Ep. 007: Robert Spencer Explains the Dangers of Islam

Islam is not a religion of peace. Because of its fundamental teachings, It is a religion of war and conquest. Robert Spencer, an expert in this field, explains how and why this is so.

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hey everybody out there in uh free speech land or maybe not so free speech land after we got the platform by youtube but we'll we'll have something to say say about that but here we are uh truth in politics with with your hosts i'm andrew bernstein and of course bosh fosten um is is with us and bash before we introduce our guest tonight very esteemed author uh on an expert on on islam you want do you want to say something about youtube and uh we could put it respectfully with what we think about about youtube well they they knew to our channel um i guess unceremoniously they basically said that we were severe violators what they said that's what youtube said we were repeated at severe violations of their community standards program this is our sixth episode is is that right is this this is i think this is our seventh okay and so that's a pretty early uh you know nuking of the challenge yeah well i think i think that's code for you guys taking a compromising stance against the left and that's i think that's why but uh you know we had robert we had um dr jason hill on a few weeks ago about the transgender insanity and his battles with cancer culture at the paul university and he jason we love jason he actually pulled no punches he called these leftist intellectuals pimps and[ __ ] and everything yeah it's true you know these guys that you must have seen that flash and their head must have exploded you know but yeah how does he know us so well right and then when they saw robert's name probably said wait a minute yeah that happens robert spencer who's notorious islamophobe right or at least from the leftist standpoint and yeah that must be the last draw okay so i think we should introduce our guest boss you know you know robert wells why don't i do and introduce him well robert's just written about 20 books at this point robert 21 21 books over the last uh nearly 18 years i believe since you had jihad watch like 2003 longer about about 20 years now incredible and now basically you've been writing books by the muhammad and jihad and islam and and but now i think you're writing some books about some politics i mean uh great great presidents that was a little excursion but uh right i'll have a actually this year uh in july there will be a new revised and expanded version of my book from 10 years ago did muhammad exist there's new uh findings new information about that and then at the end of the year i'm very excited about this in november there will be the critical quran which is the first and only critical quran in other words the only quran that not only tells you where all the uh problematic passages are and explains them not not me not this is what robert spencer says but from the standard classic mainstream islamic scholars on islam on the quran and not only does it give you all that but also all the variant readings in in different manuscripts that muslims don't even admit exist and a great deal more this is going to be a quran that is going to i hope excellent excellent that's great to hear and about the obama book didn't happen i got that years ago and now so you have some some updated uh uh takes on that right in terms of because there's there's some there's some idea that he was just created by some arab gang members basically to get in on you know religion and make their own is that i mean that's that's one of the uh myths uh i guess that they uh well it was uh more than a gang they had a massive empire and in those days there were not parliaments and constitutions the uh thing that stuck together their empire the thing that unified it uh was a religion they created the religion in order to unify the empire they did the imitation of the byzantine empire that was christian and the persian empire that was zoroastrian they were the new great power they needed a religion of their own and they made one up they made it martial and violent and aggressive and expansionist because they were all military men themselves and those were the virtues they wanted to inculcate in their population so that their empire would expand would grow would be strong against attacks and so on is there is there any truth to that charge or is are you kidding me it is that's it man there's no muhammad muhammad yeah uh muhammad i mean okay i wrote a biography of muhammad here's one of your books but that one right there the truth about muhammad yeah the subtitle is founder of the world's most intolerant religion and i want i want to recommend this to people i learned a lot about islam from the book so thank you very much the thing about that book is that is what you would learn if you were a young muslim or an old one and you are going into the earliest available islamic texts about muhammad to find out what he said and did and that book is based very carefully on uh ibanez hak who is the first biographer of muhammad in the 8th century and the material about muhammad's life that's in the 9th century hadith literature and so on that is the earliest we can get now the thing about that is is that muhammad lived in the 7th century at least according to the stories and so you go back to the 7th century and try to find out what were they saying about him at the time he lived or maybe in the decades right after that and you got nothing that's right not only do you have nothing but that's the time of the great arab conquests and so they're conquering the middle east north africa persia and parts of india an extraordinary breadth of conquest within a hundred years after muhammad supposed to have died and in that span you have barely any mention of muhammad and all the mentions that you do have don't say anything about him like all these voluminous things that we know about him now marrying the nine-year-old and fighting these various battles and saying this and that and ruling on all these legal matters in ways that are still binding for muslims today there's none of that and we have plenty of records from that time but they never mentioned that these people were called muslims or that they had a new religion or that they had a prophet or that they had a new holy book that's that's really fascinating and and robert just and bosh just for the sake of the audience here i want to make a few basic points uh yeah traditionally muhammad states were held to be 570 to 632 a.d right so seventh century and also a lot of people may not know what the hadith is that's the compendium of of sayings ascribe to the prophet is is that right yeah that's basically it and see even that is suspicious because in the first place we know so much about this guy we have volumes i have back behind me there are 30 volumes of hadith and i don't have nearly all of it and we know about what he did practically every day of his life and yet you don't know anything about any of it before 200 years after he died where was all before that and people say well of course it was an oral tradition it was passed on orally okay but nobody ever even mentions it that it exists nobody ever even mentions this guy who's supposed to have inspired the whole thing it strains credulity beyond the breaking point yeah that's that's really interesting because it's not like moses who was supposed to be i don't know 1200 bc there's no way to have any records in 600 600 600 a.d that's much closer to the modern era you think we have that makes it even worse you see yeah that's what i'm saying have all sorts of things right it makes it more suspicious right and the thing is that well in the first place about the hadith you've got hundreds of thousands of stories of muhammad and a lot of them contradict each other and a lot of them are considered forgeries by muslims themselves the greatest hadith collection is that of the imam bukhari a 9th century imam who traveled all around the islamic world and he collected 600 000 stories of muhammad and he published 7 000. it's a big nine volume set i got it back there but why did he reject the other 593 000 stories because he himself thought they were poor and i think yeah you're absolutely right those stories were completely fictional were made up by different groups that in order to give uh weight and heft and value to their own point of view they attributed it to muhammad they they wanted to do something like marry nine-year-olds they said look muhammad did this but the only thing is that they were off by seven thousand uh all those are fictional too and uh the criteria by which he judges he judged bukhari by which he judged which ones were authentic and which ones weren't are a lot of nonsense because it's based on the