Romanistan

Gilda Horvath, aka Nancy Black: Journalist, Rapper, and Activist

• Jezmina Von Thiele and Paulina Stevens • Season 5 • Episode 2

Share episode

Nancy Black is the alter ego of the journalist and activist Gilda-Nancy Horvath, a Romni from Vienna, Austria. She writes poems in Romanes, English and German which are sometimes translated to music, mainly rap music. Her rap-poem "Trushula" (Crosses) states clearly that the danger of dark history repeating is always present - and that even people from marginalized groups are not safe from being seduced by the very simple answers that far-rights give, which are rooted in fear, hate and anger. Beyond this, she is creator of many projects and consulting governments and politicians.

A few of Gilda's many Romani crushes are Charlie Chaplin, Alina Serban, Kali Michaela, Niko G, all the Romani journalists, Dalibor Tanic and his reporting on the Balkans, and everyone in Gilda's portrait series "Glaso," Cat Jugravo, and the Roma Armee with Sandra Selimović and Simonida Selimović.

Works sampled in this episode are as follows:
"Presidenurija," Love Revolution, Nancy Black
"Trushula," Love Revolution, Nancy Black
"Überschein," unreleased track from a live jam with Nancy Black and the Prizreni Brothers
"Dear Ancestors" by Nancy Black, initially written for a project by Cat Jugravo

Follow Gilda Horvath @nancyblack101

Thank you for listening to Romanistan podcast.

You can find us on Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook @romanistanpodcast, and on Twitter @romanistanpod. To support us, Join our Patreon for extra content or donate to Ko-fi.com/romanistan, and please rate, review, and subscribe. It helps us so much. 

Follow Jez on Instagram @jezmina.vonthiele & Paulina @romaniholistic. 

You can get our book Secrets of Romani Fortune Telling, online or wherever books are sold. Visit romanistanpodcast.com for events, educational resources, merch, and more. Please support our book tour fundraiser if you can. 

Email us at romanistanpodcast@gmail.com for inquiries. 

Romanistan is hosted by Jezmina Von Thiele and Paulina Stevens

Conceived of by Paulina Stevens

Edited by Viktor Pachas

With Music by Viktor Pachas

And Artwork by Elijah Vardo



Paulina:

Welcome to Romanistan.

Jezmina:

We're your friendly neighborhood gypsies.

Paulina:

I'm Paulina.

Jezmina:

And I'm Jez, and we're here with Gilda Horvat, also known as rapper Nancy Black.

Paulina:

Yay, nice to have you. Nancy Black is the alter ego of the journalist and activist Gilda Nancy Horvath. A Romani from Vienna, austria, she is writing poems in Romanesque, english and German, which are sometimes translated to music, mainly rap music. Her rap poem Drushullah, which translates to crosses, states clearly that the danger of the dark history repeating is always present and that even people from marginalized groups are not safe to be seduced by the very simple answers far-rights give, rooted in fear, hate and anger beyond. She is the creator of many projects and consulting governments and politicians. Thank you for being here. Can you maybe tell us where you're from, where your family's from and what your beat says?

Nancy Black:

yeah hi, I'm nancy black, aka real name, gilda nancy horvath. I'm very honored for having me today in the romanistan podcast, everybody who is listening. I'm coming from austria originally, which is not australia, not to confuse that. It's a very small country quite center in Europe. This is where I'm born, where I grew up, coming from the group of the Lovara, which is Hungarian Romani people rooted. Yeah, and I guess that's what to say about my national roots, my born roots born with.

Jezmina:

Yes, we are so excited that you're with us because we've been following your career for a while and just being a fan of you in general, and we always love to ask our guests do you consider yourself a rebel?

Nancy Black:

Well, I don't consider myself a rebel, I consider myself a realist, quite realistic seeing all the developments in the world driven by politics, driven by hate, driven by fear. So I consider myself a realist in that case that I think that we need to use our public presence to amplify the voices of those who are not heard in the public because they don't have the reach. They not heard in the public because they don't have the reach, they don't have the money, they don't have the platforms. So I think it's a kind of realist responsibility, if by luck or by hard work or both, we have the privilege to become public voices, to use that voice to amplify the voices of others.

