A Paranormal Origin Story - Part 2

We continue our deep dive into our hosts paranormal origin stories.  This week Aleca talks about her early childhood paranormal experiences, and how they were the precursor for her to become a paranormal investigator.


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You're listening to the Paranormal Peeps on the Dark Cast Network. Come to the dark side of Indie Podcasts with the Dark Cast Network.

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We have cookies. Between the Realm of the Dead and the Journeys of the Living, join Josh, Jamie, and Elisa as they delve into the vast world of the paranormal and breathe life back into the history of the departed.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to the Paranormal Peeps Podcast. I'm Josh.

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I'm Jamie.

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And I'm Elisa. She's back, everybody.

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Finally, I'd almost given up on you.

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Track you down in far reaches of the earth.

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School had to start. Yeah. Summers are crazy for littles. Oh, I believe it.

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We had that once.

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Yeah.

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And now it's grown.

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Yeah. It's grown. It's moved out. We're empty nesters. Oh, so lucky.

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One day.

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One day.

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It's gonna take me a hot minute, but I still have 11 years at least.

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Ooh.

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Yeah.

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That sounds like forever. It does.

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You know, in 11 years, our kid will be 30.

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Ew. Oh. You just room the whole number.

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Wow.

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That's only 10 years younger than me.

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Such a baby.

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I just sounded like Chewbacca. Did you hear that? No. Like that weird like rattle. Yeah. Throat rattle.

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So we are going to continue on with the paranormal origin stories. So last episode, if you guys missed it, that was my origin story. This episode, we are going to cover Elisa's origin story.

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You the lucky dogs. So lucky. Because it's such a good dang story.

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It is. It's a unique one. Ish. Well, I mean, it's it's very different from I think what a lot of people's are.

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Yeah.

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So I think that's what makes it really interesting.

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But I have to say, they're the more I get to know people who have the same abilities, gifts that I have, are actually very similar to mine.

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I believe it.

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So I mean it's they have their differences for sure, but it's I was very interested to find other people that are very similar to mine.

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It it's kind of like this whole, whoo, I'm not the only one. Yeah. Kind of for sure.

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Yeah. Mine was totally different than everybody else's.

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Yeah, yours is very different.

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Well, and so is like mine too. So you know.

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So all different stories. So here we go.

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Let's get started.

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So once upon a time I was born and I turned two, and that's pretty much when it started for me at around two years old. I don't remember before that. That's why I say it started then. Um, I remember being in my own room in the basement, and you're too little to know anything of the scary stuff, really.

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You know, like the world is still scary.

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Well, no, at two, you're not think you don't think like that though.

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No. You're two years old. You're thinking of of your little doll and being with mom and dad, and you know, little things like that. But for me, I remember like when my mom would put me to bed, it was like the night came alive. And I remember like things on my I had this flower pink flower print wallpaper, and I remember looking at them and seeing faces, you know, like in the flowers. And I remember, and I don't know if that was my imagination or whatever, but it was really scary nonetheless.

SPEAKER_05 3:49

Well, you're two, it might be.

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Um, but it was a cute room, but then I would open up the door to go to the bathroom or to go see my mom and dad because I was scared. And every time down that dang dark hallway, it was I always knew something was there. And then I could just I could see it come out from the wall from the end of the hallway and run at me. And I had a choice. I could either go upstairs to go up to my mom and my dad, or just go back into my room. So sometimes I would just go back in my room and be terrified, but some other times I made the leap to go up the stairs. So if you can imagine my house was a split level. So you walk through the front door, you have your stairs going up, and you have your stairs going down. And I was in the basement, so I had to go up the two smaller flights of stairs. And I learned how to skip stairs real quick. I can imagine.

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In the dark.

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In the dark, um, with my little tiny legs. But it went on for years. And I would feel it, even though it didn't actually leave any marks that I'm aware of. I mean, I think my parents would have noticed, right? Especially when you're that little and they're changing your clothes, giving you baths, you know, and all those things.

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Someone would notice a mark somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

Yeah. But I would feel it like scratch my back and like claw my back. Um, but it was like just that whole creep vibe, you know, like you could feel it before it started.

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So do you remember what it looked like?

SPEAKER_01 5:31

Yeah. Um, it was like it was trying to be human but couldn't. Um, it had instead of being on two legs, it was on four.

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Ugh. More like an animal.

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Yeah. And I mean, but it was like arms and legs. But the arms were extra long, fingers were extra long, nails were extra long. So really creepy, and it was black. It never had any other color change to it, but and it had like a human-ish face. It had all the features, but they were bigger. Of course, I was little, you know, so I mean it could be normal, but to me at that time it seemed very large. If it seemed like it filled the hallway, you know?

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Yeah.

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But again, I was two when it started. But I I saw it until I was probably I think it was six or seven when it's when I stopped being able to see it. I could still feel the feelings were still the same.

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Right.

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But the visual now was gone. I couldn't see anything anymore.

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So did that scare you even more though? Because you couldn't you could feel it was there, but you couldn't see where. Um was that more frightening to you?

SPEAKER_01 6:44

It was more of, you know, like the anticipation of things. Yeah. That's what became now more scary because I it felt like when is it gonna show up? Right. Not not that I I didn't believe that I couldn't see it anymore ever again. I didn't know, right? But I was just always anticipating that it would.

