Ep. 005: The Truth About Climate Change

Climate change is overwhelmingly natural and only trivially man-made. Further, warming is good for life on Earth; it is the colder periods of Earth’s natural cycle that are pernicious. Additionally, CO2 is not a pollutant, it is plant food. Consequently, atmospheric levels of CO2 are too low, not too high.

On this episode, Andrew Bernstein and Bosch Fawstin provide the evidence to establish these claims.

Show Notes:
https://www.andrewbernstein.net/2018/10/the-truth-about-climate-change/

https://www.andrewbernstein.net/2019/11/further-truths-about-climate-change/

Transcript

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everybody out there in free speech land welcome to truth in politics i'm andrew bernstein as our co-host bosh fosten how you doing tonight bosh very good thank you how are you andrew uh-huh i'm ready to rock and roll we got us we got us a hot topic if i can yes i do that's right if i can play on words the issue of global warming the climate change issue and of course paul's big big policy matters depend on this the green new deal is uh is predicated on the idea that you know uh human cause warming is in is endangering the planet and so we need to vastly cut down co2 restrictions i mean we need to vastly cut down on our use of uh fossil fuels uh you know and cut down on the amount of of co2 experiment into the atmosphere regardless of how much harm that does to human life so we got we got major issues here to discuss uh our old friend bernie sanders and uh aoc you know the bernie sanders in my judgment his spirit now dominates the the left the democratic party an aoc according to tom perez the nc chair is the future of the democratic party and i unfortunately think that's true so we're going to be hearing a lot about the green new deal and you know and uh climate change we we've had for the past few years we're going to continue to at least at least that's what it looks like to me what do you think oh yeah and you know what uh when you say that bernie sanders does represent it for more than biden i mean biden again it's just a puppet it's a spirit of bernie sanders aoc they run it they run the show and that's why they're really in charge of of this presidency i mean that that spirit that left the spirit right that's what's really a show here right so you know i've uh i've um i was just looking at some get the chat get the chat going here uh so i you know i've published two essays on climate change in the last few years and they're up in the in the show notes on on youtube and by the way everybody right at the outset i want to encourage everybody to watch us on youtube gets the algorithm you know up uh subscribe to us on youtube like share you know all that all that good stuff so uh you know yo pl please do that because we're gonna expand the show and and discuss topics that are you know uh unpopular even like you know the election fought last last week and or discuss discuss topics that can be discussed but from like from a point of view that's you know that's very that's very controversial so critical but yeah and what they also so sorry i saw that well no andrew wrote these uh these great articles on uh you know on global warming climate change and i'm going to be basically just just just throwing some of the quotes that jumped out at me because i'm i'm not as versatile as he is i wouldn't be able to write that piece but i really enjoyed it i think it's a great primer on the issue and it's um it's worth uh just bouncing back and forth with you i think during the show we'll have some of the experts some some quotes you made some things that you wrote yourself and i'll make note of that also well thank you you bosh in a few weeks we're going to discuss islam and how israel is a menace to world civilization not islamic totalitarianism but you know religion and there's and their opposition will be reversed i'll be asking you know right asking you you questions uh about it and i can go on believe me i know i know you can but uh uh yeah you can go up on my website andrewbernstein.net the the two essays one the main one the truth about climate change and then two the follow-up essay further truths about climate change so so let's jump into the into the topic because this goes back to the late 1980s you know the when it was still called global warming at some point early in the 21st century the environmentalist changed the name to climate change from from global warming to climate change and i think there's a reason for that but first let's get let's get the claims here there's there's three there's big components to the to the claim about global warming one is that from the late 19th century to today roughly 150 years slightly or maybe slightly less uh that that the earth has warmed to that the the cause of it is the human uh emissions of carbon dioxide human industrialization and emission of carbon dioxide and three that uh the rising levels of carbon dioxide are pernicious they're harmful to life on earth i mean you know they cause the temperatures to rise uh cause the land-based polar ice caps to melt thereby flooding low-lying coastal regions so those are the three uh components put it simply one the earth has warmed two because of human industrialization and three uh this this is this is one this is dangerous this is dangerous to life on earth consequently we need to vastly reduce co2 emissions that's the that's the claim so we want to you know we want to discuss this and see which aspects of of of these claims uh are true if any which ones are false and i think we could say point number one the claim that the earth has warmed over the past 150 years so it's true i don't think anybody i don't think anybody doubts that the earth has warmed roughly 1.2 degrees celsius or something like 2.1 or 2.2 degrees fahrenheit somewhere in that range the earth has warmed slightly over the past 150 years and so 120 150 years and you know that that's definitely true but but that leaves us with questions you know questions two and three have human beings caused this and if not what has and three point number three is the warming bene pernicious to life on earth or is it beneficial and you know i've argued as you know in in my essays that point number two the claim uh that human beings have caused it is false right and and point number three that the you know the claim of of uh warming being harmful is false so before before you you jump in with with some questions or stuff bosh i just want to say this is the truth about climate change you know put put simply climate change is overwhelmingly not natural not man-made and warming is beneficial to life on earth not pernicious uh and that's the that's the point i've tried to prove you provide evidence for him in my essays on this and then we want to discuss that we want to discuss tonight so that's right i know you had some yeah i got some some more quotes from your article uh here's one um it's a it is often not appreciated that today's climate is just a geologically short warm spell in this continuing ice age and that was from climate scientist dr uh mcdougall i'm sorry i did get his first name uh yeah yeah okay and uh and he also added that for approximately the last what's called uh the scene the 50 million years the earth has been gradually cooling you know cooling so you know so let's say the warming you know if man is responsible for you know let's say the man is responsible for making earth a little warmer wouldn't that be a good thing also shouldn't it be should they you know congratulate men you know let me say you know a good job because we've been we've been cooling and cooling and cooling for you know so long now that you're getting a little warm great you know you know what yellow pascha you're right doug mcdougall's book he's a geology professor one of the you know one of the california universities it's dr dr doug mcdougall he's a geology professor of geology his book frozen earth i should i have it i should i i'm gonna i'm gonna like abandon the screen for just a second go get it go get it keep it keep it warm for us bosh i'll be right back i want to get doug mcdougall's book hold on a second i'm going to read another uh excerpt from andrew's article on climate change and uh one of them actually one of his articles he said the above data regarding the earth's swings between colder and warmer periods is sufficient to establish an important conclusion i think it says the a cyclical natural climate change has been a regularly recurring feature of the earth across both geologic and more recent times and you want to continue or just want me to yeah i just want to i want to um you know since the environmentalist and leftists control the intellectual culture that you know they don't they just spew out a lot of pseudoscience and i wanna for people who are interested i wanna point them to some books by real scientists that have evidence to support the conclusions this is frozen earth about you know the earth history of the earth ice age is by dr doug mcdougall who's a geology professor and it's very good i mean i i learned an enormous amount you know for uh from this book so what you were saying bosh is absolutely correct we're in the mid they don't tell us i remember you know taking the science classes in in high school and then in college or just you know watching cnn or reading the new york times nobody ever mentions we're in the midst of uh uh the earth is in the midst of an ice age the police have seen ice age for the last you know several million years and the right now we're in the midst of you know what they what they call the holocene uh inter-glacial war period for the last roughly the last 11 000 years or or so you know that but but the ice judging by the earth's history the ice is is going to return right 10 10 12 000 years ago uh dr mcdougall tells us you know and this is not controversial amongst geologists uh the the current areas that that in new york currently and montreal chicago were covered in ice you know a nice may you know hundreds of feet thick maybe thousands so yeah uh that's uh that's an important point but you know since i'm a i'm a philosopher you know i'm not a scientist i had to do an enormous amount of research to to write these essays i want i want to thank my my buddy paul swanders who's know objectivist i'm a scientist and really no scientific method and he's researched the global warming issue and he got i pestered him bosch i pestered him with quite peppered him with questions every day when i was writing he was again he gave me he turned me onto sources different books different websites gave me a lot of information