The Deep Healing Project
The Wellness Brothers, Dr. Jake and Dr. Nick Hyde, talk about doctor stuff, or brother stuff, or sometimes both. Filled to the brim with humor, practical advice, and rich in-depth conversation, these brothers from opposite sides of the country connect on the topics that they truly love. Centered on holistic health, each podcast goes to the core of physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health and life.
The Deep Healing Project
The Self-Healing Revolution: Mind-Body Transformations After a Long Hiatus
The Hyde brothers reunite after a four-year hiatus to share how their perspectives on holistic health have evolved, revealing profound personal healing stories and a simpler approach to wellbeing centered on consciousness rather than technique.
• Four years of growth has shifted their focus from technical solutions to consciousness-based healing
• Nick shares how he healed a persistent foot wart by releasing his belief in the condition itself
• Jake describes resolving sudden deafness by addressing an emotional conflict rather than seeking medical intervention
• Health becomes simpler with deeper understanding—connecting with nature, practicing forgiveness, and approaching life with gratitude
• Our relationship with food and nourishment matters more than specific diets
• Entertainment consumption affects our consciousness levels and energy
• The body has innate healing wisdom when we operate from higher levels of consciousness
• Future episodes will explore controversial topics including German New Medicine and the true nature of illness
Reach out to us at drjakehyde.com or drnicholashyde.com if you're interested in working with us. We now offer virtual consultations worldwide.
We're back. No one thought we would make it, but we did. It has been four years of a hiatus. Some would say did it has been four years of a hiatus? Some would say there were some episodes we recorded in the in that time that, um, I think you're gonna have to get on some special lists and twist our arms to get, because they did not get released.
Speaker 2:But here we are, nick. How the heck are you? I haven't seen you in four years. I haven't seen you in a podcast in four years.
Speaker 1:I know, I know right, we're two brothers doing the holistic thing on somewhat opposite sides of the country, different time zones. We love each other and we are doing we're here to talk about, I think some very important holistic things today that people will get something from. And also we're just, we're doing this because we love it. We're back to doing some of the fun stuff we do.
Speaker 2:Yes, everybody welcome to season two. Season one was a hundred episodes of the Cultivated being, and then we had children, and then we're like, let's take a break for a second. And four years later, here we are again, in high demand and more excited than ever. I'm stoked, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I think we've learned a lot, a heck of a lot, really yeah.
Speaker 2:I'd say so Honestly big four years on my end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, my wife Claire and I, we were talking before this and thinking about where our mindsets were four years ago, and this is, of course, pre-kids. Well, we just, you know, we have a four-year-old now. Jake has a four-and-a-half-year-old now. Jake has a four and a half year old. I don't exactly know when we stopped recording it was when you had a kid.
Speaker 2:I was tough. I toughed it out. When I had one, for six months was grinding it out on no sleep, and then you had a kid and we're like we need to take a break.
Speaker 1:That's what happened okay, all right, I'll take the blame on that. Yeah, I mean not to mention moving and changing practices and all the other stuff that have happened in between.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:But and then, like here's the proof in the pudding of my four-year-old walks in oh special guest Rafa. Oh man.
Speaker 2:I hope people are watching this on YouTube. I hope we post this on YouTube. That's a cute Peter Pan costume right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and of course he can't hear you because I have the headphones, but of course.
Speaker 2:I think season two, these next 100 episodes, are going to feature more four-year-olds, if I had to guess, Especially if we're recording at all.
Speaker 1:They know wherever to find you. They know, it and you can't just lock yourself away because then there's crying, that's true. Yeah, that's crying, that's true. That's worse, and that would look worse for our brand.
Speaker 2:No, you do. You have to be findable.
Speaker 1:Don't listen to that crying in the background? It's nothing. Trust me.
Speaker 2:I mean, it might be nothing. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean it might be nothing.