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Right. So what about your parents? I mean, surely at two years old, you would probably tell your parents this, right? No. You didn't at all?

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You never felt no, because I didn't know how to communicate it.

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How about when you got older?

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Um, I don't really remember. I don't think I really said anything. Um, because I think you kind of suppress a lot of information.

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Yeah.

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Um, I remembered a lot of things from when I was two and three. I actually really do remember a lot, surprisingly. But um I don't know if I had suppressed it or whatnot. I think I had like a lot of scary instances, you know, that throughout those years that I would tell my parents about, you know, and they'd be like, okay, well, let's, you know, say a prayer and you know, let's um let you sleep with the night or with the light on. I always slept with the light on.

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Right.

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Always. Or I would go in and sleep at like the foot of my parents' bed. They'd let me do that a lot. But um, a lot of the reasons why I would go sleep down at the foot of their bed was because I was terrified.

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Right.

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All the time. But I don't know how much they would put the two and two together, you know?

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Right, yeah.

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So but then after that I became a teenager, and I think I believe as a teenager you're super impressionable. Yes.

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Yeah.

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And that that is when Satan is like, prime time, right? I can make the best effort to change someone's trajectory in their life to go the way that I want it to go, right? So I feel like at that point, I mean, I was a really good kid. I feel like anyway, my brothers might say otherwise.

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Well, they're your brothers, they're going to.

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But um, like I tried to obey my mom and my dad, you know, I did my homework, I loved school, I had good friends, you know, things like that. But then come like I don't remember if I was like 15 or 16. I feel like I was in high school. But um, maybe I was like 15. I don't know, but I was getting sleep paralysis every night.

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Oh, I couldn't even imagine that.

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And it was like, and I didn't know what it was. And my mom had gone through it, and she was like, oh, it's like I went to the doctors. It's just that your your your mind wakes up before your mind wakes up before your body does, and so you're still dreaming, right? And I was like, but mine's like horrific every time. Like I see these demons like every time. I see these creepy people. I see, and I feel like they have a memory of stuff. Like they, I feel like they just picked up where they left off, you know, or like it would so my sleep paralysis, I don't know. I haven't talked to enough people to know if it's like super different than everybody else's sleep paralysis.

SPEAKER_05 10:23

So what was yours like?

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Mine was where I always knew before it was gonna happen. Um, and I would know minutes before it would happen. I would be awake when it happened. It wasn't like I there were times where I was asleep and it would wake me up, right? But for the most part, I was still awake.

SPEAKER_04 10:41

Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

I mean, I'm a night owl, and I don't know if it's because of my past that I'm a night owl, but um going to sleep, I had the lights on, I had a cat in my room that was very aware of everything going on. He would sleep at the crown of my head until I would fall asleep and then go sleep at the foot of my bed. He would, when when I would feel that this sleep paralysis was coming on, I could feel them come up the stairs. Like I could sense them coming.

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Oh wow.

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And I would feel them, I knew that they were coming up the stairs. I could tell they were in the hall to my room, because at that point I'm upstairs and enter my room every time. And my cat would freak out. He would circle my room, he'd go pace in front of the door back and forth, like trying to protect me. And he would meow and he would hiss, and he never meowed, he never hissed, like he was a very quiet, good cat, right? And so if you can picture, he's this big Norwegian forest cat. So look it up, gorgeous cat.

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They're massive, huge cat.

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So I felt very protective with him, right? Like he was my baby, and anyway, so and he would know. That's why I'm like, I have a hard time with the sleep paralysis thing being just sleep paralysis for me. At least for me, right? Um, again, I think it's an opportunity that Satan was like, I'm going to work my butt off on her, is what it felt like for me. Um, and so I could feel with sleep paralysis, um, I could feel it start at my feet, even though I'm awake. And it would work up all the way up until it got to my head, right? And I by the time it got to my head, I mean I was frozen. Right. Wherever it touched, I was frozen. And like if it started at my feet, my hands could move, but my feet couldn't. Um, but then I would hear this. I heard multiple things, but when it got to my face, I could hear like when you're riding your bike and you hear that whoosh, that air going against your ear. I would hear that. I would hear that staticky noise, and then um it would stop, and then I would hear what was going on in my room. Um, but I had like I would put the covers over my head. I literally, it could be summertime, a hundred degrees. We did have air conditioning, and I would have comforters on top of me with a tiny little peephole to breathe. Right. And that was it. Like it was like the size of a straw. Well, trying to shelter in life.

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I was. Yeah, I don't blame you.

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That's really what I I was doing for sure. Yeah. And I never wanted to look out that hole because I always felt like it was right there in front of my face. Right. Just watching and breathing on me. You know what I like? That's what it felt like every night.

SPEAKER_03 13:46

Yeah, that's like a horror movie.

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That really it really is.

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And I would stay awake until my body couldn't handle it anymore, and I would fall asleep. Yeah. So that's how it was through my whole teenage life. Um, sometimes it would be multiple times a night, two, three times a night. That's crazy. And it's exhausting. It's exhausting. And you know, teenagers, they sleep a ton. Yeah, so it took its turn.

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12 hours a day half the time.

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I did not sleep. I did not sleep very much. Um, but I got through that, and then um, so I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and I went through the temple because I was getting married, and right after that, right after going through the temple, it stopped.

