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Hormuz Under Fire
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Seven ships attacked in a week. Twelve mariners killed. When violence flares in the Strait of Hormuz, it is not a distant headline for supply chain and trade watchers, it is a direct threat to maritime traffic, energy security, and the price of everyday goods. We walk through what the latest Gulf shocks signal for global shipping, from rerouting risk to the real-world strain crews face when a chokepoint turns hostile.
From there, we connect the dots to the economics: war risk insurance premiums, higher freight costs, and the difficult choice many companies are already making between riding volatile spot rates or locking in higher priced contracts just to regain certainty. We talk through why oil prices matter so much, how a jump in Brent crude quickly becomes higher transport costs, and why those costs eventually show up as inflation that households and businesses cannot escape.
We also take a hard look at a historical parallel President Trump has publicly rejected: Herbert Hoover. Drawing on foreign correspondent Richard Engel’s conversation with University of Chicago professor Robert A. Pape, we outline a stage-based escalation model and the “fork in the road” between concession and deeper military escalation. The takeaway is blunt: a Hormuz disruption is a global economic event, and an energy shock can set the conditions for recession. If you value clear, practical analysis of geopolitics, global trade, and supply chain risk, subscribe, share the show, and leave a review.
Link to Richard Engel's discussion with Professor Robert Pape
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About Tony Hines and the Chain Reaction Podcast – All About Supply Chain Advantage
I have been researching and writing about supply chains for over 25 years. I wrote my first book on supply chain strategies in the early 2000s. The latest edition is published in 2024 available from Routledge, Amazon and all good book stores. Each week we have special episodes on particular topics relating to supply chains. We have a weekly news round up every Saturday at 12 noon. ...
Welcome And What We Cover
Tony HinesHello, you're listening to Chain Reaction. I'm Tony Hines. It's great to have you along. Thanks for dropping by. Hope you're gonna enjoy the episode. Stay tuned, stick around, stay informed. Well, in the weekly briefing this week, we're gonna take a look at what's happening in the Gulf, particularly in the Straits of Hormuz, and what it means for the Middle East and what it means for maritime traffic coming through the strait. Is the peace deal on? Is it off? Is it off? Is it on? Well, we all wanna know, don't we? And in the second part of this weekly briefing, we're gonna compare systematically
Ship Attacks And Peace Deal Doubts
Tony Hinesthe legacy of the current president against someone he often references, which is Hoover. So stick around, stay tuned, stay informed, stay ahead with chain reaction. Well, seven ships have been attacked by Iran in the past week and twelve people, maritimers, have been killed in those attacks. So do we still have a memorandum of understanding? Or is that dead? Or is it a memorandum of non-understanding? That's what many say. Are we still in the sixty-day peace arrangement? Or has that ended? And is the full scale war back on? These are questions that need answers. The US has threatened to attack Iranian infrastructure and said it'll get worse unless Iran complies. Iran have made threats too. They've said they'll close other choke points, presumably meaning the Babalman Straits, which you might remember the Houthis closed last year. Well, no sooner did Donald Trump announce that he was going to blockade the Strait of Hormuz after the Iranian attacks on ships going through that strait in the past few days. He said he would charge twenty percent as a tariff, and that would pay for the protection. Acting a bit like a Don, wasn't he? Yeah, not a Don Donald, but a mafia don. Protection money. Very quickly changed his tune on this. Obviously the administrative process of actually collecting that toll is difficult, no doubt. And he's backtracked. So the tacos back. Of course this is absolutely of no help to mariners trying to sail through those Straits of Hormuz. It was back in February when we first had straightforward passage through the Straits of Hormuz, and shortly after that on the last day of February the twenty eighth, Israel and the United States attacked Iran. And that let loose a whole chaotic approach which hasn't resolved anything from what we can see. It's caused lots of damage, it's slowed world trade, and of course, the infrastructure damage in the Middle East is immense, as Iran, like a frightened dog, attacked all its neighbors. Of course, if the United States and Israel hadn't have attacked Iran on february twenty eighth, there'd be no holdups in the Straits of Hormuz, and they wouldn't have had to continue this war, which has lasted much longer, I think, than anybody ever expected. And Donald Trump's come out and said they've got no navy, he's got rid of all the navy, he's taken all the missile sites out, he's demolished the Air Force, they've got no planes, and yet here we are, Iran are still fighting, and they're still causing damage to other countries and to shipping in the Straits of Hormuz. So who do we believe? Iran, of course, is a hostile state, and they do bad things. But America's played the game just as badly. They've been egged on by Israel, and you do wonder who's in control here. Is Donald Trump in control or is the tail wagging the dog? Well, who knows? But certainly as far as global trade goes, this closure of the Strait of Horror Moose is very damaging, it's created uncertainty, and many shipping companies and many trading companies are now suggesting that they want more certainty, and if they want more certainty,
