What is Trauma Resolution Therapy? Interview with Michael Gurevich, MD

Michael Gurevich, MD, a holistic psychiatrist with decades of holistic experience practicing in Glen Cove, New York, shares his unique and valuable expertise on Trauma Resolution Therapy, an effective method for helping people resolve traumas rapidly and effectively. 

Learn what caused Dr. Gurevich to turn to alternative techniques to help his psychiatric patients and how Trauma Resolution Therapy became a powerful tool for recovery in his practice. In this podcast, he shares an amazing vignette about a patient who rapidly healed from childhood trauma from this approach that will astound you. In addition, he shares other psychiatric diagnoses that conventional psychiatry has difficulty resolving that can heal rapidly through this approach.

Bio: Michael Gurevich, MD, is a holistically minded psychiatrist, board-certified in Psychiatry and Addiction Psychiatry, and a Certified Acupuncturist. His expertise encompasses various integrative treatment modalities, particularly for complex psychiatric cases unresponsive to conventional medicine. Notably, he has developed methods for weaning patients off psychotropic medications. You can find out more about him and contact him at HolisticMD.org.

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Today we're gonna talk about a topic called trauma resolution therapy. From a holistic psychiatrist whom I have been friends with for a long time. His name is Dr. Michael gurvich. And he is a board certified psychiatrist. He is a certified acupuncturist. I'm really grateful for Dr. gurvich for coming onto my podcast and sharing his valuable time. He is a very holistically minded psychiatrists he's board certified in psychiatry, addiction psychiatry. He's a certified acupuncturist. His expertise encompasses various integrative treatment modalities, particularly for complex psychiatric cases unresponsive to conventional medicine. Notably, he has developed methods for weaning patients off psychotropic medications. That's why we've known each other for a long time. And I've referred many people to Dr. gurvich who had access to his care. So welcome, Dr. Grow Rich for being on this podcast. I'm really glad that you're here. Thank you very much for inviting and I enjoyed or friendship for a long time, chance to learn from you a lot. And and you are brilliant in what you do. Thank you a couple of occasions there the chance to cover for your patients, which was a religious experience. Oh, well, we'll have to talk about that after the podcast. I'm curious what's interesting about it, then not too many psychiatrists who call themselves holistically minded, say guy is also I guess we're kind of brother and sister. Yes, yes. That's wonderful. So I would love to, you know, start off by asking you to introduce yourself to the audience. Tell them a little bit about yourself and your background and whatever you're happy to share. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I emigrated from Lithuania in 1982. And then was lucky to pass my boards. I'm sorry, was lucky to get to get the exams too. And basically got into the field of psychiatry. And I thought I found myself and I was very happy. In my residency, I get some fellowship time. And but then when I began working in my private practice, very soon, I learned that my patients are not getting better. And that was a big, big blow to my ego and to every single day expected from doing the war. So begin to explore what else is there as a fence, the first thing which came with Kim at that time, that was Elliot, Elliot 90s It was a regular acupuncture, ear acupuncture. And that was the first thing that I learned that there is some other form of medicine to help people who are suffering from all kinds of issues. And at the time, I was taking care of substance abuse patients on a psychiatric unit and on an outpatient unit. And they keep relapsing you know, I would do every single day know about a past my board but they keep relapsing no matter what. So that was a big, big kind of tool for me. And so so so and because things were not going well with my conventional medicine, I burn out and I began to look what else is that it was amazing how many, many different treatments are there? How many different helpers there, which is beyond psychiatric field. And then my my goal was to integrate it. And and I was at one point in going to so many, so many retreats and meetings with my wife threatened to divorce me you I know that you're a very intellectually curious doctor who's very, very open to other people's work. I know that back in the early I think in the around 2005, or six was when we first met because you were very curious about what I was doing as a holistic psychiatrist in Maryland, you traveled all the way to my practice, to learn about some of the energy testing methods that I was doing at that time. So you're definitely coming every corner of the country, trying to figure out how to be a better doctor at that time, you know, so I really respect you for that. Thank you. At that time, there were not so many people who were really in this field, integrative psychiatry was very, very rare. So