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  Hello, hello, hello. This is Who The Fuck Knows with Emily Rose. I'm Emily Rose back again today with another installment of my, we need to talk about the Fandom series. Today I will be exploring the fandom conversation and general just absolute shit show of season 10 of Love Is Blind and to accompany me and have this conversation with me, I have someone that I found on YouTube, a prolific YouTuber streamer commentary.

Are you, I, well, we'll get into it. DJ, maybe, uh, the Wonderful Eleni, how are you? 

Oh my God, I'm so excited to be here on the pod. Yes, yes. I'm Zani of the Lenius Channel on YouTube. Yes. One of the biggest shows I cover is A Love Is Blind. It really gets the people riled up, the people watching, and. I kind of owe it my YouTube channel.

The, the show for for 

was this, this is what kind of like got you started was Love is Blind. Yes, 

yes, definitely. 

God, that's amazing. Um, you know, I have to say before, 'cause I want everyone to hear all about your journey on YouTube and everything, but I have to say, I kind of need to give you a little bit of credit for me even doing this series because you did a video, um, I think about a year ago, maybe a little over a year ago, about like how it was about how fans are responding to Vander.

It was really about Vanderpump rules, but just reality TV in general. And I was like, this is brilliant. Like, I've watched your video seriously probably about 10 times. I think it's, I it's so insightful. It's so great. And that's what really inspired me to, to even do this series. So thank you. And then as you know, I reached out and I was like.

I'm obsessed. 

That's so nice. Yeah. I love that video. It's one of the ones I'm most proud of. 'cause I really had something to say and I'm a big fan of reality TV and reality TV history and just how it's like evolved, kind of like the bigger picture of reality tv And that was like season 11 of Vander Pump Rules gave a lot of interesting like insight to how fandom has evolved.

How yes, the internet is part of reality TV culture now. 

Yeah. 

Um, and yeah, so I feel like there's a bigger conversation, like this whole podcast of just online fandoms in general. Like I feel like 

yes, 

all of it is toxic 'cause it's all on the internet and the internet. It's like internet culture. Yeah. So.

Yeah, it's a very interesting topic that has 

a lot to it, so it makes sense to make a whole podcast out of it. And you know, like, and, and what's interesting is that you, if memory serves me correctly, you were not like a, you weren't like an OG Vanderpump fan, right? You were more of a Right. Okay. You were more of a Netflix reality girly.

Mm-hmm. And, and these other shows. And so I really enjoyed hearing your perspective being like a new fan or like a post scandal, all fan, as we call it. Um, 

yeah, I was excited. To connect with you because you are in this Bravo content creator, commentator sphere. And it, it's such a community, it's such a big thing.

And I was always very daunted by Bravo and scared to join. And it was just like postal. Someone commented, I should get into Vanderpump rules. And then I did and never looked back. And, and now I'm a little more like dipping my toes in. 

Yeah. 

I'm like maybe waist deep in Bravo now. But I have a lot of respect for the Bravo, the whole fandom universe.

It's like a whole beast. It really is a beast. And, and one of the things that I've been touching on, 

especially when we talk about Bravo shows through this series is that like Bravo has an incredible and unique, truly outstanding from other networks. Um, loyal fan base. The fan base is. Extremely loyal, extremely, uh, can be very combative, very opinionated.

They've, uh, parasocial some may say definitely in a, in a very, in a way that is, is different from other shows. And then, so then you'll have, I Did you watch traders? Do you watch traders? 

Yes, I do. Okay. 

I do. So this season of Traders, I, I did an episode on that with Ashley Ray a couple weeks ago. I listened to 

it.

It was great. 

Did you love it? Isn't she? Yes. I was like, she is the best dude. 

She's so good. I was like, how am I gonna follow that up? 

No, no, no, no, no. This is gonna be great too, because you have, well, yeah. Let's get into it. Because you have been, I think you said you started. Talking about love is blind at the after the altar for season one, is that right?

Correct. Yep. Was that the first show that you covered, or kind of give us an introduction into how you got started? 

Sure. Yeah. I started my YouTube channel really seriously, like January, 2021. So I just passed my five year anniversary creating content on YouTube. It's a pretty small YouTube channel. It's been a long road to growth, I think.

'cause I don't know, I'm not a comedian. I'm, I'm just more of a commentator and it's long form. So, uh, it, it's just tricky to find an audience on YouTube. 

Yeah. 

And I was kind of throwing everything at the wall at first with. My YouTube channel, um, like just even doing like halls and makeup and random stuff.

Um, and I would talk about shows sometimes, which I'm really passionate about. And like I tried a little bit of RuPaul's Drag Race, which I'm a huge fan of, but the commentary market is very saturated for RuPaul's Drag Race. Right. And I'm not a drag queen either, so like Right. It really helps to be a drag queen when you're commentating.

Yeah. Um, and then I Did Love Is Blind after the Altar for Season one, sorry. And that was my first video to like really get views and get attention. And then from there I was recapped and commentated on every season. And it's usually when my channel grows the most, I have gotten the most, like a, a lot of my milestones on my YouTube channel have been from Love Is Blind.

Yes. So have you found, like, 'cause you, you spoke a little bit about breaking into the Bravo Commentary community and the fandom. Of Bravo. Part of the machine is the content creators that talk about Bravo it. Do you have that kind of community or have you, do you see it at least with the Love Is Blind or the Netflix, uh, reality universe?

Not as much, and I'm really just of the bra. Content creator. I feel like there was even like a piece about some of the biggest content creators, like a variety piece or like an article or something where they like spotlighted a lot of the Bravo content creators and they got their own kind of moment recently.

Mm-hmm. Um, yeah. Maybe I, I'll find it. I don't know. Yeah. But Bravo's unique in that way and Netflix I think is too new and it's still figuring itself out and there are a lot of big content creators in this space, but it's kind of like there's a big separation from us smaller on the ground, like and, and fan accounts and like, yeah, Bravo just has this big community it feels like.

And I don't think Netflix is quite, there's true, but that's true. Love as part is huge. 

Yeah. 

So, 

oh my God. I remember where I was watching season one. I remember. I actually remember my, uh, it was in, it was like what, what, right before COVID or in, during like in the thick of COVID. I 

think it was like February, 2020.

So right 

before, yeah. And 

then it really 

exploded. I remember I was, uh, at my house and my ex came over and he was just like, looking at my tv. He was like, what the fuck are you watching? And I was like, I can't even explain. Like I didn't even have words. And you know, I'm not, I've said this a million times, I'm not a reality competition person.

I don't like the love shows. I don't watch Love Island. I don't like Bachelorette, I don't like Survivor. I don't like any of that. But I was watching Love Is Blonde. Like, what the fuck have we gotten ourselves into? And that first season, I mean, it really was just, there's just nothing like it. There's just nothing like it.

Yeah. 

Magic. 

And then for them to like expand into this. You know, uh, multiverse, Netflix reality show, which I love. I love that there's just like connection, like Perfect match I love and I know it's like you 

love, 

I love Perfect match. And you know why? I think it's because I'm so like oppositional defiance about Love Island that I'm like, I have to get my fix somehow.

