I need a fucking surround sound system because my speakers were like clipping out so much.

And I feel like it, I think it took away a lot, honestly. No, that's funny because I thought the same thing. I have a decent, I have like a Bose bar. it's like, have like decent- Would you recommend it? Yeah, for, Bang for Your Buck, I think it's a good, it's a good TV speaker, but it was having me like listening. I was like, I bet if you had full surround sound, like installed in your home, that this movie would be fucking nuts to watch. And I was like fantasizing about a world in which I have an

a home theater with like a nice surround sound system and like a projector. And I was like, my God, I wish. I do wonder if this movie is just one that needs to be seen in a theater. and I would have, I love to see this in a theater. that'd be so of course like, it at somewhere like the Coolidge. Right. That would be Chef's Kiss. A movie theater with a good vibe and not like a capitalism. An AMC vibe.

The SWAMP (48:53.518)
is crunching popcorn. just became a member of my, I'm an AMC Stubbs List member equivalent of the theater that I regularly go to, which is way less popular. It's called a Cinemark. I'm a Cinemark movie rewards member now. I was at the Taco Bell and I was about to buy my ticket and the online fees and I was like, if I had joined for $11 a month, I can waive these online fees and I think that that would be worth it even just for today. for itself. It pays for itself.

The AMC Stubbs A-list group has the best word of mouth marketing of any subscription service you can get. don't hear anyone saying shit about a green chef or whatever other subscription services the way people are talking about AMC Stubbs. That's... It pays for itself. You get that?

like you get that like highlighted in bold and they're like if you could remember this and tell it to 10 friends that would be that would be great referral code it pays for itself.

This movie, I went into it. I didn't know too much about it, but I thought it was going to be about ballet because the original movie is like about ballet. But this one, just assume I hear dance company. I hear horror and dance and women and I assume ballet, right? Skinny women, of course, they're going be doing ballet. I was kind of... this is modern dance. was modern dance. And honestly, I did not care for or respect it until it was karate. OK, until she was doing...

airbending moves to throw Olga around that room. I was like, this dance is some Maddie Ziegler dance moms bullshit. yeah. And then when she started throwing the arm to snap the neck, I was like, wait, I get it. This is beautiful. This is modern. This is, I get it now. It's, like, she looks great.

The SWAMP (50:54.638)
I'm like, I would pay money to see this. I fully understood the vision once it became violent. What does that say about me? What did you think about the actual dance sequence with, mean, because the entire movie is them basically practicing this big dance that they're going to perform. Yeah, right. So we get two big dance numbers. The first one is sort of like for an audience and is maybe just like more of a performative thing to keep up the appearance of a dance company.

Right? Because they're not doing any actual like ritualistic stuff during this one per se, when they're all in the red, the red ropes. Right? think they're just doing- Even though it feels like it. It feels ritualistic, but I don't know, cause that's not the transference of the body spell. No, no. There was, yeah, there was nothing going on there from what I could tell. So they're just doing like witchy dance moves. But I liked that whole scene particularly because I didn't find the dancing to be super engaging, but it was cut.

with the scenes of Mia Goth's character just like going into the catacombs and discovering the dead bodies and basically like, or not dead bodies, but you know what I mean. But basically her unveiling the climax, the turning point of like solving the mystery of the film. And I thought having those two things at the same time kind of kept me engaged. Cause I was like, I don't really care about this dance.

but I do care about Mia Goths and her shattering her shin bone and then having the weird growth. that was disgusting. The great silver eyeballs, her eyes change color and she goes into the trance. That element of it. And of course, the choreography does not feature Mia Goth prominently until she shows up. And then suddenly she's the main bitch. And I'm like, well, real convenient of you to show up just as the choreo is getting to your big moment. time,

her in the trance and then, you know, dancing on the broken leg. That is what made that scene really cool to me. And then of course, then we get the next dance scene, which is the big ritual where they're being mad weird with it. They're running around on all fours and they're getting into it. And then I'm like, this is the dance that I'm more into. And that's we can focus on. Cause I was like the first dance I don't fucking care, but the big ritual dance. was like, yeah.

The SWAMP (53:01.166)
I did love the costuming for the first dance. Yeah, the red. Those red ropes. Yeah, if you're going to get me with modern dance, you definitely got to do something like a fun costume or something. neat, yeah. Absolutely. The Maddie Ziegler, like I'm in a beige leotard and I'm just going to do some emoting through my body doesn't really connect with me. Watching, I don't know, I struggle to, I never danced myself as a...

person growing up, like I never really enjoyed that side. I feel like connection to music is like different, like dance doesn't feel as close to that for me as like a lot of other people. I don't really, it's the same thing with like poetry, right? Like I like to read, but I don't really like poetry. I don't really like dance either. As far as like, don't, I would never sit and pay money to go watch the ballet. I don't think, I mean, I'd go if somebody gave me tickets for free, that's for sure. But

Yeah, yeah. You know, not my cup of tea. And so especially this modern thing, I almost feel like it's like above my head. I'm like, I'm not really getting this. Like, I get that it's really impressive that they can move their bodies this way. But like, while they were doing it, I was just kind of like, I'm not really seeing the point here until it was for the ritual. And then I was like, I'm obsessed with this. Yeah, the purpose, the purpose behind the movement, guess. Mm hmm. Absolutely.