so i want to thank paul saunders for all his help uh in this but one thing i know from epistemology from the objectivist epistemology that was useful to me here is go wide see the big picture right integrate you'll go as as wide as you can and you know that's what the environmentalists don't do on this issue and i think we should look at at some other it's some of the history that the uh uh the earth the earth is roughly 4.6 billion years old right psychology consequently it has a vast climate history i mean it has a vast climate history and we should look at that you're not just looking less hundred and fifteen there is there in the now they're all about the now the now the now the past doesn't matter that's it it's all about now to them at least yeah well the environmentalists are leftists and leonard pique off dr leonard picoff you know to me the world's greatest living philosopher points out that the the leftists try to disintegrate they want they want to narrow their scope they they don't they don't want to look at at the big picture and so you know that's what the environmental is doing this issue 150 years and the big picture hurts them you know it hurts their agenda because it it really uh it belies whatever they're telling us that's right about life on earth about history about everything about their about their ideas about the future even you know so it's just um you know absolutely oh absolutely let's just look at the recent history you know and go and go back we want one we want to integrate we want to see the big picture let's put this way we the 20th century continuing into our day is properly called the modern warm period right because it's because of one it did warm it's modern times the modern warm period but preceding the modern warm period is what is what's your scientist called the little ice age right roughly 1300 to 1800s yeah roughly uh where the where temperatures were were colder than than today sorry i mean to interrupt you but then in the 70s and 80s the coming ice age you know wasn't that it wasn't that one of the things that they pushed and then they they they quickly put that aside and said no no if now you know right yeah yeah the the um the earth generally warmed during the 20th century but there was you know warmed in the early 20th century that you know the earth cycles nature cycles and there's cycles within cycles and from although the earth generally warmed in the 20th century from roughly 1940 to 1975 there was a cooling trend by 1970 you know the the leftist media and scientists were in an uproar about the coming ice age and in my second climate change essay the you know further truths about climate change and a whole bunch of quotes from time newsweek the new york times the boston globe the washington post the guardian you know quoting scientists that there was an unstoppable ice age coming and then you know by roughly 1980 the earth started to warm again so and then and then the hysteria about warming off the the previous hysteria about by the same people yeah yeah same people right by the same people but let's go back because we want to see what if if we place the modern war period in its historical context i think we we we get a lot of you know we get a lot of information there's a little ice age preceded you know the modern warfare prior to the little ice states was you know what scientists called the medieval warm period you know roughly you know 900 a.d the 1300 a.d and we have a lot of proxy data to show that the medieval warm period was as warm as the modern warm period maybe even warmer that's when the north were able to settle greenland they even thought to name it greenland because they could grow crops you know there which i don't think can be i don't think you can grow crops in greenland today certainly could have done the little ice age that followed it that crushed the north uh north settlements the english were growing grapes and making wine you know up in the in the northern part of england the the temperatures uh in the in the north atlantic and and in europe were probably slightly warmer than in the modern warm period prior to the to the medieval one period was is what's known as the dark age cold period which left several hundred years you know of of of colder climate prior to that was what's not during you know roughly 2 000 years ago when jesus was alive was known as the roman war period where the temperatures here let me let me get one let me get one of my books here this is uh dr tim ball canadian climate scientist human cause global warming the biggest deception in history dr ball uh calls it right and dr ball points out he's a he's an an expert in paleoclimatology you know reconstructing the temperature records of the past he tells us the roman war period was warmer than the medieval or the the modern war period preceding that was an unnamed cold period and then going back you know roughly you know 1500 bc you're like three thousand to thirty five hundred years ago was the minoan warm period and dr ball points out the minol and warm period was substantially warmer than the modern warm period so just looking at like the last boss just looking at like the last you know three to four thousand years the war the warmer periods of earth's natural cycle have gotten progressively cooler right yeah the knowing warm period was warmer than the roman war period the roman one period was warmer than the medieval one period the medieval one perry slightly warmer than the modern war period so you know when you when you when you put this in the historical context you you start to scratch your head regarding the hysterias and what's the hysteria you know about regarding this two degree fahrenheit rise in temperature exactly where i mean they i mean things are going to happen as they happen nature is what it is but they're just trying to say well we have to uh we somehow have to make that an issue that it's man's fault somehow some way i mean you know the climate will change nature is what it is as i said and these people just want to pin it on man somehow because and again exaggerate it till no end exaggerate to to the point of not even acknowledging the history i mean everything you wrote in this i gotta say i've not read this elsewhere i haven't i know i know you've read up on the books i really haven't uh done my homework on it to be blunt i haven't i don't i always just saw it as a as a boondoggle by the left to try to which it is it is i mean it it really is but you know without observing the reality that nature is what it is it is a it could be destructive you know hopefully oh yes and man isn't but they're just trying to make that like this is a man-made issue this is a man-made you know climate change global warming and it's man's fault and we have to really control man because he's messing things up here and that's just to me that that was the gist of the whole thing and again uh i think in the 80s they had captain planet remember that character yeah he was just he was trying to they were trying to brainwash these kids you know yeah and they still up oh yeah and they still i think he's making a comeback also can't play it at some point well you know i can remember 19 1988 jim hansen of nasa when he's you know he started he's the first guy i remember who initiated the you know the global warming hysteria in fact he said the west side highway in new york city was going to be underwater because of you know the the the melting ice caps i don't remember what year he claimed by 2000 or 2005 or something like that the west side highway was going to be completely inundated well of course that's just nonsense the date has long come and gone and what's called on the carpet like in some public venues he has not he does not repent he's still you know the environmentalists it was was you with somebody else who said to me you know being a leftist means you never have to say you're sorry um war has made these extravagant yeah and where are they nowhere yeah no exactly this exactly but um back up in 1988 so you know man-made warming was dangerous the polar ice caps were going to melt the low-lying coal cells will flood i remember thinking even i was i was i was young there but one i remembered what you pointed out before i remembered the global cooling scary just 15 10 15 years before that and two i didn't know anything about geology but but i know i knew that there were ice ages and the ice ages went way back millions and millions years ago long before human beings ever existed never mind industrialized which is a late 18th century development i said well what caused the ice age is when the temperatures like dropped precipitously and what caught the what caused the end of ice ages when the temperatures rose dramatically there were no human beings certainly no industrialization some natural force was responsible for that so i was skeptical about this from the start uh he started researching it you know like i said my you know my good buddy paul saunders really knows scientific method he's done a lot of researching he's he you know he pointed me to a lot of books um on this but the the advantage i had was knowing the objectivist epistemology and knowing we need to see the big picture we need to integrate let's go broad yeah and so you know i was doing the research in in geology and you know i found out that what you said before bosch that the over the last you know remember the earth is 4.5 or 4.6 billion years old and over the last 50 million years the earth has been evidently has been significantly cooler than it has been throughout most of its vast 4.6 billion year history uh the earth was generally warm and it wasn't my surprise was al would al gore say something about unprecedented warming okay when you look at the big picture it's hilarious it's unprecedented warming the earth was so warm you know at times in the past that trop your fossils of tropical fauna and flora have been found north of the arctic circle this is how much warmer the earth was back then and crocodiles lived i might get this stuff up crocodiles you know in the arctic region if the left can't exploit it i mean who are they i mean if they can't exploit it who are they i mean that's that's what they do they exploit every little thing and again to control men i mean that's it it's like yeah man-made climate change why in order to go after man i mean that's why they it's like you're guilty and you gotta be put in and again it will affect our lives in drastic ways i mean they really want to control it and just use this this is their latest way to to shove the totalitarianism down down absolutely right not about science it's about communism