A Paranormal Origin Story - Part 3

We have come to the last of the origin stories.  Jamey tells all about how she got into the paranormal, and what experiences she had that truly terrified her and intrigued her.  There are some places that are just that spooky.


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We have cookies. Between the Realm of the Dead and the Journeys of the Living, join Josh, Jamie, and Elisa as they delve into the vast world of the paranormal and breathe life back into the history of the departed.

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Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Paranormal Peeps Podcast. I'm Josh.

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I'm Jamie. And I'm Elisa.

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She's this isn't it?

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This isn't a drill, people. She's really here. It's an oddity, I know.

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That makes two in a row. Oh my goodness.

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That's all you're gonna get.

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And we won't see her again until Christmas.

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So rude.

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So last episode was our Paranormal Origins Part 2. And tonight is the final segment of it.

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It is? Who's going? You, my dear. No. You. I don't know what you're talking about. I got nothing. Well, we're about to find out. A whole hour and nothing. Buckle up, everybody. It's a whole hour and nothing. All you can hear is beep. Dude, nah. It's like I don't have that much energy.

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It's like when the end of the programming used to happen. You just get that tone and the little bars come up.

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Or we can do like the AOL startup.

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Or just a or a Microsoft blue screen to death.

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Yeah, but people can't see. This is this is hearing, not visual.

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Oh, that's true.

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So that how does that work?

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They're gonna just have to imagine it.

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Okay. So tell us, Jamie, where does your origin begin? Well, it all began. Four score.

SPEAKER_05 1:58

Four score and seven many years ago. I don't want to give away too much. Uh so the furthest back that I can remember, I was probably about, I'd say four, four years old. And I had, and I don't know that this is paranormal, but this is something that really scared the daylights out of me. I'd have a recurring dream every single night, like without fail. This was a nightly dream, every single night. And there would be this big brown book that would descend, right? Yep, and then it would open up, and then a single hair, like a hair off your head, yeah, would float down into the crease of the book, and the book would slam shut very violently. And when the book slams shut, then it would kind of go upright, and I could see what the book was, and in big, like it wasn't really gold, it would be more like yellow, big yellow capital letters. It said Bible. And this went on for I mean, I don't know how long, but it was a nightly dream every night.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

So, what made it scary? I have no idea, just the vibe of it with scary. Yeah, it scared, it scared me so bad. Because I had not that dream, but I had a recurring dream when I was really young that happened for years, and it was the same dream over and over and over again.

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Yeah, just repeats. Yeah, and it was terrifying night without fail. Yeah, and I guess it was just the vibe. I don't know why it scared me so bad, but it really scared me bad. And to this day, I couldn't tell you why.

SPEAKER_03 3:50

Well, what I'm wondering is even though it said Bible on it, they say that you know you have your own book of life in heaven, right? And everything you do is recorded in your book. And that's because the hair, I'm wondering if it was like to represent like your hair.

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Right.

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But that wouldn't be a scary thing. You know what I mean?

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Like Well, right, and I don't know if it's just because I was so young and I didn't understand that it was terrifying.

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But at the same time, it's like you go off what you feel.

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Yeah. And it was.

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And if it feels scary, it's scary. Yeah. You just don't know why. I just don't know why.

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Huh.

SPEAKER_05 4:33

So I don't know if that really falls under like a paran it doesn't really fall under like necessarily a paranormal, but it's definitely definitely different. So um when I was young too, I also remember, and this is still around the same age, four, maybe five. Um, my mom a lot of times would drop my brother and I off at my grandparents' house, and she would go to work. And my grandma a lot of times we would kind of walk um up back on their neighbor neighbor's property, way back up there. Um, and sometimes we go across the street in the front of their house. And I don't know if that property was owned by anybody, it was really overgrown, but it had like raspberry and blackberry bushes up there. And so my grandma would take us up there and we'd pick the blueberries, well, blackberries, raspberries, and stuff, and we'd eat them. I remember though that like my grandma, you know, I wasn't always right next to her because we were kind of out in the country, it was safe, you know, and she'd walk kind of one way, my brother would be over another way, and I'd kind of wander off my own way, and I wouldn't go too far, but I'd be picking like the berries off the bushes and stuff, and all of a sudden I would hear like the the sound would change around me, right? It wasn't really like static y, but it would change, it was different, and I would hear what sounded like a massive herd of horses running, like they were coming up behind me, and it would always scare me. Like it was loud, it was obvious what that sound is because I grew up with horses. Yeah, I knew it sounded what the sound of thundering hoofs was, you know. I knew that sound very well. And I would hear this. Well, there's no cow cattle, there's no cows, there's no horses on this property. It wasn't fenced in or anything. There was none of that, you know, because the overgrowth was so much, you know. Like if there was animals there, you wouldn't have that overgrowth. You wouldn't have that overgrowth that was about as tall as I was at the time, you know. Um, but anytime we went across the street over in that area, at some point or another, I would hear thundering hoofs. And I could never really, it sounded like they were coming up from behind, but there were times where I couldn't distinguish where, what direction it was coming from, but it would scare me because I'd look around because I'm thinking I'm gonna get run over by these big animals, you know, and I would turn around, I'd look, and I would see nothing, and the sound would stop.

SPEAKER_03 7:05

That's interesting. So, how long would that sound go on for? Um, I don't know a few seconds.

SPEAKER_05 7:11

Yeah, it wasn't super long. It was never like an extended period of time, but it was obvious what the sound was. It went on long enough for me to know recognize it, yeah. And what that sound is.

SPEAKER_03 7:23

So that would happen quite quite often when we went across the street, but only when we went across the street on the one side. That's interesting. It makes me wonder if it was something like residual. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 7:36

Like many years ago, wild wild horses, yeah, you know, maybe indigenous people. I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:43

It's strange though, that I mean, I mean, residual does make sense, right? But it's strange that it happens when you go over there every time.

SPEAKER_05 7:50

Well, yeah, I remember asking my brother, and I remember asking my grandma if there were any horses around. And she's like, No, nothing's fenced in, there's no horses here. And I would tell her I heard horses, and she's like, What? You heard them like talking, and I'm like, you know, like winning. I said, No, I heard them running. She's like, There's no horses. She goes, I didn't hear anything. So yeah, I knew that it was, you know, and the more it happened, the more I realized I'm the only one hearing this, you know. And I was like four or five, so definitely different. Definitely, definitely different. Um, but as I got older and stuff, I had other experiences that I don't know. I I guess at the time, you know, sometimes things happen and you you kind of go, oh, that's weird, right? And then you don't really think about it anymore. But one time, and I think I've kind of touched on this in past episodes. Um, I was about 16, and sometimes my grandparents would go out of town and they had horses at the time up at the barn, and they always like to have somebody stay there when they were gonna be gone for more than a day to kind of watch over their property because they live on five acres. There were no close neighbors at the time anywhere around them. Um, it's kind of out in the middle of nowhere.

