S6E01 Chasing Reality with Michell Lott

Which way better to start the new season than with Brazilian creative Michell Lott. In this episode, Michell shares insights on how he uses color to stay in touch with his emotions to navigate life more easily, how warm colors increase happiness for 2025 and how AI allows him to work quicker yet without taking over his creativity. 

Based in São Paulo, the multidisciplinary creator has made a name for himself by envisioning and delivering majestic, immersive, colorful, and playful productions that capture the spirit of the times in striking visuals – whether for campaigns and editorials, installations in collaboration with brands from various sectors, or impactful sponsored content shared on Instagram. A journalist by training, he fell in love with the visual universe while working as a journalist at Casa Vogue. Since pursuing a solo career, he has worked as a set designer, creative director, design curator, multidisciplinary creator, and, for the past four years, as a color consultant and trend researcher in collaboration with Suvinil. His main objective is to make life prettier creating his own reality. 

Transcript

Judith van Vliet: Happy 2025 to all the listeners of The Color Authority podcast. I'm so happy you back here with me for the first episode of this year. An exciting one because just before the Christmas holiday started, I interviewed Michell Lott.

So, based in Sao Paulo in Brazil, he is an amazingly multidisciplinary creator who has made a name for himself by envisioning and delivering majestic, immersive, colorful and playful productions that capture the spirit of the times in really striking visuals.

Whether this is for campaigns, editorials, installations, obviously in collaboration with brands.

Michell Lott: But also he does impactful sponsored content.

Judith van Vliet: Shared on his Instagram. A journalist by training, he fell in love with the visual universe while working as a journalist at Casa Vogue. Since pursuing a solo career, he has worked as a set designer, creative director, design creator, multidisciplinary creator, and then for the past four years as a color consultant and trend research in collaboration with Suvinil. 

His main objective is to make life prettier, creating his own reality.

Michell Lott: Good afternoon, Michel, and welcome on Color Authority. Actually, the very first edition of January, we are in December, but obviously we will go live in January. And I want to thank you, first of all, for being here.

Michell Lott: Thank you so much, Judith, for inviting me. It's my pleasure to be here and a bigger pleasure to be the first person of 2025.

Wow. It's a good way to start an year.

Michell Lott: Yeah, we were just talking about, you know, it's. It's weird to already talk about January 2025. Well, we were just talking about the last month because it is today, the 19th of December.

So you just had your birthday and it's a busy month. And we talked about manifesting about what we want for next year. And I think that's the perfect timing to do a podcast and to talk a little bit about, you know, what we want to manifest for 2025 when it comes to color.

Michell Lott: Yes, I totally agree.

Michell Lott: So I have one first question which is always the same for everybody, and I think I'm going to continue with that for 2025 because I've had really interesting answers, which is, what is color?

What is color to you, Michel?

Michell Lott: Yeah, first of all, I think you should keep this question as the first one for 2025.

And for me, color is the main way how we perceive the world. Color is energy, color is mood. Color is also a powerful tool when you're creating.

But for me, before the creation, color is. Color is the way I perceive the world. I've always been this person who. Who notice color and enjoys color. And for example, I'M not sure if people are going to be able to see the images of us talking, but right now I'm here in my parents house, which is.

Which we don't have white walls because since I was a child my parents used to let me choose the colors for the walls. So. So we choose together this, this kind of yellow, orangish, but I think it's more ochre.

Ochre. How do you say this in English? Ochre.

Michell Lott: Ochre.

Michell Lott: Ochre, yes. Something this mood. And for me, color was always a way to perceive world and to tell stories about world.

Michell Lott: Yeah, just like. Because we're already talking about your childhood. I love that. By the way, you're the second person in almost four years podcasting that had a childhood in which they were part of the decoration.

Normally children are not part of that for sometimes very obvious reasons, but in your case I think you've done a pretty good job. But indeed, before we start talking about who you are today as a creative, how did you get here?

You know, how did you get to the day of today? Because clearly as a child you were already into color decorating your parents home. Who were you as a child and how does that connect to who is, you know, the young man you are today?