Jezmina:

That is such a wonderful distinction, because you know you mentioned this in your bio that it's easy even for minority groups to be seduced by fascism, and it is important that we're realists and maybe in this case the language of being a rebel isn't helpful. That's really.

Jezmina:

I mean in America, for instance, Paulina and I were really shocked by how many Romani people were celebrating that Trump won, shocked and not shocked, but also it was just so disappointing. And I'm not. I don't really know what that looks like in Europe. You know, I, we don't have experience with that. Do you want to speak to that a little bit, what that looks like in Europe? You know we don't have experience with that.

Nancy Black:

Do you want to speak to that a little bit? Well, yes, and this is maybe also why I don't want to be myself considered as a rebel, because far-right people propagandist people, they consider themselves rebels like Donald Trump was considered a rebel, or people like Andrew Tate, who really promote a toxic way of being and living, they consider themselves as rebels and they rebel against something that is not even real. They rebel against an illusion that they construct and make us believe. And yes, the developments in America are the developments all over the globe, also in Europe. For example, right now, elon Musk will very soon host a conversation on X with Alice Weidel.

Nancy Black:

Alice Weidel is the leader of the far-right party in Germany, the AfD, so we can see that this is interconnected and I'm shocked that many people don't see the interrelation that far-right parties all over the globe are connected using the same wording, using the same phrases, using the same propaganda and, in fact, using the same money, also mainly coming from, for example, russian media agencies. So there is a big picture that many people are not able to see and actually that's really, really dangerous, because our democracies are rumbling. In Austria right now, maybe the far-right leader, herbert Kickler, is becoming chancellor. So this is, right now, a very realistic option. In Austria, there are many Roma who consider leaving Germany, who think about leaving Austria because of these developments. So this is a global trend, a very threatening trend and a real danger.

Jezmina:

Yeah, thank you so much for sharing that. And in that vein, you have such an impressive background in German. Sorry, I'm going to say that again. You have such an impressive background in journalism, from your start in grassroots projects in the Romani community in Austria to 10 years at the Austrian Public National Broadcaster ORF. You've done a lot of freelance projects for Roma and much more, and there's so much to talk about on the topic of Romani involvement and representation in the media. It's kind of hard to know where to start. So what would you like listeners to know about your experience and insights as a Romani journalist advocating for Romani rights?

Nancy Black:

Well, maybe let's start with the most controversial thing. So right now, I'm active since more than 20 years. I started out when I was approximately 17, starting in journalism at the Public National ORF, and I was approximately in the beginning of my 20s, like 23, 24 years old and after 20 years doing this, I can say that and this might be unpopular what I'm saying right now but I think we have to leave the focus into our minority communities. I love being active for the Romani community. I'm proud being Romani and always was out there as a person, as a Roma person making rap in Romani language. So I think there's no doubt that I'm super proud representing Romani culture.

Nancy Black:

But on the other hand, I see that the system is dividing us. It's dividing the oppressed groups. There is the Muslim groups, there is the LGBTQ community, there is the black people, there is the brown people. There is the black people, there is the brown people, there is the poor people. So we are divided by many different layers and politics and power is segregating us.

Nancy Black:

Just to put up one example I'm going to a conference against anti-Gypsyism or anti-Syrianism. Another person another Jess, another Paulina, another Gilda is joining a conference on Muslimophobia. A third Jess, paulina or Gilda is joining a conference against homophobia and so on. And if you join these conferences, we all have the same problems, we all struggle the same patterns, we all have the same wishes for the future, but we stay divided by these different conferences, by different channels of funding and this kind of system. It holds us back from uniting all the oppressed groups who struggle the very same problems.