it's about the socialism it's about totalitarianism and that's why i do appreciate that you do the hormone because it should debunk everything that they say about it but when it doesn't you realize well that's exactly why because it's not about the science it's not about it it's really not but if we can reach innocent people who care about evidence yeah you know care about you know facts and care about you know logical thinking based on the facts that we know that we can when we could you know change hearts and minds you know your model minds in this case by the way bosh and everybody out there in free speech i got a great story for you so anyone you know the year i spent about gary a few years ago i mentioned his name because he's a great guy one of my buddies uh arthur pantalitis from boston you know um he's a business professor at american university in bulgaria i was writing this essay you know and i was telling him about this and he said to me he said to me because he's from boston he said to me i'm glad it got colder he said i don't want to walk down the streets of boston and have crocodiles yeah i know if you like living in florida you know you work you hit anywhere near water and you got to watch out for the gators but but anyhow um so the so the earth the earth cooled over the last you know 50 million years and you know and dr mcdougall the geologist tells us that you know the ice you know ice glaciation occurred in antarctica roughly 30 to 35 million years ago later in the arctic region and let you know after that the police to see an ice age um you know please to see an ice age was was initiated but he said you know he really you know you read mcdougal's book frozen earth he makes a really good point the earth has been much colder over the past few million years than it has been throughout most of its 4.6 billion year history and in fact he says uh the earth the earth was so warm throughout much of its history that there were no glaciers like the one on he me he mentions the one on our kilimanjaro no and i i thought no i wrote in the modules no glaciers does that mean throughout much of the earth's history it was too warm for these you know these accumulate extensive accumulations of ice no glaciers i i guess that's that's what it means so yeah right so i mean you know you see the the earth go back through geological time and you see the ice age is going you know millions a year tens of millions you guys go hundreds of millions of years ago and then the earth warms and then you know you get another ice age and stuff you realize climate change is very real you have to affirm climate change and it was here millions of years before man i mean you know to the point where it's just it's just good i mean again i gotta say because you you did the hard work you actually did the research you wrote this out and it should make some leftists it should but we know why they do what they do but it should have them challenge you at least i mean have you gotten a leptis whoever challenged you about about your articles on this have they no no no in fact i tried when i was teaching full-time at marist college back in 2005 i tried to set up you know a talk on this or a debate you know with with my buddy paul saunders and i paul certainly agreed and the environmental i won't mention any names of the environmental science people complained to the dean that you know if we gave a paul and i gave a talk on the myth of man-made global warming it would embarrass marist college and they they didn't they fought against it so that the dean evidently agreed with him and they they they didn't allow us to set up the talk uh but think about how wrong that is at so many at so many levels because if we were wrong about this if anybody would be embarrassed it would be us you know it'd be possible to love it wouldn't they love to do that yeah i mean they would love that they would think they would get off on it yeah but yeah right and maybe the deeper point here is uh there's higher education is supposed to be open to you know to debate and you know you yeah challenge the orthodoxy right it's not this is not the medieval church no maybe it is it's not supposed to be no and you've been you've been around the uh the uh the the schools for decades i mean the college is right right right i mean it must be getting worse i mean it is getting worse because you can get fired now you get cancelled for you know for rejecting man-made global warming but but what it should be is and i said to the dean you know 15 16 years ago i said higher education is supposed to be about the open discussion and debate of all ideas this is how this is how you know in the in the joust of ideas we see which side has more evidence to support their conclusion who can who can you know establish that conclusion and you know and the students should be exposed to to all sides of the of the argument but they they don't know they wouldn't permit the talk they don't they want to debate al gore's al gore has been saying for many years it's too late you know and how how did they tell you just just like curiosity how did they tell you that we're not gonna have the debate because they said you would embarrass yeah they said it wouldn't be the environmental science people again i won't mention anybody's names they said it would embarrass marist college how could embarrass it if they're right and you guys are wrong i mean right yeah right right if we presented false ideas if anybody would be embarrassed would be us and if it was in a debate the environmental science people should be able to refute the service if that was their if they had the truth on their side yeah right right this is why you know our good friend alex epstein you know wednesday i think he has a standing hundred thousand dollar offer to debate out al gore on this title because his money's safe gore won't debate he says he says it's too late for debate we have to take action but the truth is if if catastrophe was that imminent and you know and then pending we need the debate it becomes all the more urgent because we have to take this as i said exactly right if it's as devastating as i say then let's have it all out let's hash it over and do it today have the debate today because we need to take action to avert catastrophe we have to take the right action and we need to know what the truth is but they won't debate that tells us something it does it does and again they they haven't done the work al gore i mean he he's become a what multi multi-millionaire because of this thing i mean he's made movies but he's been out there but he's been pretty quiet though if you notice also have you seen him or heard from him no i don't know what happened to al gore i don't miss him but no not at all but he was out there for a while well he's got he's got bernie sanders and aoc to pick up the you know pick up the right watch now on on this issue the green budget all that yeah exactly exactly so we need to affirm climate change natural climate change that's there's a first conclusion i think we we could try here is that the is that there is at all yes yes it is happening it has happened yet but what are the how and why i mean yeah exactly exactly there is a natural climate change cycle that's rationally undeniable the ipcc itself your intergovernmental panel on climate change the u.n body of so-called scientists who've been promoting the man-made you know the agw the anthropogenic global warming or man-made global warming theory they've been promoting that for 30 years now the ipcc itself acknowledges that you know climate change is on all time scales and that's true it does so one point we need to identify is then like you said bosh what's the cause of the natural climate change cycle because therefore we can ask the question once we know the cause of the natural climate change cycle then we can raise the question is the modern warmth period simply another continuation of that natural cycle or issue is human act human activities the you know the cause or some mixed or some mixture or two but we can't understand the modern warm period independent of this vast context of natural climate change right it's just not possible they bring them also you put up the uh the uh the uh the sun in there and it does play a part oh yeah sometimes some of the signs we're talking about that and how the earth it doesn't go in an exact circle it goes in some somewhat of an ellipse and sometimes it just i forgot you know what i want to get to that part actually are you talking about the milankovitch cycles that caused the ice ages right right yeah oh yeah yeah yeah that's the that's the leading theory today you know that's that it's astrophysical factors that that have caused the the the ice ages the relationship of the earth to the sun you know and and and everything that's that's widely accepted uh today also they project in the future in like 30 to 40 years they anticipate some real cooling going on some serious cooling i mean oh yeah do some scientists talk about that also at one point in your article uh yeah abdusamatov the russian uh yeah uzbekistan who's a leading russian astrophysicist studying the the uh sun climate connection but we'll get there yes i think right now what we should we should look at bosch as well what is the argument for the agw hypothesis what's the argument for man-made warming and there's really two factors here one is the greenhouse effect that you know uh carbon dioxide in in the atmosphere greenhouse gases can uh you know can raise can raise the temperature can trap heat there is a there is a greenhouse effect it's real it's a physical mechanism that's established and two there has been a rough correlation very rough as we'll we'll see between rising co2 levels in our era and rising temperatures there there is a very rough correlation so there's the that's that's the the bulk of the argument the actual physical mechanism of the greenhouse effect and then to the the rough correlation between rising levels of co2 in the atmosphere and and you know slightly rising temperatures but there's so many problems with this theory that uh we we'd be here all night if we if we if we dawdle we better we better move on one one problem here is that the timing is way off and here's uh here's another book that i recommend for anybody who wants to know about global warming yeah anybody wants to to know the the truth about this this unstoppable global warming uh the lead author here is dr fred singer who's a leading climate scientist he died you know a year or two ago in his mid-90s uh he was 94 or or 195 um and he's uh you know extremely knowledgeable climate scientist i think