Michell Lott: Well, since I remember, I've always been kind of creative and artistic. I always loved to draw and to paint when I was a child and I always also loved to watch tv.

So I, I must. I'm a only child. So the TV used to be my best friend when I was a child, when I was not painting or playing or something, when I always like to tell this story because I am very influenced by the TV aesthetics because when we see movies or when we see TV shows, they are always more vibrant and more colorful and more interesting than real life.

And since I was a child, I would always compare the what I was seeing on TV with what I was seeing in real life. And it was all. I had always had this thought that why does real life is not that cool as the life I see on tv?

And I always used this creativity, this artistic part of me to try to transform my surroundings in something more engaging, as I was used to see on TV shows. So possibly watching TV was one of the main things that made me want to go to this creative career or something like that.

There is, there is this quote of Lady Gaga. She says this in the start of one of the videos. She says, it's not that I've been dishonest. The thing is that I love reality.

I mean, because there Is this scene where where she's in a hospital and then she says all the nurses are using Calvin Klein new collection, of course. And then she.

Justice justifies it.

So I think I kind of learned to use the, my creativity to transform the real life in some somehow in a place more creative, more beautiful. Yeah. And more interesting to be.

Michell Lott: And perhaps more idyllic. No. Something that is.

Michell Lott: Yes.

Michell Lott: Dreamlike. More like a dream.

Michell Lott: Yeah, more like a dream. Exact. And there is this thing people always tell me is that my inner child is very vivid. Yet I, I, I always listen to my inner child in my speeches.

I always talk about that we can never kill our inner child because in the end of the day, the adulthood is just an invention. Nobody's really adult, I think, but people are teached to pretend how to be an adult.

Now that you're an adult, you have to do that. You have to do this and you have to do that. You cannot cry, you cannot have fun. You have to be all these responsibilities.

But the thing is, even though I really romanticized this child phase of my life, I always wanted to be an adult. Because when I would become an adult, I could do whatever I want.

I could do things that I shouldn't ask my mom or my dad, can I do that? Or yes, I have some friends that they also tell me that I am, it seems like I was never a child because even nowadays I do a lot of things children love to do.

For example, I love to go on carousels. Whenever I see one, I have to go and take a ride on a carousel. I love to paint. For my birthday, for example, my boyfriend gave me coloring books and a lot of pens for coloring.

I am obsessed on watching this coloring videos on Tick Tock where people do this beautifully colored drawings.

And yes, I think some, maybe my, my inner child is very present with me until today.

Michell Lott: I think that's a gift if, if you have that. I think it's a gift, you know, you have a strong connection with your inner child today in, in the life that we're all living, which is busy.

And just like you said, we have to, we have to pay the rent, we have to work the hours. We have to, you know, be out there constantly. It's, it's a gift that you have so well connected with your inner child.

Michell Lott: I agree.

Michell Lott: How does Brazil influence like you, you're Brazilian, you, you grew up obviously in Brazil, you still live there. How do you think that your surrounding influences also how you live color well, as you can.

Michell Lott: As you must know, Brazil is a Very colorful country.

And we have a lot of colors in nature.

But sometimes when it comes to design, or when it comes to interior design or to fashion design, people as much considered sophisticated things are less color. They have.

Michell Lott: Yeah.

Michell Lott: And maybe I don't. I don't think it's a. A problem. We see only Brazil. I think it's like worldwide that people take off colors to look sophisticated. I have to say that somehow I always noticed that.

That even though we are surrounded by colors in real life, people really don't use them.

And I remember, for example, my grandma's house, it used to be very color colorful. My grandparent, he would paint. He would paint each. Each room one color. And then I remember that they renewed the house.

And eventually the house were all beige and white and wood and that's it. And I remember that I used to miss that. But the other hand, for example, when you travel to the northeast of Brazil, or even to the north, or even to the small towns, it looks more dreamlike because there people are not that worried on looking sophisticated.

And they have these colors.

And in a wrong way to say it, the poorest the people is the colorful. The more colorful the like the their lives are. And I always admired these colors and this way to put happiness in life and this way to live really closer to the TV life I was used to adore.

