Welcome to the Heartbreak to Happiness Show with Sarah Davison. If you're struggling with a breakup and you feel shocked, angry, betrayed, devastated, or sad and alone, then this podcast is for you. Best-selling author and award-winning host, Sarah Davidson, shares how you two can get on with your life to heal, grow, and move from heartbreak to happiness.
SPEAKER_01I think if you get a divorce coach, and obviously we're biased, it really does help. I think the work that we do with people is just transformative and it can really help people see where they've come from, where they want to get to, and how they make that journey.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And it doesn't have to be lots of sessions, very different. It's therapy. You can just come for one session and you will get a positive result just from one session. And I think that's the thing with what we do, it's very much we get the fast results and we try and make them sticky so that they last for a long time. But it's not just telling you things, it's working, and we go on a journey with our clients to unpack options and then agree on things and then create that action plan, which is where the momentum comes from and can last forever. You know, some of these shifts, some of these understanding that you can take control of your emotions, you can change how you're looking at things, can actually last a lifetime of benefits, and that's where we get those positive transformations quite quickly.
SPEAKER_00Here's your host, Sarah Davidson.
SPEAKER_02Welcome back to the show. Now, today I am super excited to have a very special guest with me today. She is one of my breakup and divorce coaches, and her name is Kerry Farrell. Now, Kerry is a breakup and divorce coach. She's trained in my training school and is accredited. And this is the interesting part, I think, because she specialises in helping men go from spiralling and stuff to calm, clear, and back in control. Now, especially when emotions are high and life feels messy. Now, Kerry blends a practical structure with a straight talking compassion, which I'm sure you'll see in this episode. And she leaves her clients with a plan, not just a chat. Um, it's all about helping people reset, rebuild, and move towards confidence, dignity, and which I think is really important, a bit of humour when it's most needed. So, welcome, Kerry, to the show. Thank you for having me. Nice to see you. Yeah, it's great to have you on. It's always good to interview my coaches and let you shine on your own podcast episode. So I'm excited to see uh and hear more about your story because life hasn't always been easy, has it, Kerry? Tell us tell us about your background and how you got to doing this work.
SPEAKER_01So I've I kind of decided that this was the right path for me. I've been divorced twice. I may not be able to tell you how to stay married, but I can help you get divorced. So I've had experience of the struggles practically and emotionally, and I know how tough it is. I know that you can wake up in the morning and just not want to function anymore and you don't show up the way that you you really need to. That's how it felt for me. I felt like I was emotionally running on fumes. I had a very bad marriage for 24 years, that was my second marriage, and I got to the stage where it just felt like I'd normalized not only his behaviour, but my reactions. And it felt to me like it just couldn't go on anymore. What do you mean by that by normalizing your reactions? What does that mean? I think you get to the stage where you're constantly anxious. I was living in the spare box room. You know, I was I built up this amazing house. I loved my home, I had a really good, good lifestyle, a great job. I ended up losing a really good job because of the pressure that I was under with the domestic abuse. And I got to the stage where I just felt like this is the normal way to live. I couldn't kind of see that it's hard to explain now, but I felt like I was normalizing it. I felt like this is okay, and it's not okay, it's never okay. I was excusing his behaviour, and I was excusing my behaviour for staying. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And that's tough, isn't it? That's really tough. And I think it's really normal. If anyone's listening to that going, this is what I'm doing right now. It is really normal. We normalize and minimalise abuse in a relationship or unacceptable behaviours, because otherwise we've got to make some pretty big decisions, haven't we? We've got to think about, well, should I leave? How do I leave? How did you get to that point where you tipped that behavior where you were compromising and conforming and bending yourself like a pretzel to to accommodate those behaviours to actually getting out?
SPEAKER_01It it is it was kind of the run up to my 47th birthday. There was something about almost being 47 that just made me think, I'm getting so close to 50 now. I don't want to grow old with this person, I don't want to grow old with these reactions. And a lot of people read me the Riot Act, family and friends, and just tried to explain that this is not normal. You should not be living like this. But it had to be my decision, and I think a lot of people listening will know that it has to be your decision ultimately. You can't be forced into it by somebody else. You've got to come to that decision.
SPEAKER_02And I don't think quite often we won't even take that on board from somebody else because we don't really recognise or we haven't really processed it, or we're not feeling strong enough to leave yet. How did you feel about leaving at the time?