Speaker 2:I learned the meaning of spilled milk the other day. I really did tell us about it. Well, I think I did tell you about this because I think we did talk that day. But yeah, just kind of rushing, rushing to get out the door and I was rushing to get to work and just like last second, kind of keep putting food in the kid's mouth, and uh, he spilt a whole glass of milk. This wasn't the first spill, was actually the second spill. The spill was more devastating than the first for some reason. Anyway, whole cup on himself, the chair, which is like a cloth chair, which like became a puddle of milk and a cloth chair, was bad news. And the floor. And guess what? Kids want to cry over spilled milk. It's 100% of the time. They don't cry as much on spilled water, it's milk and they lose it.
Speaker 1:Every time it's so good it didn't happen. Was it raw milk by chance?
Speaker 2:I couldn't say, if it was, it's not legal in Tennessee.
Speaker 1:Okay. Well, that stuff's expensive and I would cry over it.
Speaker 2:No, I don't. Milk's something I don't cheat about.
Speaker 1:You don't splurge.
Speaker 2:No, I do splurge, I don't go cheap milk, oh yeah, I have a couple luxuries in life and it's like milk, eggs, coffee, beef and everything else. I'm probably cheap, that's right, that's the list.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, this is how cheap I am as a dad. This is probably straight up dad stuff here, but I still get fresh underpants in my stocking at Christmas. I don't buy underpants, otherwise Does Santa get you those or do you buy those? Santa.
Speaker 2:My mother-in-law buys those for me Good deal. I'm part of the family. Now Every Christmas is like a Hi jackie shout out to you. I know you listen to. This is a a costco run for some kirkland brand socks and underwear for all the boys in her family and I'm grateful I am too.
Speaker 1:I'm not splurging on my knickers, but I'll splurge on some milk. Speaking of, I could not have milk for the longest time, and that whole raw milk thing is real yeah, we have a ton of raw milk in our house now and it's like, wow, it's like the nectar of the gods man.
Speaker 2:It is man we mass milk when henry was a baby, we were in in north idaho and raw milk was easy you buy at the grocery store in tennessee. You need a milk guy. You need a guy.
Speaker 1:That's now yeah, now we're, we're putting the pieces together and now the feds are on to him now oh, I bet yeah, but you know he's doing the work of the people. I mean, he's kind of like a rose of parks, but with milk, yeah yeah, and people are gonna say whoa, that was.
Speaker 2:That was quite the uh you know yeah, connection there nick like, like, come on, but you know I mean, I hesitate to say, like good connection Connecting Rosa Parks to my milk guy, but a connection of sorts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not saying it's like a real connection. Yeah, maybe not on the same level.
Speaker 2:I mean doing his part. He's doing his part for sure. Yeah, the same level. I mean doing his part. He's doing his part for sure. Yeah, it's. Uh, I'd actually wouldn't mind doing an episode on, like controversial foods that are are great. Maybe that's the next episode, but this episode nick had an idea. What I really wanted to get into was so we've had this four-year break and we have learned a lot and we're going to be getting into all the different things we've learned in this time period. But today I thought it'd be a great idea to be like what's changed specifically from, like a taking care of your own health from four years ago till now? How has that changed for you specifically? So the things you're doing for yourself and your family. That's different. So different strategy, different philosophy, different daily kind of routine. What are you doing? Well?
Speaker 1:quite a bit has changed, as I'm sure this is the case for yourself. Yeah, as I was saying, claire and I were talking before this and it was like I can't even remember what that self was like. In a lot of ways, you know, a lot has developed, but certainly and I'm sure you'd say that, the same, I'm sure our conversation is going to go this way, but consciousness has become the major theme in life, like how can I do this from a higher place of consciousness, a higher consciousness level, and some huge breakthroughs have happened like that in my own health.
Speaker 2:So stories, we want, we want the details, my friend well, sure, sure.
Speaker 1:So this is. I think this kind of would epitomize a lot of my, my themes, I mean the routines and and all the rhythms of of what I'm doing for my own health would reflect this on some level, on like a physical, emotional, mental well-being, even eating level. So I had this. You probably didn't know about this, but I had a planter's wart that turned into a mosaic wart. I don't know these terms because I'm not a foot doctor, but my brother-in-law is a foot doctor and sister-in-law Shout out to Joe and Kristen and that's what they called it and it ended up being like, basically, it was taking over a third of my foot, a third Of the bottom of my foot. I should okay, and it was a lot, it was painful, you know. It became like I can't, I couldn't take a step on it without feeling pain.
