Ep. 006: The Life-Threatening Dangers of Unreliable Energy

This week, Andrew Bernstein and Bosch Fawstin interview Jason Isaac of the Texas Public Policy Foundation regarding the dangers of unreliable energy, and the recent Texas debacle, as a perfect illustration of those dangers.

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hey out there in in freedom of speech land how's everybody doing tonight this is uh truth in politics starring your hosts andrew bernstein that would be me and bosh fosten you know the creator of pig man and the the relentless defender of free speech that that bosch is and we have our guest tonight jason isaac from the the texas public policy foundation jason is that the name of the organization yes yes and jason's an expert on the the energy issue and the terrible tragedy that happened in texas uh a few weeks ago and we also have on on on my phone have my because we couldn't get anybody else up on on restream but i have my phone my good friend paul saunders who's an engineer and scientist i know he has a couple of questions for jason even though he won't be able to hear the answer but he's going to go he's going to watch it on youtube to get to get jason's uh answers so i think we should we we should just we should just jump in uh here uh because it was a terrible situation in texas a few weeks ago how many people died you know from the uh the reports last week and i've seen from the wall street journal were nearly 80 but i've heard reports uh this week that you've had at least 68 in austin and i think nearly 80 in houston so that number is going to continue to climb as we get health reports in but uh certainly over a hundred people have have died right now and and millions owe their lives to fossil fuels so the interesting dynamic yeah that's that's terrible but let me just uh talk about the the weather situation first before we get to the fossil fuel because this was this was like the worst winter storm in texas in about 100 years wasn't it yeah i think since 1859 sometime in that range we had one similar 10 years ago uh they did that lasted three days and was about six to seven degrees warmer so probably double digit temperatures that time less than 20 degrees but still double digits as compared to this one that lasted for four or five days and you had single digit temperatures i saw i saw yeah there was single digit temperatures in houston weren't they yeah yeah it was really unprecedented throughout the entire state just this this cold snap just came through this polar vortex and uh it had hadn't happened since uh before industrialization wow and houston so far south i mean that's just i mean i was flabbergasted when i saw the single digit temperatures there was warmer here in the new york suburbs than it was in houston that doesn't yeah it doesn't happen in alaska i remember i think it was 2003 i was on tour for the iron institute given a series of lectures in texas it was it was january it was 80 degrees i i had rented a car jay said i had the ac on in the in the car you know and then i got on the plane to fly back to new york my ex-wife picked me up at the airport the temperature was eight it was eight degrees so yeah hey you see that swing in about a week here in texas that's what right basically what happened we had exactly almost increased 70 to 80 degrees exactly within a week within a week so let me ask you um so what were the factors that were responsible for the for the devastating power failures uh that cost you know tragically cost so many lives well it really boils down to policies that have been put in place for decades and i know congressman crenshaw's been talking about this and of course the houston chronicle or whatever their their paper is on on a two-ply sheet of paper um you know calling that that's not entirely accurate it's it's really but that's what it gets to it's the market distorting policies that have been put in place at the federal and the state level uh for decades that have led to this and the market responded to those policies and over the last eight years we've seen nearly a 200 percent increase in unreliable generation that unreliable generation wind and solar and we have seen a net decrease of over four percent of thermal generation when our populations increased 13 percent when our gdp is up 35 the last thing we should see is a decrease in reliable thermal generation but that's what the market has done the market has responded to these policies these subsidies and when solar gets an eighty dollar a megawatt hour subsidy and win gets a twenty dollar megawatt hour subsidy that is a huge advantage when electricity selling between thirty and fifty dollars a megawatt hour huge advantage to get twenty dollars in the saturday after the freeze i'll tell you the spot prices for electricity went negative and thermal nuclear coal and natural gas are required to put electricity on the grid and they have to pay to do it and wind is paying and still making money wow well let me ask you let me ask a simple question for for for the audience and and for me so why do they call i mean i guess they call wind and solo unreliable because it's unreliable but what makes it what makes it unreliable well it's just it's a it's a variable form of electricity that only produces when the wind is blowing or the sun is shining or panels aren't covered up in snow or dust uh which happens frequently frequently and uh degrades the efficacy of solar uh it's a third of our greatest 33 percent of our grid and on february 16th was producing eight percent of our electricity wow yeah so 91 of our electricity was coming from thermal sources and eight percent from these unreliables right right uh bosh you have some you have some questions for our guests the the politics of it just just like you're asking i know that some of the leftists were on the news and talking about how this they're gonna flip texas now because of this like these policies somehow make them in a better position to take over texas i mean can you just talk about that i mean just yeah it will it it certainly hurts we've got this coveted pandemic and forced government shutdowns which aren't helping matters the governor just lifted our mask mandate that'll go into effect on wednesday so that'll certainly help he said all businesses can open at 100 that will help pick up and rev the economy back up but that's been devastating for a lot of families in the state of texas and then you couple that with complete mismanagement of our electric grid people are going to lose faith in those that are currently elected and that those that put people in power that are supposed to be overseeing this now a lot of those people are gone from power now that the ceo of the electric reliability council of texas has effectively been fired but will stay on for 60 days to ensure a smooth transition let's hope it's smoother than a couple weeks ago the public utility commission chairman she resigned effective immediately earlier this week and so there's going to be some turnover and that's necessary and it's needed because even i have been warning people in charge about this i wrote a piece last summer that were not for the covet shuts down shutdown we would have experienced a shortage of electricity last august and even with the shutdowns we got extremely close we got extremely close in 2019 two percent reserve margin that's even after forcing businesses offline two percent excess capacity in the energy capital of the world uh so i don't think it's going to flip i think people are going to wake up and realize that those that want power in texas are supportive of the green new deal and net zero and 100 renewable and uh there's there's about four million people that experience what net zero is going to be like between february and you know i was you know jason i was telling bosch just before if the leftists think they're going to flip texas they better they better shut their yap about gun confiscation because yeah that's 100 and that's another issue that we weren't going to the texas public policy family right right yeah we take our guns and our electricity right let me i think it was a friend of ours i don't know i mean it may have been you jay so it may have been alex epstein but somebody somebody talked about an unreliable you know it wasn't the uh wasn't the most intelligent thing in the world to make our electricity production depend on the weather no absolutely the asinine the habitat that it takes up it's you need over a hundred times the land for wind generated electricity to produce an equivalent amount of electricity from a natural gas plant you need nearly 30 times the amount of land for solar just to give you an idea there's a new solar project proposed here in texas that'll i think it's six six gigawatts six thousand megawatts it's thirteen thousand football fields isn't it like one size the solar panel and there's one thing we love here in texas and that's our football and you start putting those kind of terms thirteen 000 footballs that's a chunk of space even for texas yeah it really is and it's just absurd because then that land's going to be useless it's a texas size that's a texas-sized yo power plant let me see let me see paul paul are you there yeah i'm here my buddy paul saunders a scientist engineer i think he's got i think he's got some some questions for you jason you you wanna you wanna uh you have a question for jason paul yeah yeah i watched the uh the con the conference uh that you were on with uh three other people and uh one of the things that flashed by very rapidly that needed i wanted to get some more detail on was someone mentioned that some agency shut down the emergency electricity to pump natural gas to your natural gas turbines to keep the grid stable and operational during this crisis and you lost many many megawatt hours of electrical power because of that and it just zipped by and no one said who what and why that shutdown of the electricity to the natural gas pumps occurred and i was wondering if you could fill us in on that yeah paul i'd love to touch on that you know we we mentioned again and everything goes back to the