he was i think he's got phd in physics from princeton uh you're very very very knowledgeable guy and and i learned i learned an enormous amount about climate change from from this book unstoppable global warming which i think was published in 2004. start you know fred singer you know i strongly recommend it but singer points out the timing is off because most of the warming most of the warming of the modern warm period occurs in the early 20th century before widespread human industrialization right then if in the post-war industrial boom when human beings are spewing a lot more uh carbon dioxide into the atmosphere the earth cooled right you know that cooling period from roughly 1940 to 1975 that triggered the mini hysteria you referred to before about an impending united states age right right and then uh there's really three periods here there's the warming from roughly you know 1900 to 1940 the cooling from roughly 1940 to 1975 and then the warming again from roughly you know 1980 to 20 to 2020 but the warming of the past 40 years has not has not matched has not even come close to matching the predictions right of the you know based on computer models it hasn't hasn't worn nearly as much as it was supposed to be all exaggerated always yeah always yep yeah though the warming has been very slight over the over the last 20 years or so it's been so slight it's it it's virtually you know it's virtually nil um i'm trying to remember the uh the warming trend uh in the in the in the late 20th century was slightly less than one tenth of a degree celsius per decade so it's a very gentle you know warming trend based on satellite measurements which are the most accurate that we have not the precipitous upward climb that the computer models used by the ipcc uh predict they just that the the gw theory is just any predictions they make on it are always false and always exaggerate the warming never underestimate the warming always over us always exactly always exaggerated always arrest me because again is the agenda they say it will be is it it's so warm that we have to do something to save the world yeah while they do it i mean that's why they just keep it up when it was a aoc a few years ago who said we have 12 years to save the planet yes 10 right 10 or 9. yeah right and now john kerry nine years nine nine years he just said uh i think a week or two ago nine years yeah it's it's complete nonsense it's absolute it's possible yeah exactly yeah exactly i got worse news for the for the agw supporters even even than this we know you know from analysis of the vostok ice cores from antarctica that warming precedes carbon dioxide rising not vice versa historically for thousands and thousands years gone back in into the past first the earth warms then carbon dioxide levels rise not vice versa and we need to we need to explain that well you know we'll get to that when we when we look at the you know a little while the actual causes of uh climate change but that's important you know that that warming proceeds uh temperature rise precedes uh rise of co2 levels that's astonishing to people who've been brainwashed all these years about the you know the the you know the that global warming is caused by co2 right remember al gore in in his movie standing before that graph showing showing the the correlation between uh co2 rising and temperature rising well he's right there is that correlation the problem is he's got the causation reversed he's got co2 rising co2 levels causing rising your temperatures where the the the the vostok ice cores show us the exact opposite so rising temperatures cause rising co2 levels so we need to explain that we will yeah and one thing also just just one almost aside like the authors that you read here the books that you're showing uh are these i mean these individuals they they have gone against the grain i mean they're but they're actually they're serious thinkers they're serious people in this issue have they been dismissed over the years i mean they got their books published i guess they have some kind of credibility that they want but do are they allowed to go out there and debate you know or were they able to at least well i i think the answer to that question is most people never heard of them right so you know fred singer's book which is outstanding on you know you know you're always judged by the evidence you know i taught logic for 40 years look for the evidence uh you got a ton of evidence you know who published it is roman littlefield it's an academic publisher it's not you know simon schuster knopf random house was he invited on television was he invited to debate these people like uh i mean if we go on youtube i'm sure you could find okay fred singer from the you know for the uh the talks he gave at the heartland institute um you know but um yo no he's not you know you know al gore as you know greta thornberg as you know these are the great experts yeah yeah bernie sanders you know as you know these people yeah aoc yeah these people will get you know all the exposure they'll be on cgn and stuff but fred singer who's uh uh expert on client climate change patrick michaels richard lindsen from uh mit i never said i've never seen them on you know on main cbs news or writing in the new york sunday magazine section but it's so obvious what's being done you know you got these actual scientists who who take this seriously who commit their lives to it who tell the truth about it and then they're dismissed for you know these yeah uh media just ignores it's like they don't exist yeah i see like in the washington post you know in the new york times so they'll say things like uh unbelievably there were still people around who denied climate change like it was still 1990 or something and they don't mention fred singer or patrick michaels or richard lindsen world-class climate scientists who give evidence as to why climate change is a natural not a man-made process they don't give any evidence they just ignore they ignore the experts and they ignore the evidence that the experts present and imagine the frustration with these individuals like uh these uh the scientists i mean honestly must be like they they see these people going out there and they see them just peddling it for for pure political reasons and they're just not allowed to get their voice out there in any kind of like a serious way i mean he's never allowed to go there and try to teach the thunder girl i mean give her a little lesson just just one-on-one lesson about an hour on some kind of debate or tv whatever but she's just there she's just she's she's just a puppet i drew as a puppet for a article yeah that poor kid has been so brainwashed by the environmentalists he's just riddled with anxiety and it's over nothing she should have played this entire thing just yeah you know being brainwashed that she's being brainwashed absolutely and by the way bash and everybody out there in free speech oh i should say you know uh you know watch us on youtube you know we want to get the algorithm built up sure no subscribe subscribe to us on youtube if you want to hear you know the truth about these political issues that the the lion leftist media won't you know won't tell you about the life you know yeah left this media that's just the way i think of it yeah if anybody you know has been you know indoctrinated by the you know the 97 canard you know that 97 percent of climate scientists claim that you know warming is man-made or even 97 of all scientists believe that here's the best single book that i would recommend the deniers by lawrence solomon this is a great book solomon i give solomon a lot of credit he's a canadian environmental journalist i remember correctly it's been a while i think his book was published in 2008 but if i remember correctly i'm trying to get it[Music] if i remember correctly solomon uh was is against nuclear power which you know is a mistake and i think he i think he credits the agw hypothesis but i give him all the credit in the world because he recognizes science is not done by consensus first of all there is no 97 percent that points out and second of all even if 97 of the scientists did agree on x no it doesn't matter you know 97 percent disagreed with galileo you know and disagree with darwin and disagree with pastor they were wrong right you know science isn't done by consensus it's done by evidence the deniers is a great book he interviews and i mean dozens bosh dozens of leading scientists who are experts in the in in climate science or in cognate disciplines former lead reviewers for the ipcc who reject uh any number of aspects of the agw hypothesis it just shatters the 97 percent canard you know we admit that he basically he he allowed their voice to be heard even though he probably disagreed with him so that shows that the guy has some integrity at least absolutely absolutely he recognizes science indeed all rational cognition is done by evidence not by consensus and let's get the let's get the deniers out there let's get the you know the agw skeptics out there now of course whoever heard of this book go back to your earlier questions cnn oh cnn doesn't talk about it you know the did the washington post or the new york times review it in their book review section i'm not sure but i you know i doubt it would have been very prominent or well received if they did right great book excellent great book so uh uh here i got another devastating uh point against the agw hypothesis that just popped my eyeballs when i found this out this is in my second climate change i say further truths about climate change that 95 get this 95 of co2 spewed into the atmosphere annually comes from natural not man-made sources oh okay okay wow and that's that's from dr roy spencer and roy spencer you know who's got who's got a phd in meteorology from the university of wisconsin was uh i know his name is heavily decorated nasa scientists his partner dr john christie ran the the satellite program to measure the earth the temperature of earth's atmosphere he's an expert he's an expert in this 95 percent he says of uh of the other repeat that 95 of co2 emissions annually are from natural sources not man-made sources and but so by the way i mentioned here before you know dr tim ball his book human cause global warming i love the subtitle yes biggest deception in history that's right tim ball's 80 year old canadian climate scientist and let me tell you he's not joe biden he's not stumbling around for his words if you see timothy his name you know his name fits uh sorry but yes i don't want to get it anyway yeah he's got a he's got a pair let's just say yes yeah yes he yes he does but tim balsa