Ep. 003: Academic Cancel Culture, and the Left's Attempts to Stifle Intellectual Dissent

Andrew Bernstein and Bosch Fawstin interview Dr. Jason Hill, philosophy professor at DePaul University in Chicago.

The topics: The transgender insanity, Dr. Hill's battle with academic cancel culture regarding this issue, and, more broadly, the Left's ongoing attempts to stifle all intellectual dissent.

For anyone concerned with freedom of speech and of intellectual expression, these are immensely important issues.

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welcome to truth in politics and i am with your hosts andrew bernstein and uh bosh fosten and tonight we have we have with us i was we have an esteemed uh guest tonight dr dr jason hill who's a who's a professor of uh philosophy let me in fact i will read you before before as introduction i will read you jason hill's professor of philosophy at depaul university which is in chicago by the way if anybody didn't know that he specializes in ethics politics foreign policy and moral psychology he's the author of five books including most recently we have overcome an immigrant's letter to the american people his forthcoming book available on amazon is what the white americans owe black people racial justice in the age of post oppression dr jason hill welcome to the show andy thanks for having me welcome yes yeah basha and i are both very excited to have you yeah and uh we want to discuss you know the the transgender issue your battle with the with cancer culture in the universe and in academia and just the way the left is is attempting to suppress uh in you know any intellectual descent in the in the in the country at all definitely so i i my first question is i know boss you probably have some questions for dr hill also but my first question is you know we're objectivists we should define our terms you know the leftists rarely do it and the religious conservatives don't do it as consistently as they should so transgender you know you hear a lot about that today how would you you know describe it rationally or or define it what is that what does that mean well the proper term i think is gender dis dysphoria which is a term that means that someone who is in conflict with his or her gender identity assigned at birth gender dysphoria means that you are in conflict with that identity that is assigned to your biological sex and that you reject the gender identity assigned that is someone who is assigned let's say a male who's whose chromosomal markers um are xy feels that he is a biological female likewise someone who is a biological female with the attendant chromosomal markers xx she would feel that she is a biological male trapped in a woman's body and therefore those individuals who identify as transgendered would think that they are their identities are non-binary that um gender identities are fluid and exist on a spectrum and that their identities are exist along a continuum uh in on that spectrum right to be specific as one can be when dealing with individuals who claim to be transgender i have a whole bunch of questions bosh but i'm sure you must have some questions for jason just one more now why are you violently transphobic that's that's the question that's a leftist that's a leftist smear said about you right they said you're violently transphobic i don't think you have any history of violence do you do you jason i don't think i don't i intellectual and uh but in terms of being physically violent i don't think i have a violent vote in my body but they were they actually wrote that it wasn't just that one accused they wrote that in the in the college paper didn't they that you recorded quote violently transphobic i mean right straight extremely violent transforming yeah like i body slammed this person against the wall with words with your words i mean you're very dangerous you know yes let me go back a little bit and we'll come back to uh the transgender issue but years ago if i remember correctly you you published an essay in salon right uh which was it what was it uh black jamaican and gay and iron man made it okay was that was that the title jamaican gay and iron ranch made it okay yes yeah and that was a salon which is to the best of my knowledge never never never mentioned iran's name except to you know extoriate her so exactly so i was i was i was glad to see anybody um anybody who wants to read that essay you could probably find it online somewhere right it was uh you know it's still there yeah great great um so coming back to the transgender issue i mean it's often put colloquially then that i could be any gender i want to be right it's just it's gender is not biologically hardwired it's a matter of subjective choice is that is that the way the the modern leftists look look at this issue i think that's right yes also one thing if you're not just me asking in terms of you've also been critical of those who uh who say that well there are no advantages to these transgender you know women of course i mean you know that i know that but if you could just maybe uh talk about a little right so the way this this whole this this conflict or this controversy arose was because one of the first things that president biden did in his few days of office which i thought was quite disastrous was that he threatened to withhold federal funds from those public institutions which refuse to allow trans women who are let's just be clear biological men yes from competing on women's sports i thought this was ridiculous because we all know that the reason that one among others one of the reasons that sports are segregated we have women's tennis teams and men tennis teams and women's soccer teams and men's soccer teams at infinitum is because exceptions to the to the rule that men are physically stronger than women yeah um and so i wrote a tweet i don't have a tweet with me but i wrote a tweet on the order of all trans persons should be treated with dignity agreed of course but trans women ought not to be allowed to compete in sporting events with uh biological women and that is controversial that is incredibly controversial it's unbelievable let me finish if i remember clearly because because biological men who are trans women who are biological men enjoy the advantage of male physical strength and i said this is a misogynistic move and it is a declaration of war against women now i think the student went trolling through my twitter account and then made the claim that professor hill said in class that we would be discussing whether a trans woman a biological no a biological man or a man could ever be a woman i i don't recall making such claim but on that claim not on my tweet on that claim that a man could ever be a woman i was violently transphobic violently wow well yeah this this is really really demented but let's just stay with reality here for a minute i just wanted to say i know i'm a shadow box i don't make a good you know host with guests because you know supposed to ask the guest questions and the guest speaks but i i got to say i got to say something here you know as an objectivist philosopher ryan rand you brilliantly pointed out the primacy of existence principle that existence has primacy over consciousness you know and and this is the you know example of the major era in metaphysics this is a primacy of consciousness uh manifestation that is if i believe that i'm female if i convince enough people in society believes i'm female then i'm female even though in fact i'm biologically male and it's just you know it's just dismissing reality it's just dismissing biological facts and laws in favor of subjective choice and it's a it's a bizarre uh philosophic error it reminds me you know the story and you you might you might use this jason and you know with in your class if you haven't heard the story the story that's ascribed to abraham lincoln i don't know whether it's true or apocryphal but lincoln was addressing a backwoods audience and he asked the audience if we call a horse's tail a leg how many legs will the horse dead have and the and the audience said five the horse will have five legs and lincoln said no the horse will have four legs because calling a tail or leg will not make it so that's a brilliant down-home privacy of existence you know uh way of thinking and it's the same point here calling a male or female will not make it so and i i think one last thing i wanted to say before i go back to you jason if i feel that i'm a a female trapped in a biologically male body that's got to be a very painful way to live my emotions are a war with my biological reality that's got to be painful and i would be very empathic to such a person and certainly you know any honest person would empathize but reality just doesn't change it just doesn't change because we will it to or wish it to and that's the key point here we have to accept that make up make up peace with it except that i'm male or female and you know there's there's there's no way to change that there's the or is it oh i don't know the science uh well no you don't want to change that no of course not you cannot obliterate the law of identity isaac as man said and you cannot just assert causality uh as uh before we get to causality you cannot obliterate the law of identity and uh and and obliterate the objective criterion that determines a sex which is not genitalia but chromosomal markers and and the xy chromosomal markers properly define uh the male sex and the xx chromosomal markers define female sex now that is an unassailable yeah indisputable fact right no matter no matter how many sex change operations i i have i'll never be able to have a baby that's right no moment well you know takes a woman to do that i can't do it what's that trouble for saying that also that that that i can't have a baby i can't conceive and carry the term and give birth that it takes a woman to do that and i'm not i'm not a woman and well i had a dispute with a not a depaul but with a colleague a philosophy colleague who said that we can no longer say that philosophy is the mother of all sciences of all disciplines because we know that men can give birth to women and everybody in the audience said here here and i said let let me just uh be the voice of reason here and they'll roll their eyes i said when we talk about men giving birth to women we know that it's a trans woman which means it's a biological female who has her reproductive apparatus in