Israel & Rachel Campbell "SOUP" Podcast
Join us for an exciting Season 2 of our podcast, which garnered over 7000 downloads last year! Your hosts, Rachel and Israel Campbell, are back to take you on an incredible journey. In this podcast, we invite you into the ongoing dialogues about life, love, parenting, relationships, spirituality, and whatever else sparks our interest!
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Israel & Rachel Campbell "SOUP" Podcast
Campbell SOUP Podcast: Season 2 Episode 4 "Plank Eye Syndrome"
Ever been guilty of focusing on the wrongs of others, while blissfully ignoring your own? Brace yourself for a reflective journey as we examine Plank Eye Syndrome - our human tendency to magnify the speck in another's eye while ignoring the log in our own. Walk with us through our personal experience of battling and overcoming this syndrome, as we're challenged to refrain from speaking negatively about anyone for two weeks leading up to Easter. This discussion will inspire you to introspect, reflect, and confront any hidden hypocrisy within.
But it's not just about identifying the problem; it's about seeking transformation. As we venture deeper into our conversation, we'll reveal how our proximity to sin can often desensitize us, making it easy to excuse it. Learn from our journey as we unpack how the Holy Spirit guided us into transformation, encouraging us to examine our own sins and flaws. Discover the power of humility in relationships and how it helps to unmask the pitfalls of Plank Eye Syndrome.
Finally, we'll emphasize the importance of authentic friendships and prudence in choosing our tribe. Hear us narrate our own experiences in discerning who is genuinely for us and who is not. We'll point out the importance of surrounding ourselves with friends who speak the truth in love, not to hurt us. This episode is a treasure trove if you've ever found yourself being overly critical of others while brushing off your own flaws. So, join us in this enlightening exploration of becoming more self-aware and steering clear of Plank Eye Syndrome.
Yes, we're back.
Speaker 2:Rachel, we're back. Happy Wednesday.
Speaker 1:Wednesday and look at this.
Speaker 2:I'm so…. Yeah, it's Wednesday, right For the recording.
Speaker 1:It's kind of a little crazy. It's crazy and of course, you can follow us and find out all that information that we're doing. What do all the kids say Follow us so that you can share.
Speaker 2:I don't know, we are kids.
Speaker 1:I know, but I'm just wondering, like, how are we supposed to promote all those kind of things? I think that's it. Follow us, promote all of that kind of stuff. And then today we are going to be talking about…. This is season 2, episode 4. Can you believe it? That's a little crazy, crazy. How does it happen?
Speaker 2:already.
Speaker 1:I guess you just keep on doing them and they keep going.
Speaker 2:We just have a lot of things to say, guys, a lot of things to say.
Speaker 1:A lot of things to say, and this week we are…. Our title is Plank Eye Syndrome and just to again just reiterate you might have heard it now Two seasons, four episodes worth of, but these are conversations that Rachel and I have that we just talk about, we pray about, we're talking to the church about it maybe Dealing with, maybe a counseling appointment or even with our own family or just what God's been speaking to us, for us, and then you get to hear it Current events, current events for just what's going on in our life, and so something that's really come up to us recently is just what we would title Plank Eye Syndrome, and I'll kind of explain it a little bit. But I think, rachel, you can really articulate it and share the scripture verse and then we'll just jump into it and hopefully help some people. But Plank Eye Syndrome is really comes from a scripture where Jesus says that you struggle with the little speck in someone's eye when you actually have a log or some translation, say a plank, and so that's where it is Plank Eye Syndrome.
Speaker 1:People have the ability I have the ability to oftentimes focus on other people's stuff so that I don't have to deal with my own situation, and so that would be called Plank Eye Syndrome. And how do we avoid it? How do we get better at not doing that and all of that? So, rachel, what do you?
Speaker 2:want to jump in on that. I think what we've been talking about among ourselves, and maybe even just we're talking personally to God, is the fact that sin nature loves to see the bad in other people and the good in ourselves. That's actually the fall of man, that's sin nature.
Speaker 1:Well, I interrupt. First thing that happens in the Garden of Eve what does Adam do? Is he immediately blames? And who does Eve blame immediately? So okay, sorry, it was someone else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was somebody else, it was their fault or yeah, I did do this, but they did something worse. I think that that's very culturally relevant right now, but it's really sin nature. You see it all throughout the Bible and it's easy. I'll just give a very vulnerable testimony.
Speaker 2:Recently for me so Easter was just a few months ago and about two weeks before Easter I felt the Holy Spirit challenged me.