subsidies i don't think we would have been in this position if it weren't for the subs there would have been market competition new thermal generation would have been built nuclear natural gas coal uh but that just didn't happen but then it would and it wasn't even a comedy of errors because death is certainly no laughing matter but people died because people at urcot the electric reliability council of texas fell asleep at the wheel and we've learned and this is something we reported on and did research and we're talking to people on the inside about the frequency basically the voltage or the charge in the grid that frequency was dropping to it to an unmanageable level and when that happens you have turbines and power plants that start to spin faster to get the frequency back up and if they don't do that they'll they they have a mechanism where they trip and they go offline it's like throwing a breaker in your home and so we had thermal plants that were tripping offline because ercot didn't begin rolling outages soon enough now we shouldn't have to have rolling outages at all in texas if anywhere but they should have begun those early early presidents day morning and when they didn't do that the frequency dropped because a rolling outage you just take a hundred thousand homes off the grid in a certain area and that that forces demand down you start messing with the market by forcing demand down it keeps the frequency up you don't lose any thermal generation we lost thermal generation and then they started doing rolling outages and they started rolling areas which is interesting because in 2019 the legislature passed this bill to protect critical infrastructure in the state you think we would know what critical infrastructure is and it was really to stop these greenpeace protesters and crazy environmental alarmists that are trying to protest the construction of new pipelines the safest way to transport materials to market by the way and so we passed this critical infrastructure bill and they cut the power off the critical infrastructure that power was in the permian basin i believe it's the largest producer of natural gas in the world our natural gas supply goes from 16.8 billion cubic feet to 4 billion cubic feet so we're less than 25 percent of what we were and that natural gas is moving through those pipelines those compressors substations are moving natural gas from the permian to market to electric generation power plants and to homes to keep them warm just an asinine decision but why that electricity was cut off in those pumps which brings up a whole other point because i've had a lot of people ask me well why are those pumps even electrified they used to run on natural gas you're right before the epa got involved those pumps ran on natural gas it was in the pipelines you weren't dependent on the grid to move those pumps those compressors but this electrify everything isn't something that's new it's something that's been going on for decades and it's just this anti-fossil fuel movement to electrify everything and unfortunately the pumps and the compressors were electrified they got shut off uh and people lost their lives wow uh paul jason just gave a lengthy answer to your question i know you can't hear maybe you just want to go watch this watch the show yep i'll disconnect and do that thanks for coming on paul and asking asking a question that that i think goes over my head and botched his head but can i just ask one question jason also in terms of the leadership in texas i mean have any of them come out and said we're going to make some changes now we're going to actually try to make this better for next time if things happen i mean has anyone actually been went on record to talk about it in any series absolutely the governor immediately declared emergency items to oversee ercot the electric reliability council of texas p the puc the public utility commission of texas he has an emergency item on weatherization which which is important but the market will take care of that if you can actually make money producing electricity but when you're competing against the federal subsidies thermals can't make money so yeah and i applaud the governor for his leadership by declaring those emergency items what that means is the legislature can take action on those prior to other things we just the way our constitution is written so it gives the legislature much more freedom to move quicker on on possible legislation and i will say the texas public policy foundation is working closely with leadership in both the house and the senate the governor's office on some proposals that will prevent this from happening again and really assuring that we have firm capacity on the market we're not going to move to a capacity market hopefully not but we're going to move to where we require our generators to be able to guarantee an amount of electricity on the grid so you're not playing math games and saying that wind is going to put 25 percent when they're really at 8 percent and that's what ercot has been doing for years they've been playing this guessing game uh and unfortunately it it didn't work out right it hasn't worked at other times as well you know you know jason uh bosh moves around a lot it's going to you know bash i hope you're not moving back to california anytime anytime soon new york california you know across the country you know montana may be better for you than california but i'm thinking jason is any of this well i know you i know you've pointed out that this the degradation of the texas uh power uh sources has been going on for a long time is any of this related to californians moving into texas and bringing the same irrational environmentalist ideas that have that have i mean people are fleeing from california to texas and then they come in with the same ideas that turn california into a third world state you know did they have any influence on this in texas yeah i'd say so maybe at some of the local levels in cities like austin and san antonio in georgetown texas where they're trying to go 100 percent renewable uh and as it's interesting because denton texas is one of these cities that calls itself a 100 renewable city and i was listening to testimony of the manager of the utility who was complaining about his gas prices and i'm thinking well he shouldn't have gas prices if he's 100 renewable he should probably have a lot of dead citizens to deal with because they'd be freezing but somehow or another they're still connected to the grid and living off of fossil fuels while lying in virtue signaling to their local elite self-righteous friends that they're 100 renewable they're not 100 renewable and i think there may be some legislation that goes after these municipalities these municipally owned utilities that if you're going to shut down reliable generation then maybe you got to get off the grid or maybe they don't have that authority anymore to put electricity on the grid san antonio the city of san antonio is going so crazy uh on some of their climate mayor's initiatives to go 100 carbon free electricity by 2035 just not going to happen it's not possible and it's certainly not necessary there's no environmental benefit to do it but you can't convince michael bloomberg and john kerry and al gore of that but the facts of the matter are and the same facts that the united nations intergovernmental panel on climate change uses if you eliminate all the co2 emissions from the u.s it does nothing to mitigate temperature well demonized co2 and fossil fuels when if you were in texas february 14th through the 19th you owe your life to fossil fuels right and on top of that i mean there are people like you know dr patrick moore who's you know phd in environmental science and the former head of greenpeace international points out he's not the only one that that's you know co2 is plant food all life on earth is carbon based you know co2 is necessary for plant life plants have evolved to flourish at like 1200 parts per million of co2 uh which would be impossible if 400 parts per million or 500 parts per million would lead to armageddon so if if anything i'm a dillatontia my phd's in philosophy but you know i've done a lot of reading on the climate change issue and i've you know published several essays on and and in my judgment uh co2 levels are actually too low not too high you know for for flourishing life for flourishing life on earth so so yeah the idea that carbon dioxide is a pollutant is just absolute mangling of science carbon dioxide's plant food it was politicized during the obama administration when the epa changed the regulation to call it a pollutant it was not a pollutant before that yeah and it's not a pollutant after it like you said it's it's necessary for life on earth just like water vapor just like oxygen and sunshine and it's if you read the green new deal resolution it calls for the elimination of greenhouse gases now there is a really potent warming greenhouse gas it's in the environment it makes up about 95 of the environment and it's water and the green new deal wants to eliminate water vapor from the earth good luck good luck with that well that goes a testament to the author of that yes speaking of whom i saw a quote from her uh from aoc recently who said the the collapse of the infrastructures in texas that we saw recently is a is a consequence of you know of not pursuing the green new deal so you know so i guess the implication of that is if if we establish the green new deal we won't have any of these infrastructure problems so uh well we don't have any land left in texas for anywhere to live because you'll have to put windmills and solar panels all up all and then transmission lines too and that's another thing texas every texan has uh spent about 300 subsidizing the building of these they're called cres lines it's a renewable energy lines that bring power from the middle of nowhere to the places where it's needed when the the most efficient way to generate power is actually close to the consumers you don't lose the power over the transmission lines and you can do that with combined cycle gas natural gas peaker plants clean