Romanistan

O Verda Darano Spooky Stories Takeover

• Jezmina Von Thiele and Paulina Stevens • Season 5 • Episode 21

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Pierce & Raquel Horvath, hosts of O Verda Darano by Dead Scared Entertainment, takeover Romanistan for our annual spooky stories episode! 

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Romanistan is hosted by Jezmina Von Thiele and Paulina Stevens

Conceived of by Paulina Stevens

Edited by Viktor Pachas, Bianca, Dia Luna

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SPEAKER_05:

Welcome to the mic.

SPEAKER_03:

Maybe it's story.

SPEAKER_05:

I guess we'll remove the case.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank God.

SPEAKER_00:

Thanks for letting us breathe, but I'm not gonna lie, I kind of like being tied up a little.

SPEAKER_01:

I would not complain.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, hello everyone.

unknown:

How are you?

SPEAKER_01:

Hey, we're so happy to have you guys here. It's been ages since I've been kidnapped, honestly.

SPEAKER_03:

Probably been a year, maybe.

SPEAKER_05:

I would mention.

SPEAKER_03:

And we should do it next year, too.

SPEAKER_05:

Maybe maybe we should do it next year. I don't want to see how many people have kidnapped, otherwise it's incriminating.

SPEAKER_00:

So today we are going to read stories from listeners and spooky stories, obviously, very spooky things that some people have sent in.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I mean, it would be rude of us to start the stories at our own kidnapping. And so we're very lucky to have the host of Over de Darno here to help us kick off spooky season. So would y'all like to read something that the listeners sent in?

SPEAKER_05:

Sure. I'll start off in this case. The first story that we are reading is entitled In a Beginning, and this comes to us from The Invisible Woman Next Door. It starts with I awakened as if from a deep sleep. The remnants of a question regarding a choice I made in the life I just exited on the periphery of my awareness. In a state of consciousness where time does not exist, I existed in this liminal space. I answered the disembodied voice that resounded everywhere, in the way I only knew how, honestly. My response wasn't met with judgment or feeling, but a quiet neutrality. It was just noted, like an entry on a ledger. In that quiet moment, everything shifted. I became fully awake, entirely present, and completely aware of the unfolding experience. Before me was a dazzling white screen. Instantly the white screen transformed, splitting into two distinct planes of existence. One shimmered in various shades of blue. I knew nothing of it, but it sent an intense ripple of excitement through me. Something in that plane resonated with my very core. The other showed this present life, a still image of two smiling women looking down at a laughing infant in one of their arms. It felt less like a destiny and more like a picture in a frame at the department store. A life I was being shown, but not one I felt connected to. The unseen entity offered the choice. I could enter the blue reality, but it cautioned that the lessons I needed to learn in this reality, this present life, would prove more challenging if I postponed him. And since I am not one to put off the inevitable, the decision was simple. I chose this present life. Once my decision was made, I was sent forth with a simple resonant instruction be good. The next thing I remember was being somewhere dark, not a comforting darkness, but a vast emptiness, like free-falling into a smoky void. For a fleeting moment, I felt a flash of dread, an instant of pure terror at the unknowing. Then I was out of it. In body, but not fully of it. The very first thought in my nascent mind was an unwavering intention. I want to be a good person and help people. It wasn't an external command, it was an insistent mantra echoing from a deeper part of myself I had come to know as my higher self. My mother told me that while she was pregnant with me, she made significant life choices. She stopped smoking, drinking, and cursing. She had read somewhere about the benefits of playing music for a baby in utero, and so she'd place headphones on her stomach. Everything from Debussy to Jimi Hendrix. This music helped become visceral for me. She even slept in the same bed as my grandmother, our own living example, in her words, that it paid to serve God. It was in honor of her that I was given her full name. For the first eight weeks of my life, my mother would say that I rarely smiled. She wondered if I truly wanted to be here, holding me close and asking me directly, when suddenly, out of the blue, I smiled. That first directive, I want to be a good person and help people, was a pure truth. But it began to twist the moment I yielded to the thoughts and opinions of others, believing they were more valid than what I knew about myself. I wasn't asked to make a sacrifice, but in my need for validation and my low self-esteem, I began to hide the parts of me that made me different. It started with the children in my neighborhood and became more pronounced as I got older and started dating. My purpose, distorted by my lack of discernment, became a form of self-sacrifice, a spiritual suicide, where I gave away my essence to be accepted. I have always known that the constant presence of my inner voice, the one observing and telling this very story. But there has always been another voice, my higher self, an instant understanding, a clear directive telling me what to do and what to avoid. I have ignored this voice for what I, my ego, desired, and there was never instant regret. The consequences were simply revealed slowly over time.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow. So that was like one of those experiences where people can remember their past lives and they remember being in utero. Has have y'all ever had anything like that?

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. Actually, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Tell me.

SPEAKER_03:

Um so as I'm listening to this, I'm thinking too, like, maybe I'm just crazy because I don't know, maybe I just I overthink things a lot, but I have these instances where I'll remember how I used to feel in our old house in Detroit, which mind you, I was only like three months at the time when we left Detroit. Um, just certain instances where I shouldn't have been remembering something, and I do remember it, and I was so, so little, the way the porch looked, the way the air felt, what everyone was wearing, how like my mother's clothes felt as she's was holding me in the blanket. And it'll just be these flashes of these like very, very vivid, hypersensitive memories, I guess. Or sometimes it'll like I'll be in the shower, I'll be like driving the car, and I'll have this instance where it's like it's just a flash, but it's so much feeling in this flash that it's like like you get the whole story in like 0.5 seconds, right? So I'll picture myself like when I had graduated college, I knew I wasn't gonna walk. I knew that I wasn't gonna walk because I graduated in 2020. Um, so I got my degree, whatever, but for some reason before 2020, I had this feeling of something's happening for sure. It's not happening, and it's it was just that same feeling of me flash forward to 2020, sitting in my living room and seeing my name on a freaking YouTube video uh as my graduation. And it was that same feeling where it was just like this numbness, this dullness. So it could either be a feeling or I feel like I'm in that moment remembering something that had truly happened in the past, and people think I'm crazy. I never really mention it to anybody because I think to myself, maybe I'm just this psychotic.

