Lee MJ Elias [0:00 - 0:05]: Say their name and they appear. We're the geeks that like sports. 

Ray Carsillo [0:18 - 0:37]: Oh, yeah, brother. Welcome to the cream of the crop. Rising to the top, the geeks who like sports. As always, I am Ray Carcillo in beautiful Los Angeles, California. My best friend over in front of Manuel Elias. And we have a very special guest for you today. Zomi Cruz, the producer. What's up, Zombie? How's it going, buddy? 

Xavier [0:37 - 0:38]: I'm doing well. How are you, Ray? 

Ray Carsillo [0:38 - 0:49]: I'm doing well. Folks, welcome to another edition of Geeks Like Sports. And we are amped up in this very special episode because, guys, we're coming fresh off of the heels of WrestleMania weekend. 

Lee MJ Elias [0:49 - 0:53]: Yeah, it's like a triple threat. Got three people on the screen if you're watching, three people if you're listening. 

Ray Carsillo [0:53 - 0:56]: We had two triple threats this weekend, and now you have a third. 

Lee MJ Elias [0:56 - 1:18]: And for those of you listening, this is a special edition. Not only did we watch, all of us watched WrestleMania, one of us was at WrestleMania in Vegas. And that person is the host of the show, Randy Macho Man Savage, or Ray Carcillo, as we call him. So, yeah, pretty heavily. Ray. Let's just. Before we get in any of the matches, before we get to any of it. 

Ray Carsillo [1:19 - 1:19]: Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:20 - 1:23]: What was going to WrestleMania? Like, what. What was that like? 

Ray Carsillo [1:24 - 2:23]: I mean, it. I mean, look, this is my third WrestleMania. I went to WrestleMania 31. I went to WrestleMania 39. Every WrestleMania is. Is different. Obviously, I felt Vegas was. I mean, look, it was everybody who from. That was. There was not from Vegas. Right? Like, it's just people from all over the world coming in. Everybody's wearing their wrestling shirts. I mean, there was. There was this one old lady, she's like, what's everybody doing here with the wrestling? And some dude was, like, trying to explain to her. He's like, Everybody's here for WrestleMania. And he was stopping people as they go by, and they're like, what are you here for WrestleMania? What are you here for? WrestleMania? It's like. And the old way is like, oh, my God, I just want to play my slots. I just want my buffalo. She's like, you know? But, yeah, I mean, Vegas was, of course, not prepared, as you know. This is the first WrestleMania in Vegas since. Since WrestleMania 9. 

Lee MJ Elias [2:23 - 2:23]: Wow. 

Ray Carsillo [2:24 - 2:42]: And even with Allegiant Stadium, which holds over 60, 000 people, they're not used to having 60, 000 people in that stadium because the Raiders play there. So they realize that if that team ever gets good again, they're gonna probably have to figure out a Few extra ways into and out of this. 

Lee MJ Elias [2:43 - 2:52]: Yeah, I saw the crowds and actually the best footage was some of these guys trying to run up the down escalator to get out. Yes. Failing miserably. 

Ray Carsillo [2:52 - 3:08]: Yes. We, we wisely on night two, we hung back because we're our where our seats. We were on the low level, which is like the middle level. And we were able to kind of like hang back at the stadium bar. And we just did that. They let us stay for an hour after the show on night. Why wouldn't. 

Lee MJ Elias [3:08 - 3:18]: You know? I'm gonna be honest with you, I never understood this isn't just limited to WrestleMania. I don't. Barring having to be somewhere, which is a thing or it's late and you gotta work the next day. 

Xavier [3:18 - 3:18]: Right. 

Lee MJ Elias [3:18 - 3:29]: I don't understand why people rush out of stadiums and I really don't understand why people leave early sometimes. Yeah. You know, it's like you paid all this money or you're at a major event. 

Ray Carsillo [3:30 - 3:30]: Right. 

Lee MJ Elias [3:30 - 3:34]: Just hang out, enjoy it, you know, like. 

Ray Carsillo [3:34 - 3:57]: And if you check out my Instagram, one of the pictures was I actually watched him take down the ring after night two, which was awesome. But basically, I think part of the reason to be fair, at least with. With Vegas, right. On a Saturday night, I could understand. Okay, show's over. We're all gonna go out now. So everybody kind of disperses at the same time. But there's only one bridge out of the stadium. 

Lee MJ Elias [3:57 - 4:03]: Well, I mean it's Vegas. It doesn't shut off. It's a 24 hour thing. You know. 

Ray Carsillo [4:03 - 4:12]: It's not anymore though because all the restaurants, all the good restaurants closed by 10 now. 

Lee MJ Elias [4:12 - 4:18]: Well, that was stupid if they did that during Wrestlemania. That's a. You're open 247 for this week. 

Ray Carsillo [4:18 - 4:21]: Right. And that's what they did though. But they were closing early. 

Lee MJ Elias [4:21 - 4:23]: Oh, you're kidding me. That's no bad plan. 

Ray Carsillo [4:23 - 4:31]: So that's part of the thing too is a lot of us were kind of rushing to try to go get some dinner that wasn't a McDonald's or a Pizza Hut or whatever. 

Lee MJ Elias [4:31 - 4:33]: And wasn't 600 at the stadium, I'm. 

Ray Carsillo [4:33 - 4:37]: Guessing too right Would be. It was still 600 at the casino. 

Lee MJ Elias [4:37 - 4:40]: But still win money at the casino. No, I'm just kidding. 

Ray Carsillo [4:40 - 5:02]: Yes. Which none of. None. Well, I did not anyway. But yeah, no, it, it. Vegas was not prepared for. For WrestleMania and didn't realize just how big this was. And yeah, I think a lot of the restaurants and other businesses in the area probably suffered or didn't take full advantage of it. Right. I should say they didn't suffer, but. 

Xavier [5:02 - 5:10]: Like, well, WrestleMania now is, like, such. It's, like, on par with, like, the Olympics coming to your city or the super bowl coming. Like, it shuts down. 

Ray Carsillo [5:10 - 5:11]: Like. 

Xavier [5:11 - 5:30]: Like, Philly was. I had the privilege of, like, being in Philly during WrestleMania week. So it was just. Philly was decked out to the nines in WrestleMania. Everybody was in on it. Every. Like, they just seemed like they were prepared to handle it, but again, just prepared to handle that kind of sports frenzy well. 

Lee MJ Elias [5:30 - 5:41]: And also savvy Philly is. Is a wrestling town because ECW's history here. So I. I think that there's some understanding here of, oh, this is going to be crazy. Also, wasn't our first WrestleMania. 

Xavier [5:41 - 5:41]: True. 

Ray Carsillo [5:42 - 5:42]: Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [5:42 - 5:48]: You know, not that this was Vegas's first, but WrestleMania is a little bit of a different monster now than it was at WrestleMania 9. 

Xavier [5:48 - 5:49]: Correct. Right. Yes. 

Ray Carsillo [5:49 - 6:20]: Well. And that's it. And I think even la. LA is interesting because LA is so spread out and so separate that WrestleMania at SoFi a couple years ago could kind of just be its own little thing. Even in San Fran, in Super bowl, Not Super Bowl, WrestleMania 31, everything's so kind of spread out. You have all this real estate to take advantage of. Whereas with Vegas, they had WrestleMania at Allegiant Stadium. And then clear across the other side of town was where the superstore was. 

Xavier [6:20 - 6:20]: Right. 

Ray Carsillo [6:21 - 6:37]: Like, the events were so scattered and so difficult to get to because also now Vegas is not as easy to traverse as it once was because of all the F1 stuff and all the changes. Now the trop has been torn down. You've got trams and monorails so much. It seems to be under constant construction. 

Lee MJ Elias [6:37 - 6:46]: And Ray, we should. We'll talk about this later in the show, too, but the Vegas Golden Knights were playing game one of their playoff series during this as well, during during. 

Ray Carsillo [6:46 - 6:59]: Night two of WrestleMania. I also told my friends that I'm like, look, be careful because. Because if we, the folks from T Mobile, might start to spill over into the folks from Allegiant, and everybody's like, oh, what's hockey? And I'm like, oh, okay. 

Lee MJ Elias [6:59 - 7:02]: Yeah, yeah. It's like wrestling on ice. 

Xavier [7:02 - 7:03]: Yes, Yes. 

Lee MJ Elias [7:03 - 7:16]: I don't know. Here's a question I'll pose to the group. And look, there's wrestling fans all over the world, and I'm not trying to sour that, but I've always thought east coast crowds are just a little bit more savvy when it comes to this type of stuff. 

Ray Carsillo [7:16 - 7:16]: Oh, absolutely. 

Lee MJ Elias [7:17 - 7:32]: And it's like, not that the WrestleMania will stay on the east coast. They have to travel around. But yeah, like kind of as we get into the actual WrestleMania, the WrestleMania itself, at least from a broadcast standpoint, Ray was mildly disjointed. I felt like. Right. 

Ray Carsillo [7:32 - 7:33]: Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [7:33 - 8:07]: There were aspects of it that it just did not go as smooth as last year's. I'm not saying the quality of the mess. I said Mesopotamia. The quality of the WrestleMania was, was not horrendous. Like, you know, it was a C plus show. I think that's fair. And I, I think that I also knew and, and Savvy said this too. There's just no way they could compete with last year's WrestleMania. No matter what happened, they couldn't top that. So I kind of knew that going in. But yeah, I think C plus it was, it was slightly, it was average, but maybe a little higher on the average scale. 