Yeah. That's funny. I have struggled with Perfect match. Yeah. Um, but to each of their own, I mean, I struggled with Love Island too, and I only got into it just because of the hype, the last couple us seasons. But like, it's really not my favorite. It's more for like keeping up with the, the pop culture that I've watched it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So getting into Love is Blind 

10, 

we're on season 10. Yeah, circle 10 or whatever you wanna call it. Um, top model. Top model. Um, they this season, so I didn't watch the past couple of seasons. I think the last, the last one that I watched was the one with the ad. Okay. Si Six. Six, yes. And so I did not watch seven, eight, or nine.

Mm-hmm. 

Um, but I did watch your videos, um, that you've done. Wow. Like I've watched like content creators, like recap the seasons or like, parts of it, but I just haven't watched it myself. Um, what do you think, was there like a big expectation going into this season? I feel like this season is getting more hype than the other seasons.

Do you think that has to do with it being season 10? Or like, what are you seeing? Yeah, I think season 10, that's a big milestone number. And I think 

they were trying to pick very strategically what they were airing for it. Yeah. And so I did have high expectations of just like, it, it just had to be big, that it's just a big number.

And last season was very bad and it was their first without any marriages at the end. That was Denver. And that was a big Denver. Yes. Okay. Season nine. And that was a big, big deal. 'cause every, like, somehow for eight straight seasons, they got at least one marriage, which is crazy. Every time it's, it's crazy to me, but it happens.

And then season nine, they didn't, so I was like, season 10, they, they're not gonna put back to back. Yeah, another season that didn't result in marriages. So I expected some romance, some marriages, um, and then like probably a good bit of drama because the best seasons have both. 

Yes. 

Like a good balance of romance fuzzies, getting married, hero couple and then also the mess, the the crazies.

And the breakups, yeah. That are very dramatic. So I expected it for the season and it's delivered, but uh, it's, I'm glad it's getting attention. I guess it's going viral. Um, 

yeah. Are, are you enjoying it? Are you liking it or is it stressing you out? 

Um, 

it's stressing me out a little bit. I mean, and also it started out kind of boring and it was hard as a commentator, like when it's just not that exciting.

Like the, and these seasons now, they spend so much time on the pods, it's, and everyone's on their best behavior lying. It, it's just not. It, it's not where the show happens. The show really happens after the pods. Yes. And yeah. So it delivered once we got to that point. Yes, yes. But yeah, I don't know. It was a slow start for me for this season.

Oh yeah. 

I think like I, 

the pods are, they're always the hardest part to get through. Right. But these people are kind of inherently boring. No offense to them. Yes. And so like, there had to be these like ridiculous, weird background shit that we wouldn't have known until Mexico to even for it to have popped off, I think.

Um, one thing that I was reading, and I don't know if this is completely true and I should have like, I don't know, done my research before I got on the mic, but whatever, um. Was that they changed the casting director or that these, there was like a major change in casting, um, a couple of seasons ago that was intended to pivot away from, essentially to make sure that they're not casting people that just wanna be on tv.

Do you know what I'm talking about? I hadn't heard this. 

Mm-hmm. Um, but I would think, yeah, definitely love is blind cast skews more regular 

Yeah. 

Than other reality shows. 

Yeah. And what, 'cause it was that one season with, um, Lord Jesus, 

the EpiPen? 

No, uh, well wait, no, what's her name? Micah. 

Oh 

yeah. 

Irena. 

Yes, Irene.

Thank you. You knew. 

No. 

Yeah. 

That's my favorite season, honestly. 

Me too. I love that season. Great one. Um, but I feel like there was a lot of, and this, I really wanna talk to you about this because I feel like part of the fan discourse online that I don't necessarily agree with, and maybe this is why there was a change in casting, um, or in changing who organized his casting, is this idea that like the premise of the show, I guess we're supposed to believe it has any merit and like they're really doing a social experiment.

I thought, I'm under the impression that now this is obviously just entertainment. Like there is not, the social experiment aspect of it is shot to hell for me. Um. So, yeah, I want it to be entertaining, like you were saying earlier. Um, it does need a balance of all of the like kind of the train wreck and then the people you can root for on and on.

But people are like, well, we don't want necessarily drama, we just want couples to make it to the end. And I'm like, no, you don't. What do you do? How do you feel? 

Yeah, I'm always team like break up when it's not working. I hate when they like drag it to the altar when it's like, yeah. They fundamentally, and that's happened several times this season.

Yeah. 

Because I think a lot of them, more than usual made it to the altar this season and most of them like should have broken up in the beginning 

for sure. 

Yeah. So I, I agree. It's, it's about drama and entertainment for people. Like they do want the hero couple, but I think we're fine with just one hero.

Couple most seasons, that's what we get. Um. But season four is so good because it had three hero couples. Mm-hmm. Um, and people did really love that. Yes. Um, it's usually best with one hero couple and then one couple that's like, we, we don't know. We don't know. Are they gonna marry their weird wild card and then they get married and you're like, oh, okay.

I guess this will work. Um, and then the drama of like all the breakups. Um, but I do think, like a lot of people, a lot of the discourse I've seen is about like vetting the men, because this has come up kind of every season of like. These men are dangerous. They're lying. They're horrible. We saw this season with the guy with the Pilates comment.

Yes. And, and the rampage he went on, which was crazy. 

Yeah. 

Um, and also the other guy that's like the used car salesman. Oh yeah. Well, Steven too in the pods. 

Mm-hmm. 

Alex, the guy that's like swindler vibes. 

Yes. Oh my God. 

The other guy that's like not into his fiance. Devonte. 

Yeah. Yeah. 

All these guys. And I think what people aren't realizing is that like the casting is kind of desperate for men 

Yes.

To just fill the cast up. 

Mm-hmm. 

And they're not. They don't care about safety, they don't care about. Mm-hmm. Like vetting and doing deep social media background checks or anything. Right. They're filling a cast and they have very strict requirements of like, who can be on this show? Like they have to be a certain height, attractiveness, like, like a base level, all of these things, right?

And they just care about how they're gonna appear on tv. And I think people are like, just how can they have missed this in the background check? And it's just like they're just checking boxes and trying to like minimize liability as much as they can, but like they're just trying to fill up this cast and they don't care about who they're putting in danger.

And that's kind of like just what reality TV is. 

Yes. Yes. 

And I think people need to like realize that more. I don't know. 

Well, we saw that kind of in the discourse that's come out since the um, America's Next Model documentary, right? Yes. With all these people that are. Responding. And I know you've done a video.

I haven't watched it yet. 'cause, um, I just, I haven't yet saved, saved, I'm gonna watch it. Um, but there's all these people that are coming out and saying like, how did they, how could they put these people in these positions? And I do think certainly things were taken a bit far on America's Next Top model.

Please don't get me wrong, and I do not agree, and I do not like Tyra Banks, but, um, reality TV is historically kind of, uh, a really potentially dangerous place to be, just generally. 

Yes. 

Um, and so I think, and that's really interesting. Do you think that, do you think that the reason they have trouble casting men is because, uh, men are honest, more honest with themselves about love not being blind?