SPEAKER_03 9:06

And they have animals, didn't they have animals?

SPEAKER_05 9:09

Horses, yeah, yeah, yeah. They had horses. Um, so I would I said I'll stay there, you know, because I go up and feed in the morning and the evening. And I remember being a little nervous being there. I was only 16, but I was a little nervous about being there on my own because when it gets dark out there, it gets dark, and there's lots of woods, right? Cougars. Oh, yeah, there's cougars, even moose at times. A flacamusin. A flacka mousin. Um, but I was really nervous about staying out there, and I remember before it got dark, I went up and I fed the horses and I made sure their trough was full. And then I went down, and my grandparents have like this big circular driveway, right? You you come in one gate and you can kind of go up to the house and then go down another uh the other part of the driveway and go out the lower gate. So I went out and I locked the one gate because the other one at the other side was already locked, and I locked it, and I went in the house and I shut the garage and I made sure all the doors were locked, and I remember being really nervous about staying by myself, no neighbors, felt like the middle nowhere, felt like in the middle of the woods, right? If anything were to happen, I was kind of on my own. This is like a thriller book, a little bit, it's alone in the woods, and I was nervous, and so I went downstairs into the basement, which you know we call like the rec room, um, us old folks, and my grandpa had like a one of those big projection TVs down there, like it's like about as tall as I am, and they're huge, and they have the floodlights, you know, in the ceiling and stuff, and so I remember turning on the lights and turning on the TV, and instead of going into they had a bedroom down there, one of the rooms was a bedroom, and it was my grandma's Victorian room, and I didn't want to sleep in there because she had this mannequin in there that was wearing this old, like very pretty Victorian dress. You know, she had this mannequin dressed in this in this outfit and with a hat and it had a wig on its head. And I was like, I'm not staying. You're like that's a whole lot of nope for that. That's a whole lot of nope because the way the bed was, and it's one of those sleigh beds, she's kind of not really right at the foot of the bed, she's by the closet. But if you're laying in the bed and you open your eyes, what are you gonna see? You see her first, you see this mannequin. Nope. And I'm like, yeah, so no. So I'm I'm where the TV's at in the next room over in the big area of the rec room, and I decide I'm just gonna lay on this couch. And I kept the floodlights on, of course, and I have the TV on. And at some point, even though I was really nervous, I fell asleep. Well, I remember waking up startled, and as I woke up, there was like this coffee table next to the couch, and it had like the really sharp corners, like the really pointy corners, right? And I remember waking up with a start, and I sat up really fast and I hit the back of my hand on the corner of that coffee table, right? Couch. And but when I sit up and I look over at this white leather recliner that they have that's kind of by the couch, there's this woman standing there. And she is dressed in Victorian clothing, she has a parasol, and I remember looking at her, and I'm like terrified. But all of a sudden, I hear her voice in my head. Her lips aren't moving, but she's talking to me, and in like this really gentle voice, she says, It's okay. I know you were nervous about staying here on your own, and I'm just here to watch over you and to let you know you're fine, goodness, and there's nothing to worry about. And she's like, I want you to lay back down and go to sleep. And this calm washed over me. Like, I was like, it was so peaceful. I wasn't scared anymore of her of anything, and I did. I did exactly what she told me, like a little kid, you know, like when your parents tell you, now lay back down and go to sleep. No way. I laid back down on the couch, I rolled over, and I must have drifted off. So when daylight comes and I wake up, you're like, Did this even happen? Right, exactly. And that's the first thing I was like, Whoa, that was a really, really vivid dream. This is like, wow, that was crazy. But my hand was hurting. So I look at my hand and there's a scratch on my hand from where I hit it on the corner of that coffee table. And then I'm like, Uh oh whoa. Maybe there's more to this than what I thought. Yeah. Well, the funny thing is, is that mannequin in that Victorian room, okay? While the woman that I saw in the middle of the night was not, didn't look like that mannequin, she was, however, wearing the exact dress that the mannequin had on. No. So when I asked my grandma where that Victorian dress came from, she said she got it at an old thrift shop. It was in an old trunk, and she bought it for the purpose of putting it on this mannequin. So I'm wondering, did this dress once belong to the woman I saw that night? That's inter it very well could have been. Because she didn't look like the mannequin, but the dress was the same.

SPEAKER_03 14:46

Well, and what's interesting too that you noted that her lips weren't moving. She in my head. But that's what I find over and over and over and over again is that they don't generally speak with using their mouth and their voice box. Yeah. It's it's from brain to brain, you know, and it's like they communicate to you in that way. I find that over and over and over again.

SPEAKER_05 15:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:17

And at that age, I'm sure you wouldn't have known that.

SPEAKER_05 15:20

I would no, absolutely I didn't know that. Not at that age.

SPEAKER_03 15:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 15:23

See, I've I've been fascinated with the paranormal since before that, but I never really took an active role in it.

SPEAKER_03 15:30

Right.

SPEAKER_05 15:31

Until my later years, of course. But what got me really interested in the paranormal was when my brother brought home a paranormal book from his school library. And I think I was at in fourth grade at the time. And I remember he brought this book home, and he showed me like the first picture I seen that he showed me was uh the Brown Lady of Rain Rainham Hall. And that has stuck with me all my life. And I remember I took his book and I read that thing, and I was fascinated by all the things that I read in there about spirits and apparitions and you know, and all those things, but I never really took that active of a role until, like I said, my later years. Um, but I always had the interest. But at 16, when this event happened at my grandparents' house, I didn't know, like I had no idea that, you know, I never even thought, like, why can I hear her in my head, but her lips aren't moving? I never drew the you know the correlation to any of it at all. And I didn't know anything about it, yeah, until much, much later. Right. But it just all fit, you know. I had another incident, and this is when Josh was deployed to Iraq.

