Amy’s Story: Overcoming Thyroid Cancer, Liver Cancer & Reclaiming Her Life

In this episode, Amy Michelle Wilcockson opens her heart and shares her incredible journey of transformation—from battling thyroid cancer and liver cancer to creating the life of her dreams.

Contact Amy  linktr.ee/willcockson

For years, Amy was known as a Doctor of Chiropractic and the Director of Live Healthy Iowa, dedicated to helping others live healthier lives. But while she was focused on healing others, her own health was falling apart.

The Breaking Point

✅ At the peak of her career, her personal life was crumbling
✅ Her mental and physical health were in crisis
✅ She was diagnosed with IBS, food intolerances, hypothyroidism, Hashimoto’s, a liver tumor, and thyroid cancer
✅ Doctors gave her grim news—she was dying
✅ She had to make a choice—keep pushing forward or fight for her life

The Turning Point

💡 She walked away from her career, her dream home, and the life she thought she wanted
💡 In 2018, she found the Habits of Health system—finally learning to practice what she had preached for years
💡 In 2020, she underwent life-saving surgery to remove a 10-pound liver tumor
💡 Healing wasn’t just physical—she discovered somatic techniques to rewire her brain and restore her emotional and mental well-being

A New Purpose

⭐ For the first time in decades, Amy is living her dream life
⭐ Her pain became her purpose—she is now a Well-Being Lifestyle Coach
⭐ She knows what it’s like to struggle, to feel stuck, overwhelmed, and lost
⭐ Now, her mission is to be a beacon of hope for others on their journey to healing

Amy’s Promise to You

🔹 Reveal Truth – Help you see what’s really holding you back
🔹 Inspire Change – Guide you toward a healthier, happier life
🔹 Empower People – Give you the tools to take control of your future
🔹 Transform Lives – Help you create the life and body of your dreams

If you’re feeling stuck, this episode is for you. It’s time to turn obstacles into opportunities. Are you ready?

