Paranormal Peeps
Paranormal Peeps
A Mountain, A Myth, And The People Who May Still Live Beneath It
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A volcano can be measured by seismographs; a legend needs a different kind of instrument. We head to Mount Shasta, the California peak that has inspired a century of reports about Lemurians, hidden cities, lenticular “cloaks,” and startling disappearances—and we ask what holds up when the fog of myth lifts.
We start with the bold map laid down by researcher Wishar S. Survey, who argued that an ancient continent called Lemuria (Mu) shattered under colossal forces, leaving Mount Shasta as a final sanctuary for survivors. From there, we track the threads: early channelers describing polished halls and giant-cut tunnels, 1930s accounts of tall robed patrons buying sulfur and salt with oversized gold nuggets, and the enduring tale of prospector JC Brown, who claimed to find an 11‑mile passage to an underground city, only to vanish before leading an expedition back.
The mystery gains its edge in the open air. We revisit the baffling disappearance of marathoner Carl Landers between two visible points on a bright snowfield, and the “Missing Boy” who reappeared miles away with a calm story of “others” in a room of light. Then we press into the practices of modern seekers: requesting permission at Bunny Flat, watching for lenticular clouds, maintaining silence at supposed portals, and treating crystal grooves as “barcodes” for a library of light. Skeptical? So are we—so we bring geology, EMF, and the psychology of high-altitude perception into the conversation to explore how energy, environment, and expectation interact on a mountain famous for missing time.
By the end, Shasta stands as more than a stage for giants and gold. It’s a mirror that reflects what we bring: faith, curiosity, doubt, and the need to make sense of the unexplainable. Whether you file Telos under folklore or frontier, you’ll leave with sharper questions—and a new respect for how a single peak can organize a century of wonder.
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Welcome And Mount Shasta Tease
SPEAKER_04Between the realm of the dead and the journeys of the living, join Josh, Jamie, and Elisa as they delve into the vast world of the paranormal and breathe life back into the history of the departed.
SPEAKER_02Hey everyone, welcome back to the Paranormal Peeps podcast. I'm Elisa. I'm Jamie.
SPEAKER_00And I'm Josh.
SPEAKER_02Now, what do we get to talk about today, Josh?
SPEAKER_00We are going to Mount Shasta. Ooh. It's where they make Shasta Cola.
SPEAKER_02I knew it. That's what I thought.
SPEAKER_04You go to the top and you dive in this little hole and you're just swimming in soda.
SPEAKER_00Yep. Exactly what happens.
SPEAKER_02Unflavored soda, but then you gotta add your flavorings. So where do we get the flavorings?
SPEAKER_00Who's ever in it?
SPEAKER_04Oh gross. So gross. Okay, I'm out.
SPEAKER_00You don't want to know how they make grape.
Legends Of Lemuria And Telos
SPEAKER_04No. I'm good.
SPEAKER_00High above the California tree line, where the air grows thin and the clouds take the shape of silver discs, stands a mountain that shouldn't be there. To geologists, Mount Shasta is a dormant volcano. To others, it's a fortress.
SPEAKER_04Fortress. Dun dun dun.
SPEAKER_00For over a century, hikers, miners, and spiritual seekers have returned from these slopes with stories that defy the laws of physics. They speak of seven-foot-tall figures in shimmering white robes, the smell of ozone, and hidden entrances that vanish as quickly as they appear.
SPEAKER_02What does ozone smell like? Ozone.
SPEAKER_00If you've ever like had like a really um high voltage electrical shock happen near you, that's the smell of ozone in the air after that, after the shock happens.
SPEAKER_04So I think a lot of people wouldn't know what it smells like.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no clue.
SPEAKER_00So are these survivors of the sunken continent of Lemuria guarding the crystal city of Telos? Or is this mountain simply a mirror for the mysteries we carry inside?
SPEAKER_02Where are you taking us, Josh? Wild ride.
SPEAKER_00Wild ride. Today we're going deep beneath the snow caps. From the gold nugget toting strangers of the 1930s to modern day astral travelers, we are exploring the strange, the tall, and the legendary. We're looking for the Lemurians of Mount Shasta.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so I've heard I've heard of this ancient civilization before. So is it like the Yetis of It's like an ancient people with like mystical abilities? Abilities. Yeah. Huh.
SPEAKER_00So we're it's believed that they existed around 4.5 million BC to 120,000 BC. So old. Predates all the rest of humanity.
SPEAKER_02They were alive during the dinosaurs.
SPEAKER_00They were the dinosaurs.
SPEAKER_04Wouldn't they be taller than seven feet then?
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_04But we've been by Mount Shasta. We've never gone to Mount Shasta.
SPEAKER_00We have not. We've been around all sides of it.
SPEAKER_04All sides of it, yeah. And uh the first time we seen it, it was a beautiful, clear day, sunny, no clouds in the sky, and it was striking. I'm sure. Like it's massive, but it was very striking. In fact, I think I still have some pictures of it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. We were we we stopped over in the town and we're like, oh, let's take pictures of the mountain.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Yeah. It's impressive.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04For sure.
Survey’s Lost Continent Theory
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. So this legend begins in 1931 with a man by the name of Wishar S. Cervey.
SPEAKER_02Wishar? Where is he from?
SPEAKER_00I don't know. More than likely.
SPEAKER_02It's like a fancy name.
SPEAKER_00Well, given the the uh accent over the E, it looks probably like France or Spain. So I probably more than likely I just mashed his name.
SPEAKER_02That's kick, we're all good at that.
SPEAKER_00So he's a researcher who spent a decade scouring ancient manuscripts, and he released a book that would rewrite human history. It was called Lemuria, the Lost Continent of the Pacific. Now, survey didn't just claim that a continent was lost, he claimed that we were born there.