SPEAKER_04 16:43

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 16:43

Yep. I had an incident where I had moved from Minnesota. Well, we had our son, and at the time he was only three months old when I packed everything up. My mom came down and we drove from Minnesota back to Washington State. And I lived with my grandparents for maybe a month and a half, and I realized I need to get an apartment, you know, to have my own space and stuff. And so I got like a three-bedroom, two-bath apartment. And um, I remember I was worried about Josh because you hear all these stories of love courts not coming home and all the horrific things that happened. So, you know, it it kind of became, you know, and I hate to say it was routine, but it it really did kind of become routine that, you know, I would go about my day, I wouldn't give it a lot of thought. But once I was like back home and I would feed Azariah, give him a bath, you know, get his jammies on, put him in his crib, you know, I'd rock him asleep, and then I'd put him in his crib. And then at that time, I would go into my room and shut the door, and I would just cry because I was so worried I missed Josh, and I was so worried he wasn't coming home. And I would cry a lot. And I didn't have a TV or anything in my room. There was only TV out in the living room. Um, but I remember one night as I was sitting there and I was crying and worrying, and I heard a voice in my head. And it was a man's voice, and it was a very powerful voice, but it had this really kind of gentle, nurturing tone, right? That says, Don't worry, I'm gonna bring him home safe.

SPEAKER_03 18:24

Oh my goodness, how comforting.

SPEAKER_05 18:26

And I stopped crying. And it's not that I never worried or cried again, oh sure, but it wasn't the same, and it wasn't like I wasn't consumed with that because it it just stuck with me, you know, like glue, it just stuck with me to this day, and he did, he came home just fine.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

So I love hearing stories like that because it doesn't have to be all scary and and hard things, you know. There's so much good that you can have experience.

SPEAKER_05 19:00

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was amazing, actually. I'll never forget it.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

Like, both of those experiences are really yeah, really cool.

SPEAKER_05 19:08

So another one, old Montana State Prison. So this was the first time we went with uh three of my sisters and then my dad. That was so cold, it was so cold, it was 18 degrees, it was 18 degrees out, you know. It was it was very cold, it was actually kind of miserable, but um, we were in max security. Um, and that's where they used to put the women over there, and we were over there, and I remember my dad and my sister Nicole, they went into one of the jail cells that was at the very end on the left, yeah. They were sitting in there, and then Josh and the uh security lady that ran it, and her assistant Lisa and Azariah, they were up by the cage where the guard would be in. You know, it was like all fenced in. And yeah, and Josh was over there and he was doing something with the camera over there. So he was about, I'd say 20 feet away from me. Wasn't about 20 feet ish, 15 maybe. It was a ways away from me.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

It was far enough away that I didn't hear you say anything if you were talking.

SPEAKER_05 20:17

Yeah. So, and I was so cold, you know, and I got my scarf and my gloves and my coat on, and I had my hands inside my pocket, and in my hand, in my right hand, I had my flashlight. I was hanging on to it and I had my thumb on the button, but it's in my pocket. I'm standing there kind of trying to bury my face and neck down into my scarf, and I was so tired because my son I found because we took our son, he was like, what, 14? 13, 13, and he wanted to go to see what this was all about, but he was so scared. And earlier that night he'd been hanging on me, like his putting his head on my shoulder and his arm around my arm. And I felt like he just sucked my energy. So I was feeling so tired. I'm standing in the middle of the floor, and I'm like closing my eyes with my hands in my pockets, and my head's kind of tipped down towards my feet, and I feel what I thought was my husband come up to my right shoulder and kind of stand with his chest to my right shoulder. But then I get this way, are you standing? I'm standing.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

Yeah, there were no chairs. We were all standing.

SPEAKER_05 21:23

Okay, yeah. But he remember, he's like 20 feet away from me. Yeah. I didn't know this. I thought he walked over and he kind of put his chest like his chest hit my right shoulder. So you could like lean up against him. Well, no, he well, yeah, if I wanted to, but it's like he came up to my shoulder, his chest hit my shoulder. So and whoever this was was tall. Okay. And Josh was the tallest one. Yeah. I'm thinking this is my husband. I'm still like got my hands in my pocket, and I'm still got my eyes closed, and I'm, you know, got my head bent down towards my feet, you know. And I just I go, is that you? Because I got this weird feeling after like a couple. Seconds, and I'm like, is that you? And I hear man's voice goes, mm-hmm. And then all the hair stands up. And so I pull, still with my head down, I open up my eyes. I'm looking down at my feet. Can't really see my feet. I pull the flashlight that's in my right hand out of my pocket and I click it on, looking down at my feet, right? And then I move the light next to me to my right. There's nobody there. There's no other feet. I look up, I look to my right, nobody's there. Josh is still over 20 feet away from me with the tour guide and Lisa and Azariah and my dad and sister Nicole are down at the end. And I look over at Josh and I go, Was that you that was just over here? And he's like, No. And I asked everybody, nobody had moved. Nobody had came over to me. Well, and it's a cement floor. You would have heard something. I never heard footsteps approaching or leaving. I just felt like somebody's chest or touch my arm. I had no hear the a male. But when I heard the voice, when I said, Is that you? And the male goes, Mm-hmm. That's what I really like.

SPEAKER_03 23:06

The hair is just like Isn't it funny that our bodies can detect that without seeing anything?

SPEAKER_05 23:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:14

It was so weird. It's like your personal alert system.

SPEAKER_05 23:17

Oh, exactly. Your body is your best tool, honestly. But yeah, and then so I didn't believe it when Josh says no, you know, because when I asked him, he's like, No, that wasn't me. I'm like, nah. And for the longest time, I I told him, I was like, I know that was you. That had to be you. It's like, I don't know who I was trying to convince, him or myself. Probably yourself. But when he went over the footage, when he got to that part, he brought me over and he's like, Okay, I want you to look at this. And so I watched the footage, and yeah, there was nothing. It wasn't him, it wasn't anybody else. It was nothing. Could you hear you talking? I don't remember. That was years ago. That was back in when was that? That's the first time we ever investigated the old Mondana State Prison. When was that? 20 what?

SPEAKER_01 24:04

Oh my gosh. When did we go to Waverly? 2017?

SPEAKER_05 24:07

Yeah, we went to Waverly in 2017.

SPEAKER_01 24:09

It was 2017. It was December or November to 2017. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:14

November?

SPEAKER_01 24:14

Yeah, because we did Oh was freezing. We die. That was a terrible decision. Oh, it was. In weekends back to back. It was the first week in November, we did Old Montana, and then the following weekend we did Lava Hot Springs.

SPEAKER_05 24:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Both times it was 18 degrees was the warmest.

SPEAKER_05 24:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

It was single digits at Lava Hot Springs as we're doing a dowsing rod session by the by the pools.

SPEAKER_03 24:41

As you're like dowsing rods or freezing freezing to your hands. Right.