who's you know an expert in paleoclimatology and reconstructing earth's temperature records of the past tim ball says slightly more than 96 percent of the co2 emissions are are natural and we'll see again again i want to see where that's from you know where how and how and why that that works furthermore these guys were very popular for saying that right i'm joking oh yeah sure yeah yeah tim ball's real popular he's got a lawsuit against michael mann you know of the hockey stick yeah right i i think he and tim ball have lawsuits against each other uh but one has a lawsuit against the other i can't remember which is which by the way i i have mark stein's book uh a disgrace to the profession uh i don't know i love the book no i don't know about that is that uh about uh man yes okay yes it's about michael mann's you know the some of the leading scientists about michael mann in their own words uh and uh that that provocative title of disgrace to the profession comes from dr hendrick tenecus a dutch uh a dutch scientist who because man uh manipulated the data wouldn't share his when it wouldn't share his methods with other scientists see if they could replicate it you know he he he verbally abuses uh his critics and he claims you know that there was no basically no medieval war period and no no little ice age that the temperatures for a thousand years were roughly flat and then 1900 they shoot up hence the hockey stick shape of the graph due to human emission yeah it was all man-made compared to men it was mad yeah it's it's a it's a fraud you know it's it's a it's a fraud uh hence the lawsuits that are going on but here okay there's another problem with the agw hypothesis and that is we can we can remember our high school chemistry you know what's the earth's atmosphere composed of i remember my high school chemistry 78 nitrogen right 21 oxygen there's 99 percent and the co2 is it's infinitesimal yeah there's there's a bunch of trace gases bosh i can't even remember how many there are 8 10 12. as co2 is a trace gas right and today co2 levels are roughly 420 parts per million something like that let's keep the arithmetic simple let's go 400 parts per million 400 parts per million that means and ninety nine thousand six hundred parts per million of the earth's atmosphere are not carbon dioxide right you know on nitrogen oxygen and it's ridiculous it's a trace gas it doesn't have that kind of presence or power you're exactly right to promote the kind of devastation that you know al gore says it's it's it's going to it's been vilified i mean the co2 that's the danger that's yes exactly yeah and co2 they call it a pollutant now that's right dr patrick moore who's got a phd in what they used to call ecology today they call environmental science and as a former head of greenpeace international so you know that's just a that's just a uh he says that's just a complete abuse of science in reality co2 is plant food plants need co2 hence in greenhouses what do they raise the co2 levels to like 1200 or something parts per million like 300 times three times what it is you know today and the plants flourish well you know tim ball raised the question nicely how could plants have evolved to flourish at uh 1200 parts per million of co2 if anything over 300 or 400 is devastating to the planet right it couldn't have happened the the evolution you know of plants which are the you know the basis of the food chain it it couldn't have happened oh by the way i said there's another data point i just throwing out data points here no particular order there's global warming on mars right right again we're gonna you know we're gonna come we're gonna come back sorry how many humans are on there yeah well martial well we just landed a probe on mars we'll see if we can find any intelligent life that's coming out carbon dioxide while they're driving their suvs they go after them you just you know yeah little bastards they're gonna wreck the you know the the environment on mars exactly one one last day to point forward get you know that's just throwing out pieces of information that's true and devastating to the agw hypothesis during the auto vision ice age which is roughly 440 million years ago co2 levels were 10 times higher at least maybe more at least 10 times higher than they are today and the earth was in the midst of a deep glaciation was in the midst of an ice age now how is that possible right you know if if uh 400 parts per million or 500 parts per million is going to cause the polar ice caps to melt how is it possible to have co2 levels of 4 000 parts per million ice age well obviously it's something wrong oops something wrong with the theater so the theory is wrong it's just filled with holes so you know so i think we need to raise the question well what does cause climate change and you know there's uh there's a number of natural factors but the the sun isn't the sun not surprisingly is a major play yeah and leading astrophysicists study the sun climate connection uh abubalo abdusamatov who i mentioned before from uzbekistan was also i think in his 80s now and ran the space laboratory program in russia for many years maybe still does but anyway he's a he's one of the he's a world-class astrophysicist studying the the sun climate connection you know and you know he points out and we've known this for centuries scientists astrophysicists have known for centuries the sun cycles you know the sunspot cycle and there are there are different cycles there are times when the sun gives off more radiation times it gives off less and that's you know that's a a a critical part of the component and during you know the late 20th century the sun was at it was at the high point of its of its cycle which is not surprising but he's this this answers a lot of questions because as as abdusamatov points out like rising tsi or total solar irradiance you know increased amount of solar irradiance reaching the earth warms earth's oceans and we've known for many years that the oceans contain 50 times as much co2 as the atmosphere does right as the earth's oceans warm through the process of evaporation your water is water is evaporated into the atmosphere and as as dr abdul samantha points out this releases enormous i think was the adjective he uses enormous amounts of co2 into the atmosphere this is a big part of the reason why 90 the 95 95 or more of the co2 uh emitted into the atmosphere annually comes from natural sources the ocean is a is a huge one i think you know decomposing vegetative matter is another huge one because carbon is the basis of all life and you know if they have trees or plants in the jungles or the forests die it decomposes again it gives off enormous amounts of co2 but the rising tsi uh rising total solar radiance warming the oceans through the process of evaporation gives off enormous amounts immense amounts of co2 into the atmosphere and that helps explain why warming occurs before rising co2 levels right you heat up the oceans and you'll get it 50 times you know when you do all the research it starts to make sense 50 the oceans contain 50 times as much co2 as the atmosphere does so uh this the the sun the cycles of the sun are an enormously important factor and by the way bush i got to tell you i'm not going to mention names again because i want to embarrass anybody environmental science people marist college i'm having this discussion with them 15 years ago i mentioned some of these leading astrophysicists henrik svensmark abdusamatov i'm a philosopher i heard of your site did you never heard these guys but the you know the astrophysicist studying the sun climate connection the chairman of the environmental science department said to me i swear this i didn't make this up quote the sun has nothing to do with it uncle but i said what the sun has nothing to do with warming you know with with exactly exactly human emission of course human emissions of carbon dioxide warms the earth not the sun silly me you know i should have i should have known that it gives them no benefit if they blame the sun i mean if they at least hold us unresponsible so that's why they want to hold humans responsibly i mean it's like would that do it would that do anything for us if we actually recognize that the sun does do that well no so therefore let's just keep blaming man i mean really that's what it comes down to you know yeah sorry everyone listening and andrew thanks for uh you know taking a hit on this episode because i i gotta say you're far more knowledgeable about this than i am and i i really appreciate it because i'm i think you're i think you're teaching us a lot about this just this one single episode so thank you well well well thank you for that question you know and and you're welcome uh this issue fascinated me so i've done a lot of research like i said i had a good i you know i had my buddy paul saunders is you know i think i regard as an expert on this he gave me a lot of help on this and you know and i've you know and i'm i'm glad to i mean i'm a teacher so i'm glad you know i'm glad to help you know educate people with with sanity and rationality so okay so speaking of my buddy paul saunders 2006 here's a do i have that book here with me yeah it's another here's another fascinating book uh the chilling stars a new theory of climate change by hendricks fensmark and the science writer nigel calder hendrix fensmark is a danish astrophysicist again world-class astrophysicist studying the sun climate connection and spensmark is a fascinating discovery because it involves cosmic rays and uh it's interesting because evidently prior to this is i think spence mark's book was published 2006 everybody knew that your cloud cover you know on a cloudy day it tends to be cooler right and then you know like you know if there's no clouds and the sun's beating down on you it tends to be harder the clouds cover the sun your tends to be cool so it's an inhibiting factor but nobody evidently nobody knew where clouds came from well svensmark established that it's cosmic rays passing through the atmosphere that ionized water molecules of the atmosphere that established clouds and he actually showed the physical mechanism in the laboratory he created clouds he and his team created clouds you know in the in the laboratory but the the interesting thing about this is see if it's complicated but it's fascinating too that when the sun's at the high point of its cycle you so you have more a tsi the tsi reaching the earth is higher which accounts for a little bit increase in warming but at the same time its magnetic shield is stronger and consequently fewer cosmic rays can pass through it and reach the earth which