SPEAKER_02Wait, what?
SPEAKER_00Yep. His research suggests that 200,000 years ago, our maps were unrecognizable. Asia, Africa, and the Americas were fused into a single marshy landmass.
SPEAKER_02In Gangia?
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02Okay.
SPEAKER_00At the heart of all of it was Lemuria, also known as Mu.
SPEAKER_02Moo?
SPEAKER_00Moo. A prehistoric Garden of Eden where human civilization began. But the earth began to move. Magnetic waves surged from east to west, tearing the world apart. As the land masses drifted, the American continent moved westbound, colliding with the mountainous eastern coast of Lemuria. The rest of the continent vanished beneath the Pacific waves, leaving only its highest peaks as refuge. According to survey, Mount Shasta wasn't just a volcano, it was the last sanctuary for the survivors. Today, the states of Washington, Oregon, and California are the only fragments of that ancient coast still above water. So we'll look into the manuscripts, the maps, and the magnetic shifts that say we're all children of the Lemurian race.
SPEAKER_02That's an interesting take.
SPEAKER_00Wasn't it?
SPEAKER_02Never heard of this one before.
SPEAKER_04No. I mean I've I've heard bits and pieces, but Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's definitely interesting.
SPEAKER_04Well, I'd I'd be interested in hearing how he figures all of this. Like what makes him think. What's his reasoning behind it? That brought him to this conclusion.
SPEAKER_00All of those lovely bits and pieces are all in his book, which you can still get. It's op it's actually uh open available. So like you can just go download it and read it.
SPEAKER_04Huh. Interesting.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But yeah, that would be uh I think it'd be an interesting read for sure. Um so is the Pacific hiding a graveyard of giants?
SPEAKER_02I do think that there were giants. I do too. I do believe in that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah. There was there's been a lot of conversation in multiple different societies that talk about giants.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And so it's not hard to see that there were something there's something to it. The end of Lemuria didn't come with a whisper. It came with a roar that tore the sky in two. A hundred and fifty thousand years ago, the cradle of humanity, the continent of Mu began its final descent into the abyss. According to Washar, the destruction of Lemuria wasn't just a flood, it was a global reconfiguration. Tremendous magnetic waves began to move Earth from east to west with a force that nobody can imagine. The ground beneath was liquefying as the continents tr themselves began to drift like ice in a storm.
Records, Crystals, And Psychic Access
SPEAKER_02So this is basically Moses and the flood.
SPEAKER_00Or what we would consider the tectonic plates shifting.
SPEAKER_02Well, I think a lot of people believe obviously everybody has different beliefs, but a lot of people believe that like in Moses' time. Or Noah? Noah Noah. Not Moses. I'm like, hold on, that sounds wrong. Noah in the Ark that that's when all this happened too.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So this is like a different take on it.
SPEAKER_00Yep, exactly.
SPEAKER_02On how it happened.
SPEAKER_00The landmass connecting Asia and Africa sank beneath the waves. Europe rose from the depths, dripping with the salt of a new era, and as the American continent drifted westbound, slamming into the western coast of Lemuria, a final violent collision of the worlds. A majority of Lemuria vanished, swallowed by the Pacific in a cataclysm that erased cities, records, and millions of lives. But as the water rose, the survivors looked to the only thing left standing, the high mountainous peaks of the eastern coast. They looked to Mount Shasta. The Chinamism didn't just change the map, it changed us. Survey tells us that the environment and the climate of this new broken world forced the survivors to adapt, changing their habits, their nature, and their very appearance. We're talking about the sinking of continents and the giant survivors, but how do we know any of this? According to Wishar, the Lumurians weren't just the survivors, they were also the world's first and most meticulous librarians.
SPEAKER_02So do they keep their stuff in Mount Chasta?
SPEAKER_00Yeah. In the city of Telos. So he claims that he spent ten years immersed in a secret archive, thousands of ancient manuscripts and crude maps amassed by the Oriental Literature Syndicate. He wasn't looking at history books as we know them. He was looking at the detailed records, the tabulated facts of a race that believed every event, every scientific discovery, and every spiritual law needed to be etched in the memory of the world. But what did these records look like? Some believe they weren't just written on paper. In the high vibration lore of Telos, the Lemurians are said to have used light language and crystalline storage. So, like using crystals to store the information.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_00Have you ever seen a Lemurian seed crystal? Those strange horizontal grooves along the sides. Believers call them barcodes. Etched memory strips encoded with the spiritual teachings of history of a civilization that knew its time was running out.
SPEAKER_02So how do you access?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I was gonna say, so if that's where the barcodes are in these crystals, how do you extract the information?
SPEAKER_00So there is a belief that you access all of this through psychic energy and through like astral projection and telepathy.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah, because you know we all can just do that. Yes.
SPEAKER_02I mean, I can. I don't know about you guys, but well, I'm out.
SPEAKER_00Just gonna yeah, it's here's the very interesting fact to it is that there is still a group of individuals that believe um that they are even to this day are in communication with the Lemurians that live under Mount Shasta and that they have their own like hierarchical um religious um alignment with them.
SPEAKER_04Okay, so if they believe they are in communication, yes, they don't know, they just believe they are, and what sort of things make them believe that they are?
SPEAKER_00We'll get to some of that.
SPEAKER_04Ah, I can wait.
SPEAKER_00I know, I know, right?
SPEAKER_04I got so many questions.
SPEAKER_00There's I will tell you this. During my time looking into all of this, I came up with way more questions than answers to any of this.