SPEAKER_05 24:46

Well, yeah, but oh Montana was neat. That's back when you could still investigate the theater that they now it's fallen apart and they won't let you in there now. But we Josh and I went in there and did the theater, and we got an EVP that sounds like the trapdoor to the gallow, because that's in there, opening, and it sounds like someone dropping, and it sounds like someone gurgling. And we we caught that EVP in there.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

It's one of the only paranormal episodes we actually have on our YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_05 25:16

Yeah, it is. And well, we also caught coming out of the theater, too. We caught an EVP too, as you and I were just casually talking.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 25:25

Coming out, I don't remember what that one said either, but it's been a pretty long day or something like that. Yeah, but we caught that one, and yeah, that was that was pretty fun though. And we've been back, what, four other times since then?

SPEAKER_01 25:35

Yeah. Every time's different, you know though, you had that experience at your grandma's house. That's not the only experience you've ever had in that house in a basement.

SPEAKER_05 25:45

Well, you're gonna have to remind me.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

The one where we were Oh no. Never mind. I remember now.

SPEAKER_05 25:50

No, you don't have to. Dude, I forgot about that one.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

That one I have never forgotten about that one. That one terrified me.

SPEAKER_05 25:58

I'm glad I did not whiz the bed down there. But yes, Josh and I we were visiting, um, and we stayed in that Victorian room down in the basement. Is that mannequin still there?

SPEAKER_04 26:10

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 26:10

Oh, it's oh to this day. It's still there.

SPEAKER_03 26:12

Same dress or two. Same dress. Was there a purpose to this mannequin?

SPEAKER_05 26:18

Yeah, my grandma wanted it just to display some of her Victorian dresses, but that's the only one that's been on it for years, decades. But Josh and I were sleeping in the bed, and now this is a full size bed, and and Josh is really tall. So, you know, it's it's he it's hard for him to fit in this bed.

SPEAKER_04 26:38

I don't fit.

SPEAKER_05 26:40

So we we sleep like you know, big spoon, little spoon. Yeah. So I'm laying on my right side, and he's spooning me like that. And on that side, on my side of the bed, on the right side of the bed, there's a sliding glass door. Now that wasn't always there. My grandparents put that in, you know, um, years later, they put that in. Um, but we were sleeping, and all of a sudden, Josh's arms like around my waist, and all of a sudden he's like, honey, honey, honey, like panicking, and he's got his arm around my waist and he's pulling me back towards him, away from the right side of the bed. He's nearly fallen off the other side of the bed, right? He's pulling me back, and I open up my eyes and I see three figures. They're all black. And it's almost like it's a family because there's a taller one, like a dad. Yeah, like a dad, then there's like a mom, then there's like a kid, right? And not a really little kid, but yeah, still you know it's a kid. Yeah. But there's you can't see anything. It's like they're silhouettes and they're all black. You can't make out any features, but you can tell it's a human figure, that they're human figures. Right. And he's like, honey, honey, so he's pulling me back, and I'm like, I see him, I see him, I see him, and they're coming towards my side of the bed. And then I like blink and they're gone. And so we get up, we turn on the lights, we're like stunned. Like, we don't know what just happened or what that was.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

And this was before we started investigating. So I was still terrified of this stuff.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

So, how did you, Josh, how did you even know they were there? What woke you up?

SPEAKER_01 28:13

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

Yeah, because he woke me up.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

I have no idea. I just opened my eyes and looked.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

Were they walking towards you when when you woke up or were they just standing there?

SPEAKER_01 28:21

No, I so from what I can remember, I caught them walking through the slider, like walking into the house.

SPEAKER_05 28:28

Right. And when he was waking me up in the panic and I opened up and I seen them, yeah, they were at the slider, but they were already through the slider and they were moving, like gliding, not like walking, but like gliding towards my second really slowly, like they weren't coming fast. Yeah, yeah. But I'm like, I see him, I see him. And then I blink, they're gone. We get up, we turn on the lights, we're trying to make sense of what the heck just happened. I think we go upstairs, we get a drink, we come back down, and we were up, I think the rest of the night mostly, and we left the lights on all night.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

We didn't sleep in the room. We actually went to the rec room, turned the lights on in the rec room, turned the TV on. Not the I don't remember the not the big TV because that no longer works. Oh, there was a small TV on top of the big TV.

SPEAKER_05 29:16

Like a 19-inch TV, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Because that that big TV weighs like 150 pounds, and no one's getting that sucker out of the house.

SPEAKER_05 29:23

No. Um I just remember we left the lights on.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

We left the lights on and we stayed there. We ended up did falling asleep sometime hours later.

SPEAKER_05 29:32

Yeah, I don't remember. Probably as the sun was coming up. Yeah, probably. We slept for a little bit down there, but well, what's really interesting about it I think that was before we had our kid, right?

SPEAKER_01 29:41

I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_05 29:42

No, we had Azariah.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

Okay, then he was little, little.

SPEAKER_05 29:45

He was very little. But yeah, because he was sleeping upstairs with his great grandma and grandpa.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

Oh, that's right. He would sleep in their room in the in the pack and play.

SPEAKER_05 29:54

Yeah. But what's interesting about this is when my mom was growing up, that used to be her room, and she had a brass bed in there. And she said when she was about 15, I think she was 15 or 16, she said she woke up and she said there were by so at her brass bed had like these balls at the foot of the bed, like on each side.

SPEAKER_03 30:18

So like bed knobs and broomsticks.

SPEAKER_05 30:20

Yeah, exactly. But they were like they're like this.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

Oh, they're big, big.

SPEAKER_05 30:24

And she said she woke up one night and there were angels that were floating kind of up by those the ball at the end of the bed, right? Each ball at the end of the bed, and but they were dressed all in black and they had black wings, and they were telling her that it was time for her to go. And she says, I remember like floating up a little bit and then saying, No, I'm not going. This isn't my time, I'm not going. What? So it makes me wonder like, is there any correlation to those two things? The same room, different experiences, of course, but my mom had had an experience in that room.

SPEAKER_03 31:13

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 31:14

That's just was creepy in itself.

SPEAKER_03 31:16

Well, what's interesting is that they're black.

SPEAKER_05 31:20

Well, and that's why she said she told them, No, I'm not going. It's not my time, I'm not going.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Well, and then the family that you guys saw.

SPEAKER_05 31:29

Well, we think is a family, we don't know.

SPEAKER_03 31:32

Right. But that's kind of the vibe. We'll just call them family. The family that you saw was black.

SPEAKER_05 31:39

But I couldn't see any features.

SPEAKER_01 31:41

But it was dark, so like it's catching a shadow in the dark, which is still weird when you think about it.

