Chain Reaction
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Chain Reaction
The Art and Science of Effective Decision Making
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What guides your toughest decisions? Are you relying on gut instinct, careful analysis, or something in between?
Decision making shapes everything from our breakfast choices to business strategies that impact millions. In this thought-provoking exploration, we examine the frameworks governing how we make choices that determine our paths. Beyond simple pros and cons lists, we dive into advanced techniques used by strategic thinkers: decision trees that map possibilities, Bayesian thinking that evolves with new information, Pareto analysis that focuses on high-impact choices, and even the pre-mortem method that helps identify pitfalls before they occur.
Drawing wisdom from thought leaders like Daniel Kahneman, Peter Drucker, and Malcolm Gladwell, we unpack the distinction that transforms ordinary decision makers into exceptional ones - understanding that efficiency (doing things right) must be balanced with effectiveness (doing the right things). A car plant might efficiently produce vehicles nobody wants, or a company might swiftly deliver unwanted inventory. Without customer focus, even perfect execution fails. As Drucker famously noted, a business exists to create customers, making customer-centric decision making essential.
Whether you're facing personal crossroads or steering organizational strategy, this episode provides frameworks to elevate your decision quality. The insights extend beyond individual choices to encompass how organizations evolve, change, and adapt in challenging environments. Decision making isn't just a momentary action - it's a skill refined through experience, reflection, and wisdom.
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About Tony Hines and the Chain Reaction Podcast – All About Supply Chain Advantage
I have been researching and writing about supply chains for over 25 years. I wrote my first book on supply chain strategies in the early 2000s. The latest edition is published in 2024 available from Routledge, Amazon and all good book stores. Each week we have special episodes on particular topics relating to supply chains. We have a weekly news round up every Saturday at 12 noon. ...
Introduction to Decision Making
Speaker 1Hello, tony Hines, here You're listening to Chain Reaction. Well, thanks for dropping by. We've got a very interesting program for you today. I hope you're going to enjoy it. And it's all about well, what's the most important, pressing thing that you face daily? Yeah, decision making. So how do you do it? How do you set about that task? Well, stick around and find out.
Speaker 1Great decision making, of course, starts with great wisdom. And here are a few very powerful quotes to inspire and motivate us to make a thoughtful choice. Theodore Roosevelt said in any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing and the worst thing you can do is nothing. Waldo Emerson said once you make a decision, the universe conspires to make it happen. Tony Robbins said it's in your moments of decision that your destiny is shaped. And Jerzy Gregorek said hard choices, easy life, easy choices, hard life. Each one speaks to different aspects of decision making Action, trust, consequence and discipline. Which one resonates most with you?
Speaker 1Well, here's a perennial question that pops up when we talk about decision-making Is it an art or a science? An art would suggest that we have to bring judgments into the process which are outside the scientific realm, not just purely knowledge, but we act on whims, intuition, emotions as well as the rational. Making decisions is both a powerful thing to do and it's also a burden. And we grow up making decisions All through our lives, up making decisions All through our lives. We make decisions. So, whether you're facing a life-changing choice or simply picking what to eat for breakfast, it's a decision we take. It shapes our path in unexpected ways, and we often talk about decisions in relation to strategies. We think about pros and cons of what we're doing. It's a classic approach. We sit down, we write down the decision that we're making and then we look at a list of for's and against's and we select options. It gives us some options. If we do this, there are these pros, there are these cons, and then we can have scenarios where we put ourselves into some kind of future imagination.
Speaker 1Picture yourself five years from now. It's that classic interview question, isn't it? Where do you see yourself five years from now? Well, nobody can really answer that question. It's a very difficult question to address and I never understood it. Really, I don't know what the interviewer was hoping to gain by asking somebody to put themselves five years in the future.
