Ghost

Kicking off Patrick sMAYze month with the iconic 1990 film Ghost! Get that pottery wheel going cuz we're about to solve our own murder through the medium that is Whoopi Goldberg.

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Four million dollars? How will you take that? 10s and 20s? A cashier's check. I think a cashier's check will do.

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Ha!

No one knows, but Dara and I were just going back and forth about whether or not we can quote this movie in Whoopi's, was it affectation? I was just, know, I was gonna open with a Molly, you're in danger girl, kind of opening quote. Molly, you are in danger girl. In danger girl. Like I am white. Much like Sam Wheat, I am white. So I can't be doing too much of a Whoopi before it starts to get into some Sam Wheat.

Say it, sandwich, Yeah, no, was really trying to pump you up for that. Thank you. This was even more appropriate though. That's probably my favorite scene in this whole movie is her at the bank. I don't know. In that fuchsia fucking outfit. That's, well, yes.

I'm so obsessed. I don't know. I feel like I couldn't possibly pick a favorite part of her in this movie. Just from the minute she steps on screen. Yeah, until the very end. shows up in this like... Absolutely. It's like a LeMay.

like robe. It's like glistening in the light and she shows up and you she's doing her fraudulent, tarot readings or whatever. Just whoopie in her prime. Egot whoopie. We're going to talk today about Ghost. Guess what? This podcast that you're listening to, it's called The Swamp, which is an acronym. Stay up for some whack-ass movie podcasting.

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Two minutes into the show, I'm being prompt. Today, we're introducing ourselves. Hi, my name is Dara. I love the movie Ghost. I'm Emily. I have never seen the movie Ghost or haven't until now. And we're kicking off this month's theme. Sorry about last week. Had to take a week off. I had a Costco hot dog cause me to throw up while I was at the theater seeing Revenge of the Sith. my God. That's what happened. Dara.

I pre-gamed Revenge of the Sith with a Costco hot dog and... That's already pushing it. Because I know you get the slushie and you get the popcorn still, Oh yes, of course. For Revenge of the Sith. Oh no, was... Padme was telling Anakin that she was pregnant. So we're like six minutes into the film. Not even. No, that intro scene is very long. It's like 10 minutes maybe. I'd say 20 minutes. The intro scene is honestly...

probably like the best thing to see in the theater. So not about time to just like watch the first 10 minutes. And then Padme is like, I want to keep these babies. And Anakin's like, Absolutely girlfriend. I decided to at a beat of dead silence, hork up so much. But to my own credit, no vomit on me or the chair into my popcorn. And then I paused and then into my slushie and then I paused and then into Henry's slushie.

He said, Dara, he said, Dara, we've got to go. And then in another deadbeat of silence, I say to him at full volume, give me a fucking second. then I'm like. And then I. I thought my theater experience for that was rough because I had to tell them to turn the lights on 20 minutes in. You fucking. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Real bad. So we had to take a week off the pod.

I was say I mean it.

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It's impressive enough that you had enough containers to do that. My friend Gavin, who was sitting next to me, I had a small popcorn, so I leveled the small popcorn. And then I go for the slushie and then he tries to hand me his large popcorn and I like look at it for a second and then I push it away and I just fill the second slushie. Cause I was like, no, I'm like, I'm not going to like impede your theater experience. Cause then I just got to.

I dealt with my shit and I left and I went home. And Gavin got his popcorn. Yeah. shit, bitch. I didn't realize it was that bad. Yeah, it was awesome. Cause you were down for the count for like, we tried to record for like a couple of days. my god. Sorry, not to TMI at the beginning of Ghost about my... Dude, big booms for the Costco hot Zero. It was a doom. It was a doom. was doom.

did get a double chunk chocolate cookie as well. I got the hot dog and I got the cookie. There it is. And there it is folks. Dang, that sucks. As is tradition on this podcast, we will be doing a theme this month that is a pun about the name of the month May. And we will combine it with the name of an actor. And we have canonically chronologically in the past done Ewan May Greger.

Yep. Paul Mayno, May Roll Streep, a May Adams. And now for a lovely fifth installment, I present to you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Patrick Mazee. Patrick, Patrick Mazee. You just flip that W around, Shottie. Patrick Mazee is what we're going with, which honestly.

was pretty proud of because I thought we were going to go in a direction of like, the puns keep getting worse. I this pun is actually kind of back up to you and May Greger. You did a good job with this. were kind of, we went to New York for like my birthday, bullet weekends ago and we were kind of racking our brain for most of the trip because we knew this was coming up. We weren't coming up with anything that really like stuck.

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I think the best we had was like Zenmaya and that was it. Not even. It's really all about picking someone with a beefy enough discography that we haven't also already covered too much of. we get really good suggestions a lot, but I'm like, damn, like we've covered every Emma Stone movie. Like what else would we do? But so I feel like we felt like Patrick Swayze was a good one and we've done some really iconic. cracked a gem on that. iconic ones that we've been meaning to get around to such as.

as Ghost and Dirty Dancing and we'll probably do Roadhouse and then also a lovely fourth alternate, whatever we think might be in there. We have already covered To Wong Fu, so go listen to that if you haven't already listened to it, because we love that movie. Would definitely be covering it this month if we had not already been, but we love Patrick Swayze, Rest In Peace to a Legend and a Nikon. And I think we're going to get to cover some really fucking great movies this month, so I'm pumped. I'm pretty stoked. Yeah, I think just a lot that I haven't seen in general.

as well, so. And so to speak on Ghost, what was your like, so what was your cultural like knowledge and then what was your viewing experience? I knew Whoopi, I knew Demi, I knew Patrick Swayze, and I knew the scene with the pottery, of course. And that was it, really. I knew that he died and I knew that Whoopi and Demi teamed up to talk to him. And that was it. I knew the basic beats.

But beyond and I knew that what we had won the Oscar for it. So I knew I was ready to buckle up. I didn't know the gender envy that I would feel watching this movie. I also cried, obviously, watching this movie, because I think if you don't, that says something about you. Also, the crunchy CGI was so fucking beautiful. This is I.