Nancy Black:

But while we stay in our small community, like the Romani community activism, the Muslimophobia activism, the anti-LGBTQ activism, we never unite on a meta level. And what I'm trying to do in the future in the next project, is actually leaving this kind of small activism and going to much stronger networking with those people who fight for other communities and also the fight against destructive capitalism became a very important thing because everybody who is an activist is in a very privileged situation. You must afford it to be an activist. If you struggle with your everyday money, if you don't have enough to eat, if you don't know how to care for your family and your children, you have no time to be a political activist. So the main division in society is between the rich and the poor, and identity politics nowadays is just used by the far right to separate us the activists or the civil society activist people.

Paulina:

Yeah, that sounds like a lot. It kind of I, I am just a dark person. So I want to ask this next question um, it's okay for you to, you know, to be like as honest as you want to be, I would say, but I want to ask just throughout your activism work, or even throughout your career, what do you think has caused the most controversy, um, during your career, and how have you handled that, and whether that includes controversy coming from obviously outside the culture or even sometimes inside the community, just because we know how that can be well, to start with the inside, the community.

Nancy Black:

I think I share the struggle that many women feel in their lives when they are becoming independent entities, when they take on a job, when they become just an independent entity as a human being. For sure, in more conservative families not in every Romani family, but in many conservative communities we struggle the problem of not immediately having a marriage and becoming a mother. So I think this is still quite stigmatized being an individual that chooses to have an individual life and putting her own life as a priority and not immediately become married or become independent by somebody else in financial, but also in mental and mindset means. And for many families it's not a problem of intolerance. But I understand that many mothers and many fathers are concerned about the future of their daughters because there is still the fact that we don't receive the same money paid for the same work, we don't receive the same recognition as our male counterparts do. So it's hard out there still for women today, especially for a woman from a minority community. So this is the inside struggle. The outside struggle was I'm open anti-fascist and I think everybody should be, especially coming from Austria. We have a certain history with Hitler and the Holocaust, so people who don't know this are going out there to young people. If you don't know what that means, please Google that, inform yourself, learn history. So the struggle that I had with the external environment was when I had to release Truffula, which is a song about having Nazis also inside the Romani community, and it was based on the true story that was happening to me.

Nancy Black:

When we had presidential elections in 2017 in Austria, there was Romani people collaborating with the far-right party, and I started protesting against that, and they made a press release saying all the Romani people will vote for the far-right candidate, which was a lie. Sure, it was fake news. However, they released a video about me that was lying about me, harassing me, calling me a liar. It was talking about me having millions of euros that vanished somewhere, and they really tried to destroy my public person as a journalist and as a human being, and what I did then was I was thinking about how can I respond to that without being a victim? So I created Nancy Black as a rapper.

Nancy Black:

I sat down in front of the computer and I was writing the Trusula rap, in which I actually described the development of Romani people collaborating with Nazis and what that means to us and the first video version that was online only for a few weeks. It was actually showing only pictures of different memorials of Auschwitz, of Jasenovac, of all these places where our people were killed in the background. So actually it was blocked by Facebook after a few weeks, sure, but I released it and suddenly thousands of people started defending me online. So all the people who saw Trushula became like an army against the anti-fascists and also against those who were lying against me, and it was very much more successful than I thought. I received a lot of support by thousands of people 10 years ago on Facebook, and this is how Nancy Black was actually born.

Nancy Black:

And since that day, nazis never attempted me publicly, but since that day, every homepage I released gets hacked in between four days. This is if people out there ask themselves why I have no homepage. It's because each time I start a new homepage it becomes hacked instantly, like I'm super blacklisted in all the Nazi forums, all the far-right activist forums, which is actually an honor. But it's actually a pity because projects like the Rome blog, for example, I had to start it already three times because the website gets hacked again and again and again.

Jezmina:

Wow, it's incredible that you created a piece of art that people are still talking about and are still so threatened by that. I mean, that is so impressive. I would be so proud. I'm very proud of you. It's so deeply messed up. But let's talk more about why rap. I mean, we also want to talk more about feminism, but since we're talking about this now, what made you turn to rap as an art form to respond to this?