Early Channelers And Reddish Lights
SPEAKER_02See, and that's what makes it hard for me to wrap my brain around something like this, is if I can't get my questions answered or any of them answered. Yeah. Or if it's all psychically done, then it's like Yeah.
SPEAKER_00No, I get it.
SPEAKER_04It's harder to follow or put any stock into something like this when you have when researching it just brings up more questions, but no answers.
SPEAKER_00Well, and and but that's I think that's always the challenge with some of these pieces, right? Even kind of looking into the paranormal stuff, a lot of times we end up with a lot of questions.
SPEAKER_02Of course. Oh, absolutely, and it's very true. Like I come back with a lot more questions than I do answers, that's for sure.
SPEAKER_04But it's you know, for me to get some answers or some understanding and follow the logic of it helps, even though multiple more questions may arise. Right. With this, I feel like it's gonna be one of those stories where no questions will be answered.
SPEAKER_02But if they are, it's in a psychedelic way.
SPEAKER_04Right. That it's really hard to, you know, wrap your mind around access.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, right. And and this is gonna come about as to how people communicate with them and how they choose to be seen. And I think that's the challenge of all of it.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00Because it's like the normal person can't travel there.
SPEAKER_04And so it's not like you can just go there, but physically, but if they say that this is where we all came from, right, or originated from, which I don't believe, but fair enough at all, but wouldn't we be able to have some of these abilities to be able to understand and communicate?
SPEAKER_00Well, and that's why people can.
SPEAKER_04There are people that right, but if we all came from there, why can't we even hone into a little bit of it?
SPEAKER_00Okay. In in that in that avenue, though, I mean, if you look at it, I think we all to a degree have the ability to communicate with spirits and to feel their presence, right? We call it being sensitive. But I think there's a lot of us that just have turned it off. We've closed that door.
SPEAKER_04And that that's fair. So so what you're saying is it's probably one of those things like with ghost hunting, the more you do it, the more you kind of can feel the energy shifts and you start to sense certain things. Right. So it's like if you were to go to Mount Shasta and maybe spend time there, maybe you would be able to hone in on some things.
SPEAKER_00Right. And they actually pick up on things. There are two different groups out there in that area that do just that. Okay that they go out and actually go out to Mount Shasta to communicate. Um and then one group even has like uh Zoom meetings.
SPEAKER_02Oh, really?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Okay, you know how ghost hunters have a specific look in general.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02I kind of wonder if they do if they have a specific look, like a hippie, you know? That's kind of what you picture, a real tall hippie. Or like uh beads really down, not down to earth, but you know what I mean, really earthy vibe. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Oh no, definitely. Definitely have that more earthy type of vibe to them.
SPEAKER_04Okay, so let's let's move down this trail a bit and see where let's go into some sightings, right?
JC Brown’s Cave And Tall Mummies
SPEAKER_00Because okay, with with all of this, it's without people having experienced anything, we're just talking about weird things that people think happen. Um so, but it was a Eureka teenager, Frederick Spencer Oliver, who ended up blowing this mystical door wide open in the 1880s when he claimed that an ancient native of Lemuria had used him to channel to write a manuscript that described a buried city with walls, polished as by jewelers that excavated, though excavated by giants. So residents who say they speak with the inhabitants of this underground realm have since multiplied. Oliver was the earliest channeler in this area, and historian William Missy, who put together a vast bibliography of primary sources on the mountain and its lore for the College of Siskiyou. Now Missy said, You can hardly miss a channel walking down Main Street. So moving forward into 1932, the LA Times magazine article by Edward Lancer wrote, seeing Mount Shasta ablaze with a strange reddish reddish green light from the window of his Oregon-bound train. Lemurians, a fellow passenger confided. Returning to explore the legend further, Lancer was told that tall men from a sunken civilization were known to patronize local stores buying enormous quantities of sulfur as well as a great deal of salt.
SPEAKER_04Breakfast? Sulver?
SPEAKER_00Right?
SPEAKER_04And salt?
SPEAKER_00I mean, you gotta wonder. So, in a stroke of good fortune for the Mount Shasta economy, the items were always paid for with gold nuggets, and the gold always far exceeded the value of the merchandise.
SPEAKER_04Wow.
SPEAKER_02So I just gotta put up a shop and then I can get gold nuggets?
SPEAKER_00I think so.
SPEAKER_02Let's do it.
SPEAKER_00Sweet. That'd be kind of neat, wouldn't it?
SPEAKER_02That would be kind of cool.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. What I found interesting is looking into it where when I was looking at um trying to find more people who have witnessed Lemurians, it came to find that a lot of people that live in around Siskiyou County all kind of believe, like there's a you know, a group of them that all believe that this is going on. That these that these Lemurians exist.
SPEAKER_02Okay, now I'm starting to think like, you know how in in ghost hunting, we believe that if somebody tries hard enough to create something, they can create it, like Slunderman. Yeah, like bring it into existence. Bring it into existence, exactly. So I kinda wonder if this is what this that's like. Ooh, maybe that's where it's heading, huh?
SPEAKER_00It could be.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Like if you have enough people who believe in something that it kind of creates it. Interesting.
SPEAKER_00That's very possible. Very, very possible. So moving on to probably one of the more famously known individuals associated to Mount Shasta and the Lemorians. Um, according to Leland Loveless in his book Lost Mines and Hidden Treasures, JC Brown was a British prospector employed by the Lord Cowdream Mining Company of London to look for gold in the mountains of Northern California. It was said that he discovered a lost underground city beneath Mount Shasta in 1904.
SPEAKER_02That's really cool.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. At that time, he discovered a cave which sloped downwards for 11 miles. At the end of the tunnel, he found an underground village filled with gold, strange hieroglyphics, shields, and mummies, some being up to 10 feet tall.
