IF YOU GIVE A MOUSE A COOKIE...

A children’s book has a way of telling the truth we avoid. If you give a mouse a cookie, he’ll ask for more—and so will the quiet appetites that live in us. We follow that trail from playful banter to piercing insight, asking what happens when you feed entitlement, revenge, or misplaced hope—and what changes when you starve them.

We start with the subtle voice of “I deserve,” the mindset that turns gratitude into grumbling and caps what grace can do. From instant delivery culture to scorekeeping in relationships, we trace how pride disguises itself as fairness and leaves us empty. Then we pivot to the “I’ll show them” trap: a candid ministry story reveals how proving people wrong drained purpose, stalled growth, and hijacked the heart. The breakthrough came when we stopped performing for critics and started loving the people in front of us. Two anchors emerged—time tells and let the fruit speak—shifting us from image management to character formation.

The conversation deepens with “I hope they…”—the hope we place in apologies, recognition, or changed behavior that may never come. We share a raw account of forgiving without an apology, the physical toll of offense, and the freedom that followed. Scripture grounds the journey—James 4:6, Philippians 4:19, Psalm 62:5—pointing us back to a God who supplies what people withhold. We also tackle a harder test: when someone hurts the person you love. Do we poison them with our outrage, or become purpose in their pain? Choosing purpose breaks the cycle and protects the heart.

By the end, you’ll have a simple way to respond: name the mouse, find the cookie, starve the appetite, and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the smaller seeds before they grow. Expect practical language, honest stories, and a closing prayer that invites real change. If this resonates, follow the show, share it with a friend who needs encouragement, and leave a review—then tell us: which “mouse” are you evicting this week?

Chapters

• 0:00 Global Listeners & Lighthearted Banter
• 1:34 The Mouse And The Cookie Metaphor
• 4:20 Small Seeds, Big Detours
• 6:01 Entitlement: “I Deserve” Exposed
• 12:05 Culture Of Instant Gratification
• 14:12 Grace Over Scorekeeping
• 17:18 The Revenge Trap: “I’ll Show Them”
• 22:38 People-Pleasing vs. Pleasing God
• 27:05 Time Tells And Fruit Speaks

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:21

Ah, here we go, Rachel. Another episode of Campbell Soup Podcast.

SPEAKER_00: 0:27

So good to be with you guys.

SPEAKER_01: 0:29

Oh, and hearing so many great things from people watching all around the world. You know what I didn't tell you is I looked up all the different places, and guess what our number one country that people watch is?

SPEAKER_00: 0:40

I have no idea. Canada.

SPEAKER_01: 0:42

United States of America.

SPEAKER_00: 0:43

Oh, good job, Americans. You're coming through.

SPEAKER_01: 0:46

And guess what number two is? Second.

SPEAKER_00: 0:48

Australia.

SPEAKER_01: 0:49

Number two is Australia.

SPEAKER_00: 0:50

We love you, Ozzy.

SPEAKER_01: 0:52

Can you guess number three? Because I do not think it is not Indonesia. Indonesia is four.

SPEAKER_00: 0:57

Come on, Indonesian friends.

SPEAKER_01: 0:58

Guess what number three nation is?

SPEAKER_00: 1:00

I have no clue.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02

I had no idea to, but I think.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04

Italy, say Italy because I feel called there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06

It's close to Italy, but it's not Italy. It is Germany, the motherland. The Schwingdorfs love the Germans love Campbell soup. So there you go.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19

I know they love it because of you. You've got that German streak in you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23

They must know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:24

Amazing and beautiful. We love Germany.

SPEAKER_01: 1:26

Yeah, number three. I was shocked at that. But anyhow, we're so glad that you are either listening, watching, doing whatever. This episode, we have titled it, If you give a mouse a cookie, which is a famous kids' book that I used to read to the kids all the time. And you would never read it to the kids. Do you want to tell your little secret?

SPEAKER_00: 1:48

Okay, there's two things. I'm a really good parent. You are a that's where you say yes. I'm a good mom.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53

You're such a good mom.

SPEAKER_00: 1:54

I love being a mom, but there's two things I just don't love. And one of them is going to Chuck E. Cheese with my kids, and then them getting three million of those tickets that that little munching machine has to take them. And then the kids spend five and a half hours to buy junk, like the grossest plastic toys that are going to fall apart. I hate it. I just, that is not part of parenting that I've ever liked. And so that and reading, I don't want to sit around reading books to my kids. I don't know what it is. Most people love to read to their kids. And so as our kids were little, I would always just say, You have to ask dad. I don't know how to read. And so then we were somewhere, and our kid, one of our kids was like 12 years old and told someone, Oh, yeah, but my mom doesn't know how to read. They believed the lie for so long. And I can read. I just don't want to sit around reading to my kids.