I was eager to see what you were doing and kind of observing you in what you do was quite amazing. So thank you for giving me the opportunity. Thank you. And, and one of the mentors that have met Dietrich, clean heart, he was a German trained physician who kind of developed this field of integrative biological medicine, who was practicing teaching it here in the United States. So actually, I learned a lot from him. And one of the methods, so we may talk a little bit about it was neurotherapy is an injections of local anesthetics. And that is to help to balance autonomic nervous system. And the time I didn't know it. So first of all, this method has been around for about, quote, now close to 100 years. But later, when I found out that, that applying it to psychiatry was contraindicated in this metal, but unfortunately, I learned too late. By that time, I already was doing it for about five, six years. So So I knew that it works and works wonders. And so I began to do more and more integration. One of the injection there is called stellate ganglion injection. And in the neck, there is this ganglia, or nerve block, which is controls every single ad above our diaphragm. And it's a main place where people kind of hold their emotions. And actually, this particular injection is done by anesthesiologist. And who know nothing about psychiatry, you know, nothing about muscle testing. So they kind of randomly do it is a right side or left side, they were getting a reasonably good results. So so so that's what kind of that was a big opening for me how to integrate this injection, then I learned about some other injections, how to integrate them, and how to be able to help people to resolve the issues. Well, I know I and maybe some of the people listening to the podcast will have questions about the differences between what you're using in terms of injections and as an anesthetic and what is kind of popular nowadays with ketamine infusions and things like that. So it's also an anesthetic and I just wondered, what you use as an injection and how is it different from the other forms of you know, treatment right now using anesthetic based substances. So, I use ketamine as well in cold a user the form of their call, ketamine assisted, assisted psychotherapy, and then basically consists of on the first meeting given giving people injection into their shoulder, for example, and then I give him a relatively small doors of this general anaesthetic, which put them into alternate state of consciousness. And when people are in the state of consciousness, they can access the information there throughout much that they may not even be aware of. And then under, let's say my guidance, and I will talk to them asking what's happening, how they're doing that as a whole process, how to prepare for the meeting and how to conduct it. And it helps them to resolve some of the issues. And then usually it was that I follow it, giving them an opportunity to do it at home, two to three times a week consulting, that's a very good method as well. So but neurotherapy, the way I do it, and the way most neuro therapists do it, is with a short acting, local anesthetic, called hurricane on okay. And this method actually, pretty widely used in German, Spanish speaking countries, it was developed around the early 1920s. Kind of at the same time, in Russia and Germany, and kind of each country has its own name, but they're essentially doing the same thing. And this method was applied to a conditions, which are kind of which conventional medicine failed to fewer. And the method allows to resolve a number of difficult physical conditions, and applying it to psychiatry, when they talk about it. It's a it's a, it's a very effective tool. And I can explain, you know, why it's so what I understand is that, because so many patients weren't being helped, they were relapsing, even on medications that you learn how to use, despite all of the board certifications and training that you had, you went on a huge journey of searching for other answers for your patients, which is really admirable. And you came across this method that you found extremely effective for those patients that you work with and helping them overcome traumas. Now. I think one thing that might be helpful for those who don't understand the connection between trauma, and like serious mental illness, is very helpful for you to explain, because I believe in my journey in in looking at holistic medicine, that these traumas really do have a very strong physiological or biochemical effect on the body and the neurotransmitters but I wanted to have you share your insight about how trauma resolution can then be connected to maybe psychiatric resolution, or how does it improve the psychiatric condition of patients that made you so excited about that method, versus what you were taught, which is psychopharmacology? So those circle pharmacology, I'm still using for those very difficult patients. And of course, I'm using it when people come to me on 578 medications, so you cannot stop them right away. Of course, it's a very, it's a very slow process kind of getting them well, then you can gradually gradually decrease medications one at a