SPEAKER_05 14:35

Oh wow.

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Because I think it was like I have made covenants and covenants I believed in, and I had this added protection. And so what what age was that? Twenty-three.

SPEAKER_03 14:51

So for twenty-one years you dealt with various experiences.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Oh man.

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And I didn't know what it felt like to go to sleep in the dark without something being in my face until after I was married.

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Wow.

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And I was like, this is what it feels like for normal people.

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Like, this is why you guys sleep so good. You could hardly believe it, I bet.

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I it felt so refreshing. It really felt so good. And so for me, Alan is my husband, is like a blocker of all things ghosty. He, if sleep paralysis was happening, because it still continues to happen, but it is so rare nowadays. So rare. Like I would say maybe once a year, twice a year, max. And sometimes it doesn't even happen at all, you know. So, but when anything would happen, or when I would have, you know, spirits enter my room, and you know, because I think as as a person who is sensitive to those things, you're like a freaking beacon, you know, you're like a living person who can see them, not see them, but like acknowledge them. Yeah. And it's like a living person knows I exist. Yeah. I want to go talk to them.

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It's the lighthouse in the dark. That's right.

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Yeah. If you can imagine hocus pocus, the book opens, here comes this beam of light through the house.

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Straight up.

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Straight up. For everybody to see. For everybody to see. And that's what I felt like I was, right? Because at the time, I didn't know how to turn anything off. I didn't know how to protect myself from that part of my life. You know, it was just on all the time. It's like my the light switch was on, my open sign was on all the time. My welcome sign was there. I had a welcome mat, apparently.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

I had a bus bringing bringing them to your door.

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So I was constantly bombarded a lot, especially if I would wake up in the middle of the night and I was wide awake for no apparent reason. And then it'd be like, oh, something, you know, is coming. And I would always feel it. You could always tell that where where they were for me. And when they would walk in, you know, come into the side of the bed, and I'd be like, freaking Ellen, wake up. Alan, wake up, wake up, wake up, hurry, wake up. He would wake up, gone. They were gone. Instant. All I had to do was wake him up. And I don't know what it is. I have no idea. But it's like he wakes up and it like pushes everything away. So then I could finally go to sleep. So it was like that. And I got to the point where um, like I was a stay-at-home mom. And now I felt like I was being followed all the time. And I had my friend that lived below me, and she was fairly sensitive to things, you know, but um she'd be like, Alisa, somebody's in your house. Like I can hear them walking around your house. And when I'd be outside playing with my little boy, and so I'd have to hurry and run up there, and nobody's there, you know? And so, like, I don't know, I just I got to the point where it was affecting my daily life. Right. Not just when I was sleeping, but when I was awake, not just at nighttime, but also during the day. And it I felt like I would do everything I could to try to get rid of it, and I could not get rid of it. I was calling my parents and asking them for advice, like, and I would do the things that you know our church will tell us to do to try to get rid of them, and it worked to some extent, but then they always came back.

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So it was always just like a temporary fix.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Right. And I wanted a permanent fix.

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Exactly.

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Because I was terrified and high and I was really tired. When you're a mom, you're you're a new mom, especially, you are tired. So I ended up going to um a girl's house that I at the time was called visiting teaching, and I was doing my visiting teaching with this girl and named Becky, and um she was like the person I needed. She was telling me, she's like, Oh, I'm going on this ghost hunt, I'm doing all these things, and I was like, I want to go. And even though, now riddle me this. Even though I was terrified of this stuff, I freaking loved ghost stories. I loved like ghost hunters, and I loved like all of that. I was always so fascinated by that, but yet I was terrified because I was having my own personal experiences. Riddle me that. I have no idea. Makes no sense whatsoever. You'd think I would be terrified, I would want nothing to do with it. But I was always fascinated by it. There was some thrill in that for me. I don't know, it was kind of like a almost like a high. Right. You know, an adrenaline rush.

SPEAKER_05 20:12

Oh, yeah.

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But then I was alone and I wouldn't, I was like, adrenaline rush was not wanted. Like, I I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. But anyway, so I was like, okay, I want to know more about this. Knowledge is power. I want to know everything that I can to help me through this situation. And so I asked her, I was like, oh, I was told telling her like what I was going through. And now she was teaching me instead of me teaching her. And she was like, you should come with me. And she's like, I think you would enjoy it. Like, I I I think you would bet really benefit from this. And I was like, okay. She's like, let's go on a double date. Because her and her husband love to go ghost hunting. I'm like, I will drag my husband along because I know he cares nothing about this. Um, but he totally willingly went, you know. He was like, he's like, of course I'll go. So he went and um we went to uh where did we go? Fort Douglas. Went to Fort Douglas.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

