The Sneaker Dads Podcast
The Sneaker Dads Podcast
Guard Your Grails
Are sneaker reselling profits just a myth? Join us, Teek and McFly, as we uncover the real dynamics of the sneaker industry, from shifting shopping habits to the challenges faced by resellers today. We'll explore how once-exclusive sneaker events have become more accessible, and how digital trends have transformed the way people connect with sneaker culture. Discover why even legendary athletes like LeBron and KD struggle to sell sneakers to a younger audience more interested in flashy designs or luxury brands.
Think re-releases hold the same allure as vintage classics? We dive into how nostalgia and retro releases impact sneaker values across generations, and what brands need to do to capture the magic of the past. We'll share our thoughts on the changing dynamics of sneaker desirability and the role of marketing strategies in keeping the hype alive. Tune in as we nostalgically reminisce about iconic releases like the Wu-Tang Dunks and discuss the importance of storytelling in creating a buzz around new drops.
Find yourself frustrated with repetitive sneaker drop videos? You're not alone. We critique the current trends in sneaker culture content and highlight the need for more meaningful engagement. Wrapping up, we'll reflect on the rising trends in sneaker pricing, market consolidation, and how collaborations with other industries are broadening sneaker appeal. Join us as we offer insights into the complex world of sneakers, emphasizing the importance of community and fair pricing in maintaining the culture's vibrancy. This and much more on The Sneaker Dads Podcast.
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internet's what it do, and what up though, partner you back at it. Sneaker dads um november chopping on its way through holidays up. All the internet's talking about is turkeys and dressing and debt. Oh, and crazy electoral post text messages. Still that you're getting.
Speaker 2:You still getting any of those texts? They shut down as soon as Trump won.
Speaker 1:I'm still getting texts. That's crazy. A little spam, straight spam text too. You already know.
Speaker 2:It ain't over, it ain't over, it ain't over. Y'all not letting go out there, y'all not letting go, man, y'all not letting go.
Speaker 1:But, as you all know, if this is your first time listening, welcome. Welcome. This is the Sneaker Dash Podcast, with myself, teek, and I got my guy McFly each week here. You know, we try to bring you a little sneaker talk on a different Detroit perspective here. You know, we're at the illustrious Burn Rubber again here and it's again surrounded by a wonderful assortment of shoes. So if y'all are not local and you hear me talk about Burn Rubber, make sure y'all are going on the website, make sure you're checking the Instagram showing love.
Speaker 2:You probably have a sale coming up here soon, I would assume here towards Black Friday at the end of the month, we got something special going for.
Speaker 1:Black Friday Something brewing.
Speaker 2:Huh yeah, we got something special for Black Friday. You know, it might not be as legendary as the classic burn rubber sales.
Speaker 1:But nonetheless a sale is easy Some savings is on the way, for sure, for sure that's the thing I tell people Some savings is on the way. I know shout out to a couple of our listeners One I can think of, our guy Reggie. He's out in the Bay Area Shops heavy with 218. I know he hits me from time to time. He's like hey, do you know if 218 is going to do it? I said man follow the hookup.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you'll know there. I said there's a post there. We always typically show love and repost.
Speaker 2:So yeah, both stores big Black Friday sales. Of course we're going to have Cyber Monday sales day sales. So you know we just prepping for that.
Speaker 1:It's prepping bro retail, like we were kind of talking earlier, offline, just you know, seeing sales and the trends and kind of where holiday shopping is going to potentially go, uh, this year, with so many folks. Like I said, either one of those people fall in the category of saving money, the other ones fall into I don't have no money for sure, um, or just really trying to hold on to it and spend it sparingly. Do y'all still see? Here's my thing I want to ask do y'all still see a lot of kids coming in now, or is it still more adults coming in to cash?
Speaker 2:out.
Speaker 1:We was having that conversation do you see a lot of parents bringing their kids in anymore? Like it's not really younger age is not. It's not a kid's story no more.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, you, you know you get your little, you know 10 year olds who are coming here after school and stuff like that. But it's not the same as when I was a teenager and you know I wanted to go to revive and I wanted and I wanted to come up to Burn Rubber and stuff like that and just chill, you feel what I'm saying. It's different.
Speaker 1:What do you think is keeping? That Is it.
Speaker 2:Kids ain't outside, no more really.
Speaker 1:You feel what I'm saying. It's just like Watching.
Speaker 2:Kaisenot you know, they're at home playing 2K or looking at streaming. You feel what I'm saying. So you know, we was kind of forced to be outside, true that, and we wanted to be outside.
Speaker 1:You feel what I'm saying because I mean it was one of those things, even when, like, the boutique scene jumped off real heavy. I mean, obviously boutiques have always been around for quite some time right, but I know for at least me and experiences with Burned Rubber in particular.
Speaker 1:you know forums were a big thing and like Nike, talk naturally for those of y'all that are familiar with the forum, which had no affiliation with Nike, by the way, if this is your first time hearing about Nike Talk, but nonetheless, it was a forum back in the late mid to late nineties and you'd always see certain spots in other States, Right, so you know, uh Huff was out there back in the day or um, stash had his spot, uh, or for sure, recon right and all these different stores that, and it used to be like man, where is that at in my city?
Speaker 1:You know, and at the time for detroit there wasn't anything really around like this right, like it was there, but not to this magnitude where you wanted people to come in and chop it up for sure you know, um, and then finding people, like you said we wanted to be outside. Yeah, you know, and yeah, you're right. I think that's died down and shifted.
Speaker 2:It's like even this era of kids aren't into sneakers. How we were into sneakers, like you said, we was in in-style shoes.
Speaker 1:Dude, do you remember shoe trends? You feel what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Or are we on Nike Talk, talking to people in Hawaii and Hong Kong you feel what I'm saying Having conversations with all these different group of people, whereas now it's just like I don't know.
Speaker 1:You think that's where the accessibility took place, though, Because remember back then, pre-big internet and third-party marketplaces and releases that dropped so crazy.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:It was regional drops, like we talked about in past episodes.
Speaker 2:Right, and you know so they just I don't think they look at shoes how we looked at shoes. You know what I'm saying. It was special for us. Yeah, and back to that storytelling right, like we got to see Penny Hardaway playing in phones, we got to see Michael Jordan, you know, playing in these shoes, mike.
Speaker 1:Bibby or Scotty Pippen. Yeah, so Rodman right shoes or scotty pippen.
Speaker 2:Yes, so it's like the players who you know they're not seeing d book and ease and like I gotta go pick them deep you feel what I'm saying yes, jaw is. I mean not jaw. Uh, jaw has a uh jaw too, right? Yeah, people, you know people purchase the jaws and stuff like that. But ae really is the only one where you see people like damn I gotta go grab them bitches them bitches sweet.
Speaker 1:You feel what I'm saying. Back to we talking about price point. Great price point, great shoe.
Speaker 2:It's not fucking 200, I got a group chat, it's me and two other friends and every time ae drop I I, uh, I throw a picture in that we gotta go get you feel what I'm saying, I and I don't think the you know this newer generation and it's like that, and me and these two we're 35 plus talking like this. You feel about shoes and stuff, so it's it's not the same feeling anymore, true? You?
Speaker 1:feel what I'm saying. We're gonna get restored um at some point.
Speaker 2:Because right now it's looking. It always goes through these gaps. You know, like I say, I always say the Fusion era was just like this. You feel what I'm saying? That was an era. You feel what I'm saying. Shit was sitting the Varsity Red 6s, black and white, right.
Speaker 1:Both had that pack, said that pack, right well. And then independently. And then they had the yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, uh, the um black infrared and the five pack. That's that wow, I forgot about you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:The five, the defining moments, two with the two, sevens, that's that sad, all that stuff. Cherry 12s Sad. You feel what I'm saying? That shit was fire by the way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all that stuff Sad after that Fusion era, because people was like bro, I'm not, you feel what I mean? It took 11s to get us back to Bordeaux's. For me, bordeaux's was like all right, I can get back in and buy shoes again. You feel what I'm saying? Um, so it's go. It takes something. You feel what I'm saying? Um, not to wish death on anybody, but it's going to take, possibly something like that. Um, uh, just drop something sweet, bro, and that's. That's the main.
Speaker 1:You feel what I'm saying as we sit here in a couple of different shoes options LeBron.