Ray Carsillo [8:07 - 8:40]: Yeah, right. It's just a touch. I mean, that's the thing is, is that also. I mean, look again, going back to the, the disaster that was a Legion stadium with just the lack of security, a lack of organism. They opened the doors an hour late on day one because they were so unprepared for the crowd with. The doors are supposed to open at 1:30 on, on, on the day of WrestleMania night one and night two and then 3:30. We were supposed to be like to be the pre show in the stadium. We didn't get, we didn't, the doors didn't open till 2:30. 

Lee MJ Elias [8:40 - 8:40]: Oh, wow. 

Ray Carsillo [8:40 - 8:42]: And then people were scrambling to get to their seats. 

Lee MJ Elias [8:43 - 8:45]: Right? Yeah, like. 

Ray Carsillo [8:45 - 8:45]: Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [8:45 - 8:46]: For local time. 

Ray Carsillo [8:46 - 8:53]: Wow. Right. Yeah. And so again, you know, it, it. Every aspect of Allegiant just seemed to be a disaster. 

Lee MJ Elias [8:53 - 8:54]: Yeah. 

Ray Carsillo [8:54 - 9:04]: You know, and it just, it's, it's, it's, it's a shame. But I think the show over itself overall was fine. There were definitely some great moments for sure. 

Lee MJ Elias [9:05 - 9:05]: Yeah. 

Ray Carsillo [9:06 - 9:09]: Even if it was, I feel very predictable. 

Xavier [9:09 - 9:10]: I agree. 

Ray Carsillo [9:10 - 9:11]: Yeah. 

Xavier [9:11 - 9:43]: I, I think if you've been watching for the last like couple weeks, you kind of like. And I think the, the added build kind of like build time added to the predictability of it because we had an extra three weeks of TV time to fill where we normally would have just already had a WrestleMania. And when you're dragging things out like that far into the month, you're really, oh well, the, you, you run into the problem of oh well, all of the arrows are pointing here. So this is where we're going, yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [9:43 - 10:01]: And Savi building on that. And then we'll get into the matches in a minute. From, from a creative storytelling standpoint, this WrestleMania, for me as a viewer, because of the predictability of it, it felt like WrestleMania is now the setup for something bigger, whereas WrestleMania is usually the payoff event. 

Ray Carsillo [10:01 - 10:02]: Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [10:02 - 10:25]: So. And that's how we, that's how I, we left. Look, I, I don't just, just again, first impressions. I don't want to say I was disappointed. I think a lot of people are saying I'm disappointed. I don't think that's fair. I. Again, I think people are comparing it to last year, which is, you can't do that. There are some letdowns in this WrestleMania, but I wasn't disappointed. There was some really great stuff that happened. So I'll let you kind of lead that part. 

Ray Carsillo [10:25 - 11:00]: And I think that, like. And going back into that, we'll talk about this as well. If you watch the Raw after Mania, I feel like you have to look at the weekend now, including the Raw after Mania. And I think if you actually include that, it actually brings the show up to like a B or a B plus, because I think Raw paid off so many things in such a satisfying way that it was weird that Mania was kind of like not just not closing the storylines from last year, but setting up the close on Raw. And then there's the. What would be the launching point for what looks like will be the next six to 12 months. Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [11:00 - 11:06]: And if you're an avid wrestling fan, it totally works. But if you just showed up for WrestleMania. 

Xavier [11:07 - 11:08]: Right, exactly. 

Lee MJ Elias [11:08 - 11:11]: You should say what you told me when I saw you today, because there's some truth. 

Xavier [11:11 - 11:56]: Well, my thing is, like, if you're, if we're at the point where WrestleMania is now this like, giant spectacle and we're charging people like super bowl prices to come to WrestleMania and do the whole nine. I think the payoff still needs to be at WrestleMania. Like, I, I get where they're going with this. And Triple H was really kind of adamant this weekend of kind of trying to get ahead of it in that, like, oh, well, what if WrestleMania is the beginning, not the end? And really kind of like hammering that home. So he kind of knows that this is an atypical kind of way to present WrestleMania. And I think that all of us kind of like long term wrestling fans are just kind of like, this feels weird. 

Ray Carsillo [11:56 - 11:56]: Right? 

Lee MJ Elias [11:56 - 12:01]: Right. That's 100% correct. That's exactly what it felt like. It just, it felt weird. 

Ray Carsillo [12:01 - 12:07]: And I Think it also goes back to your point, Zavi, that WrestleMania was two to three weeks later than it normally is. 

Xavier [12:07 - 12:07]: Right. 

Ray Carsillo [12:07 - 12:18]: And I think that, again, this is. I feel like, because they have to now, this is typically when the storylines would be starting, so they have to kind of merge all that together because. Because of the late start to Mania. 

Lee MJ Elias [12:18 - 12:58]: Here's the deal. WrestleMania was the season premiere. And that's, that's what feels weird is we didn't know that. We think it's the season finale. It's a season premiere. And as you said, Ray, with Raw after Mania, it's like, oh, okay. Like I said this to Savi when I saw him this morning. I, I, I. Okay, I can see where we're heading now. I didn't feel that on Sunday night. And again, we'll get into the matches in a moment. But yeah, Triple H saying very clearly, you don't know where this is going. He's been saying that a lot. You don't. And that actually gets me excited because it's like, you know, okay, there's a plan. I can always live with stuff if there's a plan. This isn't like when they made the Star wars sequel and there was no plan. 

Xavier [12:58 - 12:58]: Right. 

Lee MJ Elias [12:58 - 13:07]: Right. There's clearly a plan here. The other thing, too, is I'm really looking forward. I should say thankful that they're going to be coming out with that show about the writing. 

Ray Carsillo [13:07 - 13:08]: Me too. Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [13:08 - 13:14]: That is transcendent for WWE. Vince McMahon somewhere is angrily hitting a table. Yeah. 

Xavier [13:14 - 13:15]: But they're gonna. 

Ray Carsillo [13:15 - 13:17]: They're pulling the curtain all the way back. 

Xavier [13:17 - 13:17]: Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [13:17 - 13:20]: Now it'll be six months behind whatever they're doing. 

Ray Carsillo [13:20 - 13:21]: Right. 

Lee MJ Elias [13:21 - 13:36]: But, like, kayfabe is basically a thing of the past for the most part. Right. Dead in the sense of, like, I can live with. We're not telling you where we're going. We're not going to tell you what's happening today. But I'll tell you what happened six months ago. Like, I like that. I like that a lot. 

Ray Carsillo [13:36 - 13:38]: It's like any other TV show at this point. 

Lee MJ Elias [13:38 - 13:38]: Yeah. 

Xavier [13:38 - 13:39]: Right. 

Lee MJ Elias [13:39 - 13:41]: It's. It's fine with me. So let's get into the matches. 

Ray Carsillo [13:41 - 13:42]: Yes. 

Lee MJ Elias [13:42 - 13:47]: Do a high level because, like, we have some comments on that as well. Welcome to geeks who like WrestleMania. 

Ray Carsillo [13:47 - 14:53]: Yeah. The first night, a lot of title changes. Not surprising, in my opinion. Not surprising. Jay beat Gunther. I like how this sets up Gunther now as. Because now they even started saying it on Raw. Gunther can't win on the biggest stage of them all. Right. He lost the intercontinental title. At Mania. He. He now. He lost the world title at Mania, you know, and he lost by submission. He had his own submission used against him, which was shocking. It's great for Jay. Great moment for Jay. I'm curious to see where Jay goes from here. I'm curious to see who is going to challenge him as a heel for that title. Probably. My guess is, is that probably Seth. I think they're gonna put Braun Breaker now. They're gonna make fashion him as a heel. We'll get into that later. And I think that those are going to be some of the guys going after him, but Jay kind of sitting on his own. Gunther, though, angrily attacked the broadcast team on Monday Night Raw. And it's. I'm really curious to see what this does for Gunther's character. But no surprise, Jay beats Gunther, even though I was surprised that he made him. That he made him tap. Guys, what are your thoughts on the world title match? 

Xavier [14:54 - 15:51]: I. I was expecting Jay to go over. I think that he had too much momentum going into it to not. I think this does a really great job of giving, like, Gunther a fatal flaw, which is great for a guy that is that kind of all encompassing because it can be difficult to book someone like that against people. But to have him kind of be this like, classic overestimator that ends up blowing up in his face is a great kind of flaw for him to kind of work through and for us to kind of watch. So I'm thoroughly enjoying that. And who doesn't want to see, like, Gunther just tear through people? Like, that's what I love. That's what I want Gunther to do. So I think we. Overall, his first World championship reign was very meh. But I think go forward, I think this is gonna kind of create the catalyst to be the kind of like, monster that he's supposed to be. 

Lee MJ Elias [15:51 - 16:51]: Yeah. What I love about it and Savvy, you and I talk about this over the weekend is just, you know, strong character building and. And again, we'll. We'll reference that again in a future match, but they're building strong characters on those and that. That side of the belts. Right. And like, I think it's so important for wwe, and this is not always true, that the World Champion is not the only thing that you care about. Right. And I think that the moves that happened at this WrestleMania, Ray and Savvy, again created some story lines. Like, okay, I'm actually interested in where this is going or that's going. I can't say that's always the case. Yeah. Again, you guys are die hard. Every wrestling show, you're on it. I'm not. Right. I. I don't want to say I'm casual. Probably just. I'm probably the C plus of that if to. But. But yeah, I follow along with what I'm interested in. Right. The stories of what I'm interested in. And those stories are building now. It's cool what they've done there, but I like it. Yeah, it's. It's like the tragic villain Savi. Right? Like, can't win on the big stage, which mimics real life in a lot of ways with a lot of athletes. So I think. I think it's cool. 