SPEAKER_03 31:48

You know, like when you've experienced this enough, there's black and then there's black.

SPEAKER_05 31:55

Right. There's a difference. There's a difference.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

Yeah. And you think that you're in pitch black, but you're not.

SPEAKER_05 32:03

No, because whatever these were, they were blacker than pitch black.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 32:07

Because I could make them out very clearly as far as the silhouette.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

And it always makes me wonder, like, why? Why are there some that we see that are full of color that look completely normal? Yeah. And why are some silhouettes?

SPEAKER_05 32:25

That's a great question.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

And why are some only balls? You know, orbs.

SPEAKER_03 32:32

It's like, I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

Orb, you know, orbs, balls.

SPEAKER_03 32:37

Yes. But it makes me wonder if it's like the people that we see that are full color and full human like, if they're the ones that have crossed over, right? Right. And the ones that are all in black have not.

SPEAKER_05 32:57

Right. Good question.

SPEAKER_03 32:58

But I'd have no idea. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. Like I I mean, that's the best sense that I can make of it. Yeah. Right? But who knows? Soon. Who really knows?

SPEAKER_05 33:08

Yeah, there's so I I think until it's our time, we're not gonna know because you're not meant to.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

It's just it's a guessing game.

SPEAKER_05 33:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:15

You can try to put puzzle pieces together, but you'll never have the full puzzle. No, no, you'll always be missing. I don't care how good you are. I don't care how good of a medium you are or whatever. You think you might have all the puzzle pieces, but you don't.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

You don't.

SPEAKER_03 33:28

You don't.

SPEAKER_05 33:29

You're not meant to at that point.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

And more than likely, you only have like six.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

It's a thousand piece puzzle, and you probably have six. Yeah. Well, I mean, that does make sense.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

You got the easiest six, like the you know, that big face that's always the that's in the center of the puzzle. You got that.

SPEAKER_05 33:46

But that's all you got.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Like, I got so much. Like you we don't know what we don't even know.

SPEAKER_05 33:52

Yeah, well, exactly. But yeah, I've always I've always been fascinated, and there's always there is a draw to the paranormal.

SPEAKER_03 33:59

It's the unknown for sure.

SPEAKER_05 34:00

It's it's very much the mystery behind it, the how, the what, the who.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

And you want to solve the puzzle?

SPEAKER_05 34:08

Yeah, and you and I think that, you know, like Josh was really apprehensive. I mean, our first place that he and I went was Waverly. This was no small place to investigate. This was a well-known, well, you know, documented, documented uh for its haunted huge place, huge building. And this that was his first experience. I convinced him to go. And we flew to Kentucky, and he was nervous going in, but me, I I'm looking at this building, like, get out of my way, let me in. Right, you know, and I remember as we were standing there dividing into groups. Um, I looked up and I saw somebody looking out one of the windows. And when I looked at them, they like whipped their head back.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

Like, oh crap, you saw me.

SPEAKER_05 35:01

Yeah. And I was so excited to get in there, and we had some great experiences in there.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

What else happened there?

SPEAKER_05 35:07

Well, let's see. One of the things that happened there was, of course, everybody knows about Nurse Mary up on the fifth floor.

SPEAKER_04 35:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 35:15

So we were actually up on what floor were we on at that time, though, when we got that EVP? That really good one. Was that four or was that five? So we were up on five, and my dad's side of the family, most of them really love the paranormal, and they were so excited that Josh and I were getting to go and do this big venue. And so I had promised them I would Facebook Live, and so that's what I did. And Josh and I were in this one room, and I kind of walked off, and you on the recording, you can hear me in the background talking on Facebook Live to my family. Um, and Josh is kind of just sitting along one of the walls, and he's got a digital recorder, and of course, we didn't hear it at the time, you know, because typically you don't. But when we got back to the hotel early that morning, that next morning, he was listening and he heard this woman's voice come over the digital recorder, and it says, I love the way you love each other. And she says a whole nother sentence, but we just we can only make out the words turning into, and we have tried to make out what that second sentence is, we still have not been able to figure that out at all. But that was like a class A EVP, it's probably my favorite one to date still.

SPEAKER_03 36:42

Well, again, it's a good positive EVP, yeah, and it's intelligent, it's talking to you and acknowledging you as a couple. Yeah. Because, I mean, like quick recap the the story goes is that she had a pre she got pregnant by a doctor.

SPEAKER_05 37:07

Yeah, they think by one of the surgeons.

SPEAKER_03 37:09

And it was a botched abortion and she died.

SPEAKER_05 37:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:16

And because he didn't want her to have the baby, because I think it wasn't affair.

SPEAKER_05 37:20

And it probably wasn't affair, and back then, you know, it was very much frowned upon if you got pregnant out of wedlock. Of wedlock. Yeah. And that was her very situation. And he rejected her. He didn't, like, even though she was pregnant, he totally rejected her. And I think part of her, because they say she committed suicide, but there's a story that they think it was a botched abortion, and then they staged it to make it look like she'd hung herself, but that there was blood on her abdomen and everything, right? That would suggest not. But um, there's different variations to that story. But I I think ultimately I think she wanted to be loved. I think she wanted that relationship and you know, maybe to get married and you know, and then have the kid and have a family and all that. And so the feeling I got from it when I heard uh I was really excited at the CVP, but at the same time there was this heaviness and sadness to it because I felt like this is what she wanted, and she's looking at the relationship that Josh and I have and was saying, I love the way you love each other, you know.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

And wish that she could have had that.

SPEAKER_05 38:28

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

You had another experience up on the on five, too.

SPEAKER_05 38:32

Yeah, so on five, so there's a part uh up on five where it's almost like a greenhouse, like windows.

SPEAKER_01 38:39

It's called the critical care wing.

SPEAKER_05 38:41

Yeah. But on each side of this uh like glass box, I'm gonna call it, there is just the rooftop.

SPEAKER_04 38:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 38:50

And now is the rooftop glass? No. On each side of this glass thing, uh, it's just open roof. Okay. So you can just walk around up there and so we were over there, and I had I had looked down to my right on the roof, and I saw what looked like little kid legs running from left to right across that part of the roof. But they were only from the knee down. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, so the knee down pair of legs, and they were little legs, so obviously I think it's a kid. Right. But yeah, from left to right, they just ran across the roof.

SPEAKER_03 39:29

Oh my gosh, how cool.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

Which makes sense because if you ever see pictures of Waverly, there are pictures of that rooftop. Now it's the other side, mind you, but there are pictures of that rooftop, and there's a playground up there.