Speaker 2:When was this? You did not tell me this, by the way, so when? When was this going on?
Speaker 1:it's one of those little symptoms that just develops over time, until you're like.
Speaker 2:I know what you mean, but you're stalling. When was this going on?
Speaker 1:I probably first started trying to do stuff with it in 2015 or something, okay.
Speaker 2:When did it become a mosaic ward? When did you go like?
Speaker 1:when were you having conversations with your brother-in-law is what I'm asking so he moved out uh, 2021, I think okay, and that's when it was like you know, hey, this has gotten serious, I need some help and you know I tried all the things that you one tries what did you try? You know, those simple ones at first were like you tape it, you try to cut off the oxygen supply.
Speaker 2:You put name on the old deck tape situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah then I saw a dr berg video at some point and he talked about, uh, iodine. Of course, iodine is a fantastic antiviral as well as anti. It's an anti-sensitivity.
Speaker 2:It's very powerful, yeah you can very powerful. Then restaurants they use it to sanitize a bunch of the stuff that you're. You're using iodine water.
Speaker 1:It's great yeah, that didn't work. I mean, I was just using straight iodine too, um, it wasn't in a solution, um, and that did not work and was it spread?
Speaker 2:you're like this is getting kind of out of control this is like this istenth of my foot right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, and so I asked my brother and his wife for their professional opinions and they're, basically they ended up saying you got to scrape it all the way down. You have to get all the virus tissue, all the dead tissue out. You have to get where the virus would be. What did you? Scrape it with A surgical knife.
Speaker 2:Okay, nice, wait, a third of your foot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, they did it. They did it for me, so they did it the first time.
Speaker 2:Are you talking like all of your feet or your heel? What are we talking here?
Speaker 1:Like underneath my third, fourth and fifth digit, like that pad of my foot, so they cut it out. They basically like you have to go to where it's bleeding, like you have to get all that tissue. So they, they cut it out and I'm like bleeding, and then they put on this special lotion that has I I don't know all the medical terms for this because I I don't think I was paying attention too hard at this point. Um, there's like some beetle juice that's in it really potent stuff. It costs a whole lot of money. I think that they got it.
Speaker 1:Like you know, they took it off the shelf from their clinic and you know it was those kinds of things under the table black market treatments with the doctor, and so they did it and it it felt improved for like three days, four, four days. I was like great, this is working. Of course, right after they do it, you know it's all bandaged up and I'm walking on it differently and it hurts like more. It was already hurting. Now it hurts more Because there's kind of a wound down there or whatever. So, anyways, they did that and then about a month later it was back, you know, maybe even worse, and so they continued to do that. Maybe they did that like five or six times and then I saw their look on their faces one time when they they looked at it so they'd been working on it and then maybe we like skipped two months or something. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1:And you know I took you know they were going to work on it again and I saw their reaction Like they looked at each other like it's getting worse. Oh no, you know, like LL Cool J, you know deep water shark movie what's that called Deep Blue Sea? Deep Blue Sea, deepest Bluest. The girl says the scientist says they're getting smarter. Yeah, it's getting worse. That was the situation. So in my head I'm like, well, this isn't going well, you know. And they basically were like we're going to have to do actual surgery on this.
Speaker 2:Oh, they're going to take the foot.
Speaker 1:Well, I know they're a little cut happy. I hear the stories and I'm like, okay, I'm thinking about it and basically in the background in my head, I've consented to that in the future. I'm like, okay, that's what's going to happen. Um, and at some point after that, I had this revelation. You know, it's like my foot. It's not something I'm thinking about all the time, even though it's hurting to walk on it, but I'm it's still not one of those things like I'm it's not like a major part of my life.
Speaker 1:It's just a foot, it's just walking, standing I'm not like I really gotta solve this problem or anything.
Speaker 2:Maybe this says a lot about my personality type I mean I already know you nick, so it does, but for the listeners it does, does. That says a lot about him holistic mindset stuff.