The military museum, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Yep. And um Becky and I were in the library, and Alan and her husband were down the hall talking, having a conversation. We couldn't even really hear him or anything. Um, but I saw a book about uh different jobs and different places and different countries, you know, and they just had a list of all these different books. And I was like, What did you do for a living? Because we had a record I had a record, yeah, I had a recorder going, my husband had a recorder going, and um I asked the question in the library. But yet my husband's recorder that is going down the hall, and I can't even hear him, at that same moment says, I was a doctor. Awesome. Clear as day. Class A, EVP, very first one I ever got. Well, I didn't even get it. It was my husband that got it. And I was like, Well, that's way rude. But then you like you think about it and you kind of wonder because back during those times, it was like men spoke to men, women spoke to women, you know. Yeah. And women weren't in that area. You know, it was men. It was a men-filled place. So it made sense that they would go to the man. Right. But um, I at that point I was hooked. I was like, there's more to it than this. You know, like it wasn't some creepy dude that wanted to scare the daylights out of me. It was somebody having a conversation with me. It was an intelligent response. You know, I want to know more. And so I went on more. Becky and her husband graciously took me to a bunch of different places of these public ghost hunts that there were, if you guys know the Chunga hunts or Chunga, I think I can't remember what station he was on, but um, the radio host. And so he would do these hunts, and we would get to experience what it was like to be a paranormal investigator. Well, then um there was a team that started helping out on the Chunga hunts, and it was the Wisps team, and they were now opening spots for their team for people to come and join. And um Becky and I both put in applications to be on the team. I had invested a little bit more money into it where because, you know, it's obviously a huge part of my life, and I really did want to know as much as I possibly could. So I invested in some equipment already into a good, a really good recorder, and um all of this stuff I still use now. And they I think for them that was the key because they knew I was invested. Like I I really wanted to know more. I actually won a an investigation with them. Um, I solved one of the things that they had put out, like, figure out where I'm at, and then you can win this trip, whatever. And I figured out where they were at. So um I got to go with them to a um a residential, so someone's home, and do an investigation there. And I literally took off. Like I was like, I'm in my happy place. I asked all the questions, I was so involved, and I was not shy, and um, they were like, this is it, you're in. And so it really fit in perfectly for me. They were the perfect team to learn all of the basics, all of how to start investigations, you know, and the residential investigations were the key for me because that's for me where it started. It started in my home. It started, you know, when I was a kid, and I was now, you know, helping families that had little kids that were seeing things, and I was like, I get you, little dude. Like, I get you. I know what you mean. And and I think it was really validating for the families and for the little kids because it wasn't just me that had experiences as a kid, you know, like a lot of people that I was with had experiences when they were younger. Um, granted, I don't know if they could see them like I could see them or or you know, talk to them like I had talked to them. But um it was cool to be able to start helping people the way that I wished I could have been helped and understood. Not that my parents wouldn't, they just didn't know.

SPEAKER_05 26:14

Well, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

You know, I mean I don't I don't think they hardly knew anything, really, just that I was terrified.

SPEAKER_03 26:20

And back then it was really the Warrens and a handful of other people who were really just getting started. The f the paranormal investigation field has been while it's very old in the world, it's very young here in the US.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

Yeah, yeah, it is. I think once Ghost Runners came out, it has boomed.

unknown 26:45

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

Investigation teams are everywhere now, like so many places has opened up to investigate, and you could pretty much go anywhere, anywhere in the United States, and find places to go hunt, you know. But for me, that's where all my basis of my ghost hunting has been. And I did a lot of residentials, I did very few actual buildings. Um most of mine really I I probably did hundreds. I went on every one that I could possibly go on. I was going on multiple a week trying to get as many houses as I could in. And it was so rewarding and so full of understanding and knowledge. And um, there was another um girl named Brandy, and she was a very good, she is a very good medium, and my gifts really started opening up during that time because it's just like a muscle that you work on, and if you don't work on that muscle, you lose that muscle and you lose that talent, you know. And I think that's how it was for me, is because I had pushed it away for a really, really long time and it naturally started opening up. So I was able to identify a male, female, you know. Most of the time I could really only identify male at that at that point. Um, but I could see in my head like what they look like, you know, and I could um see where they were. You know, I wasn't actually seeing with my eyes. I still don't see with my eyes. Every once in a while I'll catch a glimpse, you know, but most of the time it's just like I'm seeing things in my head.

SPEAKER_05 28:39

Kind of like a projector in your head or a picture.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

A hundred percent. Yeah, yeah. I'm seeing it in my head as if I can see it with my eyes. Right. Right. So um it's like watching a movie or something and remembering it and thinking it back on it, and it plays, and that's exactly what I see. So yeah, things started really developing for me, and she helped me out a little bit and um helped guide me a little. And then um things changed within the group, and I people left and stuff, and I decided to leave and because I was kind of done with that. Um, I was ready to move on, ready to grow. And I had done a lot of um uh like investigations teaching other people how to investigate, and I was kind of done with it at that point. I was ready to actually investigate buildings and places, like really cool places without having to lead a group.

SPEAKER_05 29:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

You know, because at that point I was leading lots of groups and and I'm like, I just want to investigate on my own. Like I I want to know what it's like to do it on my own. I haven't done it on my own, you know. And so, and that's where I came in with you guys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

Well, we met on one of those public investigations.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

Uh I yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:02

You were our group leader, then we abandoned you. Yeah, went off our ground.

SPEAKER_05 30:06

Only because it was so stinking hot, and I was really struggling.

SPEAKER_03 30:10

Yeah, it was August.

SPEAKER_05 30:12

So hot. It was in August, and the I mean it was dark, but it was hot and muggy.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

Every building was swelteringly hot.

SPEAKER_05 30:20

Yeah, and I was struggling. So yeah, we did. We kind of abandoned her group, which I freaking don't even blame you.