Transcript

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Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we have a special guest here today. We have Doctor Amy, Michelle Wilcoxon, and she's a. Yes, she is a chiropractor. We went to school together way back in the day. When did you graduate? Chiropractic school. Oh, that would have been December of 1999. It was a great. Yeah, I was, um, 99. Yeah, I think I graduated the same class. Yeah, I split a term and then I extended it out. I was going to graduate in the spring, and then I went to, well, maybe. No, I was actually a summer graduation. I split a term and ended up in your class, too, so. Oh, is that what happened? Okay. Okay. Cool. Yeah, yeah. All right. So I'm just going to read to, um, read. Kind of like your bio, your history. She has a very interesting, um, health journey that I think a lot of people here will find very, very valuable. So I'm just going to kind of read what you sent me here. And, um, I'm just going to refer to you as Doctor Amy. Is that cool? Sure. Okay. Um, and then I think what we would really want to do is just kind of talk about your journey so people can, you know, relate. And I think you give a lot of people that have hope, especially, you know, my clientele, I, I'm dealing with people that generally have been hurt by antibiotics and they're pretty much devastated. And I mean, you've had cancer diagnosis and a whole bunch of stuff. So and you've really overcome a lot of these things with a variety of different things. Yes, the whole thing. The whole ball of wax. Yep. So I'm just going to read it here. So you say in the beginning, at the beginning of my story started when you, um, started with panic and anxiety and depression. And what year would you say that was where you had panic, anxiety and depression problems? Well, frankly, all my life that I can remember, um, and sleeping disorder as well, chronic anxiety, chronic insomnia, um, panic night, nighttime panic, and and nighttime terror, too. So, I mean, I think that started when I was really young. Dysfunctional relationships at home and in youth. You know what I mean? Developmentally dysfunctional. But as we as I aged and got into chiropractic school, the stress got really high. So it got it got exponentially worse. Okay. So were you waking up a few times a night? Would you wake up with night sweats? I mean, you just wake up and you weren't like, uh, really rested. What did that look like? Yeah. Waking up and being in a panic. Um. Sweating panic. Panic attack. It's like waking up to a panic attack in the middle of the night. Right. So, yeah. So I was always afraid to go to sleep because I knew that there was going to be some sort of panic attack that would happen most nights. So it was scary to go to sleep. And when I did sleep well, it was really not well. I think it was just exhaustion. Right. You know what I mean? So how many nights? Uh, how many days a week would you have? These? Like, how often would this occur? Oh, probably five out of seven nights. Wow. Holy smokers. For how many years? Um, I don't remember when I was a kid, but I do remember I had chronic bladder infections as a child. I was on antibiotics from the get go and chronic bladder infections and chronic antibiotics. So I started off as a kid with a diet of sugar and, um, in the 70s with a processed packaged TV, dinners, mac and cheese, all kinds, every, every cereal known to man. Um, so it was a very poor diet, um, as a child and, uh, and the chronic bladder infections and then antibiotics galore. So I started off with not a very, you know, with a damaged microbiome essentially in life. How many rounds of antibiotics would you say you had? Oh, countless. Like ten, 20. 30. 50, 60. Over my lifetime. Yeah. Over your lifetime. Well, yeah. Well, when I was a kid, I mean, multiple times a year when I was a kid having chronic bladder infections, they were treating it with antibiotics as a first line of defense. Um, then I ended up with, you know, so I don't know. I mean, literally dozens and dozens of times. Uh, I mean, it probably by the time I got out of high school, do you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't I don't even know. I wouldn't I wouldn't be able to count. Okay. Okay. Okay. So then I'm just going to read your bio here. So then you suffered with sugar oleum. Is that how you pronounce it? Sugar. Sugar. Yeah. Sugar. I call it sugar because. Because sugar. Sugar is a drug. Um, really, it is worse than narcotics in terms of, you know, pleasure centers in the brain on MRI. It stimulates the brain. Um, much harder than a than a narcotic does. So, um, I grew up eating sugar, uh, you know, as breakfast. Right. Um, and then. But what I learned was to abuse sugar for stress. So part of the self-soothing behavior that I learned as a child was to when I woke up in a panic or, you know, when I was a younger person. Um, even into my teenage years and young in my 20s, my, uh, my drug of choice would be sugar. So as a child, I would eat, uh, go to the fridge in the middle of the night for my panic attack, and I would have the ice cream, pint of ice cream and the sugar, you know, on the cereal that goes with it. Uh, that was the baby. Yeah, that was the emotional, you know, hit. Right? That was the dopamine hit that I needed to to feel better and go back to sleep. Just like drugs or alcohol. Right. As a kid, you only had. I had access to all this, um, as a drug. So that's where I learned why I call it sugar holism, because it's a real addiction. And most Americans have it these days, quite frankly. So I really just call it for what it is. It's an