Speaker 1:but have I really, you know, just to play devil's advocate, did you really do that, nick? And the answer was like well you know, do I really believe that this stuff works or not, and that?
Speaker 2:my only stuff. You mean the work you do professionally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm trying to help people with every day and I'm like this is a lesson for me. So I committed to one very serious meditation to kind of search my own subconscious ethers to see if there was something going on here. And eureka, there was something. Okay, let's hear it. There was a belief, belief in the condition itself. There was a belief in the planter's ward. There was a belief that this was like maybe a bigger problem or this was a more medical problem.
Speaker 1:There was a lot of beliefs wrapped up into me having this, and I had the strong revelation. You know, I was like everyone's doing what they should be doing. These doctors who are doing all the doctor stuff like this should be working right. I had the revelation I'm the one causing this and I realized I was manifesting this problem week after week, day after day. I'm the only one responsible for it and my thoughts, my beliefs, were stronger than anything that they were doing. Yeah, and so I, very intentionally you know this was a strong aha moment. It's another thing to just be like, offhandedly, I'm going to delete these beliefs, but I had this huge aha and I was like cancel, cancel, cancel. I'm unsubscribing to this thought process. Okay, no more.
Speaker 2:Membership in the belief of this issue Was it a specific thought process or just a belief about warts in general Was?
Speaker 1:it a specific thought process or just a belief about warts in general?
Speaker 2:It was, no, it was my specific belief in this condition for myself that you were experiencing that could be diagnosed as a mosaic wart.
Speaker 1:Yes, I wasn't like thinking about other people, that's just my normative thought process. Oh 100. I was just like I'm causing this. It's my beliefs and a major belief being like this is a difficult issue. Like just that belief, this is difficult. I was being convinced of that over time. Right, the evidence was there saying like, oh, if this was an easy issue, it would have been solved.
Speaker 1:So there is a belief in the difficulty of this issue, and so that was a big part of what I was trying to resolve, as well as any false belief that I couldn't, that I didn't have what I needed within me to heal it. So, basically, I went from so I believe in this issue, I'm having this issue, I am the source of this issue and now I'm going to use my own resources that have been causing this to stop causing it and to heal. So it was more of like my normal, natural self is healed already. It's whole. My thoughts and beliefs were causing something else. It was like warping reality. So, yeah, just unsubscribing to that. And oftentimes there's some emotional baggage that goes with it, like feeling guilty or frustrated or you know all this other stuff. So it's like I did, like a whole process of clearing that baggage and then picturing it being healed. And then I did, and within one week it was completely gone. Wow, yeah, I can't remember what foot it was on.
Speaker 2:I bet Claire does. She had to look at it.
Speaker 1:I'm sure she does, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:Well, didn't know we were starting this season off with such a grotesque story, but what an ending. What a lesson.
Speaker 1:What a lesson, what a lesson. Yeah, and I'm sure we're going to pick apart some of the details, but I think you have your own story to share here, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:Oh, I got lots of stories. There's some research indicating some beliefs behind warts, like emotional attachments that can create a situation or an experience of warts. Like emotional attachments that can create a situation or an experience of warts. One of it is having to do with, like um, like small little hates in your life, like micro hates, and the other one would be like a belief, uh, a belief in ugliness, I'm remembering correctly, like a belief in an ugliness yeah, that might have been true for me uh, was it your own.
Speaker 2:Like I'm hideous, don't look at me belief yeah, no, I mean I.
Speaker 1:I know I've related with that idea many times in my life, but I am not relating with it right now. Definitely could have been true for me. I mean, granted, this started a long time ago, right, like? Whatever the process was you?
Speaker 2:were a grad student in 2015. Yeah, so there you go. If you're listening, your loved one has plantar warts. Uh, there's some deep work to do, there's lessons to learn, but also, uh, you could also try something quite simple which has worked for a lot of my clients, which is castor oil or castor oil mixed with baking soda every day, daily. You can put a band-aid on if you want, or you just put it on a couple times a day and it absorbs very quickly through the skin and that helps a lot of people. Castor oil or castor oil and baking soda uh, with warts, you know, take some people days to weeks, some people, you know, longer than that.