Do you think women are like more optimistic about it or something? 

That's an interesting point. I think maybe, but I think it's more about like the demographics of the show and who's watching the show and like it's primarily women watching and they're the ones who are gonna think to apply and want to buy into this whole thing.

I feel like, and men, I don't know. And, and it's also, it skews are older. Yeah, in who they cast. So like more like people in their early thirties. Mid thirties. And it's hard to find like single men attractive enough in all the same geographical region, um, that are single too on top of it. And looking for fast track marriage.

Like 

Yeah. 

I think just the pool is bigger of women that know about the show and would be like enticed to apply. Yeah. Um, than the men. The men, they literally have to reach out on Instagram, on LinkedIn, I think Alex, LinkedIn? Yes. No, Alex got reached out to on LinkedIn. 

That's 

crazy. For this season. And it's like, they're just desperate though.

Yeah. Don't put anyone in there that like, just fits whatever little criteria they have and just. Hope for the best that they're not gonna murder somebody or something crazy. 

I know, I'm, I'm kind of surprised we haven't gotten that yet. Um, honestly, I know it's 

scary. 

It is. Um, one of the big pieces of discourse that I've been seeing on Reddit, and also there's a guy Game of Roses.

I just, I just found out who he was because of Traitors. I guess he's a longstanding author and, uh, reality tv, uh, commentator. Mm-hmm. Um, but he has been saying that this season and Reddit would agree and tell me if you've seen this, that this season is like conservative propaganda or like MAGA propaganda.

Um, and I have some, I have some thoughts about that. I was wondering if you saw that as well. 

Yeah, I have. I've noticed in general, covering the show, it has skewed. More and more conservative and right wing leaning. Um, and I think it's just because it's like a very mainstream show and they're just trying to like, kind of go with the flow of the mainstream.

Yeah. That's one thing. But also this is a very traditional thing, like to want marriage like this. Um, so I think the people that are seeking like fast track marriage are probably more traditional, maybe more conservative leaning. Yeah. And it's just a more popular belief. 

Yeah. 

Uh, but then I don't know if it's it, I don't know, I'd call it propaganda, but it's definitely like normalizing just this, this viewpoint and the mainstream.

Yeah. And it's like, I don't know, um, people get mad at me when I mention politics when I'm covering the show, and it's like, 

well. 

Literally you're marrying somebody. Politics is a pretty big factor in these relationships one, first of all, and now I got less shit about it now this season because they actually openly talked about politics 

right 

on, on the season about voting for Donald Trump and all that.

So yeah. But I still got comments that were like, not everything has to be political. And it's just like, I literally just talked about what happened on the show. Um, wait, so there's people that are still like trying to like put blinders up, uh, when it's very much a part of the show, like politics is there in the background, if not the foreground.

Wait, so fans of the show that are watching your channel are, are saying that you shouldn't be covering any political. Aspects of it. Yeah, 

I get it. Like every time, every season. 

It's so strange, 

so strange. I don't understand. And yeah, this season finally, like 

I, they calmed down about it a little bit, but there was still those couple of dissenters, like, but then there's people that are, I, I think I understand where it's coming from, but it's also like, we're in Ohio, which don't talk shit about Ohio.

I found, I learned the hard way. Oh yeah, girl. We'll talk about that. Yeah. Um, but we are in Ohio, like you said, the pool is already small. It's already hard to find people that are in a demographic that would, that would be appropriate for this show. Much less than willing to go on the show. Um, and if you're, like, if you're sourcing from a, a red state, yeah.

You're probably gonna have Trump voters, you're gonna have MAGA people. And I don't. Like that. Like I don't agree with those politics personally, but it's also like, it's just like this weird line of conversation where it's like, so should we just not, what should they not cast in red states? Or like, because like you said, it's already kind of like a conservative leaning or more conservative.

I mean, in the big term of the word, not necessarily how we think of it now, but to get married, you know, fast track a marriage that's. Already kind of not something that everyone that's doing, you know? Do you know what I'm saying? 

Yeah. I learned that lesson with Denver last season because Denver is such a liberal place and most of the cast was mega.

Yeah. And I was like, excuse me, I guess nowhere is safe. So great. 

Oh my God. I, yeah, I didn't watch last season. So I did see some stuff about that, and maybe that's where some of the comments and fans are coming from, like frustration from last season, um, since I didn't watch, I, I, I genuinely didn't know, but mm-hmm.

For, for Ohio, it seems like, I mean, I don't know. It's, I mean, the country elected Trump, so there's bound to be people that are like that. And I don't change my politics based on what these fucking idiots are doing. I mean, 

yeah, 

these people are, I don't wanna be rude about everybody, but I mean, some of the stuff that they're doing and.

I'm not talking about the state of Ohio. Okay. I'm not generalizing. Um, because I got, for those of you who don't know, I went on threads thinking I was being cute and I was not apparently, um, I was like, because notably it takes place in Ohio. It's not in a city. Usually it's a city like Denver or Atlanta or whatever.

And I said something to the effect of like, Columbus, Cincinnati and Cleveland can't be that different. And last I checked it was like 700 something comments, people arguing with me, telling me I couldn't read 'cause I spelled Columbus wrong. Um, obviously accidentally, um, just really like, kind of proving my point that like you guys all have being really rude in common.

So I don't know. I was very irritated by that, but, um, yeah, just. I guess when it comes to the political discourse, I guess I, I'm not as scandalized by it as other people. I also live in the south and I understand that there's, there's other people in the world that believe different things and I don't know that it would make sense for them to, if you wanna show, which I think the next question is, does this show need to keep going?

I think that's something we should explore. 

I know that's the age old question. Um, I was almost ready to retire after the season 'cause I was just so annoyed. And just the men were, I mean, and not just the men this season, um, there's been some women catching heat as well for good reason. Oh yeah. But like, I'm just so, like, what are these people doing?

Um, yeah. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I, I don't know. But also, like last year there were a million casting calls for like every city. And I know my city's coming. So many other C cities are coming, so I don't think it's stopping. 

Are 

you anytime sued? 

Are you single? 

No. Are you married? Um, no. 

Well, what my question, 

that doesn't 

matter.

That doesn't matter at all. Would you do the show if you were 

single? Oh, you're like, girl, I, I'm not hot enough to be on the show for sure. Like, 

stop right 

now. It's hot people. No, I swear. Like you can be on the show, 

girl. 

Lots of people can be on the show. Mm-hmm. But I don't, I'm like a nerdy, nerdy person and they don't cast people like that.

And if they did, if they opened up kind of their looks criteria a bit, I think they would get a lot of more of that regular wholesome. I don't know, but, but they have such strict requirements and, and that is also has always been the age old question with this show. Is that like, why Let's, love is blind, but you're also casting like conventionally hot people for the most part.

Like they're regular looking, but like, 

yeah, 

still not like, like there's not, they're TV ready 

seemingly, 

yeah, 

yeah. 

TV ready, no body diversity. Like, 

oh God, 

they're in height for the men. Like, there's still some requirements. 

It's kind of crazy though, because Yeah, I, I also, I would, if I'm being totally honest, I would love to go on the show always.

