Never Let Me Go

Grab a box of tissues or maybe ten, and get those scene bangs pushed to the side babe, cuz we're traveling back to 2010 to link up with dystopian organ donors Andrew Garfield, Keira Knightly, and Carrie Mulligan. 

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Speaker 2 (00:00.294)
bestie, like I was thinking I was going to complete after my last donation, but here I am still kicking. How about you? How did yours go?

I mean, donation number two didn't hit me as hard as donation number one did. I'm doing kind of okay right now, know? Breathing is hard. They did take half of my lung.

and your name is Hazel Grace and we're actually pivoting and now we're at the support group from The Fault in Our Stars.

you're in the support group. I'm in Anne Frank's attic making out with my boyfriend.

with Justin Bieber saying she would have been a Belieber. my god, not this flashbang of an intro. Hi, everyone. Welcome to The Swamp. It's our podcast. It's an acronym.

Speaker 1 (00:46.798)
for some whack ass movie podcasting.

My name is Dara. I don't know why I put so much stank on it. Dara. We're doing a little Dara, and we're doing a little morning record because we're talking about the saddest movie. Maybe next to, you mentioned Anne Frank, next to Holocaust. This movie is up there with Schindler's List as far as get the tissues ready, my god.

I'm Emily. I was gonna say...

Speaker 1 (01:02.475)
my god.

Speaker 1 (01:08.398)
This.

Speaker 1 (01:15.072)
Yeah, well it was one of those ones I think I realized quickly maybe not quickly but at least probably 50 minutes into the movie that there was not going to be a single happy moment moment moment a single happy moment

A moment.

Not a one, a happy moment for Andrew Garfield into this film. will tell you that. Anguish and agony for that.

Bear, yeah. Yeah, truly. We had never seen it. I didn't even know it was based on a book. Obviously, I think watching it, it's really easy to tell, actually. I think it was really adaptive exceptionally well. Not that I've seen or read the book, but it's one of those movies where you can just tell, like, was a book. And I feel like sometimes it doesn't always do that.

And you can tell it was a book. And I was kind of like, I want to read the book now. I was like, this is making me clue me into like, I bet that these characters have a lot of interesting insight and shit that's in the book that I'm not getting here. But it's giving me enough that I am asking questions, like wanting to know more, which I think is a good thing.

Speaker 1 (02:24.024)
Kathy H.

the age.

Speaker 1 (02:54.068)
want for besides like, you know, getting that sad mixtape from Andrew Garfield and that's it and getting stared down by Keira Knightley. Not even happy.

Yeah, no, which is sad. I think that's the point. Those were the happiest moments of her life, and they were still pretty dire. And even then, the other kids who went to other schools that weren't hailsham and didn't get the good treatment, their lives were even worse because they were just like body bags.

Yeah, devastating.

Speaker 1 (03:29.548)
Yeah, fair enough.

But yeah, sad, sad as fuck because yeah, they zoom back in time and it's just Andrew Garfield as a little boy getting bullied. Which and screaming.

Yeah, and screaming about it. What? There I think his reaction to all of this is reasonable

So yeah, yeah, he's the only reasonable person here. Actually, I would have just run into the ocean. I would have just killed myself out of spite to be like, you're not getting my kidney, bitch.

I would have Sylvia clapped myself so quick, Yeah, no.

Speaker 2 (03:59.286)
Like in the third grade, in the third grade when Sally Hawkins would came up and said, Hey, I'm going to be real with y'all right now. There it is. You're not making it past 30. Okay. I would have been like, I eat myself out the window, strangle myself with a jump rope at the school.

Girl, bye! Yeah, girl, bye!

Ugh, should we, should, I mean, for those that haven't seen this movie, and I don't know that I can say it's going to be a lot of people, this is, what, 2010? I think?

Yep, based on a book from 2005. And I believe the book is fairly popular as far as I am aware. it's a pretty well-known book. And I think, I don't know how popular this movie was because it was not a financial success. I think it did not make back its budget.

Yes.

Speaker 1 (04:46.542)
Sure.

Technically a box office flop, I feel like people talk about this movie all the time. You think? Yeah, I feel like this has been one that I've been waiting to watch for a really long time. It's like the baby love triangle Keira Knightley, Andrew Garfield, Carey Mulligan movie. I mean, yeah. white dystopian. just feel like I've known it's sad, so I've never watched it.

Yeah, it was one of those ones that I started and then I watched maybe up until Sally Hawkins told them they're all body bags and then I turned it off But yeah, no it had sat on my watch list for a long time too, and I think it's just entirely because of that cast

And I think specifically like on Tumblr in 2012, the gift sets of this movie.

Well that was more so, yeah that was more your...

Speaker 2 (05:28.666)
My corner, So that was, I was like vaguely familiar with Andrew Garfield's haircut and you were familiar with the fact that they go to the pier from the one music video.

direction here. Yeah. Yes. From you and I, which they barely spend a minute on the pier, but I clocked it so quick.

Going into it you said all I know is they're gonna go to the pier from the music video and I'm ready for it and my ass is ready for it

They barely spent any time on it. They were under the pier. I didn't get the that I wanted.

She just sat with her legs all scrunched up. She just like, Carrie Mulligan just like was sitting very demurely on the pier. then Andrew Garfield, they just like had a talk. Yeah, it was again, a sad as fuck scene. Every scene, sad as fuck. Every scene of this movie is like, hey, our situation's pretty dire, huh? Yup. Yup, Yup. We can do to make this better, huh?

Speaker 1 (06:13.036)
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:20.302)
And that's it.

Nope, nope, it's them letting down Donald Gleason saying, bitch, we don't know what you're talking about. We cannot help you.

He's like, I wanna live for just like maybe three more years. And they were like, sorry.

Yeah, hey, just so do we get fucked.

There did see, so I guess if you haven't, yeah, if you haven't seen this movie based on a book, from what I can tell, a pretty good representation, adaptation. I haven't read the book. there's Emily, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (06:54.798)
It's in what?