place which means she has her ovaries that she has her uterus and that she's vaginally able to to to to to usher the child through the birth canal uh well i got so much flack for that how dare you use the term biological sex and i said well if a gynecologist were here he wouldn't have a problem with it right that's right right uh yeah we want to get to the canceled culture that you that you're dealing with you know um but yeah but another point i wanted to ratio uh jason or basha you were either you uh fans of women's sports not really i really don't watch women's sports i don't watch any sports now personally okay i like i like women's i like i do not like women's soccer at all in fact i despise women's soccer but i like women's tennis and i like women's um figure skating because i think it's it's quite elegant and and the athleticism that's displayed it's quite beautiful yeah i'm i'm a big fan of women's sports i rooted you know strongly for the us women's uh you know team to win the world cup when it was a couple years ago you know even though they're all a bunch of leftists who who you know who who demand equal pay without seeming to care about the economic principles it would take for women you know to reach equal pay with male athletes but i was a big fan of you know the u.s women's soccer team women's tennis a big fan of women you know yukon women's basketball and i'm just thinking you know this transgender-ish issue um first of all you know if biological males who identify as female can now use women's bathrooms or when you know ladies room or ladies showers there's going to be a lot of teenage girls and adult women who can be very uncomfortable you know taking showers or sharing a bathroom with biological males and i i can't blame them that's for sure yeah but what's it going to do with women's sports i i mean you know if the women that you know the women at the yukon basketball team you know they're like five eleven six foot six one they're great athletes they're really good ball players and they've worked hard to be to become you know really good and then one of the main rivals now has a a a biological male who identifies as female he's six ten six eight six nine six ten dominant yeah i mean if he's if he's any good it's it's it's it's the injustice of that for these women who've trained so hard to to be a great athletes that they are now they have to compete against men who are bigger stronger very often faster because they have a longer stride longer arms which are big advantage in basketball tennis you know the longer legs generally was a big advantage in soccer uh you know it's just the injustice of the the insanity of it leads to this these kinds of injustices and you can do a lot of harm to women's sports i think so and i think we just need to stop um i mean people need to stop engaging what i would call the journalistic minutia of the of the issue and talk about the fact that it is going to it is predicated on pure malarkey it's predicated on lies and that they are they are men and men do not compete in women's sports and and we need to predicate the most extreme take this to its logical terminus which is what's going to happen is that a man a trans man a trans woman is going to crack open the skull and kill a woman one day on a field and she's he's going to be tried for homicide as he should be for murder and then the whole world will wake up to its senses but it's going to take something like a homicidal because it's going to be willful intent to harm to win the sport and he's going to assault her and kill her and the world will see what a bloody mess this this this this this nonsense really is all about it's just it's it's insane and uh not only you all was i was watching um uh tucker carlson uh a few weeks ago and he had he had a woman on the show to get her name offhand but she would talk about women's sports and they mentioned allison felix who's the women's world record holder i can't remember what in what event and she was this woman was saying in the united states today there's 300 or close to 300 high school boys who have a better time in in in in that at that distance than the women's world record holder does that's right that's right yeah and well i mean it's staggering but at the same time you know being biological male in most cases you're taller with longer legs and a longer stride which is a big advantage when you're when you're in a you know a foot race and so yeah the the the injustice this does to great female athletes it's just it's just terrible it's one thing also it's like sorry uh they want us to accept them as transgender we do as jason said you know we we give them the dignity that they deserve and all that yes but then they want to go into women's sports and they want to dominate women's sports they want to just use their powers their their physical strength against these women and that's why you do have to question some of these individuals who do that and the culture that allows it and also defends it to the hills where even even some scientists say there are no advantages it's a complete utter lie everyone knows it of course there are it's obvious yeah that's where do you think this comes from jason you're you're a philosopher i smell i smell marxism uh you know here well i can well immediately where it comes from andrew and bosch is uh you know the lgbt movement and i leave off the lg the lgb the the gay and lesbian movement i'm leaving off transgender and the q and the t and the plus plus plus plus plus adding the gay liberation movement won a battle in 2015 with the maritime equality act and people can have reasonable people can have reasonable disagreements about especially religious persons about the meaning of marriage but speaking you know from an objectivist perspective i agree with rand that the government has no business monitoring what people do consenting adults to in the privacy of their bedrooms so i think in 2015 as far as i'm concerned the gay rights movement came to an honorable end and gay and lesbian should have shut their mouths walked away with pride said the battle was won but no in order to keep their pathetic careers going what did they do they had to join the trans movement and claim that trans rights are universal rights right so i think that gay people had acquired some legitimate moral power some of it was not legitimate but some legitimate moral power on the premise that to the extent that an egregious assault have been have been waged against their individual rights that is the right of privacy the right for the government not to create sodomy laws not to create arbitrary laws discriminatory laws that that violated them on the basis of sexual orientation that their individual rights were protected and one could even make the argument that the state has no business um interfering or issuing um marriage license uh for a secular state has no business doing that so the battle was won and i think what has happened andrea bosch is that the trans movement has appropriated the moral power and the gay rights movement has ceded that moral power to the trans to trans the trans movement people are terrified now of challenging the trans movement because some of that moral legitimacy which the gay rights movement has has been transferred unquestionably to the trans movement right right let me jump in here for a second tell everybody yeah tell everybody you know if you if you like what you're seeing and hearing truth in politics you'll like our show share it subscribe to our youtube channel this is the way we this is the way we build we grow we're gonna keep having guests you know heroes courageous intellectuals like jason hill on keep spreading the word of your of reason uh and and and individual rights here and um you know i sense marxism here in in that you know marxism divvy's the world up there's not it's not as it's not social world is not divided into individuals it's divided into groups and there's the oppressed the oppressor group and there's the oppressed and well the the the flavor of the day you know is the is the transgender you know it used to be with blacks or gays or women but now we're beyond that now it's the transgenders who are the oppressed group and interesting given you know the government giving this group the power to oppress women you know who have long been you know held as oppressed by men now they're going to be and some you know historically women in the west certainly were in many parts of the world they still are and now the government is given a subgroup of of the male population power to oppress women in a new form it's it's just what well it's what goes around comes around you know who's who's next who's the next flavor of the month who's going to oppress the the transgender community well we'll find out in a year or two i suppose but it's not the thing with leftists once they achieve what they say that they want to achieve they always go further always if they want voting rights and then they they want other rights they want extra rights they don't want to actually to be equal they don't want to be recognized as individuals they want to be as the group and keep keep going keep going to a never-ending who knows i mean as you say uh you know jason they did co-opt it they did basically almost almost take it over this movement in terms of the lgbtq you know as i don't know how many more letters are in there right but i got it i got it i got a common sense question you know i'm a biological male let's say i'm six six or whatever and i'm a really good basketball player and identify as female okay identifies female and everybody you know should be empathetic to that because like i said that's got to be painful i don't play basketball i don't want to just play basketball you know or an organized sport against against other men and you know and not not again not against women it's just it just doesn't that part of it makes no sense there is a misogyny uh issue as you noted jason i really i really believe that as well it has to be and it has to be to the point where when they dominate women and it's just uh they know that they'll probably win that way they will they they count on that almost you know that's part of it and it keeps i mean you you know you keep seeing the record holders are keep coming out as quote-unquote biological mills you know you know and that's and that's the whole thing it's just it is that kind of thing where it's just they