SPEAKER_06 30:27

I didn't really even want to be a part of the group.

SPEAKER_03 30:29

Well, it was after the hottest building. I mean, and this is crazy, is this building has no heat in it, and you investigate it in the wintertime and there's snow on the ground, yeah, and you're taking off jackets in this building. And I have no idea how it's so hot. Yeah, but it was after that building, we're like, we're done. We're out.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Yep. Couldn't handle the heat. And I couldn't leave. No choice.

SPEAKER_05 30:54

She was stuck.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

I was stuck trying to tell everybody to ask their own questions instead of just watching me.

SPEAKER_03 31:02

Well, we did. Remember, we did.

SPEAKER_05 31:04

Well, that's just kind of the part of you know, leading a group is that you're teaching people how to investigate and well, you're yeah, you're you're not just telling them, you're showing them by example.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Yeah. And so trying to show other people how to speak up, ask questions. And because at first it always feels awkward.

SPEAKER_05 31:22

Oh, of course.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Because you're talking to the air. You feel silly.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

It is the weirdest feeling in the world when you first do it.

SPEAKER_05 31:28

Yeah. But after a while you do get used to it.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Yeah. After the first few, then I I mean, for me, it was the first one. I was all in the first one. I didn't feel awkward at all.

SPEAKER_04 31:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

But you can tell when you are leading groups that people were like, uh, I don't want to ask a question, you ask a question.

SPEAKER_03 31:46

We've seen it.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

Yeah, we've definitely seen it. So what was you did a lot of home investigations. Yeah. What was one that was like the most memorable one that you did?

SPEAKER_01 31:59

In Willard. So um we went to, well, there's there's a couple, but Willard for me was the biggest one. It was um an empty home, and there was uh a cop that had owned the home. She uh she owned it and she had been renting it out to families, and um families would come and go quickly. She got a lot of newlyweds and um they wouldn't last long. I think she said one of her longest was like a year.

SPEAKER_05 32:35

That's it, huh?

SPEAKER_03 32:36

Yeah, for a person renting a house, that's bad.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Yeah, and it was an older home, it was an old home, you know, it was a really old home. But I mean, she kept it up nice, you know. It wasn't like it was in disarray or terrible condition, you know, it was, you know, original wood flooring, you know, things like that, but it was not a bad home. And um, but she's like, people there would get angry at each other. They would start fighting all the time. They some ended in divorce. And she wanted to know why. Like, what was the reason? You know, like why were people so why were they struggling so much in there? Like they were, they would tell her, like, we're hearing stuff, we're hearing footsteps, we're hearing doors closing, you know. And like she really wanted to get to the bottom of it. Somebody was out, or like people had moved out, the house was empty, perfect opportunity, right? So we set up all of our stuff, and um, there was the main level and then an upstairs. And back then there wasn't a basement, you'd have your crawl space underneath the floor, and um she's like, I won't even go in there. You guys do your thing, I'll meet you outside when you're done. Like, let me know and I'll come back, but I'm not going inside. So we set up our stuff and we put a ping pong ball because they're really light and easy to move. So we put a ping pong ball on an iron um wood burning stove. Those things are solid.

SPEAKER_05 34:16

Oh, yes, they are solid.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

We put it on top of the wood burning stove and jumped around, did all the things to try to get it to move. Wouldn't move. Great, that's it. We went around the house asking questions and things, and and then it got to a point where it just got really heavy really fast. I mean, you felt it as soon as you walked in, it was like a wall of thick, heavy. You knew something dark was there. And we walked in and did some investigating. I we went upstairs, did some investigating up there, and we felt like the main problem was the main floor. And because they like to linger in certain spots. And we heard we're all in this same room together. We did have a camera going. It was set up uh facing, you know, it was up in the corner facing, you know, the opposite side of the of the room which had a lot of the investigators on it. And in that main room, that's where the stairs are to go up, right by the front door. And I'm standing next to the wood burning stove. But unfortunately, the camera is not hitting me in the wood burning stove. Not that it needs to hit me, but it's not hitting the wood bur the wood burning stove. Well, suddenly we see the ball start to circle, not spin, but circle. It's like making, you know, and we are in shock at this point. When you're on the outside looking in, you're like, dude, put your camera to the wood burning stove, like you know, but at the time, you're like, holy crap. Because this stuff does not happen very often. Stuff where things move, it is like I've I've been doing this for a decade now. This is the what maybe first I think that was the first time I'd actually seen anything move. But I think I've only seen like one or two things happen after that in all the time that I've investigated. So we were all in shock that this was circling. And then it got really heavy, and we heard a woman crying, and we're like, what the heck? Like audibly, we all audibly heard this woman cry. And we're like, um, I I don't know how we got her name. Um, we'll just say Nicole. Okay. And we're like, Nicole, is that you? And sh you hear, uh, it's me. And we're like, what the heck? You know, like normally when you hear things, it's off of a recorder that you don't hear with your ears.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

You gotta go back and look at it.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