SPEAKER_01:

Not psychotic.

SPEAKER_00:

Not that we know of, no, I can.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm surprised you remember that. Are you or you so you felt like you could remember these things from when you were a little girl? Because yeah, I remember that house vividly.

SPEAKER_03:

That I do, but yeah, the way the porch was and everything, and even when we would visit the house again, um like a few years later when my mom went back to Detroit to baptize one of her uh cousins who then lived in the house that we owned, just walking in and being like, I know where everything's at already. And I have never stepped foot in the house before, like as a conscious, you know, of aged person. Like I knew you get to the basement here, this is where the kitchen's at, this is where the old refrigerator was supposed to be, like everything. Wow, it's very weird.

SPEAKER_01:

That is so cool, and you're definitely not the only one. Like, this is something that people document and study. I don't have a lot of conscious memory of this, I believe, because it's one of those things where it's like a story that's been told to me a lot. But when I was two-ish, two years old and three, I was so chatty. Even back then, I was speaking like in full sentences, it was creepy. And I was telling my mom that I um I remembered choosing them because I felt like my parents wanted me a little more than the other option that I had. And she was like, Okay. And I was like, Yeah, and before, I mean, I was hit by a car when I was eight. I didn't expect to see one. And she was like, Where were you? And I was like, Oh, there were tall grasses. My skin looked really different, it was much darker. And my mom's like, Okay. And I was like going on and on with all these things that it was just so weird for a three-year-old to say out of the blue. And I wasn't really allowed to watch much TV. And so she's like, I don't even know where you would have picked this up, but you were just full on telling me you were you like all these horrible past, and then just chipper, like, oh yeah, I look really different now. And she was just like, Cool, tell me more. Kids are wild, like kids are spooky, they just whether it's memory from this life or the other, like I totally believe it. But this story was so interesting. I love the reflection on how this incentive to be good became so challenging, like some such a simple little mission, but it is not simple, not always. Nope. The invisible woman next door is um an Instagram account that you can follow with more stories. So if listener, you are enjoying that, go check out the invisible woman next door on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00:

So I'm going to read the next story from one of our anonymous listeners. Tea Time. My house is haunted. I've lived here in my house that was built in the 30s for about five years now. It's in Studio City, California, and it's one of the last houses on the block. We're surrounded by apartment complexes. Anyway, my now husband and I were hanging out on the front porch back in early November of 2020, and he was making a joke about UFOs. I was filming him for my Instagram story. When I played the video back, you can hear a very weird moaning, crying, singing that sounds like it was right into the phone microphone, meaning it wasn't far away or anything. Neither of us heard it while I was filming. It's only a short clip, but it scared the hell out of us. A few instances here and there occurred in the following years. We're sitting in the living room and one of the tall chairs at our kitchen bar fell over. Okay, weird, but nothing to necessarily write home about. I knew at the time it wasn't my cat or dog or even an earthquake, but the events were small like that and spread out over months, so it still wasn't anything worth mentioning. Fast forward to 2025, my daughter turned two. She started saying hallway ghost, didn't think much of it. There was a Halloween special on a show she liked to watch, so I assume she learned the word ghost from there. But then she started talking about the ghost constantly, and I would hear her talking to someone in her room. It sounded a lot like a baby babble. But as she got older, it really began to sound like she was conversing with someone. Pauses in between her replies, she never sounded scared. Perhaps she was actually talking to her stuffed animals. However, she started waking up around 1 and 2 a.m. and screaming for me. I talked it up to her age. Although she's been a great sleeper on her own and had been sleeping through the night in her crib since she was 14 months old when we stopped bed sharing. Then one day she was staring at the hallway while playing, and she freaked out and ran to me and hid in my arms. She kept saying, Ghost in the hallway, ghost in the hallway, eyes, eyes. And I told her there wasn't anything there. But then I saw a dark figure move across the hallway towards her room. I have long dark hair. So at first I thought it really was my hair, but I know I saw something and her reaction solidified it. She's terrified of the hallway now. I have some holy water from the Vatican and I bless the doorways, entryways, and especially around her crib. I say in Jesus' name, you're not welcome here. All was good for a few weeks. Then my daughter's speech therapist was over and my cat hissed at the corner at nothing. My cat never hisses. I've had her since she was born. She's very well socialized and agreeable. Happy kitty. I can't even recall ever hearing her hiss in the 10 years she's been alive. But there she was hissing at nothing. My daughter stares at the hallway and her eyes track movement toward her room. She says, Ghost here, and I immediately repeat my blessing. Then the dog and the cat who aren't interested in my daughter's room at all start scratching at the door at night. One of them gets the door and I can't find them. Both of them are sitting side by side hiding under the crib. I couldn't find I I couldn't get them out. I'm getting nervous reading this. I'm like, what's gonna happen, bro? Okay. When I did, they kept going back under the crib. My cat and dog tolerate each other, but they don't cuddle or sit next to each other. And here they are under the crib together while my daughter sleeps. So I'm at the bookstore last week and I find this old book called Demon Possession. It was written by a pastor in the early 1900s and details his his experiences casting out demons in Chinese villages. I don't know why, but I bought it. I thought there would be something interesting in there. I'm Christian, but I'm not outward about it. Like I don't like most Christians and I don't go to church, but I love Jesus and I do believe that through him I can tell an unwanted spirit to leave my home. I found the book horribly boring and not helpful, so I put it on my bookshelf in my bedroom, in between two books. Around 1 30 a.m. two nights ago, we heard a loud crash that woke my husband and I up. It freaked us out. I asked what fell and broke? What happened? The book was on the floor. I think it was the ghost in my house giving us the proverbial middle finger. We just kind of live like this, not sure what to do or where to go. I feel uncomfortable having a priest come to the house, and I don't think the activity is notable enough to even warrant outside help, but it is definitely picking up, and this entity is getting ballsier by the day. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

Have y'all ever thrown an unhelpful, unwanted entity out of the house?