addiction. Yeah. And it's it's one of the most wicked addictions to get over. Uh, and even now, as an adult, I still gravitate back to that thinking of, oh, if I just could get some sugar, I could feel better. Yeah, right. Yeah. Mine's a powerful thing. It's definitely, you know, these thoughts in your mind that perseverate that are always there. You got to kind of always handle that, that's for sure. Yeah. It's always something to be aware of and and knowing that, you know, on a scale of 1 to 10, I'm sort of on the 15 in terms of, um, susceptibility to highly processed sugars and. Yeah. So things like that. Yeah. Let me just go over your whole health history here and then we can dive in. So then you're also diagnosed with IBS. Um, Mhm. There's a lot of vents right. Then food tolerance then autoimmune. Autoimmune disease. Then you had weight gain. Then you had a liver tumor. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. It really just became a spiral of problems throughout my lifetime. And, uh, of course, I really the root cause of it all was mental. Emotional. Right. The anxiety, the, you know, the dysfunctional relationships that what I call codependency. And I think most, most people, most women for sure suffer from codependency. Chronic people pleasing, growing up, being a people pleaser, taking care of everyone else before yourself. And so then what happens is really, you abandon yourself and you you don't, you know, develop the proper identity. So that codependency is really at the root cause of a lot of emotional mismanagement. And I think emotional mismanagement then leads to the chronic fight or flight. Chronic fight or flight syndrome leads to the chronic cortisol and all the hormonal dysfunction. Right? So, uh, I think that is the cascade after decades that causes all those symptoms. Quite frankly, I think emotional mismanagement and lack of that, you know, treatment, proper treatment causes a lot of physical sicknesses. You know, now, retrospect, um, having learned that I also developed a lot of dental issues when I was young. Go figure. Because I ate a bunch of sugar. So I had all kinds of cavities. Ended up as a young adult with five root canals and, um, necrosis in my jaw. So I had an early in my, you know, 20s and 30s, early 20s and even even 20s. I had already, um, uh, die, uh, necrosis or dying bone tissue from old root canals in my. And then you also had cancer. Yeah. Diagnosis. Okay. So yeah, a lot of stuff here. So I'm thinking the best way to maybe to, to just kind of go over your history so people can relate is um, so you had all these different things occurring in your body. So what were, uh, like, for example, maybe go over your, like, surgery, like you, you had some surgeries here. So kind of tell people like what happened and what they found and what, what you went through. So, um, as I went throughout, as I went throughout life, the, the, the chronic, um, anxiety and all those things turned into ultimately I IBS intolerant food intolerances. Right. And I developed that that lactose intolerance, the gluten intolerance, all the things, um, that led to chronic bowel issues that were undiagnosable. Um, the, uh, really, I didn't have any treatment other than I had to just really watch what I ate. I think a lot of people are going through that right now. They have all kinds of, you know, colitis and irritable bowel and all these intolerances and GI things, right? So I think it all stemmed from, you know, the emotional stuff as well. Um, and then, of course, we have the environment and the foods and the, you know, the all the things that we do in the lifetime of antibiotics, which leads to a horrible microbiome. So that all developed, um, then as a result, I think we get leaky gut. Leaky gut then allows us to get the autoimmune diseases, the autoimmune diseases, right, and all the food intolerances. And so I ended up with Hashimoto's, which is really the thyroid attacking itself. Right? The Hashimoto's and a lot of women have that issue hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism, um, that developed over time. And then I started treating that eventually it ended up in thyroid cancer. Um, so that that was, um, you know, it took, you know, that took a while. That was in my, my 40s when I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer. Uh, and then, um, and then the Along the way I developed or undiscovered. I had a hemangioma, which is a tumor in my liver that grew from about. We discovered it about 7 pounds, and it grew over time to be about 10 pounds. And it was not a benign. Tumor on your liver. I mean, that's massive 10 pounds. It was massive. Yep. It was massive. And it was I it was to the point where I was actually buying maternity swimsuits because I was embarrassed. Right. People could I could tell, right? People could tell. It was just weird, right? And it eventually had to come out there. I mean, did you I mean, yes, your stomach was getting bigger and bigger then you went in and they did like a MRI scan and they're like, Amy, you got a tumor here. It was found. Yeah, it was found accidentally, uh, that I had a gallbladder problem, and they found it accidentally on an ultrasound and then went down that road of it was benign, so I didn't have to remove it right away. It was a humongous surgery. Stem to stern. I have you know, they had to fillet me open and take the whole thing out at once. Uh, one time, cauterize all around it. It was a big bloody term. It's essentially a big bloody tumor. And that was. Yeah, that was the picture. Uh, that was right. Uh, yeah. That was when you were. This is when you were in the