Speaker 1:Uh, castor oil also works like cysts. I don't works really well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know it's just not not for nick, because he had a lesson to learn that was more important. Yeah, um, but yeah, the castor oil works like cysts and um also, I've heard stories of bone spurs, even although that takes like months, but you just comply it every day and it could still break up a bone spur.
Speaker 1:That's pretty insane that is really insane. I mean, obviously it goes very, very deep. Turpentine does too. People don't really like to use that.
Speaker 2:They get a little scared when you say turpentine, but the other term for that is pine oil so we could use like an essential oil, that's like piney in nature, like a balsam fir or northern spruce like one of those essential oils no, or do you have to? Use turpentine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you're using like the real pine oil you can order that. It just is like a little more expensive. Castro's cheaper, so I would recommend that pretty easy to get all right, I have a similar.
Speaker 2:I have a shelf I have a similar healing story, tell me about it. This is what I even thought we were going to talk about. Uh, I thought we're gonna talk about something else, but similar thing happened to me. This would have been last january. I I shared on my social media as for any of you following me on social media but I was just doing some like wintry plunges. You know, we were doing like Boulder Bear Club winter swimming, and one day my left ear got clogged and I was like that's kind of annoying, but that happens from time to time and you kind of shake it out or whatever. It goes away. 24 hours didn't go away. I tried some like ear drying kind of drops to do. It didn't do the trick the next day. So day three, I was deaf in that ear.
Speaker 2:100 terrifying 100 yeah 100, and so you know, when things are going well professionally we stay in our holistic world, but when it we like it to you, you start to like revert back to just like your medical training. Yeah, like I'm like going through all the things that it could be and I'm thinking about like okay, what's the worst case scenario? Like where could this go and like what are my options to to get ahead of those things? I was going for a walk in the morning before anyone was even awake, and I'm like what do I do? What do I do for a living? And so I'm like let me see if I can sort that out.
Speaker 2:So, doing this mind-body approach, applied kinesiology, testing my own body, for what internal conflict I could be holding, that could be creating the situation and the stuff that came up was remarkable and part of it was stuff that I thought I resolved from a few years back.
Speaker 2:Like a really difficult time, difficult experience, and it turns out there was more forgiveness in there and what was going on with my ear was like the trigger behind it was I was trying not to hear something. Like something needed to be said to me and I was trying not to hear it. That's kind of the metaphor you can use for this in order to kind of get an idea of part of the revelation that I had. But essentially I was like trying not to hear something that I didn't want to hear, spoke truth to myself, accepted it, had forgiveness. Minutes later, like literally minutes later, I could feel like little kind of crackles, like something's moving, and an hour later I could hear just fine, an hour, amazing, yeah, and I knew it too. It's like I did that session. I'm like I'm going to be here today, no problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that is important part of it. You know that that part yeah, I think that is an important part of it. You have to get to a point where, like, okay, you've cleared a lot of negative baggage, but capability I believe that the power is within me, the cure is within. Those are things that you have to own and it might be a little bit easier for me and you because, we see it, it's like you're able to wield that in a pretty short amount of time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, you and I get to see it on a regular basis working with our clients. However, being like a self-healer which is what you and I also train our clients to be like we don't we don't teach doctor dependency, right.
Speaker 2:You and I are empowering our clients to do that kind of stuff on their own right yeah and so it's a little bit harder on your own, because when it's you, it's like it's easier to go right into fear programming and like go into autopilot and go through the motions. It's really easy to do that. But in order to get out of a situation like your own symptomology, you literally have to get out of autopilot. That's like number one thing you have to do go out of autopilot and change your perspective, create a new context from which you see yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and your environment is incredibly important for that, you know. And that environment can be obviously the people around you. That's super important Having some, you know, they might not be trained in the healing arts, but if they're somewhat loving and they give you a sense of safety, powerful stuff. But their environment now is so much like who you follow, what you're subscribing to, what you're consuming on a daily basis.