Yeah. And of course I can. I cannot say that the birds in Brazil inspired me. The colors of the sunset inspired me. But I think Brazil inspired me in this way.

But other countries as well. I really think somehow we.

We don't have really winter in Brazil, so it's always green and the sky is always blue. Not in Sao Paulo, because the sky is mostly gray, but we still have blue sky.

I think life itself inspires in color because the nature changes color all the time. And it's important. Right. In one of my studies, I discovered that the contrast is important too for animals to survive in nature.

Because the lack of contrast, they are in camouflage, so the predators can't see them. But at the same time, the animals find food in the contrast of the colors of the seeds and the leaves and the fruits.

I think observing the nature, whatever it is, even if we think about the snowing landscape, we have all the white, but we also have the black, the dark brown and the colors of the sky.

And I think wherever we are, we can see colors and we can be inspired by colors.

Michell Lott: Yeah, yeah, I fully agree to that. And I think color had so many functions.

It has function, just like you said, it has its danger. Yes. Or not. You know, that's what color in nature indicates. But it also is just simply beautiful. And you, you are somebody who says that you want to beautify life.

What is beauty to you? And how would you describe the concept that you use for. For beauty or for beautifying life?

Michell Lott: Yes, I want to beautify life. In other words, to make life less ordinary.

I think beauty lies on the opposite of ordinary. But it doesn't mean ordinary things are not beautiful. I mean, you can have a beige sofa and you can have a red sofa.

Which one is more interesting?

And I. I think people usually think in the practical way, and I don't think I am very practical, although I am trying my best to be the more practical I can.

But I think the beauty resides in romanticized life. I think beauty resides in the way we see things.

I also usually say that the beauty sometimes is in the crack in the wall and not in the perfect wall. I think beautifying life for me means the way we look to life and also the way we can change life around us so it looks more magical, more special, less ordinary, and makes us once again feel more like you are a main character of a movie or a TV show.

Yeah, I think that's it.

Michell Lott: I think also our generation grew up obviously on television. I'm also a big television freak nowadays. Last, but as a child, my mom, we would argue all the time because I was again, watching television and obviously while I was studying, I was.

I'm. I'm from the MTV generation. Right.

Michell Lott: So me too.

Michell Lott: I wonder how much that did good to my life or mess it up. I still, I'm. I'm still unclear about that. But it's interesting how you say in. In. In how you ended up want to beautiful, beautify life, to make it more like the lives that we were, you know, looking at when we were growing up.

Looking at how we were growing up.

You have a very particular home. It's not the place where you are right now because you're at your parents, but your home in Sao Paulo is.

It's. It's a set, but it's your home. It's like the Spanish say ogar. No, it's really your home, but it's also part of who you are as an art director, as a color designer, as there's so many things that you do.

Tell us a little bit about your home, how that special place come about. And it's also a place that, you know, when we look at Instagram, we all feel part of it.

For some reason.

Michell Lott: Yes, that house is. I lived there for 13 years and I moved there when I was just arriving so Paulo. And I didn't have much money to. To expensive rent. So I went to live in that house with more friends.

And it is a very old and very known taking care place.

So once I used to work in a design architecture magazine which is called Casa Vogue, which is the. Which is the architectural digest in Brazil. Here we call Casa Vogue.

I used to have a lot of inspirations because I was online editor. I used to see like 50 different projects from around the world every day. And eventually you get inspired.

I. I've. I've always been creative. And I said, okay, so I have to transform this disgusting place where I'm living into some place where is very pleasurable.

And I started with colors.

Colors up for me were always the first.

The first step to change a space.

And it made all the difference.

And then I started putting some design. I am a huge fan of contemporary Brazilian design, and it also made a difference.

And when I left Kazavogi, I start to work as a creative director, set designer and everything.

And I would use my house as a laboratory for testing things.

Does this work? Doesn't it work?

And I think my. My house, the way it is, it.

It was born by the mix of trying to beautify life around me, the place I was living to test things creatively.

And actually the. I have a. A very good friend who now is the director of Kaza Vogue. He would usually say, oh, you don't live in a romantic old house, you live in a trashy old house.