It's Jen's month. Yeah, my mom, we let my mother Jen pick all the movies this month and the theme of this week was dystopia and we got to choose between watching this or Gattaca. And I had just watched Gattaca not that long ago and it just was okay on a rewatch. I don't know. wasn't introduced to watch Gattaca again, like within a, you know, six month period. So it's like, let's dive into this new material. And I'm like, maybe we should have watched Gattaca because this was so, like literally had me

in tear.

I did suggest Gattaca. That one was my pick. This was yours. I hate to the finger.

I will take responsibility. Like last week, that's on you. I will take responsibility for crying on a fucking Friday night about to go out to a comedy show. Oh my to the vibes. We put this movie on and I'm misty eyed crying my makeup off.

Speaker 1 (07:36.514)
Yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:51.35)
Yeah, well, that's the thing is we made it through the whole movie and then it ends with this sad fucking shot about Carey Mulligan being like, well, they're harvesting my organs next month. I come out to this field to cry and think about all the people that in my life that would wash up here that are gone now. And like, yeah, how do you not pull your eyes out?

Yeah, yeah, it was just like, that should be like a litmus test of human emotion. That's, instead of the art gallery, they just make you watch this. And if you don't get misty eyed, they're like, to the organ factory. To the factory farm.

Yeah, we-

Speaker 1 (08:27.178)
Exactly. You obviously do not have any sort of empathy in your body if you're not crying. So.

But I actually, did not know what this was gonna be about. So all of this as it was unfolding was like kind of hitting me in real time. And this movie sort of, it's vague on purpose so that you sort of learn as it unfolds. But you sort of plunge straight in with the characters that our narrator, Kathy H., which is Carrie Mulligan, she's like, I'm a carer and this is Andrew Garfield and he's about to die. And then we get a hard flashback to when they're at school. And we get this sort of upbringing and then the

the sort of Sally Hawkins dropping the bomb that, hey, you guys are clones of other people. She didn't say that explicitly, but you know, it's sort of all inferred. Like you guys are like genetically made people and we're just gonna, you know, the government or whoever is just gonna raise you, keep you alive until you're, you know, a healthy adult. Late 20s, let's say, and then we're gonna start harvesting those organs because we got a

title card that said like 100 years ago, made a discovery that made the, or it was like 1967 or something. They made a discovery that like cured the expectancy. Yeah. The life expectancy is now well beyond a hundred. And the solution is that they have these people that they basically factory farm these people for their organs, right? Organ farms. But we get the story of the organ donors, the farm victims, I guess, the chickens, if you will. yeah, so it's their time at school.

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:03.834)
and them learning and then Keira Knightley, Andrew Garfield and Carey Mulligan getting into this sort of love triangle while they're at school. It's like he is a really emotionally eruptive young boy and they both sort of kind of come to his aid when he gets bullied and when he's upset and stuff and they both sort of console him but then Keira Knightley's character who a younger version played by Pernell or Arnold.

Oh my god, Ella Love

Speaker 1 (10:34.798)
I could spot those things from a mile away.

Fallout, what else is she in? She has any movies?

Definitely, but nothing that's coming to mind. I mean this, this movie.

But yeah, clock that 12 year old actress.

yes. Which she, I did think that her child casting was pretty good. The Kathy H one was the Andrew Garfield one. Bad. It was pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (11:00.258)
was not great. I thought that the Carrie Mulligan younger casting was really good. I thought that that little girl looked just like her. And the mannerisms, too. I'm like, that's totally she's trying to be little Carrie Mulligan. Well, yeah, I don't know how good the child acting was, but I thought the casting was pretty dead on. I don't know. The bangs, those fuck ass bangs they gave her. I'm sorry. The hair in this movie is like an entire character.

But she was acting, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (11:27.052)
It's a concern itself. It was certainly 2010.

They get into this love triangle throughout their youth while they're in school and Keira Knightley's character sort of does it like more out of spite or just like wanting to stir the pot but she ends up dating him for like a decade. Like they start being together when they're like presumably what in like 12 middle school age or we follow them like well into their early adulthood.

Something like that.

Yeah, until until Andrew Garfield is being ridden and is like apathetic about it. Could you imagine, could you imagine having Keira Knightley on top of you and just being with-

We got, right?

Speaker 2 (12:07.022)
and being bored. Yeah. Yeah, acting. Wow.

But anyways, yeah, in the book, sorry.

But I guess the book is a lot more about them like.

This movie does show their sexual exploration because then we sort of fast forward after they graduate school, they get put in these sort of cottages where from 16 up, they just sort of live and exist. And they're allowed to go on day trips to the city and stuff, but they don't really do anything. They're allowed to be carers, which is when you apply to basically just be a personal aid for a donor who's in the process of getting taken out.

So.

Speaker 2 (12:44.298)
Which is what Carey Mulligan's character ends up doing. But we sort of get to pause and take an act of the movie to be with them while they're middle-aged for them.

Yeah, like college age.

They're like, I'm gonna die eventually, so I gotta do what I can. specifically, they don't let them eat bad foods and they don't let them smoke or drink, really. So all they can really do is hang out and fuck and get porn basically. Read a book. There is more in the book about them, I guess.

Kathy H's character in the book goes off and does a lot more sexual exploration. being like, am only alive for so long and this is just like a thing. And Tommy is with Ruth, right? And I can't have that so I might as well. And then it's more about Ruth bullying Kathy like, well Tommy would never get with you because you're a slut. Like you've slept around. And it was more like that angle I think in the book.

I myself calm.

Speaker 1 (13:40.654)
because that's not at all

From my skimming of the Wikipedia. Yeah, she's more bullying her for her being like a prude or like, knowing. Or just like, I don't know.

No.

It just felt very pointed in general like obviously and you you learn further into the movie like obviously here nightly is tuned in and Like knows that Kathy and Tommy should have been together, you know It's a whole big scene and a confession and like an apology But she's a fucking bitch to carry mulligan. my god. She does some like real messed up shit She's having like really loud aggressive sex probably on purpose in the next room and then comes it

and sees Carey Mulligan again, still listening to this tape recorder that Andrew Garfield had given her like 10 years ago. And does like, you said it really best. It was like a Jennifer Lawrence kiss in American Hustle, like a hate kiss.