Speaker 2:Hey, I know that you're spending a lot of time praying for the lost.
Speaker 2:I know that you're interceding for to have influence in the city of Los Angeles and see people's lives transformed, and I love all of that. Like I felt, like the Holy Spirit was really, you know, admonishing me that, yes, I see you really coming to me and standing in the gap for the lost and praying and interceding. But I want to ask you to do something that you're not doing, and that is I don't want you to talk about any ministry, any Christian, any pastor, no matter what for two weeks up until Easter, and I was like, oh, you know, kind of just like praying and talking to God, like, of course, I can do that. I'm not one of those people who are always gossiping about other churches and I'm thinking like I'm talking to God, like justifying my own behavior and thinking kind of. The log in my eye is like if my friends they're horrible, they always. I always have to change the subject when I'm with them because they're always talking about what happened in the documentary. Did you know this person?
Speaker 2:and what happened with this person that you know, and since Israel and I were friends with a lot of different people in ministry, people will ask us well, what are they like? Well, what's this about? And they want to know. Itching years want to know. And I remember when God asked me not to talk bad about anything that was in the kingdom of God for two weeks leading up to Easter. I'm like no problem, god, I got you high five. And then the challenge began where I had to catch myself over and over and over and I would be wanting to talk bad about somebody. And here's why this is the vulnerable part that I'm going to share with you guys is because I wasn't doing good.
Speaker 2:It's because I've had a really hard season where there's just been a lot of battle. There's been a like a forceful fight not to become bitter and resentful towards certain things that have happened. I've been having some issues in my health where I've been exhausted, and so I'm going on a health journey of trying to restore my own what do they call that thing that's all exhausted in me?
Speaker 1:Adrenal inclines.
Speaker 2:I have no adrenal output and so, you know, for a long season and maybe we could even do a podcast on this later but I've just been bullying my body and causing it to submit for the glory of God and pushing myself too hard and not listening and so, anyway, with all that going on, I just wasn't in a good and healthy place, not in a backslid in place, but I wasn't super healthy. My thought life wasn't really good. My discipline life in by just the regular spending time in the word of God, all of those things were kind of a little bit jacked up. It's interesting whenever I'm not doing good is when I become more judgmental Israel and I luckily, I've seen it and I've called it for what it is and I see how the enemy really bounces and pounces on that but when I'm not doing good is when I start looking for specs, because I know about the plank in my eye and I just want to feel better about where I'm at by looking at how bad other people are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I will say this about you. That was like when you said maybe to us or whatever is a family. Hey, I'm not going to do that. You know, God's really talked to me. I think I even felt like the same thing, where it was like sorry having issues with them.
Speaker 1:I was thinking, rach, that's, that's just not who you are, like, that wasn't like part of your personality, like oh, I'm going to gossip or I'm going to talk about it, but what would end up happening was exactly what you said. Was there's these moments where somebody would say something Did you watch or did you know or did you hear about what so and so posted? And so it's kind?
Speaker 2:of enough ammunition to keep us busy looking.
Speaker 1:And it's to me even seem like, well, this is new, because it was like old school gossip would be like you get in a circle and you do it and this just seemed like part of everyday conversation. But you were like, no, not going to give my this and whatever. And I really liked what was happening because it was it was good for all of us, was like what you were saying was not necessarily even wrong or bad. But there was this oh, they're not doing it well. I'm going to focus on what they're not doing well, or I'm going to be critical of what they're not doing well. I'm going to talk about what they're not doing well, because it feels a lot better than actually allowing the Holy Spirit to look at mine.
Speaker 2:Well, because looking at somebody else's feels good and looking at our own feels bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so we want to talk about that a little bit. So it's Plank Eye Syndrome, and it's scary to say it because now this is what we're doing today. We're talking about Plank Eye Syndrome, talking about it to you as a viewer or a listener, but it's the Holy Fear of God when we say it, because, as we're bringing up maybe a spec in your life, the we at the same time can have planks in it, and so it's a precarious situation that we're talking about.
Speaker 2:But let's just talk about ourselves. We'll talk about it from our perspective and you can see if you can identify in your own life with our messed up life. How's that sound?