SPEAKER_04Ooh. I have a question.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_04How so I'm I'm assuming that there weren't mile markers, so how did he know it's 11 miles?
SPEAKER_00That's a very good question.
SPEAKER_02But I also think like people were hiking a lot or or who you know do those types of things kind of can gauge about how far they've gone. I wonder how accurate. I wonder if that was something where it's like a hypothetical guess. It would have to be, I think.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I mean, there is a way, like in land navigation, if you know how far you're if you have a consistent stride and you know how many steps it takes to go, let's say a hundred meters, you could use the number of steps you take to extrapolate to the longer distances. Yes.
SPEAKER_02Or even like the amount of time he's been doing it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I I'd be so lost. Oh, me too. I must have gone 50 miles. It's been one. I know that would be me.
SPEAKER_00It's been 50 feet. We're so far in. Oh, there's the entrance.
SPEAKER_04The entrance is right there around.
SPEAKER_00It was said that he left everything as it was and left the cave. The next 30 years of his life are shrouded in mystery. What we do know is that during this time, he had studied literature, philosophy, and in particular accounts of the lost continent of Mu and the lost civilizations of Lemoria. After 30 years, he resurfaced and told his story to John C. Root, proceeded to gather an exploration team in Stockton, California. It was said that 80 people joined the team, but on the day the team was to set out, Brown did not show up, and he was never heard from again. He was said to have died and been buried in Nevada in 1936. As he never disclosed the location of the entrance to the cave, his secret died with him. However, many people today remain convinced that JC Brown had actually discovered the entrance into Lemuria or what is left of it.
Interdimensional Encounters And Venus Claims
SPEAKER_02See now I do believe that it's possible to find places like that. Because this earth has been around for a really long time. There's been a lot, a lot of people. There's been, you know, people living in all sorts of places.
SPEAKER_00Sure.
SPEAKER_02And I have no doubt. And there's tons of places that you can go that have caverns and that have, you know, all these cool hidden spots to hide things and whatnot.
SPEAKER_00Lava tubes and all sorts of different stuff.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Like nutty putty caves. You know, I I've navigated some of that and it's pretty wild, you know. But it's hard for me that nobody's found it since. It's been over a hundred years. You think something would be found by now.
SPEAKER_00But what about the Lost Dutchman mine in Arizona? I mean, that's never been found.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And so, I mean, people have been looking that for hundreds of years now, too.
SPEAKER_04But the question comes about, is it even real?
SPEAKER_00Well, and that that breaks out to the Lost Dutchman, too, right? Like both of them are the same question. Is it is it eve is it even real?
SPEAKER_02It would be cool to go and get like a drone with IR or something that can detect temperature change. Well and see if you can find something that does that.
SPEAKER_00Or like part of it too, though, is like they it is an old volcano.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00And so, which means there's gonna be lava tubes and lava tunnels.
SPEAKER_01Sure.
SPEAKER_00So if there's a lot of them, maybe it's a matter of circumnavigating the right one. And if it is 11 miles down, I mean, that is a walk.
SPEAKER_02How did you find his way back out? Is my question.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. I mean, he what he was an experienced miner. So I would assume that he was very comfortable underground. He was very able to he was easily able to navigate around.
SPEAKER_04Right. But if you've never been there before and are unfamiliar with that particular um path and stuff and area, then how would you?
SPEAKER_00I mean, it's a good question.
SPEAKER_02And it's like lava tubes versus just regular mining? Yeah. You know, it's going to look very different. Yeah. It is. But I mean it would be interesting to know how to pick their brains, right?
SPEAKER_04If only we could.
SPEAKER_00Right, exactly. So then we get into probably the most interesting individual I've come across looking into this subject. And I don't know quite how to pronounce his name.
SPEAKER_02Go for it.
SPEAKER_00I would say it's Yoj. It's Joy Backwards. That's his name.
SPEAKER_04Yoj Yoj.
SPEAKER_00Y-O-J. Yosh Yoj. Um So while many hunters of the Lemurian legend look for physical tunnels and gold-filled caves, some say the entrance isn't found with a shovel, but with the mind. Enter Yoj. He says, I wasn't walking on dirt anymore. I was standing on the floors of pure light. The Lemurians, they didn't speak with mouths. They spoke with colors and feelings. They showed me the great central sun. They showed me the mountain is just a shell, a physical mask for a city that exists in the fifth dimension.
SPEAKER_02Wouldn't somebody see them? There have been sightings. There have been.
SPEAKER_00So we'll put a pause on Yoshi just for a second. Um there's a story of a guy who was out hiking um with his buddies. And as they were walking down a very well marked path, he felt this weird shift.
SPEAKER_02Like air energy problem.
SPEAKER_00Like energy, like an energy shift. And as he was walking, he noticed that he was walking alone now. And there was nobody else on this path. Even though it is a well-marked, well-traveled trail, yeah. He's now alone. And as he continued walking, he ran into an individual who was in a white robe, very tall, and was talking to him.
SPEAKER_02Um that sounds kind of like a different dimension.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. And then he left and went back. And after a while of walking back, he did the same thing. He went through a shift of energy.
SPEAKER_04And then there were multiple people on the hiking trail, and he hadn't left. Like he hadn't left, and just right, exactly.
SPEAKER_00And so that's I think that's why that's why I think Josh is talking about is that it this is more interdimensional, less physical.
SPEAKER_02Got it.
SPEAKER_00Um which doesn't make it any less uh or sorry, doesn't make it any easier to believe.