Speaking of the ritual, can we jump in here to our regularly scheduled programming? Because I would love our ritual to do. Yes, our ritual, our ritual. And I want to pose the question to you. Fuck, Mary, kill all of Tilda Swinton's characters. Yeah, of course, of course. So I think I'm going to have to kill Marcos because even though that fleshy mass of

whatever was going on is really interesting to me. And I would like to get to know Ms. Marcos a little bit better. In the context of the story, I do align myself with Dakota Johnson and the other Tilda Swinton, Madame Blanc, where I'm like, we got to get her out of here. Like, she's bad vibes, right? So I want to join the coven and I want to lift it up to a better state. Overthrow. Yeah. You're joining it and you're throwing a coup. Right. And so I'm going to join in. I'm going to kill Mother Marcos. I'm going to...

The SWAMP (55:22.094)
marry mother Blanc because then I can be like a support within the rising community that we will then establish and flourish post Marco's death. And then I guess I'll just have sex with a psychologist. Because that's not really, I don't need to marry him. I don't need to be his second much younger wife. That's not a vibe I need to curate per se.

What about you? Yeah, absolutely. No, I totally agree. I think that's the right thing to do. I want to join the coven. I want to be a helping hand there and uplift it. But like, my God, sorry. that's okay. Fucking Mother Marcos could be interesting. That could be an experience. Well, what's she got going on? I feel like there's a lot going on. She had like extra limbs attached to her. was very much giving monstro a lysisu.

I loved it. And did you bring that up on our Patreon episode? Because you had recommended Suspiria as a follow up in a recent film, no? Or maybe just... I probably did. Comparatively for Body Horror, because it was very that. But I didn't even mind that it was similar. might have. I don't know. can say. And then what are you going to eat and drink? You're throwing your little Suspiria party. We're all going to wear our red robes.

and we're gonna do a dance. huh. Yeah. I think this is easily for sure a red wine movie. No question about that. This is a red wine movie if you ask me. And then I'm thinking East Berlin, West Berlin. I don't know which Berlin. I don't even know where I am. But I know it's gray. I know it's dull. You know what I want? Goulash. What is goulash?

Tell, inform me. It's like a beef stew. okay. I've never had Yeah, something like that. When people say goulash, do, that word is giving like slop to me. Is it like a, it's like a sloppy Exactly. Is there cabbage in it? Yeah. No, not that I'm aware of. It's good. That word is projecting images of cabbage into my mind. Maybe I'm just a stereotyping Eastern Europe as like, a cabbage heavy place. Yeah. I think you are. What about you?

The SWAMP (57:46.99)
I just want to watch more Tilda Swinton, to be frank. Like I, after this movie, I just want more. In reality, I put on the original because I was like, I got to see what this is about. Like immediately after the movie ended, I was like, I need to seek out this 1977 version. And I put it on, you know, for a little while. I did not finish it, but I but I really enjoyed it. And it was almost the inverse. Right. It was like a lot less substance and intense.

detailed, intricate storytelling and more of like really cool visuals, really cool music, which is almost what you want after this, right? It's like a really good- That's what I want. That's exactly what I want. It's a really good change of pace. So I would actually highly recommend putting on the original. Yeah, I'm gonna agree with you so hard on that. But I also want more Tilda Swinton all the time and a recent movie that- Obviously. A movie that came out last year that I didn't get to see but-

I really wanted to and it's been on my list is a problemista, problemista. yes, yes. And she's in it there's just this really fucking funny scene that was used in a lot of promotional material where Julio Torres who plays like the main character and Tilda Swinton are talking about like which like business operating software they use at this job. And she's like, well, we use QuickBooks Pro or whatever they fucking say. And it's just like her delivery is so fucking funny that that really made me.

Right, yeah, in that movie. so I haven't seen it. Greta Lee's in it too. Like, I really want to see that movie. So this would be as I'm high on my Tilda Swinton train, I would like to continue to see other Tilda Swinton works I have not yet seen. And that is one of them for sure. Absolutely. No, I think that's a great recommendation. I'm going to just, yeah, hard agree with you on both of those. I think those are both two really great options, but I know...

I myself will be searching for the original. Right, and if you end up watching it on Freebie and there's a little ad in the top left corner, there is. was like this weird ad that continued to just sat there. It was really annoying. So what you do is you just have to pause the movie and then hit play and then pause it again and then hit play again and then it'll go away, right? You just have to like click buttons until that's my, that was always my hack.