Speaker 2:James is the greatest player possibly of all time, at least top five. You feel what I'm saying? I'm not here to debate any of that.
Speaker 1:And I'm not looking for no 21.
Speaker 2:And nobody cares about a LeBron shoe.
Speaker 1:Even when it's at the outlet.
Speaker 2:Bro Kevin Durant, one of the greatest scorers of all time and we don't care about a new KD.
Speaker 1:They can't get that shoe right.
Speaker 2:You feel what I'm saying, so it's like all these great players, yeah, but it's like we see what's on their feet and we're like bro, I don't, that shit ain't sweet. You feel what I'm saying? It took AE to pop up like boop. You know, kyrie had it a couple years ago. Sure, did you feel what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Like I said, even with that, answers all offline right, like no one's going into a footlocker and asking for yeah, lamelo, he got buzzed with his shoes because it's for the kids.
Speaker 2:Kids love Rick and Morty. Kids love them white colors, you feel what I'm saying so he connects to that generation. But those are younger kids, them teenagers who's in high school and middle school. They don't care about none of this. I'm about to throw on some Asics.
Speaker 1:So this is what.
Speaker 2:Or something expensive yeah. Balenciagas or some Gucci's or Louis'.
Speaker 1:I was just going to say looking into that for them and that generation, that time period, it's almost like the retro business, as crazy as it's going to be next year and everybody keeps drumming up 2025 for it. Every time we turn and you and I are texting one another like damn, this is about to drop, Damn, this is coming out. Damn, they rumored for this right or now, like Jordan's, canceling back ones I've seen them cancel this past week, some like olive Jordan-looking one. It was a Jordan 1 colorway that they pulled back on.
Speaker 1:now they're yielding back on them, jordan 1 joints now and it seems like all of us, our age, demographic 30, 35 plus up is going to be the one cashing in For sure In 2025. You know what I mean? Yeah. No 15 year old, cares about Aqua 8s.
Speaker 2:At all, or great 5s with.
Speaker 1:Nike Air on it, give a fuck. Uh, yeah it, it's no 15 year old cares about aqua eights, or at all, or, or, or, you know great fives with nike air on it, give a fuck give zero.
Speaker 2:You understand, I forgot about the fives.
Speaker 1:Come out next year, great five black submit, uh, I mean chrome, black, black and chrome for february of all times.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's gonna be stuffed all-star yeah so it's like, uh, you have, they have to figure out something to make these people care. You feel what I'm saying? I don't know what's gonna make people care, but it's all old player shoes.
Speaker 1:So when you think about this, I mean old players. All I'm talking about old players is older players such as us, such as us, right, when you get past that, let's just say past 30, past 30, 35 and up, right, besides air force, one, besides top 10 forms, shell toe, um, um, puma, clyde, what else? You know where I'm going with this, besides, like that, vintage-esque shoes that have been around for decades. Yeah, blazers, blazers.
Speaker 1:It seems like now you know, jordans are falling in that retro product falling in that retro product jordan is falling in that classic division of a air force one right like it's kind of crazy when you think about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because when we were younger again we got to see the man himself play in them yeah, for sure made them that much more spectacular sure, and then when they retro, it's's like when I was a kid I wasn't able to get them, so now I have to get them now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm an 80s baby. I don't feel that I own and have owned Puma Clives, but I don't feel that connection to a Clyde For sure or a Converse Weapon right. Like I knew a Jordan 3 or a Jordan 4.
Speaker 1:For right, like I, knew a Jordan 3 or a Jordan 4. For sure you understand. So it's just wild now that you're seeing again, like we talked about the new generation ushering in, talking about AE, very few other players. Like I said, Ja's got the Ja 2. It'll be crazy to see all the new college players Like, dude, what's college been hooping in? You know what I'm saying. Like collegiate players, if you're not a Jordan brand school, they hooping in Kobe's, they hooping in Sabrina's. For sure. Sabrina's.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean Kobe's, katie's, katie's, but it's all like hoop shoes, yeah, like I'm not about to put a fit on with no Sabrina's. You feel what I'm saying? Like like I'm about to throw some hoop shorts, unless you're wale, right unless I have you back jorts, I haven't even seen wale in them oh, my god, I haven't seen wale in those.
Speaker 2:so it's, I don't know, man, I think because I have that feeling for these shoes, because once again I saw I saw Michael Jordan playing them when I was younger, seeing my older cousins or dudes on the block in J's and stuff like that made me you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:They had that shit on.
Speaker 2:I tell everybody, the shoe that made me fall in love is the Playoff 8s. My uncle had a pair. And I was like bro, I have to have this shoe.
Speaker 1:You feel what I'm saying? Do you remember how you were freaking? Did he have the? Strap on off, were they like, because you know you can do those a couple different ways. Do you remember how he would wear his? I?
Speaker 2:don't remember him ever wearing them. I just remember seeing the shoe. Ah, okay, seeing the shoes. So when I go over to my grandma's house, we had to take our shoes off before, and they were always there. They was always there, and so when I saw them I was just like this is something I've never seen before. You feel what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying and that sock liner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is crazy. Yeah, so you know, we have those connections. I don't think the newer generation has those same ties, because the people they looked up before them is probably people who wore Katie's, you feel me. They probably looking up to 2010. Kids, it was Katie's, it was Kobe's, fuck what else? Bron had a run, ron had a little run.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the early run, the early stuff, for sure super early stuff like 1 through 10 and then it was just like, uh, retros for real, but it really wasn't like middle 2010s. It was a terrible time it was for Retros. It was like looking back at it. It was a terrible time it retros. It was Looking back at it. It was a terrible time it was.
Speaker 1:And I mean you know, and I told you I had fallen out of love with sneakers prior to that actually around. Oh, for me, oh three, oh four, because that's when I was seeing like a lot of the Jordan brand product just again be super lackluster. Yeah, you know, that's when I wasn't. I know do the right thing is, threes are somebody's favorite, pg's was hot, yep, exactly Right. So. But I just fell out of love with shoes. They weren't telling no story and I just felt like they were being lazy. The brands were being lazy Like put another retro and just add some random ass color again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like we've come back to that a little bit.
Speaker 2:For sure, for sure. From 2020 to about 2023, it was kind of like Super cheeks, I get it. You try to make new colorways for the newer generations, but it's like when they don't give a fuck about it. Now it's just like it's us talking about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah interesting. Even now with my boys. They're shopping. Tico's Closet very soon here, but even then the stuff that they're picking out. My youngest is like yo he wants to know. He's like yo tell me the story and I told you I'm not one of them dads. That's like, yeah, you're going to wear these threes, You're going to wear these fours. They're like yo tell me the story because I know there's something behind this Kind of same thing.
Speaker 1:These look crazy, whatever. But then my oldest boy, he's kind of like gonna take all your low tops, these are fire. I'm like I don't know about all of them. Dad still wears some of these jordan 1 lows. But yeah, I hear you, you know, yeah, but other than that, it's real simple. You know, it's not the intricate six or the uh, the 11s or anything like that, kind of very, very simple, like that. I don't know. He's on, he's comfortable, he's playing. I'm a rock, you know, and I think you're right. It's kind us, it is to us and to a degree, and how we keep that alive. Because even at these sneaker events, bro, like I said, if it ain't just about the flip, if it ain't about to look cool. And I got five, you know big-ass Memphis boxes of shit that's new and a brown Travis, I got 40 of them at my table, yeah that's new and a brown Travis.
Speaker 2:I got 40 of them at my table. Yeah, yeah, I got a size run of a dunk that'll come out to 8 months, like shout out to you exactly, but it's just where it used to be like, god damn, you got them. I haven't seen them in ever, ever. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I don't know, man, this is not welcome. So it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting I know we kind of bounced around with that a little bit, but I don't know that had been on my mind here a bit just how stuff is shifting. So, um, one thing I did want to ask you about, because it is now time of this, recording the aftermath of the wu-tang dunks speaking about older shoes that were once these coveted grail sneakers right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Rumored back in the day 36 pairs when the original Dunk came out over, you know, 20 some odd years ago. Whatever, it is now, and they were impossible to get a hold of back in the day, right and again talking a different time. Right, you're talking mid to late 90s and you know Wu-Tang was in the streets. They was doing anything hip-hop was at a different stage it was for sure you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It was rugged and to get somebody outside of again I would say run dmc with you know shelters again. Not talking necessarily to my generation. Uh, at that point, because it was at the beginning of the 80s with that and it even I don't you know, even wasn't like official collab. Collabs, wasn't really like that big of a thing. When that Wu Tang dunk came out it was just like yo, we're doing this for the guys.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Hence where you had all of the same shit with the, you know, with the Rockefeller, like air, like Air Force Ones, right, those were all like super rare, super executive friends of family.