That you made a miracle transforming it on what it is now.

And I am very, very proud of it, because living in that house, actually that is the second house I lived my entire life. This is the first one where my parents live now, and that is the second I had to live in a place which is pleasurable.

My mom always teached me that we have to pay attention in the little details. For example, she would. She would say that we could never have a.

I don't know if you have it there, but when you. You buy some jelly, they come in a cup with some drawings and everything.

And my mom would always say, you can't have these free cups and things in glasses in your house. You have to have beautiful glasses because they make a difference.

And I think that I.

That I learned it from. From her very soon. And I put it in my life. I think even the small details, the smallest objects, they have to be beautiful. And because Even if your house is messy, it's going to be a beautiful mess.

If you have only objects, that brings joy and beautiful to your life. And I am. I have to confess that I am also not very organized. So I always thought about it's better to have a beautiful mess than an organized, boring life and house.

Because in the end, life is not organized. Life is a mess. So let's embrace it.

Michell Lott: Yeah. But I love how you. Every small item in your home is something that is that you find beautiful. Because I think also all objects should give you joy. You know why?

Otherwise, yes. You're in your home.

Are there any colors or color palettes that really connect with you on a personal level? Like some. Some color or color schemes that you're like.

Those are the ones that I just, you know, carry close. Close to me.

Michell Lott: Yes. I have one favorite color, a shade of green, which also, like my cell phone, for example, it's like a. For those who are not seeing, it's like a vivid green, like in the Brazilian flag.

I also have my Avayanas in the same shade, which. Which I'm very proud to finally find one. And this is my favorite color so far. And in Brazil, the funny thing is that people don't use this shade of green because of the.

The flag.

If you use that green, they're going to say, oh, you're wearing the Brazilian flag, or what? Like, it's not a nice thing to do.

Michell Lott: Oh, really?

Michell Lott: And yeah, but I am really fond of warm tones mostly. I usually go to warm and warmer. When I. When I used to do the color research for Souvenir, this Brazilian painting brand, I usually would, of course, look for the global trends researchers.

And if I like something, usually I would make it a little warmer because I think these warmer colors makes us happier. Makes us.

Yeah.

I think they are more beautiful. And I think my color palettes and color schemes, they change with me. Right now I am in a turning point of colors because I was really in love with candy colors, pastel tones, very sweet, very innocent.

And right now I am feeling more like burgundy, more like deep blue, more deeper jewel tone colors.

They are appealing to me right now in this moment.

Michell Lott: Those are very 2025. 2025 is a lot of jewel tones. Yeah.

Michell Lott: Yes. Something more sexy, more pleasurable, more rich colors, more indulgent colors. Right.

I think they are my favorite right now, but mostly the warm colors. But I am kind of understanding now the importance of contrast because I was always a huge fan of harmonies and hombres to use different shades.

Of the same color in the same place in the same outfit. And now I am really enjoying to put like some splashes of cold colors in the middle of warm colors.

I think I'm having more fun with colors right now in this phase of my life and not trying to look organized or to look something else.

Michell Lott: Yeah, yeah. You want to have. Perhaps you're moving away from the harmony. So you're, I think, contrast, it creates a bit more clash, but it creates also excitement, I think.

Michell Lott: Exactly. Yes. And I think in the world we live with all the things that are happening to us.

2025 coming with this Omni crisis, they say it's coming. We have to find new ways to find joy. And when we play with colors, we find joy. And I am really into doing that with my own life.

Michell Lott: Yeah. You indeed say, indeed that you are an escapist.

Michell Lott: You know I am.

Michell Lott: But how do you use color to escape reality? You just said, you know, color clash, color contrast. But is there other ways that people maybe can use color to escape a little bit of the crisis, the multi crisis that we seem to be entering and still continuing?

Michell Lott: I think color always brings us joy, no matter how color, what. Which color it is. I am escapist in a way that I want to feel the energy of each color in my life.

In my house, for example, each room is one color. So in my office, I have like black with a light pink. In my living room, I have light, light blue, but at the same time, my kitchen is deep purple.