Xavier [16:52 - 17:12]: And from just another just storytelling standpoint, like, for the whole WrestleMania weekend, it. You know, we start on the crazy high of Jay USO and end where we end on the weekend. So as far as, like a. A storytelling standpoint, like, this is what you want. Night one was the. Here you go, fans. Everybody feels you feel good. 

Lee MJ Elias [17:12 - 17:24]: Yeah. And Jay's been coming for a while. Like, he's. We'll talk about another person that got a huge pop this weekend, but Jay, you know, had. It had to happen. Like, he's ready to move up 100%. 

Ray Carsillo [17:24 - 17:30]: Just want to quickly mention Gunther, 51 and four in his career. One and two at WrestleMania. 

Lee MJ Elias [17:30 - 17:32]: So that's a cool storyline. 

Ray Carsillo [17:33 - 17:34]: Yes, it's like. 

Lee MJ Elias [17:34 - 17:35]: It's like opposite the Undertaker. 

Ray Carsillo [17:35 - 17:50]: Yeah, A lot. And again, yeah, absolutely. And. And by the way, there was for folks who were basically saying that, like, because there were a couple of folks going into WrestleMania who were like 4 and 0 and be. People were like, they're gonna be the new Undertaker. They all promptly lost it, man. So you're all idiots. 

Lee MJ Elias [17:50 - 17:52]: That record's gonna last a while. 

Ray Carsillo [17:52 - 18:44]: That's what I'm saying. Getting excited because someone's four zero. Like, cool your. Cool your jets. Anyway, moving on. The new day. Take out the War Raiders. To me, this makes the most sense. You needed to re. Establish the new what? New day. As one of the greatest tag teams of all time. The War Raiders. As much as I like them in the ring, I could care less about them outside of it. I actually think Ivar is better as a singles wrestler. I loved it. Him and Bronson Reed, while. I mean, again, while Eric was hurt again, never want anybody to be hurt. But I thought that Ivar's most interesting time as a wrestler was him as a singles wrestler taking on Otis and Bronson Reed every week in that makeshift super heavyweight division. Right. This is the right Move new. They deserve the titles. Let them be heels. Let everybody chase them now as the heel tag champs. This was the right move. 

Xavier [18:44 - 18:54]: No. 100 agree. Yeah. I felt like it was predictable, but it was. It's. We need to move forward past the War Raiders. I just. I felt like it was going stale and so did the audience. 

Ray Carsillo [18:54 - 19:52]: So 100 agreed. Yeah. Jade beats Naomi. Good to see Jade back in the ring. She seems to be taking a step forward. Naomi. I love Naomi as a heel. I love this whole proceed with caution thing. You can see it in the arena. I don't know if you can see it at home. But like all the caution tapes said different things like underappreciated, you know, the third wheel. Things like of all of that nature. I love this character shift for her. It was. I understand Jade had to go over because you need to keep Jade strong. Naomi doesn't need the win as much. But I think we're gonna see Naomi versus Bianca on Friday night smackdown. I think you're gonna see that is where you're going to see those story. Those storylines need to continue still. And I think we'll get into it. I think Bianca needs a break from the main title picture. I think you're going to see that. And I think this continues that. I thought it was a solid match. Not spectacular, but a solid third match on the card. And I'm happy to see Jade taking steps forward. 

Xavier [19:52 - 20:12]: Yeah. Agreed. I think in her time off she definitely, like, put in some work outside of the ring. Definitely, like debuted some new moves, stuff like that. But I think it. The sky's the limit for her. WWE knows that. Yes. She's just got star all over her. So 100. Seeing whether it won't be long before she's got some gold around her waist. 

Lee MJ Elias [20:12 - 20:15]: So, yeah. I'm actually surprised it happened. Hasn't happened yet. Right. 

Xavier [20:15 - 20:24]: Well, she had a world title or the tag team title reign, but other than that, I think they're. I think they want to make sure she's as polished as she can be in the ring. 

Lee MJ Elias [20:24 - 20:39]: Yeah. Before they strap that rock, they're building that crazy correctly. I'm trying to find the right word for her. It's not electrifying, but there's something different about her that you can feel. And it's like I haven't quite. Maybe that's why. Maybe that's why it's not there yet. I haven't figured out what that word is. 

Xavier [20:39 - 20:42]: It's that same like awe inspiring thing that, like China had. You just. 

Lee MJ Elias [20:42 - 20:43]: Yeah. 

Xavier [20:43 - 20:46]: And you're like, that's not. That's not a normal woman. 

Ray Carsillo [20:46 - 20:47]: Right. 

Xavier [20:47 - 20:48]: You know what I mean? 

Ray Carsillo [20:49 - 21:04]: Yeah. But, like, I think to me, she's even better than China, though. She's already better than what China ever was in the ring. And I think that. I think they're gonna. In. Jade's on smackdown, Right? So I think. I think she'll go after the US Title and Chelsea Green first. I think. 

Lee MJ Elias [21:04 - 21:04]: Yeah. 

Ray Carsillo [21:04 - 21:17]: Now she's done with. With Naomi and Bianca, they're gonna go to have their own feud. I think Jade now can go now after. Into a. A secondary title picture before she gets catapulted into the main event picture. 

Lee MJ Elias [21:17 - 21:50]: Yeah, I'll say. I. I like what you guys are saying. I just. Jade coming in. There's. I mean, there's a lot. Look, look, let's just be blunt. There's sex appeal there. There's the style. There's the. I mean, her finish that jaded is. I've completely. I've never seen anything like that. I mean, it makes sense. There's just something there. I do want to shout out to Paul Levesque, Triple H giving China a nod at the hall of Fame ceremony. That was super refreshing to hear. And, you know, again, I just want to give that shout out because I think it's a big deal, but keep going, right? 

Ray Carsillo [21:51 - 22:03]: Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, Triple H, Paul Levesque made a may call on a lot of people that people weren't happy about that he called them out, but they. They were part of his life, in his career, and they deserved that. That spotlight. 

Lee MJ Elias [22:03 - 22:08]: It would be wrong if he didn't do it. That's what I'm trying to say. I. I give the guy credit for not caring what other people think. 

Ray Carsillo [22:08 - 22:12]: Well, yeah, it'd be wrong to admit them from his life, so. 

Xavier [22:12 - 22:16]: Well, and especially him, like, it's. You know. 

Ray Carsillo [22:16 - 23:17]: Yeah. So moving on. I was super excited for this, and it delivered on every level. Jacob Fatu versus La Knight Again, the right move. Fatu, you need to. You keep building him as a unbeatable monster. La Knight doesn't need the title now. You can move him up to the main event picture on smackdown, especially, you know, maybe not. Not immediately, but, like, you could. You can have him go after Cena. You can have him go after. I think that's what they're gonna do. Probably not immediately, but down the road. Yeah. La Knight superstar. The superstar, the megastar moves up to the main event picture. Jacob Fatu now can just crush people with the US Title for a while. Continue to solidify him until you have your next monster. Whether it's somebody else from his family, whether it's a Jeff Cobb, whether it's a Rusev, who knows? All these guys who are coming back now, Malachi Black or Alistair Black, like, it's gonna be interesting to see what they can do, but this was the right move. Yeah, yeah. 

Xavier [23:18 - 23:20]: No, I really have nothing to add. I 100 agree. 

Lee MJ Elias [23:20 - 23:22]: Yeah, go ahead. 

Xavier [23:22 - 23:37]: No, I think, like, WWE wanted Solo to be the standout guy from the next standout guy from the family, but it's Jacob. It's Jacob and you can't deny it. Such a freak athlete that, like. Yeah, nobody is not impressed with him, so. 

Ray Carsillo [23:37 - 25:01]: No, exactly. Like, I mean, I mean, at this point, I don't even want to see Solo challenge him. Right. Like, I, I, I, I, I, I like Solo. I do. And he's a lot of potential there and a lot of talent, but he floundered as the head of the new bloodline. All that stuff, it just, you know, it was a misstep and he might, he might need to reinvent himself a little bit, you know. But we'll also see when. I can't think of Tomatonga's tag team partner. I can't think of his name right now. Yes. Tangaloa. Like, we'll see what happens on that front. El Grande Americano defeated by defeats. Ray Phineas. Excuse me, Ray Phoenix, of course. A last minute addition due to the unfortunate injury for Rey Mysterio. Literally the night before WrestleMania. I have the programs, they were all printed. It says, Rey Mysterio vs El Grande Americano because they couldn't reprint them, obviously at the last minute. But this was a solid match, you know, I mean, look, we all know, we all know it's Chad Gable under the mask, right? Right. But the fact that he can do the Lucha style as well I think just shows his athleticism. Ray Phoenix, obviously they're gonna probably put him back with Penta at some point, but, like, both of them have such amazing star potential. It made sense. It was an easy plug and play to move one Ray in for the other. Yeah, I mean, this was just, it was supposed to be almost like a comedy match, but it was actually still a very solid match. 

Xavier [25:01 - 25:01]: Yeah. 

Ray Carsillo [25:01 - 25:10]: Even though I have no idea what the payoff is going to be at the end because it kind of feels, it's just like, I feel like the gimmick of Grande Americano has already run its course. 

Lee MJ Elias [25:10 - 25:17]: Well, and I'm, I'm pretty sure that Mysterio was Going to win that match. So probably just. They're just. They changed the outcome. 

Ray Carsillo [25:17 - 25:17]: Right. 

Lee MJ Elias [25:17 - 25:24]: They obviously just repeated what he did before. I mean, there was nothing special in the storytelling other than okay, to be continued. 