I, since it started, I was like, I would go on this fucking show every year. I say this and then I watch the season. I'm like, I can't, this is ridiculous. Um, but also that body diversity thing that you're touching on is, um, really important because. I think if there were more body diversity, it would be, uh, I don't know.

I feel like politics would be the last thing that would have us like flaming out, you know what I mean? Like, because obviously love isn't blind and obviously these people are, it, it seems to me. Tell me what you think about this. Like the people that would actually genuine for the most part. There are some people that I think are on it for like the right reasons.

Like Emma, let's say. Even though I don't think she should be on the show, but I think she has the right mindset. I think most people don't have her mindset. I think most people are just lying to themselves and they're just kind of like dating has been failing them. And so they're like, oh, well, you know, I'm not superficial.

I'm not like aesthetic driven. And it feels like the people that say that are the ones most likely to be the most that way. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. 

Yeah, it happens all the time on the show. And that like, it's kind of a paradox of like, I think a lot of us fans want a more di body diversity, but at the same time we feel like protective of people that aren't conventionally attracted or conventionally, whatever.

Yeah. And we wouldn't want someone with a different body on the show for their sake, because they'll get, and it's happened before on some like international seasons and stuff, where it's like they see the person and it's like they're maybe less conventional looking and they just dip after the reveal.

And it's like, and it, and it happens even without, you know, someone being unconventional looking, but still, like, it's kind of hard to say like, we want it, but also I would worry for them. Um, 

yeah. 

Yeah. 

I would, I would worry for their like emotional wellbeing and their mental health. And I would worry about mine too, because if a girl went on and she had my, like this season.

My God. I'm like nowhere. I'm not the size of any of the women on this season. And one of them, um, Jess, who is just the cutest thing, she got body shamed. And I was like, 

literally, 

oh my God, what would happen to me? Like truly what would happen to me? 

Yeah, same here. Like I, she's like the most petite, tiny woman Yes.

I've ever seen. And it's like she is getting, she's not good enough for this. No troll. 

Oh yeah. 

He is a 

troll. 

Yeah. I'm glad he is going, he's going so viral. Like he's gonna 

I know, 

but I, I am worried he's gonna get the House of Villains call and he's just 

not 

an entertaining villain. He's so mid, like I don't want him on house of villains, but 

he is you.

That's such a good point. And I, I like, I'm. I'm into the idea I, and I like house, like, I guess I like House of Villains. I think it's actually a ridiculous show, but I keep watching it. Yeah. Um, um, I think that people are like, they wanna be cynical about reality tv. So they say stuff like, you know, well he's great tv.

And I'm like, I don't think he is. I think he is just kind of drunk. I think he's just a drunk. Yeah, I think he's an alcoholic. And I think he, um, his like, his uh, what do you call it, enemy arc or, or like villain arch arc. Mm-hmm. Kind of came outta nowhere. And it wasn't, it was like not a big buildup that was fun to follow or like interesting to follow.

It was kind of just out of nowhere and very like weird and alarming. I was like, what the fuck happened? And then did you see that Jess went on, um, a podcast, I can't remember what podcast, but she was talking about how. She realized after the show that he, he started, his weird energy started coming like immediately after seeing her house.

Yes. Yeah. 

Isn't that weird? 

So weird. I mean, he is so like this, I mean, he's, he seems very like red pill then Alpha. And he even mentioned Andrew Tate in the last episodes. Oh no. So he's into this, I guess, alpha thing and 

mm-hmm. 

Not being out alpha. And it's just creepy and scary. And it's scary too, because he hid her, his political views from her.

Yeah. 

And the whole pods. And it's like, 

uh, well I think he like, I think he like outright lied or like used really careful verbiage. Mm-hmm. Um, because one of the criticisms that came out about her was from the fans, which I, I understand, but I also don't. I don't know if it's fair because of lots of reasons, but saying like, well if you're so progressive and liberal, how did you not basically blaming her for his psychosis?

Yeah. Um, and I'm like, I don't think, I don't think that's super fair. I'm assuming he was very clever with how he presented himself, you know? 

Yeah. I think she has confirmed that. I think she's also been using careful language, but she is been alluding to him. He lied in the pods. He didn't, 

yeah. 

Like.

Disclose his political beliefs and he didn't have an Instagram before. He like made one that night of when they had their breakup mm-hmm. And bought followers and all that. Oh, right. Yeah. So the stripper pictures, 

oh my God, 

he didn't have an Instagram for her to check, like he's following the Trumps and whoever.

So, um, yeah, it kind of sound, it does sound like he did lie or completely downplayed his beliefs. 

Yeah. Let's talk about Brie, shall we? Sure. I need to talk about Brie because I'm gonna have, I'm gonna have an unpopular opinion here. Well, yeah, it's mostly unpopular. I think there was like outrage about Brie and, and her on the show, and this is a thing about releasing them in batches, is that people 

started, 

please start because I think it's not only is it.

A disservice to us as viewers just who just wanna watch the show. But it also is kind of a disservice to the cast because then you do have this, uh, strong viewership community of people that form all of these opinions and like get really serious about things that 'cause so much changes because it's so fast and not watching it all at once I think kind of gives room for like outrage pockets to happen with the fans.

So like Brie, which I wanna know how you feel. Let me just ask you how you feel about Briers. Uh, um, 

I don't know. It's hard for me 'cause I'm kind of tainted because I know her political views, so I feel, oh, I don't 

tell me 

I don't. Mag. 

Oh god dammit. 

And she hid it too. Like she scrubbed her socials before going.

It's something I saw on Reddit. I don't know. I mean, someone that had screenshotted that she was of that way. Right. Leaning right wing. 

Right. 

And so I don't like her. Yeah. Based on that. I wouldn't like how she was treating her guy. 

Right. 

Um, but I think she is like one of these trying to get clout and trying to be an influencer.

Trying 

to, yeah. 

Trying to get on tv. 

Okay. I was kind of getting that to You don't watch Summer House, do you? 

No. 

Okay. Um, she reminds me of a character on there, Lindsay Hubbard Hub House. Okay. But Lindsay's like way cooler and hotter, but you know, whatever. I'm gonna stand. Um, she, so Brie got a lot of backlash for.

Talking a lot one, which is like, nah, nah. Um, but one part where I actually felt like I needed to defend her, and now that I know this about her, uh, if that is true though, I will say this. Like, when, when the fans hate somebody, they do go out of their way to take things and make them, you know? 

Yeah. 

Super.

But I, I haven't seen it. And also, like we said, the cast is pretty much maga so that actually just totally makes sense. Um, yeah. But people were like, how did you feel about her kind of spiraling a little bit after the first mixer being like, these conversations like, oh yeah. It felt really not deep because I kind of agreed with her when I was watching.

I was like, there again, the last season I watched six. There was such a camaraderie between the women, um, and there just did not, there doesn't seem to be. On this season, deep connections between the different genders, groups of genders, but also there's not really deep connections between the couples either.

Um, and so when she started spiraling out and being like, isn't it so weird that we like dated each other and like, did all this stuff for six weeks, and then we come in and it's all like, like, oh, let's take shots. Like I kind of agreed with her. I don't know. It, it does, it did seem really weird. What did you think about that?