And I think color, when we have. We are surrounded by different colors, it allows us to navigate through our own feelings. And I think when we navigate in our feelings, it makes easier to live.

We are. We are more true to ourselves. I don't know how, but this is escapism to me.

When I say escapism, I don't say like, I'm going to deny everything is happening in my life. I just say that this is happening in my life. But I am pretty sure it's going to be good.

And I'm going to deal with that and I'm going to be able to work with that. And the colors helped me to keep in touch with my emotions. And when I am in touch with my emotions, I navigate better in life.

Yeah. And also colors help us to create a nice set to live. It's more beautiful, especially nowadays that we take so many pictures, so many photos all the time or selfies or video calls, and we see ourselves really more than we used to see when we didn't have a Phone in your hand, in our hands.

And once we see more, we are more connected to what we see.

So, of course, colors are important in the. In this moment of life, for sure.

Michell Lott: Would you share with us your greatest inspirations and how you translate those in concepts? Are those Brazilian artists? Are they Brazilian? Other designers? Is it traveling? Is it, as you said, different cultures, different.

What inspires you and what are those moments in which you say, ah, this I can use for the color palettes or for my home, you know, I.

Michell Lott: Think inspiration comes from unknown places.

And usually I like to remix inspiration. When I get an inspiration from music, for example, to do colors, to do a color palette, I don't think I am a person who sees a space room and get.

And gets really inspired by that and say, I'm gonna do a room inspired by this one. I like to switch inspirations and I think inspiration comes from everywhere. I get really inspired by movies, for example, but movies, they usually inspire me on how to edit videos, how, how they are going the camera.

It like inspires me. The traveling as of course inspires us. I remember the first time I've been to Morocco. I came back to from Morocco, like, very inspired the way they use a lot of colors and patterns and textures and everything.

I am really inspired by the. The mood, the moment of my life I'm living.

For example, I. I am used to say to my boyfriend that being in love really inspires me to want to make more beautiful things because I'm thinking about him. When my mom was in hospital, I had to spent some time in the hospital with her.

In different hospitals, by the way. And the colors of the hospital inspired me so much because they were all so candy and even the machines they use, eventually they became like ice cream machines in my head.

Inspiration comes from everywhere. Last week I bought children's book, which the title is what do I want to be and is one of these books that there are the three pages in.

Each page is cut in three, and then you. You swipe just one part of the. The page and then the. The phrase changes, the sentence changes. And it inspired me a lot as well.

It is a Portuguese book from Portugal, and they really choose beautiful words to speak in Portuguese. And this inspire me. Sometimes the colors of the sky inspires me.

I could keep on talking on how life is inspiring.

The good and the bad moments can be inspiring.

Michell Lott: That's true. I agree. Grief loss can just be as. Just as inspiring as being in love indeed. Or being happy. I think sometimes even when they follow up each other Very quickly, which seems to be the case in life for some reason.

You know, grief follows up on happiness very quickly, and I think that is life. But it's interesting how the contrast can create different feelings and also different colors. Different color palettes.

Michell Lott: Yes.

And less romantic than I just said. More practical. Of course. I'm always looking for what Brazilian designers are doing. And I really love Italian design, of course, and the way they style things and the way they mix the old and the new.

And mostly the contemporary design really inspires me. The contemporary product design and architecture.

Michell Lott: But you also work with AI, right? I mean, I know this is something you, you do a lot with. What is real, what's reality? Digital, fantasy, dreamlike. You use a little of a mix.

But has AI changed how you. How you do color and how you do design, or do you simply use it as a tool to create new type of aesthetics?

Michell Lott: Well, I started working with AI because I was seeing so many people talking bad about it. And I started working with it because I was curious. And I really see AI as a tool.

I usually work with midjourney, of course, and I also use. Use some video generating AIs, like Luma, like Runway.

The colors are very important to me. So I will not let the AI take care of this part of the job.

Michell Lott: Oh yeah.

Michell Lott: So usually I would take my images created by AI and I put it on Photoshop, for example, and change the colors to the shades that I want.