The SWAMP (01:00:03.47)
growing up for When You Find Movies on 123freemovies.com is you have to click a bunch of- I forgot my history. You've got to click a bunch of fake links before you find the real ones. So it's a lot of closing out of extra tabs and returning to your source. But yeah, there's also some weird interactive ad that I had to click on. I It was bullshit. It made me really pissed. I'm sure. But it was free. at my Suspiria party,

I am going to serve you a gimlet with basil syrup. think that this, like a gin, like a herbal, you know, the basil's bringing some herbal natural flavors, but it's still a gimlet, so it's gonna get you where you need to go. I think you maybe don't wanna, you don't wanna be too drunk for this movie, because you're gonna get scared. So you're gonna just wanna sip on your gimlet, I think. But this is the kind of drink that I imagine that Tilda Swinton and her really chic, like mother-blanc get up, she's gonna like,

hand me a delicious cocktail and it's gonna have notes of freshly cut grass or some shit and I'm gonna take one sip and I'm gonna be convinced. I'm gonna be like, you got me. And they do, they go out to a restaurant or a bar or something and they're all drinking these cunty little German beers, which I thought were really cute, but I don't with beer, really. And I could not, my searches, figure out what...

1970s brand of German beer they were drinking. like really. And I think you should, everyone at your party needs to bring chicken wings because of that scene where Tilda Swinton is eating the chicken wing and gnawing on that bone and eating the little tendin-y bits. I thought that that was such a choice that I was like, want everyone. One person's bringing a buffalo, one person's bringing some honey mustard, somebody's bringing like a

a Chipotle spicy one. Everyone bring a different wing and we can have a little wing party. I'll bring them. I'm a ranch girl, but if you like blue cheese, you can bring your own blue cheese. I think a wing party during Suspiria would actually be really fucking funny. Yeah, that feels like very, ooh, don't like carnal. Yeah, right. And I want like the sauce. I want the sticky red sauce to be on my face and my hands when the movie ends.

The SWAMP (01:02:22.4)
Uh-huh. That's what I want. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. And what are you going to rate this? I'm going to give it a six out of 10. I'm going to give it like an eight. I really liked it. Again, I think this might be a high eight that I later will rescind to be like a soft seven later down the line in my future. I will be, I'll be hard recommending this movie to anyone who I think would enjoy that level of intensity, but like specifically for Tilda Swinton. I'm like, if you're a Tilda Swinton girl, you have to see this. Like, yeah, absolutely.

elevates her as an actress even more than I thought it could. And I will put this as one of my favorite of her performances. Not once, not twice, but thrice. Nice. I mean, yeah, her as a her as Mother Marcos, she didn't do much, but I appreciate it. But it was it was still so funny. I just appreciate that in the IMDb synopsis, it says in parentheses till it says Swinton again in a third role. Like it's like, love.

And for the third time, we get some tilde. Uh-huh, yeah. my God, well, I'm glad. I feel like we've had a very productive month. Right. Wait. In terms of...

Well, don't round it out yet, Emily, because we have one Wednesday left. my God. I didn't even realize. There are five Wednesdays this month, so we will be continuing. Fuck. We will be continuing horror movie October next week. Please continue to send us your suggestions. We've got a couple of good ones. And even if we don't cover them on the show, we usually add them to a list. And especially if there's something I've never seen before, I at least add it to my personal list and inquire, because I love to learn about.

new movies I've never seen or heard of before. So please continue to drop suggestions in our DM inboxes as well as if you're listening on Spotify, there's like little Q &A. can just like put whatever movie you think we should cover in there. Your favorites, your least favorites, whatever you think would be fun for us to talk about. I had a lot of fun watching Suspiria this week. I like genuine, like I need to watch this again. Good. And it made me also want to rewatch fucking Challengers too, because it's so different.

The SWAMP (01:04:30.764)
that. Of course. I feel like another good follow up would be challengers to be like, wow, Luca, wow, Luca, you got the range because we're doing in depth political commentary and then we're also doing gay tennis. Like it's we're balancing. We can do both. It's beautiful. Yeah. And

The SWAMP (01:04:51.79)
To conclude the episode, thank you so much for listening. Sorry we didn't really get too much into the lore of this film. There was just like a lot to talk about and also I was just like gobsmacked. There's just better YouTube videos to go watch than to hear me mumbling my way through and bullshitting it. Just go look it up. If you're here an hour plus into the pod, I don't need to justify myself to you, but I often try to stay away. I think we both try to like not just be repeats of...

other things that we've read online, right? Like, I don't want to just regurgitate IMDB facts to you. so, while this podcast may not be quite so educational, we hope you had a good time. Thank you for being here with us. As always, if you'd like to support us, we did talk about the substance on the Patreon this month, as well as we'll have some other. We have one new bonus episode every month about we try to do newer movies over there. So if you're an AMC Stuts List member, like Emily, or if you are your local movie theaters equivalent, such as I,

and you go to see new movies quite often. There's some fucking good ones coming up, bro, and I'm excited. I'm like, do I need to order my gladiator costume now? Like, probably, probably should. The popcorn bucket, I'm like into it. Yeah. But yeah, thank you for sticking around. We love you all and goodbye and good night.