Speaker 2 (14:36.94)
Like an aggro, like I'm doming you in this situation. I'm gonna come in and tell you what the fuck is what. I'm gonna give you a little smooch and there's nothing you can do about it. It was very like a mean girl kiss.

He'll never love you. Your pussy is dried up. Get fucked.

Speaker 1 (14:59.438)
Which like to a point I would be very turned on if Keira Knightley did that to me, but also I would have been horrified. Karen Mulligan was crying. I would have been crying as well.

It was scary. It was scary. It was intimidating, because she is a pretty mean girl. guess the director, to sidebar, the director said it was really hard to make Karen Knightley look plain. All the people are supposed to look really plain. They just put them in very plain clothes. And he's like, yeah, just no makeup. We tried to make her hair look more greasy, but she just was so radiant and glowing. It was just hard to make her look like.

like bad for this movie. Well, no wonder they gave all of these people the fuck ass wigs that they're wearing. Right. I mean, it was the only thing that they could do at that point, you know? Andrew Garfield's was horrific until they buzz it, which is also bad. Keira Knightley has like these weird, like this weird fringe. then it's got like, it's got like a half bang almost where it's like.

It's like a Cher moment, it's like she's not, yeah, they're not styling it. So it's a good un-styled Cher haircut.

Yeah,

Speaker 2 (16:16.386)
RAGE.

Speaker 2 (16:25.954)
wolf cut but also like scene girl like scene bangs like all the back with no kind of

Speaker 2 (16:39.598)
The seniorst of seniors.

Yeah, yeah, like truly like it wraps around his entire head like a a bowl. Yeah. Headpiece. Almost like a tornado kind of just wrapping around his head continually. It's like that.

It's like a sculptural.

Speaker 2 (16:57.57)
But I feel like once they learn, once as children, they learn like, hey, you're going to be an organ donor. We're going to harvest your organs until you die about probably at like 30 something. I'm Sally Hawkins. This is the deal. I feel like from that moment on, Ruth, Keira Knightley's character, she's like, OK, well, I'm going to spend my time on this earth stirring the pot then. She's like, if I only have a short time to be here, I'm going to make it interesting. I'm going to cause some drama.

Well, yeah, I can't I can't blame her for I feel like Carrie Mulligan's character. She's like I'm gonna spend my time yearning I'll just yearn and yearn and yearn and Amy Garfield's character is like, well, I'll just scream at the sky. He's the only reasonable one. Yeah

Yes, yes, I would be him in this situation. Yeah, Ruth decides, she's like, well, if I'm gonna only have 30 years to live, I wanna get locked down with that dick.

Right, yeah, which is reasonable as well. So I'm gonna be kind of a Ruth-apologist. She's a bitch, but I'm gonna be kind of a Ruth-apologist here for a second.

totally understand her logic and her thinking. And she comes clean during this big confession and she was like, I just dated Tommy, because I didn't want to be the one left alone. I know this was really wrong of me. I'm so, so, so sorry. And they can't really

Speaker 2 (18:16.61)
is fair, which is like, like she was in the wrong and her owning up to it is like the peak of the movie where then finally, Carrie Mulligan and Andrew Garfield get to be together for the rest of the movie. And basically then the third act is just Carrie Mulligan being his like caretaker, but also boyfriend. And then they're gonna like try to get the extension to see if he can live a little longer. And then they're like, that's not a real thing. You guys are just organ donors. That's not a real thing.

And that's the movie. yeah. But the big, but the big apology, the big apology that she gives, she's like, I feel really awful. kept you guys apart, but now you guys can be together. But then she, she keeps going and it's like, like I am the worst person alive. This is my most grave mistake. Whatever, whatever.

As if Andrew Garfield didn't also play a role in this.

Were you guys not together for the better part of a decade? Like you still were together. You guys could have broken up at any moment. For her to say like, oh, I manipulated you the whole time. I'm like, I don't know, girl. Give yourself some grace, okay?

That's kind of giving like, yeah, a little bit, also like, yeah, it takes two to tango. Andrew Garfield was also here and involved and not a passive team, you know? Like he also has to be, like he didn't break up with you either.

Speaker 2 (19:39.648)
Yeah, yeah, real. I think that side of it, I was kind of like, OK, but then it was just sort of like we all move on and Kathy A. Yeah. And Tommy D get to be together, which is. And Ruth and Ruth then shortly completes thereafter, which says, I have which I got this off my chest and now we get to die. So it's a completion, a completion process.

Wuh

Speaker 1 (19:51.118)
And Ruth completes.

Speaker 1 (19:56.494)
Yeah

Speaker 1 (20:02.858)
Yes, yeah, we haven't talked about the vermidge, I guess, of this movie.

Yeah, they complete means die. And then donation, the harvesting. They put you on what they need. And they stitch you back up. it seems like a lot of them continue to live after their first and second and occasionally third donations. We see a lot of amputees. We see a lot of people who are bedridden and stuff. But they can't be taking like,

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:37.098)
lungs you can't live without your lungs so they must just be I well I suppose yeah and I guess in this future if they're putting people on like freaking iron

Take one.

Speaker 1 (20:49.102)
which like that's the whole thing is that it's like, mean, you you watch it with Keira Knightley is like, they make it obvious at the beginning, they're like, we will take your major organs. And obviously it affects them. You watch Keira Knightley with her away. She probably doesn't have like an, like, you know, fucking pancreas or some shit. No, you don't need your pancreas, right? Do you? I can't remember. Well, you need it. Well, sure, yeah. Not your appendix.

You don't- Emily, kinda need all of it.

Speaker 1 (21:19.308)
That one is useless. Exactly, exactly.

Yeah, maybe tonsils. Those... That's, I'm like, round one, you can take my adenoids, my tonsils, big toe, and I'm out.