Speaker 2:If you knew, you knew.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly right, super hyper strike, anything Like that shit was not hitting a shelf and to me, I think a lot of the exclusiveness of the shoe and just having access to it kept the allure of it being different than your off the shelf. Because remember, especially we think Rockefeller I remember at a time around that same time that's when you started seeing West Indies Air Force Ones, you started seeing the D-Town. Remember, it wasn't Detroit, it was the D-Town.
Speaker 2:Air Force Ones Puerto Rico, puerto.
Speaker 1:Rico. It was all of these like things like wait a minute, y'all starting to put some, some writing and some stitching, like, oh shit, these are, these are, these are different. Oh, these not your traditional right? Why don't white Are you, you know? Uh, these linens, or these black and black. It was different excitement was there. So with this wu-tang, I think the marketing game was buffed up for sure for sure put the marketing dollars behind it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they did a great job executing the, the, the social drops. I think they went around. I think in new york they had the knicks players and they can't they did like a. Was it like an ice cream truck style or a food truck style?
Speaker 2:of this shit right.
Speaker 1:They seeded out of course to fat joe and a lot of other influences, or people in the know, their friends and family box with the shirt and the honey and all of that stuff. So again, I think, effort behind product equal successful launch what do you?
Speaker 2:say I mean naturally you guys ran through your pairs here at the shop but like, and they were widely available, I think if you really wanted to go after them yeah, people could have got a pair um you feel that same way for sure, like sure because I saw a lot of sneaker fucking got them light up yeah, on my timeline, for sure last week.
Speaker 1:So talk a little bit about that. Like, what do you think like um like, do you?
Speaker 2:it was the effort put behind it. Yeah, because me and you had this conversation a month ago about them and we was like these bitches might flop this is prior to any campaigns coming out anything social that we knew yeah, I think it was after the shock drop.
Speaker 2:After the shock drop and we was like you know, these bitches might, because we didn't hear nothing about them. You feel what I'm saying. So they put their time and effort behind the release. They had a shirt, yeah, the cash rules, everything around each other which was crazy, because I heard people had it.
Speaker 1:I heard the damn shirt was harder to get than the shoes. For sure, we only had six shirts.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, yeah, we had, they can't say six. However, pre-orders are still going for the If you want the 218 shirt. Oh my God. 218 is for the children. 218 is for the children, listen. 2at is for the children, listen, grab one. Grab one On Brian Rubber's website, or 2AT Crewneck.
Speaker 1:It's cold outside. Perfect for winter If you're in the Midwest right.
Speaker 2:I don't even got the Wu-Tangs and I'm about to buy one of these. You're about to buy this. It's fire.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll make sure I post it up on the site, by the way. But yeah, this, this is An example of Doing something, doing it well, you feel what I'm saying. Whoever was ahead of that, that, that release that campaign. They did what they were supposed to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it should be like that For everything. You feel what I'm saying. Yeah, why not put that campaign behind the KD, the KD, 4-hour Pearls, as you know what I'm saying. Yeah, why not put that campaign behind the katie, uh, the katie for our pearls as you know, it's just great point it's not as iconic as this shoe is.
Speaker 2:Look, I understand it's the wu-tang does, but to certain people, you feel me. I wasn't able to get to our pearls when I was saying you feel what I'm saying? I wasn't either either. House of Hoops Yep, that shit was a shit show down there. Oh fuck, I couldn't you feel what I'm saying, so why not?
Speaker 1:Shout out to all you shady asses that was working that year, nigga, we only got 13.
Speaker 2:Yeah what. Yeah, something like seven back there and employees is roughly five Like wait, so there's going to be two that are released. Yeah, that's what we hear Bullshit. You see niggas roll out with two bags and shit. They got my two bags, but yeah, why not put that effort behind the olives man? Why not put that effort behind the Fear 4s man? People don't want the Fear 4 Force because they don't know about the Fear Force.
Speaker 1:They don't even know collectively about that pack.
Speaker 2:The sneakerhead in me want the Fear Force just because I wasn't able to get to Fear Force when they originally dropped me.
Speaker 1:I was in Chicago when that shit happened. I was visiting my dad In Nike Town, of all places, when Nike Town used to be the thing State Street, three floor up Nike Town, of all places. When Nike Town used to be like the thing State Street, three floor up Nike Town. I'm not talking about your factory store, I'm not talking about your community store. I'm talking about, like, when Nike Town was the shit. And I remember going in there and, like I said, I'm a size 11. Size 8 on the wall. I'm like God damn it. I'm like that's all y'all got. Is this 8? Take this shit off the. I probably missed my chance of getting this and at that time I'm like I wasn't even thinking retro for this.
Speaker 1:Because, again they retro some of the main colors, your Chicago Bull colors. But all these lifestyle, sneakers and all that. I didn't think they'd be.
Speaker 2:For sure. Yeah, you're right, you got to force these people to want these shoes, bro. True? You feel what I'm saying? You got to Nigga. They forced me to vote. You feel what I'm saying? You got to Nigga, they forced me to vote. Like nigga, I voted God damn. And then they got a website if you were snitching the check.
Speaker 1:Niggas Like yeah checkivotedcom Like oh yeah, fam you on it. It says right here you ain't voted since 2016.
Speaker 2:Ayo man, what the hell? What is this shit? Man get out of my business. Get out of my business, exactly Like bro.
Speaker 1:So yeah, you got Got people looking at you sideways.
Speaker 2:If y'all could put all these ads for Trump and Kamala doing my YouTube videos, you could put a fucking video for Deanna.
Speaker 1:Man Talk to me.
Speaker 2:Or just it don't even have to be intricate.
Speaker 1:It could just be-. Yeah, go spend time at his ranch and do a little quick drop Right. Yeah, go spend time at his ranch and do a little quick drop right, like he's back. Why isn't somebody thought to just do some? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Some quick shots Photoshopping. Drop an adult picture of Dion when he was with Atlanta in this shoot, because outside of the one with the.
Speaker 1:what was he in In front of the Lambo or whatever it was? Yeah, Outside of that one joint, okay. But that, what storytelling is that?
Speaker 2:Like bro joint, okay, but that, what is what?
Speaker 1:storytelling is that, like bro, it could. They could have did so much, so much, bro. They could have been like yo man. Show us some of your jewelry prime time for this, or show us where you was at in your career. Or do you have any old photos? Yeah, what you were these. What was it like? Like they could have did so much. I agree with you.
Speaker 2:You have so much. You have technology to where you don't have. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You could create some type of footage for this shit, bro, and make it dope so let me ask you this then, ant so do you think so with these coveted grills? Right? Because next year the whole undefeated Jordan 4 rumor or, if it is coming out, right, whether the Nike Air?
Speaker 2:I think it's two different versions, two different versions whatever it holds to be, you know, do you?
Speaker 1:do you think that we'll continue to see this demand in the future, just based off what you and I just talked about for the newer demographic, and then bringing these grail shoes back, playstation, air Force Ones and all of these things that were once super exclusive and hard to get a hold of? You know, I'm not even hearing. Paris. Dunk is definitely on the his talks. It's not confirmed, so the Internet's don't kill me or be like oh Tico, you said no, I'm not. Nothing's safe from a re-release.
Speaker 1:We've talked about this For sure, but do you? Think it still will hold that same allure To guys our age for sure For sure, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I think it's just going to be another shoe release to everybody else. Yeah, now us. Oh yeah, I don't care that this is a 2024 or 25 playstation, I got a playstation bitch like galaxy phones, galaxy phone yeah, I don't care if you had that. Oh, I have a new pair, right it doesn't feel great.
Speaker 1:It's hella pixelated.