Yeah, I think those feelings are very valid. Yeah. Um, I just, I think after she kept going on and on about it to her guy and like so focused on Chris, it felt like, yeah. Okay, that's a little shady. Like why are you so hyper fixated on him? And I thought she was gonna be the big villain of like trying to get at Chris and DM him or something.

But it turned out Chris was the ultimate evil villain. So 

yeah, 

she ended up not looking as bad, but um, yeah, I thought those feelings were valid. I think just like then fixating on her second connection after seeing him was a little bit like, 

yeah. 

And she never felt that into her guy. 

No, 

either. 

No.

They're like brother and sister. It's kind of off putting, 

I cut apart in my video where I said that and I was like, it's that inappropriate. I don't know. 

It doesn't, no, no, you're totally right. It feels inappropriate, like guys. Um, yeah. But then as time went on, and this is kind of what I'm saying about though, like maybe fans not fully understanding how the show works and just how much they're filmed and how little we're seeing of it.

And this season in particular, it seems like. There just seems to be something amiss with the, um, maybe the editing or like, let's talk about Vic and Christine, right? 

Yeah. 

What is that about? What the hell. I 

don't know. I have theories or just like, I don't know. My first theory was that production just like kept tabs on them, but that they were too boring, like after the pods and was like, 'cause they normally only pick like five to follow or to take to Mexico for the honeymoons.

Right. And usually it's the five strongest allegedly. Yeah. Um, but probably also entertainment factor and relationships with each other. Yeah. And maybe Vic and Christine were just too boring and they were like, well, we'll we'll keep tabs on them just in case. But then, um, as the time went on, they got stronger and stronger and they were probably like, oh shit, this is our hero couple.

Mm-hmm. And they had to like retroactively film. Like a lot of people think their scenes are filmed like later than everything. Kind of like pickups. Yeah. And I, I definitely think that's very possible. 

Yeah. 

I think 

like, but they, 'cause they. Are they living in that apartment complex with everybody else? No, 

I don't know.

We don't see it. Don't, no. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it. 

Yeah. They don't have any interaction with the other cast at all until the dresses and the tux fitting. 

Yeah. Well they were at the mixer where Chris was acting crazy. 

Mm-hmm. 

Because I remember she was there and I, it was nice. I was like, I was glad to see her like being mad about Chris and like supporting Jess and stuff.

It was nice. Yeah. Um, but yeah, they're pretty removed. Another theory is kind of like, I don't know, they, they have like more dignity and maybe demanded more dignity from producers. 'cause he, he's like a professor and was like, you know, you can't, 'cause they're very religious. So like people are like, maybe they don't want cameras like in the bedroom and in their, like to document that aspect.

Like the physical, some people think they're plants, producer, like actors. I don't know. 

I. It, it just, it simply can't be true. That they can dictate. 

Yeah. 

What, because they, they have to sign so many contracts. They, they have, they have you sign your life away when you join the show. There's no like going back and saying, well, we're not gonna do this.

Like, they, I think they would've just been cut out if they were like that about it. Yeah. But then I'm like, I was like, does this mean nobody's getting married? Like, and so is this the reason why they're shown at all, like. I'm wondering, 

I would feel like 

have to see a contract. I 

know, right? Me too. No. Yeah.

I, I feel like that's possible. Yeah. I think there's only one other couple that I'm like, maybe they'll say yes. Um, who do you think 

it's, 

uh, Jordan and Amber? 

Let's 

talk 

about them. Yeah, 

yeah, yeah, yeah, 

yeah, 

yeah. 

Um, well, sorry, you finished your thought. I was 

just No, he's become like the best, one of the best guys just by default of like Yeah.

The other guy's being crazy. And it's kind of goes to show like he's a little more regular looking. He's like, 

yeah, 

not very fit. He looks kind of like your average Midwestern guy, and like, he's one of the nicer ones. So it's like if they cast more regular people, I think they'd get more guys like him, even though he's, I don't think he's great, um, necessarily, but like, he's not, at least, you know.

Whatever these other guys are on. Well, he's not a psychopath or like a nomad, like serial killer. You know what I mean? And 

I don't say that lightly about Alex. I, I don't usually like to throw around like, uh, that kind of like true crime or a psychology shit on people unless I really feel it. But I really feel that there is something very dark and mysterious about Alex's, um, not having a home.

Like that's kinda nuts, right? Yeah. And like his mom's a truck driver and he like doesn't answer questions and he doesn't really, I don't know. I've also seen a lot of like, it's so bizarre. I've been seeing a lot of people kind of like. Making excuses for him because I guess his childhood was difficult and like reframing the, the season as we've gotten further into it from like, well we thought Alex was the villain, but like really it's Chris because of the big 180.

He did. And I would just argue there's room for both of them to be villains guys. Like we don't have to make excuses for, uh, Mr. And Mr. Uh, I like dark features, which is like the craziest fucking thing. Like what does that mean? So weird. 

Yeah. No. Yeah. They're both villains and like, there's like three big male villains on the season and it's like if they were on other seasons, they would be like villain number one.

It's just they're on this season together. 

Yeah, 

it's 

pretty nuts. 

Yeah. So, um, that guy, yeah, he's, he's something else. 

Well, I do, yeah. Let's talk about Amber and Jordan for a second. Yeah. 'cause I asked my, um, I said constituents, Jesus, my followers Yes. On threads. Um, some, some things and on Instagram as well, like what are, were some questions that they had as fans.

And one of the things that someone asked me was like, do you think that people with kids should be allowed to come on the show? And I have, I hadn't thought about it. Um, but it, I think I have some pretty strong opinions. How do you feel about that? 

Really? It's hard for me. I don't have kids. Um, I don't have that experience, but I do think it is very tricky and I, I, if I had a kid, I don't think I would subject them to this more for like the 

safety.

Just like, well, safe. Exactly. The safety. Yeah. The, the. Time range is so small to like commit to someone forever, like marriage that it's like you don't give the kid time to adjust. Yeah. Um, but they've been doing a good job the last couple seasons of not putting the children on camera, which I think is like a good step.

Yeah. Um, they're not showing like them meeting the kid, which would be very valuable as a scene for the show. You know, I 

know 

producers want that scene so bad, but at least like it seems like their co-parents or whoever they're like kind of drawing the line there. At least there's that. But yeah, I think children on reality TV is like pretty immoral in general.

I would agree. I think already that's a tricky, like you said, in a, just a bad place to be to begin with. And then the nature of this though, I'm just like. I, I think that they should not be on the, I'm sorry. I know that people with children are gonna fucking hate this. I'm really sorry. Um, I worked in education for eight years.

I'm not coming to this with like, as a childless person, but also someone who worked extensively with families and children. These people are some of these men, because of what you were saying about how they're not vetting these people the way that we would like to think that they are, um, you shouldn't, you shouldn't be putting your kid in a situation where they're gonna live with a stranger.

I think. 

Yeah. 

Just generally. 

I wouldn't, I wouldn't. Um, 

and 

yeah. 