chains chain of transmitters which is like uh if if andrew tells bosh something and bosh tells me and i tell a hundred different people and then you go back go to one of the person that's a hundredth down the line and say what did andrew say it'll be all mixed up you know we've all played this game and yet we're supposed to believe that all these transmitters had exact perfect 100 recall about everything that muhammad ever said and it was passed on for 200 years before it was written down there's another problem too excuse me i'm going on the channel no you're that you're the guest here robert go ahead you're the guy like you're a man you get me on this and this is a very big thing uh there's another thing too see there's a whole lot of material like you said andrew from the 7th century it's not like it was 12 000 bc we have a lot of information right and so for example the the arabs conquered jerusalem in 638 639 thereabouts maybe 637 even but right around there they conquered jerusalem and in those days the byzantine empire nominally was in power but they didn't have enough troops to cover their whole area after a lot of exhausting wars with the persians so the de facto head of state in jerusalem was the christian leader the patriarch of jerusalem whose name was cephronius safronius wrote a lot of things down and he also wrote a lot of sermons that he preached and he those records still exist and he wrote a lot about the arab conquest of jerusalem he talked about it a great deal because it was a problem for him as a christian how is it that god allowed uh all this to happen so he's wrestling with this question and he writes a great deal about the conquest and and get this never once does he call them muslims he doesn't say they call themselves muslims he doesn't ever mention muhammad he doesn't ever mention the quran he doesn't ever mention islam he's got no idea that any of that exists and he had extensive contact with the conquerors he talked to them he asked them what they were doing he asked them why what it was all about he talked he went back and wrote about what they said because he was trying to understand it all himself nothing about muhammad because there was no muhammad yet robert this is fascinating i mean it really is is the first first i knew there might not have really been a muhammad um but but i want to ask you about the traditional you know islamic beliefs and and the influence that it's had in the world and and still and still has um and here i i have another book that i've learned a lot from ibn muarax why i am not a muslim which i strongly recommend people terry and by the way i ibrahe obviously familiar with both the western you know canon and the islamic canon and even to the point of his title right there was a famous essay by birch and russell why i'm not a christian and while rock is you're a rift on this excellent book and so robert ibn morak says that jihadists you know have have more authoritative sources in the quran and the hadith to support holy war than any liberal muslim has to support peace so anyone is is that an accurate claim oh yeah there's no doubt about that whatsoever and you know this has been something that i've been tearing my hair out you can see um for uh 17 years 18 years of ghodwatch now they've been just hundreds maybe thousands of articles in the establishment media where you have some dishonest muslim spokesman or some idiot non-muslim spokesman and they're saying well of course the true islam is peaceful and tolerant uh like the pope you know he should change his name to the dope because he says what is the quote um authentic islam and the proper reading of the quran reject every form of violence yes yes he actually wrote this yes and there's no way that anybody can read the quran attentively and think that it's a religion of peace there's just no way it is very clear people say oh jihad means i'll tell you i've seen in these in these media articles that i'm talking about where these lies are spread they're banking on the ignorance of the people that read them they say jihad in the quran means a spiritual struggle okay chapter eight of the quran is called al-anfal the spoils of war and it says in chapter 8 verse 41 that you've got to give a fifth of what you win in battles to the prophet how can you give the prophet his cut of a spiritual struggle it doesn't it doesn't make any sense obviously the jihad they're talking about is warfare and it's warfare against unbelievers there's so many other examples of that in the quran so when we hear these these uh islamic spokesmen and non-muslim spokesmen saying that the true islam is peaceful they're just trying to deceive non-muslims so that they will be complacent in the face of the advancing threat yeah that's right i have uh you know to corroborate what you're saying but i have several quotes here from from the quran that i'm sure you'll recognize one is uh your quote from the quran uh fight and slay the unbelievers wherever you find them that's three in there if they repent and practice our way then accept it well he's always here's another quote in other words then they're yeah yeah right right all true believers when you encounter the unbelievers strike off their heads 47-4 yeah you're right you're right you shall fight back against those who do not believe in god nor in the last day nor do they prohibit what god and his messenger prohibited nor did they abide by the religion of truth yeah 9 29 you're right and one more uh to those who prefer peace to bloody conquest the quran states quote if you do not fight he will punish you severely and put others in your place now that's a if you do not fight he will punish that's from chapter nine yeah i don't remember the verse that's uh you're right it's nine it's 9 39. yeah okay good good for you i mean you know the quran you know the quran really well but yeah i mean i mean these quotes these quotes are unmistakable with where we're endorsing literal warfare right against the unbelievers oh there's no doubt it's literally absolutely right like i say you got the spoils of war and you've got so many other things that make it clear even the whole thing about sex slaves which is a big issue that nobody wants to talk about in britain and elsewhere in europe now uh you have muslims seizing non-muslim women and using them as essentially sex slaves and this comes from the they are the spoils of war that's in chapter 33 verse 50 of the quran and they are the spoils of war that you can you have explicit permission in chapter 23 verses 1 to 6 chapter 4 verse 24 chapter 4 explicit permission to use them sexually so this is something that is happening because it's allowed in the quran and uh obviously there are no sex slaves in the spiritual struggle either no or marrying marrying nine-year-old girls like aisha and you're having sex when she's nine i i just i can't even i can't even imagine it but i'll come back to the sex slaves in a minute but i want to ask you something else also in the hadith where these compendium of stories about you know what mohammed did and what he said there were stories showing him as a as a war you know as a warrior aren't they aren't they yeah sure he fights plenty of battles there are a whole lot of scenes of him fighting battles one of the ones that springs to mind right away because uh well it's pertinent in a lot of ways is the battle of khaibar which was an oasis in northern arabia where the jews went after he exiled them from medina and then he went up because he had promised actually he had promised the muslims spoils and this is in chapter 48 of the quran 48 19 that they're going to get abundant reward because a lot of the muslims were angry that he had concluded an unfavorable truth the treaty of hudaibiyah with the quraish the pagans of mecca so he said if you just stick with me you're going to get a lot of the booty the spoils of war and so he goes up to kaibar and they come in at night and he says we're not going to going to attack now we're going to wait and if we hear the call to prayer in the morning then we're not going to attack but if we don't hear it then we're going in so in other words it's very clear that it's warfare and it's very clear that it's warfare against non-muslims because they are non-muslims if they had been muslims he would not have attacked right now does does islam correct me if i'm wrong on this because what i what i've been taught is that islam prohibits the enslavement of co-religionists but infidels are fair game and can be enslaved and of course used as sex slaves is is is is that accurate that's the law yeah in practice that has set aside a great deal there are a lot of uh slaves who are muslims in north africa even to this day in mauritania they're people who are slaves were born into slavery they lived their whole lives into slavery they have children