time. And many people kind of take a chance they stop their medications right away, they go into withdrawal, they get into hospitals, or kind of difficult, so I need to discipline them, wait until you get well and then it would be no issue to get you off medications. I believe that. Yeah. And that's what that's what we do. So basically, early in my life as a psychiatrist when I learn about acupuncture, and learn about this additional system of communication that our body has, which is energetic system, which which we know that acupuncture meridians are those channels that carry this energy, and this energy carries extremely fast from one place to another. And this energy is helping us to be connected on multiple levels. So we we we of course have or we have at least two nervous system one is a central nervous system in our head, and then as a call out anomic nervous system, which is basically in our body, and every body organ has its own way of controlling whatever is happening, let's say heart has several different system which are kind of almost like independent from each other, controlling their heart rhythm, but they are communicating with each other. And there is a communication, some with our central nervous system. But primarily, most of the control happens in sight of the heart, or our gods, they have their own outcome nomic nervous system, which is very even different from the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system, which we know about. But neurotherapy kind of the idea deals with this outer anomic nervous system, which controls all the functions in our body, including including our emotions, and what's happening through his eyes, when we go through life, inevitably, all of us, we have certain stresses, we have certain dramatic experiences, and how we respond to those experiences is different. Some people kind of look at them, they, they, they, they process that, and they let it go. And some people kind of don't want to know what happened with them. And they can oppress their emotions, but meaning they store them somebody's energy because this is energy, they store it somewhere in our body, or they suppress emotions, meaning they they are aware that they would say they don't want to talk to their spouse but but they're trying to avoid it in all kinds of ways to cope suppression so once again, get stored somewhere in our body. Or let's say a woman was raped or molested. So basically those emotions are being stored usually in the pelvic area. So the body develop this storing places. And what's what's interesting is that every energetic organ according to Chinese, and then not noticing 5000 years ago, every energetic organ, which which carries on mostly to the physical body, stores a particular set of emotions, let's say leave us those emotions of frustration, anger, or stomach, those emotions of anxiety fear. So, so basically, using muscle testing, and you know, well about muscle testing, we can talk about it a little bit using muscle testing or some other techniques, we can find where emotions are stored, there is a tables off of what particular emotions every organ is store story. And it basically we consume muscle this, yes. Okay, am I too far? Well, can you give where people can find that information? Like, where the emotions are stored in different organs? Do you know? Yeah, I have a table. I recently for example, I so so I took these courses with Dietrich clean heart. But recently, I found this by Bradley Nelson, who has this book called Emotional court. So he also identified very similar kind of table of emotions is much smaller than what I'm using. And if you like, later on, I can show where and which organs stores work. Water motion. Yeah, I'm familiar with a book. So it's Brad Bradley Nelson's Emotion Code. They also that book is kind of nice, because it also teaches people how to do the sway test, which is a rough, you know, way to do some entity testing. It's a good book for for things, but I forgot that it had a table of where the emotions are stored, does, it's a pretty simple, pretty simple table. And because I read it just recently, you know, he talks about using magnets and this is one of my, my staple gets attached to them. So it's a magnet, and he shows very simple way how to resolve their motions using the magnets kind of like so it's an interesting approach, kind of, I think, using a bit more advanced method of death. So the body stores those emotions. Let me give you an example because it just the patient which just came just a couple of weeks ago, very interesting young fellow, he said 22, one of CO owners of the store, and this fellow is an interesting one. So, at the age of six months, he was given vaccination and, and he became unconscious, he fell into coma for several weeks. But his parents were kind of very, very conventional people. So, at the age of six, they brought him for another vaccination. And once again, he felt in a coma for another few days. He leaves he explained to me that at the age of 12, they broke into pediatrician office, who wanted to give him vaccination again. And he began to find this nurse. So they call for nurses required to give this guy and they give him