Nancy Black:

Well, I think that's the completely logical choice. Rap was always the language of the oppressed communities. Rap was always the language of poor people, so it's anti-capitalist and it's coming from minority roots as its origin. Rap is nothing that was born in the privileged class, so, for sure, all these black movements always have been very powerful to me, and it's also a generation thing, so I'm born in 83. So I was growing up with Tupac, shakur and Dr Dre and everything they said, which was quite a great influence, and strong women like Lauryn Hill and Alia and TLC coming up back then and rappers like Left Eye, and I was super influenced by those rappers and I learned English actually through MTV and learning English rap texts right.

Paulina:

I love that.

Nancy Black:

And I think that's a generation thing. I think all the people in our age or who know that music they love this music. It's so much rooted inside us. So I still listen to that music and super inspired by, for example, nas.

Nancy Black:

The text of Nas is like it's just a text about what you can become if you just believe in it, that you shouldn't be stopped by things like capitalism or class discrimination. It's empowerment music. This is why I chose rap, because I think it's empowerment music. This is why I chose rap, because I think it's empowerment music. That is what it's all about. Mainly, even if a black person is having a Rolls Royce and a Rolex, it's still about the empowerment of people who come from the bottom, going to the top, being able to do that.

Nancy Black:

All of this is rap for me, and doing rap in Romani language was just logic. It was just logic because the Romani language, as we know, is dying, and also the fact that Chachipiti is able to speak Romanesque nowadays. It doesn't safeguard our language, because it doesn't mean that our people learn Romanesque at home or use it in their everyday life. It just means that the violence capitalism is also able to speak Romanesque. That's all it means to me. So I think it was just logical to start rapping in Romanesque, mainly because I wanted other young people to start rapping in their mother language.

Nancy Black:

you and why do you feel it's important to talk about? Well, actually, first, like I never titled myself as a feminist. It's similar to me, as, like the question when you ask if I consider myself a rebel, I think this is. If I call myself feminist, it's true in the ways I do it or what I do or how I focus it, but again, I just think this is a completely normal, unideologic necessity, because I want to earn the same money as my male counterpart. It's just like fair. It shouldn't have any ideology, it's just like fair. I want to be paid the same money as a human being. And now maybe you cut it out, but I don't care.

Nancy Black:

Just having a vagina for me doesn't mean I need to create a whole ideology around the vagina. You know, it's not about that. It's about having fair payment for all human beings, having the same chances for all human beings. It's about having equality and it shouldn't matter what gender you have. It's male, it's female, it's beyond. It's transgender, it's non-binary, it doesn't matter.

Nancy Black:

Really, I appreciate and embrace all of these genders and mindsets, but I think also, again, just being a feminist is not enough for me. I think I consider myself mainly a human rights activist because it's the human right that's behind that. That should be equal for everybody. Yes, and I really think that term of feminism is so much abused, it's raped by the far-right propaganda in the term actually what it means and why it actually started out the whole thing. And they have the propaganda like feminists destroy families because they are not ready to have enough children, like what. That's super crazy and there is also people in our communities who believe these narratives. So I'm trying to get away from the whole vagina narrative going there that me as a human being, I wanted to be treated equally. It doesn't matter if I'm a woman, if I'm non-binary, if I don't consider myself a gender at all. Maybe I'm pansexual, maybe I just see the souls of other people. Whatever, I want to be treated equally and it shouldn't matter what's my gender yeah, I love that narrative.

Paulina:

I think there's also this, like, I feel, just educating people like we're not fighting for better rights, like we're just fighting for equal rights, like that's it, like we just want equal rights as everyone else, and I think, of course, because feminism is rooted in, I think, femininity. There's just that instant, like you know, hatred towards it from the world to a degree. Yeah and we run into.

Nancy Black:

There's a lot of women who don't consider they are female by biology but they do consider themselves as feminine right, consider themselves as feminine right. So I think this is just a very binary way of seeing the world and I think leaving these borders holding us back again from the unification, from uniting with all the oppressed groups. We need to leave these borders in our heads beyond.