hospital. Yeah. Um, getting the tumor removed. Right? Right. Correct. That was 2020 first month of lockdown. Uh, and I was in there. Yeah. On during the first month of Covid. Yeah. I mean, you can tell you look very, very sick. Yeah. It was it was a really bad time. Um, five years prior to that, I'd had my thyroid removed. I actually had to go down the road of having the thyroid. I tried to treat it for 3 or 4 years. Naturally. You know, as chiropractors, we try to do all the things right, remove the amalgams, go get the alternative treatments, do all the gut protocols, try to do to do all the alternative things, but it was really too little, too late at that point, so I did have to have the whole thing removed, unfortunately. And then that was five years prior, and then eventually I did have the liver tumor done. And it was a life altering, life threatening and consequently life altering, um, surgery because not knowing if you're going to come out of it or not, um, really changes your life. And when you have that sort of a situation, um, where you literally have a life or death decision to make and you're writing your will and you're only 50 years old and you're you're not even 50 years old and you're writing a will, right? Yeah. That's you're you're. Tough. I mean, it was it was um, it was a it was a very scary experience and retrospect, you know, I, I literally had to, you know, you go through the dark. There's always the dark before the light. Right? And that was definitely part of the huge dark. And I had started years probably five, ten years prior, I gave up everything I knew. I died to myself, gave up the chiropractic practice that I loved. That was in my heart. It was like a like a timeline. So they can see like where where this is all coming in. Yeah. 15 years ago I decided I had to I had the liver tumor, I had the thyroid cancer. I had the big practice and the chiropractic practice in Minnesota. Yeah. You were saying I was weak. You told me that was in 2010, like 15 years. So it's 2025. So we're talking 2020 ten. Yeah. Just just so people realize Doctor Amy had one of the biggest practices and you were probably the top five biggest practices I think, in Minnesota. Jason Girard and, um, I don't know who else but top five for sure for large practices. Yeah. Yeah, it was it was it was beloved to me. And I worked, you know, you blood, sweat and tears for it. You know, you write and you, you live it. You breathe it. You, you You take care of everyone. But I was literally selling my. I was just sacrificing my own life, trying to save the world, essentially, because I wasn't taking care of myself the way I needed to be. And my stress, I didn't have the emotional resiliency and the skill sets to handle the stress that came along with that success. Do you know what I'm saying? And I think that happens with a lot of people is they have the success, but it's it looks great on the outside, but it's all kinds of chaos on the inside. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. Totally. Yeah. And yeah. And then it just it created this cascade of, of of, you know, just health decline for me mentally, emotionally, spiritually, financially. I was under constant stress of what if I fail. You know, the whole that, that sort of thing. And so, um, yeah. So it was over time, but 15 years ago then I, I sold my ten years ago. Well, gosh, I lose track. I sold my business and I just said, I can't I can't kill myself trying to save the world. So I So I literally sold my business, left everything I had. Practice. Not when you say your business, right? Yeah, my chiropractic practice and I left everything I had already previously worked for blood, sweat and tears and I just, I was, I was dying. I had to make a choice. I had to sacrifice things I loved and people I love, the place I loved, I loved Minnesota, I loved everything about it. But I really I had to sacrifice that to save my own life. And I know that not everyone gets in this situation, but you don't want to be in that situation. And if if I can encourage anyone on the other side of this is to not wait until you have these moments right where you have these life or death situations, um, because, you know, it's it's never the better road. It's never the easier road. Right? Um, and, and I had to give it all up to come home and try to take care of myself and get and get it back together again. So I did eventually have, um, the surgery. You know, the thyroid first and then the liver. But when you're writing your own will and you know that, you know, I had to let it all go and just start fresh and, you know, say, I'm putting myself first. And if I don't take care of myself, I can't take I don't have any business taking care of anyone else. I mean, there's one thing like when people don't have their health, there's only one thing that they want back is their health. That's the only thing they want. Like, if you're sick and you don't have health, the only thing that you want is your health back. That's it. You know, nothing else. Like money doesn't matter. Only thing is, is restoration of your health. Um, when you're sick. So. No. So just kind of this timeline then. So it's 2025. You sold your practice in 2010. And then if I'm understanding this correctly. So you sold your practice in 2010 and then you had the thyroid surgery in, in like 2015 where they your thyroid cancer. Would that be right 2015. And then. Five. Yeah, about five years. He had this liver. This liver surgery. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. All right. And, um, now with your thyroid. They removed the whole thing. Are you taking thyroid like levothyroxine? Are you on thyroid hormone then? Right now? Yep. Forever. It's gone. Yeah. It's gone. I do have, you know, I do. I'm taking supplements and have done all the gut healing protocols and, you know, thyroid supplements and things. Um, and I'm doing as much natural thyroid support as I can. Uh, but, yeah, I will have to be on prescriptions for life now because. My wife, she's on she has Hashimoto's too. So she's on thyroid replacement as well. Um, so we've managed the autoimmune disease, and now, um, because that condition was there. I mean, the autoimmune disease eats away at the thyroid, right? So your thyroid doesn't produce as much hormone. So you have to kind of supplement. Correct. Correct. So I guess for the audience, what would you say? This is where your your expertise comes in. I think the most valuable thing is so you went from, you know, you're killing it. 600 patients a week, one of the biggest practices in Minnesota. He had had irritable bowel syndrome. You had to sell your practice. You had the thyroid cancer, and then you had a 10 pound liver tumor, which I mean, it's scary. And then you're saying you have a big scar like on your stomach area from that. Yeah. It was a, yeah. From, from the. Stern. Down to the belly button and all the way over to the side. And so it's. Like, it's like an l kind of shape. Yeah. It's like an L shape. It's a good it's a, it's an L shape. And it goes from top to belly button down to belly button, you know. Um, yeah. All the way over to the side. So it was. Yeah. Yeah. That's. Yeah, that's a lot of surgery. So you're here today in 2025 right. So you've overcome a lot of obstacles and health issues. So what's been like what's been the game changer for you. For you. Obviously you've had thyroid cancer, liver cancer, and you're still here today, right? So that's a miracle by God that you're here. What would you say when you talk to people? I think a lot of the people listening are going to really relate to this. I actually believe you're actually you're you're you're you're root cause problems were probably because you're putting on all those antibiotics and sugar, and that was setting you up for poor health and leaky gut. Your leaky gut, probably since you've been were ten years old. And that causes, like you said, autoimmune disease. And then, you know, so really like, there was no root cause therapy, uh, to get to the root cause of the problem back when you were younger, like when you were a teenager. And that just expanded now. So now you're here. So what's been like the gems? If you had a if you had a drop like the gems, like we have ten minutes here to talk about what Doctor Amy's gem gems are that saved your life. And then if people want to get a hold of you too, we're going to give people that information as well. Um. The gems that saved my life. Uh, I, I got myself. I stopped trying to doctor myself, number one. And what you and I look like. What does not doctoring the doctor look like? You you you and I know a lot you we're for know it alls. Yeah. Okay, I had to. I had to admit to myself that I it was a know it all. Not doing it all. Obviously if I could do it, I would have done it. Even though I knew how to do it. I wasn't doing the thing. Like I wasn't doing the thing to manage my stress, to eat right, to exercise right, to do the basics that I knew to do. I know everyone knows what to do to be healthy, right? Yeah. But there's this huge gap. Yeah, there's this huge gap between knowing you should move well, eat well and think well and knowing how to do it and then being able to implement it, do it right or execute it right. Does that make sense? Yeah, totally. And so I had to admit to myself I had to become a recovering know it all and say I need help because obviously I know exactly what to do. I could write the book. I have the degrees on the wall hanging there. Right? But I yeah, I can't obviously I'm not doing it. So I got my own. I just let go of my ego and I let go of my drive to do it myself and do it again. Another, you know, time and fail again by myself. And I got some coaches, I got some guides and some mentors and some coaches that told me what to do. And I just said, okay, I'm just tell me what to do. Obviously I can't do this. I'm a recovering know it. All right. And so that was number one. I think that's the number one gem is that is that I actually had to stop trying to do it myself because it wasn't working. And so I really did this. When did you have this realization? What year was this? Like, uh. Um, it was probably when I. Ten years ago. Ten years ago. And so when you had. The thyroid cancer, that's when this whole thing, like, you're like. Yeah, right. Yeah. Right after my thyroid surgery, I, you know, I said, okay, now that's I gotta get it together, right? I sold my business in Minnesota, moved home, had the had the thyroid out. That happened very, very quickly in order. And I said, okay, I got the thyroid out. Now, I know I got this liver looming that I got to do at some point, but I have to get it together because seriously, I knew the answer was in the lifestyle. I was always, and we have to eat well, we have to move well and we have to think well, right. It's pretty basic. Why can't I do that? And I was still a sugar aholic, right? I was still not managing my stress properly. I was still right. I was really emotional. Still emotional. And, um, so I got some coaches, uh, I was in, you know, I got some coaches, I got, I had a therapist, I had, uh, lifestyle coaches. And, um, within that, within that period of time, I discovered a neuro emotional somatic, neuro somatic emotional