Xavier [25:24 - 25:34]: Yeah, I, I imagine this has to end in a mask versus mask match at some point, but when they're gonna actually do it, it's just, we'll find out. 

Lee MJ Elias [25:34 - 25:37]: If they're smart, they'll do it on a broadcast, not a pay per view. 

Xavier [25:37 - 25:37]: All right. 

Lee MJ Elias [25:37 - 25:42]: If they just get it out of the way and they'll make a really great Raw or smackdown out of it, that's what you should do, right? 

Ray Carsillo [25:43 - 25:43]: Absolutely. 

Lee MJ Elias [25:43 - 25:47]: You know, or they'll just card it at Backlash and get it over with. 

Ray Carsillo [25:47 - 26:54]: Yeah, that's the other thing too. You could also just do it. I think you're gonna see a lot of stuff at Backlash that will just be the final nail in the coffin for a few of these story lines. I think that might be one of them. One match that. And I texted my friends, I said, and they never will fight again. Tiffany Stratton versus Charlotte Flair. What I deemed going into this as the car crash match of the, of the show. And it basically kind of was. Looked like Charlotte was kind of sandbagging it there for a while. Good on Tiffany for pulling out of it, being able to pull out the win and just getting through what was a slog of a 20 minute match. Yeah, what a real, real shame. For the penultimate match for Tiffany's first title defense at WrestleMania. It's still Tiffy time. And you know what? This is the last months to this build up. This is the kind of thing that if you're Charlotte Flair, you better change your tune quick or when your contract is up, they can show you the door. Because honestly, everybody is sick of her. Everybody's sick of her attitude. Like, if you're not gonna play ball and understand your role within the company, WWE doesn't need you. 

Lee MJ Elias [26:54 - 26:59]: Well, and they have people coming up to take care of that. I mean, which, by the way, we. 

Ray Carsillo [26:59 - 27:03]: Saw a bunch of them on Raw. We'll get to that later. Boy, is the women's division gonna be stacked soon. 

Xavier [27:03 - 27:13]: Right? So, like, I enjoyed the match. Tiffy came at the end of it looking like she was in a fight. So. 

Lee MJ Elias [27:13 - 27:14]: Yeah, yeah, it's true. 

Xavier [27:14 - 27:19]: You know, like she didn't come out like, she like, looked like she came out of a wrestling match. She was in a fight. 

Ray Carsillo [27:20 - 27:22]: Oh, Charlotte was working stiff. Oh, yeah. 

Xavier [27:22 - 27:38]: Oh, yeah. And, and honestly, it's like, it is, it's, it's her time. She's. Yeah, she is the. The girl. She's like the Trish Stratus of today. The fans love her, and Charlotte just needs to understand that, like, you're not the center. 

Ray Carsillo [27:38 - 27:39]: It's. 

Xavier [27:39 - 27:54]: No. The four horsewomen are no longer have to be the focal point of every story. You did your job, you built up the division the way it was supposed to be. Now it's time to do the part where you give back. And she's unfortunately having a difficult time with that. 

Ray Carsillo [27:54 - 28:23]: Yeah, she. You got to do the job. And like. And I'll look and I'll admit this is not the match I wanted going into WrestleMania. When Charlotte won the rumble, I was like, I hope she goes after Rhea because he was the champ at the time. And they do Rhea versus Charlotte, Part three, where while that would have been predictable, it also would have been a banger. You know, like, they were one and one. The storyline was all there and. And then again. And this is the. This was the concern for a lot of fans is would Charlotte be willing to do the job for Tiffany? And she wasn't. 

Xavier [28:23 - 28:23]: She. 

Ray Carsillo [28:23 - 28:51]: She did in the end. You know, Tiffany literally had to pull, you know, pulling teeth from a crocodile, basically. But, like, it. It. It's. It was definitely a thing where, like, this is. This is gonna. Gonna kind of marvel Charlotte's reputation, you know, even more than all her divorces. And like, this is. This is. Yeah, this was a. I'm sorry, this is. This was the. This was the worst match of the night by far, in my opinion. Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [28:52 - 29:07]: Yeah. But give Tiffany props. I mean, she. She's doing this correctly. And again, love their entrance. Even though it was a little kind of funny, it was like, you know, and. And you're right. And she looks like she got the crap kicked out of her. And, you know, great champions do that. 

Xavier [29:07 - 29:08]: To be fair. 

Lee MJ Elias [29:08 - 29:10]: Great champions take the punishment. And she. 

Xavier [29:10 - 29:20]: Yeah, and like, if you're gonna fight Charlotte Flair, you know, you know you're gonna get beat out there in the deep waters. But she was. There's a line. And Charlotte knew what she was doing. 

Ray Carsillo [29:20 - 29:42]: So. Yeah, no, and. And again, also, you know, again, credit Tiffany, the only champion to retain on night one. Every other champion lost her title. There's a title change also, though, I'm glad this is over because, like, I was. I was explaining I was with a large group and there were some casuals within the group and they. They had trouble telling the difference apart between Charlotte and Tiffany. 

Xavier [29:42 - 29:46]: And I'm like, their gear was also Both very similar. 

Ray Carsillo [29:46 - 30:10]: Well, that's the thing. And I guess that that's part of the thing that Charlotte's been doing in the build up is like, you're just a clone of me. You're just clone of me. So Charlotte has purposely been dressing similar to Tiffany. But for people who are just tuning in for WrestleMania and they're watching this particularly live, two long haired blonde women wearing light colored gear and they're like, I can't tell who's who. 

Xavier [30:10 - 30:11]: Right. 

Ray Carsillo [30:11 - 30:28]: That's that, that is that, that also plays into it because, like, yes, I can tell who's Tiffany and Charlotte just by the moves and blah, blah. But like, the casuals are like, who's winning and who's losing. Right. When that question is being asked, that is, that is a bad, that is a sign of a bad match. 

Lee MJ Elias [30:28 - 30:31]: Yeah. I would say this is the low point of WrestleMania. 

Ray Carsillo [30:31 - 30:42]: It was, in my opinion. It definitely, it definitely was. And then one of the higher points, though was the finish immediately after the Triple Threat. Seth Rollins, CM Punk, Roman Reigns, which. 

Lee MJ Elias [30:42 - 30:44]: Which was the peak of wrestling. 

Ray Carsillo [30:44 - 30:45]: One of them for sure. 

Lee MJ Elias [30:45 - 30:46]: Yeah. 

Ray Carsillo [30:46 - 30:57]: I, I, I think, I, I think we all saw this coming, right? That Paul was going to go with Seth. I think not. What question was how it wasn't gonna be the double low blow. Which is awesome. 

Lee MJ Elias [30:58 - 31:01]: It was just, yeah, such drama. It was so good. 

Xavier [31:01 - 31:03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [31:03 - 31:04]: Go ahead, Savvy. 

Ray Carsillo [31:04 - 31:04]: I love it. 

Xavier [31:05 - 31:33]: I, it's the one thing we haven't seen yet or the WWE audience hasn't seen. It's Roman. It's time. We got four years of Paul and Roman. We know what that story looks like. It's done. We had however many years of CM Punk and Paul, we know what that story looks like. It's done. This is, this is the logical next step. And Seth was the Unsung Hero of WrestleMania 40, so it makes sense that he, that they would give him his moment at WrestleMania 41. 

Lee MJ Elias [31:33 - 32:15]: Yeah. There's a few other things in this match too, that I liked. All right. One is that Roman Reigns looks more in shape than I've ever seen him. Right. I recognize that right away. Which kind of, it's not a reinvention, but it's, oh, this guy's had some time to rest and get his game back on. That's number one. Number two, I think my favorite moment of this match or that part of the event actually was kind of off camera and it was seeing CM Punk in the ring after saying, I'm gonna curse. Everybody said, I did it like he. He headlined WrestleMania and he started crying. I don't know if you saw that clip. He starts crying in the ring or like get. His eyes get very teary. Yeah, that was really cool to see because that was a personal moment for him. 

Xavier [32:15 - 32:16]: Right. That. 

Lee MJ Elias [32:16 - 32:30]: That we kind of all got to watch. And you know, he's had a long road and controversial road to get there. Yeah, I think that's my favorite part of it. And then also Rollins is like when he. When he no looked, put his hand out for the chair. 

Ray Carsillo [32:31 - 32:31]: Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [32:31 - 32:41]: I mean, you guys tell me. But that was Michael's level. Good in the way he was selling that. And now he's been like that for a long time. Don't get me wrong. I'm not. I'm not. 

Ray Carsillo [32:41 - 32:45]: Seth Rollins, you could argue is the best performer in wwe. 

Lee MJ Elias [32:45 - 32:50]: I. I would agree. And it's like that was so well done. And Heyman too. I mean, he's just. He's just. 

Ray Carsillo [32:50 - 32:54]: Yeah. Again, he is the wise man. He's one of the greatest of all time. 

Lee MJ Elias [32:54 - 33:04]: It's like, if not the greatest. That was such a great all around event. Part of the event, a moment. And I remember thinking, wow, it's gonna be so much better tomorrow when all this stuff happens. 

Ray Carsillo [33:04 - 33:05]: But. 

Lee MJ Elias [33:05 - 33:07]: But what a great way to end night one. 

