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041.1 - Carl Milliman: God’s Grace in Action [PART 1]

February 18, 2019 Season 5 Episode 1
TheBLAST Podcast
041.1 - Carl Milliman: God’s Grace in Action [PART 1]
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Part One of Our Interview With Karl Milliman
TheBLAST Podcast
041.1 - Carl Milliman: God’s Grace in Action [PART 1]
Feb 18, 2019 Season 5 Episode 1
TheBLAST Podcast / Carl Milliman
Carl Milliman explains his origin story and tells us about the early days of his ministry.
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Getting to the main content of the podcast, we interview the pioneer pastor of the Virginia Beach church, Mr. Carl Milliman. He explains his origin story and tells us about the early days of his ministry.

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0:44
Hello and welcome to TheBLAST Podcast. We are here for episode number 41. My name is pastor Adam Dragoon. I'm here with Mr. David Smale.:
Pastor Adam:
0:54
Hello.:
Pastor Adam:
0:54
And uh, we are here once again to present to you a interview that we're going to be doing here in just a few moments with a, with a friend of our church, someone who is here in town recently with us and we've got a great opportunity, uh, to interview him. But we wanted to take just a moment here at the beginning of the show just to remind you that, uh, we've started a new initiative to find support for TheBLAST Podcastt. We're looking for somebody out there willing to be part of the blast nation and to be a subscriber on our patreon page for, $3 a month. And we just wanted to remind you why we're doing that. Uh, one of the reasons is because we are talking to you on broken microphones right now and also a, we do have some monthly upkeep and so we don't want to sound whiny, but we do want to remind you that there are costs and expenses involved in producing this podcast and, if you enjoy it, if you get something out of it, then we invite you to join our blast nation on Patreon and that is only $3 a month. Very affordable. And you'll even get a free blast podcast tee shirt out of it. And so go head over to our support page, checkout our website, you'll find the link to patreon.com/blast podcast.:
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2:09
Dave and I are sitting here just discussing, um, a new plan that we have, um, to, to spread out our episodes. We realized that we do kind of long form deep dives into certain subjects and the idea behind that really just comes from the, uh, the desire, right to go deep down into certain subjects. There's some things that you can deal with, um, through a 45 minute sermon. Um, but what we love to do is to take a topic like this and just, you know, piece by piece, talk about it, consider all the options to do what we couldn't do with a, with a 45 minute sermon. And so, uh, so we have, um, an idea to, to split up our episodes for a couple of reasons: Number one, to, to make it so that we have more regular release dates. Um, and also, so like for example, with this episode, if it ends up being about 90 minutes long, we're going to take it and split it up into three pieces. So we're going to have part one, part two and part three each about 30 minutes long and then we'd release them about a week apart. And so we're, we're going to give that a shot and you guys let us know what you think about that. And that would be, um, if you hate it when we can always go back to how he did it before. Uh, but if it means that we can release a regular episodes every week, that that to us is a big plus. Right? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Especially, especially with the feedback we get, you know, we, we, we feel that we're really letting you down by waiting for a long period of time before we can sit down and do a long form episode like this. Um, so we'd really like to be giving you more content more often. Yeah. So, uh, let us know what you think of that. Uh, we're going to split up this episode into three pieces and so a, you give us some feedback. We need to know how that is. So we're going to take a quick break here at the beginning and as soon as we come back, we're going to be having an interview with Mr Carl Milliman. Stick around for just a moment here on the blast podcast.:
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The latest from the Babylon Bee. Benny Hinn loses control of the powers, sends audience members soaring hundreds of feet into air. LONG BEACH, CA—Unable to fully control his rapidly increasing array of supernatural powers, faith healer and prosperity preacher Benny Hinn accidentally launched an audience member hundreds of feet into the air at a healing service Friday. According to those who witnessed the harrowing event, Hinn was attempting to heal the man of his chronic back pain by laying his anointed hands upon him. But as the faith healer exploded into a hadouken-style blow of Holy Ghost healing, an otherworldly surge of power suddenly began coursing through his veins and overtook him, causing him to release a potentially lethal blast of anointing directly into the afflicted man’s torso. Frightened witnesses claim the victim immediately rocketed through the roof of the venue, his trajectory coming to an apex at an estimated three hundred feet above the ground, before plummeting back down to earth, punching a second hole in the roof and slamming into the ground, dying instantly. With surges of power blasting from his fingers in all directions, a sobbing, horrified Hinn reportedly cried out, “No! NOOOOOOOOO!” before running from the arena in hysterics.:
Narrator:
5:44
We welcome you back to the blast podcast:
Pastor Adam:
5:48
This is episode 41. And we have with us, it's very special guest tonight, Mr Carl Milliman who was, uh, the very first pastor here in Virginia Beach. The spiritual foundation of this church from which we are now broadcasting TheBLAST Podcast:
Pastor Adam:
6:08
and yeah, what a special connection we have. We're so glad that, uh, you are able to come Carl for this, uh, these last few days and uh, came in, uh, were part of our service on Sunday morning. It was really, really a wonderful just to, you know, to see that, uh, that God has been moving here in our area for, uh, coming on 30 years, I think. So what, we want to welcome you to the blast podcast.:
Karl Milliman:
6:32
Alright, great.:
Pastor Adam:
6:35
Thank you. Yes. Well thank you for your time. We know that you are getting on an airplane very early in the morning, so we are not going to take up too much of it this evening. Um, but, uh, but for the sake of our audience, and for those who maybe don't know you, why don't you just give a little introduction and tell us about some of the history of your life.:
Karl Milliman:
6:57
A little country town in New York, just south of buffalo country town was in, I don't even think there's, you know, 3000 people in this little town next to Chautauqua Lake. And I was raised Protestant background. My mom would always take us to church, never really had a relationship with Christ, never knew the stories of the Bible. Um, got into trouble early, uh, 12, 13 years old doing drugs, selling drugs, robbing things, stealing cars, stealing motorcycles, jet skis and boats and all kinds of crazy stuff. Got In, got in trouble with the law and was given the choice to either go into the military or, uh, go to jail. Um, I had, uh, been, you know, been in some pretty serious, uh, gangs stuff early on and I decided to join the air force and I was sent to Williams air force base in Arizona, just, uh, outside of Chandler and Chandler, uh, living in Chandler. I was getting a lot of trouble again, you know, with, with drugs and violence and stuff. And some friends came down from New York and we're doing a drug deal and my whole family was held at drug point at, at gunpoint wood for bad drug deal. You know, even during that time, my whole held at gunpoint for the weekend and embed drug deal. And so, you know, my life was spiraling out. We had, uh, problems, uh, marriage problems and in divorce, uh, early as I had only been married a couple of years, I had my first daughter was born there and in, in divorce, in the air force. And it was there on Williams air force space that some men from the Chandler church, the, the door and Chandler, uh, they were, uh, many of them were getting saved and, and they were witnessing on the base. And, um, they had shared with me, you know, sh preaching, preaching Jesus there. And I listened for about a year, but, um, and then was right after Christmas time in 1981 would have been January, 1981 that I went searching for those men that had, that were witnessing and talking about Jesus because I really, you know, the Holy Spirit was after me and drawing me. And, uh, so I went to find these guys and I went to their rooms in the barracks and, uh, proceeded to, uh, really inquire about how could I have what they had. And they were shocked because, uh, you know, I was coming after them to find out how to be safe.:
Pastor Adam:
10:38
Wow. You were that guy.. What must I do?:
Karl Milliman:
10:42
That was one of those guys that, you know, there was people that were actually coming to the, the one man's a dorm and knocking on the dorm saying, what must we do to be saved? I was one of those. It was asking what must we do to, and so I accepted Christ. And, um, then, uh, I, you know, I, I knew my marriage was restored and I was in the Chandler Church there for a, for four or five years serving with a pastor, don bishop, Pastor Campbell, um, and, and, uh, lots of, uh, street evangelism with that was my forte. I love street preaching. I was radically saved and there was guys coming in like Larry Reed and you know, different preachers that really just encouraged me to be more evangelistic. And so, uh, pasture Campbell, uh, first, uh, sent us to, uh, Gilbert Arizona to toe pioneer church there in Gilbert, Arizona. Uh, we had seen a lot of fruit coming out of Gilbert, so we decided to plant a church there and we need there for a couple of years and could, could, couldn't really get a good, strong core, uh, you know, people that would, you know, where I could, uh, be off support and had had difficulties with my marriage and stuff. I decided to go back into Chandler. Um, I went back, went back into Chandler under Dwayne Dean at the time, Pastor Campbell. I had gone to Malaysia and went back in and Sandler church was in a difficult time and I was in a difficult time and, um, really I needed, I needed to be restored and needed to recover from that. Um, you know, difficulties with marriage, difficulties in pioneering. I needed, you know, some stuff I needed to be healed and I really, really didn't get every stored there. I just wanted to get out of there and get back out, get back out, uh, to, to the field again. And so I asked, um, Dwayne Dean if I could go. And he's like, no, no, there's no money. And so I asked him if I could get a, if I could get a job in, uh, Virginia Beach, if I could get a job over there in Virginia Beach and find a company that would move me over there if, if he would send me over there. And so he did in 1989 in September of 1989 we landed in, uh, Virginia Beach, uh, bouncing around a couple of places over there in Hampton, Newport News, and finally settling there in Virginia Beach. Um, on Lynnhaven Parkway.:
Pastor Adam:
14:23
Yeah. Like less than, less than a mile from where we are now.:
Karl Milliman:
14:27