personation. Again, they lost all his hair, he developers several out in young conditions. The kids in school, of course, being bullying him, you know, 12 years old, it's somebody who lost his hair. So he could not even be go to school or have normal relationships. And so he became extremely angry. So he came to me asking to help him with his anger and frustration, telling that he's a good guy, but he feels like killing people around him because it's difficult that she doesn't know how to interact with people. So by doing just simple muscle testing right away, I found two places on on his on his shoulders, where they were tenacious, were given the gave him simple injections with protein, what is protein? It's a local anesthetic, which, which dentists quite often use, it should it works for a short time. So you give him this very short injection just once you see in each arm, it was very painful. And she began, the rage just came. She was just became so rageful, you know, it was begin to begin to scream. It was it was I given those injections many times, that was clearly over the board. So I come shut down. And then I gave him some additional. I knew that his his frustration and anger in his labor. So I gave him some injections there. And then I found out that on his right side, there is this stellate ganglion. Give him a little bit there. And they step back. And he was asleep. He was asleep. fall asleep. Did you actually gave the injection in the liver or just the liver meridian? No, no, it's okay. Okay. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. That the injections? Yes. It's, it says subcutaneous injection. So it's a very, very, very safe, it's under the skin. under the skin, you give a little bit of off of this procane, maybe point five CC. So it's very easy to do. It's very safe. The side effects are extremely, extremely rare. So it's a very safe method. And you can find the point where inject because because even if you take your hand you can feel whether whether your fingers get stuck. So so it is so called interference here. Okay, and then kind of push a little bit there. So basically this fellow just for listening, she was, I mean, after half an hour, I came to him, I said that she's unconscious, I wake up. I call him next day, and she told me, I feel so calm next day, you know, it was so unusual for him to feel that way. So actually, I think it was on Wednesday, he came again. And this time when I gave him this injections, once again this anger came, but much less much less. And then this story is which I told you when he was 12 years old. He recounted this story about what happened to him. So So that's kind of I mean, his reaction, of course, is very, very strong, but but they do see those reactions very often. It's interesting that this particular patient reacted by kind of a release a release of the energy, you know, yes, of the anger. And I just wonder if that's a universal principle, because I find that when I'm doing energy work for anything, like you're doing even the gentlest kind of energy work for trauma, if you were to muscle tested, or energy testing, there's always a release of some kind, like a detox of some kind, you know, emotionally or, or in terms of toxins that accumulate in the body. What do you think about that? Because, yeah, I absolutely 100% agree with Oh, really, basically, it's all we all are. And, you know, if you're not about nuclear physics, you know, there is nothing here to see it. It's happiness. However, we, we, we see what we see, so, but it's all energy is just being released. And if this energy is stored, it clearly this repressed suppressed emotions, whatever negative stuff, it causes emotional and physical issues. So to me, our goal is to help people to resolve it. And with that, you can help them to resolve their physical and emotional issues. Help them to become more happier. People. Yeah, I have a question for you. Sure. All right. So how the individual who, you know, I work with energy work, and she's on a lot of different supplements and things like that. But her problem, I think, and I've been working on that as well, is that she has problems with the genetics and the enzymatic metabolic process of detoxification. So let's just assume the energy testing is accurate. And she has problems with the ability to create sufficient amounts of glutathione. Okay, she also has other problems, she was like, in utero, she was exposed to line. So she was born with line, and it had a really prolonged and harmful effect on her. But one of the things that I've noticed is that, let's say if we work on trauma, or we work on, you know, helping her heal with anything, she always has a detox effect, and it always is felt as a very difficult process. So it doesn't matter how you do it. But in terms of people who have problems with detoxification, what are your thoughts about novel ways to help them detox more gently so that they don't suffer so much? So so, you know, like, every method has its limitations, so So neurotherapy, as well, we would need to examine how we can give some series of injections that say poor, around the Libra area, which, which then corresponds with our autonomic nervous