coal plants um thermal nuclear plants uh it's just great dense energy but people have demonized it but i see it making a roaring comeback now because i know that there are the environmentalists want to appeal to a lot of suburban soccer moms if you will i i prefer lacrosse mom is the term because that's our family but boy you got a lot of people that are ticked off because they were without electricity for days people burning their furniture in their homes to stay warm and there was a picture in the dallas news of a guy standing on his counter with his foot over his stove and he had gas and that's how he was warming his feet wow it's a dangerous dangerous activity but um you know i speaking of politics here you know in my judgment uh president trump was a you know flawed hero i think he had he had his flaws and his problems but i think he he did so many in terms of his policies i thought so many of them were good uh for the country you know his support of fracking his recognition that your pernicious man-made warming he recognized that that's false to put it mildly yeah and and he brought the country very close to energy independence if not actually there which was you know i can remember the 70 oil embargo from opec and everything it was a real pleasant surprise uh but certainly relative to biden and the democrats who want to shut down the american energy industry significantly you know i thought i thought trump's policies were really really really good for the country you have any thoughts on that yeah it was we achieved energy independence for the first time in nearly 60 70 years which is absolutely critical we are the best producers we have produce energy in this country more affordably more environmentally friendly than any other country in the world and if anything we're not going to decrease demand by doing these plans that the democrats and the leftists want us to do we're just going to shift production somewhere else and a lot of this is being funded by the russians and the saudis that are just trying to boost their image and and now biden's coming out with this carbon pricing plan that is a pro china carbon pricing plan it will shift production away from the united states so we're going to export jobs to china and then we wind up importing their pollution 65 of the ozone in southern california is from asia it is asian air pollution that makes its way across the pacific from one to four weeks uh depending on the jet stream is how long it takes to get there you can take all the cars off the road in la and you're still not going to make the attainment for the epa requirements because of asian air pollution that pollution makes it all the way to denver into houston we need to be producing and reshoring our jobs like what was happening under the trump administration because we were producing our energy is driving the cost of that down the consumers were winning the shale revolution has just been one of the greatest things for mankind and we have this incredible opportunity to end poverty with the energy that we have here in texas the billion people that don't have access to electricity billions that have access to unreliable electricity meaning they may have it for an hour a day that is certainly not survivable in colder climates and you mentioned the term mild um any warming that we are going to experience on this planet is going to be mild and manageable whether it's two degrees or four degrees humans flourish flourish in warmer climates and they don't in colder climates as we found out in texas a couple of weeks ago for every one death related to heat there are 20 that are attributable to cold and those freezing deaths are on the rise in germany where they've tried their green new deal and it has failed miserably yeah you know jason you're absolutely right and this is coming from a guy who hates hot humid weather i hate it you know i prefer i prefer much cooler weather but you're absolutely right history going all the way back to geological time shows us that life on earth flourishes in the warmer uh periods of earth's natural climate cycle and it's and it's harmed you know in the colder in the colder periods so you know you're absolutely absolutely right uh you know you could just see it you know when you look at the medieval war period of roughly a thousand years ago contrasted with the little ice age that followed i mean the norse settled green land right they even thought to name it greenland during the medieval warfare they they lived there the the cold the colder uh climate of the little ice age crushed them and they they they had to give up and give those settlements that's just one example you could take of history but you're absolutely right the modern warm period of our day should be celebrated you know and embraced uh you know because the next the next cold snap is coming you know in nature's natural climate cycle so you're absolutely right you know about that it's it's so irrational you know this fear of something that one is overwhelmingly you know the modern warm period it's overwhelmingly natural it's not man-made and it's beneficial to life on top of it it's absolutely insane right i'm loving the comments that are coming in about co2 being a fraction of one percent of the atmosphere it's point 0.04 percent of the atmosphere yeah it's a trace gas yeah it is it's just it's funny because then then they're going to talk about methane emissions um and we've been a world leader reducing those emissions the united states as well but those dissipate and don't live very long in the atmosphere and so it's just unbelievable that they're going to try to find any way they can to control every aspect of our lives over the last hundred years we've seen deaths reduced 98.9 percent from weather related events 98.9 if the there's this catastrophic climate crisis happening humans are doing really well with it and the media and the left want to talk about how storms are getting more severe that is absolutely not true there is no increase in severe storms when you look at the cost yeah the costs have gone up because building costs more we're building on on miami when we used to not build on miami so there's buildings going up in places where there weren't before and it's because we've got access to energy that we can get supplies there people can afford to build homes closer to the beaches a place where you're subject to weather events right and and inflation rates you know have gone up so the property values uh um you know much more highly priced which certainly contributes to the rise in you know in the damage the damages but you're right the storms there's you know they've been severe storms forever that they know they're no worse uh today you know they'll talk about the pick out the few years what year was it when katrina was that 2005 yeah i think so yeah katrina and sandy i remember hitting new york hard in 2012. and no cherry picked that data but 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 the years between these massive hurricanes were you know the hurricane front was quiet they just they just ignored that you know and i've uh i've taught logic for many years that's that's taught that's called cherry picking your data you're picking the data that supports your thesis and and ignoring the data that that conflicts with conflicts with it yeah yeah you really you look at the occurrence of those severe storms they're actually on a decrease so there's certainly not a rise but they won't talk about that absolutely you're right they'll cherry-pick times to to have the narrative that they want to have right right one thing also just jason no matter what happens these advocates for solar and wind they want more they want a hundred percent of it they just no matter what happens no matter how many people die and have you ever debated like an honest uh advocate for this that you more or less converted i mean can you give me i mean has there been anyone that you basically have convinced you know what you're right you're right jason uh i was i was dead wrong or or they're just they're just dishonest i mean because that's that's right i think they're just fundamentally dishonest yeah they are fundamentally dishonest and it is their religion it has absolutely become their religion it's a faith i don't share uh i'm an optimist at heart and believe that mankind is flourishing under the conditions that we are right now our life expectancy has increased significantly our access to medicine has increased significantly um our there's just so many measurements and every single one of them can be attributable to access to energy and you look at people around the world that don't have access to energy there's a great unicef video i'd encourage people to go look it up on youtube it's called aisha a-y-s-h-a it's this 13-year-old ethiopian girl who spends eight hours walking to collect water i showed this to a congressional office and one of the staffers said she'd done mission work in ethiopia and she said oh do you know what technology she does have that aisha has and i'm thinking a cell phone that was first thing that popped into my mind oh no aisha has implantable birth control because women around the world that are walking to collect water know at some point especially in ethiopia they're going to be attacked on their journeys and that is heartbreaking to me and during the trump administration the world bank and the imf and other agencies would make funds available we discovered this we were doing some research the texas public policy foundation through the life-powered initiative that i work in uh and found out some of these banks weren't making funds available if they were helping third world countries and they were investing in fossil projects fossil fuel based projects the trump administration reversed that and with cl with biden's climate initiative immediately changed it and so that is cut off so they're trying to get people to be adapting to poverty but when you're ray it's really hard to adapt to poverty so that 13 year old girl is going to be assaulted and raped that's what you're saying while they're there whether or not it's hard