Oh, sorry. I think I froze now. I'm, I'm frozen. Um, uh, we, well 'cause like Jordan seems like a fine guy. Jordan doesn't want children. 

Yeah. 

So how far it feels like particularly irresponsible? Um, almost like, and because when we're talking about the framing right, of political beliefs and like, what does the, one of the, the Game of Rose's guy was saying, like, it feels like they want us to take from the show that like, MAGA is okay and conservative values are okay.

And my argument was like, well, I don't feel like that's pushed on me, but I don't know, I'm pretty firm in my belief. So maybe someone who was questioning that would come out of it feeling that way. Um, what I do feel like they have framed very odd is Amber's past relationships and how the ki, how Amber Emma, her kid showed up in those relationships is almost like she's kind of cold hearted.

For not letting her, her daughter meet her other partners. And I'm like, I think that's what you're supposed to do. Right? 

Yeah. Yeah. No, I haven't seen that discourse or anything. 

Well, I'm, I'm just saying that's how it feels to me as a viewer. Like when I'm watching, it seems like they're kind of like, like Jordan's like, well, she never let, like you last waited three years.

Like, if we're gonna get married, we can't do that. And I'm like, yeah, exactly. 

Yeah. 

Like, 

yeah. 

Shouldn't be on the show. I don't know. Yeah. And she seems she's kind of a, she's kind of a character herself. She's 

a character. Yeah. I mean, I've en I've enjoyed her this season. She's, I have 

too 

entertaining. She has her, she has a point of view.

Yes. 

And yeah, she's had some great one-liners, like men will stick it in a chicken sandwich. 

Yes. 

And she's not wrong. 

She's really not wrong. Oh my God. Um. And what's the deal? Getting back kind of to casting or whatever. 

Mm-hmm. 

I'm confused about Alex and Priyanka. 

Yeah. 

What is that about? Were they dating or did she know his ex or like what?

I don't understand. 

I don't know. We didn't get those answers in the episodes. Um, I thought we would, and at least, you know, she was there to like, give him some heat with Ashley. Um, and he felt so attacked and he was, he was freaking out about it. But yeah, I don't, I don't know. And there was like an article about that they, they've run into this before, like production has, and they just kind of kept it under wraps.

Hmm. And for some reason, I guess this time they left in that Alex mentioned he knew her before. 

Mm-hmm. 

Um, maybe 'cause it became kind of relevant when. Ashley confronted him about his timelines of things not adding up. No. And Priyanka was there to like, but I don't know. I thought more would come of that or Yeah.

That there's the ex connection that it's not clear if she knew, I mean, I feel like she must have known the ex 'cause it was the Chicago friend group. Right. But yeah, it's weird and, and I think it's always bound to happen in these seasons. 'cause the pool is small, especially in these smaller cities. Like, I mean, this time they had to combine cities.

That's how 

Yeah. 

Small the pool was. So I think it was just like, it, it seems to happen here and there and it kind of ruins the pods, but, um, he just kept it, they kept it quiet during the pods. Yeah. Um, and that's how they got away with it. 

I don't know. I don't mind, I, I wanna talk about like, rules around the pods and like what you would add or change.

I will, I'll say, I don't mind if people. Know each other or have met before. That doesn't, but I guess it does ruin the experiment. 

Right. 

Because they, it's a gimmick because it's not blind. Yeah. Goddammit. Well, what, what are some of the, what are you, how would you change any of the rules if you would?

I don't know if I'd change the rules. I just want less pods. Like I, like sometimes they, you are seeing a proposal and then you see like flashbacks to their best moments, like a highlight reel. They've been doing that lately to the couples. They don't care about as much. Yeah. Um, and I'm like, just give us that for everybody and just speed up this thing.

'cause it's just, who cares? Yeah. Who cares about some love triangle that didn't. Happen, or, 

oh my God, we gotta talk about it. We gotta talk about it. These three kevon lunatics. Um, and really, I like Kia and Tyler. Yeah, they're fun. I think like I related to both of them so hard in different ways. Like I probably would've walked out the way that Tyler did, but I also have been the one to like, feel like I need to stick it through and have the, like, the last conversation or whatever.

Um, and they're both just beautiful dynamic women that have like, that are like interesting, which is why it is crazy that they paired with the least interesting, least opinionated that would've driven me crazy. I have no idea how, how well I do because, uh, they both came out and said that. They were very vocal about their political be beliefs in the pods, and most of the people did not agree with them.

Yeah. 

Um, but like still, holy shit, Kevin is so boring and weird. No offense. He 

was so weird. I mean, now, like at this point in the season, he's not the worst guy, you know? And, and the cast, there's so many. But yeah, he was, he was a mess. He was giving nothing. And Kia's moment was really cool. That was a fun moment to have this season.

Yeah. The needle drop and everything. 

Oh yeah. 

That was fun. 

And that made, that was like, that made, watching the pods a little more bearable, but then it's also like, okay, but now this is just completely irrelevant. Like it has no bearing on the rest of the show. So like, why did we spend so much time on it?

Um, 

yeah. They could have maybe condensed, 

condensed. 

They could have condensed that storyline. Yeah. Just a lot of, a lot of it. And they end up condensing a lot later on with the real world part of. So it's like we're getting more pods at the expense of this. Like we've seen a lot of people like not meet each other's families.

Yeah. 

Or like, 

yeah. 

Not tour each other's houses like these. Right. Like they kind of pick and choose which ones they show of that. But like, we are losing time to the pods 

pod. Yes. Like we haven't seen Vic's family, Devonte's family, I don't think. No. We haven't seen 

Or, or friends. 

Or friends. Well, maybe he doesn't have any.

Um, to be fair, but like, we haven't seen, oh God. There was one other person where we just haven't, we just straight up haven't seen their family and I'm like, I kind of, that's exactly what I wanted. I love that part. Like seeing the family's reaction and kind of like getting to know where they stand on everything.

We're getting so much of freaking Emma and Mike's families and I'm like, I don't wanna see that much of these 

people. Yeah. Yeah. It's just off balance and they kind of narrow down every couple to one issue. 

Yeah. 

And I don't know, it, it gets a little repetitive, like these last few episodes, I was gonna make a video about them and then I was like, nothing happened guys.

I just put out a post and I was like, guys, nothing happened. Let's wait till the weddings and maybe I'll make a video. Yeah. Once we have outcomes, 

uh, Devonte and Brittany are another, was that the other villain you were talking about? 

Yeah. 

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. He,

I don't know. 

I don't know. He's doing nothing. And I've seen some spoilers about the reunion and. What he's gonna say. Does he show up? I think so, yeah. 

Okay. Because I heard 

that 

a couple of them didn't show up and I was curious who, oh, 

I mean, I'd be surprised if Chris shows up, to be honest. That I don't know.

Yeah. 

Which isn't fair because I want him to be, 

yeah, 

I want him to be there. I wanna hear his, I hate when they don't show up to the reunion. It pisses me off. 

And for once like the, the crimes happen on camera, like usually the lasher tried to avoid Yes. Discussing anything that's offscreen. And that's part of like, I guess the fandom experience of this show is like so much happens offscreen and online of like, yes, people getting exposed and all these crazy things, but they never address him on the show.