Yeah, please. But yeah, like that's the whole thing is like you slowly like watch them wither away really and Andrew Garfield like yeah, Andrew Garfield takes his like a champ but Keira Knightley not doing too well. She wants to die.

That would be me though, one and done. They'd be like, we're just doing some light dental work. And I'm like, I see the light. And they're like, we really put you under yet, girl. And I'm like, no, I'm ready to go.

Yeah, exactly, exactly. that's, and that's like, mean, I think one of the probably at least in my opinion, one of the most like disturbing scenes is watching them take out Keira Knightley's full set of longs, plop them in the tray and you just want to the bag. Yeah. And you just want to the line, which

Speaker 2 (22:14.38)
into the box freezer.

Yeah, like you're happy for her because she did want to die, but like, Jesus Christ, that visual, like there's a lot of things in this movie I think are visually really mild and very British. That was definitely the one that like made me like jump out of my seat a little bit. Cause like, Ooh, that was rough.

Yeah, I would also say like this is like a science fiction or like dystopian futurey movie, but it does not feel like futuristic in the way that it actually feels rather like old timey and quaint and we don't see a lot of like high techy stuff because we get it just from the perspective of these like people who are a part of the system. So which I can appreciate. So I feel like rewind. Did I even mention this? Because we were talking about what a good book to movie adaptation this presumably is as

who are just inferring from watching the movie, but was written, screenplay written by Alex Garland, who, ex machina, directed and wrote that. He also, a lot of other stuff, men, what are, he did a bunch of A-20s.

He did a recent one. Shit. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:23.846)
Civil War, one with Kirsten Dunst. was that one. But he's very much, I feel, a sci-fi future dystopian stories that don't use a lot of flashy sci-fi elements. feel like that's sort of his schtick, right? I don't know. That's his vibe. So it did not surprise me at all to learn that he wrote the screenplay.

Yeah, no, totally agree with you there. Just feel very contained, I suppose. Which I think, yeah, ex machina, obviously, it's like that's the whole thing. It's in a very contained setting. don't know, I haven't.

And we don't have to learn about the whole system to understand this experience that's happening to this one person in this environment. I feel like it's a pretty cool approach, like a good approach to screenwriting.

Thanks.

Speaker 1 (24:12.46)
Yeah, totally agree with you there.

Jen, I have a bone to pick. Why the hell are you trying to make me cry in the club after watching this movie? my God, had never, neither of us had ever seen this before and we were shattered.

This was a lot, Jen. This was not something I would have expected out of you. It was a lot. It was a lot. was a... I just remember reading it and being like totally... Destroyed? Yeah. And then, I don't know, I didn't... I wasn't really into the dystopian stuff, but this was one I embraced back in the day.

So you read the book, you read the book and you really liked the book and then you also enjoyed the movie as well, obviously? Yes. Yes. And you thought it was like a pretty good book to movie adaptation? All right. Because we've been speculating about that, but obviously neither of us have read the book and we just saw the movie. So we want to just sort of pick your brain about why you enjoyed this so much.

Yes.

Speaker 1 (25:13.838)
Enjoyed? Just remembered. You know, like, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:21.292)
Jen, if we were crying at the very end of this, could imagine you watching this, you'd be crying throughout a good chunk of man. Exactly. Exactly.

Opposite of devastating, you're here to do your interim podcast segment, Chocolate or Vanilla, that we all love so much. You just pop by halfway through the episode and you just say two things and we all say which one we like better. It's a hoot, it's a holler. Is there a theme this week?

So kind of. First of all, thanks for having me. This will be my COVID edition though.

Everyone send some healing energy through the podcast Airwaves to Jen.

So these are since the book was 2005 and the movie was 2010 some of these are things from 2005 versus 2010. And then some of them at the end are movies that had three or more people who've ever been nominated for an Oscar.

Speaker 2 (26:16.006)
Okay. Yeah, so so many people in this movie, right? Because also Sally Hawkins and also has Donald Gleeson been nominated for an Oscar? deserves it if he has it.

Honestly, but

I love a little mixed bag theme. All right, let's get into it.

Okay so Star Wars, Revenge of the Sith or Inception? So movie from 05, movie from 2010.

chocolate.

Speaker 1 (26:49.966)
And do we, do we want to, I'm sorry, do we want to

That's funny, that's funny. No, no, that's okay. Go for it.

So chocolate and then, I guess, probably, Revenge of the Sith, I'll pick Revenge of the Sith.

Yeah, yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (27:11.743)
I love me some interstellar, but yeah, I love a Star Wars prequel.

We're gonna, you know, if we're starting off this way, I'm gonna go for the luxury. I'm gonna say chocolate and then I'm also gonna go with Revenge of the Sith. Okay, I'm gonna go chocolate too and I will go also Revenge of the Sith because I didn't understand inception. And that's fair. Next one is American Hustle or Silver Linings Playbook. Multiple Oscar-nom movies.

you

Speaker 2 (27:37.742)
I'm

I've never seen Silver Linings Playbook and I do not care to unless Emily holds me at gunpoint and makes me watch it for this podcast, I have no interest. That day may come and I will reserve, I will reserve space for it if need be. But just it's not on my radar and American Hustle I thought was fine and had Christian Bale in it. So I'll pick that one.

I'm gonna go ahead and say Silver Linings playbook Jennifer Lawrence is of course phenomenal and that much well deserved that Oscar and also because the Eagles just won the Super Bowl and that is a huge point of the plot for that movie. I'm gonna go yeah Silver Linings for Robert De Niro.

Did you guys watch the big game?

Speaker 2 (28:28.97)
wow, I'm outnumbered. did not. I saw some clips on Twitter though this morning and I got the recaps. I got the highlights. how, what's the consensus? Did we enjoy it?

It was a pretty boring game, honestly. Yeah, it was a blowout. There wasn't close at all. so it was just kind of like I was on my phone making sure that the chiefs weren't sporing and that was it.

Yeah.