SPEAKER_01Were you sound like you weren't terrified, even though I'd made that decision and I was feeling quite strong, I left that house with just my clothes and my personal belongings, nothing else. I left behind the home I built up, I left behind the dogs that I adored, and I left with just everything that I could get into the back of the car. I then spent the next year living in rented rooms. It sounds really sad now, and it was tough, it was really tough. I had to build myself back up again from the bottom, and that's why I do what I do. I want to help other people rebuild and build them back up. What do you think that cost you emotionally, that whole process? It was devastating. It I completely forgot who I was. I think emotionally, as I said before, I was just running on fumes. I was I was constantly tired, I'd lost sight of who I was, my identity, and I felt that you almost like I deserved it. Like it was it was my fault, and I think that will resonate with a lot of people. You feel that it's your fault that it's happening to you. Hmm.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think that's really normal. And it's hard also. Um, I mean, I don't know whether you were in a similar position, but normally your confidence is very low because I mean you were in a long-term abusive relationship that chips away over a long period of time, doesn't it? Until you really feel like, am I going to be able to survive on my own anyway? So, you know, what was that moment? Was it the 47th birthday looming or was it something else?
SPEAKER_01It was. I got so sick of hearing myself saying, I'm nearly 47, I'm nearly just it got to the stage where I had to do something. There was something about I don't know what it was about that age, I still couldn't tell you, but it was just a trigger point where I just thought I I'm worth more than this. I deserve better. I don't deserve to be living in the spare room, devastated and crying every night.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. I mean, nobody deserves that, right? Nobody deserves that. And it's time to take your power back. So you decided to turn that pain into your power, your purpose. Tell us about the next steps then. You you you left and you were living in rented rooms, so it must have been tough. But how did you then shift things to move things forward?
SPEAKER_01So for me, I had to drag myself back up again. I was living in rooms, I felt really embarrassed that I'd fallen so low that I was now living in people's spare rooms. For me, it was a pride moment. I wanted to get back my self-respect and the person that I knew I was. And that's what I help people do now. I help them get back their self-respect and I help them rebuild and get back to where they want to be and where they deserve to be.
SPEAKER_02So you said you lost your job then when you were coming out of that relationship. So, I mean, that must have been really scary for you. How did you go about finding work when you were in that state of mind? Because I think sometimes it's easier just to stay in bed and pull the duvet over your head and just eat crisps or something. I don't know. I mean, it's hard to then go, right, I need to go out and find a job and present on an interview in a in a position where you you can get a job. How did you manage that process?
SPEAKER_01I was incredibly lucky. I'd recently interviewed for another job. And I was a bit sneaky, and I went back to them and said, you know that job you've offered me, I'll take it. So I was incredibly lucky. If it hadn't been for that job, I think life would have been a lot tougher. And it's not that easy for people. It's it's very difficult to get to the stage where you've got the confidence that you can show up every day in the way that you want to.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So what was that moment when you went from, you know, feeling like that, your screw you watch this moment, I guess is what I call it. Because I have my new book out called Screw You Watch This.
SPEAKER_01What what was that moment for you? It was the day I left. He said to me, You don't get divorced at 24. And that was the moment, sorry. That was the moment where I had my screw you watch this. I thought, I'll show you. We'll get divorced after 24 years, sunshine. And we did.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I see. So he said you don't get divorced after 24 years being together. And he was like, okay.
SPEAKER_01You know, this this isn't over. You don't divorce somebody after 24 years. And I thought, I'll show you. Wow.
SPEAKER_02Sometimes it's just a comment like that that really just flips everything, and you're like, oh yeah, watch this. It's kind of cool, actually. I love that. I love that. So, how did you go from going from somebody that was like, right, I'm gonna turn my life around, you've got a new job, you're earning some money, so you're paying your debts back, to then thinking, I know what, I'm gonna become a breakup and divorce coach. There's a bit of a jump to go from you leaving a relationship to you then deciding you want to help other people dealing with a similar situation.
SPEAKER_01Power of Facebook. You know, when you're doing scrolling and you you've had a long day and you're just having a flip through the phone and you popped up and I didn't even know it was a thing. And I thought, that's amazing. Why didn't I know that when I was going through this? If I just had somebody in my corner supporting me and fighting for me emotionally and practically, it would have made life so much easier. And I thought, I could do that. I've been divorced twice, I know what I'm doing. And we took it from there.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So tell us about your training journey because I think it can be quite um empowering for you going through it as well as it can be for learning the skills to help others. It's it's eye-opening.