have a window now and they can get away with it because the culture accepts it the government accepts it now with even biden now and it's just these guys who i do question their motives i do i don't think they're just innocent people pretending that well i identify as a woman they're six foot something they dominate these women and also the issue of the scholarships these women have counted on this and a lot of them will lose that that shot you know by getting in certain schools yeah i would even go further and say there's a crisis in masculinity right these men are not men enough they're not real tough men enough to deal with real men all right people don't want to talk about there's a crisis of masculinity among these trans these trans women they're not meant to deal with real men biological men on the team sport so what did they do they gang up like bullies terrorize the women on the women's sport who are physically weaker than men and that's the way that they can that's the way they can retain their girliness and their femininity right while somehow retaining some semblance of a masculine identity they want to have their cake and eat it too and society is letting them get away with it and i say well not on my watch right well you are a courageous dude jason you're saying stuff you're saying stuff that in a couple of years are gonna get you sent to a gulag but i'm gonna be in the next cell with you so i can't you know i can't and when you discuss these things sorry jason when you when you tweet those things that's in your that that's on your twitter that's a it's a separate from your classes right i didn't i never pulled it out exactly exactly so what i'm saying is they have to go there then they say you know what look what he tweeted well that's that's my twitter page that's separate them than my classes it shouldn't be a problem it really shouldn't but my twitter page doesn't even have my depaul affiliation on it because i'm a college professor right right let's get to the let's get to the real scary stuff that you know that um you know about the suppression of intellectual dissent you know that that the left does not want dissent you know a rational person you know if if basha and i let's say we agreed with the transgender mentality we agreed one i could be any gender i want to be and this primacy of consciousness manifestation is is accurate and two we have no problem with men biological men playing women's sports you know and everything uh and then you know so we would have you you know we would have you on the show as the voice of intellectual dissent because you know the the way the way truth gets further to human life in part is by by a vigorous debate you know of rational people who have dissenting dissenting viewpoints so you know we i think bashar we we would have people on we disagree with them we will right sure yeah we'll have have rational i don't want people left this on a little bit of just you know insult us but rational leftists you know we could that we can you know rationally disagree with so we absolutely challenge our premises so the fact the fact that over and over and over again the leftists in different forms they want to cancel you they want to sense you they want to they want to suppress you i talk about somebody having a crisis of self-confidence you know and and um it's it's really scary the the movement towards censoring and suppressing in different forms freedom of speech and freedom of intellectual expression so i know i know you've been fighting this this front you know on this front uh at the poll what's been what's been your experience with with the with the university with the administrators anybody there anybody that support your you know your your right to to speak out or they all want to they want to silence you in one form or another most certainly not i mean the people who support me are one or two people who meet quietly with with me off of campus because they're distinguished professors who've been there for 39-40 years but uh don't want to base to face the social ostracism or the sense of isolation from their beloved communities why you would want you know this is what rand would call being a social metaphysician why you would want the respect of people whom you secretly despise i don't know but i don't have any support of anyone on campus i have the support of two people on campus really or three people whom i said will meet with me off campus to have coffee quietly uh but don't want you know don't want to run the risk of running a foul with their uh polluted despicable colleagues i don't want to be respected by people i don't respect um so my my you know i'm in a lawsuit uh soon the universities were defamation libel and uh for violating the terms of my contract because i was censored in in a a manner that validated the faculty handbook um so i mean litigation against university um but you know to to speak in really philosophical philosophical matter i think that we have to be very clear about what is taking place in this country our universities are national security threats they're indoctrination centers run by marxist leftists who are turning our universities not into the domains of learning but into indoctrination centers and there's no harm in teaching left-wing positions alongside right-wing positions but when you criminalize reason logic and call them the constructs of white european male imperial racists when you criminalize thought and you handicap your students from offering rejoinders and counterpoints to the positions that you're offering then you have committed child abuse and these people have become this is what i call systemic nihilists they're all to destroy and we have to be very clear on this the prophesied they hate america it hates america it's capitalism reason logic western civilization they are out for nothing but a wholesale destruction of the american republic and western civilization you cannot reason with these people because they think that reason is a construct uh stemming reason and and logic are constructs art arbitrary artificial constructs created by western white impulse to marginalize and destroy people of color and this all stemmed from the latter part of the civil rights movement i have i in my forthcoming book i have the civil rights movement divided into two parts the the moral part and the late civil rights movement which gave rise to black studies women's studies chicana studies post-colonial studies which which sub which instituted what i call revolutionary victim studies right where we had advocacy and uh and and activism replacing scholarship and there began the rise of feelings identity politics to replace the cannot not just the canonical disciplines but to replace the only means that can adjudicate among truth claims reason and logic i know the chickens have come home to roost we are seeing the logical terminal terminus terminal points of of the late sixties movements where these fake disciplines starting with black studies which gave rise to these other disciplines that assaulted reason assaulted logic and used feelings and emotional vibrations and emotion emotions as the only legitimate ways of legitimizing uh viewpoints uh i can't great opinions none of us can great opinions as scholars in the classroom right we can't create unsubstantiated viewpoints which is what an opinion is yeah i've long thought that instead of your women's studies or black studies we should just have human studies you know study study history and include you know study the great women of history study the great black achievers of of history you know study the maria montessori's and the george washington carvers and you know and the book of t washington's and all the you know all of the other great achievers and it doesn't matter what gender you know they are or what what race they are but they've contributed monumentally to human life especially the great achievers who've made advances in agricultural science like george washington carver or childhood education like maria montessori and you know we just we're individual members of the human race it doesn't you know it doesn't matter uh your gender matters romantically right but it doesn't matter uh that it doesn't matter regarding moral stature or or intellectual achievements and by the way i just want to point something else there's a craziness of this we've been discussing you know the primacy of consciousness mentality that i could be any gender i want to be biological reality we could just like leonard p cliff would say ow and it says whatever whatever i wish or will you see the what what really exacerbates the irrationality or or underscores it is the suppression of dissent you know it really tells us they're crazy and irrational because if somebody believed that honestly and rationally you wouldn't get all crazy when somebody disagreed you'd reason back and forth you know the the the people uh the transgender i i could be any gender i want to be and men should compete in women's sports they would reason with you dr hill so we disagree and we'll reason back and forth but they don't they try to silence you uh that shows you know that just underscores how how irrational how irrational this mentality is because that's not the way rational people d you know interact with people who disagree with them on some serious intellectual topic right there and they don't even have the dignity of believing or the arrogance of believing in their own infallibility there's something noble about someone who's possessed of a moral rectitude and impactability who really thinks that i've got this and i'm and i'm infallible about that position there's a sort of a sort of noble dignity they don't these people don't even believe that they know that they're wrong what they want their power lusters their their pimps their they are they're they're they're they're jason why don't you tell us how you really feel go ahead i'm really enjoying this year yeah this is great they're pimps they're they're hubsters they are they're they're power lusters who want a coercive monopoly on the use of force over the cognitive sensibilities and minds of people what they want to do is a wholesale nationalization of the minds of people they want to they want to take over i'm not a conspiracy theorist here i've been in academia now for 20 i've been a professor almost for 25 years i've watched this and this is what they really really want they are power