Ray Carsillo [33:07 - 35:32]: Yeah, well, we did get some stuff on Monday, but we'll get to that in a bit. But yeah, no, a great way to end night one per. You know, again, Paul joining Seth. Perfect. And then night two. Night two, definitely the overall better night. We were out of our. We were. The first night we were in our seats almost the whole time. Second night, we were out of our seats almost the whole time. EO Sky, I predicted it. Super happy. A lot of people were like, it's gonna be. It's Bianca's time. She hasn't held the title in years. No, Bianca's storyline is gonna be with Naomi. That they still have to finish that. I was surprised that Naomi didn't interfere. I was calling for a Naomi interference to maybe cost Bianca. And I felt like you could have put it back on Ria just because she's so. Because she's so popular. But EOS only held the title for a month. Iyo has done a great job by doing nothing. Has actually gotten more over than she's ever been. Right. By being ignored. The fans actually were like, we're not going to ignore you. By the way, a whole bunch of new EO merch just came out, in case you're curious. We were over. We. We were over the moon for the genius of the sky that is IO sky. She deserved it. We loved it. And by the way, seeing it live, you could see. I know it's. It's shot differently, obviously for tv, but you could see Iyo setting up for the moonsault and like, she's gonna do it. She's gonna hit it. She's gonna hit the ball. Bianca's over the pin and you can see that it happened. And then a whole stadium erupted and IO retains in wonderful fashion, which, by the way. And now they've set up a whole bunch of challengers for her on Raw. This is. This was the best possible outcome. And also Bianca's winning streak now at Mania at four zero is now snapped. Only four and zero, folks. Anyway, that, that goes. That's a shout out to a couple of people in my booth who are in my suite or like, Bianca's never gonna lose. And I'm like, you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, no. EO deserved this. I'm glad this was the right result. This is best for. This is best for business. This is best for everybody. Bianca can go fight Naomi now. Rhea can. Ria's better chasing anyway, so Rhea can stay in the title. Paper, paper, title picture on Raw. And EO can say his champion for. For until SummerSlam at least. Right. 

Xavier [35:32 - 36:02]: And I think this new crop of women coming up from NXT suit Iyo being the champion far more than it would Rhea or Bianca, because the crop that's coming up, they're far more technical, they're far finesse kind of wrestlers who are just. If you were going to have the title on Bianca or Ria are just going to run into the big. The brick wall that is Bianca or Ria. So I think to showcase and build up this new crop, I think EO's the move. 

Lee MJ Elias [36:02 - 36:05]: Yeah, they definitely did a great match on Raw. We'll talk about in a bit. 

Ray Carsillo [36:05 - 37:13]: Oh, well, yeah, no, yeah. I mean, it's. Yeah, 100%. Drew McIntyre, Damien Priest, sin City, Street Fight. Actually better than I thought it was going to be. I. I did not have a lot of high hopes for this. Also, by the way, brought, you know, sponsored by Doom, the new Doom game coming out in a couple of weeks. All their gear match that. You also had the guitarist from Slayer playing Damien Priest, even though there was something wrong with the audio. Oh, yeah, the stadium. I don't know what was on tv, but on the stadium it was bad. Sorry. And, uh, yeah. And Drew McIntyre wins. I think that's the right move. I think he put Drew over. I will say. I don't know if there's been any reports. It looked like they both were legit injured at the end of that match. Drew, a more minor injury, maybe a rib or something. Whereas Priest, they had to clear the way. Like, that was. It wasn't shown on television. Priest, they had. They. People rushed down to the ring. They brought in a. An emergency cart. Like, like you see the cart. The players on the NFL off. 

Lee MJ Elias [37:13 - 37:13]: Yeah. 

Ray Carsillo [37:13 - 37:25]: Cleared the path. They took them the barricade. Priest got carded off or. And out of the stadium immediately. Like. And I don't think. I don't think they showed that on television, which makes me believe that's a legit injury. 

Lee MJ Elias [37:25 - 37:27]: Yeah, we. I didn't see that. 

Xavier [37:27 - 37:27]: No, they didn't. 

Ray Carsillo [37:27 - 38:06]: Yeah, it. It looked like. It looked like Priest was legit having trouble breathing. Like, again, I don't know if he legit broke his ribs or something, but like, that, that last. It felt like that went. They went to the finish a little quick on that because I think Priest got legit hurt when he went through. When he went through the double table to the outside. I think he got. Got legit hurt. And yeah, he got. He got carted off in. In. In the golf cart with a bunch of medical personnel surrounding him. And so I hope for a speedy, speedy recovery. There's been no. I haven't heard a report about what it is specifically, but I do not. I think. I do not think that is a work. I think that is a legit. He is legit hurt. 

Lee MJ Elias [38:06 - 38:09]: Well, the fact we didn't see it on TV tells you it is. So. 

Ray Carsillo [38:09 - 38:30]: Yeah, so, yeah, so speedy recovery to Damien Priest, but also at the same time, both of these guys could probably take a little bit of a break now. Anyway, whenever they're ready. The main title picture is not going anywhere. You can insert them both back in whenever you want. But, yeah, so solid match. Better than expected. 

Xavier [38:31 - 38:48]: Yeah. And I didn't know that there was actually, like, as much build for it as there was between, like, the Royal Rumble Eliminations illumination. I just wasn't paying attention to Damien Priest that much. So when they went into the backstory, I was like, oh, okay. I guess there is something more here than I originally thought. But, yeah, pleasantly surprised. 

Lee MJ Elias [38:48 - 38:49]: Yeah, it was a good filler. 

Ray Carsillo [38:50 - 39:36]: Yeah. Next, the Fatal Four way for the Intercontinental title. My only mark against it would be. That is the. Basically the exact same finish as the women's Triple threat. Right. Lack of communication in the back there via. Between Produce match producers. But again, I think this is the right move. I think if. If Dominic didn't win, then Braun had to retain, in my opinion. Yeah, I think, I think Penta has been there, hasn't been there long enough. I think Finn is better as just like this bitter, angry little Irishman than he is as that he would be as a champion right now. And him too. He's late enough in his career where he should be putting people over, not. Not winning the title. But Dom deserves this. Dom had. Dom went so far heel that he came back around to being a. I. 

Lee MJ Elias [39:36 - 39:49]: Was, I was just gonna say that, that when he won, there's a pop from the crowd and. And it's not the pop I was. I'm gonna talk about in a minute. But like, it was funny to see because people were happy that he won. 

Ray Carsillo [39:49 - 39:57]: We were, we were all chanting, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty, dirty. 

Xavier [39:57 - 39:58]: Everybody, everybody. 

Lee MJ Elias [39:58 - 40:22]: The stone cold effect, right. You're supposed to be bad, but it turns you good because the fans know this guy's paid his dues and he sold it. And now they're appreciative of that. And it's going to be funny if they go baby face with him, which they could. They can do. They know it. I'll also say too that Bron Breaker and again, this paid off obviously on Monday night, but man, what an appearance. I mean, he really stood out in that match. Yeah. 

Xavier [40:22 - 40:28]: Well, what you have to do if you're gonna make him lose like you want him to, you want know still come out being Braun Breaker. 

Lee MJ Elias [40:28 - 40:28]: Yeah. 

Ray Carsillo [40:29 - 40:33]: Similarly to La Knight drops the title. Now you can move him up to the main event picture. 

Lee MJ Elias [40:33 - 40:34]: Right. 

Ray Carsillo [40:34 - 40:37]: Because Braun, he's definitely got that, that. 

Lee MJ Elias [40:37 - 40:40]: It factor does right now. Yeah, yeah. 

Ray Carsillo [40:40 - 40:52]: You can just keep, you can just keep moving him up, I think. And yeah, no, he, he, he looked amazing in that match. It also protects him. He didn't take the pin. Right. You have Finn take the pin. 

Lee MJ Elias [40:53 - 41:01]: What's cool about him is, is just the unpredictability and he looks like he's gonna do. You never know what he's gonna do is the intensity is amazing. 

Xavier [41:01 - 41:01]: Right. 

Lee MJ Elias [41:01 - 41:21]: And he's keeping it up. So I love that character because he's unpredictable and, and as we find out. Right. But it's one of those things from a character building the character himself is kind of simple. It's like, oh, he's a maniac. But it's the underside of that character of, well, you don't know what he's gonna do that makes it so great. 

Ray Carsillo [41:21 - 41:44]: Yeah, yeah. No, he. He has done it brilliantly. He's leaned into his Steiner heritage, but also carved out a nice niche for himself, which isn't always easy to do, but yeah, other quick thing. Love that Dominic basically ad libbed running back to the ring with the title to get one more ovation. And you had Finn stare at him like. 

Lee MJ Elias [41:44 - 41:47]: Yeah, they all did there. What do you. Yeah. 

Ray Carsillo [41:47 - 41:57]: And to your guy's point, it feels like everybody except for Finn in the Judgment Day has kind of turned face recently. Including Living Raquel, who we'll get to shortly. 

Xavier [41:57 - 41:57]: Right. 

Ray Carsillo [41:57 - 42:06]: Except for Finn. Further insinuating that group at least Finn, I think is going to finally be kicked out of that sooner rather than later. 

Xavier [42:06 - 42:10]: I agree. And it's time we got to do something different with the Judgment Day anyway. So. 

Ray Carsillo [42:10 - 42:48]: Yeah, we got to get rid of. Look, we got to bring back Demon Finn. Right. Like, I think Finn needs to leave and I think everybody else. And especially because, you know, we'll get into it more on RAW. JD McDonough came back. I think that that group is full. We don't need Finn there anymore. Yeah, this was fun. This was. The Randy Orton open challenge was up next. There were rumors we had this guy had been mentioned early, but a few folks had. We kind of poo pooed it because. Because it. There was no way that WWE would give a prime time spot at WrestleMania to the TNA World Heavyweight Champion. 