What year did this come out? Like 93? Flat 90. Oh my god. Perfect. Perfect time. This is like around when it, I mean really when CGI was like just kicking off. So you get the real crunch on it. It was beautiful. I loved it. As a ghost when he like passes through another human and they show

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like what he sees POV or Patrick Swayze ghost face walking through another human. it's just like, it's like bubbly red, just like vaguely like fleshy looking as it goes through. But it's also like weirdly smooth, like an MS like paint background. It's just so beautiful. It's so beautiful. It's that it's also for me, it was there's a scene in particular where he's like,

moving fast through the city and like jumping through subway cars looking for someone. And it's the jumping through subway cars, like the slow-mo ballerina leap from him from one car to the other. You like trains? Get out! This is mine! I love the ghost train, the train ghost. He's the best part of the movie for me. This doesn't shock me at all.

He's just mucking his business. I feel like if you were condemned to a life in purgatory like this, I think you would also start to take one. the train. Something similar to a train ghost. Yeah, he's just riding that train. Oh my God, then he, you think they pushed me? You think I jumped? You don't think they pushed me? It wasn't my time.

The immediate defensiveness. crunchy CGI really did a lot for me. But I will say the design of the demon ghosts or spirits that come up to drag you to hell when you've been a bad, terrible person on earth was crazy. If I saw that as a kid, I would be scared shitless, dude, because that

actually, like, wow, there was so much crunchy, crunchy CGI. It didn't feel crunchy or bad. It felt really like, like, genuinely scary. Yeah, genuinely scary and like actually well integrated into it. So that was interesting. Yeah, hard to agree. This is a Christian film. This is this film canonically establishes that there is heaven and there is hell.

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And you get into one or the other. we see several characters get dragged to hell by these like specter force demons. it's the sound design for me. It's they make this like awful noise while they drag while they drag them while they drag Carl and Willy Lopez to hell. When Willy Lopez gets hit by six cars in a row, he gets hit by a car and then he stumbles into more oncoming traffic and just gets plowed.

Well, speaking of Christianity, before we get into this, can we talk about the conclave that is currently occurring here and now? Right, yeah, we're in it. All I know personally is that, I mean, it's Catholicism. Well, of course. People talking about it, it's like the whole world. like not like the majority of the Earth is not affected by this. This is not that big of a deal.

Especially even like in America talking like Donald Trump talking about it. It's like dude, you're a Protestant. Like I do not understand why this conversation is even. You're fake Catholic. You're not. Get out of here. Right. All I know is that we're really rooting for the Filipino one. Him or Zoopy man. Zoopy. Abzoopy is the other one on the one infograph that I read that said that they are the most left. I have quickly.

fallen down the rabbit hole of Pope Crave on- Pope Crave is at, they got the press credentials. so now Pope Crave from Twitter is now at the Vatican. There were baby seagulls sitting up at the smokestack today. Apparently they made actually the Cardinals wa- I can't tell if this is actually true, but I swear that I saw something that was like, yeah, so many Cardinals are new since Pope Francis and haven't been here for a conclave.

So they made these bitches watch Conclave. The movie, my God, they did a screening. I think they did a screening for the Cardinals. think they might have. You don't get to be a Cardinal without having a sound understanding of how your government works. I feel like they know. I think you have an understanding. one of those things, it's like when you vote for the first time. I guess. The first time I voted. How often do they all get to have like,

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Cardinal appreciation. Let me tell you about this. The first time I ever cast a vote legally, you know, in America to participate in the voting system, the woman who is working the ballot, she was like, she was like, do you want to see my jacket? And I was like, yeah, sure. And it was like a Bruno Mars, like tour, like, like bomber jacket. And she's like, this is my son's. He gave it to me as a gift, but this is my son's jacket. He's Bruno Mars's bodyguard.

And I was like, what? And then like the jacket was like custom like for his team. And she was telling me all about how her son is like on Bruno Mars's security detail and how she is always telling her son, she's like, you got to tell Bruno he's got to make a Christmas album. And I was just like, I'm just here to vote in a local election, ma'am. But it was really lovely. Like, I will never forget that. She is right. He would crush a Christmas album and that would get him out of some of that gambling debt. I think, I think she.

I hope that message made it to him, but obviously not. It's been years since then. We have way back in 2019 when I voted a local election in Dorchester. Oh wow. Ghost. I love this movie. So glad we were talking about it. It's one of my faves. It's one you can just throw right on. It's definitely one that's like, you you stop on it if it's playing on TV. And the thing about this film that is just like on a

broad level is just like it is correct is that it's like every genre right because you're talking about this movie it's like paranormal murder murder mystery paranormal like actually kind of scary romance drama comedy suspense like i what does it one more it really is what more could i could i want and it's doing all of those things successfully and thoroughly like i actually laugh i actually cry i

actually like am feeling the suspense and on like a screenwriting level, this movie works so well because in every single scene, you know everyone's motivations and just having like the spectral Sam Wheat like be this third observer you see like you see right through Carl right away. So then you're like.

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I know where Carl's coming from. I know where Molly's coming from. I know what information everyone has. And you as the audience member are able to do just like, who knows what, what's going on. Every single scene and it just does it flawlessly and correctly. And then also Whoopi Goldberg is there. It's a perfect fucking film. It's perfect fucking movie. Yeah, well, some of it too is also like very beautifully done and well done. And while I will like rag on the goofy CGI, it is of the times.

But oh my God, the shot of him running after Willie Lopez, and then the cuts to him dying on the street, I gasped. I knew he was gonna die. He is the ghost. It is called ghost. It's the titular role. Him running away, then the immediate fade back to his own body.

So well done. It's just, is really well done filmmaking. Just their apartment is also so beautiful. So we get a lot of like really nice like indoor shots of this like a beautiful like flat loft apartment in New York City that they have. Yeah. Just like the being visually stimulating. Speaking of visually stimulating. While I do understand that he is the bad guy. Carl, what is his name? What is that actress Goldwyn. Oh my fucking God.