freedom technique healing. So, um, along with eat well, move well, right. All those things think well, I had I learned that we have brain traumas. We have traumas in our nervous system that have been there for a long time that caused those emotional, um, hamster wheels. So I started working on the neuro somatic retraining of the hamster wheel. Thoughts on the unhealthy thinking part. So, um, so I had kind of a battery of, of, um, health coaches and guides along the way, and I really leaned into them, and I just committed myself to healing myself from the inside out and being led by and, um, you know, other and guided, uh, by these other people, um, and, and it it really saved my life and, and and now retrospect, I am a completely different person, inside out, above, down and inside out, as we say. I mean, emotionally, mentally, physically, um, you know, even even then now changed my external, changed my, uh, external look as well, you know, um, from from the inside out. It's it's very much, um, it's I become a completely different person and I my, my goal is to help all the people that are stuck and struggling and suffering silently, and all the people that are just, you know, dying of depression and and discouragement and indecision, and we're all so scattered and we're all so fatigued and fatigued and exhausted and fearful, and we're so afraid of failing again. We don't want to fail again. And it's, um, I'm just really want to be a beacon of light for all those people who are sick to death, of being sick to death. Right. And be a guide for someone else. Now, you know, let my darkness be the light for someone else. Right. And let them know that there's hope. Um. That I there is healing that can happen. There is health. You can restore your health and you can heal. Um, you can be happy again. You can actually come home to yourself, is what I like to say, because, um, you're still in there. We're just all messed up. So there's. But we need to admit that we need more help. And if we were doing it, we would. If we could do it, we would have done it. And if we're not doing it, we need to get some different help. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes total sense. So if someone's listening here, what would you say? Like maybe the two most impactful things that you've done like an application like I did. I did A and I did B, and these two things were instrumental in my recovery, whether it was like changing your diet. I know we talked about that. You had hypo some hypoglycemia problems. What would you say? What are some things that someone could, could, could like take away from from this interview and actually apply to their life like after they listen to you? Um, a well, A, B and C and I don't know really honestly what, what order to put them in. I mean, because. They all go together. Right? But A, B and C eat well, right. Get rid of all of the eat food by God. Right. Not food by man as much as possible. Okay. Move. Well. Get. Move. Right. Walk. Stand. You know, doesn't have to be an exercise class. Doesn't have to be CrossFit. Right? Doesn't have. You don't have to go to a gym, but move it. Right. And then, um. And that's pretty basic, right? But it's really. Hard. One on one. It's one on one, but people aren't doing it right. Um, and I wasn't doing it. Uh, and the hydration goes with the nutrition, too, by the way, because the. So hydration. Nutrition. Right. Move it or lose it. These are basic things and but last but not least, and I think the most complicated thing and the most pivotal thing for me is address what goes on in here. The thinking part is the hardest part, but the most important part that I think is the glue that holds it all together. Um, because we have stuck thinking patterns and we have we have stuck thinking patterns and we have stuck neurological patterns. We have, um, we are we respond all the time and react or we react to things instead of respond. So when we are stressed out, we have these instant reactions that are preprogramed. So healthy thinking is a is is very difficult to do. Uh, unless you actually learn to do it. So I think that's almost the most important part. Because if we don't learn how to rewrite some of those automatic thoughts and responses, we're going to continue to do things that that our thought, our our emotions drive our thoughts, our thoughts drive our behavior. So we're still going to not be able to eat well and move well if we don't address what we're emotional issues driving the thoughts that drive the behavior, which cause you not to be able to eat well and move well. Does that make sense? Totally. So I think people really need to go to the mental gym. That's my number one gem. The mental gym is the most important thing because it makes all the pieces come together. And for me it was the game changer. It was the thing that never got addressed from the very beginning. Does that make sense? Yeah. And if people are out there and they're like, oh man, I want I want Doctor Amy to help like you have, you're helping people through coaching programs And what would be the best way for people if they listen to this podcast? And they're like, man, I want I want to get Ahold of her. What's the best way for people to get Ahold of you? Um, the the best way is just you could go to my link tree on my Facebook page, and there is, uh, yeah, right there. And there. Is. They can your your Facebook page is open here. Right. So if they just if they just go to Facebook page and they, they type in Amy Michelle Wilcox. Yep. And then down here this is going to be like your link tree. So if they click this button right here let me