SPEAKER_02But also though, I've heard of stories. Um you guys have heard of John or Mr. Bolin.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And he will share stories of people who in other countries have been walking to work or what have you, or skiing. They end up and they end up in a thousand miles away or hundreds of miles away. Yeah. And it could be and they're like, what the heck is going on? Where am I? And I'm in all these ski clothes in a place that I shouldn't be wearing ski clothes. Yeah, or I was on my way to work and now I'm in a whole nother country. Like, what the heck? Crazy.
Disappearances: Carl Landers And The Missing Boy
SPEAKER_00So one of these uh individuals believed that they were taken to Venus.
SPEAKER_02Venus.
SPEAKER_00Venus, where they learn about the Lemurians and their ways.
SPEAKER_02So we're not talking just a little far-fetched for me.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I know. Why Venus, though?
SPEAKER_00That's because that's part of their so that's part of the Lemurians training academy.
SPEAKER_04Basically.
SPEAKER_00It's like the religious center.
SPEAKER_04Education center.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that that's a little far-fetched for me.
SPEAKER_04Especially especially if they're supposed to be an ancient civilization.
SPEAKER_00So there's okay, so on Earth. So part of the belief is that they're not just um ancient individuals, they're also ancient aliens. Like they came from like UFO. Like they came from Alpha Centauri.
SPEAKER_04Maybe that explains the red green light.
SPEAKER_00Right. Or that was just the northern lights.
SPEAKER_04I mean, at this point, who knows? We're just going with yeah.
SPEAKER_00So back to Yosh. So to the skeptics, it's a hallucination brought on by thin air and solitude. But those who followed who have followed him up the jagged rocks of Bunny Flat, the experience is chillingly real. They report a sudden drop in temperature, the feeling of invisible hands on their shoulders, and a terrifyingly beautiful sense that they are being scanned by something deep within the stone.
SPEAKER_04Being scanned gives you a beautiful feeling.
SPEAKER_00You know.
SPEAKER_04I mean, that's not what I hear when people put on the probulator when they get abducted.
SPEAKER_00No. I mean, it's it's a very interesting concept, right? But he says that the Lemurians are very selective. They don't just let anyone into the city of light. That's what they call it. So if you go up there with a closed heart or worse, a camera, you might find that the mountain mountain pushes you back.
SPEAKER_04Cameras worse than a closed heart?
SPEAKER_00Proof. It's evidence. It's evidence.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but couldn't they, if they have all these abilities, couldn't they just like bust your camera with their mind?
SPEAKER_00There's uh how many people have said they've taken they've tried to take pictures of UFOs or of Bigfoot and it only comes out blurry? I mean it's every one of them.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Every one of them. And Loch Nest, every single one.
SPEAKER_00So now we're gonna move to the interesting individual of Carl Landers, or I should say the disappearance of Carl Landers.
SPEAKER_02Ooh. Got lost in the mountain.
SPEAKER_00So in May of 1999, Carl Landers was a man with a plan. He was 69 years old, a marathon runner, and a veteran of the mountains. He was fit, he was focused, and he was just one summon away from completing a lifetime goal. Carl was at Camp 5050 on Mount Shasta, 10,000 feet up, where the air starts to taste like metal and the silence feels heavy. He was with two friends, Barry and Milton, but that morning Carl wasn't feeling right. He told them he'd head out toward Lake Helen, just a short half mile stretch of open trail to get a head start while they packed up. His friends watched him. They literally saw him round the bend, a speck of rust colored jacket against the blinding white snow. They were only minutes behind him. It's a straight shot on an open bowl of snow where you can see for miles. There are no trees to hide behind, no cliffs to fall off, and on that morning there were dozens of other climbers already at the lake, their tents dotting the ice like colorful confetti. When Barry Milton when Barry and Milton reached the lake ten minutes later, they asked around for the man in the rust colored coat. The climbers looked at them blankly. Nobody had seen him. In those ten minutes on a clear day in an open field of snow, Carl Landers simply didn't exist. The search that followed was one of the largest in Shasta's history. Blackhawk helicopters were thermal imaging scanned every inch of the rock. Dogs were brought in, they couldn't find a scent. They found no footprints prints leading off trail, no dropped water bottles, no scraps of orange fabric. It was as if the mountain had opened its mouth and swallowed him a hole. To the investigators, he's a tragic victim of hit of a hidden crevice. But to the locals who know the legend of Telos, Carl didn't fall down. He was pulled in.
SPEAKER_02That's interesting.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, because the first thing I thought was, you know, those snow crevices that are just miles deep.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah. Like in the glacier.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Um, but but I think you would have heard him scream or something. Not necessarily.
SPEAKER_00But you would have seen a hole.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Usually, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Usually. Like it's like, well, there's a hole that wasn't there before. You know, and well, he's there.
SPEAKER_04Well, considering that there was others there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And just I don't know.
SPEAKER_00It's weird, isn't it? That's why it is strange.
SPEAKER_02That's where I wonder if it's like the dimension thing. Say it's real, right?
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_02Say this whole dimension thing is real. Which I do believe that there are different dimensions. I really do believe that. Yeah. But what if it was one thing where he like took another step and all of a sudden he's in a different dimension? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right. Well, yeah, and that's the thing, right? If he's just like the other hiker, because that the one the hiker story was actually on Mr. Ballin. Um where we found it. Um, but just like that, right? He was there in what'd you say our dimension one second and gone the next. I mean, how would you walk up and down a path that nobody sees you walking up and down and you don't see anybody else? And the next minute you're back on the path, and there are people all around you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and it's not like you can control that.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_02Strange.