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, multiple times. And it's not it's not fun. Because if they fight back, it takes a minute because you're fighting something you can't see. So it's really about the willpower, I've learned at least. It's about your willpower, and what really helped me was getting angry, like extremely angry, to the point of like being furious. The funny thing is, uh, I told a ghost story about when about this sort of a similar instance, and after I kind of like told us and it went viral on TikTok, I've had people like comment under the TikTok that I made that you think you did good, but apparently something's still there because they heard they heard a voice and like the camera glitched during the recording.

SPEAKER_01:

So I'm gonna need you to back up and and say more words about all this because I didn't see that TikTok.

SPEAKER_05:

Okay, so if you go on Dead Scared Entertainment's TikTok, um, I think it's pinned at the top. Um, there was that there was a trend that was called Tell Me a Ghost Story that you never you've never told anybody before. It was like one of those like stitched this type things.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

So I told a story about the ghost girl in my basement.

SPEAKER_03:

Who is not welcome here in the name of Jesus.

SPEAKER_05:

Thank you. Exhibit eight. Exhibit eight. And what happened is is as I'm recording this story, which if it's a lot to tell, so I guess this is the little mini plug. Check out our TikTok. Um the camera glitches, and it took me about five or six times to actually record this film, and then somebody says that they hear a whisper in the back. I couldn't personally hear it, but again, I'm not gonna discount these things. So it's really it's really hard to say, but sometimes people just want to stick around. For some reason, just want to stick around. So to the anonymous writer, I feel I feel for you, and I know what that's like because you but you gotta get furious sometimes, you gotta get mad, and you gotta put some oomph into that, you know, casting out, or you need some backup. Call the Ghostbusters or whoever you know your local exorcist is and take care of business.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I also found that getting mad really helped. That's what my grandmother always told me to do. Like, you start off being like cool, like I respect you're here, let's be respectful. And if they're not respectful, if they're scaring your baby or scaring the baby within you, like that's when you get really nasty and throw them out.

SPEAKER_00:

But yeah, everyone, please check out Dead Scared Entertainment's TikTok and their Instagram.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, and we we are here with um Pierce and Raquel Horvat, and who we have interviewed before. And this story is sounding a little familiar. Did you talk about the ghost girl the last time we did spooky stories?

SPEAKER_05:

I think I think so. Um, I I mentioned a few stories to be honest because we told some good stories. We we come from an old house, so I guess this is a plug back for Uromanistan. Go check out uh our uh first spooky stories episode with Uromanistan because that one was very, very chilling. So fun. We're still trying to live past all these spooky stories.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't want to even think about it anymore. You start talking about these things, and I'm just sitting here and I'm getting sweaty.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe it's time for you to take control of the narrative and and read your listener's story. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. Yeah, let me tell the story.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, tell the story.

SPEAKER_03:

This comes from our next listener. I have a couple spooky stories to share. The first one happened when I was a young teen in the early 1990s. There was an old abandoned house on a hilly, curvy back road in the next town over. The local legend was that on dark nights, if a full car of people drove by with their headlights off, the windows of the house would be lit with the same number of people in the car. It was a fun thing to do. Drive past the house, loading and unloading people to see if we would trick the house into getting it wrong. But it always got it right. I remember riding by it with my two friends. There were four windows with lights on, but only three of us in the car. We thought we had finally fooled the house until about three weeks later when one of my friends announced that she was pregnant. Somehow the house knew. This is another one she also wrote.

SPEAKER_01:

Wait, the house knew she was pregnant. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So it there was two friends in the car, so three of them, and there were four windows that lit up. So yeah, house.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my gosh, that's so cool. It took me a second to be like, wait a minute. Oh, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_05:

That's kind of like um, well, I mean, think about it. Like, have you guys ever done that little uh it used to be like a party trick me and the Roma kids used to do together where we'd either get like a rosary or like a necklace, and we would sort of like do like the thing where it twirls and it would sort of spin and tell you how many kids you'll have. Sometimes you hey, there's ways to find out. There's things where we don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

It's true, yeah. That's so true. Oh, I love that. That what a weird, delightful, very 90s local legend where it's like the lights will turn on. Like, love that.

SPEAKER_05:

And if it's twins, you get the dial up toe. You know, you hear the broadband in the back.

SPEAKER_03:

This is another story she had written in. So, a quick trigger warning the Holocaust in a concentration camp. During the summer of 1998, I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to travel to Central Europe and visit a bunch of countries: France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Liechtenstein, Liechtenstein, hey. While in Germany, we got to take a tour of a concentration camp. It was a very somber and sober experience. At one point during our tour, we were led into one of the shower houses, and we were told that it had a dual purpose. Sometimes it was for showers, other times it was for gassing people. They shut the doors and let us experience the uncertain darkness that the prisoners had endured almost sixty years before. The moment we were in total darkness, I can smell the nervous energy and body odor of the people who I knew were not there. I could hear whispering prayers and small, soft voices. We were only in the dark for a few moments, maybe one or two minutes at most, but when the doors were opened again, I still felt like I was in the dark. We then had to walk through a hallway of sorts, but I felt myself being pushed by shuffling bodies behind me, and I heard a voice loudly whisper in my ears. I don't know how to spell it, but my Polish Romani grandma later told me it was escape in Polish. I felt very off the rest of the day, just nauseous and extremely exhausted, even fainting shortly after we left and before we got on our bus to head back to our hotel. My grandma believed it was the souls of some of her family who did not get out of Germany in time and decided to hitch a ride on me to get out of there. Hell no.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow, hell no, because I fucking hurt like that my whole damn life. Literally, my whole motherfucking life. We go like to the funerals and shit, and I don't know what you guys call them, but like after the capellas, like we can feel the spirit leaving the menu, basically.