You gotta go back and listen to it. And by that time, you mean you're out, you're not in there anymore. And it's day two, three past the time that you've, you know, had that experience. So we're here, we're hearing her, and we're like, how can we help you? What can we do? Because she did not feel bad, she did not feel evil. She you felt this sadness come over you because you they can put those feelings onto you, and you can feel those sometimes if you're receptive to it. And then you hear, we're trying to help her. Then you hear, and I'm getting like goosebumps right now, just talking about it, but you hear heavy footsteps coming down those stairs. Like this dude was ticked, and you hear these boots coming down this stairs, and we're like, absolutely not. You stop right where you are, you are not allowed to come any further. We need to take care of her, right? Our job is to help her move on, help protect her. He needs to stay over here and not be involved because you could tell he had control over her, and you wonder how that could be in the afterlife. How is that possible? In all honesty, I don't know if anybody knows, but I do believe that your agency doesn't change just because you pass on. And I don't know what that has to do with this situation that we were in at that moment, that I just know it was exact it was existing, it was happening. And she felt controlled, she felt like she was not able to leave, and she was coming to us because we were there to help, right? This was her one escape. And so a lot of the members that of my team were members of my church, and um we helped her move on and guided her, um, and we could fill her leave, and then we had to deal with him. He is ticked at this point because of course, because he just lost control. He did. And so we were able to I don't want to say get him to move on or whatever. We got him to leave, right? He was not allowed in the house anymore. I don't remember exactly what had happened, but I do remember after um we had asked the the cop if we could if she would allow us to do a blessing on the home and to bless the home. And she was like, absolutely. She's like, you do whatever you need to do to get this dude out. And so we did, and we blessed the home, and it felt like all of the heaviness completely lifted.

SPEAKER_05 39:47

It's just like a heavy fog dissipating.

SPEAKER_01 39:50

Yeah. And it was like all of a sudden it felt clear, you know. It's like, you know, when you go in the water, and the deeper you go, the more weight and pressure you feel. And that's what it feels like. When it's a super dark place, you feel that heaviness. And the the worse the entity, the heavier it feels, the thicker it feels. So once we blessed the home, the feeling left and it felt good again. And she walked in and she was like, Oh my gosh, it feels so good in here. We're like, doesn't it? It feels so good. And like she walked around the the house and she's like, the whole place just feels so good and empty. And um, she had told us that what had happened was in that home, um a man had killed his wife and I believe baby or child, um, and buried her underneath the house. So um that just showed us the story, you know, of what had gone on in that home and that entire time he had been controlling her. And I'm just like, and I don't know what happened to him after he had done that. I don't know if he killed himself. I don't know if he lived longer and lived a life. I have no idea. Um, but that was probably the most memorable and most I don't want to say intense, but just left an imprint. Something that you'll never forget. And it because it all happened within hours. Wow. You know, you hear the footsteps, you hear the lady cry, you hear her saying it's me, you feel all the emotions, you see this ball move. Like all of these things that are happening in this so short amount of time, you rarely get one of those things to happen in an investigation.

SPEAKER_04 41:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

In an entire investigation. So that was probably the most memorable for me.

unknown 41:57

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 41:58

That's really cool.

SPEAKER_05 41:59

That's really it's it's cool, but I I can't, I mean, I I can't really imagine the rest of the emotions if you were actually there doing that. You know what I mean? Like us listening to it, we're like fascinated. It's like, oh, that's really cool. But there's such when you're actually the person that's there and seeing, hearing, feeling, and experiencing these things, it's it's a much different, like it's still cool, but well, and it's kind of like almost like an out-of-body experience.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

You know, because afterwards, when everything's all said and done, we're like, did that really just happen? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:32

Did that actually did we actually hear her? But like what was great is that there was like five of us there.

SPEAKER_05 42:39

Yeah. Who all heard. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 42:40

And we all heard it.

SPEAKER_05 42:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

We all saw that ball move, we all heard the footsteps. You know, like we all experienced the same thing. And so when you can all experience the same thing, it's so validating.

SPEAKER_00 42:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

And it's something that you all share and it brings you closer together as a group. And it was just a really, really neat experience. And it's so cool to turn what I had experienced throughout my life going from such a scary thing and turning it to knowledge as power and flipping it to helping other people who are going through this things like that I had experienced growing up, you know. Obviously, it's not going to be the same, you know. Right. But getting something to help, using my abilities and using my knowledge to help relieve families from experiences like this. Right.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

Yeah, because it can it can be intense for families because they don't always know what's going on. They just know something's happening and and sometimes they just need some clarity as to who or what is in their house.

SPEAKER_01 43:46

Yeah. And, you know, what we would do is we would go in, figure out the best we could to help them or like to figure out who it was, and then we would go give them the knowledge and teach them. How to take back their house, you know, and give them that power back.

SPEAKER_04 44:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

And that alone is so amazing for them.

SPEAKER_05 44:09

It's very rewarding.

SPEAKER_01 44:11

Well, yeah, and to be able to feel like you're finally back in your own home. Like, hey, dude, this isn't your home anymore. Or this never was your home. You're not invited here. You know, and give them those tools to be able to succeed for the rest of the time. So they don't have to call us back. You know, that's the goal.

SPEAKER_05 44:28

Right. Absolutely. I I would I'd want to go on to ask, um, so today, what do you do with your gifts today? Like, are you still building on them? Are you expanding them? Are you growing them? Or do you think you've gone as far as you can go with it?