Google what he looks like now, he's a dope. He's Well no, I know what he looks like now because he's in Hacks. Oh. Oh my fucking, fine wine. He is, I'll give it to him. There's not a lot of white boys that age as well as him, but he's made it out on the other side. And this movie opens with him and Patrick Swayze shirtless doing demo to a wall. They're sweaty and shirtless and they're like, Demi Moore, you're gonna do so much.

pottery in here and I'm like, oh my God, I wish that were me. even when Carl is maliciously trying to like manipulate Demi Moore into like getting with him. when he's in, you're like, fuck you Carl, fuck you. Literally I'm like, oh my God, but like wait girl, you should do it. But wait, Demi, like what if you did it though? But Demi, I wouldn't be strong enough, girl. I wouldn't put it past you, girl.

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Molly, I wouldn't blame you, I didn't know that quote was even from this movie. Oh, really? That's, yeah. I didn't have a clue. had heard it so many times just because I feel like. and like the whoopie of it all. Exactly, exactly. It's a hot movie in general, obviously. Demi Moore with the gender envy, you were saying? Demi Moore in her little It's not just that, but yeah, the bowl cut, mean,

Obviously you have to be the prettiest person in the world to pull off a cut like that. That's one of those ones that you see some lesbian on TikTok got a little too confident and decided to try it. And now they're fucked up about it.

Um, me more though. feel like that's fixable though. If you get a fucked bowl cut, you can just go back and get layers and then you just have short hair. it's just not a cut anymore. You I guess it's committing to the length. Committing to the length. Yeah. You need to have like the right confidence and the right face for it. Jaw. Yeah. Yes, of course. Neck and head. Generally. Um, yeah, but obviously to me, I was getting a lot of gender envy from in this one. And then also just

I mean, it's Patrick Swayze. Like I think every, I think every masked lesbian at some point in their life wants to be Patrick Swayze, but maybe that's just me. I can't speak for all of us. I think what you're speaking of goes beyond all gender and sexuality. I just think that all people wish to be Patrick Swayze, no matter what situation he's in, it's like, damn, cause he's the guy. It's like, you want to be the guy. And he's like,

But he also seems to maintain a graceful amount of playfulness and a vulnerability. my God, and he's like likable. It's Anton, big and strong. What the fuck? He reminds me, there's not a lot of guys like that, but I will say the only other one that comes to mind, speaking of Star Wars, would be Christopher Lee, considering that he's Christopher Lee. That's the guy. Right, yeah, yeah, you wanna be the guy. a couple of them. There's a couple of them. But yeah, Patrick Swayze, I think, holds

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Obviously, probably the highest honor. don't know. But something about his outfit and the way that that the billowing shirt, the billowing shirt and the way his pants were just barely like, I mean, they tight pants, but it was just it was perfect. It was perfect. It's like.

It's like your cartoon outfit. what would you draw? It's like your ghost outfit. It's like when you die, you have to commit that that's your ghost outfit. Really? he was, he was fitted up though. Coming from Macbeth, looking pretty fly. That billowy burgundy shirt, it was doing it for me. Yeah, no, that's one that I'm like, that was one of those things that I saw and I was like, maybe I should get top surgery one day. I was real.

Like, wow, I'd like clothes to fit me like that. Like, that would be nice. But then I also always am like, but wait, I also would need to be 6'3 and like 200 pounds more than I am now. I'm like, OK, so it's not just that I want like top surgery. It's that I just like wish I knew what it felt like to be a man. Like like a cis. You know, you know what I mean? I don't know. Like I have the broad shoulders, but at the same time, I mean, I will never achieve that. That's all I got besides that.

I got some decent hair, but I'm no Patrick Swayze. I think that's just... He is amazing in this. It's just incredible how much reaction he has to do. And yet I'm never tired of looking to Sam Wheat to see what he thinks of the situation, right? His, I will say, his acting skills in this doing the I'm freaking out face.

And the like, I'm listening. Like, oh, I'm like, I'm actively listening. oh, and I'm, oh, right. Oh my gosh. And here I was just catching my mother up on our weekend and we were talking about the Met and then the Met Gala. And then I just had to hit record because too topical. I wanted to talk about this anyway. Of course. Now we have Jen's perspective. Jen is here to host her interim podcast segment, Chocolate or Vanilla. She's going to say two things. We're all going to say which one we like better, but.

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First, I wanna know who were you guys' faves from the Gala? I thought André 3000 with the piano on his back. I liked that a lot. As the backpack, that was a highlight for me personally. shh. Janelle Monae! Janelle Monae never fucking misses. I saw someone tweeted something like, Janelle Monae is what people want Rihanna to be at the Met, and I think that's entirely true. She is the queen. I feel like

Those two are fundamentally very different personal styles though. What I would expect out of Rihanna is really different than what I come to expect out of Janelle. Janelle owned though. But okay, I think it's just because Rihanna had that iconic, wasn't she the one that really like stepped the mat into like a big sort of media paparazzi stardom thing with that big yellow dress? And I believe she was the chair the year they did the heavenly bodies theme.

So she was really, again, yeah, I believe a part of it being very more current for sure. say though, Janelle Monae in recent years has, I would give her the crown any day at the Met. However, speaking of chairs, I did think Coleman Domingo's suit was gorgeous. Yep, in all of his looks and all the speeches he gave and all his different iterations throughout. course, Dochi as well, all of the like pre-press.

looks and like nods and references and stuff. And then the actual look I was a huge fan of. I also want to feel like I feel like I want to defend her right now. That video that's going around of people being like she's talking like an asshole to her people. I'm like, it's a high stress environment. And I do not think she was being a dick. That's barely, barely diva behavior. They were like, she was verbally degrading them. I'm like, no, no, she's not. She literally isn't.