and the children are slaves really i thought i thought the slaves in mauritania and sudan were christians or pagans they have they they have muslims they are muslims enslaved i didn't i didn't know that yeah there are uh but this is strictly speaking islamic law is that you should enslave non-muslims right right and that includes the sex slaves you were talking about before oh yeah yeah oh yeah that's not something you do with a muslim woman she's a she she's a woman of dignity as a matter of fact there are specific laws in sharia and islamic law for uh the slaves as opposed to muslim women and muslim women of course have to cover up veil cover their heads in order to make sure that they are not a source of temptation for men whereas the sex slaves actually are not allowed to wear a top because they're always supposed to be a matter of temptation sexually for men geez uh what yes rubber start somebody robert in terms of your books would you say that your book about then did muhammad exist would that be considered one of the most controversial in terms of being muslims themselves i mean i'm just curious well certainly the truth about muhammad in those days it came out in 0-5 and that's a long time ago now but i remember there were a lot of people very angry about it and uh one of them was a professor khalil muhammad i don't know if you're still uh still out there khalil but if so good evening uh muhammad was at san diego state university i think or the university of san diego some something out in san diego and uh anyway he wrote a review of the truth about muhammad in which he said that this was this terrible book where spencer had said all these terrible things like the prophet muhammad married his daughter-in-law well if you read the quran chapter 33 verse 37 you have muhammad marrying his daughter-in-law it's a very oblique reference in the quran itself but it's spilled in in the hadith and it's the basis for the fact that islamic law forbids adoption because muhammad had his son was adopted and he had to disallow adoption so that she wasn't his daughter-in-law anymore and then he could marry her and there was no scandal this is in the stories uh actually this is one of the reasons why people say muhammad was a real historical figure because it's such an embarrassing story why would anybody make that up it was very interesting scholar uh david s powers who uh i i speak about it about this and did muhammad exist powers says and i think he's got a very good case that uh the story is invented and it was invented in order to show that muhammad is the seal of the prophets which in the quran that's the end of the story in chapter 33 verse 40 it suddenly says muhammad is not the father of any of your men but he's the seal of the prophets now suddenly why is is that why does that follow from the permission he has to marry his daughter-in-law because in islam if he had had a son the son would have been a prophet too so he had to not have a son to be the last prophet and so uh that's why the story comes up but yes he's the point i'm making i'm sorry i'm going all over the place here but robert in other words he says it's this terrible book made up stuff he's real banking once again on the ignorance of the people reading it and and he knows full well that was in there and that i was just reporting faithfully on what was in the islamic texts he just doesn't want everybody else to know that right right um uh by the way i just want to you know in the chat here we have a nice comment from ed i know how to say his last name ed clow at ed clough wow yeah he says but islam islam literally means submission which is which is accurate right and is that what it means that's correct yeah and goes on to say this could be the only accurately named religion on the planet that's right ed it's also interesting to note that the submission is not just to allah it's all down the line the non-muslims have to submit to the muslims that's the whole idea that they're conquered and they're subjugated and they're denied basic rights and they submit to the hegemony of the muslims the woman submits to the hegemony of the man it's all about submission and the slave of the slaves submits of the slaves and the word muslim means one who submits is that right yeah that's right if you put a mu in in arabic if you have a noun and then you put a mu on on the front of it it's the one who does the noun so it's like islam is is submission and then the muslim is the one who submits and jihad is is warfare struggle literally in warfare against unbelievers and the mujahid is the one who is the fighter the one who jihads uh it's interesting to note ed said the history of jihad another book that i wrote is hard to read it was so much so much evil ed you should have written it that was even it was very depressing i got to play uh 1400 years of conquest subjugation bloodshed bloodlust uh rape terrible terrible things very very little pushback very little and so i'm hoping actually that ultimately the history of jihad may contribute to some pushback in the west sometime we'll see right you know you know and i'm sorry robert and ed also but you know i teach philosophy in in the universities and like you know uh so i mean you know the very leftist culture and the kids of course have been brainwashed with leftist culture uh and when we say things like this bosh youtube did the kind of things youtube the platform does for right but it's true it's true and my students characteristically very innocently think that christianity has been an aggressive religion against islam islam you know has been oppressed by christianity the crusades they see as you know a characteristic you know aggressive war on christianity but the truth is for my i'm not an expert in history the truth is that the islam has been an enormously aggressive religion and christianity has very often had to defend itself against islamic aggression and european christians have done a pretty good job of defending themselves over the centuries right is islamic warriors conquered spain and 711 a.d right across the pyrenees invaded france were defeated by charles martell at battle tour 732 a.d right i mean uh the island empire conquered i don't know how much of eastern central europe there's a there's ah constantinople the the crusades were a defensive war against islamic aggression is is that right yeah there's no doubt about it there were no uh crusades at the time of the things that you mentioned that when the muslims conquered spain when they went into france when the ottomans well actually the ottomans come after the crusades but uh when you have the muslims invading spain this is 450 years before there was ever a crusade almost 450 when you have um the first siege of constantinople which was the second great christian city in the world in those days behind rome uh that's 680 the first time they did it and the the there was no attack they were responding to the christians had not attacked the muslims the crusades come hundreds of years later called by pope urban in 1095 i believe it was and by 1099 they had conquered jerusalem this was a small scale uh pushback against 450 years of jihad violence and it was an attempt to try to protect the holy land for christian pilgrims it was there was never any effort to win back all the rest of it that they they had rolled up they had conquered lands that had been christian for centuries in north africa and the middle east nobody ever made any effort to get any of that back except for the 200 years of the crusade and that was as as you noted a response a long delayed and small scale response after so much jihad aggression and and it wasn't it wasn't feudal either it helped it helped protect constantinople although the the crusaders if i recall my history correctly sacked constantinople themselves but helped uh protect constantinople from islamic conquest which didn't occur until 1453 when the when the ottoman turks finally conquered constantinople so had some had some positive effects you know as well oh yeah well you know there's no doubt that the crusades went wrong and that there were things that they did that they shouldn't have done uh the uh anti-semitism the attacks on the jews that's there's not only is that inexcusable it's a missed opportunity because they could have and should have united against this foe that wanted to conquer and subjugate both of them but even aside from that you have like you noted the 1204 sack of constantinople that alienated the eastern christians to this day and this disunity of course the uh muslim forces took advantage of the uh idea though that the crusades were gratuitously imperialist and aggressive is completely unhistorical and the idea that they did no good is completely unhistorical as a matter of fact it's interesting to note that right from the beginning the uh