SPEAKER_01You learn a lot about yourself, it's fantastic training, and I'd recommend it to anybody. It's it's almost life-affirming, it makes you realise that you can take the things that have hurt you and the things that have pushed you down, and you can turn it around, you can flip it, and you can use it to help somebody else. And that's an amazing moment.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it is. And yeah, going through that journey, I think you you have. I mean, I always say to be an outstanding coach, you've got to do the work on you. So, how did those tools help you going out about in your life trying to recover and move forward with someone who is very toxic as an ex?
SPEAKER_01I think the tools that I learned along the way that we learn and we we develop to help other people, I've learned to use on myself. Things like, you know, dialing down the emotion and flipping, you know, I I now know, okay, let's just dial this down a little bit. Let's all, you know, use the remote control and just dial this down a little bit, and it all helps so much. It really does. And you don't need to be going through a breakup or divorce for those tools to be applicable.
SPEAKER_02It's very true, actually. They're kind of general life skills, aren't they, which can help you with anything. So what do you do differently now, do you think, than before you started the training?
SPEAKER_01I think I'm calmer, I'm more measured, I I have a a thing that I'm obsessed with, is it a thought or is it a fact? And that's my mantra. My mantra in life is is it a thought or is it a fact? When I'm anxious, the first thing I do is try and dial down that emotion, and then I have a good talk to myself and think, do I have any evidence for how I'm feeling right now? If you're really anxious and something's worrying you, and you've got huge concerns about it, what is it that you're concerned about? You need to name it. And then you think, do I have any evidence for actually feeling like this right now? And if you don't a thought. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And does that change what you do with that once you've w figured out whether it's if it is a thought, what do you do then?
SPEAKER_01If it's just a thought and you've no evidence to prove that it's a fact, you almost have to recognise that until you have the evidence, you need to park it. It's really difficult and it's a skill that's quite difficult to learn, but it does work. Yeah, yeah, it's true. And if it is a fact and a fact that you don't like, what then? Then there's ways of looking at it. You can flip it, you can try and find a positive in most things in life. It's difficult, really difficult, and it's something else that is quite hard to learn. But it's possible. I what do it with my clients a lot, and even the hardest situations that they're in, we can usually find some positive somewhere deep down.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think I love that tool flippet, which obviously I created, I'm gonna say that, but but I think it's really good to sort of shift your focus because I think a lot of the time you focus on what you focus on, you see more of. So if you're thinking negative thoughts and they are kind of bringing you down, then it's like, okay, well, sometimes we can't change it, right? And if you've done the process you just talked about, is it a thought or is it if it's a fact? And you're thinking, okay, well, whichever way it goes, what's good about it? What am I learning from this? How do I grow from this? What can I take that makes me stronger in the future from this? Um, you know, or even just saying, you know, what who do I get to become because of this? That I wouldn't have had the opportunity to become if it hadn't happened. I think lots of us who have toxic exes, who have been through tough times in life. Sometimes it's how you think about it and how you reframe it in your mind. If you're thinking about it as the worst thing that ever happened, it was devastating, and now my life is less in some way because of that event, then that becomes something that is just like a grey cloud that follows you around forever. Whereas if you can say, actually, do you know what? I've learned something from that, and actually, my divorce or that that incident has actually made me stronger. And now I know one, I'm never going to get into that situation again, or two, I I know that I can survive it, so I can survive that. Hey, I can survive anything that's coming on.
SPEAKER_01Too much anything. Everything in life, most things in life are a learning curve. And even the bad things, you can take something and think, I learned this, and either it was amazing or it was awful, and I know not to do it again, or I know people to avoid. There's something you can take from everything in life.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely. And I think that's I mean, life isn't all good news, isn't it? It's not all good news in roads. You have to turn the TV on the moment to see. It's mainly nothing at the moment. Right now, I don't know what's going on in the world. But that aside, you know, no matter what's going on in your personal sort of bubble and the uh with the people you're with, and I think there's always ways of seeing something differently, and it'll just instantly dial down how you're processing it, how your emotions are dealing with it, and just give yourself and your nervous system a bit of a break because obviously, with you, you're 24 years in a toxic relationship. Coming out of that, some of that is relief, right? Some of it is really positive.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. Driving away with all my belongings in the back of the car was terrifying and amazing at the same time. And my favourite photograph of me is me sitting in a premiere inn with a cheap glass of prosecco celebrating having left.