It's kind of like they're just purists about, this was what's on the show. We don't care about the online community or anything. But this time around it happened on the show. So the lash cliches need to be. Giving him some heat for that. They need 

to clock in for once actually. Yeah. Lashes. Okay. Um, yeah, so Devonte, we, we leave off with him asking another thing, like how do you get to this point?

Like the prenup. 

The prenup, like the one, it seems like there's some couples who have only harped on one issue and dragged it out, like Emma and, and Mike and Emma was on a podcast too, and she said that there were other things. And I'm like, I don't know. For me as someone who doesn't want children, it just would've been a no.

Yeah, me 

too. So. You did, you guys did harp on it because he said something about it at the altar. 

Um, yeah. So, and I was confused. I was like, I thought he was asking her to answer him right there. And then in her vow, she didn't answer him. And I was like, oh, I guess that wasn't a question or what she, she 

so did like a weird like, um, cliffhanger, like pause for applause type thing.

Weird. 

And then like, was so weird. I can't live without you or whatever. Uh, yeah. So stupid. 

I was like, you guys don't have any chemistry. You don't, they don't have anything in common. I don't rem I don't remember their pods because the pods are boring and hard to pay attention to. Um, and their families, I don't think, I mean, he was like compatible her 

number three choice 

Yeah.

In the pot. 

So, and I mean, bless her heart, I really do like mm-hmm. I feel for her, I really do. Um. I too have like a physical, um, deformity that like I would wanna talk about with people that it would be, but that for me means love it. It's not blind like, because I have to discuss this. And so part of what I was gonna ask you about rule changes is whether or not, like some people have been saying, I saw this pop offer when we back in the pods days, uh, about whether or not it's against the rules for Emma to discuss her, her scars.

Um, I mean it might be against the rules, but I think she kinda has to Right? Or if she wants to she should. 

Yeah, I think she should. Yeah. It's part of her story. 

Yeah. 

Um, and. Like I said this in my video of like, she's just like a perfect candidate for produc. Like producers were salivating 

Yeah. 

At the mouth with her storyline.

Yeah. 

And the pause. And then after the pause they kind of like just ditched her. 'cause it was like, you're just like any other couple Yeah. At this point. But they loved that normally in the real world. She can't like tell her story on her own terms. She can't wait to tell her story really? 'cause it, it's visible.

Yeah. 

Um, and with the pod she was able to like tell her story control Yeah. This on her own terms and it made the experiment feel like it was doing something. Yeah. So I just feel like her type of storyline is something they love that 

you get that. 

Yeah. Yeah. It, it, it validates their whole experiment.

Yeah. Um. Maybe, maybe I should go on the show. 

You should. You should. So I can interview you and get 

Yes. Oh, that'd be so fun. Um, uh, but yeah, anyway, I don't know how I got off topic, but Brittany and Devonte, they, yes. They end off on a conversation about a prenup, which is like, that has to be, there's, I refuse to believe and I don't like to, I don't like to blame editing.

I don't like to blame production too, too much. But like, there's no fucking way. You guys didn't have this discussion until Right. The fuck then on the couch, there's no way when we're talking marriage prenups it, that's a conversation that comes up. He 

is looking for an out and 

Yeah, 

but not by just leaving or like saying, I'm done here.

Yeah. 

Um, and this was like an attempt or something, but, and yet her being so anti prenup and she owns a home. 

I know. 

I'm like, girl. No 

girl, you don't know this man. And I'm always like, 

you don't even like this man. 

You don't even like him. You're not even attracted to him. Are you joking? She is. I feel she's driving me nuts too, because she is.

Yeah. 

She's driving me bananas, dude. She's so, she's very pretty, she's very successful. She's very independent. She has all of the things and yet so desperate for marriage in a way that is like, that isn't, you cannot conduct your life that way. You are not going, whether you go on a reality TV show or not, you are not gonna find a quality partner.

You, you. If you are just like, I just have to be married. Like, why? 

I know. I know. And this show attracts that type of person. 

It does 

for sure 

it does. 

The people that just don't care who, it's like, I don't care who I just wanna be married. 

Yeah. And we gotta. We gotta up the ante guys because then we, we end up with, with really wild people like Brie or like Alex.

Oh my God. Yeah. 

And then his, his Alex's partner. Ashley, I don't know what she's got going on. I, I, whew. Well, I mean, that's probably the value she was raised with to let that continue. But I, I'm, sometimes I'm like, maybe they are gonna say yes. 

No, there's no way. There's no way. 

What if they do? 

That'll be, I mean, good luck to her.

Um, what I said, but no, like, there's no way. I feel like she's questioned him enough and she looks terrified every time he talks about moving. 

Yeah. 

It's like how? Well, I think, well, I would be 

terrified too. He doesn't have 

a 

plan. 

Yeah. He doesn't have a job. 

He's a job or he has a 

job. 

Like, she's like, yeah, in real life you don't just like pick up your entire life and move across the country with no plan.

I'm a grown woman, I can't do that. And he just like, that was, that is like an affront to his nomadic personality. Dude, he can't take it. I'm like, what the hell is going on, dude? 

Yeah. 

Oh my God. 

I feel like she'll say no. I think she is there enough. I think she is. She's just a little stigmatized this season.

I guess he's not, I guess I don't, I don't get it. 

I 

don't get 

it. I really 

don't get it. Don't say Jimmy Fallon. 

Oh my God. Yes, he does. He can't unsee it. Holy shit. He does. He's no Rob Roush. Okay. He's No, no, like he is not like. He doesn't have sex appeal to me. He looks like a, I don't know, whatever. I don't wanna drag people too hard, but he and Chris are not attractive people.

No. And then it's crazy to me that they act this way. 

Yeah. But like, I don't know, hot people sometimes it get even like very moderately hot people, like maybe in, in Ohio or whatever. Like it, it gets them far or like, it, it lets them be shittier people. Like, I think that's why like the, the Bravo people and the Vander Pump people, like, they're all crazy and like self-absorbed and all these things.

'cause Yeah, they're hot and they've been hot and I feel like hotness, I don't know, it's easier to become that way. I don't know. Maybe this is, uh, offensive to hot people, but I wouldn't know. Um, but I don't know. I think like people that are like a little more attractive than average, like. It can get to their head quickly and Oh, sure.

Like Chris and Alex are that type where it's like they had it easy in life or people told them they were hot or whatever. Yeah. And now they think they're the shit. 

Well, they're not. They're not. 

They're not. 

Um, while we're wrapping, so before we wrap this up, I, I do wanna ask like, what do you think the future of this show looks like?

So we've just finished season 10, and you actually touched on something earlier about how like, the fans have gotten so involved. It feels like every season as soon, like within like an hour of them announcing a new cast. We've got the, the, the, the detectives are on it, honey. They have, they have these people's number.

Like you can't really like. I think, weren't there like two people other there? So there was Steven, but there was another person I think that they just didn't show at all that like ended up having allegations. Or maybe I'm conflating seasons. Um, 

I don't recall. But there's been other season, like 

Right.