Speaker 1What choice would make you proud? What would you regret? You can ask those sorts of things. Then there's the gut feel Intuition some call it. Intuition speaks louder than logic. If something feels right or wrong, pay attention. And then we look at the worst or best case scenario. If you're afraid to make a choice, consider the worst possible outcome. Can you handle it if it all goes wrong? And then we might think about the small step method. If a choice feels overwhelming, try breaking it down into smaller actions before fully committing. It's a kind of test approach. Let's do this. But of course there are statements and long-lived sayings that say fortune favours the brave. So we're expected to make a big step if we want to change something, rather than small steps, which might seem a little bit like pussyfooting around and being ineffective. Are you facing any tricky decisions at the moment? Well, think about them while you listen to this episode. I hope it throws some light on the decisions we take.
Approaches to Making Decisions
Speaker 1Most times, when you ask people about decision making, they might come up with a list of tools or techniques that they used to understand these pros and cons or the decisions that they're taking, and some of the most advanced techniques used by many of the strategists when they're making decisions are things like decision trees, where they visually map out choices, probabilities and outcomes and weigh up options objectively, and it's a great method when you're dealing with uncertainty and we know there's always plenty of uncertainty around from all sorts of directions. And then Bayesian thinking. This involves updating your beliefs as you receive new evidence and, just like scientists do, we weigh up the probabilities involved in taking a particular decision. So, instead of sticking to a decision rigidly, you refine the perspective and that's based on the information you receive as the decision is in process. So as new information emerges, you take it into account in your decision through Bayesian thinking. Then there's that Pareto analysis and you know I always bang on about Pareto because I think it's a really good selection tool.
Speaker 1Looking at the 80-20 rule, focusing on choices that will bring the most benefit, the 80% with only 20% of the effort, so small amounts of resources perhaps needed to get an 80% outcome. Prioritize actions that have the highest impact with the least amount of energy spent on the decision. And then we have things like game theory, developed and used in economics and negotiations. The technique will help you anticipate how others might react to your decision, and it's great for strategic decision making, business moves or even social dilemmas. There'll be a lot of game theory going on at the moment with the US trade policies and the actions taken by the US government. And then there's things like Monte Carlo simulation, and simulation is a great way to understand what's going on. Why not simulate the event, the situation, and then use statistical technique models that weigh up the potential outcomes, based on randomness and probability? It's a useful way to assess risk, especially in finance, project management and engineering.
Advanced Decision-Making Techniques
Speaker 1And then there's this notion of second-order thinking. Instead of just asking what happens if I do this, ask and then what? What's next? So you think through several steps ahead, considering both the immediate and long-term effects of your decision, and understand the consequences of what the decision might bring. And there's something called the pre-mortem method. Imagine your decision has failed. Why did it go wrong? Identify potential pitfalls beforehand, help prevent disaster later. And that's an interesting one, because if we think about that pre-mortem method and trying to understand a failure might lead us to make a better decision. Think about what the pitfalls could be before they happen. And that's where things like in the supply chain, we have digital twins to help us understand. Digital twins, of course, course, are a simulation method. We're simulating what's happening in real time in the real supply chain, and it's a great tool to do so, but, of course, it can be expensive and I have a special episode on digital twins which you may want to listen to. And we could apply that pre-mortem method, we could apply second order thinking, we could apply all the techniques and tools that we've just talked about to understand our decision making and that might help us make better decisions.
Speaker 1When it comes to decision-making, you'll find many resources and books to help you with the process. Some, of course, tackle a particular aspect of decision-making, or they're focused in a particular style of decision-making, or they tackle a problem and take you through the problem to help you understand decision making. When it comes to my own book on supply chain strategies, I have lots of tools and techniques contained within the book that will help you with making decisions related to supply chains. So if you work in supply chains, you may want to have a look at that one. But there are also many resources, many books out there, and there are six highly regarded books, the popular books, which I just want to draw your attention to in case you want to find out more.