Xavier [42:48 - 42:49]: Triple H would. 

Ray Carsillo [42:50 - 42:56]: But they did. Also cementing the fact that, by the way, when Joe Hendry's contract is up. Joe Hendry is so going to the wwe. 

Lee MJ Elias [42:56 - 42:58]: Oh my goodness. The pop that he got. Look. 

Ray Carsillo [42:58 - 43:09]: Oh, we flipped out. We flipped out. We were jumping up and down. We were. Everybody. The only time that the entire stadium was on key and in unison was singing Joe Hendry's song. 

Lee MJ Elias [43:09 - 43:16]: I. I saw that savvy. I'm sure you did, Ray. Through the television like. And, and the camera work on him was great. 

Xavier [43:16 - 43:17]: Oh yeah, yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [43:17 - 43:21]: But you could tell. Oh, everyone, that was the biggest pop of the night, I think was for him. 

Xavier [43:21 - 43:28]: Randy or you? They cut to Randy Orton like in the ring and he's looking around like, okay, I. I see it. 

Lee MJ Elias [43:28 - 43:31]: So well done. Everything was okay. He's like, this makes sense. 

Ray Carsillo [43:32 - 44:02]: And this also goes back to the Rumble when you had Seamus watching him versus the Miz. Because like, like the W wrestling fans, not just WWE fans, wrestling fans, love what Joe Hendry has done. He's great in the ring. He's super great. He. Look, he's great in the ring, but he's Even better on the microphone. Right, right, right. Like, and the p. The song parodies he's done over the years. He's just. Nobody is over more in wrestling right now than Joe Hendricks. 

Lee MJ Elias [44:02 - 44:06]: Well, so both of you have agreed that if I was a wrestler, I'd be him. 

Ray Carsillo [44:06 - 44:06]: Right. 

Lee MJ Elias [44:07 - 44:14]: And I, there's a, there's a cute lameness, but appreciation factor to that. And I appreciate both of you. In honor of him, I'll do that. 

Ray Carsillo [44:16 - 44:19]: And then the RKO out of nowhere on that. 

Lee MJ Elias [44:19 - 44:22]: It was brilliant. It was so beautifully done. 

Ray Carsillo [44:23 - 44:26]: The best three minute match in WrestleMania history. 

Lee MJ Elias [44:26 - 44:27]: Oh, yeah. Yeah. 

Xavier [44:27 - 44:30]: It did exactly what it was supposed to do. It was, it was great. 

Lee MJ Elias [44:31 - 44:36]: Yeah. And, and again, Triple H saying you'll be back. Like, it's like. Yeah. No, no. Yeah. 

Ray Carsillo [44:36 - 44:40]: So if you're Joe Hendry, then who is me and Zavi. 

Lee MJ Elias [44:40 - 44:41]: No. This is my moment, Ray. 

Ray Carsillo [44:41 - 44:45]: And I'm gonna, I think I'm Paul Heymon. That's all. 

Lee MJ Elias [44:45 - 44:49]: That's, that's. Well, I, I don't know if you turn on your friends, like, he would. 

Ray Carsillo [44:50 - 44:51]: Probably not. 

Lee MJ Elias [44:51 - 45:04]: Yeah. So, so, I mean, look, Paul Heyman. No, I, I don't know. The thing that makes Polymen will do anything to survive. All right? And, Right. We're not talking real life right now. I know you will do anything to survive, but I don't, I don't think. 

Ray Carsillo [45:04 - 45:05]: Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [45:05 - 45:16]: You would do that to your, to your friends. Like, you have some loyalty. Yeah. So I'd have to think about that. All right. That, that's. And I want to make you a wrestler. Not, Not Paul Heyman. 

Ray Carsillo [45:16 - 45:24]: Okay, we'll get back to it then. Yeah, definitely. Two guys that I don't think either of us are. Logan Paul beats AJ Styles. 

Lee MJ Elias [45:25 - 45:25]: Boring. 

Xavier [45:25 - 45:31]: I didn't even predict this one because I was just like, they could go either way. It doesn' matter for anybody. 

Ray Carsillo [45:31 - 45:31]: It's. Yeah. 

Xavier [45:31 - 45:32]: Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [45:32 - 45:41]: Logan's Paul and Savvy, you and I were talking about this. His character is unwelcome. Like, the selfie cam, it's like, guys, what the hell are you doing? 

Ray Carsillo [45:41 - 45:44]: We've already done for a wrestling audience. 

Xavier [45:45 - 46:03]: And it's just like, I, I, I texted Lee about this. I think the part where he's going to struggle as far as wrestling goes is the part where he actually has to build a character where he has to do something else that isn't just being Logan Paul. So I think you can't do that. 

Ray Carsillo [46:03 - 46:04]: When you're only wrestling once every two months. 

Lee MJ Elias [46:04 - 46:15]: Well, I'm gonna say it too. The only. This is my Opinion. You guys can tell me if. If you disagree. The only path for him to succeed, if he even wants to do that. I'm not convinced he wants to do that. 

Ray Carsillo [46:15 - 46:16]: Yeah. 

Lee MJ Elias [46:16 - 46:29]: Is he's gonna have to take kind of a Cody Rhodes approach where he's gonna have to get beat to hell for weeks. I mean, he's really gonna have to take punishment, I think, to even earn anything from wrestling fans. I think he earned. No, he's not. 

Ray Carsillo [46:29 - 46:34]: And I think wrestling fans would enjoy that too much. Like, he would never get over that way. He would never get over. 

Lee MJ Elias [46:34 - 46:51]: Well, that's my point is that I think that's the only path and I think that I don't. A, I don't think he's willing to do that. B, It's. It's. I don't. Who's gonna want to do that to him. Right. Because he's worth too much. I mean, he's probably the richest wrestler there, right? Outside maybe Orton. I think he's probably worth more than Orton is. 

Ray Carsillo [46:51 - 46:52]: Is. 

Lee MJ Elias [46:52 - 46:52]: All right. 

Ray Carsillo [46:52 - 46:54]: It's probably worth more than a lot of them. 

Lee MJ Elias [46:54 - 47:07]: Yeah. I mean there's just. There's just not a path there that makes me want to watch. I will say this like he, he earned some respect for his ability at that Crown jewel event a few years ago. Like. Like he did better than anyone. 

Ray Carsillo [47:07 - 47:12]: And even at the Rumble when he hit with ricochet with the. There's no denying his athleticism. 

Lee MJ Elias [47:12 - 47:12]: Right. 

Ray Carsillo [47:12 - 47:15]: Right. Everything else. 

Lee MJ Elias [47:16 - 47:16]: Yeah. 

Xavier [47:17 - 47:19]: If you guys saw that Kyrie and. 

Ray Carsillo [47:19 - 47:46]: Cross like tirade, that's the coming out of that match. Kross strap a rocket to him. I've been saying it for months and just like everybody else, I was furious he didn't win the Andre the Giant Battle Battle Royale Memorial on Friday night. Smackdown. Give carrying Cross something to do beyond just being a guy trying to pull strings. Let him wrestle. Let him wrestle. 

Xavier [47:47 - 47:52]: I'm with it because that was the best thing to come out of the AJ Styles Logan 100. 

Ray Carsillo [47:52 - 48:01]: So 100 is carrying Cross is a hundred percent more important than AJ Styles and Logan Paul at this point, especially. 

Xavier [48:01 - 48:09]: After Mania, which is not the point of a match, but hey, as if he benefits from it. More power to him. 

Ray Carsillo [48:09 - 48:31]: Yeah. Moving in now to the penultimate match of the main of WrestleMania, Lyra Valkyria. To the surprise of Noah, they did storyline wise that Roxanne beat up Bailey on Saturday. Bailey had to be pulled out of Mania. They're gonna reignite that feud to kind of help usher Roxanne onto the main roster, which we all expected Anyway, Right. And Becky lynch comes back. 

Xavier [48:31 - 48:31]: Yay. 

Lee MJ Elias [48:31 - 48:32]: The man. 

Xavier [48:32 - 48:38]: Yeah, it was a fun moment. I'm sure it was fun. Was it fun being there? It was random watching it on tv. 

Ray Carsillo [48:38 - 49:03]: But, yeah, it was a fun pop. We all knew what was that was gonna probably be who it was once we heard Bailey was. Was hurt. But I was shocked that they won, at least until Monday night. But at least I thought. I thought that what they did on Monday night, and this is the one time where I think we should. We should talk about ahead of ourselves, is that Monday night, Becky and Lyra dropped the titles back to live in Raquel. 

Xavier [49:03 - 49:03]: Right. 

Ray Carsillo [49:04 - 49:23]: Which I'm all. Which I love. And then Becky turns heel on Lyra, blaming her for the loss, which I think is also phenomenal, because now let the two of them feud, because hopefully Becky will give Lyra the rub, because as much as. As good as Lyra is in the ring, she's another person who I'm just like, I just don't care. 

Xavier [49:23 - 49:29]: Right. Yeah. Like, you being a bird is not doing it for me. I need. I need a little bit more like. 

Ray Carsillo [49:29 - 50:13]: Yeah, like, they were hoping that giving her the intercontinental title was going to give her a bump, and it hasn't. So also, hopefully that title, which while the u. S. Title has been massively upgraded with what, you know, elevated with Chelsea Green, that title, hopefully Lyra drops it, gives it to Becky, Becky can give that title some shine, maybe gives the title then back to Lyra, and then, like, hopefully a good feud with them will kind of catapult Lyra to that next level because she has been floundering, in my opinion. So with what happened on raw, I think you got the right result, which is now Becky vs Lyra is set up and that Liv and Raquel are still the tag champs. I was just shocked that they actually dropped the title at all, even if it was only for 24 hours. 