system, which controls the liver, and that may in some way improve. So literally, like you could provide a kind of an anesthetic effect with detox, and maybe decrease the problem. Yeah, okay. So let me step back a little bit, what neurotherapy does and how it works. So basically, the way it was that basically, it produces the short reset of the autonomic nervous system function, and short reset of communication between the autonomic nervous system and central nervous system and the endocrine system. Okay. It's like if our computer got frozen, so what we do we reset the computer hoping that after that, it will start working again, but quite often it does. So the same principle is here. It helps to reset and retain the communication which supposed to be normal kind of going up and down. I mean, our autonomic nervous system since 80% of their communication to that central nervous system, or when it communicates with its central nervous system. 80% of communication goes from the autonomic nervous system to the central nervous system and central nervous system sends about only 20% of it. information. For example, you cannot tell your heart, it's very difficult if you know how to meditate, how to be slower, or how to be more fast, because it is under control of the autonomic nervous system in the heart. However, if we have a negative emotions, and we become anxious, you know, so we develop palpitations, or if we run fast, so So the heart begins to beat. So there is a communication in the body, when this communication gets disturbed, then we get into problems. So with this particular patient, of course, you know, I'd say it's a complicated case. So where it can help, it may be able to help some of the some of the issues with the regulation of the lever. But of course, there is a big place, we'll play all kinds of supplements, if she had to add into the unit and you, you can live and they do see those patients. So they respond well, this is another method that they do, they respond well to IV therapy, intravenous therapy with with ozone and ultraviolet blood irrigation, I can explain more about it. But that's another method that can be very helpful. Yeah, I'm listening to you and trying to figure out ways without having to inject anything. Listen, I would love to invite you to show you the awesome very, very simple methods of injection example, I just mentioned, major outer community, really big. Outdoor meaning itself can really take this block. So the method consists of an it's an old, old old methods, probably 100 years old, it consists of taking some blood flow from the vein, injecting this blood in the back with a normal Salone solution and adding their ozone. Ozone is a very active form of oxygen, it says three atoms of oxygen together, which doesn't stay along for which stays together a very short time. So it has a lot of energy, you mix it together well. And then it goes back into patient vein. And it passes through a level Machine which irradiate ultraviolet light. And that is energy this is this is your own stuff. So there is no no possibility for allergic reaction. And this is this is your own body begins to react and help you to resolve a lot of autoimmune issues and infection issues. Yeah, I actually this very patient was introduced to a doctor who does this very thing. And she just tried to this past week, I think he called it auto chemotherapy. Yeah, you can, you can go something that you can do if you don't have all the equipment. And this another method called minor out accumulated minor meaning small. So that basically, and this is the old method, I remember it was used on my mother or I have seen it being back in Soviet Union is basically taking a little bit of blood from the vein about one to 10 cc and injecting kebap into your buttock, or more elegant along the spine. There is so called Blood meridian, which is acupuncture meridian, and it connects with all other acupuncture meridians, and that, once again, it helps body to restore its normal ability to communicate and to resolve a lot of different autoimmune issues. Yeah, I think auto immune issues is something that's come to my attention, as I've developed as a holistic psychiatrist, because there's so many different ways in which the immune system can get a little bit confused as to what is self and what is non self, you know, over the course of so much exposure, especially to medications and things like that, so, right, right. Absolutely. This is and it's It's a it's a simple, elegant method, it helps with a lot of infections. Nowadays, it's a very important one. Because because we had the quality epidemic, and many people have long call it. And so they should be fun number of people I did this ninja outer commodity therapy for some minor outdoor and commodity therapy. And that does help to resolve those long standing qualities, which is I'm sure you have seen also patients who have significant psychiatric issues because of their right. Yeah. Which really helps people to understand that psychiatric issues isn't just, you know, in the ether somewhere that there is a connection between inflammation and our psychological and emotional state. Yeah, absolutely. So with this