Speaker 2:So much your environment right now 100% what you're consuming on a daily basis. So much your environment, right now 100, and so I have to take inventory on that all the time. 100 have to take inventory on that because, just like you said, like your goal in these last four years is taking an inventory on consciousness state or consciousness levels. Is this the conscious level that I want to be operating in or can I, can I move into a higher conscious level for this problem or for this experience? And I had to take inventory too, for just entertainment, for example. So, for example, anything that's us versus them mentality, we know is below the level of integrity. So people listening that aren't familiar, dr Hawkins has a map of consciousness that's free to download as a PDF. It's incredibly useful to have once you start studying and understanding what it means. But below a certain level of conscious level you're out of integrity and above a certain level you're in integrity. And just below the integrity threshold is pride, consciousness, and in pride is us versus them, mentality or tribalism. So once you start thinking or talking in terms of like us versus them, so that doesn't matter, it could be whatever Republicans versus Democrats or Dallas Cowboys versus the Philadelphia Eagles, whatever it's us versus them starts going into pride, and I had this big revelation last I guess it was like over a year ago. It would have been like the 2023 NBA playoffs.
Speaker 2:Nick and I are from Phoenix. I'm a arizona sports fan. I can't help it just grew up watching with my dad and then eventually like with my buddies and that's like my connection back to those relationships too. So they're really important to me because, like, I stay connected through friends, through those conversations. But what I noticed was watching the playoff games with the sons and the getting kind of obsessed and then like absorbing the media around it so like podcasts or YouTube channels that are talking basketball that my energy levels at work sucked. It was like brutal to do the work that we do and at the same time, I was reading one of Dr Hawkins' books at the time Maybe it was the Map of Consciousness Explained and he said just that, like us versus them conversations or us versus them ways of thinking are pride, consciousness below 200.
Speaker 2:And so for work requires us to be above the integrative state, and I'm spending all my free time in tribalism and it was making me weak and instead of just being like I'm not going to watch any basketball, I just shifted my perspective.
Speaker 2:So, instead of um watching a game through the lens of us versus them, us versus the other team, us versus the ref Cause you know, sons, fans are always like the rest are out to get us, the NBA is out to get us, we we live on that energy. Um, I was just enjoying basketball cause it's a great sport and I love playing and growing up and I'd love watching like the world's best do something that they're great at. I love playing a grown up and I love watching like the world's best do something that they're great at. So I can appreciate greatness now, which is a high consciousness level. And instead of getting like swept into my buddies conversations about us versus them kind of conversations it was just like Finding the joy and humor in my buddies, who are hilarious they're your buddies too, but, but they're hilarious. And so, instead of like us versus them, victim mentality because Suns are like the best victim mentality fan base, tied with, I'm sure, a bunch of other franchises Arizona and Jared.
Speaker 1:Not enough championships to yeah.
Speaker 2:So a ton of victim mindset issues there. So, instead of like getting swept into that, I was just like the love of the game, the admiration of athletes that are great at what they do, and the joy and the fun of like the banter with my like 10 friends and like the text message threads, and then I could watch a game, no problem, and I was like perfect energy. I just I did have to limit like podcast or youtube around it, which was no problem. Once I realized that I was like getting sucked into that and right now. So this is fall of 2024. I know a lot of people are getting sucked into political conversation that's doing the same thing Us versus them Totally. And you could be like, but it is us versus them. And I would argue, try to expand your vision a little bit more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, aren't we all just one human race, right? Right, I mean? No, that's so true. You have to come from a place not of pride, right? Like I don't have to defend the truth, the truth can stand on its own two feet.
Speaker 2:Truth needs no defense it needs no defense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just is what it is and there's nothing you can do to stop the truth from being the truth. It just is what it is. Yeah, like the ocean is made of water or whatever, right you know. You don't have to do some crazy logistical explaining. I don't have to defend that. I can be devoted to the truth. I can have love for the truth. I could even enjoy the truth and like what Jake's saying. You know, it's okay to like something and to be a fan of something, like you know. I think Hawkins even uses this example, but he's like. You can say you like Johann Sebastian Bach, and if someone's like no Beethoven's, better, you could just be like well, I just enjoy it, I like it.