Speaker 1:I think that's good, but I also think it's also kind of like in this it's good to be like, hey, let's all take a look at the planks, because the nature of it is and I think you started to do it and I see this often, maybe I see it in my own life, but I see this a lot Is the over spiritual, where people will really really become super, super spiritual giants and be able to point out all the things that are wrong with everyone else. And it is in a pastor's role, as a friend's role. It's crazy to see like they're saying these things, but I know what I'm also having to give you counsel on, or I'm seeing some of the other things, and so I think that that's where we would come from is like hey, it's so easy, it feels so good, it actually feels nice when somebody else is it doing well on the struggle bus.
Speaker 1:Yes, because then our things and you brought up while we were talking.
Speaker 2:I don't have many of them.
Speaker 1:Maybe I'll just segue into you, but like, why do people like reality TV?
Speaker 2:Exactly that's what I was just going to say is like honestly.
Speaker 2:Why do people like watching Real Housewives If we're brutally honest, which I don't like watching them because I hate the feeling that it brings into our home and you can watch it Like if you love it. That's no judgment. There's no plank in your eye, but for me, I'm very protective of the peace in our house because I come from an abusive and a very tumultuous household environment. So because of that, when I hear women fighting, that is not. There's certain TV shows and it would be hilarious Because it's not like what you guys think I don't allow in my house.
Speaker 2:It's not Game of Thrones, it's not all these really bad ones people talk about, which we don't watch either, but it is things where people are fighting. I will not allow dance moms in the house and our daughters used to want to watch it, but those women fighting and talking bad about each other made our house filled with this really bad heaviness and I'm an atmosphere girl and I want to see that cute candle right there. I like to light that and have peace in our house. That's what I want. This world's too crazy.
Speaker 1:OK.
Speaker 2:So OK, rabbit trap.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:But I think that we like to watch those kinds of shows because it really is. We like the fact that they have a lot more problems than we do. And so why is a real housewife so famous? I think it is because it's like at least I'm not, as at least I'm a better wife than her, at least I'm a better friend than her, and we can kind of do the whole like there is a. We see their slivers and it kind of makes our plank feel a little more comfortable, stuck in our eye.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's it Like, whether it's old school Jerry Springer or, you know, it's the Kardashians or whatever that is, you know the all those shows are produced to bring out the craziness, of course.
Speaker 1:And so you have to, or we have to. Just it's so true, is we see they're crazy? And then we're like, well, they're at a nine crazy and we're only at a three, but then that three can actually keep our marriage from being healthy, that three can keep our relationships from growing. And then we're consistently always doing it, and and so I don't want to be and I know, rachel, you don't want to be that and then I think there's some listeners that hopefully the Holy Spirit will kind of bring some confirmation to it, or, you know, and just begin to go wow, that's my defense mechanism Every time the Holy Spirit begins to deal with me. I go la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la and I start pinpointing other areas. Well, they're not doing this and this person's not doing this, and we just begin to do that instead of letting the Holy Spirit deal with ours.
Speaker 2:OK, so there's a few things I think would be great to talk about First of all is my broken microphone by next episode. I will not be doing this all the time.
Speaker 1:But what happened? It just keeps on lowering. Is it like one of those chairs that just consistently? Maybe I should just sync with it, so you guys will see me go in like this.
Speaker 2:I love it. Ok, so a few facts about what we're talking about. Oh, I think I know what's wrong. This is weighing it down, but in all my years of being on worship team, I know that if I can get this around here, that's going to help. How's that? It's not going anywhere now.
Speaker 1:Oh good, all right good.
Speaker 2:Ok, so I do not want to work for the media team, but I'm pretty good, I just solved that problem.
Speaker 1:You're amazing, dave, amazing.
Speaker 2:OK, here's a couple of things that I think that we need to be aware of. When we're talking about, the plank in our eye is we're afraid sometimes to deal with the thing that's hurting us, the thing that's stopping us. But really that is the very place that we get set free. And I know that sounds so spiritual, so Christianese, so cliche, we've all heard it before, but it's true, and the enemy knows that if we don't deal with ourselves and we begin to degrade ourselves on a lighter scale than we're grading everybody else, then we just get trapped and we start living at less capacity. We start living these lives where we know that's the root, when we aren't dealing with the small things.
Speaker 2:That buildup is what causes us to be jealous of somebody else's life, not knowing why. Well, the reason why is because we're not free anymore and so it's so important to deal with the small things so they don't become planks. But I was thinking about how, the closer we are to sin, the easier it is to excuse it. You've heard when there's a school shooter as heartbreaking it's huge of a conversation, as that is you interview the family and they're like we didn't see that on them, we did not see that they were capable of doing that. We knew they were depressed. We knew that they were in their room a lot but we did not see that they could do such a thing. But then you get a couple circles outside of family and they're like we saw that.