It was fine. Kendrick was good. Yeah, I'm gonna pick, I'm gonna go American Hustle though because I didn't think Silver Linings was that good a book or a movie. Sorry. fair enough. I didn't see, I didn't know it was a book actually. Yeah.

Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (29:12.078)
Well, it's called Silver Linings,

Well, yes. Let's see, next one. Cargo pants or biker shorts? So fashion from 05 or 10.

Biker shorts in 20 or biker shorts big in 2010. I feel like biker shorts are also kind of back now. Biker shorts. know, like, like they come to just above your knee and they're like kind of fitted. They're like athletic like biker shorts.

yes yes yes yes I know

And then what was my option from 05? Sorry. Cargo pants. also rock a cargo pant on occasion. I love a lot of pockets, but I like a bicycle. What are they called? Bicycle pants? Bicycle shorts? Biker shorts? I'll pick the biker shorts.

Speaker 1 (29:45.282)
Cargo Pills.

Speaker 1 (29:53.324)
or short.

I go like your shirts on this one. Princess Diana, you know, obviously that sort of style. Undeniable. I will go with Cargo Plants. Gold Digger by Kanye or Dynamite by Teo Cruz.

Wow. And in a world where I will choose the objectively worst thing because fuck Kanye West and fuck everyone who is apologizing for Kanye West and letting him continue to just be in the public eye. Like, oh my fucking god. Yeah. Gold Digger is an okay song. Graduation was a pretty good album. Kanye made some pretty good music back in the day, but he needs to be put down. He to shut the fuck up. He needs to...

That's it.

Yeah, be put away. So, oh my God. Yeah, Teo Cruz. Like an unproblematic favorite.

Speaker 1 (30:47.726)
Absolutely, have to jump on this train with Dara. Teo Cruz for this week. Next one is everything everywhere all at once or the favorite.

just for like big Oscar casts.

Yeah, three or more nominated.

I will pick everything everywhere all at once, although I will say that this is both are really great movies.

tough one, but everything everywhere does have a soft spot in my heart. Same, thought this would be a tough one, but I'll go with everything. Photograph by Nickelback or Misery by Maroon 5.

Speaker 2 (31:22.03)
Oh, Nickelback is awful, but Maroon 5 is also kind of awful. But Maroon 5 was like, okay. At a certain point in time, Maroon 5 was like, unoffensive and fine enough, I guess. So I guess I'll pick Misery.

I'm gonna go Nickelback on this one for the meme of it, I guess. Okay, I'll go Nickelback. I saw Nickelback and Doctree in concert.

That is a meme. That's a real life. That's a meme that happened to you.

And my high school friend got in a fight with somebody. have no idea why. can't even remember. my god.

That's yeah, that makes that checks at the dodgy

Speaker 1 (32:03.822)
Next one, three billboards or Oppenheimer.

Speaker 1 (32:12.622)
Yeah, I guess I'll go Oppenheimer on this one. I'll go Oppenheimer also. Next one, the iPod Shuffle or the Lady Gaga meat dress.

Both were very impactful. Yeah. Both the iPod Shuffle, I, the iPod Nano was a bit more revolutionary to me personally as the shuffle, you know, I do, I actually do still listen to my music though. I just put my library on shuffle though. Did the iPod shuffle orchestrate how I listened to music for the rest of my life? Maybe. So I guess I'll pick that because I bet that meat dress smelled crazy.

Yeah, really

Speaker 1 (32:31.054)
there.

Speaker 1 (32:44.558)
Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 1 (32:50.286)
Certainly true, but I'm gonna choose the meat dress for her iconic nature.

mhm. lady gaga reheated her nachos, we are so course. back. abracadabra, we're so fucking back.

I'm gonna go with the shuffle. I loved my shuffle. And last one, MySpace or Facebook? MySpace.

It died when it needed to and we let it rest. think that's beautiful. yeah, fuck Facebook. Fuck all of it.

Yeah, I've never been on either of these, but I will go MySpace.

Speaker 2 (33:29.344)
Is it Jen's subtle flex that she's better than her? god. I've never been on social media before.

no.

Speaker 1 (33:36.78)
I'm not really one of those people. No, can't can't be bothered. Can't relate. And that is it for my condolences.

Quick in and out. That's okay. You're sick. Yeah, you did let us express some opinions here today. Exactly. And us watch this really fucking sad, but objectively pretty good movie.

That was good. Like you worth seeing. Glad you saw it. Yeah. Yeah.

For sure. yeah. Well, and thank you, we love you, and we'll see you next week.

Okay, I love you guys. Have an awesome night. Bye Jen. Bye.

Speaker 2 (34:12.231)
Garfield looks haggard and how he really can just donate like a champ but he just keeps donating and like he's fine.

And honestly, feel like, Cathy gets a bunch of deferrals, not actual deferrals, but Cathy gets to sort of delay her start of her donations because she's a carer. So after she gets confronted by Keira Knightley about, you are nothing. You will never be with Andrew Garfield. She basically applies to be a nurse. And she's like, peace out. I'm not going to see you guys for another 10 years because I'm going to do nurse training. She basically gets to drive around the country and like,

hang out and be like, a personal aide. Who are in their organ donation process, which is so fucking sad. But she also, we get a lot of lines about her being like, I like finding a purpose in this short time I have in the world. like, I like feeling like I can make an impact. Which is, yeah, so fucking crazy to get into that level of like, how would you feel if you knew they were gonna chop you at 30?

help people die.

Speaker 1 (35:13.886)
Yeah, right.

total different life perspective to think about and the way that they all deal with it is very different.

But she gets to like delay her process a little bit because she's this nurse. seems like because Gere Knightley and Andrew Garfield both start going through their donations and she gets to kind of just like hang back a little bit. So she has to watch them both die basically. And then at the very end she's like, and now I'm going to start mine. But I kind of wanted to make the argument if I was going to like step in and be like, Hey, if you want to practice your speech, because the, once they finally get together, they go to the house of the madam who ran the art gallery at their

elementary school and they thought that maybe she was like collecting art to see which kids were like maybe gifted and

saved, which is their assumption. That was their interpretation of getting their artwork taken as children. But then they get there, and that's the big bomb of like, we were just housing you with a little bit of humanity to try to prove to the outside world that you guys were worth taking care of, whereas at other places, it was like dire conditions. So they were like, we just produced this artwork to show that you guys had humanity even in you at all.