trauma resolution therapy, using the procane, or do you use lighter Novocaine? Okay, it's the same thing. Okay, working on lowercase. One is brand. So using that? Do you use that on all your patients with trauma? Or do you have some other favorite techniques you like to use to help with trauma resolution? What's interesting with this method, I kind of it's more more, more involved. So neuro therapy is a component of psychiatry, so it's hard. So. So basically, one of the things that, let's say, when I'm next to the patients, I'm in the field of patients, and I'm doing my muscle testing, and I do it, I don't, don't do it with patient hands, they kind of do it with my finger. Yeah, so so this is much easier. And it requires for me or, for you, I'm sure to be in the patient field. So when you're in the patient's field, and you can think about what's happened, you got home, or whatever bills are not paid? Because then you lost. Yeah, yeah. So you're completely in the patient field. And when you're in the patient field, you become sort of a mind reader. And so so when I'm there, I can do a number of things, or kind of my intuition sort of guides me there, because it's stopping me. And I become kind of not me, but I become a healer, that's my, that's my role. So I can do EMDR, in without, without asking patients to rotate their eyes, I can do that. But it's much easier as patient to close their eyes and kind of do that tapping back forth, while they're focusing on the negatives. Or I can do just right, I kind of, I know a little bit about the patient's identify what emotion they have, in this, in this very relaxed state, it can be or even even without neurotherapy there's some people who don't want needle five, you know, I couldn't do without it. So So when I'm in this field, I feel what what's going on, so I can guide them. I can guide them to let's say, talk to their father, with whom they had a difficult relationship. And they can guide them how to talk for the Father for themselves, until further would they think of him or what happened? And they can talk from the father's perspective. And then that helps people to develop this understanding what's happening. And then he leaves their motions. And of course, after that, you know, after the meeting, I always kind of give people some writing assignments or some do some creative assignments. Some people like to write poetry. I have one patient who was writing songs, you know, every time she comes to me, she, she thinks it's so she would create the poetry and melody. There are some people who like to leak pictures, beautiful pictures, you know, and they express themselves. Then I will take the channel, let's talk about it. What does it mean? And as they begin to look at the picture, kind of a lot of stuff comes out. Mm. So my goal is to help them to release this energy, which is blocking them in their life. So there's so many different ways that we can release these pent up energies. For some, they just transmute it into these different creative outlets. And I think that's a wonderful way to work with people as well. Sounds like a lot of fun, you know, to work with patients like that. That's why That's why I've been able to retire I love with my goodness, money is, it's good that I'm being paid for my fun. I know, today I was working with a patient and I just felt very happy inside to be able to work with that individual, because there's a good fit, you know, between what I'm trying to offer what she's willing to receive, not lots of resonance, it's a lot of fun. There's a lot of reward. With working with people like that. I guess one of the important questions is, what are some precautions or limitations to this very interesting and effective approach that you've described this trauma resolution therapy, or there's some precautions or limitations in general that you want us to be aware of. So it will drink too much water, you know, we can also have the issue. So knew what was good. So So basically, people who, let's say, who, who have difficulty with with injections, so let's say they take blood thinners, so they may start bleeding. So I need to be very careful or worded completely. So that would be one contraindication. So another one if somebody has. And it's quite rare, if somebody has an allergy, to their rocking. And rocking is a local anesthetic. So it basically it disintegrate, not in the liver or kidney, but right there in the tissue. And the short life is pretty short, it's about it's about 20 minutes, so So within 20 minutes, you know, I finish and people rest a little bit. And everything is okay. If I do some deeper injections, so I would ask them too, to wait until they're ready for a longer time. ganglion injection puts people in this relaxed state of mind. So, so it may take 20 minutes to get out of it. But some people like to just and I have a number of those who are usually put them as my last patients of the day. And they would stay in my office for additional hour while I'm kind of doing my notes or whatever finishing up, and they have a chance to relax, or if I know that they are going to need additional time. So I have some, some some office space in another room. Put them