working oh yeah it's hard communications manager just had a piece published in real clear energy on women's i think it's women's uh history month or women's it's some women's month and i apologize that i don't know off the top my head but she wrote this great piece about empowering women with access to electricity and in there it talks about women around the world spend 200 million hours a day walking to collect water and if you really want to empower women get them access to electricity then they'll get involved in civic engagement they'll get involved in starting businesses uh they'll further their education that was one of the things that was heartbreaking to me in this video with this aisha 13 year old ethiopian girl is towards the end of this short two minute video they show her looking at her brother's homework so her brother is able to go to school but women bear the brunt of collecting the wood the animal dung that they're going to use to burn over their fires to heat the water so that they can then kill the bacteria in the water it's just just mind-boggling to me and here we are the self-righteous leaders in in in the white house and around the world coastal elites that think they know what's best for everybody and they want to subject them to this poverty they think they can get them a solar panel and that's going to lift them miraculously and bring water up from under the ground in a water well that's going to provide electricity to allow for refrigeration it just it angers me so much yeah it's so exhaust i could see why why you're angry what do you think the end game is for the the environmentalists i mean what what's that goal do you do you think i i think it's ultimately it's about control they're anti-human they think there's too many humans this is evident michael moore's film planet of the humans where he actually exposes some of the left's leniency towards this fallacy of renewable energy and how devastating it is to have it but towards the end of the movie and then if you listen to any of his interviews following the movie he's really just anti-human he thinks there's too many of us that couldn't be further from the truth we're producing enough food to feed 10 billion people uh there's more than enough energy for us to go around but i think he's controlling every aspect i think they want health care for all and i said this two years ago i said you watch what they're going to try to do is it's going to be electricity for all it's going to be energy for all they want this centralized government based in washington dc or the u.n in new york controlling every aspect of our lives yeah yeah i think you're right uh michael moore should get together with thanos right yeah that's right from the avengers from the avengers films they want to you know and leftists were i mean left us like thanos they do they understood him yeah they celebrate him there's a great meme of joe biden as thanos and he's snapping his fingers and you see the oil workers start to disappear when he wow wow yeah we got to thin out the herd right right right yes yeah i mean some environmentalists have openly called for you know some kind of megavirus to wipe out billions yeah so bosh you were talking about flipping people yeah is there a religion you're not going to flip them but i will tell you there's a lot of skeptical people out there that think we're doing damage to the environment and and we've pulled tested this when you talk about energy poverty is poverty when you talk about aisha and you show them videos of people that live in poverty compared to people that don't uh dr scott tinker with the bureau of economic geology at the university of texas has a film called switch on that's available on amazon prime for free so if you've suffered through and still have your amazon prime account watch switch on it's really good you'll see what people will do to have clean cooking fuels in their homes right um but you you switch people when you talk about that and how we produce energy cleanly here in the united states environmentally friendly and that we're world leaders in clean air and people don't know that and i ask this to students when i speak to large student groups do you think our environment's getting better it's getting worse they overwhelmingly i had 200 students in fort worth raised their hands saying it's gotten worse every single one of them it just broke my heart that we're raising a bunch of pessimists and then i show them the data and and some will question me where did you get that data from and i said it's from the world health organization the environmental protection agency in the texas commission on environmental quality and i said this isn't our data i'm not making these numbers up we've really reduced harmful pollution 77 percent the last 50 years and they're like oh okay and then i'll show them in 1970 less than 40 percent of our municipal water systems in the us met the lowest standards today over 90 meet the highest standards we are number one in the world when it comes to access to clean and safe drinking water and and people should we should have our chest out in the united states we should be proud of that and that's what i try to instill in people we shouldn't just be proud of the united states when the olympics roll around we should be part of the jobs that we're creating the energy that we're producing in our environmental leadership so one of the things that we were working on with the trump administration was to get them to do a pittsburgh accord because when he got elected he said he represents the people of pittsburgh not the people of paris when he was signaling his attention to withdraw from paris and if you haven't been following the news you know there's a lawsuit in paris and france is guilty of not even meeting the terms of the paris climate accord and our goal was to say our trading partnership meet our air quality standards let's talk about harmful pollution the six criteria pollutants that actually cause harm and kill people that we've been world leaders at reducing and when you look at the world health organization we have the strictest standards on the world and we're the only large developed country in the world that meets those standards why is it china meeting our air quality standards india russia saudi arabia where they still burn oil to produce electricity they don't and you travel to the masks have been common in asia for decades and it's not because of coronavirus it's because the air quality is awful and i've traveled to these countries and i've experienced it firsthand and i thought my allergies were going crazy and it wasn't it was particulate matter that was buried in my my sinuses it was awful wow just let me jump in here for a second and you know everybody out there in freedom of speech you like the show you know please uh you know subscribe to us watch watch it on youtube subscribe to the youtube channel you know like it share it because we're gonna build this up we're gonna we're gonna have people like jason isaac on you know regularly to speak the truth on on these on these issues where the lion leftist media just spews out you know one piece of mendacity after another um let me jason let me ask you let me ask you this so how is are the positive steps we could take to fight this environmentalist orthodoxy that that the kids are being brainwashed with in the schools what are the positive steps people you know most americans are uh optimistic like you said we we're look we're looking for the things that we could do that'll make that'll make life better what can we do to stand up for the truth how can we how can we reach people well it's great someone asked said they cancelled prime good job well done so look at the switch energy alliance that's dr scott tinker's got the switch energy alliance i believe you can watch his film switch and switch on on there and he's even got education curriculum as part of his his effort to talk about energy density now he's a geologist and does a great job with this so again check out the switch energy alliance we're not affiliated with them just like his work just like we like epstein's work he does great work moral case for fossil fuels yes ruling freedom by kathleen hartnett white who who we used to work with retired recently great book apocalypse never by michael shellenberger i think is a great book i had him on a live stream with mini aoc last year it was awesome if you don't know mini aoc you should go to lifepower.org and look for the michael shellenberger video with mini aoc since aoc wouldn't ask him any questions during the environment climate change committee she actually didn't show up for that day i brought on many aoc who's this awesome nine-year-old ava from orange county aoc impersonator and it was just priceless but we've got we've got interview 101 videos on our website encourage you to watch those we promoted those heavily during the coping pandemic and the shutdowns because kids were at home and their parents were having to teach grandparents were having to teach and just thirsting for knowledge and we've got this great video that's out there energy 101 it's a series that's available in both english and in spanish that just talks about where energy comes from energy density but it's life powered l-i-f-e powered p-o-w e-r-e-d dot o-r-g life power dot o-r-g you'll find our youtube channel there on the bottom uh and some great articles we are working on education curriculum for public schools we want unbiased forms of education curriculum in our public schools that's available for home schools and private schools and really anybody so we're working on that and that is a very important project of ours to have that out and continue to develop that because there's so much bias in education curriculum around the country right that's that's what i wanted to ask you i i think most americans still you'll believe in freedom and individual rights and and capitalism and and american energy independence but the public school teachers union is completely dominated by leftist environmentalists the humanities divisions and our universities you know where i teach in