Speaker 1After listening to our discussion today, you will have heard of Daniel Kahneman thinking fast and slow, and he took a look at two modes of thinking. Fast, intuitive decision-making versus slow, deliberate reasoning, where we gather lots of data and analyze deeply and I don't know if you've noticed recently lots of data and analyzed deeply, and I don't know if you've noticed recently, but things like Microsoft Copilot and ChatGPT have routings for giving a response. They're very fast anyway, aren't they? But they quite often say do you want a quick decision or deeper thinking? And I think that's interesting. By the way, both types of response, whether it's quick or deep in the case of AI tools, are still very, very fast. I can't believe quite how fast they can be sometimes, but if you look at thinking fast and slow, kahneman draws our attention in this book to the cognitive biases that influence our decision-making, and it's well worth a read. Anything by a Nobel-winning laureate is worth a read, isn't it, of course?
Speaker 1The second book is Decisive how to Make Better Choices in Life and Work, and this is an interesting book. Looking at a wider range of decisions. It offers four-step processes to improve decision-making, helping readers to avoid common pitfalls and make confident choices. And then one of my favorite books is by Barry Schwartz, which is the Paradox of Choice why More is Less. It explores how too many options can lead to paralysis when it comes to making a decision and how you can simplify choices to improve happiness.
Recommended Books on Decision Making
Speaker 1There's a word and deficiency, a provocative title by Olivia Saborni You're About to Make a Terrible Mistake and that focuses again on biases that distort decision-making, with strategies to counteract flawed thinking and improve judgment. I like the title of this one too, and I've met a lot of people who responded to questions I've asked over the years. Mistakes were made, but not by me Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson. They examine self-justification and how people rationalize poor decisions, offering insights in how to correct course. And then, of course, malcolm Gladwell Blink. That was quite an interesting book the Power of Thinking Without Thinking the Power of Thinking Without Thinking. It explores rapid cognition and how snap judgments can be surprisingly accurate or yeah, you've guessed it dangerously flawed. And if you think about rapid decision making, it's not just slow and fast decision making that's important, it's effective decision making, and I like Occam's razor when I look at the evidence gathered in front of me weighing the decision up. It's often the simplest explanation that has something to offer and that can inform our decision-making process too.
Speaker 1When I reflect back to earlier times, I think when I was a young man, studying and learning formally and entering management posts in different businesses, I was always keen on tools and techniques that could help, and I read lots of books that would have particular techniques and tools in them that I could learn, almost like a support prop, so that when I wanted to make a decision, I could use critical path analysis. I could draw a decision tree yes, no, yes, no. Branch. I could work probabilities, I could use statistics to help me. There's an 80% chance of this and a 20% chance of this happening. Which way should I go? What's the best outcome? The best outcome Based on the maths, so you would look for those techniques that could help and of studying finance early on as part of my economics degree, it was interesting because I was studying what was happening in the real world.
Speaker 1I was taking data from the real world and bringing it into my equations, my tool sets, my techniques, and using particular approaches Things like the capital asset pricing model to determine how share prices, for example, moved with the market or didn't, using that beta analysis, if you're familiar with it, and I would do things looking at those covariances to help me so I could use those particular tools. I made sure I had the toolkit to begin with, but as I got further in my career I suppose I relied less on the toolkits and less on the techniques. I knew they were there, should I need them, but I didn't always reach for them immediately. And so what did I do? Well, I became more thoughtful and I looked at other things surrounding a decision. So if I was asked to a strategy meeting and we were talking about strategy, I wouldn't necessarily just go straight to the pest analysis and say political, economic, social, technological factors, let's list them all, let's prioritise and take it that way. I would think about in a more, I suppose, deeper way about how they interacted. So it was the interactions of those things that became far more important than just those lists. And you see it I mean I saw it as a university professor when I was teaching strategy to groups of students or we were having discussions about strategy Many were, like me, looking for tools and techniques.
Efficiency vs. Effectiveness
Speaker 1The earlier me that is not the now me and others were more thoughtful in their approach and perhaps showed a wisdom or a maturity beyond the years, realizing that the tools and techniques, those toolkits, were not going to get them through on their own. I think back to Peter Drucker's books on management, and I remember quite early on, being taken with a particular phrase in one of those management books by Drucker I think it was in an article as well that he wrote where he's talking about strategy, and he said efficiency is doing things right, effectiveness is doing the right things, and I've taken that as a very key focus in everything that I've worked on when it comes to strategy, and you'll find it quoted in my book when I talk about supply chains we can do all the right things, but if we're not effective, that's no good. It's about being effective by doing the right things. So, efficiency we can do things right, we can get all those costs down, we can get smoother processes, we can take time out of them, all those steps, but unless they're effective in achieving our goals, for example, it's not sufficient. It's necessary but not sufficient.