But anyways, I she looked great as well. Yeah, Jen, what do you think? Every person you say, I'm Googling them really fast to see what you're wearing. you get, Jenna's was good. Jenna's was really good. Ortega, yup. Yeah, they were rulers. Did you see that? Amazing. Yeah, they were in there. I think they're made of metal and it's, know, like all very bespoke, of course. Shaboosie? Can we talk about Shaboosie's fucking grill?

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Look at Shabuzy's outfit. He wore this turquoise beaded front with this dope grill. Oh, yes. Oh, yes, yes, yes. I forgot that was him. Yeah, he looked really good. Well, it's Diana Ross. Oh, my God. Did you watch her walk down that carpet? icon. That was good. Zendaya. Zendaya looks so It was fine. Zendaya was okay. I feel like we know her to be...

to, you know, the expectations are too high, I feel. Yeah. But she looked great. She looked great. Just wasn't a showstopper. Wait, to bring it back to Ghost, you know who I thought looked great? Whoopi Goldberg. And Demi Moore. Both looked so fucking good. Demi, as the fucking necktie, was so good. I loved that. Amazing. Yeah, Whoopi was E, yeah. Whoopi, I liked as well. my God.

I think, did she have a monocle? I think she had a monocle as well. It was like fur. It was like a very well tailored like fur coat. But then like on the front paneling of like a suit jacket. Which makes me, my God. Speaking of fur coats, will say, Chappellrone's look I think was fine. I wasn't wowed, but I got where I really, liked it. I liked it. liked it. It wasn't my favorite. Wait, know who unexpectedly ate who tore?

Joey King? Yes, yes, yes. my God. She was like people, people were calling her look like top 30, maybe top 20 their lists. And she did. She showed up. She showed up and she showed out Joey King. I apologize for what I may have said in the past. Huge respect. I'm back up on Joey King now. Did you see the girl Lisa?

who was- my God, what Rosa Parks on her punani? Girl. She's really problematic. She says the N word and we have footage of it. Yeah, she's really problematic. I did not know that. Lisa also nepo plant, believe. Like tech industry adjacent nepo plant, yeah. Sure. One person's look I really liked was Sabrina Carpenter's for the after party.

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did not fuck with her actual look for the gala, but her after-party look in the suit with the big yellow coat. That was doing something for me. And her hair, her like messy. was reading though that Sabrina Carpenter and Lisa were both dressed by some fashion house that's now owned by Pharrell Williams. So this is all really coming together as to why it's flopping. duh. Jen, any final thoughts on the Met Gala? Do we like Cynthia Rivo's dress?

I don't know. I will say Mindy Kaling stood out to me. is one that she she pops off like maybe every other year she has like a really good outfit and then she goes into hibernation and she comes back with another banger. We've been talking for 10 minutes about the Met Gala when really we should be talking about our opinions about other stuff. Jen, what's the theme this week? So the theme is which couple has more chemistry?

Oh, I like this. I have to lead with this one. First of all, chocolate or vanilla? Chocolate. Vanilla. Chocolate. Chocolate, vanilla or strawberry? Chocolate. Strawberry. Yeah, you know what? I'm going to go strawberry too. I got to lead with this one though. Katniss and Peeta or Haymage and Lenore Dove. OK, well, hasn't been put to screen yet, so we don't know. Also, what's their ship name?

Cause we know penis. can't speak on it. Penis. But also chemistry. Cause if we're talking about just like chemistry, that's like different because I feel like Katniss and PETA work so much because of their trauma bonding. Like it works because they are trauma bonded. don't know. Yeah. Heyman's just got brutally traumatized and that was it.

Yeah, I guess I'll pick Haymitch and Lenore because they knew each other before they had to fight for their lives, I guess. Not that Katniss and Peeta didn't have that one exchange that one time. I'm not dismissing that, but... Wow. No, I will absolutely be going for Katniss and Peeta. Those two were my ride or die. I thought you would say that, but I'm going to go Haymitch and Lenore because I just finished it. It was so good. It made me cry.

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I think rest in peace and peace to the bonus episode that we said we did that we definitely not gonna do about that book. But if anyone wants to drop in our DMs, who has read it recently, me, Jen and Emily are all up and up on sunrise on the reaping and all the cast announcements they did as well. Very exciting stuff. Yeah, my God. Thank God for unknowns, dude. Who are we still waiting on, Effie? I think Effie's gonna be a...

El Fanning. That's what the rumors, so they say. Sorry. And Ampert is not cast. lot of the other tributes aren't cast. Wyatt is not cast. Luella, they just did the main three, I think. Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore or Patrick Swayze and Jennifer Grey.

Oh, was that in Dirty Dancing? He definitely has better chemistry with her Dirty Dancing. That's like what that whole movie is about. Easily. But that's the funny thing is because they fucking hated each other on set. Oh, wow. I think it was very forced chemistry, like the same way I think The Notebook was. They didn't like each other either. I didn't know that. No, and they didn't like each other and then they dated after it. real enemies to lovers. I thought for sure you guys were going to say...

in this movie, Swayze and Demi. no, no, they're dancing every day. It is off the charts in both, but. But I just can't stop that, like whenever I think about that movie, think you think about that scene where he's like, she's got her arm up and he's trying to do the thing and she keeps laughing. Next one is Kurt and Blaine or Santana and Brittany.

Santana and Brittany. Ever did. For chemistry, yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. We all Because Kurt and Blaine, sometimes Kurt and Blaine would, like, I'd be like, you guys should break up. Like, they would fight about something. And I'm like, you guys should actually break the way that they were, they had broken up and then Sue forced them in the elevator. Oh my God. Even they didn't want to be together. Yeah, no. Santana and Brittany every day, of course.

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I feel like I'm just gonna keep saying the one that you guys don't say, because of course I'm gonna say Kurt and Blaine. Those are your boys though. They are my boys. Next one is Bella and Edward or Jasper and Alice or Rosalie and Emmett. I guess, chemistry is kind of tough because I feel like I will say them because they are giving something a little something different. Yeah.