means less clout fewer clouds which means which means more sunlight reaching the earth which also contributes to your rising temperatures right conversely when when the sun's at the low point of its cycle it one you not only have uh diminished tsi diminish your total solar irradiance reaching the earth which means it's going to cool but two the the sun's magnetic shield is weaker which means more cosmic rays reach the earth's surface which ionize more clouds which means more cloud cover inhibiting uh your median again it's going to be cooler right so there's two factors there and the cosmic ray factor sven's mark established depends on the sun so the the sun is the major player here but the cosmic rays are contributing are a contributing factor it's fascinating it's climate climate science is so complicated there's so many factors that go into it it's absolutely fatuous to think that there's only one factor involved in climate change and a relatively minor one at that right exactly right it's politics i mean that's really what it is yeah by the way can you uh show the book by dr thuneberg i think you have a book by dr greta thunderbird i i see you joking no you know isn't she an expert on this you know what you reminded me of bosh i was where was oh you're talking about leftist that's right when i first published the the major essay you know the truth about climate change and a lot of people on facebook you know i posted it i linked to it a lot of people shared it somebody i was looking through the other people's feeds and the comments you know when some somebody commented why would i take a philosopher seriously on climate change so i so i responded to her i spotted her and i said well you know i know as much about climate change as al gore you know al gore's got a bachelor's degree in government from harvard but you know i mean you know more than him that you you also know more than of course doomberg i mean she's a little girl and she's you know right poor brainwashed kid absolutely is yeah i feel for her i feel i'll go i'll go as evil oh that but granted thornburg's just a kid who's been brainwashed by usual people and she's her life is filled with anxiety now she is a victim and she's a sad person too it's like yeah her whole childhood has been raw for her because she's worried about the earth you'll burn into a crisp and she's going to be dead you know at age 30 or 40 or whatever if someone could just hand her just look over look around just hand her fountain head hand her atlas rug and say hey greta do some reading here and then and then maybe you might say something worthwhile you know because that would be something wouldn't it if she read the fact that i was shrugged and rant well you know there's that german kid i think her name is naomi syped uh but i think it's s-e-i-b-t naomi psych whose red iron rand uh mentions ayn rand and who's very good on this issue understands that climate change is not you know caused by man as is not destructive now you can find her on youtube naomi's site but you know she doesn't get the public you know going back to your point before she's not going to be on cnn or she's not going to speak before the united nations you know she's not going to speak at the paris climate accords you know she's a problem you know right right now let me make one last point uh we talk about the natural factors that that contribute to climate change there's vast complexity of factors there's also the oscillations of the of the ocean currents because uh we know today that the ocean current skill they they they oscillate or they they swing back and forth between warm with the warmer cycles and and their cold cycles and during the during the warm cycles which by the way the pacific decadal oscillation in the late 1980s was in its warm cycle contributing to several degrees rise in temperature in the northern pacific which is what the satellites picked up on showing the rising temperatures but again has it has little or nothing to do with co2 levels in the atmosphere it has to do with natural oscillations of the of the earth's ocean currents in this case the the pacific so these are three major natural factors promoting climate change the you know the the cycles of the sun in its emission of radiation the impact that has on cosmic rays striking the earth and causing causing cloud cover or not and in three the oscillations of earth's ocean currents these are three natural factors every one of them more significant in promoting climate change than uh a co2 is including the 95 percent that's caused by nature not not pious you see yeah it's it's co2 levels are largely an effect of uh you know rising co2 levels are largely an effect of uh you know of global warming but to the extent that the the the um to the extent that the greenhouse effect is real and actually you know it uh adds to a warming trend the human contribution is trivial it's five percent at most 95 at least is is natural so the human contribution the the the uh co2 right co2 levels are a minor aspect of warming in the first place and then the human contribution to it is trivial so i think that's why we could say accurately that uh you know climate change is overwhelmingly natural only trivially man-made and we haven't gotten to the to the other other point about you know my claim that warming is beneficial to life on earth and uh cooling is harmful we could get to that yep but i think we've offered a lot of evidence here i think climate change is natural and again thank you uh truly i just been sitting back and just uh enjoying it so thank you welcome i do appreciate it you're welcome and everybody i uh here's a question from bonnie birchner how do you respond to people who won't acknowledge the evidence if their motivations man is bad what can change that um you know you know bonnie that's a good question but how do you respond to people who won't acknowledge the evidence if if if somebody you know that's the we've all known people you know probably will say something like don't bother me with facts my mind is made up right well if they if they're telling the truth about that you you can't reach them with evidence you know you you can eat if this person is really important to you you could keep trying uh if the person is not particularly important in your life i would just i would just walk away that you can't reach somebody who's you can't reach somebody reason is our instrument and you can't reach somebody who's not open to reason no that's impossible yeah and uh you know the number 97 right 97 how many of those who who blame men for global warming and climate change are leftists are they 97 or are they 100 percent obviously no that's a good person yeah that's an interesting point i've known very few supporters of capitalism in my entire life who who credit the agw hypothesis they're almost all socialists right and it's it's you can see the motivation here you know you know ca you know privately on privately owned industries are destroying the planet they need to be reined in by the government it's the back door into socialism absolutely right yeah absolutely right used but um yeah oh yeah absolutely but going back to bonnie's question um the the one exception you know is like i i've done a lot of talks on college campuses you get some crank in the q a who might be abusive and you know you're not going to be able to reach this person but there's 85 other people in the audience and if i reason with this person i might be able to reach you know i might be able to meet some of the some of the other people right so but somebody really is if somebody really is closed off to the evidence you it's it's impossible to reach them they they have to open the you know you or i can't reach into somebody else's mind that turn that switch so you're going to reason here and consider the evidence we can't do it they have to turn the switch themselves some people think they can i mean they really do i mean they they think they're super human in their ability to no i mean some people truly you got to let them go i mean you just have to yeah you know yeah if somebody's not open to evidence it means they're not open the reason how how are we going to convince them no you can't you just hope they just hope that they change their mind yeah there are people who are open to it and those are the ones that you focus on i mean yeah and by the way i want to be fair here there's a lot of you know rank-and-file democrats who vote democrat who aren't irrational they're not not crazed the way bernie sanders is and can be reasoned with you know there's some of them who may you know think that agw is you know is destroying the planet the way you know bernie sanders and aoc say but when you when you give them the evidence that they're open to it so there are there are people you know who are you know and um old left types who are intellectual rather than the new left types who prefer to burn down you know right cancer culture tear down statues of thomas jefferson and think they're doing something virtuous and they're not open to argument or reason but all the left types who are intellectual or open to arguments and reasons you could still i'm kind of you i've had a few all old letters also letters who actually appreciated my cartoon that i did the winning cartoon you know they and they let me know that and that's that's pretty cool because a lot of them wouldn't a lot of leftists absolutely would they would just call it hateful and that's it right yeah and you know bosh i'm hoping that um the left is so suppressive of free speech now to cancel you know that i'm hoping that that more of the old left types were still with us start to speak out and say wait a minute wait a minute freedom of speech is sacred freedom of intellectual expression does his little part bill maher does his little part and he's still popular he he mocks his audience sometimes he dismisses his own audience sometimes when they get on him for for defending the free speech for defending certain things for for him criticizing islam sometimes they boo when he even criticizes islam so he is also of that you know he's a he's a you know he's he's loathsome in his own way but his politics but he still clings to the idea that free speech is important well you know i'm going to support him 100 percent and we can disagree on all these political issues if he if he supports freedom of speech and i suppose i know he does i remember his film religious rights he went after islam as much as any other religion that was great he does so he does get kudos for that he really does yeah right yeah right you know and and and the so-called new atheists you know