muslims or the arabs before there was islam were trying to conquer europe and they continued uh up to this day of course but there was 200 years in which they did not invade europe at all and those were the 200 years when the crusades had domains in the middle east so if if you take those 200 years out then it's very possible that not just eastern europe but western europe would also have fallen to islam and we wouldn't be having this conversation now we'd be studying quran right right yeah the idea that your christianity was aggressive against islam and that the crusades was an aggressive war that is leftist anti-western anti-christian propaganda oh yeah is is what that is but let me let me ask you about the item in empire because you know this is this is present-day turkey and they conquered large parts of eastern and central europe held it for centuries like 1400 1500 1600 um uh late siege to vienna right twice i think i think suleiman the magnificent and then again that now 1683 from what i've read robert i want to know if this is accurate that the the crusades i mean not the crusades the the islamic warriors had had vienna besieged in september of 1683 uh and that the day the siege was lifted by john sobieski the polish king was 9 11 was september 11 1683 so one thing i want to know is is that accurate and two did osama bin laden pick that date you know as a warning to us that uh the jihad is back is that both questions is a definite maybe okay it was september 12th that sobieski broke the siege uh so but that means the high point of the siege was september 11th oh yeah that's true there's no doubt about that either way the the high point of the siege was the 11th whether it was broken on the 11th or on the 12th but there is disagreement about that latter point and nobody really knows why osama bin laden shows september 11th but historical memories are very long in the islamic world much longer than in the west in the west nobody remembers what happened 10 minutes ago but in islam the crusades it's like it's a live issue i mean after all look at isis look at al qaeda all their communiques they call the american army's crusaders and it's like they can't get off the crusades it's 800 years later and they're still mad and it's uh so it's very possible that he meant to convey the idea that they're picking up where they left off now it makes sense i mean 1683 the and by the way vienna if you look at the map of europe and most of my students don't know any geography you know unfortunately but vienna is a long way from constantinople or present-day istanbul yeah it's like i don't know maybe it might be roughly halfway to london is how much of uh of europe that the islam had conquered so really you know showed that showed the power of israel i mean to the best of my knowledge historically robert islam the muslim warriors were the aggressors for roughly a thousand years from muhammad's lifetime until you know the 18th century enlightenment and industrial industrial civilization when the west when the west rose to you know to great power then the shoe is on the other foot you know with the westerners uh invading uh historically is islamic land but for a thousand years well and the mediterranean was called an ottoman lake right for a thousand years the muslims were the aggressors is i mean is that historically accurate it seems to me yes sir absolutely the ottoman empire of course it was a sharia jihadist entity it was dedicated to expanding islam uh it was corrupt it was uh often debauched and lost sight of this goal but there's no doubt that's what it was all about and basha and i both i suspect have grandparents who were born in the ottoman empire and uh the well yours were probably subjugating mine actually right they were the the converted people from converted people yeah but uh yeah i mean i've read that the sultans and the high ranking officials in the island and empire were often not particularly religious they were secular but whatever they wanted to conquer you know christian lands they called for jihad and the masses rose up yeah yo jihad against the infidels is a way that they often covered for what they were doing they were they were known to be uh libertines and so a lot of the hardliners didn't like that and so they could prove their islamic authenticity by waging jihad and sometimes of course they had entirely other short-sighted goals in mind this was actually one of the fun parts of the history of jihad to write was the later ottoman empire the one of my favorite of the ottoman sultans was uh known as saleem the sat who was a drunk slave yeah he was a drunk that's against sharia law isn't it and he had this wine that he loved that came from crete but crete was controlled by venice i believe it was the republic of venice and so he invaded crete he declared jihad and invaded his mind and he got it he was very drunk one night and uh going to his swimming pool and slipped and fell and hit his head and died so uh shows you know don't jump that's right justice is justice is done robert there's one thing also this this conceit of islam where we are all born muslim are we not yes we are and we've been perverted out of it by elders and family and other religions yeah that's yes that's attributed to muhammad uh he's supposed to have said that it's the parents it's the uh the the relatives and family that turns the the child away from islam yeah that's right so let me ask let me ask it seems to me there's this congruence between islamic philosophy and islamic history that you know the quran says you know conquer the infidels the hadith shows that muhammad was a warrior and conqueror and then the history of islam is just is is just endless endless aggression not just against europe which we've been discussing but the the middle east and the far east i i mean you could make a case i think that is islamic followers have have been the most successful imperialist history and they conquered so much of the far east kill you if you know to this day a thousand years later kill you if uh you know if you reject their religion uh there's been this will durant says that the islamic conquest of india is the bloodiest story in human history so i mean that's true so i i mean there's islam the islamic warriors have have put put their philosophy into practice very consistently and still and and still are at least is is that accurate oh yeah yeah well that's what i tried to show in the history of jihad because a lot of people think oh this is something new we didn't hear about you know we didn't hear about islamic terrorists when we were a kid and so a lot of people think this is some new thing that is a twisting and hijacking of the peaceful religion because that's what they're always told by all the political politicians all the media so they believe it so the history of jihad actually is designed to show that this is consistent that this is not new that they have always acted this way in every time and every place from spain to india and everywhere in between and into the new world once the new world was discovered there has never been a place where non-muslims and muslims have lived together as equals without the muslims ultimately trying to assert the hegemony of islamic law now wow now in india hinduism of course was a dominant religion hinduism is fascinating because the hindus will say things like there are millions of gods and and even if there are manifestations ultimately the one god to the islamic year which is so fervently monotheistic that's sacrilege and so so uh one indian historian said uh i think between the years like roughly 1000 a.d and 1 500 a.d islamic warriors slaughtered like 80 million hindus the claim the claims that's i mean so that that's an accurate claim to to the best of your you're obviously an expert here absolutely yes uh i went through the history of india and jihad and india very carefully when i was researching the history of jihad i'm proud to say actually the history of jihad is the only history of jihad in english uh the only one that i know of at all that actually includes the history of jihad in india there are other histories of jihad in english that only talk about europe but this is the first and only one that shows the whole thing worldwide and the history of jihad in india is just absolutely appalling it's worse than the jihad in europe because in europe the muslims were dealing with christians who were considered the people of the book and the jews are also people of the book the people of the book are considered to be groups that have legitimate revelations from allah they have twisted these revelations and changed them and so they're under allah's curse and so on but they are uh given the chance to live out their own religions as long as they are submissive to the muslims and obey various restrictions but for the hindus the