Insurance Surges And Supply Chain Stress
Tony Hinesthat might mean fixing contracts ahead of time, and it might mean negotiating prices that are slightly higher, but at least they're fixed and they know with some certainty what their costs are going to be. And that's what they're hoping for when they buy future contracts. Certainly the insurance premiums will go back up again as a result of the recent attacks, and that will add to everybody's cost. The shortages will continue of those critical products that have to travel through the Straits of Hormuz, and of course it puts shipping costs up everywhere because of this Middle East conflict. So the sooner it could be settled, the better. But it doesn't look like getting sorted any time soon. So all the costs are going to be inflationary. They're going to add to inflation, it means that household costs are going to continue to rise, it means that food prices will continue to rise, it means there will be shortages, oil prices will rise, they're already going back up as a result of the recent activity, and the hope we had a week or two back that this was all coming to an end has now been well and truly flattened. Brent crude oil prices have gone up to about eighty-five dollars a barrel. And that's from a return to a low base which was under seventy dollars a barrel. So that's just in the past couple of days. So fuel prices are on the rise. That means transport costs are on the rise. It means lots of uncertainty for hauliers and for all the people they contract with. For the time being, lots of those prices will remain fixed, but of course those costs cannot be absorbed forever, so that means they're going to push through the supply chain and they're going to come down to consumers. And consumers are going to end up paying a lot more money for food and anything they buy. Businesses too will find it difficult as they try to plan ahead, because their costs are going to be rising also. And they too cannot absorb those costs continuously. So how long is this war going to go on? No good asking Donald Trump because he doesn't know, and even if he did know, his estimates would be wildly out. Unfortunately, it comes down to the fact that we can't trust anything that comes out of the White House in North America these days, because we get a lot of fake news, don't we, coming out of the White House? We get told one thing, it's backtracked, we get told something else. That's false too, and nobody knows where they are. The uncertainty is proliferated by the statements that come out from the people we need to trust. Now President Trump is on the record as saying a number of times he doesn't want to be compared to Herbert Hoover. And you can see why. Hoover was President of the United States during the 1929 crash, the early Great Depression, a belief in limited federal intervention, and a perception of being slow to respond to cascading crises.
Oil Jumps And Inflation Spreads
Tony HinesTrump, of course, is acutely aware of this historical shadow, and he said he doesn't want a depression on his resume. But is that what he's gonna get? It's likely. And why? Well, it's all over Iran. The conflict in Iran, Trump's folly. In a recent commentary, foreign correspondent Richard Engel talked to Professor Robert A. Pape, and they outlined a comparison that deserves serious attention. The structural parallels between Herbert Hoover's crisis, which defined his presidency, and the escalatory pressures shaping Donald Trump's current geopolitical decisions. The discussion appears in Richard Engel's podcast episode Inside Iran Is the War About to Escalate? And I'll put the link in the notes. Pape is not a casual commentator. He's a professor of political science at the University of Chicago and director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats, a major research center whose empirical data sets and analysis are used by US government agencies, defense institutions, and global media. He previously taught at Harvard University, has advised the US Department of Defense and the US Air Force on coercive strategy and escalation modeling, and is the author of Bombing to Win, a foundational text in modern security studies. His work is widely cited, policy relevant, and grounded in decades of research on how crises intensify and how leaders make decisions under pressure. When someone with that level of expertise draws a Hoover Trump comparison, it's worth listening, and I'll try to summarize as best I can some of the arguments and what it means for global supply chains and policy. It isn't a personality comparison between President Trump and Herbert Hoover. It's a systems analysis and it highlights how leaders become defined by crises they can't fully control. Let's think about the
Why Trump Rejects The Hoover Parallel