Speaker 2:The shit don't even glow no more can't even see this, yeah, so for me I'm happy because this is I'm able to get all these shoes that I wasn't able to that? I weren't able to get, but I don't think the hype will be in it, no more.
Speaker 1:How long do you think that'll?
Speaker 2:sustain Unless, once again, that market.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If that market dictate it's a hot shoe. Then you feel what I'm saying, Do you?
Speaker 1:still think it needs the marketing behind it, or do you think just to drop it like it is by itself, like it's going to sell, like, for example, undefeated four is going to sell regardless?
Speaker 1:we know that right just because exclusivity on it, yeah. But then price point. I think that if that shoe didn't get the same love price point-wise and it didn't go as high as it did and let's just say it was a normal burgundy 5, olive military 5 drop, lifestyle shoe fear 4 drop I don't think if it ever exceeded that price point it would have just been another inline LS Jordan yeah, I really do like if the shit didn't go to 20, 30, 40 thousand dollars, whatever it was peak.
Speaker 1:I don't believe people would be as crazy as they are over it today. I really don't look at what the happen with Fat Joe's Terror Squad Air Force One.
Speaker 2:For sure, below retail right now. Both pair, both pair. You know what I'm saying. And to us that was like God damn, we have to have the Terror Squad, yeah. But you know these kids ain't going to give a fuck about that shit, they ain't going to care.
Speaker 1:They're not going to care. Once again.
Speaker 2:people are going to try to resell them in the beginning, yep always. They're going to try to get that price, but once you realize, like bro, where that Balenciaga at, Right.
Speaker 1:Where's that Asics?
Speaker 2:Where's the Cayannos? For sure.
Speaker 1:I heard they got a glow like wu-tang dunks were 150, yes, retail. So if you're looking right now talking about size wise and resale market, you know size 10, 10 and a half. You're talking about 210, 220, yeah, 230, $220, $230.
Speaker 2:You paying retail for them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, you're going to pay $50 to $70 depending on what size shoe you wear. Some of these, even the smaller sizes, are just $20, over $180, $165, right, I think that wool is going to continue to go down. For sure It'll continue to go down and that's what I'm foreseeing. A lot of them, other ones.
Speaker 2:The linens, one of the greatest Air Force ones of all time. And people didn't come pick their pairs up Because we did a raffle for them.
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:That's what they're going for now roughly on that market, because I know yeah, linens went down Size 11 right now. Last sale was $92. I need a 10.5. What's up? Golf, no, I don't God?
Speaker 2:we're looking at this shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, $98. That's $98. And that retailed for $135. Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 2:They need to drop. What was the Air Force one? It looked like a linen, but it had like flowers in the front.
Speaker 1:Oh, the Unis, yes, yeah, from the One World Pack.
Speaker 2:For sure, retroed them for me.
Speaker 1:You know what? You bring up a great point. I would not be mad if they retro the one world pack and for those of y'all that don't know about that pack and don't want to ask, talk about yeah, I think it's. Uh, is that was a great? Unio, unio, unio, yeah, u-e-n-o, unio, sikora's 2005. So that was around the same time Nike did the One World Pack where they were going around to Paris. They went around to to Tokyo and it was basically Air Force Ones done up by artists or collaborators in that influencer, in that city or country right and you could only get them in those parts of the world.
Speaker 1:Right, this is prior to third-party markets out there. Ebay was still out there at the time. But the release like, remember, when the clots, for example, fire, yo, bring that shit back. I would wear a red and black Clot. Air Force 1 low, yeah, what Now?
Speaker 2:The clot was the one where you could burn the top layer off. It was right yeah.
Speaker 1:And red and it would burn off into black.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it came in that big ass octagon Wooden box and you probably had fucking 40 laces around that shit. Edison Chen gave you about 40 lace swap options that you could freak in that thing and that was massive.
Speaker 2:Because it was silk. It was like a silk top layer. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So all of these shoes were premium materials the Michael Liles. Yep the white on white and it was based after the padding of an inside room for like like mental health patients and shit Like oh man.
Speaker 2:Clark can't, wasn't it his.
Speaker 1:His 112s weren't a part of that, but I what was? Clark's part of it. What was the shit?
Speaker 2:Clark has something a part of that right, or am I tripping? I don't know. My brain don't work like it used to.
Speaker 1:I know it's so that stuff is so old. Let me see if I can pull some of that up. They had. I don't know if the cause was a part of that. I don't think so. It was so many in that one world pack. Was the Bucy Peas. Part of that pack, that black with the.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm talking about, right With the rainbow, the rainbow pair. Yeah, the rainbow. Yeah, was that part of that pack? Oh my God, I love that show.
Speaker 1:I know they did a.
Speaker 2:I need that show. They had the Livestrong one.
Speaker 1:Yep, and then they did an Air Force One High. Yes, Yep and then they did an Air Force One high and it was made out of like a seat belt.
Speaker 2:Remember that, oh my God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if y'all get a chance, look up Nike Air Force One and it was a one-world pack and it was just different shoes that was made up of that pack. Shout out to Jopium I got Jopium. I haven't spoken to Jopium in years. Jopium had every single one but one, and the one I think he was missing at the time was the Kobe denim low top.
Speaker 1:They did a Kobe denim low top which was nasty, nasty work. They were phenomenal. They were phenomenal, but yeah, stuff like that in a one pack, you don't. You don't see that excitement and again I guess back to rarity is like do you, do you foresee them? How long are we gonna go? Because it looks like that's what they're digging into the bag. Brands, and nike specifically, is digging into the bag and having an archive now and and do you think that they just compensating? We already talked about enough retro product, but do you think they're dropping these grail like sneakers Because now they've run out of ideas from a creative standpoint? For sure, right, you think it's now like, hey, well, what you know, what was selling back? Then let's bring them all out.
Speaker 2:Bring them all. It's for sure, stale over there.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Because, what were they calling this shit? It was the like not what were they calling it? They pull out the ball. They were calling it like not the best of, but something iconic series. There was a phrase that they coined for it Shit I just I had it and lost it, sorry, internet. Y it Shit. I had it and lost it, sorry, internet. Y'all know what I'm talking about. It's all over sneakers where they're like basically like kind of them reaching into their vintage bag.
Speaker 1:They coined this phrase. I forget for that. I'm just kind of like eh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the busy P was a part of the one world.
Speaker 1:It was a part, okay, yeah. Yeah, see, stuff's still working up there, shout out to Listen.
Speaker 2:I need a pair.
Speaker 1:I need a favorite I'll take now I'm getting into Trump. Now he's going to go back through eBay tonight. Now he's going to go add some stuff to favorites Not at this price, I don't need them. Let me rethink my bank account situation.
Speaker 2:One world will probably stay the one world for a reason. Retro that back, give me another seven years or so. Here, nike, maybe I'll be good to go.
Speaker 1:You ain't going to want them bitches for seven years. We're walking on Elon Tesla shoes and shit like that. Who knows? Yes, and it kind of takes me to this too Shout out to Frank Cooker. Frank Cooker, is he back with Jordan brand specifically, or is he back with Nike specifically? Or is he back with Nike? I think is it Nike Sportswear. I couldn't remember what Frank's title was Damn, I forgot.
Speaker 2:I remember when they announced it.
Speaker 1:I just can't remember yeah, and I can't remember who what division of Nike was.
Speaker 2:Because he got fired from Jordan Brand, right he got fired from Jordan, or let go, or whatever the case may have them.
Speaker 1:He did it and for those that don't know him, he did a lot of really cold shit. Yeah, influence on, like J Balvin's shit, nigel Sylvester's shit, frank had a hand in, ooh, that unreleased. Nigel won that black colorway of the first. Remember the tan one?
Speaker 2:Yes, it's a black colorway. You ain't never seen that one. I've never seen it before.
Speaker 1:You got to Google that. Okay, black, nigel, sylvester, air Jordan 1. But anyway, frank put out a post a few days back and I'm going to read it in quote, and I actually posted it up on our Sneaker Dad story when he did it and tagged him. But he put out a quick story post that said quote, tagged them. But he put out a quick story post that said quote.