Yeah. It was just down the road there. Um, had had a very, very good impact there. Um, people were being saved from my job and immediately I had to a young disciples from my job where I was working at Oceana Naval Air Station and, uh, two young men and their families were coming right away. And then we had, um, shortly after that there was some people, some military people, Navy people that were transferred in there and started coming to church. And Theresa who is still there. Yup. [inaudible] now she was one of the first disciples and so she, she's been there since and then a couple years after being there a couple of years channel a church, uh, sent Stacy & Daphnie, the alert into there because we were having pretty good results. We were having, you know, 50, 60 people in our services. A lot of young navy guys were getting saved and our revival services, we would run up in the 80s and a lot of navy people, a lot of navy families.:
Karl Milliman:
15:55
One, a navy guy, Orlando Chandler, he was just a people person. He would bring people to church, every service he would, we would go to the navy ships and I would meet him there on Sunday morning and we would just get people out of their, out of their bunks and navy ships the ships and say, come on guys, you're going with us. And we would load up two to three vehicles with navy guys early Sunday morning and bring them into the church. And they were just, they were just getting saved left and right. And, um, so we, we, uh, made some disciples and brought some of the guys into, to a chamber, four conferences, a couple of guys. And we were there like five years, uh, probably pioneered the church five times in five years.:
Pastor Adam:
17:02
What made you choose Virginia Beach of all the places on the map?:
Karl Milliman:
17:09
Well, there was, there was a lot of thought and prayer that went into it because, you know, I really, you know, I wanted to go, I wanted to go. And that was, you know, that was my heart was to pioneer churches. And when I looked at, you know, uh, I saw they had the Chandler church had just sent a Ron and Richard Myers into Florida and to Jacksonville. And so that inspired me a lot, um, to look for a city to look for a city that was big and they had millet that had military people. Um, somewhere, you know, my career field that I was in was an aircraft mechanic. So I'm looking for some, a large city that we've not, you know, we've not touched yet. Um, and there was one guy that had gone into nor folk, um, A few years before us, but he, you know, he had bailed from the fellowship back, uh, you know, right around that time. Some might know him. Uh, Tony mclass Yeah, he, he was one of the departed. But yeah, that was, that was, uh, that was my idea was to get to find a large city that, you know, I could find a job that would fit my career field because, you know, that's what we were doing. We were taking the world for Jesus in every, uh, you know, we had this, we had this vision and it was in me, and it's in me today.:
Pastor Adam:
19:05
Yeah. What I love about our fellowship is that we have, hopefully we have that same spirit that comes through the generations to make disciples to a wind converts and ultimately to plant churches. And what I love is that the fellowship is full of people, uh, uh, like you, Carl, that, that have been through the battle, you know, over and over and have experienced some, some victories and some defeats and have come out the other side. Um, but what I see is that there's, there's a lot of young people, right? There's a lot of new disciples and maybe new pastors who haven't been through all of those things. And, you know, it's just a matter of time before we go through them. And I think that people like you and other, you know, uh, seasoned saints, uh, you know, I think I'm thinking of people back in the Chandler Church who've just been through, uh, been through great victories and also been through some great nightmares. Um, and there's a lot of wisdom for us to glean I think. And instead of trying to, you know, try to depend on ourselves or, you know, try to just make it through and tough it out, I think it's really wise for younger disciples like, you know, like us to, to listen to this kind of a testimony and to hear the things that you've gone through. And so yeah, you've described, you know, some, some of the victory that you had here in Virginia Beach and you know, we, we still strive to see that here and uh, have seen it in flashes. Um, but, uh, I also know just a little bit about you that it didn't always stay so rosy. There were some struggles.:
Pastor Adam:
21:02
Let me share some things that maybe I am when I look back now being restored after you know, the chaos of losing my marriage, losing my family, uh, you know, losing my mind, losing my salvation. Um, there's things that I look back at now and thinks that I could have done that. Maybe you know, some of you men that are inspiring for ministry. You're looking, you're struggling through ministry, you're struggling to pioneers. I just want to share a couple of things from my heart that I think maybe I could have done. I should have done that may be, you know, might help you here. And a couple of the main things,:
Pastor Adam:
21:58
Carl, before you go into those couple of main things, maybe you can just give us a, that you lost your marriage and your family, but can you explain how it happened a little bit and then give us the keys to survival?:
Karl Milliman:
22:21