lusters um no they want to make us the and they want to be the pimps that's what they really want to do right they want to make us slaves um so this is this is this is the agenda they're systemic nihilism their wholesale destroys of values as you know ayn rand once said destruction of the good for the sake of it just being good absolutely that's that's envy right right we got a question here um what's the reason they give for why reason is invalid that's a i think you touched upon that already jason but maybe you want to hit that again that's a good question what's their rea and i like the way the question of phrase what's the reason for why reason is invalid well they can't they can't give any reason what they do is just ostensibly point to nothing but a racist explanation that is they point to the pigmentocracy or the racial descriptive identity of the individuals who discovered reason who didn't even conceive of themselves as white the greeks um who you know i mean race is a as a recent invention as we all know it's uh the racial taxonomies didn't really develop until uh the the late 18th century uh so the greeks didn't conceive themselves as whites the greeks were members of a polis who who consider themselves athenians or spartans or cenopions uh what the reason they give is is nothing short of pointing to um what again i have to point to the great ein rand um because she came up with all these terminologies biological collectivism that is lumping a group of people who share who seem to share similar characteristics um together and um and impute to those people uh very very nefarious motives and that is the worst form of racism that you can ascribe to a person to sort of collectivize a group of people and then thereby impute uh motives ill with full forethought of malice you say that these people uh together have devised something like reason like logic to oppress universally and uh in a wholesale manner a whole class of people that's that's the reason they give that's yeah that's that's really that's really interesting and you know you know what else it just occurred to me why you were speaking jason there's there's an antecedent here the nazis had very similar reasons you know that you know they were emotionalists our feelings dictate to us it's you know we know our moral superiority it's in our blood and our bowels and logic is a jewish tool i mean logic is a logic is a tool by which the jews you know have oppressed you know their rightful aryan you know superior race yes you know the marxists today uh either don't realize or they probably don't care because the american education system is so bad they realize most of us don't realize that they're really making a a nazi argument that logic logic it's not grounded in reality there's nothing objective about it's not based in fact it's just it's a subjective creation of one group whether it's the jews or the whites or whatever it is uh in order to oppress you know the members of different races or different you know uh different racial groups or different ethnic groups it's it's really it's the the this antecedent may go back further historically but it goes back at least as far as the nazis this is this was a nazi this is a nazi claim that's what leonard pickoff calls uh i think polylogism right the many many logics many logics yeah right right uh pigmentocracy by the way i see uh yeah gilbert in the in the in the chat pigmentocracy wow i agree with you gilbert that's great stuff jason i never heard that term i mean uh is that your turmoil or is that current in in academia it's like pigmentocracy well it's it's what it's what really rules jamaican society because we don't have a concept of race i mean because uh when when you talk about a black person jamaica you're talking about someone whose skin color is black so i mean i was never i i discovered i was black when i came to america coming from a multi-ethnic family um i did my dna and i'm 45 african 42 european 10 pakistani and east indian the rest is burmese thai and indonesia and then and then i've got 2 neanderthal so you know what you know what jason welcome to the human race that's what we all are that's right we're all a bunch of mutts so we use pigmentocracy in jamaica meaning when we say you know you're judged i was considered a brown person so pigmentography that the term that i grew up with okay yeah i never heard it before i agree with jason i mean with gilbert and i'm i'm impressed and again let me say everybody you know i'm just wait this is just a third episode of truth in politics so bash and i you're getting used to being your masters of you know of this of this form you know discuss seeing these serious issues while monitoring the chat so keep you'll keep asking questions we'll get better and better at that and you'll like us share share our subscribers touchdown we're going to grow huge and get the message of reason out you know uh across the across the world so i know i have a bunch more questions for jason but bosh you have you have some questions just one thing uh based on what you were saying before do you enjoy teaching today with the kind of things that are going on with the students the way they are i'm just curious today these days today i must say that some of my teach my enjoyment has diminished but i i will tell you i teaching is a passion it's it's it's a it's a love that i feel in the core of my belly and i'll i'll be very honest and speak bluntly about why i continue teaching today our civilization is is falling all republic is our great republic of america is falling and i'll tell you what i enjoy about teaching today i am i have become an elitist and a proud elitist and when i teach today i used to teach in a very sort of not in the way that rand would frown upon in a very egalitarian way in the sense that i teach the best that resides within all of my students today i am teaching to the cadre of elites the vanguards of our civilization the handful of students maybe three in each class who will rebuild the golds and the rarens and the works who will rebuild the civilization or the muck that is going to be what our civilization will be reduced to i have to wake up each morning think that among all my students there are at least four thinking students who are alive for whom reason and logic and individualism and and the great things of our civilization matter and those are the students i cannot abandon someone has to tend to their minds i remember the last speech that rand gave um to the in new orleans i think was called the sanction of the victims and she said so long as there is one man left thinking there is hope and you know that one statement that she made uh it was in the questionnance appeared so long as there's one man thinking there is hope has has sort of given me the inspiration every morning as i see year after year uh what the students are coming into the classroom from k through 12 i think if there's there are two students out of 30 who are hungry for a professor who does not put the size his classroom who teaches in the old-fashioned way who's committed to scholarship who's committed to reason to precision to lucidity of thought to clarity who wants just you know i mean i remember rants describing dali's paintings as a world without dust and that's what i want my students to see a world without dust with goggles on a world illuminated with clarity not like these twisted perverted postmodernists who want to you know what she what she describes in the comfort chicos uh break the break the minds of their students and them conceptually so i don't enjoy it as much as i used to but i still have a passion to reach the individualists among them and that sort of keeps me going yeah that's a that's an excellent that's an excellent motivation and an answer to the question jason and you know i'm still in the classroom too most i don't know about at the pool most of my students are girls because i don't know probably 65 or 70 percent of the students or girls so yeah you're right i look for there might be a dagny taggart in you in there or or an iron rand or a maria montessori you never know when you when you're going to come across a really active mind and she doesn't have to be a genius or he doesn't have to be just an active mind who wants to learn and that makes teaching rewarding but but your bash and i are um passionately dedicated you know with to support individual rights across the board but above but but freedom above all means freedom of the mind and with passionate to defend free speech freedom of intellectual expression which we see you know there are religious conservatives who want to suppress it on this that or the other issue but overwhelmingly the danger comes from the left um which is what you know what we're discussing today so you know i'm thinking of the gina carano issue is there some you see do you see any connection between what happened to her being canceled in effect or fired from disney and the battle in the battle that you're waging is there some similarity on you know on the left's attempt to stifle intellectual expression stifle dissenting views do you see any similarity there well it's uh you know i'm a little bit torn here because i think quite often uh i do think that private organizations do have a right based on their their values to regulate like the wall street journal doesn't have a right to publish the ideas of communists however i do think that when um certain companies like facebook and um twitter and other social media are are um are exempt from um certain how can i put it they're exempt from certain um uh i'm becoming articulate no i had my thoughts all worked out they they're treated almost like public utilities in the sense that they're exempt from defamatory um laws and and certain of the restrictions that are placed on let's say like the wall street journal or the new york times they are free from um it gets a little tricky for me um but but but but i also think that there's just aside from these these these high-tech companies um there is a general ethos um that is propagated mainly i think by the left and ironically it used to be the left right in the 60s who were the vanguards of free speech right right that i mean they used to be the protectors of free speech there's just the basic ethos that uh is coming out that anything that is offensive deserves to be cancelled and i think the battle really is philosophical is just to challenge that