Jasper and Miss Alice. Whereas I guess I do believe Rosalie and Emmet are a couple, I guess, like whatever. Bella, mean, Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson, feel like have like, just no, there's so nothing there. It's hilarious. Yeah, Alice and Jasper to me feels like one of those little girls with her big giant pit bulls. You know what I mean? They're like, she's fine, don't worry about him.

This is my confederate general boyfriend. Don't worry, I keep him on a short leash. I think I'm gonna say Edward and Bella though, because I think they do match each other's monotone freak. I'll go Jasper and Alice. Next one, Rocky and Adrian or Hannah and Leo? I feel Rocky and Adrian. Wait, who's the second one? Han and Leia. Han and Leia, okay.

Yeah, I'll say Rocky and Adrienne, because that was some real love. Whereas, I don't know, I guess, yeah. I feel pretty neutral about Leia and Han as a couple. Like, I could have really taken a relief in that. Yeah, I think I agree with you there. Like, the I love you, I know scene is obviously iconic and really good. But yeah, I don't feel like the come a straight on screen was quite there.

Yeah, I'll rock you and Adrian. Yeah. Yeah, I'll go. I'll go rock you and Adrian for this week. Next one is Florence Pugh and Zach Braff or Olivia or Olivia Wilde and Harry Styles. Oh, oh, wait, both of these. have very. Oh, I.

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I Zach Braff and Florence Pugh because I really liked all the cooking content she used to make on her Instagram when they lived in their house together. And their beautiful house. Beautiful kitchen. Yeah, it's the chemistry between me and her kitchen. Me and Florence Pugh's kitchen, yeah. I think I'm going to have to go.

Harry Styles and Olivia Wilde though because I support his right to have a really messy relationship and look really hot while he was doing it. So yeah, I'll go for those two. You support his hot and messiness. I'll go with Florence and Zach. Next one is Jamie and Cersei Lannister or Jim and Pam from The Office. Oh my god.

Not Jamie and Cersei, he does go to her at the end though. Like at the end of it all, he does run back to her. That shit was fucking crazy. That's how you knew that that season was ass. Yeah, that was really, really bad. No character, undoing of seasons of character development of him running fucking back to her. Oh, pissing me off. What was my other option? Jim and Pam. Oh, well yeah, they're electric. Of course I'll pick Jim and Pam. I find the office

is still too cringe and I still haven't watched it. So I'll go for the twin suss this time around actually. Nice, I'm gonna go for Jim and Pam. Next one is Zendaya and Tom or Nick Jonas and Priyanka Chopra or Miles Morales and Gwen Stacy. Wait, okay, this is really random line up. Wait, let me wrap my head around this for a second, I'm sorry.

I do think, I do think the Jonas, yeah, you've got two Spider-Mans and Nick Jonas?

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just figured you'd do Andrew Garfield and I'm Andrew Garfield and literally anyone else. No, okay. So I think Nick Jonas is canceled because I do think all of the Jonas brothers are associated with Trumpies. Like big Elon dick suckers. Chopped, it's a chop. And then I guess Tom and Zendaya are like the it couple. Nobody has more chemistry than them. And I guess Miles and Gwen are, they're still, you know, working it out in those movies.

I'm a fan. I'll pick Tom and Zendaya. think Tom Holland looks like a young Tony Goldwyn. Do you guys see it? don't know. don't know that I know. Carl, the villain of this movie, Ghost. yes. Yes, yes. The French Carl. Yes, of course. I know. I absolutely agree with you there. Yeah, I'm voice of Holland. I'm also a of Tarzan, by the way. Yeah, Tarzan. I didn't know that.

I'm also gonna go Tom and Zendaya though, obviously. Yeah, me too. Barbie and Ken or Bugs and Lola Bunny? Speaking of beards, I feel like Barbie and Ken are just a more iconic duo, whereas I feel like Bugs Bunny is his own entire entity and then Lola is just in one Space Jam movie. Those two things are incomparable to me, whereas like...

Barbie and Ken are like an item. Right. Yeah. I'll go for those two as well. Barbie and Ken. Yeah. I'm going to go for Bugs and Lola. I love Mason Space Jam. That is it for couples with chemistry. Anyways, thank you, Jen, for sharing your Met Gala hot takes and providing us with some chocolate or vanilla questions. We love you and we'll see you next week. All right. I love you guys. Have an awesome night. Bye. You were touching on Demi Moore's hair. I'll get into some.

IMDB fun fact corner of things I read online. guess she did that herself. She cut her own hair. They cast her with long hair and then she showed up to set with her little newsboy cut and they were like, what did you do? This is not actually now I'm pissed. And she was just like.

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It does. She's like, this character does not demand me to have any type of hair. And I think it works because I think Molly is going to be like a cool, strong, independent woman so she can have short hair. And they were like, well, fuck, I guess we just have to. know, now it's so iconic. And now it's like, yeah, it was like the very it.

style defining thing. guess she had a picture of Isabella Rossellini in her wallet and that was like her inspo and that was like she liked that like really short like chic haircut. was her inspo before acting on Ghost. And they cast her because she could cry and you know she's a really talented cry actress and she can specifically do the like the one tier and then the delayed the second tier. You get the drop.

which we get a lot of in this. she really, yeah, she fucking kills it. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. I mean, can we talk about the slow dance, the dance with, I mean- And the clay. The one with Whoopi. Well, we have the clay, which is, I mean, the basis for everything in the whole movie and their beautiful love and chemistry. But yeah, I didn't know that the dance with Whoopi was gonna happen and I was-

a fucking sniveling mess on my couch. Something about that song makes that song and like bless the telephone are two that just make me fall apart no matter what. Yeah. Holy shit. Because were you expecting because the most whack fucking thing about this movie is that Patrick Swayze's ghost goes inside of Whoopi Goldberg and then Whoopi Goldberg.

and Demi Moore seemingly have an incredibly intimate several minutes. We don't see any of it though. And we don't see any of it. We only see it. That's the one fucking thing that I felt like I once I knew it was gonna happen. I knew he was gonna jump into her body. They don't give us even one shot of her and whoopee dude. That kills me. That does kill me about it.