actually just click this I'll click it. And then this right here is your your link tree. Yeah. Multiple ways to get Ahold of me um I will I'm going to be adding um, I'm going to be adding a link to um, a thinking assessment, um, that is free to everyone. And when I, when I talk about, you know, eat well, move well, think well, think what was the hardest part? So I've got a free thinking assessment and evaluation that actually quantifies. It quantifies objectifies and then identifies your stuck habits of thinking and those thought patterns that keep you stuck doing things over and over again. You know you shouldn't do. So that is going to be an additional piece that I have newly that has been a game changer. So that will be a link for people to go ahead and take the evaluation. You don't have to talk to me. Just take the evaluation, see what your scores are. The online quiz. Man yeah, it takes 15 minutes. You get an evaluation. I get objective, um, numbers and objective, um, scores for a stuck habits of thinking. And then it gives you the identification of 18 different areas of thoughts, patterns that you might be stuck in. And it's free. It's Nobel Prize winning work. I didn't create it, but, um, Dave Blanchard, he took over his work and he developed it, and it's Nobel Prize winning, and it's phenomenal. I think it's a great place to start to look at and see. Okay, what is it in my head that's keeping me stuck? Why can't I do what I know I should do? I mean, that is the biggest bane of everyone's existence. Like, I can't tell you how many times a day I hear. I know what I should do. I'm just not doing it. Everybody says that. And you're not one person you're seeing that's going to be, um, you're going to have that here in your link tree here. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, I'll put that as a button on my link tree. Yeah. I haven't gotten it yet. I have a scanner and it's been posted on my Facebook page. Um, it's been posted and. I mean, we can go to that. Is it. Yeah. There's been it was go down if you let's see. It was a couple days ago. Keep going down. Um not that one. One more I think. One more. There's lives there. It was posted just recently. Oh that one. Now, uh. Let me just move a little bit faster here. The scanner is there. Should be there. Mm. There it is. Walls of resistance. That right there? Walls of resistance. Right there. So. Right here. So the date here is going to be the February. February 7th. Um, and that scan code. And then there's a. Yep. There's a scan code and then there'll be a clickable link in there um, as well. You have to scan this thing here. Is that right? Yeah. You can scan that. And then there should be, uh, there's an address right there. How to take it. Also, you can just kind of put it in your browser. Yeah. Habit finder health. Yep. Okay. That one right there. So let me just so again. So this is February 7th right 2025. This post you can scan this or you can um. Go to. That site. Right. Yep. Yep. And that's free again. No, you don't have to talk to me. And I won't get an email or anything like that. So you'll just, um. Well, that's not true. I'll actually get an email that you took the test, but that doesn't mean you should talk. So. But it's really, really powerful stuff because, um, it gives us, you know, thinking is hard to quantify, right? You go to a therapist, you talk about stuff, and you don't get anywhere. Right. But this gives you objective. Right. Objective scores, uh, quantifies the level of on a scale of 1 to 100. You know, how healthy or unhealthy the thinking pattern is, and then it gives you a, you know, a identification or a name to what the thought patterns are so you can start to tackle them. Um, for instance, uh, being hesitant, being obligated, um, being, uh, being uncoachable being, you know, there's stuff around self worth, um, there's all kinds of different there's 18 different parameters of thinking and being scattered, being frantic, being, uh, doing obligatory. There's all kinds of stuff. It's really great. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. All right, well, any last words that you want to part us with here? Um, you know, I, I don't I just want to say you you and I get into the healing profession because we have a passion for serving, right? Um, and I think that my journey has been like the darkness to the light has been really my gift. And most people who've had cancer will say that, right? It's been, you know, it was my gift because it woke me up. Right? And I think that was for me to be true as well. I, I think that simple, foundational truth that, you know, your life is a gift, but your health is earned and your health is also a gift back to the one that gave it. I believe in, you know, I, I function from love your neighbor as yourself. That means you gotta love your neighbor first. Really basic, uh, truths. Um, like do unto others as you would have done unto you. I would love to give people right what I've gotten in return. And then giving is always better than getting right. That whole those golden rules. I feel like I get to live those now. I get to provide health help and hope and happiness for people and and give, um, what I've been given. And that's I got my joy back. I got my life back and I got myself back. I feel like I've come home to myself and I've discovered myself, even maybe for the first time. So. And I'm 54 years old, so don't give up and don't give in. It's never too late. It's never too late. All right. Sounds good. Thanks for the interview. And take care. Yeah. Thank you. You take care. Bye bye. Okay, so I ended the recording. Are you. Are you?