hindus were not people of the book and so there is no option given to them in classic islamic law or in the quran to submit they have to convert to islam or be killed and early on very early on the very first invader of india the muslim invader of sin in the 7th century muhammad what's his name actually i happen to have it right here the history of beyond i was just on a show in uh in india the other day and it was very interesting and so uh i still have the history of jihad here i'll not bore you oh muhammad ibn qasim that's it and he uh was the first great invader of india he realized there were too many hindus to convert or kill a lot of them weren't going to convert and it was impossible to kill so many people and so he actually got the clerics to issue fought was to say that the hindus could be granted people of the book status so that they could be subjugated as dimi's given those various restrictions that the uh non that the people of the book get but even so in practice because the hindus really were not actually people of the book the conquerors were much more brutal and bloody and uh destroyed thousands of temples and so on behaving in ways that made them look humane and tolerant and peaceful in europe which is going a long way you gotta go a long way to do that and to this day we have this sectarian violence on the in the indian subcontinent uh hindus hindus muslim the sikhs you know if i remember the story correctly seek the sikh started out as a pacifist religion trying to kind of merge together uh elements of hinduism and islam until one of the islamic rulers what was he he dictated to the leaders of uh of the sikh religion that they had to change their holy book was it the grant i think is the name of it that it changed the holy book to to to be in accordance with the teachings of of of islam and the and the leaders of the secretary said no we're not going to bow down to your uh you know we're not going to change our holy book to to comply with you know with the beliefs of islam and and after that if i remember the history correctly uh you know the sikh religion which was pacifistic became they they trained and became warriors and became you know great warriors against islam amongst other fascists is is that is that an accurate account of the history yeah i think so i'm no expert on uh the seek religion but i do believe and maybe uh uh somebody watching this at some point can correct me if i'm wrong but i do believe that they they carry a dagger which is a a ceremonial weapon that they carry actually because of muslims and islam and that they're always ready in case they encounter somebody who wants to kill them for being a sikh instead of a muslim oh my god it's like you see why there's so much violence in uh you know on the indian subcontinent and and i you know i i don't want to sound i want you to try and be objective and fair here but it sounds like islam is generally the aggressor here and generally the source of the problem you know there are some places in the world where uh non-muslims are portrayed as the aggressor as a matter of fact in the establishment media pretty much everywhere where there are conflicts between muslims and non-muslims the non-muslims are portrayed as the aggressors but pretty much everywhere this is not the case most notoriously is the israeli-palestinian conflict and the palestinians have a very sophisticated atrocity factory where they manufacture terrible things that the idf is supposed to have done and manipulate world opinion on that basis even the u.n which is terribly anti-israel even the u.n rebuked hamas a few years back for using human shields that is they would stage attacks from civilian areas in order to draw retaliatory fire that they could use for propaganda purposes and the whole idea here is that they're the aggressors but they're trying to portray the israelis as aggressors to win world opinion to their side it's been quite effective this also was done on a smaller scale but very affected again by the rohingya who uh provoked all the violence in burma myanmar and then played the victim and even just today at jihad watched i put up a story about a swedish commission some government agency that studied uh rape statistics and issued a statement saying that yes muslim migrants are responsible for most of the rapes but that's the fault of swedish women because they're racist and they report rapes by muslims more often than rapes by native swedes so everywhere it's not their fault and yet everywhere they really are the aggressor wow you know it's an interesting point that occurred to me about the difference between christianity and and islam and that is you're the founder of christianity jesus every every account we have of him in the gospels is that he was you know man of peace it was not not a war in fact he was like the opposite of what the jewish messiah was was supposed to be whereas mohammed you know is uh according to the hadith and whatever you know the traditional view that there was a mohammed yeah warlord and you know and a warrior and you know uh you know engaged in warfare and he uh counts you know he sanctioned warfare and encouraged it so you know christians have have engaged in a lot of warfare you know historically where your various christian denominations were aggressive in fact against each other you're like protestant catholic wars and such but it's a contradiction to the teachings of of their found so you would expect it to be easier to convince christians to live peacefully with other sects or denominations because their founder taught that whereas with islam i would think the problem's much more intractable because their founder according to the legends was a warrior who you know who fought wars and and encouraged warfare so it seems seems to me there's a there's a major difference between those two religions that greatly favors christianity and he was considered the perfect model also he's considered the perfect model for often not just for muslims for everyone for non-verbal in the world the quran chapter 33 21 says he's an excellent example and that's uh understood in islamic tradition in a maximalist sense that everything he did you should imitate and like you say not just muslims but everyone ideally uh as far as the uh comparison goes you're absolutely right um this is a funny thing people don't realize many many people say in repeating these silly cliches that go around and pass for thought these days one of them is well islam is 600 years younger than christianity so in 600 years it'll be just as tolerant well i don't have 600 years to wait in the first place and in the second place the teachings of jesus and of muhammad are very different and so they give rise to different behavior for the people who try to imitate them right and this is a distinct point you know you're you're saying well muhammad as he's portrayed i wanted to make sure that people understand it's very important to know what muhammad is like in the hadiths and the stories that islamic tradition presents about him because muslims believe them and so if you want to understand the motivations and goals of islamic groups and many muslim individuals worldwide you've got to go to that literature but that doesn't mean it has any historical value it's like we could be discussing macbeth and we would say macbeth said this and that uh and his wife says out damn spot that's the only thing i can remember anyway uh but that doesn't mean that any of it really happened it's a story right compare it to moses like you mentioned i mentioned before moses was i don't know supposed to be like 1200 bc or something like that but nobody knows if there was a moses and we don't have records from 1200 bc but judaism certainly you know believes all all of these stories and uh the orthodox anyway they you know they're very keen on the mosaic law and and everything whether or not there was a moses so you're absolutely right i mean whether or not there was a mohammed gazillions of muslims believe it and take you know to take the story seriously and and the the the the conventional view of muhammad is he was a warrior there's no getting away from that and yeah it's all over the text a funny thing uh years ago when the first edition of did muhammad exist came out uh david wood and i did a debate with anjem chowdhury and omar bhakri uh and chowdhury is a jihad preacher in britain and bakri had been but he had actually left the country and then they didn't let him back in uh one of the few jihadis that britain hasn't let in and uh anyway bhakri and anjum chowdhury were discussing this with us and they they both said it of course muhammad existed it's in the quran oh yeah that's definitive proof right right you've been doing this for a long time robert and you went through a lot i mean yes for a long time and you've had your troubles