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because it does just leave you to sit with like, okay, and now it's your job to fill in, rewatch it and that's Whoopi. And it's like, I have to do all that fucking heavy lifting myself. Cause of course I'm thinking about it. Of course I'm thinking about Whoopi. Cause when he's like tenderly holding her, like how does that work? Like Whoopi Goldberg is like definitely much shorter than Demi Moore. Like it's like how are we lovingly gazing at each other?

I'll go to my mind palace and do it if I have to, but I don't want to. I just wish they gave us literally two two second clips and that's it. Like come on, while the camera is twirling around them. Like an overlay. Yes! a 50 % opacity overlay will be, please let me see it. Where's the ghost director's cut? I need another 20 minutes of this movie.

Jerry Zucker, Jerry, where is it? Show me the footage. I know you shot it. I know you shot it. Yeah, literally. And I know there's so much more hijinks that could probably, that's probably on the cutting room floor of this movie. I will say, I think this movie, like you said before, it hits on just about every single fucking genre possible. I think there is the perfect amount of hijinks in this movie. I mean, like it really ramps up and

I think one of my favorite scenes in the entire film, and I think you'll probably agree, is the ransacking of Oda May's house. Do you know what I'm talking about? Where he's fully his ghost self and Willy Lopez is getting haunted. They go to get the money back because they realize that she, quote unquote, has it, even though she gave it to the nuns. Really like Matilda, sort of.

area of it, you know, where like shit's flying all over, you can't see it, like the rigging for it must have been so crazy. So many parts of this movie, I feel like you can tell just have a lot of, I don't know, care put into them, I guess. I can imagine the work of like having to work with early CGI too. That must have been a fucking bitch. Yeah, especially when you're trying to do something that's like earnest and serious a little bit. Like you're like, we can't really have this look.

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to like, can't take you out of it too much. don't know. I can't speak for how it was in 1990 though. Cause maybe they were like, holy fuck, movies are crazy. Like this, even though we're looking at it and I'm like, yeah, this is like a bad YouTube editing. I would like to ask you though, because while I watched this about a week or two ago, in the meantime, I feel like I've been seeing and tell me if you've been seeing this too.

A lot of people on TikTok talking about bringing their animals to animal communicators. Have you seen this? No. you haven't. it's people that will bring their animals to their pets, their cats, usually is what I've seen. Their cats or dogs to basically an animal psychic and they communicate with their animal through the psychic and it's stuff like... God, what a breath. What?

Fucking hoes. Which I was, I wanted to ask your opinion of course, but obviously. the fuck? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. cats are who I've made them up to be in my head, thank you. No, and because I can just like vibe with them and communicate with them. I don't need a medium to know how my cat is doing.

Oh my God. Also, that's just like, that's somebody just running a really good grift. Honestly, good for you. You're like, yeah, he says he loves you. And they're like, yeah, like, because what do they go to talk about? Like, Well, you just want to know if your pet loves you? What do you want to No, hold on. Let me let me hold on. Oh my God. But I like that the movie Ghost canonically establishes in that universe that there is like a thinner barrier for cats so that the the ghosts, you know, the cats can sense the ghosts. I liked that.

tidbit, you because then he scares the cat into warning Demi Moore about Willy Lopez before he's able to manipulate objects. We need to talk about the concept of object permanence in this movie, because if Sam Wheat cannot interact with the world around him, how can he sit on a chair? Okay. And then I guess that that's just sort of whatever we'll move past that. then like the concept of clothes and stuff.

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coming into play, but then it's like, it's not just Patrick Swayze standing in for the idea of an incorporeal person and then him being able to kick the can does make things corporeal. Like we're not actually supposed to think that it's Patrick Swayze. It's just, it's difficult for me to suspend my disbelief that he can't interact with objects when he's constantly like walking upstairs and shit. Like you fall through. Like what do you mean you can't interact with matter? Like what matter can you?

or can can interact with just the structures, don't worry. Anything that's like structural, yeah, no, it's very pick and choosy and yeah, nitpicky, I guess. I suppose what you're saying, I can see what you're saying. The cats though, what are people saying with their It's like, like this one's like,

It'll be like, this is what the communicator told me or whatever. it's like, like, like your your dog who got big doesn't understand why you don't carry him anymore or something like that. Or that like this one says, what was it that the car makes him nervous? he likes shit like it's so stupid. It's so stupid. Some of them sound some of them have sounded genuinely like someone has come up with at least like a pretty

detailed grift, will give it to them. But I mean, it's which is why I respect it. I'm sure that they are actually like doing a good job putting on the affectation of like, I'm telling you what you to hear about your pet, you know? Yeah, I've, you know.

prepared a thousand responses or whatever, you know? So you of course know about the lore of this movie is that it really helped Whoopi Goldberg's acting career take off and she owes it all to Patrick Swayze. She loves him. are dear friends. don't know in what capacity they knew each other or like personally or just knew of each other. I

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I meant to Google this if they had actually known each other before, but that is neither here nor there because the screenplay, originally the Otome character was, of course, a white man. they were like, and the psychic, who's a guy? then they took... You're like, that doesn't exist, but okay. They took the script.

to the people who were writing Stand By Me. And they were like, hey, can you do some revisions on this script? And they were like, what if she was a woman and she was black? And they were like, okay, cool. So we'll do like Tina Turner. And they were like, Turner, do you want to be in this movie? And she was like, no. And then they were like, okay, well, Tina Turner adjacent Oprah, Oprah, do you want to be in this movie? And then it was like, no. So then they just put out a casting call for like black actresses, like, you know.

to they're like, a Tina Turner, Oprah type, take what you will, you know, we're casting for Oda Mae and Whoopi hadn't like, she didn't know about it, just wasn't really on her radar. And one of her friends was like, why are you not at these auditions? And she was like, I don't know, I don't know about this. And I guess they're like, somebody had said, we don't want Whoopi Goldberg. And so then that's like why. So.