SPEAKER_05 39:42

There was a thing set.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

That's where the little kids played. The little kids stayed up there.

SPEAKER_05 39:47

So it made total sense. Yeah. We also had like a little, I think it was the flashlight, and you were asking them to move the flashlight, and you get this little kid voice that says, No, like, I'm not gonna do that. Don't be ridiculous, yeah. Yeah. So, and you know, we asked questions like, what do you miss? Do you miss your toys up here? Do you miss your swing set? And we got a EVP that said yes. Um, so yeah, I mean, there's so many good experiences, and it just honestly, when you go out, for those of you out there that maybe watch this stuff on TV or YouTube and you listen to these podcasts and and things, you know, it's one thing to do that and to be sucked in that way. But if you ever go out and you do it on your own and you come out with like, you know, and you come out with an EVP on your digital, I mean, it really sucks you in, and it's like, that is so fascinating, that's so cool. I want more, I want to find out more, I want to experience more.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Yes, but go for the positive, stay away from the dark, and don't don't um antagonize or yeah, encourage that kind of behavior.

SPEAKER_05 41:08

That's right. So don't pay attention to those shows that where it's always dark and demonic, and don't don't mess with that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

You'd be surprised how much good there is out there.

SPEAKER_05 41:18

There's a lot of good.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

I would say most of the stuff that we deal with now are good.

SPEAKER_05 41:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

Are I I don't want to say they're like super happy spirits, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05 41:28

But no, sometimes you get one that's a little crotchety and honry.

SPEAKER_03 41:31

But they were crotchety and honry in life. In life, yeah, and they just kind of have a crappy attitude, right? And but they're not evil, but it's not evil. There's a difference, huge difference.

SPEAKER_05 41:41

But yeah, when you get out there, and you know, my best suggestion is is go on a public one.

SPEAKER_03 41:46

Yep, that's how I started.

SPEAKER_05 41:47

Yeah, us too. Just go with a reputable group, you know, that doesn't let you, you know, antagonize spirits that doesn't allow you to be disrespectful to them.

SPEAKER_04 41:59

Pay were you yep.

SPEAKER_05 42:02

There was there was they were people once too. Yep. So you need to have that respect.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

And so what would you say was your defining moment in like I want to do this long term? Like I wanna con I want to do this and create a group, like it was Waverly, if I'm being honest.

SPEAKER_05 42:20

So that night we were like the last ones to walk out. We walked out with Steve Gonzals from Ghost Hunters, and you know, we got in our rental car after we said our goodbyes and stuff, and we got in our rental car, and I just looked at Josh and I said, Why can't we start a group? Like, why not? And it was then that we decided, okay, let's start a group, and we did.

SPEAKER_03 42:42

And you haven't looked back?

SPEAKER_05 42:43

We haven't looked back since.

SPEAKER_03 42:45

Nope.

SPEAKER_05 42:45

No. This year's been a little bit of a quiet year for us.

SPEAKER_03 42:50

It has been.

SPEAKER_05 42:51

But we have some good plans for next year.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

So we've already got things brewing.

SPEAKER_05 42:55

We already got things in the works.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

So, what would you say was your most exciting moment investigating? And you can't use Waverly again. It was it's amazing. Exciting. So exciting we decided to go back a second time because we figured out the price that we paid for the tickets to go and the airline fees and everything else. Rental car to go to Waverly one time with a group was cheaper or is was more expensive than renting it out ourselves and driving. So we went back and did it again.

SPEAKER_05 43:34

Yeah. In 2019.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 43:36

And there was only six of us in that whole building. That was awesome. So freaking jealous. That was so awesome. Okay, so I think my most exciting I think was the first time we caught anything on video visually.

SPEAKER_04 43:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 43:52

So that was Asylum 49. That was Asylum 49. Uh, we went there, we went through a think Grim.

SPEAKER_01 44:01

Yeah, it was a Grim hunt.

SPEAKER_05 44:02

Um we so they had they use it as like a haunted house in the fall and stuff. So it was decorated for that. And we could only go well I think we had run of the whole place that time.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

The whole place because if if you guys remember and and watch Ghost Adventures when Ghost Adventures went there, it was a haunted house on half of it. Right, but uh but it was an old folks home on the other half.

SPEAKER_03 44:32

Which is horrible. That is horrible. Can we just talk about how horrible that decision is it's bad. It was so bad. There's old people ending their lives and you're on the other side.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

Scaring people with dead people?

SPEAKER_05 44:47

Yeah yeah like it's kind of messed up.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

It's a little morbid.

SPEAKER_03 44:51

It's really kind of beyond my scope on that I bet those people in the old folks home were probably tormented by spirits from all of the crap that was going on on the other side. You know I wouldn't doubt it's very possible. I don't see how it couldn't. Yeah exactly.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

You know what's interesting though I'll say this is one of my old co-workers was born in that hospital. Yeah really when it was Twilla County Hospital. He was born in that hospital.

SPEAKER_03 45:15

That's interesting. So I have family in Twilight so it makes me wonder.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:19

Never know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 45:20

Anyway, continue. But we went there with Grimgo's tours and the night was kind of winding down at that point. And they had it all decorated for the whole haunted house thing. We went in this room that was called the Egyptian room. And it was the first time they decorated on this side the building and on the floor in this room was like two plus inches of actual sand. Oh okay so and the reason I'm going to tell you that is because anytime you moved or took a step you would really hear it because of the sand. Yeah like it was so obvious. Yes. So we kind of were in there there was a couple other people in there at the time we waited for them to kind of leave and they left and it got really quiet in that area that we were in. Which is what you want which is exactly what we wanted and we're waiting there and there's like this plexiglass box on top of this table and in it they have some items.

SPEAKER_04 46:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 46:16

Um we set our black light flashlight on the table on top of the plexiglass piece and then we put a digital recorder at the other end and then to the side of that we had a K2 meter set up. And then I'm standing with my right arm by this table with this box on it and I got my rods in my hand. You can't see me on the video because I am wearing all black and I am out of the light of the black light that's on the table.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

Mainly because the black light is facing right at the camera. This was great cinematography.

SPEAKER_05 46:51

Yeah this was that was all Josh. But anyways I've gotten better since then and the sound's messed up too but anyways I'm standing there with the rods and you know at the time I didn't know anything had happened at all. I had a weird feeling because obviously my back it's dark and my back there's like a big space behind me. So you know it's dark you're naturally thinking you get that kind of creepy feeling like somebody's behind me right so I figured that's all normal you know no big deal. And Josh asks a question and well he's talking he's like you know oh I'm so and so and you know there's a digital recorder right there on the table. And as he says that on the video you see the K2 spike and as it spikes you see this long creepy skinny finger with a sharp nail on it come down and point right at the digital recorder.