Rules For Meeting Lemurians
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Now I think now I think it's this this one is, I think, the most interesting one. It's nicked, it's called the Missing Boy. Search and rescue missions on Mount Shasta are usually grim affairs. A race against hypothermia and the jagged terrain. But in the autumn of 2011, a three-year-old boy vanished from a family campsite, sparking a search that would end with a story of so chilling it made seasoned rangers question the very ground they stood on. The boy was gone for five hours. One minute he was playing near the tree line, the next he was a ghost. When he was finally found miles away and seemingly unharmed, his parents expected tears. Instead, they got a report from the edge of reality. He told them he had been taken, not by a person, by what he called the others. He described being led into a dark opening in the rock, a cave that felt like a house. He spoke of beings that didn't look like us. He said they were tall and shimmering, and that they sat him down in a room filled with light. The boy claimed that after they rejected him, he was suddenly back on the mountain, right where the searchers found him. To a doctor, it is the overactive imagination of a traumatized toddler. To the followers of Morian myth, it is a rare, terrifying glimpse into the biological curiosity of the inhabitants of Telos.
SPEAKER_02So it makes me wonder what are they looking for?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, especially if they took them and then rejected them.
SPEAKER_00I don't know.
SPEAKER_04So you must have to fit a very strict and specific type.
SPEAKER_00Maybe they're looking at bloodlines. I don't know. Um it's hard to say.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because it's not like anybody comes back from it, so to tell you like what they really are looking for.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and you know, if you're going off a three-year-old.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, that's not gonna work.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But it but see, there's a thing though, too, right? It's like three-year-olds are pretty honest when it comes to stuff.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean, not that they can't fabricate things, but most of the time, like they just speak whatever they see, whether you want them to or not.
SPEAKER_02A hundred percent.
SPEAKER_00Right? And so it seems like if if he's telling people that he was here and it was led into a cave in the side of a uh of the rock, and then the next he was there back where they found him. It's hard not to take the kid at some face value on that.
SPEAKER_02Well, because somebody would have seen him. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And how is a five a three-year-old gonna traverse that far in five hours?
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Didn't they have like, wasn't there someone who actually went along the path that it would take to go from where he ended up, and there was no way he could have gotten there in five hours?
SPEAKER_00I believe so, yeah. Yeah, I I I remember th reading about that. It was in a different spot, but yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Or it even it could have been even with a different kid. But yeah, there was someone who traced where from point A to point B, and it took them way longer, and they are really experienced in hiking. It took them way longer than the five hours. Yeah. Like there's no possible way that that would have happened.
SPEAKER_00Well, and the thing is like in in some parts of that area, because we've driven, like we said, we've driven basically almost all around Mount Shasta. Yeah there's lava fields. And they're not that I mean, they look really cool, but they would be challenging to traverse for a full-grown adult.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, let alone a three-year-old.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But even that, like, even let's say let's say it's just an open field, because there's there's that too, right? There's open fields on the side of this mountain. Even if they were by one of those, the chance of a kid traversing miles of distance in five hours is pretty low. Not that they're not capable, but you'd have to like be going in a dedicated direction. You watch most three-year-olds, they kind of meander left and right and they don't go in a straight line.
SPEAKER_04Right. Right.
SPEAKER_00According to Yosh, if you want to see a Lemurian and interact with them, there are rules. Now, like I said before, these are the rules that he claims he received from them while on Venus.
SPEAKER_04All right, let's get into this.
SPEAKER_00Remember though, we're not talking physically there. We're talking astral projection on Venus. I know. Uh, you must ask for ask permission. Before stepping onto the higher trails like Bunny Flat or Panther Meadows, you must internally ask the mountain's guardians for permission to enter. A sudden sense of dread or quick change in weather is seen as a no. Check your vibration. Lemurians are said to exist in a higher frequency.
Atlantis, Tech Wars, And Skepticism
SPEAKER_02Which in spiritual terms, high frequency is good, low frequency is bad. So, like evil spirits communicate in a low frequency, and good spirits uh communicate in a high frequency.
SPEAKER_00Right. Yeah. So it says if you approach with fear, greed, or skepticism, the legend says the gates to telos will remain invisible to you.
SPEAKER_04Well, I'm out.
SPEAKER_00The other thing this is so the uh rule number three, watch for lenticulars. If a saucer-shaped lenticular cloud forms over the peak, it is considered a cloaking device. Observers are warned not to point or shout, as it may be interrupted or interpreted as a hostile threat by the craft within.
SPEAKER_04Craft?
SPEAKER_00Yes, remember they're interplanetary beings.
SPEAKER_04So they have Yeah, but this is the first they've mentioned a craft.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Okay. Go on.
SPEAKER_00I'll get into a little more of those pieces after after these rules.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_00It just gets better, I'm telling you.
SPEAKER_04I'm enjoying it already.
SPEAKER_00Uh never follow the golden light. Paranormal accounts warn of hikers seeing a warm golden glow between the trees at night.
SPEAKER_04It's called a fairy. Or the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
SPEAKER_00Both wrong countries.
SPEAKER_04Oh, sorry.
SPEAKER_00Legend says following it without a guide can lead to a missing time or being lured into physical crevices that are impossible to escape.
SPEAKER_04All right, noted.
SPEAKER_00Right. Uh silence is. Mandatory in sacred areas like the McLeod Flats or sorry, McLeod Falls portals, loud noises are believed to shatter the vortex. Most seekers maintain total silence to better hear the telepathic whispers of the inhabitants.
SPEAKER_02So you're telling me not to bring my bells?
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02Or whistles. Got it.
SPEAKER_00Or firecrackers. Although you're probably getting arrested anyway, because I think those are illegal in California. Um, leave no trace, physical or psychic. Beyond the standard hiking rule, psychic cleanliness is expected. This means leaving behind any heavy emotional baggage or negative intentions before reaching the high energy zones.