Speaker 2:We can see how that person was troubled. We can see that. But the closer people to someone that's really walking in sin, messed up, disturbed, all of those things, it's natural because of our ability to love them and also our proximity to them that we're familiar with and sends for a long time, we get so used to it we don't realize. And so the closer sin is to us, whether it's in a family member, it's in a close person to us or it's even in ourself the closer proximity we are to whatever sin's going on, the lighter we make of it. And so I think that's why when Jesus talks about this like it is better to take out the plank in your eye than to judge the speck in others is because he sees we have a plank, but our proximity is we think we have a speck, just like those people. And Jesus deals with that and says no, you've got a plank and you are covering it up by looking everywhere else instead of yourself.
Speaker 1:I love that. What about that in the mirrors of cars? What does it say? This object may be closer than it looks. Yeah, and so it's like that when it's our own thing. Oftentimes it's not just you know avoiding it because it's so big, but you often don't see it, you're not aware of it or you're in it all the time and so it is. So I think it's a consistent. I think what you said is a good way of kind of knowing is what are my actions If I'm really critical and I'm really judgmental?
Speaker 1:that's a telltale sign that I have plank eye syndrome, that there are some things that I am overcompensating, in a sense, to kind of try to miss that one thing, and so I think that maybe then an answer is it's a self evaluation of wow, I am critical. Or a hey, I'm going to give this a game. I'm going to give this two weeks to see can I win this game.
Speaker 2:Can I not be critical, can I not? If you cannot, not, then you need to look at that, yeah, and then you have an issue.
Speaker 1:You might have plank eye syndrome and then realize I think another way of so that's a great way of gauging is just kind of checking how your heart is and kind of doing it. But one of the great things about the Holy Spirit and I don't know who coined this, but they've, they've said the Holy Spirit is a gentleman and what they mean by that is the Holy Spirit is someone that will not force transformation or change in your life, but it's actually invited, it's actually sought after, and so I think that one of the things that we can also do in those seasons is consistently asking the Holy Spirit, holy Spirit, are there some areas that I'm not seeing? Are there some things that are such a habit or so close Cause it's sinful nature and you do it. And I was thinking about this.
Speaker 1:I remember preaching one time and it was really good, rachel, not that I was really good, but like no, no, no, the atmosphere was charged, people were standing and shouting, you could tell people were being moved and I kind of had like this yeah, god used me in a good way, not a cocky way, I don't think. But is your mic still killing?
Speaker 2:you Just lift it up, okay, and I'm going to do a little shit.
Speaker 1:Oh boy, I don't know if I could do it.
Speaker 2:I'm so okay, so it was a really good atmosphere. I'll get you back on track. You're at a conference and you were really good. That's what you just said.
Speaker 1:Yes, and so then I kind of went and prayed afterwards just like, hey, holy Spirit, like you know how to you know, just speak to me. What can I do? You know, hope that you're proud, you know those kinds of prayers. After speaking, do you do those prayers. You just like you go to God and you just want to do it. And I kind of felt like the Holy Spirit like rebuked me and was like no, you were a little snippy, you were a little arrogant, your comment came across too dogmatic and I was just like oh, oh, and then, like you know, quickly, you had a good responsive man and a bad responsive God.
Speaker 1:Yes, and but I don't know if that would have, if I would have learned from it and whole I pray that I learned from it. I did learn from it. I took that like wow, okay, good, like you said, man can respond well, but how did? God was checking my heart and there were some things I wanted to get better at and I was like I would never want to come across that way, like arrogant or dogmatic. So it was really good I say all that to say it took me, it would. I never felt like the Holy Spirit just woke me up in the middle of the day or woke me up in the night and said you were arrogant. It took me saying Holy Spirit, what, what areas do you want me to get better at? In that and, to be honest, I almost thought he was going to give me a pass. I almost thought he was going to be like I'm so proud of you.
Speaker 1:I thought it was going to be like Israel's phenomenal. I mean, we'll probably play it in heaven. It was such a good message and it was. It was just the here's some areas that need to be worked on, and so it's allowing talking to the Holy Spirit and say are there some planks that I'm not even aware of?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like David, I mean the Psalmist was our role model for this right, because he was like search me, oh God, and know my heart, try me and know every anxious thought, see if there'd be any wicked in me and lead me into your way everlasting.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's the prayer we should all be praying every day, and I love that Psalm. I love that David wasn't like I just won this battle, I just sang this song and he was good with it. But he was saying God, is there a plank in my eye? Is there a see if there'd be any wicked in me and lead me back to the everlasting way? I think that tells us. All we need to know is when there is wicked in us, it takes us away from God's everlasting, perfect plan towards what he's called us to do here on this earth.