Speaker 1:It hurt my soul, but this is the first year in my entire life and in parentheses though I never wear them where I don't care to collect a pair of jordan 11s. That shoe is literally my favorite of all time, but the cadence is getting too redundant and or maybe I'm just too old. The Columbia in quotes, colorway is a staple, but this year doesn't tug my heartstrings like they usually do. Legend blue in quotes, name included I'm sad, end quote. So he posted that and immediately when he posted that I was like yo.
Speaker 1:He basically just kind of took the words right out of my mouth and or what I was thinking, because when I heard them announce earlier was it this year or last year? Shit, the velocity that we hear information that comes out. When I heard the Columbia was dropping again and they were fixing. You know, I knew the shape was going to be fixed a little bit and I knew it was going to be fixed a little bit and I knew it was gonna have this thick ass pad leather, whatever. I was excited because that was one of my outside of concords. That columbia actually was what got me liking the leavens. Uh, believe it or not. Back in the day, uh shout out to my guy mario, uh, for having them six mile all day.
Speaker 1:But that one got me liking the shoe and I felt frank on that quote because I'm like yo that 11, now that it's here I'm not that excited about it anymore.
Speaker 1:At all like I once was and J John shout out to J John really fucked me up with the whole. I can't now unsee it when he's like yeah, man, the upper, just it shortened it so much it looked like a fake. I keep hearing his damn voice in my head as I see that every time I see the shoe down, because it does look shortened on the upper but I don't know, man thoughts on this. You $230, columbia that's dropping in December.
Speaker 2:Like have we worn out the state like the luster of? The 11, the holiday 11? I think, yeah, like the 11 don't hit like it used to, bro, because you got to look at this has been they have dropped the 11 for holiday every year since 2009 yes space, space jam 2008 came back right.
Speaker 1:They did uh, eight was the pet. That's the concord. They did concord first.
Speaker 2:No, no space jam first space jam was on nine so was it space jam first space jam was on nine, so was it space jam concord cool gray space jam cool gray concord bread, gamma, gamma. Then that's when they started doing all that yeah we like 82 and for sure, like that, yeah, yeah, because uh, okay, so oh nine.
Speaker 1:I thought it was 08, damn 09 what year was the package?
Speaker 2:08 the defining moments no, no, the countdown pack, the countdown packs 08. Those were all 08 okay, well, theoretically, 08 is the first year they dropped the 11 for Christmas, so with that, but individually by they self, 09 was the first year. So since 08 we've had 11, but individually by theyself.
Speaker 1:09 was the first year Since they started that, jumped on it back.
Speaker 2:Since 08, we've had 11 every year for Christmas.
Speaker 1:It seems it's like after you. I'm telling you, man, you're right, after you get past that initial.
Speaker 2:They've doubled. They've dropped the Space Jams twice, they've dropped the Britsabs twice, they've dropped the breads three times. Cool gray, cool gray twice, concord, theoretically three times. Oh my god, yeah, you feel what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:easy, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, it's insane didn't we at one point see two 11s in one year?
Speaker 2:yeah, multiple times. Yeah, we. What didn't? That Pantone, whatever year, the Pantones, that was a double up. That was in the same year, the year we had a white and blue and something else.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:That went like 82 and something else that year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it's lost again, because that used to be the okay. I'm going to get the family. I'm going to get the girl, I'm going to get the lady a pair. I'm going to cop a pair. We're going to rock out with these. This is the 11. It was kind of like the thing to top off.
Speaker 2:the year is like I know my kids are going to want these for Christmas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got your Christmas 11s.
Speaker 2:Now fuck, fuck, care less they don't even come out before christmas, no more, they come out beginning of the month because they used to say what you say like right before christmas, before christmas.
Speaker 1:And then you know, yeah, there was controversy with lines and the whole thing with the malls getting broken into.
Speaker 2:We haven't had a line since 2000. 2002. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I remember when BR was doing it at the old shop and it was a line for Spaceships. I want to say they took it back. They were doing midnight releases Midnight releases. Yeah, they don't even do that shit for video games, no more.
Speaker 2:Midnight releases was great.
Speaker 1:They were great. They were great.
Speaker 2:Listen, I get off work, I can go you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Go take a nap, go knock on wood.
Speaker 2:Yeah, whatever Eat and still be able to be like yeah, I'm not trying to be outside from 10 o'clock at night to 8 am.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The worst. That's why I'm about to fight. Yeah, I'm hungry, my feet hurt.
Speaker 1:I'm freezing, I'm freezing out here, I'm about to sock a nigga head off. Yep, exactly.
Speaker 2:I think I sat outside for the cool grades at Oakland.
Speaker 1:Mall.
Speaker 2:The other malls did them and they let people in and then, a year later, I sat inside Great Lakes for six hours and that's a mall. Here in Michigan. It's not a mall, it's an outlet.
Speaker 1:The outlet mall they don't even have. Well, they got like quadrants. What's the shit you walk through quadrant five? What the shit you walk through quadrant five.
Speaker 2:Like what the hell is this sector? Sector, sector 17, you like shit? That's 50 seconds on this damn ball.
Speaker 1:I sat inside great lakes crossing for six hours yeah, that's crazy yeah, because it was a midnight release but, and then again, that was all an experience, right, that was all night.
Speaker 2:It made it.
Speaker 1:Everybody's here For sure. All of us shared this one common love for all of this. Yeah, these people are down at Finish Line. I got mine down at Foot Locker here and then, yeah, it made it fun. Yeah, it made it fun.
Speaker 2:A lot of people hate lines, but lines work. They.
Speaker 1:People hate lines, but lines work. They do you feel what I'm saying? Lines work when done right. Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2:The problem comes when you're an adult and you let another adult come in front of you and your family and cut or you're a fuck.
Speaker 1:Try to line up 50 fucking chairs Bro With slumber bags, and no one's there. No playboy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like that's all Y'all really have to say. No, yeah, get your bitch ass out. Yeah, exactly, it's 50 of us, bro. Yeah, if you had to go take a piss, you not taking the first Six spots. Yeah, you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I couldn't stand that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was lame, but once that added to the culture it made stuff worthwhile. Now it's just like oh, should I go sneakers?
Speaker 1:Right on my smartphone. I'm going to enter in for 20 EQL raffles. Don't let me be a nerd.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm botting my bot, I pay 10 grand a month for service space, no problem.
Speaker 1:I put in 200 of these bitches.
Speaker 2:I got 12, so what A bot management second bought these bitches the other day, so you can tell when people have bots. You can tell Because they just buy. Sometimes it be a random shoe that get bought up, and then here come the emails Yep.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm sorry. My kid got a hold of my credit card.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, my sorry, I did. Uh, my kid. My kid got a hold of my credit card. Yeah exactly, my kid ordered. Yeah, my wife and I just broke up getting a divorce.
Speaker 1:Y'all really helped me out. You know like, oh really, I mean you ordered five, you know 50 pair of cortez. This nigga, like the fuck you take these bitches to south central where are you at, sir?
Speaker 2:but yeah, it has to. I'm not against regional releases. Again, I'm not either, because listen, don't get me wrong I'm sick in the stomach that I can't get the uh dmv phones for at a decent price. But it makes shit worth shit. You feel what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying, yeah, I just wish that it was more folks that would listen. I get it. Everybody's got budgets, everybody's got bills. I think that going into it is like it'd be cool to have that, like that's when you had homeboys you know what I'm saying In that area for show could look out, because they know you're going to look out on the next one releases in Detroit that didn't release in Philly or didn't release in Cali or whatever.
Speaker 1:Vice versa, oh shit, I got you, bro. You want those, say less yeah. And you built those relationships, the relationship building aspect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in the toilet, everybody is for themselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in the toilet and wants to make fucking $20 and be on Instagram like the man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or they trying to max out how much they man. These don't come out nowhere else. I need $200. I'm not giving you extra $200 for this phone. Fuck out of here. Yeah, no, yeah. Is that $200, making it cheaper than what I'm about to pay in a month? Yes, for sure it is, but fuck you. Yeah, agreed, agreed. Yes, for sure it is, but fuck you. Agreed. You're not about to little man me, thank you and that's kind of where I did.
Speaker 1:I wanted to shift gears a little bit here and you know talking about community, talking about influencers, and you know the community in which the youth, and anybody else for that, has to look forward to because we have pivoted to such this digital society and apps and the generation of YouTube and TikTok and this, that and the third, where everything is such an instant gratification drop, I'm personally getting kind of sick and tired of a lot. I know it's very hard and difficult to come up with content creation. Everybody can't do it.