SPEAKER_01: 2:42

You don't want to read kids' books.

SPEAKER_00: 2:44

I make up stories. I'm very, you know, like expressive and imaginative. I just don't want to sit around reading books. And you were so that was your dad.

SPEAKER_01: 2:52

That was my Carlisle the Crocodile time. That is where that book came from.

SPEAKER_00: 2:56

Don't judge me, you guys.

SPEAKER_01: 2:57

And this book maybe inspired Carlisle the Crocodile. I don't know, but it's if you give a mouse a cookie. And the premise of this podcast would just be you know, there are certain sins, there are certain attitudes, there are certain things that if you feed, it's not going to say, well, that's enough. It is going to be like, give me more. And the, of course, the New Testament talks about that. Paul talks about the appetite of sin and just that it is never done. It is never finished. Solomon in Ecclesiastes says there's a couple things that are never empty. And one thing is the grave, and one thing is a mouse that if you give it a cookie, come on, it's not going to be uh done. And so that kid's cute little book would start out something like this. If I was to shorten it really quick, but it would be if you give a mouse a cookie, he's gonna ask for a glass of milk. When you give him a milk, he is going to probably ask for a straw. Once he uses the straw, he'll probably ask for a napkin because milk got on his mustache. Then he'll want to look in the mirror to see if he got the mustache clean. Then once he looks in the mirror, he'll see that his mustache needs to be trimmed. And then if you give him some scissors, he'll want to get broomed to clean up the mess. And then he's gonna, before you know it, he's gonna get tired and he's gonna want to get ready for a nap. And if he wants a nap, he's gonna want a bedtime story. And when you give it to him, chances are he'll ask for a cookie to go with the bedtime story, and then you go back to the whole story. So if you give a mouse a cookie, and I think that that's so good for you and I to just remember there are certain things that if we feed, they're gonna want to be fed again.

SPEAKER_00: 4:35

Yeah, and they grow, right?

SPEAKER_01: 4:36

And they grow.

SPEAKER_00: 4:37

Sin always grows. You already said that the appetite of sin grows. And I love that you're, you know, talking about if you give a mouse a cookie, because although I never read it to the kids, I do know the premise of that story. But it's interesting because sin is a lot like the cookie, where it's like the first thing usually isn't that bad. It's justifiable, right? The things that we're gonna talk about are not these evil where you're going and robbing a bank, but they're little seeds that begin to grow in our heart that seem kind of insignificant until you're down the road and all of a sudden you realize, wow, something along the way got in my spirit that now I'm off and I'm not doing well and I feel far away and I can't really hear from God and all of these things, but they usually start with a small seed that seems kind of insignificant and not that dangerous.

SPEAKER_01: 5:23

Oh, I love that. And you know, anybody that has boated or just I think the old analogy was if a railroad track is only off this much, yeah, that's really not that much, but a mile down the road, that is actually gonna derail it. And so if you give a mouse a cookie, if you do it, this is gonna happen, this is gonna happen. And so really, this podcast episode would be all about just being able to check that and go, oh my goodness, if I feed this, this is gonna happen. If I starve this, then this will actually benefit me. And so the first one that I just came up with, and you and I were talking a little bit beforehand about this. But if you give a mouse an I deserve, so if you feed an I deserve, you will start feeding entitlement. And entitlement never gets full. It always asks for more recognition, always wants more attention, and it also always wants more control. And kind of the spiritual mouse of entitlement turns gratitude into grumbling. And so I love that. If you ever say, I deserve, that's actually where you see things. We watched that one crime episode. You're always watching those shows that are like the not, I like the crime shows, but you like the where they do the whole story, the behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_00: 6:47

Yeah, documentaries. I love I love studying people and why they do what they do.