Jezmina:

Yeah, absolutely, and feminism as a term and as an ideology can have its limitations. Like we talk about TERFs a lot, you know people who deny trans women their right to exist, and that's within the certain feminist movements and that's, you know, not where we want to be. I've heard the term gender liberationist, which I really liked. I was like, oh, that's a nice one, but I really love your focus on anti-capitalism and what you were saying earlier about how identity politics can be used to further divide us, and at this point it's really about money, and especially with billionaires literally running countries and the world, especially with billionaires literally running countries and the world, this feels like a really important shift in conversation.

Song:

You have the oil you shine, you have the oil you shine and we are all one. Stop take two.

Jezmina:

For all you dreamers out there we love to ask this question as well, because we like opportunities to shout out people who we like. Who is your Romani crush? Who is someone you?

Nancy Black:

really admire? Yeah, I love that question so much. Well, there is many. Actually, my whole work is based on admiring other people. So just to mention, like, maybe one that is not alive anymore, but I think I draw so much inspiration from Charlie Chaplin. For example, one of my first translation projects was actually translating his speech from the film the Great Dictator to Romani language. It was so inspiring to me. Also, many people don't know that Charlie Chaplin is also Roma, also has Roma roots, and just giving a shout out to the documentary that is published soon that is putting attention to his Romani roots, and this documentary about Charlie Chaplin is produced by his family, but a part of the family who is actually Romani and wants the world to know that he was Romani too. So, really shouting out this proposal Watch that film coming very soon.

Nancy Black:

Another one that, or many that, that I really really like, for sure. Um, I mentioned both because I see them also on your channels. It's alina sherban, with which I had the honor to spend some days in germany, where I was really inspired by her craziness, by her courage, for her sexiness, for sure. Kali Mikaela, with her rap crew and her rituals and her visuality, and her colleagues, like Nico the rapper. I really love those guys too. I like or push all the Romani journalists out there. Shout out to all of you publishing out there. The Romani journalists out there. Shout out to all of you publishing out there. There is, for example, dalibor Tanic, who is doing media work on the Balkans since years. We are connected. I really love the work that he's doing.

Nancy Black:

Also, I made some portraits about people I admire the whole glass of portrait series. I received the Journalism Excellence Prize actually for this portrait series last year, in 2024. And the whole glass of portrait series is just about people that I admire. It's just portraits about Romani people that I admire and there is many, many people from many different countries. So just shouting out there you can go online and search for it.

Nancy Black:

There is just thinking about it because there is something a great artist beyond any binary gender, because we talked about it performance artist. She made me actually make a ritual that was based on calling my ancestors with a letter called Dear Ancestors. This is actually based on the idea of Kajugravu, who was collecting, who was searching for people who write a letter to their ancestors as a part of a mobile memorial their ancestors as a part of a mobile memorial. Also a very, very great person that I admire a lot the whole Roma army, including Simonida and Sandra Selimovic, sisters from the Balkans living in Vienna, who were part of the Roma army theater play. So wow, I think I could talk the whole hour about all the people I admire, but maybe I come up with two or three more names, yeah.

Jezmina:

Wow, there are so many exciting things there that I wanted to ask about First what's the portrait series called that you did?

Nancy Black:

The portrait series is called Glasso, actually in one of the Romani dialects, translated with voice, and in this portrait series I'm writing about Romani persons that I really admire, who do great things and, as I write in the introduction of this portrait series, this is a portrait series about people who change the world and who are merely ever as things beyond their ethnicity. So the focus of these interviews is not their ethnicity. They are not interviewed because they are Romani. They are interviewed because I think they change the world with the stuff they do. So there is people like Khachugravu that I already mentioned. There is a portrait of Dalibor Tanic with his journalistic work for Democracy, but there is also a portrait about Branislav Nikolic that we call Papu, who is now he will be, I think, 65, 70 years old soon and he's a programmer, an IT person who is coding, but he looks like a super wise old aramid, kind of like a Papu. Right, he looks like a Papu.