there. So those are the most common issues, as any, as you do any needle, you can you can use something which is wrong, you know, it's It rarely happens. But if you're inexperienced, you know, I mean, that's why we try to give those people who are interested in that, try to give them training how to do that. And I myself had to get through a lot of training. So thank you, I kind of felt confident Yeah, because you're trained in acupuncture. So you've worked with a lot of needles, I think I would say patients should avoid me and needles. I don't think I should be going at anyone with a needle. But with the amount of training that you've had, I think that it makes you more much more comfortable with injections and needles and things like that. When I was a kid and my mother was a surgeon, so so silly. I remember in first grade I would commute in a bus across the all our town to her office and she would put me somewhere in the corner of the office and she would open a drawer all her stuff, you know and I would kind of look at it. So always had an interest. Of course very early introduction to you know, sewing on a human body Yeah, surgeons. Wonderful. Well, I think this covers a lot of the topics that I wanted to cover. There is one curious question that I had. And it is that I'm aware that you're the only psychiatrist in the entire United States, who knows about neuro therapy, and can do this work. So my question to you is why if it's so popular, well, why is it if it's so effective, that this approach has not kind of become much more popular among, let's say, psychiatrists or other people? Applying neurotherapy to psychiatry is kind of very new. Okay. So number one that neurotherapy entered United States, in the late 1990s, my mentor Dietrich clean heart, who was trained in Euro 30, in Germany, and he's a very charismatic fellow, he brought it here. We established neurotherapy Association, just in 2018. I'm one of the founders of this agitation. Wonderful. So we actually somebody from psychiatrists are listening to that. We're going to have a meeting in Seattle, starting April 2, so they are interested, please contact me, I'll tell you how to get there. I, I published a couple of articles, you know, but but my research is still considered to the anecdotal because it's small. I didn't use any scales kind of my, my response, what and how it works. What's interesting, what's what's interesting, which I discovered, let's say this highly complicated conditions, which conventional psychiatrists doesn't, doesn't do well, is anorexia. And Bulimia is a condition from which people die, most frequently. Anorexia. And actually, it's a very easy to resolve using neurotherapy. Wow. And I published a new article about it does require just a true three times injection, so there may be some maintenance later on. But quite a few people don't even require them. Because those people with anorexia or bulimia, they keep their whole they're calmer. In the area of stomach and, and sternum, you said behind there, what the hell they're there their ground? Well, okay. Or they need to continue with this behavior somewhere in this area I seen. So by releasing the energy from this area, they get well, which is I didn't have that many cases, but all of them got resolved. When they released the energy from that area, do they feel something or there's something physical, hoping something shifts in their mind? Oh, it's just just amazing. Something shifts in their mind and that they no longer kind of want to go and do what they've been doing day. One case kind of failed. It was this lady she was about close to 50 years old, being taken care by her parents who are in close to 80 years old. And she had this anorexia for I don't know, for 20 plus years. She came from the hospital. I was just hospitalized there because electrolytes, but we'll, we'll go over. So she came there and I begin to give her an injections. And if she felt better, and then she refused to come. So what happened? She began to gain weight. And so kind of I do that a couple of times, but it was such an embedded case. So so I'm sure if she would, if she would continue I probably would be able to help her but you know she refused to come. Well, thank you for sharing that that. That takes a lot of care. ways for you to just share a case that wasn't, you know, like over the top miraculous. So I appreciate your openness to sharing that story with me. Well, I really appreciate your time. I think we need to wrap up our podcast, I want to really thank you for all your time, your expertise, your devotion to your patients. The fact that you've traveled all over, looking for answers for them, I really appreciate that. That spirit, that unselfish spirit that fuels your, your, your mind and your curiosity and openness. So I just want to honor you for that and tell you how much I appreciate that there are doctors like you, in the US and in the world, who devote so much of their time and energy to helping others. So thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for interviewing. And thank you for your great work. Oh, well, thank you so much for saying that. 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