SPEAKER_05:

It's it's funny you say that because I was just on a funeral this past month, Sunday night, Monday morning. And I'll say this, it wasn't like a feeling like of an exit, but you can feel the heaviness. And it's that's obviously as a funeral parlor, it's you're gonna feel the heaviness, but it's like you can tell that it's not that you're you know you're not alone, and you can it's like you feel like you're in familiar territory, whether it's because it was a very small, it was it was for a relative of mine that wasn't I wasn't close to and that had like maybe 15 people present, but it felt like the room was filled with about maybe 40 some people. You can feel that energy, it lingers. So I get where you're coming from. That's that's spooky.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's heavy too. Um that's the it just reminded me. I forgot that this had happened to me, but when I was in Pompeii, I was very emotional because it's incredibly sad. You can see people caked in the ash and the mud, like as they were when the volcano erupted. And so I was already pretty emotional, and I saw like a boy clutching a dog and like burst into tears. Like it was really a lot, and I knew it would be sad, but I didn't expect that I would be like distraught. And so we I was we were looking at around some other areas, and there was like, oh, this is where they did the markets, and they have these kinds of things, and we know they have these kinds of vegetables because they're like painted on the wall, and like so it's some lighter moments, and I was like, Oh, okay, fun, nice, love vegetables, and then they were like, and This is the brothel. And we went into this very small, dark room. I think it had chains and there was like sort of a bench, but it was so dark. And they were saying, You really can't take pictures in here though, because the spirits don't like it. They'll break your camera. And I was curious, and I took out my camera. I had a because it was 2000, it was was it 2003, I think. Um, I had a disposable camera from CVS. I put the camera up just to act like I was gonna take a picture to be like, can I see the spirits through the camera? And I just saw this glowing red angry ball, and then I felt like this deep oppressive energy, and I was just like, Oh shit, most of the people in here who were working here were really not happy. I don't think they were necessarily treated well. I just felt like the the heaviness of it, and someone tried to take a picture behind me and their camera broke, and they were like, Oh my god, it like it went dead, they meant it. And I was just like, Oh, okay, now we gotta get out of here. Cause it just and I said a prayer for them and I just felt so sad because it like it just it was such a hard place to still be, and I don't know if it was residual energy, if there were really spirits there, because I just needed to get out of there because it was such an overwhelming experience, but um, yeah, like however you look at it, I think these places definitely trap energy.

SPEAKER_02:

That's terrifying.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it was. I had forgotten about that. I was like, oh yeah, that horrifying moment. Um, but yeah, the the red light was intense. Okay, now I believe we have one more story from this listener.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. Years ago, my then fiance, now husband, and I were looking to buy a house. I wanted two features an attic with stairs leading up to it, and a basement. We somehow found a house that had both, plus a detached garage that he wanted. Everything in the house was perfect. A big beautiful kitchen with an island, large family room, walk-in closets. Then the realtor opened the door to the basement, and I instantly felt a wave of anxiety, panic, and fear crash over and nearly drowned me. We'd been going in and out of basements for most of the week, but this one just felt so off to me I couldn't make myself take a step towards the door. I never felt that uncomfortable about a basement in my entire life. The realtor and my fiance slash husband went down without me and later told me that on one side of the basement there was just a dirt floor with an old, now unused, well. Later, our realtor looked into the history of the house and even spoke to some of the previous owners and tenants. Apparently, the basement had a history of flooding in the spring and summer, and in the autumn, there was an overwhelming smell of mildew in the basement. I'm glad we decided against that house. I don't trust a random well in the basement that makes you scared. Yeah. If your house is has an opening to anything, get out. No, why no portals? No.

SPEAKER_05:

Maybe they had a couple quarters down there. That's true. We should go back. At least a metal detector and then call it a day. Just splash a little holy water down there. Just take a look. Do a little smudging and call it a day. No, that is scary. You don't know what's in there.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't trust it.

SPEAKER_03:

And the bugs. No.

SPEAKER_01:

No, no. Nothing good happens in a basement. Not even a basement well. Not even in an abandoned well. Whatever. So if you are in Maine and you want to go on a haunted history tour, I highly recommend. Ooh, and it's called The Man in the Suit. So I was actually, I met Emily, the person who wrote in in person, who's the owner and operator of these tours. Deadwick's, where I work, also does haunted tours of Portsmouth. So that's my favorite way to see a city, honestly. I love to go on a haunted tour. I learn about all the gossip, all the drama, all the ghosts, and the history. So highly recommend. So the man in the suit. It happened when I was 19. In the bedroom, I used to keep pitch black at night. No nightlight, nothing. Just total darkness. That detail matters because what I saw that night was not a trick of the light. There was no light. I was dead asleep, comfortable, safe, until something pulled me awake. I didn't hear anything, just a feeling. A presence. I opened my eyes and that's when I saw him. A man, or the ghost of one, was moving across my bedroom. He came from the far side of the room near the window. My bedroom was on the second floor. That window overlooked open air. There was no balcony, no way in. He was wearing an old-fashioned black suit, average height, average build. His face was neutral, unreadable. He looked solid, almost like a living person. His body was outlined in a soft white glow. The only light in the pitch black room. And the whole time he made no sound. No, I know with the glowing. The whole time he made no sound. Not a creak on the floor, not even a whisper of air. Just silent, eerie motion. He moved past the foot of my bed toward the closet, and just before reaching it, he vanished. I was frozen in disbelief and pure terror. My boyfriend was sleeping beside me and didn't move at all. I tried to wake him, but I could barely speak. My arms felt heavy, useless. I could only move my hands a little. My voice was nothing more than a whisper. So I just lay there staring into the dark, heart pounding, wondering if that man was going to reappear, or if he was still somewhere in the room watching me. Who was he? Why was he there? Was he an ancestor checking in on me? I may never know, but I do know what I saw. I know it wasn't a dream. It wasn't sleep paralysis. The man in the suit, that glowing outline, he was real, and I've never slept in total darkness since. Not long after, other strange things started happening. Or maybe I just started noticing them more. Many nights I heard disembodied voices, always the same. A man and a woman speaking in low, steady tones. I could never make out what they were saying, no matter how quiet I stayed or how closely I listened. It sounded like a conversation happening in the next room, except it wasn't. I got up and checked more than once. I was usually the last one awake in the house, so I knew it wasn't anyone else. The voices were present in my room only. They never felt threatening, just an unsettling reminder that I wasn't alone. Then there was the toy. One night I was sitting at my desk on the computer. My little dog was curled up at my feet, the only other soul awake in the house. Suddenly from under the bed, something moved. A dog toy, a ball attached to a rope, rolled out onto the floor, about four feet away from where we sat. Now, if you've ever seen a ball on a rope, you'll know they don't roll. They're weighted. They drag, they plop, but they don't just roll out like that. And I hadn't seen that toy in months. I didn't even know it was under the bed. But there it was slowly emerging from beneath the bed as though something unseen had given it a gentle push. My dog stood up, walked over, sniffed the toy, then looked at me with this expression that almost said, You saw that too, right? The history of that land might offer some clues as to why this house attracted paranormal activity. Before the neighborhood ever existed, it was the site of a civil war fort, and even earlier, a Native American settlement. Our homes were built right on top of that, layers of life and death stacked beneath the foundation. I don't think the land ever forgot. And the truth is, these weren't my first paranormal experiences. I've been sensitive to the unseen since I was a young teenager. Over the years, I've witnessed and felt more than most people would believe. And those experiences eventually led me to create haunted history tours in Portland, Maine. Sharing these stories with others is more than a job, it's part of who I am. Yeah, so if you want more of that, let's go on some tours.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm coming with. Let's make a date.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, but that explanation of the guy standing there with the suit is like the hat man.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, say more about the hat man for anyone who might not be familiar.