the philosophy programs are marxists they're overwhelming leftists what are you doing what could we do to to get to break through the leftist bias of the public schools and the you know the university humanities division how can we get how could you have this great material how can we get it in there how do we get into the schools yeah it's a bureaucratic nightmare as you can imagine um we we worked with a public school district here in texas to get standards approved on unbiased energy education in high school complete four-year high school standards then you develop the curriculum that align with those standards and then you've got to market it to the school districts to adopt that curriculum and what we're coming up against is those standards are supposed to be good for 10 years and ironically they've tried to pull them up eight years early and it's just a bureaucracy and these leftist staff that are trying to undo what we've done again unbiased information about energy in public schools and this is just in texas so we're even seeing in private schools i'm looking to see if i had it here on my desk because i had some from i've got one in private school and one in public school and he brought home a christian perspective to mathematics and it was about co2 pollution it was about trash and how much more trash americans create uh and it was extremely negative it was wrong and it was 16 years old it just infuriated me from that school to get that updated you haven't we can do as individuals is educate people ourselves so share our materials lifepower.org look for those videos share them with your friends go to the social follow us on social media and reaching those people even if it's people you just you agree with we still want to teach them how to talk about it because when you just come out and say oh climate just climate's not changing that's the stupidest thing ever i don't believe in it that's not going to persuade anyone but when you talk about you know the us is a world leader in environmental protection and we're number one at reducing harmful pollution and number one when it comes access to clean and safe drinking water people don't know that they because they all they've heard is there how demonized fossil fuels are right you know that you can't make a phone without fossil fuels that your yoga pants and my lululemon pants that i'm wearing right now most comfortable pair of pants i've ever had are made with fossil fuels they're made with polypropylene that's made plastic since weaved into this awesome amazing beautiful fabric people don't know that and we've got to get that narrative out there right exactly i see a message here on you know in the chat from our good friend stephanie bond asking you to repeat the website please jason yeah lifepowered.org we're initiative of the texas public policy foundation which is a free market the largest free market state-based think tank we're a national initiative we're working on getting policy implemented in multiple states around the country that are pushing back one of probably one of our biggest legislative priorities around the states around the country this year is what we're seeing from companies like blackrock blackrock is a large financial company headed by larry fink in new york city and they manage over nine trillion dollars in assets if that were gdp they'd be the third largest country in the world they're part of the climate action 100 which has 53 trillion dollars in managed asset assets they are a cartel that is colluding to deny responsible energy producers access to capital they are trying to get businesses out of fossil fuels to go net zero and so you have banks like jp morgan that says it won't make funds available to companies that are producing oil and gas you have insurance companies like hartford that says they won't make insurance products available if you're producing oil and gas or if you're in the forestry business the forestry business is the greatest thing for our forests much like fishermen are for our lakes and our waters they actually predict protect the areas they work in and so we're going to push back and i know i've worked working with alaska governor mike dunlap basically if these companies are going to boycott certain industries then they're going to boycott their opportunities to work in those states so we've got a great bill working here in texas that says if you're boycotting oil and gas or the production of response responsible production of energy then you're no longer welcome to do business with the state of texas and there's 400 billion dollars in municipal debt in the state of texas that companies like jp morgan hold a lot of it would give them a year to shed that debt they're no longer going to make money off the taxpayers in the state of texas and if they do it's going to be through private transactions these are state employees invest their funds with blackrock managed funds then blackrock votes the shares of those funds and controls companies and tells companies what to do it is absolutely a cartel and collusion um it's it's it's gonna be a fun fight we've got to push back that's going to force them to the table so they can actually discuss why they're doing and what they're doing and then we'll look at the un models and show that what your goals are to eliminate co2 does nothing to mitigate temperature increase right let me ask you this jason given given the fear the irrational fear of fossil fuels um and and given that nuclear doesn't use fossil fuels is is there any hope for for nuclear power in the in the future do you think uh i i sure i certainly hope so i think the quietest is turning on nuclear power when it's turning towards the positive people understand that it's the basically the most environmentally friendly source of electric generation and the safest rather no emissions from it it's just been demonized like fossil fuels have for decades their costs are astronomical to build nuclear and the regulations are even bigger so i think we're probably going to hopefully in texas we'll see a reversal of the trend that we've been on and we're going to see an increase in natural gas just because we have so much of it it's less expensive to do it and you can build peaker plants for a lot less expensive than you can build nuclear plants but gosh nuclear is great for base load it is fantastic to meet those those demands and then natural gas and coal are great for ramping up and ramping down our needs so i hope there's more of thermal generation reliable generation that people can count on and less of unreliable generation that people can't count on you know many years ago i read you remember peter beckman uh his his book the health hazards of not going nuclear and he was he was a professor of electrical engineering at the university of colorado i think he was an immigrant from from czechoslovakia but i mean i i'm a humanities guy so you know i'm a complete dilettante in this field but beckman just gave this the title of the book is outstanding the health hazards of not going nuclear and he just gave you know i thought a brilliant logical argument back in data that that nuclear is by far the safest form of large-scale energy conversion he compared it to oil and gas you know and solar and everything and that nucleus by far the safest you just mentioned that chase that that did you did i get you right that you agreed that that nucleus is the safest form of large-scale energy conversion absolutely it's it's the safest form on the planet much like pipelines are the safest means of transportation so hopefully yeah i know there are some environmentalists i mentioned dr patrick moore uh before i thought if i remember correctly is advocating uh the the use of nuclear and hopefully the demonization uh of of nuclear can be can be fought because we we know that it's safe yeah the safest form of of large-scale energy conversions well that's why they're against it i mean yeah right exactly that really is yeah because they know it's the safest well therefore we have to be fundamentally against it we have to fight it to the death i mean really it's as simple as that with these guys with these irrational leftists absolutely promotes human flourishing and prosperity they're again they are against it they're they're anti-human it's true sorry so jason one thing also if you if you could do one thing if you have the power the political power if you could take over biden's whatever's left of his mind for like an hour and sign one executive order into power that would change something i mean what would it be level the playing field eliminate subsidies it has distorted the market for too long and not just wind and solar subsidies all subsidies they're just not necessary and we've got to get to as close as we possibly can to a free market and we found out the hard way in texas a couple of weeks ago that we do not have a free market i'd say more people found out the hard way we've known about the texas public policy foundation have written about it for decades have studied the distorting effects of these policies and advocate for eliminating all of them and we would continue to do that very cool yeah that's a good question boss that's yeah that's excellent because the the american people want energy production and on a free market on a free market they will vote you know with their dollars for the sources of energy that are most reliable right then yep no that's may have a different answer tomorrow but it'll probably be something along the lines of free market constantly go back to that that's just where humans flourish and absolutely it would be it'd be fantastic i right and you know i go back like the merchant marine act of 1920s another big one the the jones act as most people know of it and i read about puerto rico and how i visited puerto rico and how they're just starving for energy and they actually buy propane and heating oil basically fuel oil which is wasted motor oil from ships and cars that's what they burn for electric generation they get it from trinidad and tobago and they could be getting lng from the united states we get lng imported into the northeast