SPEAKER_01: 6:52

Yeah, and you were watching one a couple weeks ago, and it was like they they I think the guy ends up like trying to kill his dad and he lost his eye. So I was like, what are you watching, Rachel? That's how I relate to it. And it was the the boy and whatever, but somewhere it came into a I deserve. And it was like the parents weren't giving and and they the child felt entitled and like, well, I deserve. And so anytime we say stuff like that, well, I deserve, that is a mouse that is going to want more than a cookie. It is gonna want to continually do that, and it's something that we have to starve because really we don't deserve. You actually don't want to say, give me what I deserve, because if we were to get what we deserved, ultimately, it would be really bad. And so we want to have a grace mentality of, oh God, by your grace, not what I deserve. Because I think we often, when we when we say that word, Rachel, I deserve, we really aren't being truthful because if we were to get what we would deserve, that would be death, that would be destruction, that would be chaos. And so we have to really change it to, God, by your grace, can you help me with this? Not an I deserve.

SPEAKER_00: 8:13

And we live in a world that is so obsessed with being able to have whatever it is that we need at the minute we need it. I mean, if you need something within 24 hours, it will be delivered to your house in the dark, 3 a.m. from Amazon Prime. I mean, we live in the most accessible time in history. And so I think it can also begin to creep into our souls on I deserve. And I just want to read James 4, 6. I love the scripture verse. It says, but God gives more grace. Therefore, it says, God opposes the proud, but he gives grace to the humble. And really honestly, the the any sentence that starts with I deserve is rooted in pride. And it can be so easy because God is so good, Israel. When I think about our life and I think about my life personally and what I used to be like, how broken I used to be, and how I literally had nothing. My soul was so depleted, and I was just kind of messed up in my thinking. And, you know, there was nothing that I never ever thought I deserve. But as time goes on and you're sowing your life into serving the Lord, or you're sowing your life into being in a marriage, or you're sowing your life into having children and you're giving and you're growing and God's doing things for you. It can be so easy to begin to keep score of what you think you deserve. And I'm like you said, I'm so thankful that I don't, I did not get what I deserved from God. Yeah. But also I didn't get what I deserved from you when I failed in different areas or I've had the wrong attitude or in different ways. Like if we start living that way and we start keeping score, then we have to actually begin to live by the score. And I think it rips us off from experiencing God's best for our life. Because if God only gave me what I thought I deserved, I would never have experienced the greatest gifts and blessings that He's brought into my life. And I think sometimes we put this expectation on how life is supposed to go. And God is exceedingly abundantly beyond and above our expectations. So thank God we don't get what we deserve. And thank God that he is so generous with us. I mean, when I look over at the course of my life, it's just amazing what God has given me. And I've deserved none of it. Don't you feel that way?

SPEAKER_01: 10:30

Yeah, I love that thought is when you have a, you know, I deserve, you actually put a limit on what God can do. And I know I've done that before. And it's so, it's, it's the society that we live in preaches this. Oh, you deserve to buy this. Oh, you deserve this vacation. Oh, you deserve this raise. Oh, you deserve this comfort. Oh, you deserve, I mean, so many things. You deserve the ability to say whatever you think. You deserve, you know, and it it is a really anti-kingdom mindset that if you give a mouse a cookie, if you give yourself entitlement, then you really will be grumbling about everything because nothing really adds up to what our thinking is on that. Isn't that so true?

SPEAKER_00: 11:22

Yeah, and have you ever heard of this? This is a new thing that the younger people are doing. And I we did not know about this when we had kids, but there is this new thing when a woman has a baby and it's called a push present. Have you guys heard about this? No, I'm like, why did they invent that after I pushed babies? No, but it's where basically when a woman gives birth, they expect to get like a Louis Vuitton purse from their husband because they had to push the baby out. And I I I'm not dogging push presents because some of my friends, they're like, I got this as a push present. And I'm like, wow, that's great. But honestly, when we really think about it, it is pretty entitled to not be just like, I'm blessed to be a woman that gets to give birth and have a baby. That is a blessing. I think sometimes we think because something's hard, we deserve more. I don't know if I really agree with that. Again, it goes back to-I might be making some moms mad, but is that really the mentality that we want to have?