SPEAKER_03:

We did talk a little bit in our last episode, but um, so for me, the hat man personally, I didn't know that this was a common thing, but apparently it is because I've heard multiple people also have these same experiences. So it's this tall figure, doesn't say anything, doesn't really do anything, but will consistently just visit you. It will be there. He wears a hat for me, all black, no face, with this glowing white, sort of like like essence around it, right? And it's just like this heavy, like he's not coming to kill you, but you know he's there and you know he's watching you. It's like this almost like suspenseable thing. Like, you know, in Willy Wonka in uh what is that movie called?

SPEAKER_05:

Which one? Charlie and the Cho Chocolate Factory, the one with Johnny Depp.

SPEAKER_03:

No, the one the first one with Gene Wilder. Yes, that guy's Slugworth, how he comes from like the alley or whatever, and he just like stands there, and then everybody's like scared in the movie. The the guy who approaches Charlie and says, like, I'll give you all this money for your golden ticket or something.

SPEAKER_05:

No, for the about the uh everlasting gobstopper.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, yes, yeah, yeah. So that's the kind of vibe that the hat man gives me. But the hat man used to visit me consistently when I was younger. Um, that ho ain't around here no more, and he better not come back. I swear to god, I'll beat the shit out of him. I am playing. Okay, not welcome.

SPEAKER_01:

That's how you handle a ghost.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, no, I'm not playing.

SPEAKER_00:

We don't do no scary asses.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I'm done. I am done. I am doing real good. I cannot take it anymore. But you know how to I always feel like, and maybe this is just like an unconscious thing, or because it's I overthink so much, as we all know. When I'm on Benadryl and I'm like, oh god, I'm compromised. Something's gonna get me because I'm compromised. Boom.

SPEAKER_01:

Is that when it shows up?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, oh no, I'm fully aware, right? Like, I'm really not that compromised because I know what's going on, it's just my anxiety telling myself. So maybe it's like my energy shifts, and like, do you know what I mean? Like, I'm aware I do what go out of.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I was just gonna say, when I get like depressed or like anxious or really sick, I am way more likely to have weird paranormal stuff happen around me because I'm like my energy is lower, I'm not like doing as much as I'm usually doing. Like, I just I that vulnerability I think can draw it in, and then I like get myself in a salt bath and pray. I'm like, okay, everyone off.

SPEAKER_03:

Wait, wait, wait. Wait, I got a story, guys. Yes, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05:

Which one?

SPEAKER_03:

Show this. So I was in work, right? The job that I quit. The owner, right? The owner of the store, she was like, so quick backstory. She had started this business with her um like ex-partner, and they ended up having a fallout, and they were in a court situation for years, right? And her mom had died. It was because the mom had given her money, blah blah blah, don't want to get into it, but the mom had died when she was young, and she had used this money to open up the business, right? So it's just her and I working at the shop. We always would bless everything, like there was markings of the anointing oil everywhere in the store because we were so consistently being attacked, stealings and everything, right? So one day, it was the day after the court case had settled, she had gotten everything, you know. Her and I were standing in the store and we weren't open yet. All the lights were on. I mean, it would we it was a mall on Michigan Avenue that I worked in. So we're in Chicago, by the way. So busy, busy street, lights everywhere. I mean, jump in consistently, right? People around no matter what. When I tell you, as this woman was talking to me, everything went silent. Like I couldn't even hear, like, I couldn't feel my heartbeat ever, like I went completely numb. And the lights flashed to me, but they didn't flash to her. It like went black for a second. I felt electricity through my entire body, and this overwhelming sense of heat and then rushing like punch you in the throat, like cold, had just flushed all over all through me, and I saw her mother standing behind her in the complete outline of her mom, right? And I knew it was her mom, like it, like somehow I just knew it was a mom. I'd never met the mom before. The mom died like 20 years prior to this, and she was standing there with her hand on her shoulder, and it was a glimpse of like five seconds. I immediately I was so overwhelmed, I busted out crying. I was shaking violently. I was in the corner of the store freaking out, and then my boss, of course, she was freaking out because I couldn't speak. It was just too much. Like it took the energy out of me. And when I gathered my thoughts and I could collect myself, I told her, your mother was here. She busted out crying, oh my gosh, it was a whole thing. And I told her she was wearing this like teal shirt with these pink pants, almost if she was like a nurse, you know. Um she had this black hair and this and that, and whatever. And I was explaining in detail how this woman had looked. She pulls up a picture on her laptop of this exact same outfit, the haircut, the the the height, everything was exactly it. And I just remember freaking out. And when I came home, you picked me up from work that day.