Speaker 1:There's only so many times you can ask fucking AI to give you something new that's going to go viral, right, people's attention spans just aren't there. But what's really getting lame to me, I think, in the sneaker community, from a YouTube standpoint, that I keep happening to stumble on daily as I scroll through and get to that aimless, mindless scrolling? Of videos when you're trying to wind down Wormhole. Yeah Is the shock. Drop videos are getting lame to me with this whole predictive what I'm calling predictive information, sneaker information.
Speaker 2:Oh, when they about to have a shock drop.
Speaker 1:Like how many more motherfuckers do you need to say these threes are definitely hitting. This week? I got an inside tip. Week goes by. None of that shit happens, yeah. So it looks like we got some minutes. Then they're making a video of the video of the shock drop. Like yo, I know you're trying to buff these views up. I know you're trying to get the analytics going. I know you're trying to get the likes, the thumbs up, the viewership, but you're absolutely talking about nothing. That's helping nobody.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We know you went and spent three, four, x what the fucking shoe is worth, because you hope to make money on the backside of the ads that are going to pay for your shoe and you wanted to be ahead of the game to be the first motherfucker on YouTube with it, which you're never not. That shit always gets old to me too first, look first look on YouTube, none of that matters.
Speaker 1:It does to a degree to the person making it and all that. I get it right for viewership and content, but, like, on the other end of it is the person consuming content. Those videos are fucking hella lame. Yeah, and there's so many more of those out right now, like it's shit is getting old with this whole predictive, predictive, sneaker information model. So, like, what do you even want to have the influencers now do? Because that I'm gonna be honest and that's why I stopped back in 06, 07, because for me, my purest of pure hearts, it was getting saturated.
Speaker 2:I don't. We don't even need them. To be honest, bro, I don't. I don't need you to tell me what this shoe look like three months in advance. That's a great point in my head. I'm either going to buy this shoe or I'm not going to buy this shoe. You feel what I'm saying? It's rare that I'm borderline Like oh, I don't know, but your opinion on the internet is not going to sway you one way or the other. You feel what I'm saying Either I'm going to have money for it or I'm not going to have money for it. You feel what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:I don Ain't nobody telling me shit about the Isle of Nine to make me want this shoe Be like. Yeah, if you notice, the bottom is Swahili.
Speaker 2:It's from Welcome and it's got all of the international things. This is one of the retros that Jordan didn't play. I don't give a fuck. Either I want the shoe or I don't want the shoe.
Speaker 1:So I get where Soda is coming from like a history standpoint.
Speaker 2:all that that's dope but I don't care that you had this shoe six months ago, yeah.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:You're going to show me that shoe. I'm like, oh, that's cool. So now I have to wait six months to get that shoe. Okay, you feel what I'm saying? Yeah, but you think you've added more confusion.
Speaker 2:I'd rather look at niggas firing grills or something. You feel what I'm saying. It's a. It's a it's a car YouTube thing where this nigga just firing old ass cars in garages and they wash them. They wash them for the people. Sometimes they buy the car, sometimes they don't even buy the car, sometimes they get the car running or whatever but they will wash your car for you. You hit them up. They'll come get this bitch at this rat infested garage. They will super clean this bitch for you and then they'll give it back to you and these old heads be crying. And I haven't seen my car like this. If ever, I'd rather watch that shit than watch you goofies talk about shoes on the internet. Bro, do something that's gonna interest like. Go find man. I found some 84's at a, at a flea market.
Speaker 1:You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Restored them, did whatever, swapped them my brother had these shoes in the garage for 30 years. I'm about to take them to a customizer. He about to restore them for him. You feel what I'm saying. I'd rather look at that type of stuff, some more restoration stuff than just actual or just look at y'all buy hype shit all day.
Speaker 1:All day and compete with who's got the sexiest b-roll shots.
Speaker 2:I'm here at Sneaker Con. I'm trying to buy 30 pair of Travis Scott's.
Speaker 1:I'm here at Sneaker Con, I'm trying to buy 30 pair of Travis Scott's. Yeah, I'm spending $250,000 today at Sneaker Con Now follow me, go spend $250,000.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't give a. Yeah, run it up chat. Run it up chat. Run it up chat. Hey chat, how much are?
Speaker 1:these? How much are these? Oh really, you guys don't have any tens.
Speaker 2:I may come back and get one you want a coin flip.
Speaker 1:The coin flip. Call it in the air. You want to call it, I'll call it. What's up with these niggas? Where is the regular quarter? At Now, everybody feel like they using a fucking two-face nickel on this bitch. Yeah, like what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is my asshole on the front of his tails, and then my bitch on the side is heads. Which one you want?
Speaker 1:What kind of fucking setup is this?
Speaker 2:I feel like if you flip that bitch, it's always going to fall the way you want it to fall. And now, at all these sneakers.
Speaker 1:they bring a celebrity, oh, God, and you got to watch the celebrity walk through Like bro.
Speaker 2:And that doesn't know shit about shit, or it's like or it's PJ Tucker. I'm tired of seeing PJ Tucker, bro. You got every shoe in the fucking world bro.
Speaker 1:How many more shoes you got. Part of his contract was he wanted shoes versus kicks.
Speaker 2:It's fucking ridiculous. I understand, PJ Tucker.
Speaker 1:You have six pair of off-white fuchsia Fortes that we've never seen before, that Virgil sat in and stitched the bitches himself. You know, we understand who the fuck you, pj Tucker.
Speaker 2:You got the ones. You're a 20-year NBA player. You deserve to buy all the shoes you owe. Exactly, it was a nigga cleaning shoes. He cleaning shoes for PJ Tucker.
Speaker 1:All right, man. Yeah, the content is getting so booty. I'm just like how many shows can you do?
Speaker 2:I just rather have authentic, or people dirty up shoes on super bad on purpose to clean them. I hate that too. Oh my God, they bury something and then dig it up. Look at this shoe. We done unburied that and I saved myself $150.
Speaker 1:That's funny, no.
Speaker 2:I agree, Bro where is the authentic.
Speaker 1:You know what? It's funny? You made me think of this. I, I did find I can't remember buddy's name, and you know, shout out to him and you may. Someone that's listening it's probably like, bro, it's this guy, yeah, but it's. It's a little, uh, filipino dude I think that does these videos and I respect it. I, I stumbled, same thing.
Speaker 1:Rabbit hole, wormhole, YouTube shit. One night Fell asleep, woke up like, oh, what is this? And he goes and he hits up businesses and boutiques and resellers, but not so much to show off the stock, the inventory, the this, but to get in and ask real questions like all right, so how much did you spend last month? How did you make it? Make a lot of the people are somewhat honest right. Some of the people don't want to give their exact numbers away.
Speaker 1:But some of the muggers is like, bro, yeah, I took a hell of loss.
Speaker 1:I went and bought a shit ton of these threes and these fours hoping to come out on this end, and I paid the high, you know, because I'm thinking if I could move them and he's showing you like the math and what they're doing and a lot of times they thinking like, okay, not only do I have the pairs but I'm moving them, but even after you do all of the math and the velocity and the rate that you're moving them at, you're like under at the end and he's just showing like, oh, it's kind of like profit and loss and talking about margins and what people have to make. And his, his thing was that he goes around seeing basically people's different hustle. Everybody, every reseller, doesn't have the same hustle, right. Some get low hanging fruit stuff, right.
Speaker 1:Some are playing the GS field where, you know, grade school is a lot more than men's based off of the margins or hey, if I go and make X store a deal off of these whatever's that don't sell at their costs, just to get them out there, I can make this. So it's interesting seeing like the plays of like different people and how they're consuming market and where they fall, and because if that's you tell it, you cut it on. Now it just looks like oh, you got to be the first to buy the hype shit and for sure.
Speaker 1:Sales fingers crossed. That ain't how a lot of these people in God's name make money, even when they're at shows. They were showing people at these like sneaker cons and big events like man shit. I pay for travel. I pay for three of my employees to be here. It's a two day event so I had to buy their lunch. I had to pay their time outside of the store. I paid for fucking six tables and gas to get here. By the time I factored all that shit in versus what we sold, I barely broke, even for the weekend. It's like did we even get you know?