i mean we you know we were basically under salt and garland you were poisoned you had an illness not that long ago and you're still chicken away you're still going strong and here you mean i i see you tonight you're as sharp as you've ever been and i i believe you're gonna still continue it but what what just keeps you going what is the what's what's the thing that just tells you i'm gonna keep going no matter what i'm sorry i'm stubborn and ornery same here uh no seriously look um this is a big threat you don't need to know much in order to understand that right open the quran you'll see oh this is a big threat uh look at the history of islam that not many people know here get this book the history of jihad yes available now anyway um not many people know that history but if you knew it you'd see the they never give up they just keep coming what makes us think we're going to be exempt and there are very few people as you know bosh they're very few people and fewer all the time who are willing to discuss these matters so if we don't what's what kind of a world are we gonna leave for those who come after us uh uh so i never uh i never hesitate it's it seems like this this has to be done and uh also i'm a very peculiar individual i have i'm fascinated by it all and you know the quran just as a matter of interest and so there you go we're lucky to have you that's all yeah oh absolutely absolutely grateful to the you know to your courageous stand against this you know evil your greatest menace but uh but um i mean you've probably read some of iran's books at at one point or or another uh goodness years ago i read atlas shrugged right i thought that's a tremendous point that's really wildly imaginative and yeah a lot of wisdom in that it was uh very impressive yeah i agree and um you know she's she stood up against the left i think i think ludwig von mises once called the most courageous man in america or you know or something like that but the i don't love that also yeah yeah she did but the quote i'm thinking of and i can't maybe you remember the wording bosh but iron man said something like i'm not brave enough to be a coward yes uh because she saw the consequences of not fighting against the communists or you know the consequences in germany i'm not fighting against national socialism and i can understand that so it takes tremendous courage to stand up against these these murderers who could kill you for drawing muhammad or speaking out against islam and yet you're right robin if we don't then we're gonna eventually we're just gonna be forced into submission which is the whole goal of of uh islam worldwide as you've made very clear and you know i want to be able to sleep at night so if i thought well you know i'm not going to do this because it's risky and i'll just become a i don't know you know go be a walmart greeter or something um i uh i wouldn't be able to sleep i would feel like well this this has come and it's happening and i'm not doing what i can to stave it off and so i bear some of that responsibility that's more than i'm more responsibility than i'm willing to take on yeah and there are at least a few hundred people killed every single week by this jihad that is never reported that's really even discussed on on the media i mean what what's the last media mainstream media news channel that has had you on i mean uh fox in 2017 2017. i was on cnn uh a few times before that but nothing since then in 2017 fox people talk about fox changing in 2020 but it actually started before that right right and you should speak to our agencies also our governmental agencies like the fbi and cia but that has been a long time since 2010 in 2010 it was already bad uh one of the last times i went i kind of brought this on myself but i trust you will understand why um i spoke at a military base and i used to go fairly regularly and speak to fbi spoke to the cia a few times which is a lot of fun and to military bases and i would teach them about the koran and muhammad so they would understand the mindset of the jihadis very basic you got to know your enemy so i went to this one base and i won't name it uh and the colonel there who was in charge of the base he actually he met with me this is the only time i met with the commanding officer and he was very nice i thought isn't this great you know i'm talking to this colonel and it was kind of exciting and he said uh we're so glad that you've come here we're very eager to hear what you have to say and i just want to make sure you don't tell anybody you were here you know that's just the kind of thing that's that's just the kind of thing nobody should say to me because then i'm gonna just do the opposite so uh actually there were a couple of officers on the base who disagreed with that perspective and didn't like the idea of the us military it was explicitly he said because of care the council on american islamic relations which is a hamas-linked muslim brotherhood linked group they were afraid they would complain and so they didn't want us they didn't want to say anything and so i thought why should the military be cow towing to this hamas group this is supposed to be the us military man yeah have some spine so really yeah i i got a couple of the uh the officers who were on my side they agreed to take a picture with me and i don't think we even noticed it was careless i admit that we didn't even notice at least i didn't the insignia of the base was behind us in the picture so when i put the picture up at jihad watch sure enough there came care and complained and said isn't it terrible that spencer spoke at this military base and they got a big petition going i couldn't believe it they got jesse jackson to sign a petition that i should not be allowed to train in the military jesse jackson jesse jackson i thought he wanted to keep hope alive that's right right anyway the thing is is that i shot myself in the foot in a certain sense because i did end up getting uh banned from the fbi from from all the all counter-terror training in the government and the uh muslim advocates group which is still very influential and along with care and actually 57 muslim and asian organizations they wrote to john brennan who was in the homeland security department at that time and demanded that i by name that i'd be removed and brandon immediately wrote back saying oh yes we'll not only get rid of this guy but and all the material they they had the truth about muhammad actually in the training and they they took that out and they said we will also remove all mention of islam and jihad from counter-terror training and so that's the way it's been since 2011 that even to this day you you want to go into the fbi and study to to fight jihad terrorists they won't tell you a thing about gmail terrorists you might learn it on your own but you ain't going to learn it in the feds because they're pretending it doesn't exist wow yeah let me let me switch gears here a little bit you know and com the comparison and contrast between uh christianity and islam because the christian world went through a renaissance period and an enlightenment and became much more tolerant of other religions in fact it was christians or at least lukewarm christians like james madison and thomas jefferson who really spearheaded your principles of religious freedom not just tolerance but religious freedom my first amendment to the us constitution is now with islam there was a golden age of islam in the middle ages that was really great there was a lot of advances made under islamic aegis in mathematics and astronomy and medicine and literature and you know and is is that is it possible do you see any any signs of hope that islam the islamic world might go through a renaissance and ultimately an enlightenment are there people in the islamic world to speak it out in favor of reason and and religious freedom or who don't get killed don't get killed there are some but they do get killed or they get threatened and they go into hiding uh there was a reformer in sudan in the 1980s mahmoud muhammad taha who uh was teaching that the koran's peaceful passages which there aren't really that many to start with were uh should take precedence over the violent ones and he was executed by the sudanese government as a heretic from islam this is what happens if you're a genuine reformer there are some people who've spoken out and they have gotten threatened so uh it's also important to keep in mind that a lot of that golden age business that's propaganda it's not real the islamic golden age was not really all that golden it was brass at best it was a time of intellectual advance much of which not all but much came from the subjugated people the jews and christians in the early islamic caliphates did a great deal in many areas and a lot of that is now attributed to islam as if it came from islam