because i think people the the the the the heads of twitter and and and youtube and and and facebook are basically just following the market and and and their folks are these snowflakes um they're basically snowflakes really who uh balk at any kind of offense their sensibilities and what needs to be communicated is that so what you you know john stewart mill always said that in his the second chapter of unlimited that there are inconveniences to freedom and part of the one of the inconveniences to freedom and liberty is that your sensibilities are going to be assaulted by the edc and sometimes not idiocy but anything that challenges received wisdom and um which includes the opinions and the offenses uh uttered by other people and um and so these these tech companies i think are just responding to the the perceived uh res the perceived repercussions that will come if they don't take action from their snowflake clients and i think what really what we i think is already too late but i think what needs to be really can be communicated which has been lost upon these snowflakes is that offensiveness is not a violation of your rights and you do have a democratic right to be offended and the way to fight hate speech is with more speech more spiritual right more speech and then more speech this has got to be this has got to be communicated in our culture that you don't shut down hate speech you fight hate speech with more speech with rational speech with rational speech right right absolutely you know and by the way my sensibilities are offended every damn day by the new york times that's right and you know and you know and then you know and every every day but i don't wanna i don't wanna censor these guys yeah exactly so i don't want to make a point keep saying what you're saying and we'll say what we say sorry go on yeah and whoever has more evidence to support their conclusion will will win amongst rational minds yeah i wanted to say i don't think any of us would here would disagree that disney or any private company has the right to to lay down any any terms of association they want and if you violate our terms of association we have the right to fire you yes as in gina carrano's case so you know they have the legal political right to do that i would never argue against that it's privately owned company yes but but there's a deeper issue here there's a moral philosophic issue here about whether this is the right thing to do yeah and you know and i think to me the principle here or the principles uh and watching i discussed this two weeks ago but it's so important let's just reprise it um the the principles involved here one iran showed us brilliantly that human life is the standard of moral value and that which advances human life is is the good and two related to that open debate and dissent of honest people uh is is a is a help it's an aid in uh finding the truth you know the back and forth of ideas who has more evidence to support their conclusion made up you may have made a more logical argument win and so if i was the head of disney and uh you know i hate the left that i mean that's pretty clear and gina cronin let's say was one of my employees was a leftist and she he or she came out you know in favor of bernie sanders and let's see let's you know let's move towards socialism you know or something like that uh i wouldn't necessarily fire that person although i'd be within my political legal rights too i might call you know him him or her into the office and say let's let's rationally you know not to chew him out but just let's rationally discuss this you really think socialism is better than capitalism and let's let's say my socialist employee said yes i said okay fine you know you that you have the right to your opinion go ahead and express it but as the head of the company i'm going to put out publicly you know fight what i consider mistaken ideas with with accurate ideas i'm i'm gonna put out all the reasons on my twitter account or my facebook account everywhere on my on my website i'm gonna put out all the reasons why capitalism is both morally and practically superior to socialism and let and let the better that the conclusion has more evidence when i wouldn't fire this person right simply because they're uh i regard them as egregiously mistaken i that's not how we promote human life freedom of speech promotes human life and that's the good that's i would condemn disney morally for that even while i would uphold their legal political right to do exactly absolutely i couldn't agree with you more yeah but that's the left they they have to shut down their opponents because they really can't argue on their ideas they they really can't so they want just just to shut you up especially the best arguers i mean those who actually have a great case against them you know that's why they they see rand as one of the major major major threats you know because she is actually i mean like when the new york times what did they say about it recently they uh trashed her with some uh paul krugman yeah yeah what do you think about it that she calls covet that's right i mean that her selfishness uh that her philosophy of selfishness caused covert to kill many more people than otherwise would have right was that was that krugman's claim something like that yeah it's a nobel prize winner in economics right he is an iran villain he really is yeah he's like robert stadler uh yeah this is just nonsense at best it's you know it's it's vicious nonsense so what do you think uh you sounded a little pessimistic about the the future of the republic jason i know what do you what do you if we if we can be pressy as prescient as as is possible for us what do you what do you see coming in the in the in the future well i think we need a new kind of and i i don't know what i don't know what sort of form it should take it shouldn't be i don't you know i'm not of course i'm not a status i think we need a new some form of i had did a podcast with a federalist today i did about four interviews today tonight so i'm so wondering well you're you're a superstar i'm glad i'm glad you're getting i'm glad you're getting the message out and you're still sharp one of the things i was talking about today was um we need a kind of mccarthyism coming from from from people who are opponents of the left and when i say mccarthyism i use that i'm using it conceptually i don't i'm not using it as a branch of the government but we need a kind of of elemental force coming from voices of reason that will have the kind of force that cancer culture has to wield it implacably and intransigently and without mercy towards mercy towards none that can weed out and and and export from these universities these hateful professors who are purveyors of of of of of death cult of death now i would love to have a conversation start thinking maybe start an article about what this kind of mccarthyism would look like and what it what shape it might i'm talking more about a cultural force that can counter the left's cultural force and privately done you youtube and private they don't yeah it's probably done you know privately done but that would have the kind of moral uh strength and vigor and and we don't want apologists in that in that group we don't want uh people apologizing for american exceptions and we want people who are proud and who have the weight of reason and facts and arguments on their side um i think something like that is what is needed among others there are many many other solutions but i think a kind of and i'm just using mccarthyism here because i think mccarthy you know i agree with i think you did a show on on i was listening to half of i didn't get to finish it um on mccarthy's branded as a villain and and really he was an agent for reading or communism yeah i wrote an essay on it for the objective standard you know right yeah four years ago exactly and communism is a form of people have a right to believe what they want to believe but it's a it's a form of they advocated violence and they incited people towards violence and it's a form of violence expropriating uh the private property of people is legalized as iran would say it's legalized theft as a totalitarian state and and the soviet union had massive amounts of of agents spying on the u.s government you know give the information bringing information back to stalin mccarthy was right in a num in a number of cases but i love your point here but it ties into the kind of thing that bash and i have been discussing you know we need heroes to step up establish you know their own social media platforms with privately owned servers that aren't dependent on on big tech you know and then and then able to you know uh a new news network you know because fox has definitely moved left you know privately owned by as you put it in intransigently uh dedicated individualists devoted to freedom and capitalism there's a lot of money to be made here there's tens of millions of of americans who are disenfranchised by by the left now to stand up fearlessly you know for american greatness for individualism for capitalism you know uh those newspapers uh media companies with you know network news and you know cable news social media platforms privately owned servers i i hope i hope we see this in the in the coming years more and more american patriots standing up for that against you know against the leftist hegemony controlling the the the culture it can it can still be done we still have enough freedom in this country to do it we can and we have to explain to the american people for example why we should have why the the teachers unions in this country should be abolished by public edu and let me tell you i used to be a big advocate of public education i i now think that the worst thing and rand was right all along i remember that show on phil donahue what you said you know and i was like oh ran oh could you be so cruel you know these poor kids public education needs to be abolished in this country it is the biggest and i see because i see what's let me just give you an example a friend of mine was telling me who didn't know what was going on in his kids high school this guy is in i think seventh grade and was you know just looking over his kid's shoulder on zoom and the kid had uh the teacher was telling the kid to put his hand his kid is white put his hand beside a brown paper bag and the teacher said to all the students all of whom are white most of