SPEAKER_02I love that. I love that. I think it's very unexpected. I know it was for me. I thought, you know, you're in the process, you I mean, I didn't, I was catapulted out, but even then, like the overwhelming emotion that was there afterwards. What I mean, there was jealousy, there was upset, there was hurt, betrayal, all that embarrassment, shame, all those things. But actually, probably the biggest emotion, which I hadn't even expected, was relief. Relief because there was peace, there was calm. I my nervous system wasn't constantly being jarred all the time. I wasn't just having to think fight or flight, fight or flight. I could take some time. I mean, it's still, you know, legal emails then started and you start through a whole number of journey, but but it's it it just gives you something that you thought, gosh, I actually feel like I've been weighed down and now I'm rising up to the surface to take this big inhalation of air, which is now going to get me through the next difficult part, but I know I can cope with it better.
SPEAKER_01It's that freedom, isn't it? You've made that choice, and it's not an easy one, and it is a huge relief, even if it's not your decision. Uh, for me it was my decision, uh, but the first time it wasn't. And there's a sense of relief either way, I think, because uh you're not splitting up because you were good friends or you were getting on usually. So the fact that it's over, even if it's devastating, there is that feeling of relief. But I think the thing that I was really surprised about was even if it's your idea and it was your decision, you still go through the same grief process. You still grieve what you thought you had uh and what your you thought your future looked like.
SPEAKER_02That's really interesting, actually. It's true. I think a lot of people have less sympathy for the people that make the decision because on some level they think, oh, well you're gonna be okay because you made that decision. But actually the reality is no, you still go through the feeling of loss, of separation, you've still got the whole lifestyle adjustment, whichever decision it was that you made.
SPEAKER_01Your whole landscape has now changed. Completely changed. It's a bit like thinking you're going on holiday to Barbados and the plane lands in Amsterdam. There's nothing wrong with Amsterdam, but you haven't packed for it and you haven't learned the language. It's another learning curve. You just have to pick yourself up and make the best of what you've got.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you probably won't be able to use your swim your bikini and the suntown ocean, but hey. Probably not. No, but they do have to be able to do that. There's other benefits. Um, okay, so you specialise in working with men, which is quite unusual for the coaches that train with me. I mean, we do have male coaches that train as well, but and they tend to specialise in helping men. Tell us a bit about why you made that decision and why you think men need this kind of support.
SPEAKER_01I met my husband shortly before I started training with you, and we've known each other a long, long time, but we've been together for five years and we've been married for three. He was, and he won't mind me telling you this, was in a very abusive relationship before we got together, mentally, physically, and financially. And he got very little support. Now, I'm not saying that there's no support out there for men, there is, but men find it harder sometimes to take that support and to to open up the way that maybe women do. Now that's a generalization because I know from my clients that they will maybe say to me, Kerry, I don't think I can do this, I don't think I can talk. And once they start, there's no stopping them. And that's great. So I think we saw a bit of a gap in the market that men really needed to be catered for. They needed a safe space and a corner just for them.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think that's true. Do you think that men find it harder to open up about these things, or why why is that that they It very much depends on the man.
SPEAKER_01I think that's quite a generalization that we all make. Um, like I said, people say to me, I don't think I'd be able to talk about this. I don't think I have people cancel all the time and say, I'm not ready yet. And then they come back a day later. And when I finally talk to them, they're amazing and they share so much, and they're so so brave in the way that they show up and the way that they deal with their emotions. A lot of the men that I deal with have been through emotional and abusive relationships as well, and it's just absolutely devastating some of the stories you hear.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, can you give us some examples of things that you hear on basis?
SPEAKER_01I have one client in particular who came from a very abusive relationship, and when I first started working with him, he was absolutely broken. He was you can tell by that energy, he was slumped in his chair, he didn't want to talk, he did feel like it was all his fault and that he'd left it too long. And he I always remember he kept repeating the phrase I'm a five foot two uh sorry, six foot two Welshman, as if that was a reason you know, I should have brought I should have been able to fight back, I should have been able to do something about this. And he just kept repeating this. And I had to stop him and say, It doesn't matter how tall you are, that you're a man, that you're you know, built like a rugby player, it happens to us all. You know, there's no shame in admitting that you've been abused. And after working with him throughout the programme, he a completely different person, his energy changed, his face started to just relax, and he came out the other side much, much happier person. Definitely a success story.