This happens a lot. Yes. Across seasons. Yeah. Yes. Love is Blind is like the fandom. It's like a group project. 

Yes. 

And it's like we're all working and whoever lives in their city, it's like their turn to be group project leader. 

Yep. 

And everyone who's ever like worked with these people, their exes always come out and 

Yep.

Say things if there's something to say. 

Yeah. 

Um, that is, and of course like a producer, just like clocking into their job is not gonna find all this out. Right. Like it takes the masses. It does. Focused on one target to get to this point, but, yep. Yeah. I think something about like the geographical, like how every season changes geographically.

It kind of gives different people a turn to, it's like our turn to be the detectives and to 

Yeah. 

Like contribute to the, the discourse. Yes. So, yeah. It's, it's a lot of that in the future. I don't know. I'm just surprised there's been that many marriages. I, but I don't know. I, I worry something really bad would have to happen for them to like stop the show.

Yeah. I don't see it stopping anytime soon. 

Mm-hmm. 

They're producing like a lot of cities simultaneously. I guess if one goes really bad, they could just scrap it and redo it. If they feel like it. So yeah, I think it's a big, it's a big franchise for Netflix and they owe a lot of that to like the success of season one and just all the marriages that have come out, even though some have gotten divorced still, like they've gone to more like after a year or two years, three years.

Like 

Yeah. 

It's still like, for all intents and purposes, it works for a very few amount of people. 

Yeah. 

Um, and that'll keep it going 

well. I think at some point they're gonna have to both the network, the fans, the production teams, casting, all that are gonna have to, um,

tell themselves, they're gonna have to accept that, uh, they're gonna have to cast people that are. Thirsty for television because the premise is love blind, I think. And you know, feel free to argue. Uh, it is not blind. No. There are so many things that we, we need to know about someone. Well, and like with Emma and her scars, it's also like the, the race aspect plays such a big part in it.

And like we see that with Brittany and Devonte, who seemingly have only ever dated white people in their lives. Yeah. Um, and then like, but they are not white either of them. And that's kind of an interesting, that's interesting. For sure. Um, and so like, it seems like an unnecessary like thing that they're going through as adults, you know?

I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's good for them to realize that they need to get their heads outta their asses. I don't know. But. At the exp expense, at the expense of all of this. It just seems like a lot. 

Yeah. Yeah. It, I mean, I try to convince some of my single friends to go on the Austin season and apply.

Yeah. 

And they were all just like, I have a job and I have dignity, basically. Yeah. Like those two things. And I was like, damn it. I, 

yeah. 

I could use your intel. I just wanna know how it works behind the seats. 

I know. 

Um, I was trying hard to convince 'em. I don't think any applied, but 

I wanna, we gotta figure out that contract, dude.

'cause I know you, like, I really wanna see, like, I wanna see how everything works. I wanna know like what the, like conseque, like Tyler, when she walked off, like the way that they like, like when they had to like coax her back on and then like when she left, like, what was that? Was she breaking the contract?

Is she like, I know like anyone can leave, but I'm sure that was, uh, not desirable, um, for the producers and, and yeah, like are they all living in that? What, what is the timeline like, and why or why did we see Brie and Connor go to Michigan, but through like, like a photo collage? What was that? I don't see.

Yeah. They make a lot of weird production choices on the show, and I think people think sometimes it's like a big conspiracy, but it's also, it's just producers doing their job and they're scrapping stuff together. Yeah. That doesn't make sense. Or they didn't capture, or they didn't think it was worth it or they ran outta budget just like, yeah.

Menial office bullshit. Honestly, like just, 

yeah. 

It, 

it. It's scrappy. Like some of these seasons, it's not the high production value that 

Right. 

We would like, like 

keeps us locked in. Yeah, 

yeah, yeah. 

Remember? Um, remember that se was it four that they did the live reunion? 

Oh my God, yes. I was so, I, I was so pissed.

Pissed. 'cause pissed. I was trying to stream 

Yep. 

While watching it. Yeah. And then it wouldn't work for me. And I had to watch it like on TikTok some wine mom was just like recording her TV screen and commenting. 

That's so funny. 

It was so funny. But 

I 

was so mad. Yeah. I'm, 

it's, it's not like a. Smooth operation over at Love is Blind.

No. They, they need, they need to get it the fuck together if they're gonna continue on, on this, on this path that they're on. My God. Well, I know that if they continue, you will at least try to cover it unless it bores you to tears. Um, um, I'll try. Thank you so much for coming on, Zani. Was there anything else you wanna talk about or, um, anything you wanna promote?

Um, not particularly, aside from my channel is the miscellaneous channel on YouTube. I cover a lot of reality tv. Um, love Is Blind is one of my main ones, but mm-hmm. I like a lot of reality tv. I come from the competitive Yeah. Reality TV fandom world. I'm big in RuPaul's Drag Race Survivor Project, runway Top Model.

The doc was huge for me. 

Oh yeah. 

It was the whole thing. Um, but yeah, I, I just really. Appreciate pop culture and online culture. And I just kind of like to promote critical thinking with consuming this media because like I said before, I'm not like a comedian. There's a lot of great comedian commentators I watch.

Oh, yeah. 

Um, and, and video essays and stuff. Um, yeah. But yeah, for me, I just like to focus on TV and, and like the bigger picture of reality tv, the industry, the production of it, and just how audiences react. Um, and, and just kind of think of it all and. It's not shallow, it's not superficial. There's a lot of depth to reality tv.

It's like, it's like a way we discuss social dynamics 

Yes. 

With each other and explore that in this like heightened manufactured place. Yes, it's escapism for a lot of us of escaping the horror horrors we're a lot of us are living through and seeing, so there's just a lot, a lot of depth to reality TV and um, I love it.

So I'm, I'm a big nerd about it. And 

I, and that's what Drew drew me to you. And that's why I think if you're a fan of my content, you will definitely love Zel Lenny's content content. And I'll have all of their links and everything you need in my show notes. And you guys know where to find me. So thank you once again for coming on z Lenny.

And you can find me at who, who TF knows Emily Rose on Instagram threads. Follow me on threads. Guys. I'm really popping off, especially when it comes to Ohio. Um, lots of great discourse happening over there. Um, and you're, 

you're convincing me to join threads? 'cause you have to. I have to. 

You have to. 

I'm still stuck on Twitter.

Um, 

oh, I can't, 

I'm a hostage. 

You know what, I'm, I 

didn't hostage situation. I didn't, 

I didn't, no, I didn't. Um, I didn't leave Twitter on some like morality. Like I know a lot of people like took a stand and I did not. I just, I cannot get Twitter to work for me. I mean, I just can't get it to vibe with me.

It's kind of a, a wasteland, but it's just my algorithm just knows everything I'm into and that's, that's it. But I need to get on threads. I've heard a lot more people talking about threads now. Yeah. I think people are there. 

Yeah. 

So I need to make the jumper, it's worth the 

shot. 

Yeah. Dip my toe in. 

Yes. Ah, okay.

Well thank you so much for coming on and I will talk to you guys later. Bye-bye.

I'm gonna cut this out Nice. Now my computer's acting crazy. Nice. I.