whom are white that if your the color of your skin is not the color of the brown paper bag you are part of the systemic problem of this country how old were these kids their 7th sixth or seventh graders like 11 or 12. that's right establish this this is like a form of original sin that they want to steep the you know these young white kids in right they're they're born with sin because they were born white that are it's not just our universities our public or public educational systems are national become national securities threat that's a form of child abuse yes it is it is and it's completely irrational because you know you can't be a racist or or have any moral or immoral characteristics without volition that you know your morals your moral status depends on choice it can't be determined by what race you happen to be born into as a form of original sin and it's it's it's irrational and evil and you're making these kids you know you're making these kids uh experience this profound and deep amount of honor and guilt because of their racial origins i mean i'd be coming in child abuse you're right jason and you're creating racists because these kids are going to one thing you do guilt implies wrongdoing right that's a that's a difference your concept is clear i love cons i love concepts i love definition of concept guilt implies wrongdoing you tell a 12 year old child that he's part of a problem this poor child has done nothing wrong what is he going to see and feel when he sees the next black person resentment and hatred because he's taught to feel that i am the cause of your suffering and the cause of your poverty when that 11 or 12 year old child is meant to feel guilty that which implies wrongdoing for something he knows he's not done the concomitant emotion is going to be hatred so they're breeding racists right it's not just it's not that they're just inducing guilt they're also manufacturing racists under the guise of manufacturing anti-racism and tolerance this is the evil nefarious species speciousness that is going on in our public public educational systems so we need to explain this to the public and and and make a profound case on philosophic grounds for why public education which people see as a social good is has become an absolute well probably was always an absolute monstrosity you know you make a really good point jason and bosh you and i discussed this last week how the endless anti-white racism white people you know are racist you know and veteranly racist and white privilege and white guilt and everything it's just going to enable people like richard spencer you know and the the the white supremacists the few that they still are in the country to reach out to some of their more ignorant white brothers and sisters and they're gonna you know uh they're gonna grow there's the you know the clan and the nazi party are very marginalized amongst 20 or 30 million white americans but they're going to grow now with all this vicious anti-white hatred coming from the left and you know an uncritical person might think oh jesus the marxists shouldn't do that that's not in their self-interest to arouse more nazis in the country but they do want to do it it is in their self-interest they want endless riots like in charlottesville a few years ago or in seattle they want chaos just like the nazis in 19 weimar germany endless street battles between the storm the hitler storm troopers and the communists and union organizers and burn the cities endless riots and the street battles bring the capitalist system to its knees bring the republic to its knees uh and then you could argue we need a strong authoritarian hand to suppress the the chaotic violence they want they want to create the white racist you're talking about it's really it's really sick they want richard spencer to become more and more popular in the so-called alt-right you know the which is really the yeah it's really it's really scary it's scary and that's that's what collectivists do right they expropriate the agency of of everyone and they leave you feeling paralyzed and crippled and then a managerial class comes along and tells you that you're victims you're helpless against the system we are powerful we can take care of you that's why they've never liked me because i've never had a victim's story to tell them i've never been a victim i mean and if i've been victimized in a you know if i've been found myself a victim of a racial incident i i handle it head-on right there in the moment quit pro quo you said this you asked you know you and i deal with it and i move on and i'm not i don't adopt a victim identity but i don't have a victim story so i'm not part of you know uh an underling in uh their uh their managerial class and and and that's what they do they expropriate the agency of of these kids white and black assume the position of a lord of the manor and uh and that's that's how that's all how all totalitarian cults have arisen if you you know if you look at history i mean you you it's it's it's it's very scary it's happening in america no it is it is our good our good friend uh brad thompson down at the clemson institute for the study capitalism calls himself an abolitionist right that he's part of his goal yeah polish the government school system and government schools government schools you know people call them public schools call them government schools that's exactly what they are they are government schools just that just that terminology i think it's important to continue using that one as well yes yes yeah and i would like i would like i said i was glad to see gina carano landed a gig with uh ben shapiro and then you know the they're making a movie i think this ties back to what you were saying before jason that it's time for you know his bench appears an orthodox jew he's very religious so you know i disagree with him but still he loves america he doesn't hate america the way the way the left does and we see more and more americans whether they're religious or secular people who actually are americans and love america stand up against the the leftist suppression of free speech and you know i see i see more opportunities than you know for for people like gina carano and you see see more and more people standing up and speaking out and you know and and starting their own platforms because the left controls you know the left controls the intellectual culture almost 100 percent you know one thing wasn't so that was the quickest turnaround i think i've ever seen in terms of someone who was canceled right and next day literally has a new you know a new job a new movie a new i thought that was great because that wouldn't happen prior to that that really people just then after that they fade away yeah this time she just right back within 24 hours i mean that's i think i think that's that changes things it really does there's tens of millions of americans who are at least who oppose the vicious insanity of the left and they may be starting to maybe that many of them have had it you know up to here with this kind of incentive it has to be a reaction because they've been so evil so deliberately so that i think it it i think the reaction has to be coming and it seems like it is i think it is at least you know i think uh they've been going for decades now to the point where it's just i mean we are real in real deep trouble it's it's for the first time in my life i've ever thought about america like it might not last might have to get the hell out of here exactly i never thought about that before ever in my life exactly we're at war yeah we are it's the cultural war and the the response has been nothing i mean really nothing nothing nothing the left has been at war with america for decades now and it's it's exacerbated as the years have gone by and now it's at a point it's just it's it's just vicious insanity i mean it's just it's unbelievable how evil the the left ever every single day we're just reminded of how deep we are i mean how how deeply troubled we are and again that kind of response uh but jason brings it up in terms of getting some kind of movement some kind of strong individuals to condemn these and moral terms and also maybe to do something about it in terms of uh i don't know just to find the other platforms to find the other outlets to find the other like uh again create them from scratch you have to create them now it's very possible jason that you know the bashing idea truth in politics will get cancelled by youtube but i'm you know i'm hoping that you know you know other producers other creators like rumble or other companies will have independent platforms that we can that we can shift to with their own servers which may be smaller at first but we can still you know reach an awareness i think i think what i think what you were talking about is starting to happen i think was and i think you know ben shapiro and gina carrano are one example of that you're you're a prime example bosh and i on our show are an example i i wasn't going to do this show uh politics isn't my love i don't write but i want to write books but the evil of the left and suppressing uh absolutely flexible freedom i felt i had to stand up and and do this and so many objectivists seem to think that the religious conservatives are as dangerous or more so than the left and they're just flat wrong and somebody has to stand up and say the left is the danger the evil is coming from the left the religious conservatives are bad in some ways they're dangerous but they're they're pikers they're they're amateurs compared to left somebody in the objectivist movement has to stand up and say that so we have that shot i'm glad i'm glad you're doing what you're doing jason because i think i think you're a hero the way you're standing up against culture at depaul university thank you and i want to say that the religious conservatives are not running a muck in our humanities and social sciences right right right and the thing about that people uh people regard the the religious conservatives as sort of like fringe as as as some of them would say oh they're wackos right in the same with that white supremacists um are horrible people but they're not in our classroom teaching they're not teaching their white supremacist beliefs in the classrooms black lives matter and antifa and and these people who support them are in the classrooms teaching and that's the difference i pointed to people i said you know