Speaker 2:And you know, there's another scripture verse that scares the heck out of me, and it's that God. God frustrates the plans of the wicked. David says see if there's any wicked in me, which is sin. That word wicked is just being without God. Doing things on our own, without God, is our wickedness, and it's not a. You know we look at wicked. You know it's the month of October. I think we picture a witch that's over this black, cold rain, and that's wicked, right. But wicked is just making plans without God, without consulting God, making judgments about others without making the same judgment about ourselves. These things are wicked and that's what God calls them.
Speaker 2:And so David says see if there's anything wicked in me. And then that other scripture that's so paralyzing but also empowering is that God frustrates the plans of the wicked, but he gives grace to the humble. And looking for the plank in our own eye really does take humility. It takes humbling ourselves and saying I'm not going to say that I'm right, I'm not going to be self-righteous, I'm not going to be self-righteous and realizing it's not our good works that make us right with God, it's his grace. And so when we don't humble ourselves and ask him to show us the ways in our life that are wicked, what we're really saying is we don't need his grace. So it's a bigger problem that we give it credit for right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then I think there's a couple other things. I don't know what you think about this, but sometimes a good way to tell do I have plank eye syndrome? Is the chaos that happens around me, and what I mean by that, because we all have chaos around us.
Speaker 2:Right, because we live in America.
Speaker 1:We live in Los Angeles. We live wherever we live.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's good. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1:I mean by it is like, is it always somebody else? And it's like you've moved to a different state, but it's still the same situation. You've moved to another church and it's still the situation. You've moved on to another spouse. Then maybe plank eye syndrome is happening, that you keep on not realizing the planks that you have and so being self-aware of like you know. Just, I think that there's some times where we do go. Okay, god, what is going on? The Bible says in the Old Testament that David, there was a famine and David started trying to figure out what is the deal and it actually, you know, god started showing him some of the things that had happened in the past, some of the things that he wasn't even him, but David took the initiative to go. Why am I facing this? Is there something? I'm contributing to it? And I think that we live in a world that doesn't necessarily always happen. We're quick to blame somebody for what's happening and not really quick to go. Could I be the common denominator in this situation?
Speaker 2:And I think that's a true mark of a child of God, a follower of Jesus Christ. Right Yep that, oh, thanks, please look at only a true boyfriend would fix my mic for them. Maybe if.
Speaker 1:I didn't.
Speaker 2:But that is a true mark of a Christian and someone who's letting God really redefine their life is that we don't have to be right.
Speaker 2:You know, if I have a fallout with one of my kids and they're acting a fool, I first and I'm not saying this in a way, like you know, I have no planks in my eyes because I've made a lot of parenting mistakes.
Speaker 2:But, you know, as adult kids it's a little different and we're going to do a podcast because a bunch of people are asking for us to do a podcast on having adult kids, which is scary because we're figuring it out with you. But but you know, with adult kids I think it happens more often when I have to admit I'm wrong on something, and it takes humility, it takes going to the Holy Spirit and asking him to show me what area of this is my fault Doesn't mean that I'm like a doormat for my children, but as my kids become their own adults and we have, before God, put in them everything we know to put in them we have to trust him now that they're adults and he's going to continue that work, but I think that there are moments more often now than there used to be, because when they're kids, you could just tell them because I'm the moment, I'm right and now I have to hold responsibility for do I want to stick to my guns and dig my heels?
Speaker 2:in and be right and lose relationship? Or do I want to be humble and deal with the stinking plank in my eye because I am a sinner in need of God's grace every day and that never will change till I'm in heaven, face to face with Jesus? But I think a lot of relationship breakdown is because we have this refusal to take responsibility for some of the things that really are. Do you want to be right on the issue or do you want to have right relationship? Do you want your child to grow I'm just using children as an example but to grow up and have their own voice and mind and hear from God for themselves. Sometimes it takes a lot of humility, it takes a lot of inward looking at ourselves and repentance, and not just secretive repentance. Can I just say this but nothing will heal an adult child more then when?