Speaker 1 (36:30.562)
Yeah, I think the line was like, no, this gallery and this artwork wasn't to like look into your souls. This was to see if you had them.

Yeah, wild. And so Andrew Garfield... This is where it's hurting to get emotional! Over the years, Andrew Garfield was like, they never took any of my art as a kid, so they're not gonna know me when we go to ask to not die. So I have to learn how to do art so he spends all his time in his recovery hospital rooms drawing.

crashes out

yeah, this is horrible.

Speaker 1 (37:05.486)
and making beautiful art.

There's all these drawings because he's like, they need a submission from me. So sad. And then they go and he tries to show this lady his art and she's like, I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about. This is not a real thing. But I, at this moment, I would have been like, lady. This is presumably after his third. He's done three. Is it after his second or after?

I think second.

After second? Okay, and he goes in and he does presumably die after the third. Yeah, after this. So I guess it wouldn't have worked out either way. But I feel like there should be a contract for if you make it after three and you want to live, you can sign something. Like if you're like, this is awful not having major organs, I want to go. Sure. They can just do a fourth and boot you. I feel like...

Yeah, right?

Speaker 2 (37:56.302)
After three? After three and if they still want to live? I'm like, let them go. Let them go after three. Is that too much to ask?

Would you want to? Okay, because here's the thing, if you're in this position, I think I would just want to, I don't think I would be a carer. I don't think I could deal with the death that's already coming for me and then surrounding myself with it, not for me. I'd be fucking around doing the same thing that Kathy Aitch did in the book, getting dicked down, figuring my shit out. And then I'm hoping that I die after my first.

first one. Donation. for real. I would say being the carer is really just too specifically sad, but if they gave them options to like do other things, like you do something.

That's I do

Speaker 1 (38:46.507)
To the ones that had their eyeballs plucked out

Yeah, right, right. Yeah. Can I like, I'll do, I'll do stand up for the ones who just all went blind or something like.

Yeah, something like that.

Right, yeah, give back to the community. Because I really did understand Kathy H when she's like, no matter how dire all of this feels, you still have to like feel like you do something. Like you still have to get up in the morning and do something to feel like a person.

Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (39:15.39)
That really resonated with me. That's what this whole movie is about, is feeling like a person, right? When you know when you have this destiny, what do you make of your personhood during the time you have? how do you navigate that looming expiration date? And is it worth it to get involved in love at all? Because it just seems to be so fucking heartbreaking, but it's like, what did they have if not each other? Wow, a beautiful meditation on the human condition.

Yeah? But, but it was just so-

Truly. So sad. So brutally sad. Well, I would say, okay, for me, the happiest moment of this entire movie was watching Andrew Garfield run down to the boat with his little hands tucked. His run, my God. You know when you watch someone run and you can just tell they have their little hands balled up into fists, like holding onto their sweater sleeves? Well, especially-

Especially because they were on the beach and you could tell because they were in England that it's cold as f**k. I'm like, oh my god, it was a chilly little day down there and he's running out to the boat.

Of course.

Speaker 1 (40:17.485)
It was so cute.

Speaker 1 (40:21.516)
That was my favorite scene, watching him crawl around the boat like a little boy.

watching him die on the operation.

Not that specifically. I love Andrew Garfield and we got to see him British in this one, so.

I often forget he's British because of how often he isn't. Yeah. I feel like he's never. But these days, more so.

Speaking of Andrew Garfield, did you see Miss Chicken Shop Date Amelia Demoldenburg has a new boyfriend and it's not Andrew Garfield? It's some predator.

Speaker 2 (40:56.974)
I was just gonna say, isn't he an abuser? All I saw was the tweet being like, ew, he's an abuser. And I didn't read anything further than that or fact check any of that information. But I believed it because I believe when people say a famous man has abused his power, that is like, well, yeah, obviously.

Adam Faiz? I don't know.

What's his deal?

Speaker 1 (41:22.99)
he dated Olivia Rodrigo. That already makes me unsettled because she is a child.

Right, he dated Olivia Rodrigo and she was far too young for that to be appropriate. Right.

Yeah, something like that. I don't know, but whatever. Amelia's loss, unfortunately. I would have loved to see those two get together. That shit was electric, honestly.

I know everyone like was yearning for the rom-com for a hot moment in time. who just got who just got cast in a rom-com but then it was like directed by Lena Dunham and so then everyone's really

I would have thrown money at it.

Speaker 1 (42:10.336)
Yeah, hold on. No, who was it? Natalie Portman. That's crazy.

Natalie Portman and Lena Dunham-Romcom. OK, yeah. I actually don't need any part of that.

Follows a woman who falls for a Brooklyn hipster in his 20s just as she begins a promising relationship with a successful businessman in his 50s Why are we still using the word hipster today? Those don't exist anymore. don't exist anymore. That is a bygone era Lena Dunham

my god. Stick We call them elder millennials now. We call them elder millennials. If you're still wearing an infinity scarf and a fucking, I don't even, what would you even quantify you as a hipster? Like a little mustache. If you have a little mustache tattoo on the side of your finger.

Well at that point we just take you out back and shoot you in the back of the head.

Speaker 1 (43:04.11)
But yeah, something like that. I don't know. That's... That feels icky to me. But Lena Dunham feels icky to me in general. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Speaking of... There's been a lot of Oscar drama. Maybe not a lot, but certainly.

Yeah, I mean, there's always Oscar drama. Yeah. But I mean, as always, Emilia Perez just continues to crash out. I love Which we knew. Like, it's almost like I feel like I have a theory that this was made on purpose as a spectacle to generate this sort of controversy. I feel like we all know this movie was not genuine to begin with. Sure. this French man making this.