SPEAKER_04So there yeah, she's just cleaning her. I'm cleansing myself.
SPEAKER_02So if I like have negative energy and I'm trying to cleanse it, I can't cleanse it there.
SPEAKER_00Cleanse it before.
SPEAKER_02Before entering. You have to be clean. So it's like taking a shower.
SPEAKER_00Yes, take a psychic shower.
SPEAKER_02Psychic shower. Take a psychic shower before you come.
SPEAKER_04Use your psychic body wash. Clean really well.
SPEAKER_02Scrub twice.
SPEAKER_00It's right. Uh respect the guardians. Some stories mention gray men or small people who act as scouts for the Lemorians.
SPEAKER_01Aliens.
SPEAKER_00Yes. Got it. If you see a figure that looks wrong or out of place, aliens. You are advised to look down and keep walking.
SPEAKER_01Got it.
SPEAKER_00Got it.
SPEAKER_04We need a checklist.
SPEAKER_00Right?
SPEAKER_04Print out checklist. Let's go to Mount Shasta and we'll go through it before we wouldn't you know.
SPEAKER_00I got the checklist right here. We're good to go.
SPEAKER_02Well, it would be hilarious if we did. You know how people have like Walmart bingo? Let's do Mount Shasta bingo. Circle of clouds above the Mount Shasta.
SPEAKER_04Shape like a saucer?
SPEAKER_02Check.
SPEAKER_04Little gray dudes, check.
SPEAKER_00Lost time? Check.
SPEAKER_02Little yellow light. Uh check.
SPEAKER_00So the the website that I found that talks that is very heavy Lemourian. It talks about a lot of this other history that I didn't necessarily want to get into because it was even more far-fetched. Yes. So part of the Lemurian legend also ties in Atlantis.
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay. It goes everywhere. Venus, Atlantis.
SPEAKER_00So according to the legend, both Atlantis and Lemuria uh occupied the same time frame. Different sets of beings, right? Higher level beings. There was a disagreement between the two groups. One wanted to share uh technology and information with the rest of humanity that was on Earth at the time. The other wanted to keep it away from them.
SPEAKER_04Which is probably the smarter choice.
SPEAKER_00Right. So they fight over it.
SPEAKER_02Oh boy. Well, there is with Atlantis, they're coming out with more and more actual substantial evidence that it really did exist. And I actually follow a girl that talks a lot about Atlantis. It's one of her favorite things. And it is fascinating, this the things that science is coming up with showing that it really did exist. But the theory is that there is there was a big war, and that is why the technology no longer exists.
SPEAKER_00The interesting part is they claim it was a thermal nuclear war.
SPEAKER_02What?
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02So they had like way major advanced technology in Atlantis.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And so Lemuri would have been the same way. So the both these so the way they described it is Lemurians were high high energy, like high high vibration, high frequency, and Atlanteans were low frequency.
SPEAKER_02See, I wonder if it's like spiritual versus um physical.
SPEAKER_00No, that's very possible.
SPEAKER_02Because if Atlantis, that is physical. And I can't remember Lemuria? Lemoria people. Spiritual. Or spiritual. Could be.
SPEAKER_00Could be. This also makes me think of the other episode we did, or I should say I did I was part of um a couple uh a couple seasons ago where we talked about the watchers.
SPEAKER_04Yep.
SPEAKER_00And this very much has Watcher vibes to it. So I'm not saying that like I think part of the history pieces of it, like I don't necessarily think is entirely true. And in fact, part of it, the stuff with JC Brown, the part I left out a little bit of it, was the fact that most of this stuff has been I want to say partial discredited according to what we believe scientifically has happened to Pangaea.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_00So we know how great our scientists are with certain pieces of of reality. Um, but they're like they're saying plate tectonics is what moved right the the continents apart. Well, he's saying that it was magnetic energy. Which one's right? I mean both are saying the exact same thing. Continents moved, things changed.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_02What I find interesting is that they're claiming the things that have actually happened happened at different times and in different circumstances. Such as Pangaea and Atlantis.
SPEAKER_00Yep.
SPEAKER_02So like there's a reason Atlantis doesn't exist anymore, and it is because of a war, but not with them. Not as the world sees it. Right. And not as the world is discovering it. So and people also believe, you know, Pangea didn't happen because of magnetic energy, and that there was a a civilization that survived and it was flooded, and you know, the rest of us believe it was Noah. You know what I mean? So it's kind of hard to think a certain way when you've been taught your entire life one way, yeah. Right? And then you're it's like, well, actually it happened this way, but it's super fantastical, and you just have to believe it. Yeah, that's all spiritual. Yeah, to feel the swap. That's why it's making it hard for me. Yeah. But do I believe that there are cities that existed in mountains in whatever actually, yeah. I don't have a problem believing that. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well, even the there, we like even in Utah, there are ancient dwellings that are up in the mountains.
SPEAKER_02Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like in the sides of mountains, and we're not.
SPEAKER_02That you can still see. And you they're like way high up, and you wonder how in the crap did they live there and get up and down every day.
SPEAKER_00Well, yeah, well, yeah, because they're up a hundred feet up the side of a cliff. Yeah. And the water is in the valley below.
SPEAKER_02And so it's like And there is no How'd you get up there? Yeah, and there's no path. No. No. You don't see a path. Nope. So it's like, how did they do that? So, yes, like I do believe there's cool things like that that happened. But the whole fantastical part of it is real hard for me to wrap my brain around. Yeah, no, I I'm there with you.