Because, know, she had been in some movies, like she wasn't not famous, but she certainly wasn't like Whoopi fucking Goldberg. But then Patrick Swayze gets there and he is like, OK, if you're going to cast me in this movie, I will not say yes until you've spoken to my friend Whoopi Goldberg. And they were like, if that's what it takes. he was like, like, yeah, like I will not sign anything until I at least know you've talked to her and says that she doesn't want to do it.

Like he's like, cause I don't understand why like she hasn't been in the mix. And so then they did. And whoopi was like, yeah, what do you, what do mean? Like, of course I want to do it. And they were like, okay. And then they cast her based off of Patrick Swayze's like recommendations. So that really like launched her career. she speaks very kindly of him up there, like great friendship and stuff. You can watch some really, some really touching clips from the view. I'm sure.

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I have my thoughts. I Whoopi is a legend and a goat. And I think some of the shit she said that's problematic, I think we can chalk that up to just her being misinformed and not actually being hateful. You can read into some of Whoopi Goldberg's questionable comments she's made in the past, but just the view, she's she's a- It's the view. Oh my God. day job. She needs a fucking day job. I guess I just think she's above it.

But I guess get your bag, girl. I don't disagree with you there, but you know. Did any other of the cast get nominated for this or was it just Whoopi? So it was just Whoopi. And who was she up against? Supporting actress, she was notably up against Lorraine Bracco in Goodfellas, who plays Dr. Melfi on Sopranos. Oh, fuck. When I watched the clip of Whoopi winning her Oscar, was one of the... Annette Bening in something.

I don't know. It was a supporting, you know, supporting actress category. But what we want and then they also won for original screenplay, which I think is fire. And it was nominated for Best Picture, Best Editing and Best Score, all of which it lost. No Demi, Nom, no Patrick Nom. I think it was considered a little too like because it was maybe the highest grossing movie of 1990, I want to say. Or it was very high up there. know it beat Home Alone 2.

was a big benchmark, a financial benchmark. I did inflationcalculator.com because I wanted to know how much $4 million was because in this movie they're like $4 million. It's only 10, but that seems about right. But I wanted to know. 1990 to 2025, $4 million is $10 million. So to recontextualize Ghost for yourself, nothing really changes that much.

It's so sad because as if like $10 million, I hear that number and it doesn't mean anything because I think that everything is like the scale of how much wealth people have these days. I'm like, that's nothing. $10 million, that's nothing. It would change my entire life. But then it also like in the grand scheme of the GDP. But I had originally pulled out inflationcalculator.com because Whoopi Goldberg is charging $20 for her.

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mysticism. So I was like $20 in 1990. I know that's a lot of money. It's like $50. It's like 50 bucks. Yeah. It's like, damn, oh, to me, she's not running a good rift. Sure. Just say names. I'm like, no, you have to just like say a feeling. have to be like, they're calling out, you know, you can't just be like Judy Tyrell Owen. Like, no, that is the least likely way you're going to get there.

my God. Speaking of bad experiences, I mean, not to say that watching your beloved ghost boyfriend, Patrick Swayze, mean, die wasn't bad enough. Having to watch him then ascend into heaven after five very confusing days and then you have to talk to the police. I couldn't think of a worse thing.

could you imagine? so beautiful. Molly, Molly, the love inside, you get to take it with you.

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my God, honestly. Yeah, then having to go talk to the cops, that is awful. Especially after they did not believe her ass. I was like, girl, you need to lie. She's like, my ghost boyfriend has been communicating with me. I'm like, just say that you say I was in a violent crime altercation and I saw the man who did it around my apartment building. I feel unsafe. Can I have an officer?

near my building. That's all you need. Literally. She's like, this is going to sound crazy. I'm like, yeah, don't take it there. Don't take it there. But of course the cops were not helpful. love Patrick Swayze. Ghost solved his own murder. Yeah, that was pretty lit. Before the ticket was even processed over at the sheriff's office. yeah, should we get into it? I mean, I guess.

So Fuck, Marry, Kill, Patrick Swayze, Whoopi Goldberg, Demi Moore, we could add Tony Goldwyn. I was like, oh, he is the fourth, but I just think we can just chop him at the front. We can We're all gonna kill him. In the movie, I'm gonna... Tough. Actually, kinda tough. I'm gonna marry Demi Moore, because I wanna live in an apartment with her. And she...

seems to be doing fine for herself. So I want to hang out and help her grieve and maybe me, her and Oda May can all hang out post, you know, grieving. Like, do you think they hang out? Do you think that? Do you think Oda May and...

And Wally are gonna have a future together. Well, we know for a fact that they have explored each other's bodies. Right, in some capacity. So I think you have to after that. No, I think they start getting coffee pretty regularly, not long after. So then I think for that reason, will fuck Whoopi Goldberg because this is like lining up with my, I don't know, fantasy. And then I guess I'll just kill Sam Wheat again.

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Yeah, I mean, you're just really setting yourself up for a throuple here is what it sounds like. So I mean, yeah, we're going to improve. We're going to turn it into like a pottery. What's the intersection of pottery and fortune telling? I want to say like the crystals. Maybe Molly could get really into like crystals. Or like, not like tarot cards. What's like bongs maybe?

Oh, she just started doing glasswork. Honestly, yeah, I could see that. The studio, we can set the studio up. Ashtrays, wait, Molly. I was really dissing on Molly for being a potter because I was like, what the hell? What the hell is kind of fake profession? I was like, are they ever going to tell us what she actually does for work? I'm like, there's no way. But then she's like, I'm in some galleries. And I was like, OK, whatever.