Spanish movie. The whole thing is just a dumpster fire. I almost am like, now I'm putting my tinfoil hat on because Miss Carla Sofia Gascon, the trans actress who's the lead in the film, a bunch of stuff got unsurfaced, a bunch of really problematic stuff she said in the past, but the recent enough past that people were like, whoa. And it was Nazi stuff, right?

Maybe two years ago?

Speaker 1 (44:16.227)
I think it was like, it was just so- Yeah, like saying dehumanizing like, middle eastern people.

racist. Deeply racist.

Speaker 2 (44:25.538)
Right, and also saying that the Oscars seem like an Afro-Korean protest festival. A lot of weird off-handed comments that just...

Sure.

Speaker 1 (44:37.518)
I love the one that was her shitting on Selena Gomez though.

Oh my god, I didn't see that. Oh yeah. It was kind funny.

I was talking about how she's a bad actress and like how the media talks. I don't know. Just is always on her about her relationship and no one cares. Yeah, some shit like that, which also honestly she cleared her. But yeah, it's I didn't actually do the deep dive. I don't think I read any of the actual tweets. I just know that they're pretty fucked up.

Yikes.

Speaker 2 (45:11.678)
Right, yeah, yeah. The cancellation seemed valid across the board, of course. but you

Yeah, we talked about this beforehand Netflix is

Yeah, just like the immediate dismissal of her from the staff, seems, to just not include her in any more press stuff. Or it seems like award it. Will she be at the award shows?

She's not being funded by Netflix, any of her travel, any of her expenses like that, so she'll have to pay out of pocket if she...

Like they cut her off. And it seems like, they're just like, they're making a statement like, hey, we're distancing ourselves from her. This is we openly address that it's like disconnecting, which is all good and fine. But it does just like obviously sit a little the wrong way with all of us when.

Speaker 2 (46:00.168)
so many abusers and people who do shitty stuff and say shitty stuff are openly presented, given these awards, not just invited to the shows. Roman Polanski. like letting them get up on stage and make speeches and shit. And the dismissal of Carla is fine, but you have to hold everyone to that standard. Then, and just the way that they were so quick to dismiss a trans woman, but they would never treat a cis.

het white man, or really so many other people in the industry that they would just never treat this way. And that's not in defense of her. It's just a glaring obvious way that this was handled that is not the standard. And I'm like, well, why isn't it? Then if it was that easy for you to cut her off, then you can cut off everyone else who has abuse allegations against them as well.

Let's keep this energy going. Let's keep... Girls.

That's the issue then, Netflix. pissing me off, obviously. And then Zoe Saldana is still like, prospective to win Best Supported Actress. She's generally the favorable choice at this moment. It is just such a weird mixture of the way that this movie is in the current conversation, because it's just like, it's so confusing.

Yeah. Well-

Speaker 1 (47:13.687)
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (47:27.33)
Do we like it? Do we not like it? No, we don't like it. Why are we still celebrating it? It's not, we don't like it. We're no longer pretending that we like this movie.

Hollywood.

Yeah, it pisses me off, but...

Yeah, I mean in later news, Timothy Chalamet continues to stun in the most heartbreaking and earnest Oscar campaign that I have ever seen. He's in Tokyo hanging out. He looks phenomenal. I'm geeked on it.

He's shooting for the moon and he's gonna land amongst the stars, babe, because you're not winning that award, but you did get to wear some cutie outfits along the way, didn't

Speaker 1 (48:06.766)
Exactly, exactly. He was posted up with that little monkey chain. I said, I'm here for it. I still haven't seen the fucking movie.

Sure. Yeah. Yeah, sure.

I've seen it twice now, actually. And I still think that he should be nominated for Dune II instead of this. His performance in Dune II is far superior to his performance in Bob Dylan. But maybe, I don't know, whatever, whatever.

Sure, I'm sure. Yeah, who's this I? Should we regularly sketch? Just get into it?

Yeah, I guess so. It's so hard to fuck, marry, kill the three main characters of this movie because are we just doing it within the pretext that we are also organ donors? dying. Let's add ourselves in as a fourth member of this love triangle. Let's make it a love quadrangle.

Speaker 1 (48:47.336)
I'm gonna die. Are we? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:54.766)
I'm taking Karen Knightley off of his hands. I'm making this good for everyone. I'm getting really like I'm I'm I'm fully involved in the sex kind of person I'm not just laying there like Andrew Garfield. Yeah, yeah Yeah, we're gonna let out for like five years and then maybe we die like holding each other's hands, you know Yeah, one of those things. I'll let the other Yeah, so I guess I'll marry her. I'll Maybe I don't even know

Maybe fuck Andrew Garfield, but it's just like, I let him tell me what he's interested in and actually he can have some time to explore what he really wants, because he did not seem taken with Keira.

I guess I have to-

Do I have to kill Kathy H? Yeah. I think it would save her a lot of pain, honestly. She just watched her two old friends die. So I think in my world, I'll make her die first so she doesn't have to go through that.

I feel like I'm going to take a similar stance, but I'm going to do a different thing from you. And I'm going to marry Kathy H. And I'm just going to solve the situation. I'm just going to be her partner so she doesn't feel so lonely all the time. She doesn't have to yearn after Andrew Garfield because I'm here for you, babe. And I'm going to be with Carrie Mulloch and Kathy H. And I'll maybe also get a scene haircut so we can be scene girlfriends in the Oregon farm together. That seems about a good-of-way to pass the time as anything.

Speaker 1 (50:06.753)
See ya.

Speaker 2 (50:23.978)
And then I think, yeah, similarly, I will fuck Keira Knightley because she seemed like she wanted to have a good time. And if she wants to be a mean, manipulative bitch to me, then I think that that is fine.

She can do it in the bedroom.

Then I am here for that and then I'm gonna kill Andrew Garfield because again you made a good point He was complicit in all this as well Ruth Why are you taking so much guilt on yourself Tommy you were literally with her for 10 years? And if you really love her you have to be like dude I'm gonna die at 30 you can't spend 10 years dating a girl. You don't actually like that much like that's on you as well So I'm gonna kill your ass

Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough.