SPEAKER_00I I I agree with you. This one is a challenging one. I found it very interesting. And and mainly because I think there are people that have had very strange experiences on Mount Shasta.
Cryptids, Hotspots, And Final Reflections
SPEAKER_02I would really love to see the magnetic energy that is there. I really cool to go and take some equipment and see because I really wonder if there's something in the earth that causes that magnetic energy, or can like I mean, this is kind of throwing this way out there, but is it possible that these people who've experienced time change or experience going from point A to point B and not knowing how they got there? Changing dimensions, if you will, what if that has to do with the magnetic energy in the earth? What if something that the earth can create or does create naturally makes this happen and you just happen to be in the right place at the right time to experience that? You know what I mean? Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, there's all the there's always the talk of ley lines, you know, energy lines uh across the earth and how they intersect and all of these pieces. And that we know that the earth is spinning and that there's magnetic energy being created. That's why you know, certain things actually work in this in this um existence. So it would be very interesting. We have, I mean, look at all our equipment, right?
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00EMF detectors. That's energy. You know, all of the things that we carry to do paranormal investigations are really based on the detection of energy.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_00And there are cases of like look at Skinwalker Ranch, the ridgeline behind Skinwalker Ranch. It has ridiculously high baseline EMF.
SPEAKER_02Mm-hmm. See, and that's where it makes me wonder if there was something in the earth that caused maybe a spike, you know, right where that person was at the right time.
SPEAKER_00But then did the person interdimensionally travel distances, or did the magnetic spike and EMF or the magnetic spike and energy flux cause a memory lapse so that they didn't remember traveling that distance?
SPEAKER_02That could very well possibly be, but also there's people around them that didn't see them anymore.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_02So but I like I have experienced when I'm driving going from I mean, there was one time I went from like Salt Lake to Spanish Fork, and I don't remember any of it. And I wasn't tired, I was totally fine singing songs in my car, and all of a sudden it was like I kind of like snapped out of it, and I was like, I'm in Spanish Fork, what the heck? I know I changed lanes, I know I like like I'm a pretty safe driver, I feel. So I was like, how did that just happen? You know? So I wonder if it's like, is there something possible? I don't know. I mean, I'm just throwing it out there, but what do you think?
SPEAKER_04I have no idea. There's a lot there to unpack. It's like, where do you start? You could go down such a rabbit hole with this in every way. In every way, every way.
SPEAKER_00I looked at it, I'm like, okay, I need to, I don't want a seven-hour episode because we could easily get into all of it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I don't see it being a difficult thing to make a very, very long episode.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And and that's the thing is that people have had these. I think the part that Lemurians decide uh to that avenue, right? Like I think people get into trying to explain the unexplainable or things that we can't explain now. That's why we get all sorts of weird theories on things. But things are happening to people up there on the mountain.
SPEAKER_04Look, I don't doubt that things are happening. The explanation behind what is the question.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And so they actually have the coordinates to two of these vertices, vortexes, um, that one of these groups claimed to have opened.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_00Um, and so like we could technically hike up there and verify and and look at the energy shifts and changes in the area. Because if you have an active vortex, that should that should mean that the energy in and out of it is entirely different.
SPEAKER_04Right.
SPEAKER_00I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I've also heard of a lot of people uh that have hiked Mount Shasta, different parts of it, have come across creatures too. Like Bigfoot. Yeah you know, or Bigfoot like that actually, yeah, that has hurled like like big rocks.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Like big rocks, um, and even logs at them.
SPEAKER_00So Mount Shasta is a paranormal hotspot, because not only do you have this piece, so the Moriens and that associated also with the aliens encounters, right? On top of the mountain. Um, I think those two pieces are combined. You also have cryptids, and then you got straight up paranormal.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00With ghosts and everything else going on over there. Um, and so there's a lot going on in that mountain.
SPEAKER_04Something for everybody. Right.
SPEAKER_00Something for everybody. So I narrowed it down just for the for this episode, I narrowed it down to just this part.
SPEAKER_02Well, I think that was enough because that was a lot to unpack. Yeah. Yeah. My brain hurts. And I'm trying to give some people the benefit of the doubt. Like how they experience things. Like, well, maybe I don't know.
SPEAKER_04It's it's one of those things that I think, you know, not to discredit the people that believe in it or anything else or that have experienced it, but I think it's one of those things in order to put for like say somebody who hasn't gone through it, you would have to actually experience it firsthand yourself.
SPEAKER_00Well, and I think that's the way it goes, right? Because it's the same thing with ghosts.
SPEAKER_04Exactly.
SPEAKER_00People are like, I don't believe in ghosts.
SPEAKER_04They don't exist until they have an experience. You have an experience, but they can't explain. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Right. And aliens, the same with the same thing with aliens and other cryptids. All of it. Yep. So we've traveled from the sun drenched plains of ancient Mu to the frozen silent ridges of Mount Shasta. We've looked uh over the maps of Wishar and heard the haunting stories of these of those who have vanished into the whiteout, leaving nothing but questions behind. Is Mount Shasta a geological powerhouse? A place of tectonic shifts and thinning oxygen that plays tricks on the human mind? Or is it truly a city of light, a fortress for a race that outlasted the sinking of a continent? Perhaps the answer isn't in the rocks or the records, but in the mountain itself. A place that seems to act as a mirror, reflecting back whatever mystery you are, brave enough to go looking for. The next time you see a saucer shaped cloud settling over that jagged peak or feel a vibration that doesn't quite match the wind, don't just look with your eyes. Remember the detailed records, remember the walkers in white, and remember that according to the legends, we aren't just visitors on the coast, we are the survivors.
SPEAKER_04Moo.
SPEAKER_00And as always, stay ghosty, my peeps.