SPEAKER_01: 12:20

Right. And of course, like you said, a gift and all that, but all of that when it's entitled or when you feel like I you give a mouse a cookie, and then it just keeps on going. And then I think that if you were to see, I think you said the unintended consequences later is really relationships that are now, you know, if I go through a hard time, you owe me this. Yes, and you're always having to do that, always keeping score. And the people that I know that keep score are miserable. The people that I know that keep score are miserable. The people that are like, but by the grace of God, he has given me what he has given, and anything I get is a bonus, are usually people that live such a greater life. And so if you give a mouse a cookie, if you give a mouse, I deserve, you will just keep on feeding that. The second, if you give a mouse is I will say, if you give a mouse and I'll show them the revenge mouse is sneaky. It says, I'll prove myself, but living to prove someone always proves to be exhausting. That mouse does not need a cookie, that mouse needs to be evicted. And I I'll never forget you and I were we went from Seattle and we went to Orlando and we went to Youth Pastor. And somehow it got back to us, somehow, about that. Maybe some of the people in Seattle were like, oh, we wouldn't do well, or we're not, you know, we we might have been good in Seattle, but we're not gonna be good in Orlando. And and somehow it got back to us. And I actually said this out loud, oh, I'll show them. And I'll never forget of trying to show them we probably almost lost our job in Orlando because it we were trying and we were doing all, and nothing was growing, things weren't changing. And I can just all of a sudden remember the conviction of the Holy Spirit was like, are you doing this to show Seattle? Or are you doing this because you love these students and you want to see a breakthrough? And it was like a light bulb went on and went, I could care less about what somebody else in my past thinks. I care about what these students think. And all of a sudden, it was crazy. We had such revival in our youth ministry. We didn't even meet in our church anymore. We outgrew it and met at a club on a nightclub on a Wednesday night. And I'll never forget that because I was feeding the wrong mouse. I was feeding, I'll prove you wrong. And that was actually crippling the even growth in that.

SPEAKER_00: 15:07

Yeah, I think that when you strive to prove others wrong, you can miss pleasing God because it really does fall into the category of people pleasing. Like, well, I want to be good in other people's sight, I want to look successful. And you know, all three of these things that we're talking about today are rooted in things that we've had to learn. So we're not saying this like learn from us perfect people. We're more like, if we can give you a shortcut to the things that God has shown us through the years, we want to do that. We want to help people not have to pay the price that we're literally we had to pay. And when you're talking about that, again, it's just so much rooted in what I my image instead of my character. And that's what it boils down to is there's always gonna be people that you feel the need to prove wrong. And we've been talking about this on a personal level that you're just never the truth of the matter, and the saddest thing to come to the realization is that you're just never gonna make everyone happy. People are unhappy, and it's not our job to settle the score for their lives. And we just have to make sure that we're saying, My life, I'm gonna live my life to please God and not prove someone that's against me or not for me wrong. Because that just gets us off track and it exhausts us, it robs us of our strength, it robs us of the anointing that God has placed us on our life, and then it makes us do things for the wrong reason. And like you said, when we were trying to prove people wrong, we weren't being good pastors of kids who really needed us.

SPEAKER_01: 16:36

Yeah. And I think also when you're wronged and you've been on, you know, you've been hurt by somebody, and you just, you know, there's that part of your you're frustrated. Why do they get away with it? And it seems like why are they still going? It can often even be that too. It can still be that, you know, trying to repay evil for evil, you know what I mean? And so you're you're like, oh, I'm I'm gonna prove so that everybody else knows that they're wrong, instead of just saying, God, I I can only work out my own salvation with fear and trembling. You have to take care of this. I can't try to prove that I'm right, they're wrong. I heard from God, they didn't hear from God, or whatever the little conversations are in our mind. The best thing to do is do not feed that mouse, that cookie of somehow I will show them. And you're just never done trying to show them, are you? And the reality is they're never looking.

SPEAKER_00: 17:37

Yeah. And the thing is, and something that Israel, I feel like you have really helped me, you hold me accountable with. You know, this can this, we're talking about ministry situations because that's been our life. But now that we're older, this goes for every single area of life. I remember when someone really mistreated one of our daughters, and we were able to just come alongside her and be like, you cannot prove that person wrong. And if that's what you work towards, you're gonna, your heart's gonna be hurt more. But what you can do is you can outlive the criticism and you can keep doing right before the Lord. And time tells. And I think that's been one of your logos in life. Like if you're working and someone, your boss has done you wrong and no one knows, and you feel like you need to defend your name, something that Israel always says, and it has been proven over and over and over in our life, no matter if it's in a ministry situation, in a worldly situation, is that time tells. Time tells the truth. Because when people do you wrong at some point or another, it will be revealed in their character and they can't hide forever. And God will defend your name. And sometimes time, it takes time to just prove that your heart was right, that you were doing the right thing. And the Bible talks about God being our vengeance, and that goes for every single area. If somebody has ripped you off and stolen from you, and it feels like you need to defend your name, time will tell when you keep your heart right and you go to the Lord and you let him fight your battles, you win every single time. Sometimes when you fight your own battle and you try to prove people wrong, you're the one who ends up looking like the fool. And God will avenge you. Have peace in that. It might take time, but time always tells.