and in 2017 i think again recently in 2021 you had lng imported into massachusetts that was from russia and there's an lng export terminal in maryland and that's a lot closer to massachusetts than trinidad and tobago is it's a lot closer than russia is but because of the jones act they have to import it you want to explain to the listeners with lng yeah liquefied natural gas it's just a way to make the gas more dense so you you essentially chill it make it a liquid it goes to minus 256 degrees you chill it with nitrogen and it just becomes more dense so it makes it easier to transport puts it in a liquid form and you ship it across ships there are no ships that are made by u.s companies that have u.s flags and u.s fleets and u.s workers and so that's why the jones act is there is to protect the u.s shipping companies and uh that's what the jones act says so if you're you don't have an american-made ship with american-made with an american crew the american flag then you can't transport goods from an american port to another american port that's why we get lng from texas to puerto rico or from florida or maryland to puerto rico or even from maryland to massachusetts and and some of that's because you've got cuomo and others that are just canceling pipelines left and right i mean it would be very easy to move natural gas in a pipeline to massachusetts into new york from pennsylvania another huge natural gas field but just the demonization of pipelines right right you know bosch made a really important point before when we're talking about nuclear that's that be that's becau because nuclear is is so safe and could be provide such plentiful energy which is why leftist environmentalists are against it and i think we you know we should discuss some of the philosophy here i don't know jason have you read uh uh iron rand's novel atlas shrugged uh i have i've not read the entire thing but i've followed closely and okay yeah it's but you know rand's point here is that the leftists are ultimately nihilists you know the the part of their goal is destruction they simply hate human beings and you know they they wanna they wanna bring down the misery that you saw in the soviet union and the in the communist states they hate the prosperity and happiness that we have we've had in capitalist america uh the philosophy i think drives all of this you're you're absolutely right about the technology and the science and the engineering that but we need to get the truth out there but ultimately at the end of the day you know if the philosophy is that the planet a wild planet is more valuable to human life and human beings or trespassing and polluting the planet the human beings are bad if it's an anti-human philosophy and an anti-success and happiness philosophy the economics and the science is isn't enough right we right we need to we need to uh educate people to a rational pro-human life uh uh philosophy which is why alex epstein's book is you know the moral case of fossil fuels is so good it's based on you know human life is is important and this is you know this is what promotes it yeah he's rational they're not yeah right yeah exactly which is funny because they hate they hate wealth they hate that people have this opportunity to earn wealth in the united states and so they try to destroy those opportunities for others while they're getting wealthy themselves that's fine yeah it's yes and and the power you know i think even more for for the for leftist politicians even more than the wealth you know like al gore has made a ton of money on you know uh on his anti you know fossil fuel uh platform right on his uh man-made global warming platform i think he's made a lot of money oh he is flying around world and private jets just like murray and leonardo dicaprio and it's just that tom steyer made billions in coal um and now he's trying to keep everyone else from getting access to coal right i think it's what do you think is it to me it's even more about the power that these guys want over people yeah the power of control the power to control my life and yours and everybody even more than the wealth is a form of power you think that's true you think that basically power lusters these leftist politicians and intellectuals yes yeah i believe they think they know what's better for humans um than we know ourselves for you that we know that's funny the way you said that for humans that we know ourselves as if they're not as if they're not that's debatable well morally they're not they're evil i i believe they are inherently evil even if they don't recognize it that we do uh and they're trying to divide this country i think they want this country at war with itself and i tell you if you take away people's power boy i'm surprised if we had a couple more days of cold in texas the line the grocery stores the lines for people waiting for propane to get their propane tanks fueled um it could have turned really really bad if we had that for a couple of more days there would have been looting uh that would put you know antifa protesters to shame because people have been fighting for their lives and it would have gotten really bad and if these policies continue from the left it is a failed policy in california it's failed policies in denver people are freezing to death in denver because they can't afford their bills i'm sorry in germany and now germans are subsidizing coal and gas because they distorted the market so much these businesses shut down they left and now they realize well wait we really need reliable power we can't work we rely on our neighbors to import it from them and so we've got to build coal and natural gas and so the german government is subsidizing the building of thermal generation in their country and it's just because they're backward policies certainly they're not admitting they're wrong but it's happening it's just failed everywhere it's been tried jason i know you know for a while the french were generating a large percentage of their electricity by nuclear and then there was that accident in japan that that that they would say they were going to shut down their nuclear plants have they done that or are they still using the nuclear plants my understanding is that there it's still a large mix of their electricity i think maybe the largest um gosh the french government just stepped in and cancelled a 7 billion 20-year 7 billion dollar 20-year contract with next decade which is an lng liquefied natural gas exporter in brownsville texas the french government stepped in and cancelled this through a company called ng engi which is the french government owns over 60 of it which is interesting because here in texas there's a company edf renewables that has 15 wind farms that receive texas tax subsidies federal subsidies it's french owned the french government owns over 60 percent of this so they're boycotting texas i hope we push back and boycott france and wake them up because again our our energy is produced more responsibly than any other country in the world and if the people in france need reliable natural gas that's affordable then they should be getting it from us here in the united states and not canceling contracts and certainly not boycotting it uh but but yeah a large portion of their their electric generation is nuclear it's my understanding is it's on the decline though they're going to shut down those nuclear plants in time based on based on environmentalist philosophy from what i understand yeah yeah that's that's the reason they canceled the contract with for texas natural gas let me ask you this uh jason is there any any state in the in the nation or any country around the world that you think's on the right track that's you know that's building nuclear power plants uh you know he's fighting the environmentalist orthodoxy is opening openly embracing fossil fuels is there any country headed in the right direction do you think uh from what i read about mexico they are they are on the right track they're they're a huge commitment to reliable thermal generation i don't know if they're doing any nuclear but i know they're doing a lot of natural gas i don't know if they're doing any coal but what i read today and i've talked to people that are because we're exporting a lot of natural gas from texas and new mexico i think about 6 billion cubic feet a day they're using it for their vehicles because there's incredible theft of diesel fuel so they're converting to natural gas vehicles they're building natural gas fueling stations which i i love i drive a natural gas ford f-150 my son drives a natural gas honda civic it's fueling right now in our garage which is awesome but to see mexico going this route they're getting more energy independent and their economy is going to take off in return and if i had to guess in the next 40 or 50 years mexico is going to look completely different than it does today because that energy is going to bring massive prosperity well i'm very happy to hear it for the mexicans and since they're right on our border maybe they'll be an inspiration for us maybe the americans can look at mexico say look what the mexicans did you know why can't we do that yeah immigration will reverse we will be right there now the mexicans are going to build a wall to keep the starving americans out yeah someone asked about about about china jason in terms of i know that they just ignore a lot of these environmental stuff they just do what they do and that they actually sell us the wind turbines to for us to make it their w themselves but how are they doing in terms of the nuclear energy and all that are they they're going full tilt with coal which is great if if if it's great if they follow american standards right um there is more pollution when you burn coal than natural gas and that's why you have pollution control technology you have bag houses and you have scrubbers and the air quality in asian cities is awful it is absolutely awful and yeah it's you have olympic games or you have some big foreign delegation coming in for some u.n meeting and they literally shut down their factories they shut down their power generation they switch sources