SPEAKER_04:

I think I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And I was telling him, and he was throwing for me, and he was saying, you know what, you want to be all holy, and you want to rebuke all the scary things, and you want to like not be like and you wanna like yourself, but you have a gift, and you can send some things and all these things, right? And I'm freaking out, okay. Like, I had to recuperate like for weeks after that, and apparently her mom had presented herself in California as well, which is where they grew up. Um, there was this hairdresser who she would consistently, I guess, or no, it wasn't a hairdresser she went to. They had lived at this property that was torn down and it became a hair salon, like a like a strip mall or a plaza where their old home used to be. And the hairdresser had spoken to my boss, because my boss went to go visit the the land, whatever. She was like, Yeah, I used to live here where you know your salon is now. And the lady said, There's this etching that always pops up on the back, like in our in our back room, and it is the mom's name. So she came to so the property that they used to live at right now, hair salon, she would etch her name into the back room, I guess, multiple times, and like kind of play pranks and jokes on the clients that would come in.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my goodness, that's kind of amazing.

SPEAKER_03:

Crazy, crazy.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow, you do have a gift though.

SPEAKER_03:

You fucking do.

SPEAKER_02:

I told her I'm on it!

SPEAKER_00:

I am on it.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm all right, no, yes, Androat.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I also have a scary ass story that just happened recently.

SPEAKER_01:

Please tell us. Tell us.

SPEAKER_00:

So I just moved into the house that I'm living in now a little less than a year ago. And I obviously felt spirits because, like, oh, you know, you just always fucking feel the spirits, and it's an old ass apartment. When I'm saying old, like this bitch is old, you know what I mean? And like our fucking wood is falling apart in some places, like it is what it is, and I sense some spirits, but so my boyfriend actually sensed like spirits first, and I was like, I'm not gonna say anything, and then like he sent some spirits, and I was like, Okay, like it is what it is, and then now fast forward to just a couple of months ago, this was the worst time of my life. My cat got out for like a couple days, and I had thought that he was gone, and I thought that because I have to tell I have to give you a little bit of the backstory to understand why how this happened.

SPEAKER_01:

So that wouldn't be the story if you didn't.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so my cat, his name is Fatty, okay, and he's right here actually when he came back, and his brother's name is Blindy, okay. It's not politically correct, but it is what it is. So basically, he gets out. I'm crying, like I'm having a real hard time, and like finally he comes back, and this is like I don't know, he was gone for like maybe three days. He's super skinny, he's been into fight, there's hair all over. Like, I call him through the window one day, and he like jumps up through the back window. I'm like, This motherfucker, Fatty, you finally came back, and like he is full of fleas. Now, I foster cats, and so like fleas are no big deal to me. I'm like, I have flea medicine already because like I foster cats, I get rid of fleas, I take them flea baths. I'm like, it is what it is. Now I give him this, I give him this flea medicine, like just an over-the-counter one that usually works. Apparently, it didn't work. So I took him a bath, I gave him the medicine, it didn't work. He still has fleas. Now his brother has fleas. A week goes by, like, I'm working, I don't have time to take them, take him to the bed. I'm just feeding him, I'm just figuring things out. I'm getting flea bites now. So now I'm like, I gotta bomb the house. I get like the most craziest sprays that I could get, but I'm not sleeping in my house one night. I'm like, I'm not gonna sleep in my house. So I have my car, I have climate control, so I'm like, whatever. I put a mattress in the back of my car and I park it right outside my living room window. So my cats are literally like sitting at the window and they're looking at me like in the car. I'm like basically home at this point. Okay, but I'm like, let me let the bomb do its thing and I'm just gonna nap. So me and my boyfriend get the house ready. We, you know, we bomb the house, we do all this stuff. And as soon as he walks out the door, and it's 11 o'clock at night, and we still live downtown, so it is kind of busy, but he's like, Did you feel them? He's like, Did you feel them? Or like, did you see them? And I was like, I felt the spirits in the house. And and he's like, Where? And I'm like, in the living room, because he's testing me. We want to make sure we can see the same things. And I'm like in the living room, and he's like, Oh, we didn't actually have this conversation. We go in the car and he asks me that, right? I actually look in the window, and there's four shadows in the fucking window, four figures right behind both of my cats, and then I'm looking at the cats, and then the cats turn around and I'm like, This is just super crazy. But I didn't say anything, and then he asks me and he's like, Did you see them? Did you feel them? Like, yeah, yeah, like in the living room, and then I still didn't even tell him. And then after we got into talking about it, I was like, Yeah, I just saw like four figures right there in the window. We don't even we don't even know what to do. We're not even scared though, but they're here, and like I always feel this one figure just roaming around the house, but that night, four of them like it looked like four people were just chilling in my house. Crazy. That's it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, my question is do you let them stay, or do you tell them get out?

SPEAKER_00:

So at first, I did a couple of cleansings, okay? I did a couple of like you can't be here, get out. I lit all this shit, like wrote some shit down. I had some special candles made, like I really, I really did it good, you know what I mean? When I first felt them. But then recently, when I started to see them like more prominently, I actually just tried to literally feel their energy, and I'm like, what are they doing here? And like, what do they want here? And I I this is super personal, but whatever. This is our podcast, and my whole entire life is blasted on the whole world, so I don't give a fuck. But basically, we were going through a really hard time. Like, I'm going through some court stuff, there was family drama going on. We were both we couldn't believe that there was so many horrible things happening, and then all of a sudden, a flea infestation. Doesn't that sound evil to you guys?

SPEAKER_01:

It's too much, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it totally sounds evil. So as I was when I came back in the house, like, okay, everything's good. I haven't gotten a bite since, and like it is what it is. But I was sitting in the living room and just looking around, and I could feel them there, and I was thinking to myself, they're here because of just an insane amount of negative energy. And I felt the message from them is like when there's no negative energy, you don't have to worry about us, or like we're gonna be gone. So, like, I literally just started changing my life around, not engaging with drama, cutting people off, which I always have to do, unfortunately, and doing a bunch of good shit, doing a bunch of healthy shit. And then I it's been pretty good, you know.