the the late christopher hedges and richard dawkins yeah i think you know i think they they're willing to criticize islam and they certainly believe in free speech you know uh you know on that issue so i think you know there are people on the left who still do you know sam harris has softened up his stance he's called islam the motherlode of bad ideas now he calls it islamism radicalism all that stuff i called him out on it on twitter a few years ago and we went back and forth but i'll tell you about it one day okay well we're going to discuss islam on the show in the next few weeks so so that our situation would be revealed one who will talk a lot and right you know eddie will ask questions or whatever your audience uh you know right right and if we can get pamela gel on or robert spencer other experts on islam like you or bosh that'd be great if not you know i'll ask you questions and you're an expert on islam having been reared in the religion i i started like my life depended on it so right yeah and right so so let's wrap up you know with the with climate change about the uh i i said the point number three warming is beneficial to life on earth it's the colder periods that are that are harmful so let's take a look at some some of the evidence uh supporting that right well one during ice ages you know as the temperature drops plant life is destroyed right as the ice you know it buries it an animal life flees before it if the glaciers again in the northern hemisphere the glaciers are coming south from the arctic region you know the animal life flees to you know flees further south because it's in the warmer it's in the warmer climates that life flourishes not in the colder climates right piece of evidence number two you know is that is the difference between the medieval warm period and the little ice age the norse settled greenland like i said even named it greenland because they could grow crops right in the warmer temperatures but during the little ice age it crushed the north settlements they couldn't grow crops the glaciers advanced you know and wiped out their their settlements they had to abandon they had to abandon their green land settlements life flourishes in the in the warmer weather nia warmer climate not in the colder climates funny for me to say that because i hate high humidity you know i prefer it cooler but the facts show life flourishes and warmer weather not in the colder weather there's one more data point here what they what scientists called the cambrian explosion which is not literally an explosion it it was uh it was like 540 million years ago roughly the earth was warm and humid and that was where the uh the the provenance of you know the many of earth's life forms originate the the um the fossil the fossil record shows that this is where the ancestors in that warm weather yeah in the warm humid weather this is where the cambrian explosion was not getting out of little exposure it's metaphorical but as an explosion of life forms in a in a in a warm humid climate not in one of the colder periods of right you know of of earth's verse history so it's it's not it's not the warm climate that's dangerous to us it's the colder climate and the bad news is that the ceos as abdul samatov and other leading astrophysicists study in the sun climate connection point out the sun is winding down towards the dalton minimum you know a relative low point in the sunspot cycle and by the mid century but you know roughly 20 50 or so the abdusamatov thinks you know we're going to be we're going to be in a colder climate and uh the bad news about that is it truncates the growing seasons you know the the earth has greened during the during the modern warm periods you have uh warmer weather is good for for plant life rising co2 levels are good for plant life the earth has green the the the least adult minimum as it has always in the past leads to colder climate uh and it shortens the growing seasons which means you know it's going to be harder to grow crops and in parts of the world where you know non-capitalist non-industrialized world where they're one step ahead of fam and i think we're going to see a lot of a lot of a great deal of famine and human beings starving to death as has always has often been the case in the past we're not prepared for it and the reason we're not prepared for it is the hysteria over man-made warming absolutely right nobody wants to hear nobody none of the leading politicians or you know ipcc they don't want to hear the earth is moving into a colder climate they don't want to hear that no because it doesn't give them the the you know based on the sun doesn't give them doesn't give them the moral high ground to seize control of privately owned industries doesn't give them the capacity to socialize the economy so yep but it's yeah unfortunately i think it's true like i think the evidence shows the earth's one you know last time the last time the sun reached the dalton minimum was early 19th century you know as you know is colder climate um eight what year was it 1816 the year without a summer par part of the contribution to that was from a vast you know volcano what volcano was that was that timbora uh blew up in his you know it was all this soot and grime and grunge in the atmosphere blocking the sun's rays partially where they call it you know nuclear nuclear winter how much did it affect in terms of i mean how wide was the effect of that i mean did it go that that that volcano in terms of uh it was worldwide sure it was so that year they said it was a year without a sun that that's what they call it without summer uh yeah it was snowing in new england in june and you know i think they even had snow uh i don't remember was in virginia having snow in the summer the temperatures were the temperatures were uh enormously cold partly because of the volcano uh you know and the all that grunge that's how powerful it was i mean yes it is the power of nature wow you know for for better or worse to create or destroy the power of nature's vastly more you know exceeds ours but partly it was the sun reaching the dalton minimum and there's and it was just a colder climate that contributed anyway the point is it's harder to grow crops in the in the colder in the colder climate yep the growing seasons are simply shorter you know winter winter's longer and people die i mean people die but when things like like that happen yeah absolutely famine famine has killed gazillions of people uh historically we're not ready for it we're not ready for the cold decline and this is not based on on bs this is you know the the the ice age the stereo of the 1970s you can read my second climate change i say you know further truths about climate change the scientists were saying this rising co2 levels it should be warmer how come it's colder they they didn't they didn't know why they were predicting this ice age and today with the man-made warming hysteria it's based on on this the puny power of human uh emission of co2 what abdul samatov's claim about an impending colder climate is based on the the known uh cycles of the sun the the vastly powerful you know sun which gives off all this radiation and two it's historic impact on earth on earth's climate this is based in in real science on you know in reality are a number of these scientists actually backing them up on that or they agree with them that the astrophysicists the astrophysicists who study the sun climate connection uh do the the climate scientists ipcc guys their attitude is the sun's got nothing to do with it and since they have the media in their pocket they don't have to debate or refute or argue the media simply your trumpets their claims and and ignores the astrophysicists who have the evidence and by the way since i mentioned before that mars has global warming now we see why right you know this it's based on the the sun giving off uh the sun being at the high point of its cycle and so mars which i think is like 50 40 years of like 48 million miles or 50 million miles further away from the sun than than we are but mars warmth slightly uh you know i think nasa confirmed that early in the 21st century mars warm slightly and you know the ipcc guys have to twist themselves into pretzels to explain you know warming on on two planets so it's just a coincidence but the astrophysicists no no it's the same cause you know the the the sun giving off increased uh you know irradiance right so had they had they uh threatened to nuke the sun some leftists who actually said it's it's a sun's fault just look the sun and we'll be done with this right i'm joking was it bill gates plan to spew some kind of dust or something through the atmosphere that uh the the rays of the sun from from reaching the earth i don't like this term it's overplayed but just to stay in your lane you know just stay in your lane because he's the expert on that he's expert on the uh virus come on man i mean yes and that's the worst thing even if if that if that plan worked it'd be the worst thing possible if the astrophysicists are right we're going to be we're going to be receiving you know less intense rays of the sun to begin with as the sun cycles down to the dark minerals now yeah let's minimize it even further let's exacerbate let's exacerbate the coming cold the climate even more that's a good idea oh yeah great idea genius he's a mess so that's i mean this was educational i will say for me and the audience uh again thank you it's uh it's a topic that i don't think gets the respect it deserves i think it's just all politics all ideology all leftism and then you get these individuals who are not that well known i mean i don't i haven't heard about these guys yeah that you decided i haven't you know we should we should we should we should read their books and understand this issue far more than than we currently do yes yes and you know the the better outlets of the conservative press uh are good on this you know the wall street journal investors business daily the washington times right uh you know they're they're better they're less they're less they're certainly less dishonest than the than the leftist press and certainly on on on this issue but yeah yeah the lion leftist media you know you know martin luther king had a dream about how our children would be judged by the content of their character not by the color of their skin that's a you know a great dream i have a dream too my dream is much less much less exalted my dream is that one day the new york times will have an attack of honesty and they'll hire one of the world's leading climate scientists richard lindsey let's say from mit or patrick michaels formerly the university