Nancy Black:

Then you sit in front of him and he's telling you about artificial intelligence and the new coding languages that's coming up and how we create algorithms and how they intersect with our realities, and you're like, wow, this guy is doing radio since 40 years for Romani people in Romani language, so there is a lot of great people portrayed. Also Alina Sherban has a portrait there and many other great Romani people that you can read about in the Glossoportrait series, and it was published on Deutsche Welle Europe and now, thanks to JGPT, just copy the text and put it in and you can translate it to your language so you can read it. Because, again, my Rome blog always is hacked, but I hope to be online again soon.

Jezmina:

Yeah, and can you tell us more about the ritual? That sounds amazing too for your ancestors.

Nancy Black:

Yeah, so actually the idea was I was meeting Katju Gravu online in Zoom. It was still like the end of the Corona time, so we couldn't meet in person. In the beginning and she was asking me. She was telling me about the memorial project that she was doing in her artwork, which was having a mobile memorial which was made of different audio boxes that are positioned in spaces where very bad things genocidal things were happening to Romani people, and she asked me if I would write a letter to my ancestors. So first the question was actually if I could write a letter to one of my ancestors. And I ended up writing a letter to all of my ancestors and this is an audio file with the title Dear Ancestors Maybe we also can hear a little bit in the podcast today and it actually promises my ancestors. I'm promising to my ancestors that I will contribute to never forgetting their history and their fight. But it also says that we have gained a lot of power, that we have a lot of magic, that we have not only the trauma but we also have a lot of power, that we have a lot of magic, that we have not only the trauma but we also have a lot of strength actually by accessing the strength of our ancestors.

Nancy Black:

And just to give one example what I mean by that sometimes I am having dialogues about fundraising proposals. Many activists know that you have to go somewhere, you have an appointment and you have to talk about money. How much money do you need for your project? Why do you want that money for your project? You have to justify yourself right.

Nancy Black:

And when I go to these kind of conversations I'm having a mindset trick that I'm really proposing to everyone out here who is in this situation. I'm calling my ancestors and I'm imagining to enter the room with all the ancestors behind me, and this is actually giving a kind of power and self-confidence in these conversations. That is invisible, but it is there, it's present. The people who sit in front of me having the conversation. They can feel that there is something beyond the targets or the wishes of the two individuals sitting there. There is a whole history of survivors, people who survived the Nazis, people who survived the Holocaust, but people who before that already had a long history of survival and becoming strong.

Nancy Black:

So sitting there with the ancestors behind me, just having the thought, it changes the whole way I have the conversation. It changes the outcome. It changes the whole way I have the conversation. It changes the outcome, it changes the output of what's coming up and I think that's very powerful. And it's the opposite of being ashamed for being a Romani person. I think that's the very opposite mindset To walk into a room with the consciousness of who you are, because of who your ancestors were.

Song:

Dear ancestors, I'm calling you, I'm feeling you. We shall become your mouth to speak in the present. You shall become our strength to fight in the future. We are one through our common faith created in the past. This is our trans-dimensional pact. Our ancestors, our present people, our future movement shall fight. Fight as one, shall fight as one in all times and spaces.

Paulina:

Outsmarting death. We actually have an ancestor workshop coming up in March, so we really strongly believe in that, do you? Want to talk about that a little bit Jess.

Jezmina:

Yeah, I mean, thank you so much for sharing about that ritual. That is so moving and I just love this idea of solidarity and empowerment through ancestor work, so that's just so gorgeous. Yeah, we've been really enjoying teaching ancestor communication using tarot and how to use your tarot practice to commune with all types of ancestors and for listeners. We finally set the dates for our Romanistan Festival. It'll be March 28th till March 30th in New Orleans and a lot of it will be hosted at Cottage Magic in New Orleans and there'll be at least a couple of other venues will be doing some things with the Tennessee Williams Festival, so stay tuned. That'll be on the website, but, if you're there, we'll be teaching an ancestor communication workshop again at Cottage Magic, so that'll be really cool. But wow, that is amazing. You've been involved in so many projects. Um, paulina, is there anything else you wanted to ask?

Paulina:

do you have anything coming up on the horizon that our guests could look out for?