Speaker 1:was it worth it was it worth it, right? Yeah, so I respect more content like that because it just brings awareness to like the younger kids and the youth that think like, oh, I'm to be a reseller Makes you kind of think twice.
Speaker 2:Because it shows, bro, it's not for everybody, correct?
Speaker 1:Definitely not for the faint of heart.
Speaker 2:You 12-year-old, who your company is being funded by your daddy who don't know nothing about shoes? You feel what I'm saying and that's where the problem really came from shoes. You feel what I'm saying and that's where the problem really came from. It was you know these, these, uh, suburban kids, or even hood kids, whatever? Yep, you know they, they, everybody had an influx of cash and they're seeing dollar signs like bro, you sold that duck for how much? Oh shit, well, I'm about to. You feel what I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm saying what if I buy five of them? What if I buy ten of them?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but now it's a hundred. It's a hundred of you niggas. Yes, y'all can only sell to so many people, and everybody's at the same event with the same shit, with the same shit, with the same shit. Yeah, like bro, I'm Right, I don't even go to them no more, because it's like bro, y'all don't even got shit, I won't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and if you did it would be up the fucking ass hole and you're not gonna even want to work with you to get off. Damn fam, you really want to walk away and take this shit home with you. Fuck it, okay, right.
Speaker 2:It used to be sneakerheads, like when you threw your event. It was to help people out. Yeah, if you guys, you got some shit to get rid of, sell it for the lows. We got people here wanting to buy shit. You feel that's it at reasonable prices, that's it. We not here to make six thousand dollars. You feel what I'm saying to clean some space.
Speaker 1:We're not here to get rid of travis's and shit like that.
Speaker 2:we're here to try to get rid of these up-tempos and people walked away happy yeah, like yo.
Speaker 1:I got a really cool pair. I had people that were there showing me like yo, bro, yeah, I picked these up over here. You know, j John got a few pairs off, whatever they was like yo and I was like, damn, these are dope. How much for these Shit? 40 bucks. I didn't even know those was over there, I'm so busy talking to my vendors and talking to people that's there, I didn't even have a chance to look.
Speaker 1:that was there it was sweet as shit, I was like oh damn, I missed out myself, trying to not fuck around, but yeah you're right, that's what it's supposed to be about.
Speaker 1:And the kids came and got blessed. It was a family that came in there and brought seven kids. All seven of the kids walked out with pears and I'm not even bullshitting. I want to say it wasn't like these pears were cooked or anything was beat at this table. She walked out of there. I'm not exaggerating probably under $200 for all seven of them. Shoes.
Speaker 2:Seven kids' shoes, and that's what it's about $250. I don't think she spent $250.
Speaker 1:Now that I'm thinking about, it. That's what it's about, bro All the kids walked out happy as could be yeah.
Speaker 2:I got all these shoes, but when I have an opportunity to give away shoes, I do it at the drop of a dime Because I don't wear all this shit. A lot of this shit I bought because it was impulse buy it was temporary happiness.
Speaker 1:You know how we do.
Speaker 2:We're bored God damn, I'm going to wear the fuck out of these them bitches is dusty as hell you feel what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:It's never to make profit. Don't get me wrong. I do my selling. Sometimes that's part of the game. Once that shit sat in the crib and the collector does, you feel what I'm saying? You can have these bitches. I told my little brother if something ever happened to me, bro, get rid of this shit, get rid of it. Take what you want. Take what you want and sell this shit. I don't care if you sell this shit for a hundred dollars a shoe. Yep, you gonna leave with about 30,000.
Speaker 1:Get it, you feel what I'm saying yes, I do, yes, I do you feel what I'm saying You're right, Because at the end of the day it's just stuff. It's just that shit right.
Speaker 2:So this shit just helps me from jumping off the roof. Yeah, he gets it. Exactly, that's it. It's our temporary happiness that brings us together For sure.
Speaker 1:We can kind of get away from it a little bit. I Get away from it a little bit. I mean, everybody's got their vice right.
Speaker 2:Everybody has their vice. I don't do drugs, I don't drink, but I'm about to fuck out of some shoes. Exactly.
Speaker 1:Right, that's our drug and I guess, as we wind this down this is one other thing I guess I think I had With us moving and internets we will have our top ten shoes of the year for mcfly and myself, and then our top five.
Speaker 1:I think we're calling them misses of the year for sure. Uh, that just were complete ass and don't know why they came out. So that list and those will be out shortly, I think, probably by the time we do our next show, if not the show just after thanksgiving holiday. I think we'll roll.
Speaker 2:I think I want to go with after uh, after yeah, so probably top of december. Think we'll roll with it. I think I want to go with after After yeah, so probably the top of December yeah.
Speaker 1:We'll get that out to the streets. But as we finish out this year and we move into 2025, new calendar year and we see everything else in the world go up. Fucking inflation is crazy, housing, food, everything's ridiculously priced. Air is expensive to breathe, everything. Um, do we expect sneaker prices to only get higher as we move to the new year with with what we know already from?
Speaker 1:and again, this is a one-off of jordan one, yeah, black and red ones of 250, first time a granite. I take that back. Let me take that back first time. I don't want to say that because there was that, uh, besides dior's, which we're not going to really count, that one because it's not a real general release thing. But that, uh, thousand dollar, I forget that. One dollar, five hundred dollar, it's like fake crock. Remember that Jordan did like the gold buckles on that shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was up there right in price, but more so from an inline, because I want to say they only made so many quantities of those but a coveted shoe such as a black and red Jordan 1 being $250, jordan 11s $230, foam posits at 250. You know what came out? That was at $300? Something else? 17's 17's right, that are at $300.
Speaker 2:300, yeah.
Speaker 1:I personally don't foresee the market coming down retail price. I foresee another price hike happening in Jordan 1s. We were at $160 Jordan 1s. Now Jordan 1s are $180 retail price. I can foresee them kicking it up $10 more. We're seeing that. Remember we had a discussion earlier in the year around that funky-ass $215 price.
Speaker 2:Maximum 30s is $220.
Speaker 1:Okay, now we're hiking up extra $55. Price Blacksman 3s is $220. Okay, now we're hiking up extra $5 on those. So I don't foresee it coming down. Kobe's, everything else. I see everything continuing to go up in sneakers. I think it's just Air Maxes have gone up. Air Max 1s have gone up Fuck.
Speaker 2:I think it's just one of them things where, yeah, everything is just. You know, I remember video games was $40.
Speaker 1:You can't buy one that's $100. $80, $100. And now, like I told you, with 2K, they didn't even offer the. What was it? They didn't offer that mid-tier one. I think it was flat out like the $70 board or $150.
Speaker 2:You want the broke nigga one. You want the shit with all the shit in it yeah exactly. Yeah, I think it's just gonna keep going up. You feel what I'm saying? Because I think what's gonna happen is quantities is gonna get.
Speaker 1:Which they have reduced.
Speaker 2:Quantities is gonna get cut and prices is to probably go up.
Speaker 1:I will say I don't see how that helps anything, because everything is just going to go on sale like it does now everything is going to go on sale. The quote unquote hype shit will always be hype shit and it'll always move and it'll always be a third party market of some sorts.
Speaker 1:I foresee a lot of could be completely wrong and I'm not saying it's going to jump off in 2025, but as we approach the future here, I foresee third-party markets getting consolidated, meaning I can imagine a GOAT or Stadium Goods or eBay or whoever clicking up and, as opposed to having this competitive nature, I foresee one company being able to buy out another.
Speaker 2:For sure.
Speaker 1:You know For sure, and we only now as opposed to having the several different big names, or five big names, if you want to call it that for resale for our platform.
Speaker 2:It's probably going to end up you platform it's probably gonna end up, you know, maybe end up to to ebay versus uh stock x at that, yeah if that I?
Speaker 1:I just something tells me like I think ebay is so big at this point where they can't go nowhere because they sell everything you could buy a fucking car, motorcycle burn, rubber hats yeah when you start to look in the world of not even just sneakers but collectibles, and how all of these platforms now have gotten smart to now lump that in yeah because it's just not the sneaker community anymore, for sure you, we talked about this with that whole. I don't know if that wasn't your favorite shoe, but like the Tekken that shit sold out bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that shit is reselling like crazy, right? The Tekken phone posits it's a niche community, exactly, and you brought your gamer into it. So now your gamer gets exposed to sneakers more so when you start doing crocs collabs with you know, uh, fucking simpsons characters, yeah, and uh shit like that, right? Or you or you start doing the adidas with all the star wars stuff and you bring your movie goers right and that that audience now into it right now it's. It's not just one thing, it's almost like you're building your.