uh to try to get the air and you can clean the air really quickly by doing that but why they don't and i've joked with members of congress of all the technology the chinese steal from us it'd be nice if they'd utilize the pollution control technology right it does it directly impacts the united states blowing across the ocean but they are blowing and going and building hundreds if not i think it's going to be over a thousand coal-fired power plants so you're going to see prosperity increase significantly in china asia and india is the same way they're building hundreds of coal-fired power plants it would be nice if you had crazy environmentalists in washington state that weren't blocking rail cars of coal from wyoming and the dakotas but they are and so those rail cars can't get to the ports to export american coal which is lower sulfur cleaner coal that our asian partners would love to buy from us help american prosperity uh but yeah china is going to just keep on trucking if you will and building generation to meet their needs and it's unfortunate that they don't care about the environment like we do here in the united states when you look at the rare earth elements that go into our phones our computers our wind and solar generation our electric vehicles for every ton of rare earth elements that you mine you create a ton of toxic or i'm sorry radioactive waste 3 800 tons of toxic waste wow it's it's awful there are villages in china where congress or where congress congress yeah cancer i'm sorry redundant cancer rates are kind of happening um in in these communities because they just don't care about the environment you know hopefully people are just starving they just want to work they're doing anything they can to work and provide for their families hopefully there'll be a revolution in china one day you know that'll overthrow that communist regime and establish a freer society that will really see the chinese take off and you know whether in a free country in a free market they'll be an ally of the united states not a not an enemy absolutely hopeful hopefully see that what about the japanese are they still using nuclear to generate electricity jason or they moved they moved away from nuclear yeah they're still they're still using some they haven't turned fukushima on but they're still using some nuclear but they are importing a lot of natural gas from around the world which helps texas and helps the united states out significantly it's one of the reasons we have an incredible amount of liquefied natural gas export terminals being built these are billion dollar investments that are being built in texas louisiana and there's like i said there's one in maryland those are just incredible for the local communities but they are helping our trading partners around the world our allies find a reliable source of energy and things that can be used for manufacturing goods so japanese has incredible thirst for natural gas and we should be grateful here in the united states because we're we're literally exporting our energy and our clean air around the world that's that that's great i see a question in the chat about pollution by pollution you mean dirt what are you what is yeah we hear that term thrown around so much even carbon dioxide today you were talking before uh is considered a pollutant which it most certainly is not but what are the what are the real pollutants so there's six criteria pollutants from the epa that are considered harmful to human health carbon monoxide is one nitrous oxide sulfur oxide there's three um pm particulate matter is one and i'm sure someone can google it and throw it up in the chat but there are sit and i'm i'm forgetting two of them competition yeah yeah that that we suffer from that one greatly but co2 is not one of the six criteria pollutants right it is considered pollution by the epa but again that's just been demonized and when the left talks about emissions or greenhouse gases they're not being specific and then when they talk about pollution they're not being specific and so that's what i ask when i ask people because they think especially if we're in a speaking environment and they're trying to talk to a crowd because most of the people don't know the difference either and i'll ask them well are you talking about particular matter you're talking about socks nox volatile organic compounds that's a fifth one and they don't even know what they're talking about they don't know but ultimately they're talking about co2 or they're talking about greenhouse gas emissions which is water vapor and co2 so good question but look at the six criteria pollutants and those are the things that we've reduced 77 percent in the last 50 years it's gosh there's a alarmist here in the austin texas area that works a lot with our legislature and he has been trying to convince legislators that we need to go 100 electric vehicles and there's going to be a big push with our legislative session in texas to to go electric vehicles and provide more incentives for people that earn six figures so they can buy electric toys and hopefully those we will be fighting against those but he says that during the covet shutdown the first two months of the covet shutdown in austin the air quality improved so much that that should be justification enough for human health to go electric vehicles a hundred percent electric vehicles well you can't make these claims and not think that there's a good organization like the texas public policy foundation is going to go look at the facts and the science and the math and their air quality monitors and you can go and look at those air quality monitors the air quality in austin texas during the first two months of the coveted shutdowns with 50 fewer vehicles on the road got worse is that is that right it got worse it was negligible but it got worse and that happened to other states around the country now at 10 percent i see that someone's disagreeing with me there's the research on our webpage lifepower.org about covet and air quality in some cities it got better negligibly but in shanghai and indian cities a 10 increase or improvement in air quality there is much different than it is in la or new york or austin and it didn't improve in austin there were several cities around the united stories where it didn't improve during those first two months some that it did it was negligible but our air quality in the us is practically near a natural state and weather has a greater impact than man does on our air quality here in the us you must have a lot though i mean people disagree because exactly i'm very when i was when i was a politician i could kind of you know msu make stuff up um or you know just talk off the cuff a little bit but now working for the texas public policy foundation it's like we've got to be very careful inside resources and in our research that backs things up so that was kind of a couple month learning curve for me you know you don't get invited on these uh you know debates do you with leftists i mean they probably don't want to debate you i mean this is what happens but people who are informed yeah i did one when i was in the legislature with just some city council members from the city of austin and i i didn't get invited back i don't think it was intended to be a debate it was kind of more of a town hall with certain elected officials and it wound up being a debate about and ironically about the environment because i served on the house committee on environmental resources and environmental regulation and energy resources so i studied these for a decade and was very knowledgeable about and again i'm an optimist yeah our environment is incredible here in the united states and i love to be out in it see that's sorry that's also something it's like they they believe non-elections don't give a damn by the environment no we we want to be clean there we want all these things but we also don't want to destroy the um the uh the country no what they do but we do want things to be clean we want them as you say china is terrible in terms of the way the the air quality i mean i i've never been there but i imagine it is you know i have been there and it's awful and it's really bad and i've been to wet markets in china before and was nervous about what i was eating because i didn't know what i was eating right but it's just you're right the leftist think that we don't care about the environment and it couldn't be further from the truth and a lot of people say oh the only reason our environment's gotten better is because of all the regulations that couldn't be further from the truth either right you look at in the early 60s when the advent of the catalytic converter which has probably been one of the biggest pollution control technology advances in man's history that really helped capture the particulate matter and the criteria pollutants coming out of exhaust pipes that was huge and it wasn't government that mandated them the market started to react to install bag houses and scrubbers and pollution control technology and then being good politicians they pass bills mandating it so they can pat themselves on the back and say oh we did we were environmentalists we passed some legislation to protect the environment when it was already happening yeah it's a competitive advantage to a company you know in in a country where people are concerned about clean air and clean water it's a competitive advantage to be able to have that kind of technology and say hey we're cleaning up air pollution right i mean that's uh that i would think that's an advantage in the marketplace for a company that can say that is that is that true that's absolutely true when people live 10 years longer they're going to buy another car or two and that's a good thing right i don't right jason also uh nuclear power as we as we discussed there's no emissions there's no pollution this this would uh immensely clean up the air you know in in any number of countries but the environmentalists are dead set against it they're not that you know when they oppose nuclear we we know they're not about clean air when they're when they're opposing the the