Speaker 1Effectiveness, on the other hand, is doing the right things, how to be effective, and that isn't always necessarily focusing on efficiency. You have to get the balance here and you have to understand. Yes, efficiency is important. We want to be efficient, but effectiveness doing the right thing is both necessary and sufficient. Efficiency is doing things right. It's rather like those tools I talked about a second ago tools and techniques. We can learn all the tools and techniques and and very precisely following the rules for the tools and the techniques learn them. But is that going to be sufficient? Are we going to be effective? Well, not always. If we don't use the right tools for the right problem. Or indeed, even if we do use the right tools, we might not be effective because the problem demands something else.
Speaker 1Effectiveness is doing the right things, and there's a critical distinction here in decision making and in business strategy. Let's break that down Efficiency is about optimising processes, making things faster, cheaper and smoother, and effectiveness is about making sure you're focusing on the right goals, not just executive tasks, and doing them precisely or well. It's one of the reasons that my Supply Chain Strategies book has a subtitle that says Demand Driven and Customer Focused, because the effectiveness comes from focusing on that subtitle Demand driven, customer focused. If we stay customer focused, we're going to be effective because we'll know what the customer wants. But supply chain strategies also have to be efficient. So we're both efficient in doing things right and we're effective in doing the right things.
Speaker 1Imagine a car plant where they're manufacturing vehicles and you're improving the assembly line, speeding up production, reducing cost. That's efficiency. But if they're producing a model that nobody wants, all that efficiency is wasted and we've wasted all the resources that make up the product. So if we can't sell the resources that make up the product, so if we can't sell the product, we can be efficient in making it can be great, but we can't sell Effectiveness would be ensuring they're making the right product in the first place. Do we know what the customer wants? And hence that's why customer focus is important.
Speaker 1Let's take another example. A company might streamline its supply chain so deliveries arrive faster, and that's efficient. But if the items arrive faster aren't the ones in highest demand? That doesn't help us. It gives us a problem, in fact, because we've got to store things that aren't moving through and out to customers. Effectiveness would mean understanding market needs and adjusting inventory flows accordingly. We want to balance the inventory coming in with the demand that the customers make on the organisation's goods and services. A CEO may hold efficient meetings that are quick, well organised, but if those meetings focus on minor issues how many paperclips you've got in a cupboard, whether the stationary supplies are up to speed rather than the big picture strategy that you haven't got the resources to make the products that are in demand they're not effective.
Speaker 1Making the right decisions for the company's future is what truly matters. In short, efficiency is about how well you execute a task, while effectiveness is about whether the task itself is worthwhile, and the good decision makers have to balance both. To be effective in business today, it's essential to be customer-focused, and to be efficient, it's essential that we do not only things right, but we do the right things. In other words, we spend our time on the right things, creating customers, developing products and services that customers want. It's no good creating the best widget in the world most efficiently if nobody wants it, and we should always remember that. Peter Drucker, of course, also quite famously said that the objective for a business was to create a customer, and that is where the idea of customer-centric approaches to strategy were in development.
Speaker 1Well, that's it for this episode. I hope you've enjoyed it, I hope you've learned something by listening and I hope it stimulated you to think about the way you make decisions in your organization, and perhaps you'll think differently about making those decisions in future as a result of this discussion today. There's much to learn, and I always think that making decisions is a learning experience. It's something we have to do and it's something that's a skill that we can get better at by learning from our experiences in the process of making decisions. If you've enjoyed this episode, then go and have a listen to some of the other decision-making episodes, where I discuss things like heuristics and particular types of decision, and an episode I did some time back called All Change, which is about how organizations change for the better or not for the better, and that's linked as well. Many of the episodes are linked in some way to these general sets of ideas, and so I commend you to go and have a listen.
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