SPEAKER_01 47:51

That's just the whole hand with the finger extended.

SPEAKER_05 47:53

Right but the finger's extended but it comes down and it points at that digital recorder and then it goes back up out of frame. And then I don't I don't remember what you say after that because the audio on this thing wasn't good.

SPEAKER_01 48:06

I didn't I I I was just letting them know that they could talk into the thing with the red light on it.

SPEAKER_05 48:10

Right and that's when it pointed to the red light and then it goes out of frame but then like a couple seconds later you see that K2 meter peg red again and then as it pegs red you see this hand and this is a huge hand and it's only got three fingers three long fingers. It's like an alien hand. It's like an alien hand and it's you know and it comes up what would be my right side my rib cage and it's like it comes up my right side it rubs and then it like cups what would be my breast nope and it goes back down out of frame. Now I had no idea I didn't feel any of that and you were holding your dowsing rods I was holding my dowsing rods in my hand so you know it's not my hand and I mean we had no idea and after that night a few nights later Josh was going over the video he comes and gets me and he's like you got to come look at this so I come look at it and he shows me and I'm like blown away like it's creepy and amazing all at once right and I'm like no way so I'm like I need to get a better look at this so we move it out to the living room and hook his computer into it so we can put it on a big screen. Yeah right and so we watch a saying over and over and then we start like pausing it just as it comes into frame and you see just how long and skinny that one finger is when it pointed to the digital recorder. It's really long you can see the knuckles and you can see the fingernail and it has a point at the end of the fingernail. And this is a long finger like there is no denying that this is a long finger and this is not normal. And then we'd pause it you know when you see the whole hand with just three fingers come up and you can just see every long gross wicked looking finger but we went over this like I don't know how many times we watched it because we were trying to figure out any explanation for this. Oh right like anything like we heard nobody because like I said there was sand all over the floor it's like if you put cornmeal on the floor and you walk through it you can hear it.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Oh yeah like there's no crunchy sound you're gonna hear somebody coming or going but nobody was even down that area where we were at not at that time not at that time there was like nobody we heard no other people we heard no crunching in that room going through the sand it was just us but yeah like that is probably the best we've ever caught like like visually isn't that interesting too because it's like the not a great placement of video no uh not a great placement of light no and one of the first times like you record something with the camera it was a very this was our second ever investigation. So the very first investigation we went on as a team was Fort Douglas with Wisps Advanced Paranormal at the time. Advanced Paranormal yeah and we were there and we had just a digital recorder and that was it and that was it. And so the second one I'm like I want to some video cameras so I actually talked to my work and they gave me two action cameras yeah they're like GoPros. Yeah that I converted into full spectrum cameras yeah how cool which I still have today I never use them anymore because they're garbage.

SPEAKER_05 51:42

Yeah well they worked really good for what we needed it for sure did right and I I'm still blown away at that footage like every now and again I'll go back I'll go on our YouTube thing and I'll pull that up and I'll watch it because it's fascinating to me. Like it's creepy because whatever this is I don't think it's human. There's no way it's human three long gross fingers come on with big knuckles and and nails that's not human you know but whatever it is I think it was very tall.

SPEAKER_03 52:09

Yeah see and that's what like if you listen to the podcast before this with my story it's things like that that I saw when I was young coming at me down the hall.

unknown 52:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:23

And you know and while I'm fascinated with the hand I am actually really glad that we didn't get to see a face. Oh yeah because that probably at the time especially because we were still very new to it um I would have that would have might have been enough for me to go no I don't like dealing with the dark and the evil we do run across it from time to time but mostly what we deal with are pretty positive and and right you know on the lighter side of things.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Do you remember what happened during the tour that tour?

SPEAKER_05 53:01

You're gonna have to refresh my mind because that was that was a few years ago.

SPEAKER_01 53:04

It was a little while ago yeah but we were down um where the shadow walks across the door is that when he did the like demonstration of it that was after that that was after the dowsing rod or no sorry that was yeah it was after the dowsing rod demonstration oh is that when the thing whispered in my ear yes we were stand standing next to each other right next to each other yeah like almost shoulder to shoulder I don't remember what it said though I just remember yeah I don't remember what it said.

SPEAKER_05 53:36

I don't either well that was a great story.

SPEAKER_01 53:38

Yeah right I went nowhere but the thing that the thing that's amazing about it is that we were actually shoulder to shoulder. And you didn't hear it and she did and and it was in the ear that was next to me. And so and then I didn't hear a thing. Yeah that's so wild but I did get whispered in that this one of the reasons why we went back to that room and we got that video is one they had experiences in that room where they were getting hand prints from inside that plexiglass that plexiglass box.

SPEAKER_05 54:09

Oh and sound like someone like beating on it like trying to get out they said they would hear that a lot and when they go look at it there'd be like hand prints on the inside. So of course you know we're gonna go check it out right yeah that's what kind of prompted us to go in there and then wait for other people to leave and then kind of try our own thing in there.

SPEAKER_01 54:29

But I did have one little experience next to that box on our way out. I was the last person out of the room and there's this little cubby hole enough for someone to stand in essentially and as we're walking by that cubby hole on the way out I'm the last person out. I get a whisper in my ear on that side this is see you soon.

SPEAKER_05 54:47

Yeah you're like okay that's cool we'll be back yeah we also went in the room with they call it the nun room because they had like that scary nun in there figure in there um as a prop. But it was reported that there was a I think a little girl in there and that she loves Skittles. They said if you put them on the table if you sit at the table and you put them on the table and you squish them with your thumb you know she'll come by she'll smell them and come by and and so I happen because I'm diabetic I always carry little things of candy and I happen to have a bag of Skittles. Perfect and so I pulled them out we put some on the table and squished them and we were doing an E VP session and I was asking her, you know, do you like Skittles? And I go what's your favorite and I go is it the red one and you hear what sounds like this little girl's voice come over the digital and she goes maybe you know so that was really cool when we listened to that we caught that one too.

SPEAKER_01 55:45

And you went through every color of the rainbow and there were I did but there was no answer.

SPEAKER_05 55:48

Only on the red one was there a response so I love moments like that too.

SPEAKER_03 55:52

They're my smoothest show ghosts because they like to smell food.