So for me, AI is a tool that we can work with.

AI will never work alone without a human being on it.

And when it does, we already can see what happens because we have a lot of very genius works made with AI and we have some very ****** works made with AI as well.

And we can see the difference. So we cannot say AI is bad or AI is good. We always have to think there is someone behind it, working with it.

So for me, colors, the colors are mine. Yeah, I won't let the AI choose the colors for me. But at the same time, I think AI helps us to find ways to get inspired because it gives, gives you options that maybe you didn't think about them.

And for example, I also use a lot of AI to do prototypes of what I'm gonna do for set design, for example, because clients, they will never understand what you say or what you try to draw.

They have to see it. Or if you do a inspirational board, for example, they will always look to the thing that you didn't want them to look and say, I don't like it.

I don't want it here. So I started using AI to approve my projects faster because then clients can see what I'm going to do.

Michell Lott: Yeah. So it's enabling to work quicker as well and not to be wasteful because every time you have to create something and they don't like it, it goes down the trash bin.

Michell Lott: Of course, yeah. Sometimes it makes us work quick here.

But for example, I'm doing a lot of videos with AI right now and I don't have any experience with special effects, 3D or everything.

Now that I am learning to use this video generating AI, I am able to do my own special effects. So as a multidisciplinary creative artist, to have the help of AI makes me give me more hands in some.

Somehow makes it allows me to, to do more that I was not going to be able if I didn't have the AI.

Michell Lott: Okay.

Michell Lott: By myself. I'm not saying that I always work alone, but I always like to know that if I want, I can do it all by myself. Yeah.

Michell Lott: Let's say that you're a brand ambassador, spokesperson for, for some brands that you like to connect your name to. Of course you promote them on your socials. And how do you select them?

Because I imagine you have many that want to work with you. But how do you select them as in your value? Like which are brands or what are typical proposals that are conditions that you say, yeah, that's a brand or because of their proposal, that's something that I want to put my name next to.

Michell Lott: Yes. Right. Now there is this one important point for me which is sustainability.

Brand is involved with ways to make a human race not be distinguished. I mean, but most important for me is that I have a creative view and this creative view has to be respected.

I am not a maker, I am a thinker, I am a creator.

So I do not accept the brands that hire me to tell me what to do. If they are hiring me, it's because they believe in the way I see the world and they believe in my, in my vision.

They, they believe in my creative way.

So this is very important to me.

Michell Lott: Yeah.

Michell Lott: That my creative vision to be respected.

Michell Lott: Yeah. No, I think that's very important because why would they otherwise work with you? It's like working with you and then asking to do everything white and beige not going to work.

Michell Lott: Yes, exactly. I said it more than once that to the clients that why are you hiring me? You know, you should be looking for someone cheaper and that would do perfectly your job.

You don't need me, you should go for someone else. And yeah, some people, some friends say that I'm crazy doing that. But right now I'm making a mentorship of, for my career.

And my mentor, she usually, usually, usually says that as creative freelancers, we have to educate the market, we have to educate everyone. Because if we don't do that, nobody will ever respect us.

Because when we talk about creativity, it's very untangible for a lot of people. They are going to say, am I going to have to pay this amount of money for an idea?

And the answer is yes, you will.

Otherwise you should have your own ideas.

Michell Lott: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's as a color designer, I fully agree to that. And also as a freelance, I was also told by one of my mentors that I should always pick projects also because of who I am.

I'm a, I'm a manifesto in human design.

I need to pick projects that make me shine.

First of all, the project will not shine. But also if it doesn't bring a light inside of me, what will happen is also is that I don't feel.

Michell Lott: You're not gonna do your best. No.

Michell Lott: But also I won't feel the joy and I will be very picky on the project. I'll become a horrible person. Technically.

Michell Lott: Yes. And I think that's a good point because when you're not seeing yourself in a project, when you're not happy with the ways you have to go.

For me, I don't think I'm gonna give the best I can. I'm gonna do just like, okay, let's do this and get this thing finished. But I, I don't think we, we need that.

We, we just, we, we, we only live once. We have one life and let's do the best we can with your, with.