didn't even come from muslims there were great islamic philosophers but they were declared heretics al-ghazali who was also a great islamic philosopher wrote a book called the incoherence of the philosophers where he explains that philosophy is against the quran and you have to just go by the quran so there also in terms of tolerance a lot of people think there was a golden age in which jews christians and muslims all lived together in peace and harmony in medieval spain that's completely false it was all uh based on the subjugation of the jews and christians all based on their having second class status uh and if they didn't accept that status then they would be executed so the golden age wasn't all that golden to start with there are positive signs nowadays one of them is that there are hundreds of thousands of ex-muslims who don't have the courage and it's understandable they don't want to come out and say they're ex-muslim because they're in iran or somewhere will immediately be killed and so uh but they're they're not necessarily going to fight for islam if it comes down to their uh being asked to yeah people like ayan uh what's her name ali heresy ali uh who's you know but she had to come to the west right i mean if she had stayed in somalia she probably i'm guessing she would have been killed in somalia and said the things she says she would have been killed you know you we would never have heard of her because of the west that uh she's become famous and she's a problematic case in many ways actually because she said she left islam and then later after saying she left islam she wrote a book about reform in islam yes and then she got in bed with um nawaz yeah i know yeah it's a very glib book too it's very easy to talk about reform non-muslims and make them think oh everything's gonna be okay but they just end up becoming as i said before complacent uh the idea that islam can reform when there's a death penalty for apostasy and heresy well it's never happened in history maybe it'll happen in the future i don't know the future but right there's no idea that there can be there's no basis in the intellectual framework of islam for there to be widespread reform and have it be accepted and the reformers not being having the the threat of death over their heads at all times and those who cite the islamic golden eagles they don't they don't discuss what what ended that age yeah i mean i mean like like why didn't it continue and why does it continue today 2021 why is there no islamic because you know and then they just basically the uh the ones who took it seriously were in more control so so whatever deviations happened they just took they just ran them right over and just became what they were i mean which is terrible for what hundreds i mean well thousands of years now but um it's 800 years islam has been in the dark age i mean house no again on the comparison and contrast between christianity and islam and christianity's ability to go through a you know christian europe go go through a renaissance and an enlightenment uh christianity places a lot of emphasis on an individual soul so so that somebody you know the the the church like burn you at the stake for disagreeing with its orthodoxy but the same time there's this emphasis on the individual soul that gave uh reformers at least a chance you know people like albertus magnus and thomas aquinas who reintroduced aristotle into the you know during the medieval renaissance um so so i think that really helped uh christianity become you know much you know much freer and and yeah you know the the christian lands become much freer is is there any belief in the in individual solvent islam and you could stand up independently and you know and and question the orthodoxy like thomas aquinas did and albertus magnus did during the height of the catholic church's power and live and triumph is no it's very collective uh it's not that they would deny outright that there is the individual but the individual doesn't have any rights the only thing that has any rights is allah and muhammad and islam so if you stand up against islam then you have to be killed uh it's the same ideas what's behind honor killing that you you have a daughter who is violating the tenets of islam that reflects on you even though see she doesn't have an individual soul that's separate from yours you're all you're you're all one family and it's the same thing with the ummah the global islamic community you have to kill the apostate because he reflects poorly on your own honor because you're all one thing and so you have to kill the girl because she's reflecting on the honor of the family you have to kill the apostate because he's reflecting on the honor of the um everybody has to submit in all the same way so the collective has a much greater role in islam than in christianity yeah that's one of the one of the real um what real progressive and positive elements of christianity is the emphasis on the individual soul which enables um you know somebody to stand up for independent thinking to have an integrity commitment to my own principles even if i'm going against the orthodoxy and a lot of people got burned at the stake for it but ultimately brought about real positive reforms in christianity i don't know you know i had this problem i'm not you know i'm as secular as anybody could be but i have this real problem with american leftists who constantly criticize christianity you know as as if as if it was the danger where whereas they themselves to me are the danger and and islam christianity is there any what's their name the westboro baptist church maybe wants to you know kill homosexuals and then but they're then they're lunatic fringe christianity and american mainstream christians denounce them i mean is there any mainstream christians who want to engage in a holy war or kill infj you know kill the infidels or i don't know i don't know of a single one no and uh that's also something that made for the enlightenment that you've been discussing because yeah there were heretics who were burned at the stake but the very idea that such people should be executed is not in the christian scriptures it comes later in the states in europe that thought that because this is a christian state the heretic is a is an enemy of the state which is a very islamic idea but it's not actually intrinsic to christianity and it's not in the new testament so it was very easy for other christians to say no we should not execute these people and maybe they have something good to say and they would give them refuge in their lands and so on and so uh this multiplicity of perspectives was able to grow but in islam precisely because of this death penalty for heresy and for apostasy there's never been reform and it's going to be very difficult for it ever to gain yeah yeah no i see i see your point i don't know anywhere in the gospels where jesus says you'll kill the non-believers or kill the infidels or kill those who question uh the the orthodoxy whereas on islam it's very different submission you just you just have to you just have to have to submit so again you can see why christianity made all these advances from endless warfare and burning people at the stake and protestant catholic wars of the 16th century to a civilized world now whereas islam is just i i hope i hope that could happen i don't see the basis in the in the philosophy take it it would take like a revolution uh to overthrow their philosophy to tell you why your friends there will criticize christianity but they'll never criticize this long uh bart airman is a new testament scholar and he's written a lot of books about jesus and about christianity uh a kind of revisionist historical revisionist view of christianity similar to what i did for islam and did muhammad exist and i don't think bart airman knows i exist though not that he needs to but he was asked once when are you going to do this for islam the same historical revisionism and he said no what they i'm sorry i'm getting the story wrong said why don't you do the same thing for islam and he said because i want to live yeah that's a good answer there's something if i just speak to something in terms of how poisonous islam can be even to those who don't really observe it even to muslims who don't really observe which is i was raised by albanian muslim parents in new york and we didn't read the quran my mother had a quran that was in arabic she couldn't read arabic just have it on the shelf but the jew the jew hatred the misogyny was as hardcore as anything jews were considered the earth hitler was admired by my family and then i got death threats from muslims from engineers from pop stars from all and basically these are just average muslims these are not jihadists they're not out there they won't probably act on their threats at least most of them but it's