Xavier [50:13 - 50:17]: Yeah, I mean, it was fun to see Becky. Glad to see her back again. 

Ray Carsillo [50:17 - 50:17]: The. 

Xavier [50:17 - 50:28]: That whole match as a whole. I think the general opinion was, like, this is weird and random, but we're. But glad that we got, you know, something out of it at the very least. 

Ray Carsillo [50:28 - 50:39]: Yes, it was a very basic tag match. Right. Again, it is weird that that match didn't feel complete until what happened on Monday night Raw. 

Xavier [50:39 - 50:39]: Agreed. 

Ray Carsillo [50:39 - 51:16]: And we'll get into more of that as well, because obviously that felt that way for a lot of stuff. Final match, John cena got rid of all his special graphics. All this other stuff comes down. He's like, this is It. This is the end. You get basic Chiron. Season premiere all in black gums down to the ring. And with help from Travis Scott, which again, the best thing about WrestleMania is that we no longer. Longer have to hear Fame ever again. It's a terrible song. Whatever. I don't care. I don't care. Whatever. I don't care. 

Lee MJ Elias [51:16 - 51:20]: They said it a hundred times in the song. And you hear him go, fiend, fiend. 

Ray Carsillo [51:20 - 51:24]: The problem is, is that when that. That song would come on, I would mute the television. 

Lee MJ Elias [51:24 - 51:32]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, just for everyone's knowledge, if you haven't. If you have kids and you haven't searched up what that word means yet, please, please go do so. 

Ray Carsillo [51:32 - 51:35]: I don't even want to know. I don't even want to know. 

Lee MJ Elias [51:35 - 51:36]: You don't, but it's okay. 

Ray Carsillo [51:37 - 52:15]: Travis Scott. This is where I was disappointed. Right. Result. Terrible way to get there in the main event. Cody Rhodes, I'm thrilled he dropped the title. Honestly, I felt he should have dropped it months ago. I get why they saved it for Cena. Also super excited that I was there in person for his 3. 17 dimensions. Even the cut was the promo on Monday night. Never seen 17 time champ John Cena. Right. Result. Travis Scott's the one who costs Cody. 

Xavier [52:15 - 52:27]: My. Why? My thing is you protected Cody for three years. For three years, building this man up. And like, you have him lose because of Travis Scott. 

Ray Carsillo [52:27 - 52:28]: Yeah. 

Xavier [52:28 - 52:52]: I was like, you built him up for three years and just to, like, blow it up with Travis Scott. And I was like, I get it. We're not supposed to enjoy the, you know. You know, we're not supposed to love the results, but it just felt so deflating. My. My caveat to all this is if the Rock wasn't going to be the payoff at WrestleMania, then I quite frankly didn't really need to know that the Rock was the catalyst to John Cena's heel turn. 

Ray Carsillo [52:53 - 52:53]: Yeah. 

Xavier [52:53 - 53:00]: At all. We could have still been riding that in the dark, and it would have made the ending of WrestleMania no different. 

Ray Carsillo [53:00 - 53:23]: Yeah. No. 100. I mean, that's the thing is like, to your point, Zavi, I. Again, right. Result. But you should have had Travis Scott interfere. Then the Rock interfere, maybe even Rollins or somebody else that you wanted to, like, really solidify as a heel, come down and interfere. Right. You could have had Rollins be like, the only reason why you're champ is because of me in the first place. I give it and I take it away. 

Xavier [53:23 - 53:24]: Right? 

Ray Carsillo [53:24 - 54:02]: Then I'm like, okay, cool. Cena won, but he Needed all of his help. Right. So again, you kind of don't completely, you don't tarnish everything that happened with Cody. Like, if you have like three interferences, Travis Scott, he gets a crossroads and then that's it, and it's just whatever, like, go away. I, I, I am so hope. Please do not let us. I don't want not Travis Scott ever near a wrestling ring ever again. He's not bad Bunny, who clearly put in the reps, put in the time, showed up for a whole bunch more shows and, like, actually built a storyline. Travis Scott, go away, Rock. Get off your butt. Stop being lazy and show up and do your job. 

Lee MJ Elias [54:02 - 54:04]: I wonder what happened that he wasn't. 

Ray Carsillo [54:04 - 54:07]: There because he drank too much tequila. 

Lee MJ Elias [54:07 - 54:12]: No, I'm serious. I wonder if he had, if, I wonder if he was supposed to be there and something happened. 

Xavier [54:12 - 54:24]: No, they were saying he wasn't going to be there for like, a really long time, but then he inserted himself and then, so then it made us think, like, that was going to be the case. And then they were just like, nope, Just kidding. 

Ray Carsillo [54:24 - 54:34]: Yeah, it sounds, it sounds like the Rock is calling audibles whenever and when, Whenever and wherever he wants. And, like, him and Triple H are starting to, like, butt heads a little bit. 

Lee MJ Elias [54:34 - 55:53]: Well, look, here's the thing with that match. It's a record setting event. You know, I, I was saying before too, that I wonder how much thought went into. Okay, look, if we're gonna have him, Blake, break this record, there needs to be some. He has to do it right. Like, it can't be with the help of somebody else. And maybe they go, look, oh, well, Travis is small enough that it's not really him. I don't know. I, I, I, this match, to me was a letdown. I'm, I'm not against Cena winning, obviously. Like, I don't think anybody had an issue with that. It's just like I was sitting there texting Savvy, going, well, something else is gonna happen. Like, something else has to happen. And they're like, all right, everybody, good night. I was like, what the hell? You know? So there's a difference between disappointment and someone winning or losing a match and disappointment because you were expecting something bigger to happen. I'm gonna say it again. We'll kind of bookend this. I was never expecting them to, to do better than last year. All right. Last year was one of the greatest things I've ever seen in my life. I mean, I mean that from, from a wrestling standpoint, but this was way Below what I was expecting to happen. Yeah. And again, savvy, I think you're right. They could have had Cena turn heel on his own and then it come out last night or whenever that actually the rocks behind all of this. Then it's like, oh, wow, this is really good now. It doesn't ruin anything. No one's disappointed. 

Ray Carsillo [55:53 - 55:53]: No. 

Lee MJ Elias [55:53 - 56:05]: Right now again, we'll get to the Monday after Raw in a minute or the Raw after Mania in a second where they did set this up a bit more. But yeah, the ending of WrestleMania was a little bit of a letdown. Certainly not as good as night one. 

Ray Carsillo [56:05 - 56:12]: No. Yeah, no, the ending of night two was not as good as the ending of night one. But I will say night two, overall, I. I think was still better than night one. 

Lee MJ Elias [56:12 - 56:13]: Yes. 

Ray Carsillo [56:13 - 56:36]: Yeah. So then we go into Monday Night Raw. Cena comes out as expected, and he starts a countdown. This is how many days I have Left here in WWE. Only 27 appearances. That's it. And then. And I've been calling this. And again, he's been quietly hinting at it. Cena says all this stuff again. Continues to play the perfect heel. Insults everybody in this. 

Lee MJ Elias [56:36 - 56:37]: He's doing a great job with this. 

Ray Carsillo [56:37 - 57:15]: He is. So you really appreciate just how good Cena is now and then, out of nowhere, Randy Orton. Because he said it. He wants number 15. Right? He wants it. He's been close. He's knocking on that door. And I do think Randy will actually be willing the next. Before Randy retires the next five years or so. I think Randy is going to break Cena's record. But you're also, if you're going to play the greatest hits, one of those greatest hits is Cena versus Orton. Randy as the. This is great too, because this never happened. Randy as the face versus Cena as the heel. 

Xavier [57:16 - 57:16]: Right. 

Lee MJ Elias [57:16 - 57:43]: Well, and what I loved about that setup is two things, you know, is Cena saying how like, this is the last. I'm the best. You're never gonna see this again. And it. The camera work of just like, wait, what about me? Yeah, yeah, you know what? I was like, that's a great point. And then Ray, I loved. I loved when he grabs the belt and it's like, this was an interesting moment because he kind of lifts it with the. You guys okay with this? You are okay with this? And then he lived. I really do think if they weren't okay, he would have put it back down. 

Xavier [57:44 - 57:44]: You know what I mean? 

Lee MJ Elias [57:44 - 57:47]: So, yeah, it was a cool. Everyone's okay with this. 

Ray Carsillo [57:48 - 57:51]: We want Randy as a face champion, at least for a little bit. 

Lee MJ Elias [57:51 - 58:00]: Yeah. And that's the other side of the dial there. Right. Is, is like this, that's a payoff moment. That. And as you said at the beginning, that made that final match a little bit better. 

Ray Carsillo [58:00 - 58:20]: Yes, it was a good payoff. And yeah. And I think that I'm all for it. I'm all for Randy becoming champion again, going for number 15 and then again. Yeah, yeah. And look. And then you have Cody back. Come back at some point, maybe you have Cody come back as a heel because Cody has said that he will turn heel and then probably at one time himself and then probably retire. 

Lee MJ Elias [58:20 - 58:41]: Well, I still think that there's that, no one's talking about. There's that storyline with the Rock and Cody that happened Monday after Mania last year that they have never revisited and they may never revisit it. But, but that he handed him something and said kind of cryptically, don't ever betray me again. And we, I would like to see that story play out. 