Speaker 2:we go to them and tell them why we're wrong and why we're sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like there's something that breaks in our relationship when there's some sort of at odds. I have two daughters. I'm preaching for myself. If anyone else needs this, it could be in marriage, though. It could be in work relationships, it could be whatever that might be, but I just feel like sometimes we fight so hard to be right because we're stubborn and we need to humble ourselves and let God show us so that we can have right relationships too.
Speaker 1:I love that Then I've only got one more and we can close with it and you add to it no, there's no way, there is no possible way is done, but you might be done because of the microphone, share a mic and snuggle.
Speaker 1:Don't do it. You're distracting me. Okay, so you can while I'm doing it. I don't even need it. Yes, you need the microphone. You're going to say something, I know you are. You've never not had something to add to this, but I would just say I love the scripture verse it talks about you don't try to remove the spec in your friend's eye until you remove the plank in your own. But there is a port of that. That is really good that we need friends to help us remove specs.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm going to say You're going to fix it, and so a couple of things on. That is number one. Don't be the friend that always is the spec remover, like you know what I mean. That goes back to Plank Guy syndrome, don't, don't.
Speaker 2:I have been annoyed by God to see everyone else's specs and correct them.
Speaker 1:Yes, don't be that person, but you should have some people in your life that can help. Elijah says to this you know, God open his eyes so that he can see. And so there's these moments. Like you know, I trust you, Rachel. If there was something in my eye and it was sharp piece of metal, I think you're the one I would trust, Like, hey, can you help me? You know you're not going to do that. I mean, there's some people that I don't trust, that I don't know and you shouldn't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they'll just be rough with it and be like, oh, I got it or, you know, we've had situations with us where there's been, like, someone that actually wants to take us down a notch instead of seeing us flourish. And so if there's somebody with jealousy, if there's somebody that's not running in their lane full, full blast, they're not probably safe. If they're not. For you when you're doing bad and good, those should not be the people that are speaking about that spec.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because that spec removed by the wrong person can actually cause permanent damage, and so there is a balance of that. But there's some people, like you know, like Marie and Michael D'Orso for us pastors that have been pastoring for so many years we would ask them hey, are we seeing this wrong? Are we seeing this with the plank? Are we getting bitter? Are we getting judgmental? You know, here's how we're trying to navigate to that, and I trust them to help me with that and say Israel, it's a plank. Or Israel, hey, here, let's pull that out. That's not good. It's not going to be good to keep that in there. It's going to only irritate, it's only going to cause infection and then do that. So that was what I was going to close with, but I knew you would have something else.
Speaker 2:Well, he knew me because I'm so big on friendships, right.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So I just want to end with this. Like when he started talking about that, I'm like oh, I love this point, okay fine give me my mic back, Okay.
Speaker 2:So Proverbs 27.6 is so good. Faithful are the wounds of a friend who corrects out of love and concern, but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful because they serve with a hidden agenda. So I think just having the discernment from God of who's really for me and will speak the truth in love because they want me to be free, instead of who will speak the truth not in love because they want you to be more, feel bad about yourself or to you to be behind them, and all of that crazy stuff and there are. Unfortunately, I have discovered that not everybody who wears a Christian name badge is for me, and that's a heartbreaking reality.
Speaker 2:And you don't ever want to live jaded, but you do have to ask God to give you the kind of friendships that will speak the truth because they want what's best for you and, like for Israel, he's earned that trust. He's earned that trust in my life and I have a cup. Well, that list got smaller, but we can laugh about it. Like, relationships are really hard but and sometimes it's disappointing, and the thing is you're not always going to have your friends say what you want them to hear, but keep the people close, who love you enough to tell you when you've got a big hunk of spinach in your teeth or a plank in your eye right?
Speaker 1:Oh, so that's it. That's it. Plank eyes. Come on email us if you've got any questions. Comments I think we had Christine. Like her, she's the only one that keeps on writing us questions, and the last question was something to the effect of like who was your favorite youth student when you were youth pastors and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Who was our favorite? Who gave us the best training for pastoring the rest of our life.
Speaker 1:That is awesome. We love you so much. We love you so much, so proud of you so, so proud. So yeah, that is it. Let's just be, let's just be aware. Holy spirit, help us with the planks.
Speaker 2:Help us see when we're being negative.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it will change your life. We do not want plank eyes and we don't want any kind of syndrome, but that's it. Come on, follow us, share this if it helped you, and whether it was in your commute or on your treadmill or your peloton, if you're a South Bay mother. Love you guys.