form of energy conversion that you know that has no has no pollutants uh in it we know it's it's a it's a scam right it's yeah that's just yes you're absolutely right and stephanie here in the chat room is spot on having access to affordable reliable energy fossil fuels has allowed us to have the prosperity and the time to worry about cleaning up the environment i traveled to egypt and tunisia in 2012 right three months after the start of the arab spring three months after the libyan embassy was attacked i was a neighboring country and in tunisia the tunisian embassy was attacked and their economies were in this just death spiral and it was it was heartbreaking to see i learned one day and i'd chew gum every now and then and i didn't notice a trash can of where i could fit my gum so i wound up folding it up in a business card sticking it in my pocket because i'm not going to spit it out and then i noticed trash just piles on the street no trash cans and then i get to cairo and notice the same thing massive amounts of trash i'm thinking what's what's going on with the trash services around here it's weird they just pile up trash on the side of the street i guess they have a crane that comes and picks it up no a couple days later in cairo i saw men with big cardboard boxes and pallets pushing that trash into the canals that feed into the pile and it was heartbreaking for me to see this and that's their their economy had crashed so hard at that point in time and people are just worried about where they're gonna get water they're worried about where they're gonna get their next meal from and helping their families survive dealing with trash is the last thing on their minds you know people don't realize that uh prior to the industrial revolution in a country that it's not industrialized the big question life-and-death question is how do you keep your human and animal waste products out of the drinking water and and the answer is you don't you can't right and people die of cholera and every you know every dysentery every horrible disease you know from from polluted water it's it's an industrialization that cleaned up the water the the the mass production of steel that enabled the construction of water mains and sewer mains to keep you know the drinking waters you know pures and you know and uh unsullied by the by the sewage in the absence of technology and industry it's impossible to do um but again i think that's part i hate to say too much sense you're making too much sense and you're right and people in texas suffered that when they the pumps you know not only did electricity get cut off to the pumps that are moving natural gas in the permian basin they got pump got pumps got cut off at water treatment plants and so then people are getting boiled water notices and they don't have electricity and this big movement to electrify everything which austin is trying to do austin's trying to pass an ordinance that essentially says you can't have natural gas in your home it's been done in california we've got model policy in texas and other states that are pushing back on that to say that that's a state issue and it helps with consumer choice but you can't boil water because everything in your home is electrified and you don't have electricity you're right people are going to get sick and i just hope that the almost 30 million people that are in texas whether they had electricity or not during that mid february week are thankful and grateful for fossil fuels and the clean air that we have and when they have now a lot of them most of them some of them still don't have access to clean water they're still in boil water notices or they don't have water at all but i hope they're grateful for fossil fuels when they get it back because they're probably drinking it out of a plastic bottle right now that's not so our good friend stephanie has pointed out that the the much wanted clean nature every freshwater sauce is is full of animal poop yeah there's no way to keep yeah like like i said there's no way to keep human and animal uh waste products excrement out of the drinking water that's that's why cholera and dysentery and always horrible diseases were so prevalent prior to the industrial revolution you know we we've wiped that out we've made the water clean that's right i mean by means of of industrialization let me just as we're running out of time here but let me just again put out a public service announcement to everybody out there if you like the show and the guests that we have on and the issues we discussed because we're gonna we're gonna be discussing ev every issue imaginable fearlessly we're gonna we're gonna be discussing the dangers of islam next week right with robert spencer who's a world-class expert on islam as is bosh foster by the way so if you like if you like the show then please you'll watch it on youtube subscribe to the youtube youtube channel uh like it share it you'll tell everybody about it because we're gonna grow this lodge and we're gonna tell the truth on all these on all these issues um but you have any more questions just thank you jason thanks for coming you were great uh we really uh our audience definitely appreciate it appreciates it and you really uh enlightened us is that sense case sensitive jason no no i just do that to make it a little bit easier to read life lifepower.org l-i-f-e p-o-w-e-r-e-d dot org thank you great thank you our short mission is to raise america's energy iq and so i appreciate the opportunity it sounds like uh or it reads like your uh watchers and listeners are pretty educated and their iq is where it needs to be so hopefully they'll take some of our persuasive communication tools our our one pagers our research and our videos that are available on our website in our op-eds we've got countless op-eds that are written by our amazing team and share that with their friends and try to educate them and use it for pushing back especially when you see your friends arguing you can come to our website and get the facts and the figures and so we want to be a resource for everybody in this country to push back on the narrative so that we can continue to have access to affordable reliable energy and flourishing absolutely jason you're a wealth of information so i want to thank you also for coming on the show lifepower.org is the website and you're right jason uh you know we can't rely on the schools to educate people they they don't educate they indoctrinate uh you see the poor kids just you know propagandized with leftist dogma who can you know my college students in many cases struggle just with the mechanics of reading they haven't been taught by phonics they struggled just just to read but they know every every piece of leftist propaganda about you know man-made you know pernicious man-made warming and everything but we still have some element of free speech aoc hasn't been able to shut it down yet right and so we do this show and you're right jason we we can we can recommend people go to this website could put books or pamphlets into people's hands you know i don't mean being a proselytizer because you know the people just we just annoy people but engaging people we know friends family members colleagues neighbors you know we're engaging them in conversation no you you should go to your life power.org and get some get some information you know on this from from the texas public policy foundation we can we can be rational proselytizers do it in a you know in a friendly courteous rational way without annoying you know without annoying people you know yeah it sounded like sounding like a zealot so yeah we need we need to do we can't rely on the schools to do it they don't educate them they they indoctrinate it i gotta coin a word here they indoctrinate the schools and they ignorate they they they ignorant they they feel many people they're experts yeah it said i i i've said this 100 times i'll say 101. college class last year right before kovitz shut us down and everything went online i 20 students i won't mention the school i won't embarrass anybody 20 students in class 20 college kids 10 of them half the class had never heard of james madison never heard of him i mean even i was shocked i picked my jar up off the floor you never heard the guy who is the lead author of the u.s constitution virtually the sole author of the bill of rights you never heard of them this is constants americans they they there's this is this is how much american history they teach in the in the in high schools little or none when they do teach american history they use howard zinn's book or something anti-american history yes but yeah anti-americans are pushing marxist propaganda i met the cartoon of howard's and howard poison that's what that's what i called it but jason with that nasty smile with him yeah he's a nasty person he was a member of the he was a member of the communist party which is that was surprising but uh jason you raised a good point we we need to do this ourselves we need to educate and and it is that's one thing we can all do is be rational proselytizers for you know for uh a human life promoting philosophy and for you know the science and technology that and the industrialization that promotes that life by means of creating the abundant energy so i want to thank you again for coming on jackson you really are a wealth of information on this thought this year yeah yeah i really really appreciate jason thank you my pleasure thanks for having me on appreciate y'all keep up the fight oh absolutely we're gonna keep doing lifepower.org everybody yeah and uh thanks yeah again subscribe to our youtube channel please and tell tell people about it you'll like it share it we're gonna keep rocking and rolling we're gonna keep speaking the truth in politics you know on this show robert spencer and bosh fosten discussing the dangers of islam next week that's going to be that's going to be hard-hitting hard-hitting stuff so have a good night everybody out there in freedom of speech land we'll see you next week have a good night jason have a good night appreciate it take care take care everybody enjoyed it thanks for watching