All right. All right. Make a name for yourself. When she was when she was making that fucking pot, it just wasn't striking me as anything of note, you know, when she I don't know. do think I guess maybe she was just throwing the clay. She was just she just couldn't fall asleep. She had to clear her head, Derek. Come on. Right. I feel like as I get older, though, I do I have started appreciating like pottery.

a little more in like the the handcrafted the functional arts of course i am gonna kill molly though i as much as her hair does it for me she is out of all of these ones out of all these characters the most nothing character true yeah real i didn't feel very attached to her at all

I felt exceptionally attached to Odomay though, so I am going to marry her. We are going to get her real medium business up and off the ground and run name. She's going to be touring like Lisa Caputo when I'm done with her. And then I'm going to fuck Sam because it's Patrick Swayze. If I can't Patrick Swayze, I want to fuck Patrick Swayze.

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And that billowing shirt, I'm like, can you keep the billowing shirt on, Billowing shirt stays on during sex. Take those tight little pants off. Clay stays on the fangies. don't know about that. Molly has a crazy UTI going on. She's got... Molly has a crazy yeast infection. nobody's business. And then what are you gonna eat and drink when you're watching Ghost with your ghost husband?

Damn it, was just trying to remember. I meant to look this up and write it down, but you know what kind of fruit does Carl bring Molly? He brings her a pear or some sort of milked green or a I think it is a pear. Is it a pear? I think so. you should have pear cocktail. I don't know, I feel like I have had a good, I mean, I can't think of anything off the top of my head, but there's gotta be, everyone's on TikTok, look up a pear cocktail. Which I should have done before we recorded this.

And then I was just thinking about like kicking cans so you could just have like a can like cans. I don't know, really loose on ghosts. I think I just had ice cream. I, you know, when they're kicking the can. you're just, you're just befuddled by like where that train of thought could ever possibly lead to. I don't know. I don't know. It's you on a can like a goat. I don't know, But I just had some, some ice cream. Yeah. It's like,

Giffords, of course. And I always go for, what's it called? Like Mississippi mudslide, but it's it's coffee with Oreo and it's my all time fave. I wanted to go for something that I felt like Sam would make me. And I feel like it'd be fucking decadent. No, no. I think he'd get real romantic with it. And I think he'd do a, hold on. What did I write down?

A braised beef ragu. Oh, okay. Something real nice. think he'd like have a friend at the butchers who like sets him up with some really nice beef and he makes the pasta. I think he's a hands-on guy. He's making that pasta by hand. Damn. He's on his day off. You didn't get home from running errands and he's got some fire ragu sitting there waiting for you.

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And maybe a glass of red wine just to go with it, because he's classy. Beautiful. rest in peace, Patrick Swayze. know, I wish I was... Eating ragu with him. Eating ragu with Patrick Swayze in my alternate universe life. Yeah, everyone deserves that. What do you follow this up with? I think you immediately should... The vimes I'm getting are pulling towards Sister Act. Of course, because I just want...

There's like too much foreshadowing about Whoopi and Nuns in this movie to not just like immediately want to do Sister Act. But then also in the same corner, I feel like a movie that is just like undeniably so good is My Cousin Vinny. And I feel like Marissa Tomei is supporting performance in that movie gives me the same energy as Whoopi's and the same like, I don't know, kind of snappy screenwriting, like every character in every scene just like making a point. I don't know.

say primarily Sister Act, but I am also thinking about my cousin Vinnie as well. What about you? You're pretty right about that. I of course had Sister Act. I had two balancing scales. You can either, if you really want to cry, this is one of the movies that I don't think I'll ever rewatch because it made me sob so hard, but it was really, really beautiful and really great and also ghostly. All of us strangers. Do you know the one I'm talking about?

Is that new with Paul Mescal? Yeah, Paul Mescal and Andrew Scott and Claire Foy and Jamie It's so fucking sad. Did you watch it? No, of course not. Everyone said it's so fucking sad. It is one of the best and most beautiful like movies that I had seen in I think 2024 or something like that. Brilliant, gorgeous, fucking heartbreaking.

Um, yeah, so you either do that or Sister Act. I think most people would probably say Sister Act. But yeah, I think that is just a really, a really beautiful ghost movie, honestly. I think there's a lot to be said. And I would like to, I would like to find the guts to rewatch it someday, but I will need to be in a very stable and okay place and have someone there to hold me.

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See everyone, when you're talking like this about a movie, it does not make me want to watch that movie. It's really good, that's the thing though, it's really good. You're saying that you're going to need like a therapist on standby? I'm like, wait, can I take the hit right now? Like, no, no. Yeah, no, it's one you got to put to, you put yourself, it's like an endurance test or something like that, emotional endurance. Do you know where I'm at is the other night, Henry and I watched

Equilibrium, which is a movie where Christian Bale does a special type of gun karate called gun kata, where he uses the gun as a total weapon system. So not only are you shooting it like a gun, but he's like optimizing geographic angles while also like using the guns to punch people. Bale movie? Yes. It's about the future.

where human emotion is outlawed. you have to take your injection every day to not have any feelings. that's how society is run. Oh, God. don't know. guessing.

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2002. wow. OK. Just like, like a you're really far off from where I was. Right. What's it called? Equilibrium? Equilibrium, you know, that's that's what I actually followed this up with in my real life. Wow. Wow. I can't wait to watch this. It's pretty it's pretty whack. It's it's like the fetishization of gun, gun usage. Sure.

on par with like John Wick, you know what I mean? Where it's like, damn, you can really do something. Patrick Swayze, Patrick Macy, we're ending the podcast. That's what's going on. I'm happy we kicked off. What do we have to about the tariffs? Emily, what do we have to say about the tariffs? What do you mean? They're tariffing movies. You don't know that? All movies. What? Donald Trump has put a 100 % tariff on movies made outside of the US in order to try to

like reinvigorate the Hollywood economy, like make American movies made in America. So it's basically he's just trying to de-globalize America from the global economy. Anyways, I was trying to joke and say we should talk about the tariffs, but we shouldn't talk about the tariffs. can't keep up, dog. Holy shit. And they're going to make an Anthony Bourdain movie. And that pisses me off. I did see that. I didn't see that. They're they're casting in Boston for some people. For.

Porky restaurant people. you. Fuck you and your fucking movie. It's exciting. Bourdain would fucking hate you bitches. Goodbye, good night. We'll see you guys next week.