And then out of the whole movie, I'm gonna marry Sally Hawkins after she drops that bomb on the children and we can open our own sanctuary school for the Oregon children or something. Because she seems to have it like going the right way. fuck. Donald Gleason.

Speaker 1 (51:16.958)
Yeah, morals.

Speaker 1 (51:22.966)
Yes. Yeah. Yeah, sure, why not?

Sure. And then I'll kill, I don't know, who's a bitch?

the headmistress.

I'll kill the headmistress.

god, yeah. Yeah, definitely marrying Sally Hawkins. I'm still gonna fuck Keira Knightley and kill, I'll kill Cathy. I'll stick with that.

Speaker 2 (51:55.116)
Who? RIP. RIP Cathy H.

And then, I mean, we talked about this before, but like this isn't really a movie that you eat and drink with.

Yeah, it's like so, it's so, so goddamn sad that it's like I'm sick to my stomach.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'll make a snack for just about anything, but this is like tea. The only thing I think I can consciously tell you to drink is maybe like a chai or like a London Fog, something really nice and actually just gonna warm your soul and your spirit a little bit.

Yeah, I feel like maybe like a like a white bean kale soup like something super like just

Speaker 1 (52:35.948)
and hearty.

What are they feeding these organ donors to keep them healthy but also just alive? They don't need to drive. just, yeah, yeah, like a brothy soup and some toast. Sad cup of tea. Yeah, a really warm, brothy meal, I think, is what? Like hospital food. Like actually maybe like a jello cup.

That's about it.

Speaker 1 (52:59.446)
Yeah, think Panera.

yeah, just order out Panera. Honestly.

That actually might be, that might be your best bet. The half soup, half sandwich and call it a day. And then, and then you get the charged lemonade that they don't serve anymore. And that's the thing that actually kills you.

That's kind of a vibe.

Speaker 2 (53:20.014)
was gonna say, get the charged lemonade which would kill Kathy H. Which would put Kathy H. on her ass.

Yeah, yeah, truly. God, what do you watch after this? I didn't even think this far. The Shape of Water, honestly.

that could be that could be like, let's get Sally Hawkins.

Cause I want more Sally and we don't get a lot of her in this but if she's gonna be somewhere she's showing up in a British sci-fi So I think I'm gonna go I think I'm gonna go in shape of water actually

trying think of another organ donation movie. Like, My Sister's Keeper? No, that's awful. That's an awful suggestion.

Speaker 1 (53:58.208)
God!

Speaker 1 (54:03.758)
That's one that I watch on my reels every now and then. That like comes up a lot.

Do you know what, so the author of the book, Kazuo Ishiguro, he also wrote The Remains of the Day. And do you know this? It's a really famous book and then it was made into a movie and I think Anthony Hopkins is in it. familiar. Emma Thomas Remains of the Day, but I had never seen it.

Yes, yes.

But if it's based off of another book written by this Ishii Goro, I feel like I'm interested in Because this concept is pretty unique and interesting to me. So I would be interested in checking out the movie adaptation of his other book, Remains of the Day. I've never seen it. I believe it's from the 90s. Sure. And then what are you going to give this out of 10? I'm going to give it a 6.0.

guys

Speaker 1 (54:48.898)
Get behind them.

Speaker 2 (55:01.278)
Seven five. It's almost a seven. It's like a three and a half star.

I it a 3. Yeah. So I guess 6.

out of 10, but I feel like I did really like it. And was really different and it was unlike anything I'd seen before. And I understand its place in the canon. Because it's interesting because it's dystopian, but it's not quite YA dystopian because we do get them into adulthood a little bit. But I could understand why the book might be conflated with YA material because we do follow them in their young adulthood for the majority of the story. But I don't think this book, as a library employee, I don't think this book would be categorized in a general section. think they would put this just in normal face.

Speaker 2 (55:42.83)
As far as like, yeah, YA adaptations, yeah, this definitely felt like way different, not as YA, but like dystopian, know? More YA stuff, which feels a little bit more like hokey, divergent that we just covered and even like Hunger Games and stuff. I don't know. This was just like a cool, different take. And so I did like it. So I'll actually give it a seven. I really did like this one. And I the performances, it was really interesting to see like 25 year old Andrew Garfield, Cary Mulligan, Keira Knightley, because they all just revered actors.

Yeah, sorry.

Speaker 2 (56:12.924)
that it was like cool to see really good performances from them at such a young age as well because it's like of course they've always been like consummate professionals like all of them across the board I respect as actors and would say that I like to have stuff in their body of work that I enjoy yeah everyone in this movie really this is great

Certainly.

Speaker 1 (56:32.574)
Amazing cast. think it, yeah, I really liked the pacing of this movie. It's just, it's really gray and it's really sad. Not gonna be something that I watch again, probably in less than 10 years, but hopefully again, eventually, and you know, maybe I'll get something else that knew out of it whenever that is.

sad yeah it

Speaker 2 (56:55.15)
This feels to me kind of like one that might be good to put on when you're sick and on the couch. Yeah. And you're like only like at 30 % mental capacity. But you put this movie on because in the background you're like damn, like my nostrils may be congested as fuck and I can't really breathe right now. But at least I'm not a fucking organ donor. God, Kathy H. Right? me and my mom watching this movie. It feels like feels like you could be a

Good idea actually.

is sick movie. is a sick movie. Yeah.

Like a sympathy sick movie. Real. A little too real.

Well thank you all for tuning in.

Speaker 2 (57:33.15)
Yeah, we're continuing Jen month. And we're just going to let Jen continue to pick the movies. But if you have suggestions for what you think we should talk about, sign into our DMs. I know lately I've been saying this often, but it seems like we're not active on social media because we're not. But we do check our DMs. I still check it and shit, and I get notifications when you guys comment and message us and stuff. So please don't stop doing that just because we've stopped posting. Just because I feel so dire and going on those apps makes me feel so crazy, so I just don't

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