Michell Lott: That's a good new year proposition for sure.

Michell Lott: For sure. But I don't think it's new for me. At least this is something that I, that I've been doing for a long time. This self respect, professional approach.

Michell Lott: Yeah, I think it's good. I think it also, you can see it in, in your projects and you can see it in, in your portfolio, I think. And then, and that's worth a lot, you know, for, for your future projects, but also for you as a person.

Michell Lott: For sure. We have to be proud of what we are doing. Right?

Michell Lott: Yeah, exactly.

Talking about, you just said this is your last appointment, you know, for, for today. But for technically, you know, you go into your holidays for the year.

Michell Lott: Yes, I don't have to work anymore until 2025.

Michell Lott: It sounds weird for you when you think about that, right? But how are you going to recharge yourself because you're an online person? It creates a constant search for beauty. It's also, you know, it's a lot.

How do you recharge yourself so that again in January you can be, you know, the one that everybody also looks up to and you can look up to yourself again?

Michell Lott: You know, I am really an online person, but what people don't notice is that I am not all the time online.

I take turns. Sometimes I get really tired of seeing overwhelmed by a lot of information and I just vanished. Me and my friends, we used to joke that some people goes to the stories and say, hey guys, I was out for a week, so I wasn't here.

And the, the, the truth is nobody noticed that you weren't here. You don't have to tell people on Internet that you weren't here because everyone is overwhelmed with a lot of information.

All these. But right now I'm thinking about going to the beach for sure. I'm going to the northeast of Brazil, in Seattle, which we're gonna have a lot of parties.

And I really like to dance.

I really like to have drinks. I don't know if I should be saying this here, but no children listening, so it's fine. Yes, I love having drinks, having my dry martini and dancing.

I as I told you, I don't remember if I told you on the records or off, but I am really enjoying to paint color in books.

And it takes a lot more time than you imagine disengaging activities where when you just don't think and you don't notice that you are doing it. And I also do a lot of yoga.

I do yoga every day. I do hot yoga. And hot yoga is something that I learned to do this active meditation. I am also a very good meditator. I don't think I meditate in this religious somehow way.

I do mindfulness, which is more like to give my brain a little reset. And I don't think I will be doing this digital detox in the end of the year.

I will be posting a lot of beautiful pictures of the Brazilian beaches. But when I don't want to, I won't. And nobody will notice that. No, I think more than disconnect, this is something that I am learning very well, which is to keep the balance and to understand that if you let yourself, you're gonna spend like six hours in a row scrolling on TikTok.

And TikTok for me is Way more addictive than Instagram, for example. I can spend an entire day scrolling and laughing and researching and everything. And coming back to the inspiration question, TikTok inspires me a lot.

As well as Instagram. I am against talking bad of social, digital medias and Internet and everything because I think it's a very powerful tool we have nowadays for inspiration and.

But we have to be cautious of it. We have to pay attention on how much you're doing, how much it is affecting you. But I love Internet.

I will not be disconnecting this end of the year.

Michell Lott: I think everybody is now gonna definitely follow you. And because they are looking at the pictures of the beautiful Brazilian beaches, which you know and I know are some of the best on earth.

Michell Lott: Yes, they are. And also I'm very good photographer, so the pictures are going to be good.

Michell Lott: Well, as long as you enjoy and recharge and have loads of fun.

And then thank you for your time on the Color Authority as your last appointment over the year.

Michell Lott: Yay. Judy, thank you so much for my, for inviting me. It's been a pleasure to talk to you, to look back in my project, in what I'm doing, what inspires me, and I hope who's listening get inspired as well, because usually my interviews, they are more relaxed and I don't, I, I'm also a journalist, so I learned how to do interviews and sometimes I think that what I do when I am interviewed is the opposite of what I would expect as a journalist because I, I go, my head goes and somehow.

And when I see I am, I don't even remember what I'm talking about. But I think that's inspiration, right? We have to live our thoughts free, to flow and to get us whatever they want.

Michell Lott: Exactly. Well said. Thank you so much.

Michell Lott: Thank you very much.

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