Speaker 2:Every year, adidas drop a Grinch shoe and they sell out instantly, instantly, because people love the Grinch.
Speaker 1:Right, mickey Mouse, disney, something with Disney.
Speaker 2:For sure Some.
Speaker 1:Pixar movie For sure Something is like the corniest shit you and I personally would ever wear Hello Kitty.
Speaker 2:Still moving, still moving is like the corniest shit. You and I, you and I.
Speaker 1:Personally hello kitty, hello kitty, still moving, still moving. So they're playing at the heartstrings and the emotions of like, hey, you need all of these things in one to complete your set. You need the bear brick, you need the watch, you need the fucking clothes, you know, you need the sneaker, you need the accessory piece right, you need the Funko Pop, you need the collectible card, you need the vinyl and the gaming thing. You need it all and it shit, don't stop.
Speaker 2:It becomes a monster, it becomes a monster the vinyl of vocals from the episode right right and it becomes I don't know if you hip to that you hip to that the vinyl of vocals from the episode Right Like what?
Speaker 1:And it becomes. I don't know if you're hip to that. You're hip to that series Silo at all Apple TV you fucking with that yet, yeah, yeah. It becomes a silo where now all these things become these relics. You know it leads into the future and, like now, this shit will be coveted to where oh, what was that? You know For wear.
Speaker 2:Oh, what was that? You know For sure. I don't know man, I be seeing myself almost getting addicted to stuff Shoes and women is my addiction Is my limit. I can't get into nothing else. I can't get into something else. I'm cooked. I'm gonna get into that. That was. I can't get into those. I was. I'm cooked. I'm going to be selling shit. Super washed Lord.
Speaker 1:Super washed Lord, you will have a chance. You will have a chance.
Speaker 2:I'm already mad about this house. So thank you. So yeah, oh my God Right.
Speaker 1:So I don't know it's an, it's, but listen, great show. I just think that you know, hold your head out there. I see those comments in the DM. We appreciate folks reaching out, showing love, reposting the show, you know, giving us topics or some food for thought or some things to think about and for the consistent viewers, man.
Speaker 1:The thing I can say about our audience is that consistency. Whenever we're consistent and we put out our listeners I'm talking about within minutes I hit y'all with a double banger. This week we got some back to back the latest show just for kicks already posted. So if you haven't checked out that show that we did a little over a week ago, that's available now and we'll drop this, drop this week as well too. But yeah, make it fun, man, make it fun. Wear the shit that's in your means, in your possession. Don't try to wear shit for nobody else. Like really, we say that all the time, but like, enjoy what you have. I did so much digging this past week, gave away a couple pairs, sold quite a few pairs too, so be on the lookout for that. There's pairs that I'm letting go Just to make space, just to get stuff Same kind of thing you were talking about, ant just to get stuff done.
Speaker 1:And I wouldn't hit nobody over the head. I was hitting people at retail with tax prices shipped. Yeah, I just want them gone, for sure, you know. So any last words for the for the internet man, before we call it.
Speaker 2:Listen, man. Stay safe out here. Stop debating these fools on the internet. Man, it's a lot of idiots. Listen before we go.
Speaker 1:No, you got it, you got it, you got it.
Speaker 2:This is stupid as shit. I'll probably see it in a minute. So it's a picture of the niggas from Fox NFL Sunday on a ship, so I guess the National Anthem is playing. Three of them got their hands on their hearts. Michael Strahan is just standing there with his hands folded to the front.
Speaker 1:He ain't throwing up no Illuminati signs or shit like that, he's just sitting there.
Speaker 2:These fools and you know the fools I'm talking about are on the internet trying to, first off, disrespecting Michael Strahan, but secondly, trying to get him fired from his job because he didn't have his hand over his heart. And I'm like, bro, there's no rule that you have to put your hand over your heart for the uh fucking national anthem. You start to put your hand over your heart for the pleasure legions. Secondly, this patriotism. He, he comes from uh a family. He's a uh, what is it called? Uh um something brat, uh, army brat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's an army brat.
Speaker 2:Yes, like bro, so he's. You have no reason to disrespect the flag. It irritated me so bad, but I didn't debate with these fools. I just looked at it and it was just like bro, y'all are idiots bro.
Speaker 1:People have nothing better to fucking do.
Speaker 2:First world problem trolls. But yeah, man, don't debate these fools out here. They're idiots and listen. If y'all got some DMV farms 10 and a half 11, 10 and a half 11 at a reasonable price, I'm willing to pay 4. I got 4 for you. 4 American dollars, you got them American Crispy. I even pay for shipping.
Speaker 1:No, $4 American dollars. Yep, you got them American, you got them Crispy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, listen, I don't even pay for shipping.
Speaker 1:Shipping.
Speaker 2:You feel what I'm saying. So that's what like $4.15?.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they ain't doing nothing but sitting in people's closets right now.
Speaker 2:Holler at me, bro, I'm not trying to spend $6. Yeah, hook a player up. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Take care of the man, but it's holiday season.
Speaker 2:Be safe out here, people Please be, safe. Take care of your family. Stay out of bullshit, man. You know and you know. Don't overspend. That's one thing. Don't go into debt trying to please people for Christmas. It's not worth it. Second that one, it's not worth it at all. Second that one.
Speaker 1:Get your deals on, that's right you already know you speaking to mr retail or less, get your deal on mr retail or less.
Speaker 2:Y'all should see, don't be scared to buy somebody a crock pot or something.
Speaker 1:There you go there, you go Buying some sheets. You dirty ass, switch your sheets out, nasty. I know a lot of y'all still sleeping in last week's sheets Ain't even washed them, shit, so I'm supposed to wash these bitches weekly. Yes, yes, nigga, you shed skin like a snake, you nasty bastard. That's why that rash is on your face.
Speaker 2:That's why that ringworm popped up my nigga's toothpaste the essentials. Niggas don't be having the essentials. That's the problem in life. Start buying the essentials. Start buying shampoos, face washes, all that A brush Washcloths.
Speaker 1:A brush Shampoo, buy some towels.
Speaker 2:Yeah, buy some drawers. Stop buying deodorant with aluminum in it. Buy some drawers. Yeah, buy some drawers. Stop buying deodorant with aluminum in it. Oh my God, because that gives you cancer. That gives you cancer.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's exactly it. Ladies. Watch them bras with the wire fillers in there and those spandex, let them hang Just let them hang for the win.
Speaker 2:Take care of yourself, man. That's the problem.
Speaker 1:Health is health, niggas buying all this Truly sick.
Speaker 2:Listen man, I've been going to the gym. I've been like a month and a half in.
Speaker 1:My back.
Speaker 2:Don't hurt, no more. My hip don't hurt, that's loosening up. Listen, I might come out of retirement to hoop one game next year. Oh listen, that's confidence, right there. I got to play my pops one time before. One time. One time he be talking crazy, yeah.
Speaker 1:Driveway ball is definitely a necessity. Full court maybe not, so Nah.
Speaker 2:For sure. I got maybe a three-on-three half court to 15 in me.
Speaker 1:Oh you say, to 15. I'm more of like a seven guy right now. Maybe win by two, maybe.
Speaker 2:Maybe 12. But I only got one game. I'm seven and out. Once that game over, I am to the crib, to ice bath. Too many of you old motherfuckers be trying to play like you ain't got to get up in the morning and go to work. Listen, achilles are snapping at an all-time high. At an all-time high, bro. Inflammation is real.
Speaker 1:Internet Inflammation is real and on that note, man, we're going to get up out of here.
Speaker 2:Ant, thanks again. No problem, man, Internet man.
Speaker 1:Appreciate y'all each and every week. Again, if you're not following the Sneaker Dads podcast on Instagram, we're over there at the Sneaker Dads podcast. We're on Twitter. We're on X over there. Definitely, shout us out. Look at the Sneaker Dads and man Peace.