SPEAKER_01 44:42

I feel like I'm always expanding, I'm always growing. Um, I feel like that's just how it is with any talent. No matter if it's a a talent of playing the piano or a talent of a sport. You know, I feel like the longer you do it, the more you grow and the better you get. And for me, um, I have my times where I don't use it at all, right? Like when I'm home, I don't want anything to do with it. You know? I don't want anything to do with it. I don't want like I don't involve myself in any of that when I'm home. I don't want my kids to be a part of it. I don't like in a sense where they're young, you know, I want them to know enough where they will come to me and be like, mom, something's going on. Because unfortunately, with me having the ability that I do, eventually things pop up. And it will happen my entire life. I'm I will never be rid of it, right? And it doesn't matter if I push it away or if I stay doing what I'm doing, it will always be there. So the best thing for me is like being able to help my kids and help have if any of my kids end up having the ability that I have, which hopefully they don't. Um, but if they do, I can help them and they will be able to feel comfortable to come to me and I will have that knowledge to help them out.

SPEAKER_04 46:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

And give them the verbiage. Not that I want them to know like deep dive into this because I I don't, but they know enough to be able to be like, mom, um, something's going on in my room, or I think I saw something, or you know, and I can work through work it through with them.

SPEAKER_05 46:30

Right.

SPEAKER_01 46:30

So they're not scared. I don't want them to be scared because I feel like that is something that Satan works on really good.

unknown 46:38

Right.

SPEAKER_01 46:38

He's like, oh, you're scared. Let me make it worse. Right. You know, but if they're not scared, then why go after that?

SPEAKER_05 46:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:47

It's not worth their time. Nope. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 46:49

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 46:50

So I always think that I'm I'm growing, I'm lear always learning new things. I now my abilities have grown so much that, you know, I'm able to actually have conversations with loved ones. And I'm able to connect people with their loved ones and um give them messages that they have been wanting to hear. So I don't seek that out in general. Like I don't, it's not something that I am like, pay me$50 and I'll tell you. I'm gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_03 47:31

For$4.99 a minute. I'll tell you your deepest secrets.

SPEAKER_01 47:37

Call 1-800-555. You fool. Like, I'm not that, but I but if you know uh a spirit comes to me and gives me information, I'm gonna tell him. Yeah, of course. If I feel it's appropriate, you know, I'll tell them, especially if they're a close friend. Or um someone that I know, then I'll say something. Yeah. You know, because I've like had, you know, my husband's dad show up, his uh grandpa, you know, I've you know, I've had animals that have passed away that I'm like, huh, they're here just for a moment. You just get it for a moment and then they're gone. But it's like I feel like that is the positive side to all of this. Right. Is now instead of just experiencing all the negative things, I've grown it enough where now most of it is so good. It is it is the good spirits that are now I'm able to communicate with and see and just have those experiences, and those experiences will will always outweigh the negative.

SPEAKER_05 48:53

Right, absolutely, absolutely. So is there any place let's start with in our country here. Is there any place that you really want to go? Like, what's your number one spot that you haven't been but want to go to?

SPEAKER_01 49:09

There's so many.

SPEAKER_05 49:11

I know it's hard, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:14

Um, Penn State Penitentiary is probably probably my number one. Um oh gosh. Well, we talked about the Axe Murder House. Yep. Axe Murder House.

SPEAKER_03 49:31

Um which to this day is still an unsolved murder.

SPEAKER_01 49:35

Yep. Um we talked about Waverly. The whole that place is huge. Oh, you have no idea. I do not, because I've never been there.

SPEAKER_03 49:48

If you were to so I talk to a guard there who gets to investigate every year there. He has his own little paranormal group. He's investigated for at the time was six straight years.

SPEAKER_01 49:59

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 50:00

And he's gotten about a quarter of the building investigated.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

Isn't that incredible? Yeah, because it's so massive.

SPEAKER_03 50:08

It's like you've got patient rooms on one side, activity rooms, and bathrooms on the other side, and you've got five floors of it. Yeah. Including the infamous body shoot.

SPEAKER_01 50:22

Right? Yeah. Yeah, there's just there are so many places that I've seen or heard of or read about, or you know, whatever, that I'm just like, I have got to get in there. Any hospital, tuberculosis place, your any penitentiary, your um what I really want to do is a place, an orphanage. Oh. I would really love to do an orphanage.

SPEAKER_03 50:51

They're hard to get to because most of them don't exist anymore.

SPEAKER_01 50:55

I know. Yeah. But it's like back then, back in the day, they, you know, when the Great Depression hit, people would drop off their kids just so that they could be fed. Right.

SPEAKER_03 51:10

That actually happened to my grandfather.

unknown 51:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

On my dad's side. On my dad's side. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:15

And when he was adopted out, we don't actually know if my last name is truly my last name.

SPEAKER_05 51:23

Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_03 51:24

Because we don't know if he was adopted back by his birth parents or by a different family. And the the orphanage burned down and all the records are gone.

SPEAKER_01 51:33

Oh man.

SPEAKER_03 51:34

So it's lost to history.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

Man. That's crazy. But yeah, so there's I want to do hospitals. I want to do, you know, like I which I have, but I want to hit the east side of Oh, there's so much over there. On the east. Yes. Yes. I want to do a plantation. You know, like.

SPEAKER_05 51:53

Ooh, Myrtle's plantation.

SPEAKER_01 51:55

Yes, right? My husband's from North Carolina. I'm like, get my butt over there. Right? Why haven't we gone? I don't know. Maybe because it's on the other side of the country. I in your country is huge.