Tony Hinescrisis in the two cases. Hoover inherited one, and Trump has amplified one, and in fact caused it probably, made it worse. Herbert Hoover entered office on the eve of the nineteen twenty nine crash. The economic collapse overwhelmed his administration and shaped his legacy. Donald Trump faces a different kind of systemic threat, one that analysts argue has been intensified by his own foreign policy actions, particularly in relation to Iran, the Gulf, and global energy markets. Recent reporting confirms that Iran has expanded uranium enrichment beyond sixty percent, a threshold repeatedly flagged by the International Atomic Energy Agency as a proliferation risk. Iran also maintains strategic leverage over the Strait of Hall Moose, through which roughly twenty percent of global oil flows pass, and disruption here has immediate global consequences. They're not abstract risks, they're structural realities. Like many strategists, Professor Pape has an escalation framework, where he talks about the fork in the road. It's a stage model of what happens. Professor Pape's analysis is grounded in a stage-based escalation model, a framework widely used in strategy studies to map how crises intensify, and his assessment of Trump's current decision is stark, and the two stages that were currently at this fork in the road is between stage three and stage four. In stage four, which Donald Trump appeared to be moving towards, the scenario is that the United States accepts a strategic setback, Iran retains some enriched uranium, supposedly not for military purposes, and Iran maintains effective control over the Strait of Hormuz. Iran emerges as the dominant regional power. The outcome is politically damaging for Trump, but it avoids war. It is stabilizing, but carries the optics of concession. Stage three is to escalate militarily. This is the dangerous pivot. The United States forces enter the theater, well they're already on there. Iran responds asymmetrically across the region. That's sort of happening. Gulf shipping becomes vulnerable, oil markets destabilize, inflation spikes worldwide, supply chains fracture, and a global recession becomes likely. And once a leader enters stage three, the probability of uncontrolled escalation rises sharply. This is a structural parallel of Hoover, a crash that could define a presidency. The global economic stakes and why analysts fear a 1929-style crash, a shock to the system. A conflict in the Gulf is not a regional war, it's a global economic event. Energy analysts have repeatedly warned that even partial disruption of the Strait of Hormuz would send oil prices soaring. Post-pandemic supply chains remain
Pape’s Fork In The Road Model
Tony Hinesfragile, meaning transport costs rise, manufacturing slows, inflationary pressure increases, central banks tighten, investment contracts, and emerging markets face currency crises. Historically, energy shocks have preceded recessions. A whore moose triggered shock would be larger and more complex. And this is why the discussion between Richard Engel and Professor Pape recognize that this matters. Hoover's crisis was financial. Trump's crisis is geopolitical, has implications for energy, and for financial markets. It's a cascading chain. And the direction of travel, the path we're on, escalation is becoming more likely. Several structural pressures are pushing the situation beyond stage three. Iran's growing regional influence, Gulf states recalibrating alliances between the US, China and Russia, US credibility concerns in deterrence, domestic political pressure to avoid appearing weak, and Trump's own statement signaling willingness to use force. He's made a number of statements saying he's going to use force. This combination makes escalation more likely than concession, even when leaders publicly deny the intention is to escalate. It could be a legacy defining moment for President Trump. Hoover's presidency was defined by a crisis he couldn't control. Trump's presidency may be defined by a crisis he helped to create and escalate. If the US-Iran confrontation moves into stage three, the world faces a potential Gulf War, an energy shock, a global recession, a legacy-defining moment for the current US President. This is not speculation, it's a structural reading of the geopolitical economic realities now in play. As we come to the end of this week's episode, it's worth noting that for the past seven days, the United States have every night bombed Iran. And so it doesn't look like peace, does it? And Iran are threatening to bomb their neighbors. And will they go beyond bombing military infrastructure or nations that support the United States in the Middle
Energy Shock And Recession Risk
Tony HinesEast? Well, the informed opinion suggests that they might. As we've already discussed. And is it time to step back from the brink? If of course the United States don't step back from the brink, then there probably isn't much alternative to actually putting boots on the ground. And then we're in for a much longer war over a much longer period. And it's difficult to say how that will play out. I'm sure it's not what the President wants. I'm sure it isn't what the US administration wants. And it's a foolish war in many respects. I suppose we could argue that all wars are foolish. It's failed diplomacy. Anyway, it will impact global trade. It will mean lower incomes for gross domestic product for most countries around the world. It will cause trade issues. It will push bond prices up, it will increase inflation, and it will increase the rates of interest that central bankers have to charge as we move forward. So everything's going to be more expensive. And will we ever get back to the pre Iran invasion economic situation? Doubtful. Over 8,000 people have been killed in the Iran War since it started, as Epic Fury on the twenty eighth of February. The United States this week had two further casualties, but in total, over 8,000 deaths across all countries of the Middle East and elsewhere as a result of this conflict. And remember,
Stepping Back From The Brink
Tony Hinesa lot of those people are innocent people, civilians, men, women and children. Some good episodes coming your way in the next few weeks. Look out for those. Particularly the one with Tomas Nodraski, the author of Mineral War. Don't forget to subscribe, and you'll be first to know when new episodes are in, and you'll never miss an episode. Well, that's it for today. I'm Tony Hines, I'm signing off, and I'll see you next time in Chain Reaction. Take care. Bye for now.
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