Xavier [58:41 - 59:14]: I think, I think Cody's going to be the one to take it back in December. I think they're going to get him off of our screens for a little bit, let us like relax on him and then really like, I think this go around was to, you know, get the title on them, see how we're gonna do. And now that they know that the kids react to him the way that they react to John Cena, I think like they're gonna build him up to take it at it, take it to retire Cena at the end and then really kind of the passing of the torch as far as Cody be. 

Lee MJ Elias [59:14 - 59:35]: Yeah, the baby face. I can tell you this too. My son who's 11, was very upset that Cody lost. Like, like I had to calm him down. Upset. Not. He wasn't screaming or crying or anything like that, but I had to be like, hey buddy. It's a story. Like he was mad. So kids love him. Kids love him. Yeah. They don't know Cena like you and I. 

Ray Carsillo [59:35 - 59:44]: No, no, you. Right. No, Cody is their Cena. But. And that's the thing is that also, I mean, Cena's a 17 time champ because he did lose it 16 times. 

Xavier [59:44 - 59:44]: Correct. 

Ray Carsillo [59:44 - 1:00:59]: Right. Like this happens. Right? So yeah, no, it, it, it was, this was the right result. A couple other good things from raw. Sami Zayn returns. Rusev crush. Rusev is back. That's great. We knew he was coming back. I don't know why he attacked Otis and tazawa, but. Okay. J.D. mcDonough came back to help Dom in his first intercontinental title defense. Again, setting up, we said earlier, kind of starting to not make the whole judgment day seem to be faces now. Except for Finn, by the way. I also love the JD McDonough Iron Lung shirt merch because obviously he punctured his lung and now he's. I thought that was. I thought that was like a cool, cool piece of merch, even though I would never wear anything from J.D. mcDonough. But okay, you know, and then all the ladies, all the ladies. This was the big deal. I was thrilled. Julia, Roxan Perez and Stephanie Vacair come over from nxt, showing we don't need Charlotte Flair and showing that. Look at all this young talent thriving on the main roster. That was a great match against EO sky with Stephanie in Toll, obviously you had the interference. Julia staring down Ria like, I'm all for it. Let's go. 

Xavier [1:01:00 - 1:01:18]: Yeah. You knew they weren't going to spend too, too long on nxt. They were too good. Coming into nxt, this was just kind of a. Kind of a stop. Get used to the WWE style. Welcome to the main roster because we are off and running with these girls. And I'm so excited. 

Ray Carsillo [1:01:18 - 1:01:57]: Yes. As soon as Stephanie drops the title, she's immediately on the main roster. And that's gonna happen probably sooner rather than later. And then. Yeah. And then finally. And then. Yeah. Braun Breaker, we mentioned him earlier, joining Seth Rollins at the end of the night and Paul Heyman in the start of what could be a new faction. You probably need one more wrestler to join it. Who could it be? Could it be Rusev? Could it be Malachi Black coming back? Could it be any of these other folks who, Who. Who knows? But Seth Rollins as the architect, as the. As the revolutionary, as the visionary. Paul Heymon as his wise man now, and Braun Breaker as the muscle. That's a. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:01:57 - 1:01:58]: That's a good start. 

Ray Carsillo [1:01:58 - 1:02:30]: Little action right there. Yeah. Really excited to see where they go with that. And then also, by the way, little news that broke on night one. WWE bought AAA Wrestling out of. Out of. Out of Mexico. The biggest Lucha, you know, luchas, that federation in the world. Now you're gonna have, like, El Hijo the Vikingo coming over. You're gonna have all of these new luchadors, folks. It is an exciting time to be a wrestling fan and a WWE fan in particular. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:02:30 - 1:02:33]: Yeah, I mean. Yeah, go ahead. No, you go ahead, buddy. 

Xavier [1:02:33 - 1:03:26]: I know. I was saying this is just another example of, like, wwe, like, taking a step back, like Learning the formula, they saw. Aw, kind of kick that forbidden door thing open. They said, okay, give us a second. Figure it out now. Now we're gonna see a WWE kind of kicking down that forbidden door. And I think it's great because we're gonna. We are going to have people who made their name in AAA have, like, an avenue to give back to that organization. Like your penta, your pentas, your. A Phoenix is. So I. I think it'll be great. I think it's always a little bit iffy when a big organization comes in and, like, buys, you know, another. But, you know, that's business, and it's no stranger to the wwe. So, yeah, yeah, hopefully it's a. Hopefully it's a positive thing for the. The wrestlers in that area. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:03:26 - 1:03:50]: Well, look, if there's one thing that WWE understands, it's the business. You know, it's funny, they never refer to it as a sport. I don't know if you got people pick up. It's always the business. I understand the business, and. And Triple H and. And WWE understand the business. Right? So it's a bit of a rapid expansion. But I would also say, Savvy, that AEW forced them into this. Okay, you know what? We're gonna buy everything now, all right? 

Ray Carsillo [1:03:50 - 1:03:53]: AEW had great ideas, and WWE perfected them well. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:03:53 - 1:04:37]: And that's. That's what great business people do. Listen, I can tell you right now, there is in business a patience that you have to have both politically and. And from a savvy standpoint. And then if you're patient and you have a boatload of money, which helps you be patient, you're going to make better decisions or you're going to perfect what other people do. That's what Apple does. Right? Apple didn't invent the smartphone. Apple didn't invent the tablet. Apple didn't invent the music player. But they somewhat perfected them at the right moment, you know, and that's what WWE has always done. They saw it. They did it. And again, even though this was a C plus, or we'll say a B minus, wrestlemania when you add in the. The Raw. Yeah, the story continues. Savvy says it perfectly. I'm still gonna watch. And you're right, like, there was nothing here that, like, was like, I don't want to watch this anymore. 

Ray Carsillo [1:04:37 - 1:04:47]: Well, did you see. Did you see Triple H after WrestleMania? They. They. He's like, and that's it. And that's the end of the year. And now the off season starts, and. 

Xavier [1:04:47 - 1:04:49]: Then they throw Another script at him. 

Ray Carsillo [1:04:49 - 1:04:58]: Somebody gives another script, he's like, okay, here we go. The road to WrestleMania 42 starts right now. Literally the off season was five seconds, right? 

Lee MJ Elias [1:04:59 - 1:05:11]: It's 24 7, 365, man. But yeah, look again, not perfect, not the worst. Had a good moments. Will not be the greatest WrestleMania of all time. All right, But. But it wasn't the worst WrestleMania of all time. Time. 

Ray Carsillo [1:05:11 - 1:05:15]: And hopefully they learn to stay away from Vegas now, because Vegas was not ready to handle that. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:05:15 - 1:05:19]: Well, now they're heading to the gateway to the west, right. In St. Louis. Or is that. Where are they going next year? 

Ray Carsillo [1:05:19 - 1:05:22]: Where they say WrestleMania's New Orleans next year. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:05:22 - 1:05:25]: New Orleans, which is great. So St. Louis is backlash. Right. That's my fault. 

Ray Carsillo [1:05:25 - 1:05:33]: Yeah, yeah. And then let's see, you got SummerSlam. Summerslams in Jersey. Yeah. First two night SummerSlam is in Jersey this year at MetLife. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:05:33 - 1:06:00]: Well, I think that that might have been part of the strategy too, is that SummerSlam is like the opposite WrestleMania. Right. So it's. Why not build that up to be bigger? Right? That's the other thing that there's this unwritten rule that WrestleMania has to be the biggest event of the year. And it. It will be, don't get me wrong. But there's no. Nothing to say we can't make another event bigger, you know, via this. So I think the fact it's two nights tells you something's gonna happen there too. 

Ray Carsillo [1:06:01 - 1:06:15]: Yeah, absolutely. And I like that SummerSlam has kind of started to cement itself kind of in the New York, New Jersey area. At least a lot of them over the years have been there. Although SummerSlam next year they've already announced for Minneapolis, which should be fun. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:06:15 - 1:06:17]: Yes. Can't do that in the winter. 

Ray Carsillo [1:06:17 - 1:06:18]: No. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:06:19 - 1:06:23]: Tonight it's negative 9 degrees here in St. Paul, Minneapolis, Minnesota. 

Ray Carsillo [1:06:23 - 1:06:29]: And. Well, and that's the thing is. Is that basically right? Like, unless it's in a dome. Yeah, WrestleMania would be. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:06:29 - 1:06:30]: But. But yes. Yeah. 

Ray Carsillo [1:06:30 - 1:06:51]: WrestleMania basically cements itself as kind of trying to lean more towards warmer weather cities. Whereas SummerSlam can kind of go anywhere, at least in the northern hemisphere during. During summer. So that it can kind of. And I think that's what. Why you're starting to see that kind of being like, yeah, we want to do open air stadiums. And if we want to do open air stadiums, then we have to do them certain times of the year. Right. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:06:51 - 1:06:56]: So anyway, good stuff. What a WrestleMania wrap up. This was awesome. 

Ray Carsillo [1:06:56 - 1:07:17]: So that's gonna do it for us here. This is our geeks who like sports. WrestleMania special. We're back next week, of course, with a more regular format. We're gonna have playoffs to talk about. We're gonna have. We got some Star wars news. We got a little bit of Switch news. But I want to first thank Zavi for joining us here on our WrestleMania. Yeah. Yeah. 

Xavier [1:07:17 - 1:07:18]: Thanks for having me, guys. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:07:19 - 1:07:21]: Without you. We'll see you next year. 

Ray Carsillo [1:07:21 - 1:07:23]: Yes. Yes. Wait, wait, wait. 

Lee MJ Elias [1:07:23 - 1:07:29]: Wait for it. I believe in the geeks and like sports. 

Ray Carsillo [1:07:31 - 1:07:31]: Yeah.