SPEAKER_03 52:07

It's only 900 miles. No, it's 1,100 miles one way.

SPEAKER_05 52:12

Yeah. I think as paranormal investigators, I think any if you talk to really any paranormal investigators that's, you know, done a little bit of traveling, at least to like neighboring states from where they live, I think you'll find that we all have this massive list of locations, whether it's here in the United States or anywhere else in the world, our list, every time you hear about another place, you're like adding it to your list, you know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:39

It just keeps growing. Yeah. I think it's at like 7,000 right now.

SPEAKER_05 52:44

I lost count. But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:47

What advice would you give to someone who has gifts but is younger? Like, say a teenager who is starting to show signs of having gifts. What advice would you give to them?

SPEAKER_01 53:03

Stay away from the dark stuff. Um, because that's what pulls you in. I feel like that's the easy accessible stuff, which is as a teenager, can be the most damaging. Um I would do the do your best to find people like you who want to see the good, which honestly is really hard to find. It's hard to find people who are it's hard to talk about because not a lot of people are open about it.

SPEAKER_03 53:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01 53:37

But do your best to stay positive.

SPEAKER_05 53:43

So yeah, looking for the positive is is really important, especially in a world, especially today where anything bad seems to be at the forefront. Like when you look at the news or read something, a lot of it is bad. So there's a lot of good there, but you might have to dig a little bit because we seem to promote the bad.

SPEAKER_01 54:05

Oh, we do. Well, and it's like that's what's enticing to a lot of people, right? That's not entire like that's not what I like to investigate. Um, I've helped a lot of people with bad. Um, but also learn how to protect yourself, how to spread that positivity around you and give yourself that bubble of protection so that you're not inviting things to you, you know.

SPEAKER_03 54:39

But like how okay, how does one go about learning those things though? Like someone's gonna like I mean we can find everything on YouTube, right, to be honest nowadays.

SPEAKER_05 54:51

But that can also be misleading to right.

SPEAKER_03 54:52

So, like where should they go? Like how like who should they go talk to? Because not every clergy or individual of the church or a church is going to be open to those things.

SPEAKER_01 55:05

Right. I would say most good paranormal investigation groups are gonna have a medium, they're gonna have someone who understands that side to teach you how to protect yourself. And a lot of people, you know, if you depending on your religion, depending on what you believe, are going to have different beliefs.

SPEAKER_04 55:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

But it's all about intention. You creating space for you and not allowing anything to come in. Realizing that that is actually an option for you is huge. And a lot of people will um that I found that it almost doesn't matter what you believe in, if you can create a white light, white light meaning goodness, you know, Christ light, or whatever you want to call it, use that. And what I like to do is I picture my home or I'll picture myself and I'll picture a literal bubble of protection, a literal bubble, like a Harry Potter bubble of protection. And it works, it works for me, and I it's a staple for me that I'm like, you're not allowed to go past this point, you're not allowed to go past any part that I don't want you to be in, and they don't, unless I do something stupid and invite them in because they'll take any chance they can get, especially if you have a gift, they will take any chance they can get to hop on that ride, and it's easy for them. And they're waiting, they're patient. They got all the time in the world.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

They got eternity.

SPEAKER_05 57:02

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 57:03

They have all the time in the world to wait for you. So literally make the best choices that you can because they are waiting to ride that train. And that that white light, put that around you, imagine it around you. Yeah. You know, and it's it's impressive how quick um with you making a wrong choice. Meaning um we would deal with a lot of teenagers who were trying drugs or playing with a Ouija board, and it could even just be their first time, you know, or watching porn. Something along those lines where it invites any negative energy in and opens that door, it will flood. They will come flooding in. And it's hard to get them out once they're in. It takes a lot more effort to push them away. So as long as you can make the right choices, don't be stupid.

SPEAKER_06 58:02

Best advice ever. Don't be stupid. But that's to any teenager at this point. Don't be stupid. Well, unfortunately, that's a lot of adults too, right?

SPEAKER_03 58:11

So some of them get TV shows. Or YouTube channels.

SPEAKER_05 58:17

Well, and that's another thing is don't let the things you see on YouTube or on TV, these you know, paranormal shows, don't mimic those. Like especially the ones where they're going in, and it's always the dark, and it's always the demons. Everything is and it's always met with anger and everything's haunted and gruesome things. Don't get wrapped up in that because I'm telling you something, it's for entertainment purposes only. Yep. A lot of it is absolute bogus.

SPEAKER_01 58:46

Do not investigate in your house.

SPEAKER_05 58:48

No, do not ever investigate your own house.

SPEAKER_01 58:50

I mean, as a kid, you know, and like a teenager and wanting to learn about these things. So when when you're alone, where are you? You're in your room. Yeah. You're like, hey, let's let's try something, let's ask questions, let's put on my recorder on my phone. You know, let's don't do that. Yeah. That is just opening a door. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:12

That's asking them to come play.

SPEAKER_01 59:15

Right? Like, that's right. Don't be stupid. Don't do it. Think things through before you do it. And if it's going if you think that that door is going to be open for anyone and you don't know who's gonna come through, don't do it.

SPEAKER_05 59:29

That's right. All good advice.

SPEAKER_03 59:30

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SPEAKER_01 59:42

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