SPEAKER_02Oh, fantastic. I d I do think there's a lot of people that struggle with the fact that they've been in an in an abusive relationship because it shouldn't happen to people like me, kind of thing.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I know I felt that, but and then I realised actually this happens to everybody, and and mainly if you are a people pleaser or a high Empathetic person, or you want to put other people first, that's a more easy to take advantage of.
SPEAKER_01Because if you're not easier, we attract people. Nice people attract bullies and it's you know, and narcissists, and we're almost their target, their targets. Um, and they see a weakness, and that weakness is that we're kind and loving and don't always stand up for ourselves the way that we should.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, very true, very true. So, what are the first steps? If you get a client that's coming to you and they're they are panicking or they are finding it really hard, or it's just too overwhelming, they can't see the wood for the trees. Is there a simple tool that you use to help people take their power back and just dial down those emotions at the beginning?
SPEAKER_01There is. So we will just do the first session is very easy and it's about resetting. I call my my program reset, rebuild, move forward. And the start of the programme is always about resetting. It's about dialing down that emotion and using those tools and learning is it a thought or is it a fact? And also being kind to yourself, taking some time and the baby steps that you need to start looking after yourself, eating well, getting some exercise. It's all the tiny steps that help you to feel better. You don't need to make the big decision straight away, you don't need to contact a lawyer, you don't need to make the decision about the divorce. You just need to help yourself and get yourself grounded, reset, and then we do the bigger work where we start to get people rebuild.
SPEAKER_02Hmm, it's really good. I think you know, sometimes it's just too overwhelming if you're thinking I've got to get from where I am now to feeling great and happy again. It's just too big of a leap. And I think you're right. Small steps actually is a very good way just to break it down to make it manageable so you can actually get that momentum. And once you get that momentum from working with you, you carry it, it suddenly starts to take off, doesn't it? You start to see actually you've got a few stakes in the ground now, and you're seeing the results straight away because one of the things about the coach training that I do and the coach that you're coaching that you're delivering is that it's fast, positive transformations. It's not like therapy, which can take a long time. Not that there's anything wrong with therapy, it can go, can also have its benefits for some people, but this is much more practical, results focused. Let's get moving and get you feeling better faster. Is that how you describe it?
SPEAKER_01Definitely. I think I think counselling and therapy really have a place. And I I work with a lot of people who are seeing me and a therapist, and that's fantastic. But therapy is very much about looking back and working through what's happened. What we do is moving people forward, taking the person that they are, who do they want to become, and helping them with that struggle, both practically and emotionally, and getting them through the process and out the other side a better, happier, stronger person. And we all deserve that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we do. We absolutely do. I I'm just thinking actually, because it's just, I mean, when we're recording this now, it was Valentine's Day a few days ago. Um I know those kind of events sort of hit hard, don't they? B birthdays, maybe anniversaries, you know, the all the things that you used to celebrate together as a family, which you're now doing on your own. Yeah, that can hit really hard with some people. Have you got any tips for helping people manage and navigate those challenging times?
SPEAKER_01I think it's addressing that that's how you feel and not being afraid to say, I'm sad that it's Valentine's Day. And that's sometimes more difficult for a man than it is for a woman. But it's about recognising that why you're feeling that way and kind of reframing that day and making it making it different and looking after yourself. So I will say to a client, I had a few clients contact me before Valentine's Day and say that they were struggling because they would have taken their partner out for a meal or they would have, you know, had some plans in place and there was nothing. So I said, you what the best way to do that I always do is to reframe that day, whether it's a birthday, an anniversary, or Valentine's Day. Do something for you, make that day about you. Christmas is a difficult one, so it's changing how you see Christmas and not seeing it as a negative. Again, there's a positive in everything. It's flipping it and making it about you and not about the other person.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I think just because you've always done something that way doesn't mean that you have to continue doing it that way. But the thing to note is if you do keep doing it that way, you are going to notice things you're missing out on. If you flip it and Valentine's Day suddenly becomes, well, there's this new new word, isn't it? Galantine's Day, where you go out with your girlfriends on Valentine's Day. That's a great way to flip it into something that's, well, yeah. I mean, normally or in the past, I would have done, you know, dinner with my ex or had had dinner in or whatever you do. But actually now, you know, my girlfriend's sending me a card, and I'm sending her one, and we're gonna go out and have a few drinks, or we're gonna have a coffee on that day and just enjoy being friends. So it's how you shift it in your own mind.