SPEAKER_01: 19:19

And I uh like you said, I think a phrase that we just always say is God is not mocked.

SPEAKER_00: 19:24

Amen.

SPEAKER_01: 19:24

God is not mocked, God is not mocked. And so I don't have to worry about God is not mocked. Whatsoever a man sows, he reaps. And so, and I think another thing that you and I have done, and maybe we even did a podcast on this before, but even in our series that we're doing now about ripen, is be just you don't have to just concentrate on the fruit, concentrate on God doing, you know, coming off your Sunday is don't do the work of the fruit, let it let the fruit be produced, but the fruit speaks for itself, and so you don't have to defend yourself, you don't have to, you know, people will then see, yeah, but they're not bitter, they're not still have peace in the midst of all of this. They love their they love their kids, they love their spouse, they love God, they love church, and you just let fruit speak for itself. Oftentimes, that is what we've done is we've just said, okay, I'm not going to feed the cookie that, you know, in a sense of I'll show them. We've just been like, nope, we're just going to concentrate God, ripen the fruit in our life, and then let fruit speak for itself. The third and last thing is, and I think this one I want to make sure it doesn't quite go into two. It seems like it could bleed into two, but it's a little bit different. And that is if you give a mouse, I hope they. And what that one is to me is kind of the misplaced hope that I, you know, if you give a mouse a hope, I hope they change, or I hope they apologize, or I hope they notice. And then that thing is, then you get end up getting disappointed again. And when you give a mouse, in a sense, unplaced hope in humans, it just cycles through again and again. And every time hope is replaced with God, then you lose peace in your heart. And I I've done this so many times. It's just, and it's you don't want to do the opposite, right? Where you just stop talking about, don't trust anyone, don't believe in anyone. Don't believe in it. But when I've put my trust and hope in man, I have been disappointed the most. But when I've put my hope and trust in God, I have only been rescued. I have only been filled with joy. I have only been, but there is this human kind of, oh, if I could just, you know, get, if if I if I just hope if they will recognize, or I hope they'll invite me to speak at this, or if that this part will grow. And we put our hope in the wrong things.

SPEAKER_00: 21:56

Yeah, we could talk for hours about this, couldn't we? I I think about, you know, there was a really distinct moment in my life where something had arisen that was very relationally painful for me. And I knew that God was asking me to forgive because I know I know enough to know that unforgiveness is like a cancer in your heart. And it literally can make your body sick. And I know that. And um, I've watched that in other family members that I've seen go through pain and not forgive. And so I kind of like already before this had happened, set in my heart, I am gonna be good at forgiving. I'm gonna just will myself to forgive. And so I was really relationally hurt and blindsided and really hurt by some words that had been spoken about me to a lot of people that I loved and people I was leading. And I just remember the Holy Spirit really wanting me to forgive and how hard that was because I wasn't apologized to. And I feel like sometimes we wait for someone else's actions to do the right thing. And I'm telling you, the greatest freedom that I've ever experienced was forgiving when I wasn't apologized to. And it was like this superpower that the Holy Spirit gave me the grace. I was literally when someone would bring up the person's name, my whole neck and head would just get so tense. And I was having physical my jaw, I had locked off for six and a half months because there was someone who really it was like an assault upon my life and my character. And Israel couldn't make it right, church couldn't make it right, I couldn't make it right. And I felt the Holy Spirit asking me to walk through the act of forgiving. And when I did, there was this freedom. And it was when God asks, you know, when God asks us to do something like this, he also gives us the ability to do it. Yeah. But we have to come into the decision making of, okay, I'm going to. I'm going to walk out forgiveness. I just, uh it was a new level in my relationship with Jesus that I'm so thankful for. But it was absolutely the hardest thing and the most painful thing I've ever had to do. And on the other side of it, you know, just that whole sentence of, I hope they. Well, you know what? We can only put our hope in God and we can't control toxic people's decisions, but we can walk through the act of forgiveness. And now when somebody brings up that situation, it's almost like I have this amnesia of, I don't even know why it hurt me so bad because I'm so free from it. And I wanted to read this portion of scripture. Philippians 4.19 says, and my God will liberally supply, fill to the full, this is the amplified Bible, your every need according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus. And, you know, I just have gotten to the place where I don't depend on other people's actions for my soul to be meaningful. And God liberally, I think when people do us wrong or when situations are difficult and we don't wait for the person to make it right, God gives us more liberally everything that we need to just be happy and fulfilled and finding our joy in him in such an awesome way. And I know you've experienced that too.