SPEAKER_05:

Life changes when you eat more lettuce, I've learned significantly start actually eating vegetables and you sleep on a regular schedule, things change. But it's so true though. It's it's funny you say because it's funny you mention about like these sort of things because I was part of the reason Dead Scared even began was because I was being visited years ago. This was right after Christmas of 2019 by some really perverse things because there was a lot of family drama going on and there was a lot that was happening. Um long story short, Christmas Day, there was some drama between me and another my family and another Roma family. And I was like trying to like gather my myself after this happened. And usually when I like lay down and I rest, just because it's just a habit of me, because my door, we live in a house that we've said this on the on the previous episode. This house is as old as dirt, so even if you close the door, the door is creaking right back open. So I have like a lock on it so I can actually like sleep, you know, turn on all the lights in my room so it's as dark as possible. And this is Christmas Day, and I remember out of like my sleep, half, half in sleep, half out of sleep, this it looked like my grandmother, who I knew was downstairs, and I knew my door was locked. So what's she doing at the foot of my bed? But I looked closer and I try to focus my eyes, and I saw it was her, but her eyes were black.

SPEAKER_01:

Nope. I hate that.

SPEAKER_05:

This thing, this entity told me that we're here and we're coming to get you. That we're that we're that we're coming to get you. And then, but it's funny because after that point, after all that happened, I mean hours after that, I told them what I saw, and my grandmother gave me, and I'm holding it up now to the because we're on Zoom right now, I'm holding up the same Benedict medal that she gave me, and it has not left me ever since. And since then, it's always been something that I notice when there's family drama, that negative energy, or even if it's just just drama altogether, even if it's because you know what, maybe you're constipated, I'm dead serious. Like being as goofy as that is, you got something that's going on, it's like a vacuum tube, and just everything sort of just finds its way there.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think it you know that reminds me as well. So after my mom died, my dad and I uh just had so much to deal with on our own, and we had so many other family members pass away. It was very sad. And we ended up selling the house that my parents had lived in for a while, um, since late 90s. Then we moved three times in a year, and I was really, really sick at the time, and we were just like doing our best. Like, my dad's great, we just weren't getting along great. I couldn't really help very much, my body hurt too much. He's feeling like he's getting too old to be moving all the stuff. He was refusing to hire movers for some reason. And it was just kind of a nightmare. So we had just moved into like the second place within six months. And I hadn't done any of the things I would normally do to like bless the house and talk to the house spirits and make friends and because I was just exhausted. And my dad and I don't really fight. We just there's just like tension if we're not getting along. We generally get along fine very well. He's fantastic. But you know, we've been through it. And so we'd had kind of a tense day, and I knew that he had gone up to bed, and I was pacing around the kitchen doing some cleaning and just, you know, wrapping up emails on the phone or something. And you know, all the lights were on. And I saw him walk down the stairs, but I didn't hear him get up or anything. And it was a very silent kind of walking down the stairs. And I saw him come around the corner into the kitchen. And I was like, I don't remember him being that short, but it looked just like him, but it looks like my height. And he's not particularly tall, and I'm even shorter. So I was like, he looked real short. And I turn around, hey, you you good? And the figure turns toward me, and it is my it looks like my father, but my height, and it had a manic, crazed grin that pulled way too tight.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh no.

SPEAKER_01:

And I just screamed, and then I feel like I blacked out because I don't know what happened after that. But I just screamed and he did not wake up because he's kind of half damp. Um and it gone away. But I immediately lit incense and was like praying and walking around the house. And I texted my friend Ilva and I was like, Have you ever had like a doppelganger spirit? And she's like, Did you put out any alcohol when you moved in for the house spirit? And I'm like, Fuck no, I didn't. And I'm like getting out the whiskey and putting orange shot glasses on. It was horrifying to have the spirit mimic your relative. It's messed up. Ugh, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

So I mean, it's it's true. It's it's very much like one of those things that I've realized is that if you have if you have conflict on the real realm, it's probably gonna be met with some sort of extra something on the other side of things too.

SPEAKER_01:

But like I said, my dad and I normally get along great. It was very unusual for us to be tense at all. And it was nothing serious, it was just we're exhausted. But yeah, it's like even something a little like that, it was like that's true. Um let's wrap up this very spooky evening and this very delightful kidnapping with one last story.

SPEAKER_05:

This is the last one before we have to put them back in their chains and take them off to the fathoms beyond comprehension. So this one actually comes from our podcast, one of the episodes we did a while back, called The Free The Fiends That Time Was Lucky to Forget. So if you want to hear this straight from the horse's mouth and more, definitely check out Overda Darno, The Fiends Time Was Lucky to Forget, featuring Phyllis Richko. Um, but this is my retelling of it just because this scare this is one of the scariest stories I've ever heard. So this goes back to from what I recall, would either be Chicago or Ohio, one of the two towards like the 40s or 50s at this point. Now, at this time, for a little context, the acts of embalming weren't a standard in terms of funerary processes. So whenever there would be somebody who would pass away, their body would just be laid out, you know, for visitation and viewing at home, especially by Roma standards. That was tradition was to have them in the home, and there was no embalming because it was again considered maguerdo for the spirit as well, or like how um some Roma say marime. It was it was unclean to have like somebody touch the innards and all that other stuff. So the story comes from Phyllis's account of essentially her own family. There was a young Roma woman whose father was very controlling and very much had like a very jealous, um, untrusting attitude towards the Roma as well as just the family in general. And one of the things that he always harped about to his daughter in his life was that he never wanted when he would pass away that there would be a party and food and any sort of like celebration. He just wanted to be a very simple burial, call it a day. Time passed, this girl got married, she ended up having children, and her father did pass away. And rather than respecting his wishes, this man went, uh, she went ahead and actually had the whole you know, usual funeral sort of processions happening. The the music, the food, um, people staying over to the house, you know, during the whole process. Very much the tip a typical Roma funeral. And one particular night, uh the family was resting either like in other some of the rooms elsewhere in the house, um, and some of the older men were still up in the kitchen at the time playing cards, usual sort of stuff you would do. And his daughter was uh rocking her child at the time, this infant that she had to sleep in her arms while standing over the coffin, looking at her father. And while she was doing that, the man stood up, grabbed her by the neck and by the arm, and started twisting her body. And she dropped the baby in the coffin. So the baby was crying horrible, absolutely horrible. And this went on for quite some time, to the point where the men in the kitchen realized something was wrong. So they all came out to come and see. And that's when they saw that this woman stood there, sort of her face twisted and her mouth sort of bent out of shape and open. Her arms were sort of like twisted and stood in a very disfigured way, and her body also was sort of contorted. The way that it was described was almost like a cerebral palsy, like very much like the body was just bent out of shape and twisted in ways uh undescribable. So the men weren't sure, you know, they didn't know what to do, but they knew that something it had to do something with the body. So they called the doctor, the doctor couldn't explain what happened to the woman, but they also called the funeral directors, and the funeral directors came in the next day and said, All right, we need everybody to leave this room, do not look in this room, we just need to take care of the body. Sure enough, they turned the body on its side and they put an iron spike through the back of the corpse's neck. They put the body back to rest, and they explained to the family that this was a case of uh the corpse having two souls, which was a very common belief among the Roma at the time, just because there'd be a lot of cases where because the bodies weren't embalmed, uh they were still intact. So, in some ways, whether there was another soul that remained in the body, it's up to anyone to believe. But it was believed that this man had two souls. Uh, she even described it. I remember when I was talking to her afterward, it's like almost like a like a case of vampirism. And the spike basically cut the uh cut the cord between the two souls and it released the soul out of the body. And but this woman essentially remained in the same contorted sort of pose in this sort of state. So knowing that this was a spiritual situation, they took this woman to high mass at noon for three days straight, and had the uh priests and the um the nuns, the people of the church, pray over her body for three straight days. And slowly but surely over the course of three days, her body was showing improvements, and on the third day she was sort of returned back to normal. And that's where she told everybody what happened, what her father did coming up from the coffin and basically twisting her body, basically trying to like strangle her to death as well, and then falling back into the state of being a corpse. And she said there was more that happened, more, but she was not allowed to tell. So till this day, we don't know what else was a part of this story. Uh nothing apparently happened to the baby, thank God. But at the same time, this was not an uncommon instance. Things like this happened very much at the time, back then, and the way that La Roma, even our grandparents, say back then, a lot more spiritually crazy and mysterious things would happen because the world was not as evil as it is today. So there's enough evil going around. So the more spiritual things that would otherwise present themselves don't need to do as much work. And that is an old Roma story that I will sort of close everybody out with tonight.

SPEAKER_01:

That was fantastic.

SPEAKER_00:

Neither do I.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my god, I love cookies. This is so fun.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I love you guys so much. We're so happy to do this. I think this is probably I feel bad for all. I love all of our listeners, but you guys are my favorite.

SPEAKER_05:

We love you too.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, we love you guys.

SPEAKER_05:

You guys are always a blast to talk with, and we appreciate you calling us back.

SPEAKER_03:

I'll only talk scary stories with you guys because I this this is it for the year. Um, I can't talk already about the scary things, but I'll talk about it with you.

SPEAKER_05:

But we might just be making a return to Overda Darono pretty soon. So she better eat those words because she got an podcast too. So look out for Overda D'Arono's 2025 Halloween special.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. Can't miss. Is there any other Dead Scared Entertainment news that you want to share with anyone for how people can keep up with you or things to look out for?

SPEAKER_05:

Definitely. So the best way to keep up with us is on Instagram and on TikTok, particularly Instagram at Dead Scared Entertainment. Right now, Raquel and I are presently working on developing our sort of like we'll call it like our Mickey Mouse, which is Vic in the Bat Pack. Um, we're presently working on our mini cartoon episodes, and uh more like larger episodes will be coming soon within the next year. Also, um keep on the lookout for the mini docuseries that will be coming out. I don't have a date yet, but this is uh in part with Florian Tacorian and Stacia Gambino as a writer. Um, it's called For Assi Continues. It is a Holocaust documentary mini-series that recounts actual true accounts of the Holocaust from the Roma perspective that have not been revealed to the public and that have been dormant in Yale's archives since the 90s. So this is a first-time reveal of these accounts to the public, period. And I'll be doing uh some animation with Dead Scare Entertainment and some talented Roma artists. This is an all-Roma cast and crew. Uh and I'll be also uh supervising the music as well for that. So keep on the lookout for that as well.

SPEAKER_03:

We're gonna try to get some YouTube videos going.

SPEAKER_05:

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03:

We did a horror convention this year and stuff, so we just want to be a little bit more present while we're also still working on some stuff in the background.

SPEAKER_05:

So check out our Instagram and our TikTok because we actually want to hear from you guys. We'll be actually reaching out at some point in time with some questions for the public, and we want to make sure that we take into account the Roma experience and the Roma voice because we do this for you guys. This is what it's for. It's for the Roma who never had the chance to express themselves in media the way that we all desperately feel in our like in our elo to do. So I guess that that just about wraps that up. Ah, amazing.

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Yeah, well, thank you so much. Yeah, yeah, so important. Okay, well, thank you, and thank you, listeners, for tuning in. We will have one more uh scary story episode this season, and there will be a secret, but somehow also return international relations guest, and this guest and I have something very exciting to announce, so please stay tuned.

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SPEAKER_01:

What could it be? Thank you, everyone. You can find us on Instagram, TikTok, and Facebook at Romanasan Podcast, and on Twitter at Romanasan Pod. To support us, join our Patreon for extra content or just donate to our coffee fundraiser, ko-fi.com backslash romanasan. And please rate, review, and subscribe. It helps people find our show. It helps us so much.

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You can follow Jez on Instagram at Jezmina.vontila and Paulina at RomaniHolistic. You can get our book, Secrets of Romani Fortune Telling, online or wherever books are sold. Visit Romanistanpodcast.com for events, educational resources, and more. Email us at romanistanpodcast at gmail.com for inquiries.

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Romanistan is hosted by Jasmina Vontila and Paulina Stevens, conceived of by Paulina Stevens, edited by Victor Pachitz, with music by Victor Pachitz, and artwork by Elijah Bardow.