SPEAKER_05 55:56

So every time every time he makes dinner they're all like surrounded him and they're like oh this smells so good what does it taste like make a frozen pizza no but we've had lots lots of experiences and yeah yeah what has been your number one place to investigate here in Utah in Utah or in the western part of the United States aka not aka but not Waverly not Waverly I know I know um because the thing is is once you investigate there it's your favorite everything how can you not say Waverly you know one that really kind of creeped me out uh was actually gooding yeah that one was it got a little intense I want to go back though me too I really want to go back I feel like we kind of missed out on some stuff but the experiences we had there were really good um well we had some incident and it seemed to ramp things up ramp things up and call in everything that was not good in the entire area in the entire area it's like they all it's like this you know Morris code went out and they all just filtered in and they it found it felt like they were surrounding everything.

SPEAKER_03 57:16

Oh yeah because they were in we were basically in a circle yeah and we're in this long room that it's like you have like a living room a dining room and a kitchen all combined yeah on a huge floor plan. Yes so it's not they're not small rooms so it's a big giant room all in one.

SPEAKER_05 57:41

Yeah and it just when when this incident happened um it's like they all it's like this just this beckoning called them all in all these nasty things and they surrounded us and you you could feel it and you could feel it come closer and closer and I had my eyes wide and she did she got up and they were closing the curtains because she's like they're in here they're surrounding us they're out there they're looking through the windows so she got up and she was like trying to close the curtains that were and I I was like like we need to push these back yeah this we need this is we need to pray we need to say a prayer we need to um but I remember Elisa had to go to the bathroom so bad. She was like her yeah she had to go so bad like she was bursting and Josh and I are sitting on the couches by one of the doors which we had closed that leads out into the hallway and then across the hallway is the rooms and Elisa's like I really gotta go she gets up she walks around Josh and I she goes to the door she opens the door and the minute she takes a step out there is a audible growl growl like it was not subtle josh and I heard it because we're sitting right there on the couch by the door and of course Lisa heard it because it was probably right in her face it was right in my ear like right in my ear like right in front of me and I turned around like Nope stepped right back in I think we're lucky she didn't go right there I know right I could have like totally pooed my pants well that's done she had one in the chamber folks you know but I mean that was intense it was very intense but after we all like said the prayer and stuff it really it did lifted and you could feel it lift up and off but that night one of the rooms that Josh and I were staying at was one of the rooms that's supposed to be active right you know as far as spirit activity um we were laying down to go to bed and he was like facing the window and I'm you know so basically we're like butt to butt basically because I'm facing the door and on my side and I kind of got the covers pulled up like over my nose. So my eyes my forehead are out but the rest of me is like snuggled in and we have like a heater in the room that's going you know and so the room was getting toasty and I'm like starting to drift off and I got my eyes closed and I feel what feels like an Arctic breeze blowing in my face like out of nowhere. Like I'm not facing a window there's no wind outside even like we have the heater going but this is like someone came up and blew in my face like ice cold air and I open my eyes I'm looking around there's nothing there. Like I see no one Josh is facing the other way his butt's towards me and I roll over and I'm like someone just blew cold air in my face he's half asleep and he's like oh that's cool you know so he didn't even really register any of it at all. So I'm like okay whatever I was excited about it. But I eventually fell asleep and when we woke up and I get up and I go in the bathroom to take a shower and when I come out he's like you know I was laying here and he's like I'm just kind of laying here with my eyes closed and he's like and somebody blew cold air in my face you're like really did that happen to you imagine how that would work I'm like you don't say but yeah good ain't is is probably that that one's a good one for me even though there was that dark I think it's just everything that happened you know just it really kind of sh shows you when you experience something like that it shows you how quickly it can turn kind of sour when invited when invited it was not invited by us but I think I just believe that because of what transpired within our team at that time I think that they viewed us as targets. Oh for sure and so it was like a beacon we were it wasn't like a little beacon we were like it was like a giant giant like everybody come here like giant spotlight yep just you know and but it also shows that you know as a team we you know kind of stopped and did what we needed to do to push it back.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:29

And that just shows you the power yes of the human body that's right you have a say you have a voice and the how powerful you are that's right over the negative that's right yeah and to never forget that yeah so when you do encounter things like that realize how powerful you are and use that to your advantage exactly silly watch so what would be your one dream investigation location oh yeah well like like any of you sitting around here it that's hard that's hard because there's so many right I think one if I have to say here in the US anywhere it can be anywhere.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:17

I want to go to Gettysburg then then I want to go and I want to do like multiple nights yeah I don't want to do one I want to do at least two plus and I really want to investigate the crap out of that place.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:32

That'd be a lot of fun well like even just sitting there well and they let you yeah like it's um so I just got back a few weeks ago and they allow for 30 minutes after dark for people to go and investigate. That's awesome. 30 minutes 30 minutes after dark but that just kind of tells you how prevalent like ghost hunting is out there because in general you go anywhere and like all the parks yeah you can't go to after dark. Oh yeah they close them or a specific time they'll close it but this but in Gettysburg you have 30 minutes yeah after dark.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:11

I mean they're acknowledging the fact that people are interested yeah but I'm not talking about just at night oh I you I'm talking about day time well and and they have like there are several people who have had paranormal experiences at Gettysburg in the broad daylight.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:28

Oh yeah so oh well me my friend and I when we went and investigated there like I shouldn't say investigated but we walked around and did our own thing on the first day and we're like let's just sit here and see what we find, see what we come up with. Because we're both sensitive to that stuff right and did we get stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:49

And it was cool because we would see things like in our heads right and then all of a sudden we'd both talk about it at the exact same time and say the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:58

That's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:58

Like it was really fun. That's so fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:01

But I mean one thing about investigating is you do sit there a lot and I know that you know for a lot of people and it is it is kind of boring I'm not gonna lie but at the same time you have to have patience. You really do you know you can't expect to go in a place and then have if you know have a ton of stuff going on it's not a TV show. You got to forget you you can't forget you got to remember that on these TV shows they like they're investigating for like eight hours. Well they actually do it over multiple nights and then they have to edit and then that gets edited down so in a lot of episodes when you see a lot going on that you got to remember that's not all in one night typically not typically but even the most even the most active places we've been and we've had there are times we've had a lot of activity.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:55

Yeah but that's still over the course of eight twelve hours.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:59

Oh yeah

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

And you're like, and you get done, you're like, whoa, that was a long night.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:03

Yeah, we've we've pulled all nighters.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

But yeah, you you get, you know, 20. 20 is a great night. You get usually five or six things that happen. If you're super lucky.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:15

Right.

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SPEAKER_04 1:06:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:26

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