SPEAKER_01I had a client who who spent the day playing golf. We decided that he wasn't going to sit around feeling sorry for himself, and they were his words, not mine. And he decided to spend the day playing golf and make the day about him, and he had a fantastic day.
SPEAKER_02I love that. I love it. So tell us, have you got any more stories? So I love hearing client transformation stories from my coaches because I know you work with lots of different people go through so many of life's different challenges along this breakup path. Have you got any other stories that demonstrate some of the things you've been talking about?
SPEAKER_01I actually worked with somebody recently who contacted me and his wife wanted to divorce and he didn't. And we did some work on stopping him from getting a divorce. She had identified that she wanted him to be more emotionally available. And I have training in several other aspects as well. So we did some work around how he could show up more emotionally and be more emotionally available, and it ended up with him not getting a divorce. She decided that the work that we'd done had really helped, and they're still together now. Hopefully they'll stay together, but for now the divorce is off the table.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that's fantastic, and it's really nice to have a job that actually you can make such a positive difference and can be so rewarding, isn't it? How do you find that when you're working with clients and then you see the transformations?
SPEAKER_01Yes. I think if you work with people the way that we do, and we do it because we love helping people, to see that transformation and to see that success story, it's such a it's such a privilege to have had that input in somebody's life. You know, we're very privileged to do what we do.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we are. I think it's the best job in the world, but I would say that one. I I really do, I genuinely do. So is there anything else you'd like to talk about today, Kerry, that you'd like to share with the audience? Any final tips or advice?
SPEAKER_01I um I always say to people, as I said, baby steps, my my programme Reset, Rebuild, Move Forward, is very based upon those three pillars. And it's just to take things slowly and not to expect things to change overnight. If you look at the end goal, it's a it's a very, very big task. Sometimes just when people say to you, How are you feeling today? That's a big question. Don't expect too much, look after yourself physically and emotionally. And eventually things do come right. I think if you get a divorce coach, and obviously we're biased, it really does help. I think the work that we do with people is just transformative, and it can really help people see where they've come from, where they want to get to, and how they make that journey.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And it doesn't have to be lots of sessions, very different to therapy, isn't it? You could just come for one session and you you will get a positive result just from one session. And I think that's the thing with what we do. It's very much we get the fast results and we try and make them sticky so that they last for a long time. Then not, it's not just telling you things, it's working, and we go on a journey with our clients to unpack options and then agree on things and then create that action plan, which is where the momentum comes from and can last forever. You know, some of these shifts, some of these understanding that you can take control of your emotions, you can change how you're looking at things, can actually last a lifetime of benefits, and that's where we get those positive transformations quite quickly. So for people listening who want to find out more about you, Kerry, where can they go?
SPEAKER_01Where can they find you? I am very active on LinkedIn. I um can be found on LinkedIn um under Kerry Farrell, and there is a link to my stand store which has free resources that people can download and use. And I'm adding to them all the time. What kind of free resources can we expect there? I have information on how to talk to your ex without killing them. I mean, that sounds slightly flippant, but you know, you've got to put a bit of humour in everything. Um, how to tell children about divorce, and I also have a uh a downloadable seven-day reset course which people can use for anybody who doesn't want to do coaching but just needs that help just to get through the first seven days of a breakup. Fantastic. And what is your website for people that want to know? Uh www.keryfarrell.co.uk.
SPEAKER_02Fantastic. Well, thank you, Kerry. I have one last question for you that I ask all the guests I have on my podcast. Obviously, it's called Heartbreak to Happiness. So, what is happiness for you?
SPEAKER_01Happiness for me is the small things in life. I think too many people wait and wait and wait for happiness to happen. The big car, the amazing job, the perfect partner. It's finding happiness in the small things every day. It's in your partner coming home and telling you that they love you. It's in a small bunch of flowers, it's in a first cup of coffee in the morning. If you can find happiness in the small things, you will always have some happiness in every day. Oh, I love that.
SPEAKER_02Well said. Great tips, great information. I'm very excited to see you flying, having done the training, and very much look forward to seeing you grow and grow with your coaching business. So thank you, Kerry, for being a fabulous guest. That's it for today's episode. Thanks for joining. Do like, follow, subscribe, and all those good things. And I look forward to you joining us on my next episode.
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