No, it doesn't happen overnight. When you lose things, they don't happen overnight. You just don't pay attention to the main things that you should be. We get diverted and there could be a lot of different things for what took place with me was after I came back to Chandler for redirection. Why went from, I went from Virginia Beach to Killeen, Texas to assist George Piper and I was only there for six months. Um, there was, you know, there was things that went on there. They really don't, you know, really want to discuss too much in this interview. But there was some issues in, in the church there that, you know, that it was very difficult for me to be a disciple, you know, being, um... Pastor Campbell was my pastor and it was hard for me to, uh, submit under, uh, uh, George Piper at the time as my pastor because he was my brother. He wasn't really my Pastor. And so I struggled with, you know, submitting to him as a pastor and I just really, you know, so I only, we were only there for like six months, still struggling, still having marriage struggles, but went back into Chandler after six months. And so in Chandler, coming back into Chandler, I wanted to be involved right away. And so I started, you know, having Bible studies again, I didn't want to, you know, uh, stop in and just cave in. But I went right into having Bible Study Doing Bible Studies and, um, I think that, you know, it was probably, uh, less than a year in Chandler that things started to come unglued with my marriage because of, uh, really because of neglect and not paying attention to my responsibility use, uh, as a husband, as a house bond in, you know, uh, I should have paid more attention. And that's one of the things I would like to say to men that are pioneering, men that are preparing to pioneer is they, you, you definitely should prepare beforehand, prepare your marriage and make sure that you're, your marriage is sound and secure. Uh, they, she is number two, next to God and next to Jesus Christ that your marriage has to be strong and have a good, strong, uh, marriage foundation before you go. And to keep that intact and keep that as a priority in your pioneering stages. Um, along with prayer and being a man of prayer and leaving right. And not just not just, uh, going through the motions. Um, and, but you, you've got to really apply the word of God and do the word of God, not just preach the word of God. Doing the will of God from your heart is being a real Christian, being a man of God in your home, uh, as a testimony in, in your community with your congregation. Um, and being an example because they are going to look for your faults and they are going to find them. If you, if you have faults, if you, if you have, uh, some weak areas in your marriage, in your finances, in your children, in your, in your work ethics, on your job and different areas, they are going to watch you, somebody who's watching you and they're going to find them and they're going to... It will, it will, uh, have lasting effects on your, your, your home, your marriage, your ministry, everything. So I hope that that's, you know, understandable here. And:
Pastor Adam:
27:11
when you say that they are watching it, you're talking about younger disciples?:
Karl Milliman:
27:17
your disciples, that people you work with, your potential disciples, right?:
Pastor Adam:
27:25
Sure.:
Karl Milliman:
27:27
And it's a spirit that you know, the devil, the devil he knows, and your, your, your character is always going to be a target and it's always going to be watched. And you know, you, you can, it's, it's their spiritual, spiritual implications where if you're trying to establish dominion for the Kingdom of God, which we are when we're pioneering work trying to take a city, we're trying to take, you know, cities, we're trying to establish the Kingdom of God and their spiritual implications that the devil knows if, if you're serious and if you have dominion in your home, if you have dominion in your mind, if you have dominion in your eyes and your ears and what you watch and what you allow into your home and what you allow into your spirit, the devil knows ships you're serious or not. And he's going to play on your weaknesses and it's going to play on law. And because he wants to, you know, discredit the Kingdom of God. discredit you and descriptive with your, with your congregation and with your in your neighborhood and everywhere, uh, the devil is to kill. And steal and destroy.:
Pastor Adam:
29:02
I think I'm hearing you say that it is very easy, especially for us men, that we are like tunnel vision about certain things and especially um, uh, as pioneers we can, we can just lock into that goal and that purpose of building the church and prayer life and you know, all, all of those things that we hear preached from the, from the pulpit. But all of those things, building the church is, uh, I don't want to say it's useless, but it would, it, it's not going to help if we build a church and, and lose our marriage in the process. Is that what I'm, is that accurate? Would you say?:
Karl Milliman:
29:46
you're going to have, whether the church, uh, you know, grows or whether it's just a deadly, doesn't, you know, you and your, your wife and kids, you, you're going to have to still have a marriage. You know, whether you go back in for redirection or whether you go, you know, you survived in the Kingdom of God. You've got to keep your marriage in tact. You've got a, that has to be, you know, and she has to know that, that she is and extremely important. Um, and it's not just about nickels, noise and numbers, right, right. We always, uh, you know, we, we, we get, uh, stomped on from those departed that, that you know, that that's all it's about. But that's not what it's about. It's about love and serving your, your family and your God. Right. And the people have gone,:
Narrator:
30:55
On the next episode of the podcast,:
Karl Milliman:
31:00
I was at a club one night in 10 feet, uh, drinking jello shots and snorting stuff and in an illicit relationship. And I was at the club, there was a, uh, some guys that I was with, some backsliders and there was a big fight broke out. The only thing that's going through my head is that very easily somebody could just pull out a gun and pop pop. And you know, I could, I could be in hell. And so show fear just gripped my life. Here I am, you know, I have the answer and I'm in the pit.:
Narrator:
31:42
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