white supremacists and and uh and the religious conservatives are to be condemned of course of course rational people and and reasonable people would condemn them but but in an imperfect world again conceptual and qualitative distinctions have to be made you don't have these people running or incident or or or higher education or running classrooms in k-12 in our public schools what you have are the left-wing wackos who are indoctrinated or students and that that difference that difference has to be pointed out absolutely definitely with you on that absolutely 100 to the extent they teach i mean i had 20 kids i won't mention any names i had 20 kids in a college class last year you know right before they shut down and put everything online 20 kids in a college level philosophy class all american kids all reared in america 10 of them 50 of the students had never heard of james madison they had never heard of them of the guy who you know was the lead author of the us constitution virtually the sole author of the bill of rights they never heard of them so they that's and that's not a typical that's that's that's more typical than not they don't they teach very little american history or any history in the american high schools now and if they do teach it they're using howard zinn or some equivalent of how old yes yes yes to teach to teach not history but just anti-american communist propaganda yeah yeah so you're absolutely right the leftists are running a month they control the school system they control the humanities departments of the universities they control the news media they they control hollywood they control the democratic party uh they they control the culture and and now all branches of government and now that now they're running they can run amok and they are they have you know people like aoc talking about we want lists of trump supporters and political enemies a member of the dnc david atkins said we have to the democrats have to think in terms of post-world war ii germany and japan to re-educate or you know uh you know republicans they're talking about re-education camps you know it's it's the new york times the paper record recommends to the president that we need you know we we need some arbiter of reality we need you know we need some realities are yeah realities reality is all right that's right yeah realities are to determine truth from your government is going to determine truth from falsehood uh information from from distant from disinformation knowledge from you know from propaganda the government's going to do that i mean that's from the paper of record that's not from the daily worker that's from the new york times uh so we're moving towards a totalitarian state uh and the the most the most egregious sign of it is the war on freedom of speech that's that's the most dangerous that's that's why that's why i want to do the show why i asked bosh to co-host if that goes we're done yeah that's it that's all good that's the key issue and you know what else we need to do guys we have to communicate to parents because i covet is a horrible thing but one thing that has what i've seen uh i don't like to speak in terms of a benefit from a pandemic but one one eye opener that has come out of kovit is that there have been so many parents who uh for the first time are made privy to what is really being taught to their children in the classroom because of because of the online teaching and we need to paint an apocalyptic picture of what awaits their children if this nonsense continues from k through 12. because parents have with with absolute good faith and trusted their children into government schools and then you start using that term now and and not naively but in good faith and trusted the continued socialization that they've handed over to teachers and the continued cognitive development of their children's minds and have been unaware of how their minds have been twisted and they're now slowly realizing through this pandemic and staying at home and and seeing exactly what is being taught and this needs to be exploited and and and and i intend to write about it and and to warn these parents that um you know if this continues there is an apocalypse down the road for your children this is not going to end well for your children absolutely absolutely right let me jump in here so everybody out there in freedom of speech land you know we want to grow the network here and reach a broader audience like the show share it subscribe to the youtube channel uh and i think we will gradually reach more and more people you know in 1955 to your point jason 1955 rudolph flesch published his famous book why johnny can't read which was a defense of phonics against you know various forms of the whole word method i'm writing a book you'll be glad to know you know right now why johnny still can't read or you know or or write you know or write spell or run or understand math and what we could do about it and we're you know really gonna um it's it's written for the parents it's not retracted that academics the parents have to know it's very simple terms the parents have to know what's being done to their kids and how we can fix it right it's gonna be short books succinct and you know very very uh simple you know for you for the parents oh the millions of parents need to know because you're right they're going to work they drop the kids off at school in the morning in good faith and they think the kids are going to get an education and and they're not they either get nothing or you know time wasting stuff or they get communists you know leftist propaganda and now they know it concretely that's a that's a great observation jason because it's true now they can see it you know directly and say whoa we we're you know we're in real trouble here and if we don't do something about it our kids will be in real trouble exactly that's very good yeah a lot of the kids a lot of the college kids struggle just with the mechanics of reading i use the fountainhead as the main text of my ethics classes for 30 years i can't use the fountainhead anymore i think you can't read it now and even if we used even if we use you know the audio books the reading comprehension they're not they're not ready at 18 19 20 21 it's they didn't stop using it they're not ready when when did you stop using just a few years ago i i gave up i gave up essay tests in philosophy classes too i've given them shorter answers because they can't write one they can't write college level essays and two just my own mental health and survival it's agony to try and grade their essays i can imagine yeah but i want to share with your audience what we were talking about before but i i uh for eight for seven years i was teaching a very very difficult text which i started reading from i was 19 and i read it every year now i've read it every year for the past 35 years i ran's introduction to objectivist epistemology it's been a staple in my philosophy and i teach a course on philosophy and neurobiology and i teach another course on philosophy and cognition and uh the course went well for six years and in the past two years you know i had i had one student who broke down and said this is white supremacy i had to actually take her into the hall and comfort her and then they took away the course from me but um but the main point is that it just took one student and the rest of the class was like rand is and i said rand is probably the least racist white supremacist thinker on the face of the earth but it wasn't that it was that the the idea of objectivity and certainty and reason right um advocated and uh and developed and and you know we had gone to i think the chapter on abstractions from abstractions and all hell just broke loose i mean they couldn't handle it and so they said this is just white supremacist racist stuff because if you apply this stuff to like native american culture it would just ruin native american culture and i just stood there like yeah and one student only one student it just took one student just collapsed it that's where we are these days i mean one complaint for something like that someone gets fired just one complaint for you know it doesn't matter what just someone complained that's it you see that the horror of this and here you know the the results of post-modernism right this is the the post-modern mentality it completely politicized and racialized epistemology and the whole field of philosophy the whole field of cognition now it's only about politics gaining power who has power who's using power to oppress how do we stand up for the oppressed against the oppressors it's uh very often it's the one race oppressing another the whites oppressing the the non-whites when you do that when you politicize and racialize the whole field of cognition what you really what you've really done is you've neutered cognition there's no there's no knowledge anymore now it's just about power politics collective struggle the struggle for power and and the postmoderners say as such right there's yeah of course yeah every every race and every each gender has his own way of cognizing reality there's there's no dictionary of translation so we struggle at the end of the day like facilities says in the in the republic you know force force is the final arbiter of human disputes and and you know what thracimek is injustice is the will of the stronger that's really that's really what it what it comes down to and hence you know you see the students burned down seattle riot for months you know it's it's a it's it's a means of that i mean they're marxist and the the goal here is to bring capitalism to its knees and establish a communist state it's actually misanthropic too because what they what they call it the standpoint of epistemology right so africans have their own epistemology women have their own epistemology and so on right and uh and it's it's and the the beautiful thing about reason and is that we share a universal common moral identity in in reason right we all regardless of skin skin color and racial affiliation or ethnicity we share this common moral identity forged in the crucibles of reason and when you cancel reason and and racialize it uh it's a deeply misanthropic because what you have are com warfare competing different groups competing in their own epistemologies it's a very very missing throat it's not just divisive it's deeply misanthropic because it's a strike against humanity really