Nancy Black:

well, yes, sure, I'm having a lot of things coming up on the horizon, but my main problem is that all the great things I do in the present, I'm never allowed to talk about it because the funding is not there yet or it is something with politics, or it is something with global affairs future. But actually I can tell you that there is a lot of things coming up and most of them are actually already beyond the segregation of small communities. It's about the unification of oppressed communities. A lot is about the consulting of people who fight for social democracy and against capitalism. So a lot of it is in politics, fighting actually the whole far-right development around the globe, also doing a lot of stuff that is contributing to raising consciousness and leaving like the small patterns.

Nancy Black:

And also, yes, something that I can tell you is that I will start teaching as a guest professor now in March, actually in Munich at the University for Social Science, where I will have a whole class for two semesters actually. So it's not only one semester, I'm very honored to do it for two semesters in Munich on leadership and disruptive. Actually, it's disruptive leadership, leadership in social innovation, and I'm very happy to be that I was chosen actually to teach that topic to social science students and it will be hilarious that somebody who is, as I consider myself, like anarchistic and chaotic methods like, for example, I'm using theatralic intervention with classrooms, which for other people really looks like strange if I do it, but obviously this university is progressive enough to do it, so I'm very honored to teach in the coming year. So a leadership, and this is also why, in the coming year, I will have an online masterclass on actually leading social innovation. And, yeah, if it's officially, if I start with it Romanistan podcast you will hear from me. I will send you immediate invitation.

Jezmina:

Please do. Oh my gosh, you're going to be such a wonderful professor. They're really lucky to have you. I want to take your classes. We will keep everyone posted. Yes, we would love to. Is there anything you want to share before we wrap up today?

Nancy Black:

Well, I want to share so much. In fact, I think I share what I can share all the time, but maybe there is one thing that I want to share to the people who listen. Sometimes I receive emails and usually they start with it took me so long to contact you. I was so afraid because I feel so small and you are famous and whatever. So, to the people out there, don't worry, you can approach me anytime. Just send me an email.

Nancy Black:

You know I'm nancyblack101 on Instagram, so I do my social media stuff by my own. There is no agency, there is no management. I do it by myself. If you have a question, if you need support, if you are not sure how to go on with your next project or development, or just need some whatever spiritual conversation about the stars I don't know you, but I don't care. You can send me an email, you can call me and I'm very open to meet people who feel the need to meet me. So namaste to all the light souls out there, um, if you have feel the need to get to know me, just do it.

Jezmina:

I'm here thank you so much. It's been such a pleasure talking with you. We really appreciate your, your time and everything that you've shared. Um, so listen, yeah sorry, go ahead, paulina.

Paulina:

Yeah, this has been an honor. We love and appreciate you yes, so listeners.

Jezmina:

Um, yeah, follow nancy black 101 on instagram. Yeah, follow NancyBlack101 on Instagram. Stay up to date with what's going on and we are so grateful for y'all tuning in. And what a way to kick off season five. You're our first interview of season five, very exciting, and yeah, thank you for being here, everyone. Yay.

Nancy Black:

I thank you too, namaste, and I hope that people also have fun listening to the music in this podcast series. Forward it to everybody who needs a little bit of light and hope. And thank you, Romanistan Podcast, for existing. Nice to meet you thank you.

Paulina:

Thank you for listening to Romanistan Podcast.

Jezmina:

You can find us on Instagram, TikTok and Facebook at Romanistan Podcast and on Twitter at RomanistanPod, To support us, join our Patreon for extra content or just donate to our Ko-Fi fundraiser, ko-ficom backslash romanistan, and please rate, review and subscribe. It helps people find our show.

Paulina:

it helps us so much you can follow jez on instagram at jasminavantila and paulina at romani holistic. You can get our book secrets of rom-Telling online or wherever books are sold. Visit romanistanpodcastcom for events, educational resources and more. Email us at romanistanpodcast at gmailcom for inquiries.

Jezmina:

Romanistan is hosted by Jasmina Von Tila and Paulina Stevens, conceived of by Paulina Stevens, edited by Victor Pachas, with music by Victor Pachas and artwork by Elijah Vardo.