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children."},{"speaker":"Sara","startTime":2092.966,"endTime":2094.496,"body":"a clip out of context."},{"speaker":"Lilly","startTime":2099.559,"endTime":2103.139,"body":"Thank you so much for listening"},{"speaker":"Lilly","startTime":2099.559,"endTime":2103.139,"body":"to this episode of Fiction Fans."},{"speaker":"Sara","startTime":2103.534,"endTime":2104.764,"body":"Come disagree with us!"},{"speaker":"Sara","startTime":2104.814,"endTime":2108.194,"body":"We're on Blue Sky and"},{"speaker":"Sara","startTime":2104.814,"endTime":2108.194,"body":"Instagram, at fictionfanspod."},{"speaker":"Sara","startTime":2108.524,"endTime":2111.914,"body":"You can also email us at"},{"speaker":"Sara","startTime":2108.524,"endTime":2111.914,"body":"fictionfanspod at gmail."},{"speaker":"Sara","startTime":2111.954,"endTime":2112.394,"body":"com."},{"speaker":"Sara","startTime":2112.814,"endTime":2114.214,"body":"Or leave a comment on 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defeated."},{"speaker":"Sara","startTime":2133.004,"endTime":2133.694,"body":"Bye!"}]}