that's a good point you know jason and bashar and i were discussing this last week you know the way the the left has created this boogeyman of white supremacy which is really a marginal force in in america and has been for you know for decades still around it's still dangerous and there's still murderers but it's it's dying has been since the heyday of the civil rights movement but they created the the boogeyman of white supremacy even to the extent that senator cory booker falcon felt as amy barrett when she was being confirmed if she would if she would condemn white supremacy you go what are you what are you thinking but that and then you know the attack on the capital instigated by antifa but these trump supporters idiotically let themselves get dragged and you created these these are these maga terrorists you know that they're going to riot in in all the cities or you know around you know around the country i'm thinking they want i think the left wants to see maga terrorists riot in cities all around the country they want a hundred or a thousand charlottesvilles from you know what year was that 2017 2018. uh where you have the clan and the american nazis battling the streets with antifrom black lives matter they want that you know because if something small happens they blow it up to the end of the world in proportions it's like uh the charlottesville one person died right terrible yes but they act like it was the end of the world and vice premiership was on the march that's how they acted january 6 the same thing the end of the world built a whole wall against a capital now there is 24 70 you know there are thousands of soldiers there it's just a pretense i mean that's all it is it's you know they're they're they're trying to again provoke it into reality they're trying to they're trying to as much as they can also one thing in terms of some of my friends also for years for the last decade they've been talking about the white supremacist threat the religious right thread it hasn't happened and it's like they they need to be right so therefore they're almost counting on it to happen because they because you know they put it on record 10 years ago so it has to happen and they're anticipating that as well not just left but even some objectivists some people on the right you know in terms of the white supremacists religious rights threats you know what i hear your budge yeah but let's be brutally honest here the left is a hell of a lot smarter than the conservatives and the white supremacists yes they are they have a whole philosophy behind them contegal and marx you know uh political revolutionary solo linsky they have a they have a plan you know and i and i do think they want to provoke thousands and thousands maybe even millions of of white americans to you know to rise up you know against this anti-white racism have riots that's part big part of the way hitler came to as the endless i mentioned it before the endless street violence you know which eventually people called for you know the authoritarian hand to suppress this you know to suppress the endless riots and then the communists and the nazis you know and the antifa mentality and the richard spencer all right mentality they could slug it out for power but either way you're gonna have a socialist regime whether it's communism or national socialism right and capitalism will be dead i think they want to provoke uh they want to i think what you said is true i think they want to provoke white supremacy it's almost dead in the country they want to yeah the leftists bring it back zombie you know yeah rebecca zombies and let's have endless street riots and then they can use it to their benefit which they they exploit every single thing that happens and they can do that they can do wonders about that you know if it does happen have a few more charlottesvilles you know and look at the white supremacists what am you know what a menace yeah and you know and we we need a strong hand to keep these bastards under control and then when there aren't any white supremacists then they say whiteness is evil you know and all whites are evil and all of those at them at the capitol do you have a hundred thousand a few hundred yeah and not just the whites but there's the multi multi-racial whiteness have you heard that jason multi-racial whiteness i've heard it you've probably been accused of it jason no because you know i'm equally condemnatory of all forms of collectivism whether it's white racist or anti for or black lives matter i tend to be very principled in my condemnation i do think that some groups pose more of an existential threat and like i said you know white supremacists are not teaching there are humanities and social science departments they are french right yeah yeah they're a highly marginalized community amongst 234 million white americans that you know there's they're very celebrated they're not celebrated like blm and you know yeah they're not and most most average americans are are good people who are contemplatory of white supremacists right but they're gonna make a comeback with this and you know i'm gonna make two predictions here they're gonna make a comeback with this endless you know as a reaction against this endless anti-white racism and two maybe the less obvious point the marxist left wants it to they want they want the conflict the riots though and even if it's just even if it's just a revolt of patriots they will call it vice premises right so it doesn't matter so they will call it they have to be suppressed don't they have the military on stand down to weed out extremists now yes i do for two months yes yeah extremists means republicans or you know people who don't accept who don't accept the leftist agenda they want to completely left this military if if it if it when those riots occur or those up white supremacist or conservative uprisings occur the military's not going to tell them to bleep off the military will fire they will follow orders you know wow wow sinclair lewis right it can happen here this is a heavy uh heavy episode i uh but i but i really enjoyed it and your insight has been great jason i really really appreciate it um yeah it's great it's great what i what i love most about you jason is not just your insights and your and how articulate you are but no holds now you're a moral condemnation of the bad guys you know it's so it's so refreshing prisoners i mean i come from a long line of communists and and my grandfather you know was put in detention camp by the british when my my my father was born so i mean i was and i was trained as a journalist before as a philosopher so i you know none of this niceness is uh i'm nice to my students because they're my subordinates but uh as a public intellectual and uh i think that you know there's too much niceness i think you know and and this this this calls for unity and it's just getting on my nerves like you know there's there's room for healthy divisiveness i don't want to be and totalitarians and and don't even get me started on islamic jihadists that are probably the second biggest existential talk about white supremacists i mean look at what they've done to europe you know and they're bringing sharia law slowly into this country people don't even want to talk i know bash you that you you know yeah you're a hero for me yes he is very very kind thank you you are a hero standing up to those questions yeah unsung here in that respect you haven't even got your jews really for for what those islamists are doing are still doing in this country surreptitiously um so um you know i think that you know there is room for divisiveness and this notion of unity is just a call for um collectivism and totalitarianism and yeah it's a mission it's a it's a call for compliance to a leftist agenda any any free society should have should have intellectual divisiveness should debate everything openly freely and may the best arguments win many arguments you know ugly people are always worried about letting let it get ugly it will get all that as long as it's verbal as long as exactly right yeah and jason you and i have taught logic for many years we know that in that case the arguments with the most evidence to support the conclusions will win amongst amongst rational human beings we should have the advice of this that's right um listen jason i want to really want to thank you for coming on the show this has been great and if there's anything you want to plug your your forthcoming book or your website or or any essays of yours just just you know feel free fire away oh well i just um my my recent book is was a love letter that i wrote to the american people called we have overcome an immigrant's letter to the american people because i got sick and tired of the american phobia that was you know being leveled against this country by people like tana he see cults and ibrahim candy and the people on the alt left so i wrote this book called we have overcome and it's sold really well and i hope people will buy that book and then my forthcoming book which is up on amazon for sale which is coming out and i don't remember sometime this year in the summer i think what do white people why white americans old black people racial justice in the age of post oppression uh in which i argue that you know the debt really has been or the right has the wrong has been righted and the 1964 civil rights basically um uh brought blacks within the domain of the ethical and gave them full legal standing people should really read that book as both inoculation against the reparations argument which i think is a an evil and a fairest argument uh so they can get both those books on amazon and uh it's been a pleasure i just enjoyed myself tremendously among your two outstanding intellects and people thank you uh thank you so much seriously it was uh it was fantastic thank you yeah thank you jason this was a this was a great episode i'd love to have you back on again i love your moral fire absolutely yeah all right all right everybody out there in freedom of speech land remember like the show share it subscribe to the youtube channel we're gonna you know we're gonna be on fire we're gonna you know we're gonna spread the word of your freedom of intellectual expression uh for as long as we as as long as we're drawing breath we're gonna be standing up for free speech that's for sure have a good night everybody we'll see you next week on truth in politics bonsoir