SPEAKER_01: 25:08

Well, the thing is, I know the situation you're talking about, and I can remember you telling me, you know, we're talking about it, and then you're like, I'm gonna forgive. And I'm like, well, I hope they apologize, you know. So I could even like it's not only sometimes if you give a mouse a cookie for yourself, but you can give a mouse a cookie for someone else, and you're like, well, you know, and you could put your hope in their actions and and and then, but you could we would the the thing is, I know the story, you'd be waiting till the year 2099 to maybe get that apology, and you probably wouldn't. You know what I mean? And so to put the hope in that is really just to give a mouse a cookie, because then you're even more disappointed, because then every time you see him, well, he's still having apologized, and you're having, and then he's gonna want to shave the biscuit, and then he's gonna need a mirror, and then it's just a cycle that you and I can get off of when we put our trust and our hope in God. And I love what the psalmist says in Psalms 62.5. He says, Yes, my soul, find rest in God. My hope comes from him. And so if you do, if you are looking for somebody else to try to fix it or hope that they do it right, you'll never find rest. But when we look to God, not only does he give us rest, but he also gives us hope.

SPEAKER_00: 26:27

You talked about something that I think is a really good thing to talk about. This isn't on our notes, but I think it's something maybe God wants us to just bring up is I'm pretty good at forgiving people when they do things to me. But you know what? I'm have a really hard time with is when someone does you wrong. Oh, I that is a whole nother ballgame. And there was this time when Israel was treated wrong, and I was about to let him know that he deserved this, that I hope that these people do this. You know, I was ready to go down this list of if you give a mouth cookie, all these seeds of sin. I was about to feed to Israel, and I remember God speaking so clearly, and it's become like this real, like a lesson for me as a wife and a mom is I had a chance to either poison you more or to help you have purpose in that pain. And God just spoke that sentence because I'm a simple girl and God just spoke to me. You can either be poison or purpose to Israel right now. And I had to swallow my pride, swallow my hurt feelings for my husband who is the best guy. You know, when you love people and you're like, why does someone treat this great who has such good intentions? You see their heart and you then you see someone treat them wrong or misunderstand them. It's so hard not to be defensive. But you know, the whole goal of all of this, whether it's done to you or it's done to someone you love, the goal of the enemy is to get you offended. Because if we're offended, we are useless in God's kingdom. We we will begin to spew hate, we'll begin to perpetuate issues, we'll begin to help other people harden their heart. And Proverbs talks about faithful are the wounds of a friend. And sometimes we have to be the kinds of friends in people's lives, the kind of wife and the kind of mom that sees their children, their husbands, their friends' pain, but can speak purpose when it's really hard to see it.

SPEAKER_01: 28:20

Yeah, that's so good. What a great way to end this episode. Just hopefully, and if you're a parent and you already have the book, this will all this phrase will always remind you, or you'll be at Barnes and Noble and you'll see that book and go, no, don't buy that book because if you buy a mouse of cookie, yeah, whatever it is. But, you know, all of these things were some things that you and I wrote down. But the best person to ask is the Holy Spirit. And just asking the Holy Spirit, what are some things that I am feeding that you would actually like me to fast or starve? What are some things that are increasing? And if I could just stop that, then the cycle will stop. And the Holy Spirit is so awesome because not only does he convict and show us, he also empowers us to see that change. And so maybe Rachel, you could just pray for people the the to not feed the mouse that wants a cookie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 29:18

Holy Spirit, we just come before you and we say we need your help in this thing called life. Yeah, Lord, we do our best, but I just ask you, God, would you help us to see the seeds and small thoughts that cause big issues in our life? Lord, they sin sometimes can start as a harmless seed. But Lord, would you help us have the discernment to know wrong thinking and to root it out? God, we just thank you for your grace. We thank you that you help us sharpen our lives so that we can be more like you. Lord, reveal to us the areas where we have wrong thinking so that we can really think the way that you do, so that we can have a long life that is blessed and your grace is on us for what we're called to do. We just ask this. In Jesus' name. Amen.

SPEAKER_01: 30:02

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