of virginia to write an article the truth about climate change in this as the cover story of the sunday new york times magazine section yeah that i'd like to actually tell you wouldn't that be something i actually tell the truth about this they haven't pulled the whole agw theory up what's that they have the power to do that they can actually individuals who are actually honest and hard-working and hard thinking and they actually get the truth out they can do that they refuse to because again it belies everything that they've been telling us and it's just they they can't have that it's your agenda it's just it's it's unbelievable and this idea that they're still a highly regarded paper first of all we know about you know about russia with uh duranti i mean we know they're corrupt yes or they've always been they've always been they hired sarah gian to to work for them who's a virulent racist disgusting yeah that that would be something wouldn't it yeah they published yeah and then actually their readers be like you know what this is something that completely different than what you guys been telling us so what's what's the story yeah well you know you know they have attack of honesty they could offer a disclaimer the editors of the new york times do not agree with dr lindsey but but we we believe in you know in freedom of intellectual expression and all you know all points of view should be heard and patrick michaels and richard lindsey and these are these are recognized experts in climate science so we think they should be they should be heard here that that would be great that would be great there was a time when some you know leftists or at least liberals classical liberals would have done that yeah that's right we disagree but here's a platform for them and you know and then that's right sparks debate you know that that would be healthy yeah but it's nowhere to be seen i mean it's just not on on the other side at least right so we could we can help you never know you know you never know sometimes people surprise you don't say do you remember how are you you know to write a a weekly column right on the on the side yeah i could remember you know i'm a cold war kid bashan and so i you know i was born in 1950s i grew up during the you know the heyday the cold war you know and i uh you know so to me you know what what the world is like when you're a kid you expect it to always be that way i i figured the soviet union was with us forever right the 19 mid 80s people started telling me uh the soviet union's gonna collapse the communist blacks block's gonna collapse in bad shape and i didn't believe it i said to them you know from your lips to god's ears right but a few years later it happened so sometimes you know surprising good things happen in the world so who knows maybe you know maybe cnn will have a you know uh our interview with you know one of these leading climate scientists and actually tell the truth you know you never know i'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it but you know i can hope i just want some objective news channel i mean not right wing not left-wing just truly truly tell the truth follow it follow it wherever it leads and report it i mean that would be like a novel idea it's sick that that that's not the case now but the only ones that give the truth a chance are the conservative right yeah so the better the better conservative you know newspapers i like the washington times yeah for example um you know you know but what they used to teach in j school back in the day when they used to when they used to journalists believed in objectivity as an ideal they used to you know teach you know if your mother tells you she loves you check it out right the sauce you know and that's you know that that's good and that's completely lost the ideal now is not tell the news you know get the facts the idea now is push our political agenda that's the that's the idea everyone knows it it's obvious it's naked now it's just it's it's tragic it really really is because people are just the recipient of that if you're not you know dedicated to finding the truth and following it you'll be just given this this this pack of lies and you'll just take that as yeah and i think i think fox news was guilty of it at times but the lion leftist media is was much worse you might you might get the truth sometimes on fox news you're never going to get the truth i mean the reliable uh what's it called reliable sources from that guy what's his name the uh that disgusting character who has like a thousand teeth uh what's his name yeah cnn right this lies uh endless teeth you know i made a cartoon about it yeah i wouldn't make fun of somebody for their teeth but being a liar yeah i would definitely mock somebody for that he's lying through his teeth and he has a thousand teeth so he has a thousand lies but but he um he is goes off on people lying it's like you're lying as you're telling that they're lying i mean you're that's all you do is lie that's it that's all he does yeah your pure agenda left his agenda yeah it's like you know one case in point was when the new york post broke that story about hunter biden you know with that october surprise and the lion leftist media just basically ignored it they they said what did they say it's russian it's russian disinformation it's not newsworthy it's like and then and then when when they got when they got biden and then they said yeah there's something to it yeah yeah yeah and a bunch of people i've i saw who voted democrat said they would they they wouldn't have voted for biden if they if they had known this story which the lion leftist media knew which is why they didn't cover it 100 percent that's part of the fraud also in that sense where they're gonna they're gonna keep knowledge away from from the public you know yeah yeah there's different ways there's different ways to manipulate the vote and that's one of them will be right exactly all right well i think uh i think we've we've covered a lot of ground on climate change bosh i think i think we've shown a lot of evidence to show that that one climate change is not natural not man-made well i should say overwhelmingly natural only trivially man-made and two warming is beneficial for life on earth as the colder periods that uh you're pernicious and uh so i so i think we've covered the good ground here i want to again encourage everybody you'll watch us on youtube subscribe to the youtube channel share it like it uh and everything because we have a lot more to come we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna do uh future shows on unreliable energy on uh gender dysphoria on islam and the dangers of islam uh we're gonna have jim valiant on to discuss his fascinating book on how roman emperors created christianity which is just a completely original thesis that he backs with evidence we have a lot of good stuff a lot of good stuff to come so i hope uh you know we're gonna go on because we you know there's too much there's too much dishonesty you know on these topics and you and i dedicated to speaking the truth as you say you know andrew you're not into politics you didn't want you're you're you're a writer i mean you want to write literature you want to read about it write about it but you're right it's it we have to i mean this is something that's so bad at this point where there's a necessity you've got to tell the truth about things that most people just just want to talk about and talk about it in ways that i i mean you know a little more intense i mean you know it's uh like even even the uh the election fraud episode that's important i mean it's important and uh some people just will will not come anywhere near that and this is you got to touch it yeah you might get burned but you have to touch it you know you have to talk it has to be investigated those hundreds of people who signed swan affidavits that they witnessed like they have to be you know for sure the thousands yeah they have to be heard we have to we have to get that evidence and if it did happen if it did happen we need to if they did happen we have to make sure it doesn't happen in the future that's the whole point i think at the end of the end of that episode what do we do about it you know yeah from here right right and you've said it a number of times i absolutely agree with you freedom of speech is the issue of our age you know and and uh and that's the deal i mean that's what she's done aocs of the world the future of the democratic party do not support freedom of speech right she wants some agency or or initiative to reign in she said reign in she said reign in you know disinformation in the media so you're actually right i don't love politics i love literature i don't want to do a political show but somebody's got by god somebody's in the objectivist community's got to stand up and discuss and discuss these issues you know because yeah the religious conservatives are bad in many cases i understand what the left is off the charts i mean they're just off the charts even those guys stand up against they're so bad the left that i've been railing against islam for you know two decades now right that they've supplanted them i think as the major threat to america yeah yeah i absolutely agree they they can kill us they can you know even lucas let's say but they they want to destroy us from within and just suffocate us yeah i'm much more afraid of bernie sanders than i am of isis or al-qaeda at this point yes absolutely right yep unless they're getting power unless they get nukes and that's that you know we gotta stop from doing that but you know we'll see what we do about that yeah well the bernie sanders of the world is going to defend the country they hate it they hate america they hate israel they decide they'll side with iran i mean it's a point they're so bad that even if we get new we're not sure if they're going to actually respond in kind the left yeah we're not sure about that we don't know probably not you know anyway good good oh this yes this is great episode bosh um uh so we'll announce shortly what our next show is going to be and i think we've i think we've earned a little food and a little rest yeah so yes so i want to wish you bash and everybody out there in free speech land to have a have a great rest of your friday night have a great weekend and we'll be back a week from tonight 8 p.m we'll announce what our next show is very possibly about unreliable energy tying into the global warming uh issue but we'll be back we're going to be we're going to keep standing up you know for truth in politics so have a good night everybody take care take care everyone thanks