just the poison the poisonous of the ideology of the religion and to those who don't even observe it to those who haven't even studied their own religion and that i think that speaks to just the the evil of the of the corps at the core where these people can actually tell an artist i want to rape you and i want to murder you and islam is a religion of peace and they say this literally that's why i have my books peaceful death threats because i have many of those which just tell me how peaceful it is and how much they're going to murder me and bring me you know this one i have a question for you yeah that wanted to ask you for six years and haven't had the chance and that was at garland you said a lot of this and i thought that was fascinating i thought that was an extraordinary point but my question is you grew up i remember in the bronx when i lived there myself there was the albanian community and they all lived in the same area and the italians lived in the same area and they would get baseball bats and swing away at each other and so on it's so civilized[Laughter] the tribes life and the life in the bronx yeah and i would pass by and hope that uh nobody noticed me but anyway um my question to you is in the albanian community did anybody ever say well wait a minute this we we shouldn't be anti-semitic or we shouldn't admire hitler no wasn't just your family in other words no and the only ones who did were the younger generation who who learned about the holocaust who learned about these things who had jewish friends which i did as well and that was the only thing that was going to contrast away from home we were we were just in a more civilized world and that's what got me out of islam in my mid teens but we did you know we only went to moss once twice a year we went to brooklyn mosque i don't know why maybe there wasn't one in brooklyn in bronx but then the imam was there i'm sorry there is now yes oh no doubt about it now exactly we went there and it was the arab imam and he was doing all the sounds and all the movements because we we just had to follow everything he did because you know if we did we you know we wouldn't know what we were doing and this is how serious my family took some time we're farting in the middle of it and the imam was getting really pissed off and i was getting pissed myself because i was like this is a serious thing here what the hell you guys doing you know because you at least when you're still muslim even if you're not really practicing muslim you still want to take these things pretty seriously and then yeah happen in the middle uh they were farting making sounds in the middle of the prayers prayer i'm sorry that according to islamic law that invalidated me that's right that's right because he thought he had to start over that's right but they didn't know that abbasi they're not they're not knowledgeable about their own religion so they didn't know that but he was getting pissed and then on top of we go outside and meet my brother you know you look at me i'm redhead my my brothers are blonde and this one the cause of ours hitler would have loved you guys he would have loved you and you know what just one question i have you also said is that he pronounced his name yeah he had the hypnomaster now did he have it after hitler or before or before hitler because i know he was a fan of him i can't remember offhand seeing any photos of him from before so i know he had it after after 1966 by nasser and their pictures of him in prison he still got it yeah so it's not as if he thought uh well hitler did all these abominable things i mean i remember one of palestinians saying something about hitler goes hitler was good but he didn't do enough meaning he didn't kill all jews yeah that was that was his point yeah now the the you know jews are people of the book like you were saying before robert so this intense jew hatred is this stem from the founding of the state of israel in uh in 1948 or does it go back uh much much further historically all the way back uh chapter 5 verse 82 of the quran says the worst enemies of the muslims are the jews and the quran is full of anti-semitism of passages about how terrible the jews are how they scheme against the muslims how they uh kill the prophets how the centers of babes and pigs what's that oh yeah yeah a lot transforms them into apes and pigs uh because of their disobedience and so if you don't know anything i mean you only have this as your moral compass then you're going to grow up thinking these are sort of sub-human uh semi-human evil beasts and that's how many muslims do regard as a matter of fact you know you mentioned ion before and she says uh in one of her books that uh she met when she went to europe she met jews and was sort of shocked that they were just ordinary people like everybody else she was expecting to see these very sinister looking sub-human type half people wow i didn't realize that that intense jew hatred goes all the way back oh yeah that's why they hate israel see a lot of people have it the wrong way around right i think that uh muslims are anti-semitic because of israel actually muslims hate israel because they're anti-semitic exactly right wow wow okay well this has been a cheery topic uh-huh boss you have you have any any more questions for our guests i think we've i think we've exposed the truth about islam i think we have i mean robert is uh you know he's my go-to guy for the last two decades i mean i've read everything he's written uh i still visit jihad watch i um i just want to thank you for for doing what you do robert because i gotta say when this scourge is ended uh you will be one of the heroes who actually uh uh led it i really i believe because it intellectually it's the intellectuals who will actually end up doing it because then when it goes into finally into our government into our military and they start acting on this that's why i think this thing will uh will finally go down and it has to it has to in a nuclear age it must yeah robert i know i agree with what bosh said you're you're a world-class scholar on islam so i want to thank you for coming on the show and i think you know you're welcome i think for the audience i think this has been uh enormously illuminating as to the to the truth about islam and again you know i i have i have one of robert's books here the truth about muhammad founder of the world's most intolerant religion i strongly recommend anybody who wants to learn the truth about islam to read robert spencer and um again thank you robin and ambassador yeah and and i second what boss said i think you're standing up again speaking the truth about islam i think is a very heroic is very heroic act so i'm with you know thank you for that uh for your courage robert and i think bash we've had i think this has been a a good show i think this was great i think i think this would have been enough to get us kicked off youtube if if they hadn't already sure if they had it so so is robert's paul is that what you're saying no no i think send me you know and i'll put it on my youtube channel and we'll see how long it is yeah that's right right right but we he asked the youtube channel it's not like i've lost anything so uh we'll see what we do in our six previous shows we did everything under the sun that would you know what i would make leftist head explode election fraud yeah election fraud oh yeah that was that was that was enough to do it guilty conscience and they're trying to cover things up absolutely absolutely right there's lectures election fraud one also we absolutely destroyed the agw hypothesis on one show and showed that climate change is natural and warming is is good we are chasing hill right yeah yeah jason hill culture yeah right by rumble we're going to get on there yes yeah good okay and now will have videos they d they deep sixth i hope you have them somewhere we do yeah yeah they're all they're all archived on rumble all all six of them right now so robert thank you again truly uh it was it was great to have you great to see you again um yeah always is always great great pleasure and um sometime me too me too it was robert it was great to meet you virtually and uh your wealth of information on this topic so thanks very much for coming on the show and uh and hopefully we can do it again sometime in the future call me anytime thanks robert thanks robert you are very well because everybody have a good night out there in freedom of speech land because bashar and i are going to continue standing up for freedom of speech against all of its enemies the leftists uh the jihadists or the islam and on the times when you know religious conservatives in the united states want to want to ban freedom of speech we're going to speak out against them too so have a good night everybody we'll be back on truth in politics next week or bonsoir