Conversations with Kenyatta
A Conversation with Dr. Jonathan Lande on the Hidden Stories of Black Civil War Soldiers
Jul 30, 2026
Season 1
Episode 84
Kenyatta D. Berry
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For many people, the story of Black Civil War soldiers ends on the battlefield. But what if some of the most revealing stories happened far from combat, in military camps, prison cells, and court-martial records?
In this episode, Kenyatta sits down with historian Dr. Jonathan Lande to discuss his book, Freedom Soldiers. Together, they explore how newly emancipated Black men navigated military service, not simply as soldiers, but as people actively pursuing freedom on their own terms. Jonathan shares how years of archival research uncovered the voices of men whose experiences have long been overlooked, revealing a more complex story of emancipation, military justice, and everyday resistance.
Their conversation examines why Jonathan refers to these men as "enlisted freedom seekers," how court-martial records preserve the words of soldiers who were rarely heard elsewhere in the historical record, and what these stories teach us about family, survival, and the unfinished work of freedom during the Civil War.
This episode is a powerful reminder that history is shaped by more than famous battles and celebrated heroes. It is also found in overlooked records, where ordinary people fought for dignity, protected their families, and defined freedom for themselves.
In this episode:
- How Jonathan Lande's path from aspiring attorney to Civil War historian shaped his research
- Why films like Glory sparked his early interest in history and how later scholarship challenged those narratives
- The meaning behind the term "enlisted freedom seekers" and why language matters when telling Civil War history
- How military camps, prisons, and court-martial records reveal a different perspective on Black military service
- Why many formerly enslaved soldiers enlisted to protect their families and secure their own freedom instead of pursuing abstract ideals of citizenship
- What genealogists and family historians can learn from military court records and compiled service records
- The remarkable firsthand testimonies preserved in court-martial records, including stories of resistance, resilience, and survival
- The challenges and rewards of uncovering overlooked voices in the archives
- Jonathan's advice for writers on finishing a manuscript and building a sustainable writing practice
Featured Book
Freedom Soldiers by Dr. Jonathan Lande
Please visit Jonathan's website at: Jonathanlande.com
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