Speaker 2:So what Hawkins does is he talks about a like, a non possessiveness, so it's, it's. You don't identify with the thing as self, so it's like. So, in terms of a political conversation, like you mentioned bach and um, what beethoven? Yeah, I mean, the debate is settled on them. They're icons, they're great, they're legendary.
Speaker 2:But, like, if you're say like, okay, I'm this staunch Republican or whatever, what he's saying is to be non-identifying with those things. So what does he call it? He calls it devotional non-duality. Is that his main term? Okay, so the point is, you could be like this is a political party that I currently align with, instead of this is what I am. So you could be like I'm a Republican, or you could say this is a political party that I currently align with, which is different. So if someone says Republicans are the worst, you don't be like how dare you insult me? Because it's like I'm not a Republican. I just happen to feel like I'm aligned with that. So you can't offend me by being critical.
Speaker 2:And the best example he does, like the more simple examples, is like instead of saying this is my opinion, you can consider it an opinion that you currently agree with. You can consider it an opinion that you currently agree with. So, instead of being like here's my opinion, you could say would you like an opinion? If someone's talking about whatever and it's like, oh, it's my turn to talk, and the temptation would be like all right, let me tell you what I think.
Speaker 2:But Hawkins would be like would you like to hear an opinion? And they're like, all right, sure, and you're like here's an opinion. And they could be like that's stupid. And you're like all right, well, maybe it is Just an opinion that I currently have, maybe it is Let me think about this differently and you could say actually, I think it's pretty good, I'm not offended by it, it's just an opinion I currently agree with. I could be wrong, I could change my opinion in, instead of saying like this is your shirt, you could be like this isn't a shirt, this is a shirt that I'm wearing. I'm currently enjoying this shirt, but if someone spills coffee, on it and ruins it.
Speaker 2:it's not like my shirt is ruined, it's like all right well, I had a good run with this shirt. Now it's time to move on.
Speaker 1:It's not my shirt, yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyway, nick, you haven't mentioned this shirt. I know this shirt, I know these are my sunday.
Speaker 1:You know these are the sunday vibes dude feeling good about this shirt. That's great. They for those who are just listening. Beautiful laurel patterned shirt. Nice golden yellow, yolky centers it is like big flowers?
Speaker 2:I don't know that's like a cage-free, free-range Yolk color for sure.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, the good stuff man.
Speaker 2:That's a deep orange.
Speaker 1:Oh baby.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, coming to you on a Sunday afternoon, which probably won't be our normal podcast time, this is the Sunday fit, so it feels right for me today. Probably will. I guess we'll be recording. If I had to guess, mostly like, while we're working, we'll take like an hour break and do a pod. But Sunday afternoon, dude, this is like Sunday family dinner Me and you, nick feels good. I know, sunday family dinner, me and you, nick.
Speaker 1:Feels good, I know. And for those of you not behind the scenes, just the two of us are, and Rafa, your son. So if this isn't Jake or me listening at a later time, we did mention we're like. I mean, this is true for any of our pods. If it sucks, we throw it out. No skin off our backs, we're just gonna have a real conversation nick, have we ever listened to our pods before I? Listened to some of them.
Speaker 1:There's a couple that I was like oh, that was actually really I didn't know a lot of that stuff. Jake just really taught me some stuff, or oh. Teaser for the rest of this season.
Speaker 2:I'm about to bring it, nick. Little teaser for the rest of the season I got I'm. I have some material. I'm so ready. I'm really pumped about this time. I'm pumped about teaching on a new level like this. Four years have been immense for me. So if you guys are regular listeners from the first hundred episodes, buckle up. If you're new, welcome. This is going to be really fun. But, nick, I'm going to bring it and so I'm excited for that. But I'm really excited to connect with you on a regular basis.
Speaker 1:My brother, I like that rhythm Absolutely, you know. I mean it just adds to the beauty of my life, for sure. And I want to mention, since you're going on about like, what does the future hold for this podcast? I don't, I don't know where you're at on this scale, but let's just rate ourselves in a totally honest opinion here. Okay, and I'm not saying rating our, our skill and delivering good, fresh topic podcasts here. I want to say, how did you feel like you were tiptoeing at all with the our, our, you know our first season of the podcast? Did you feel like you were people pleasing or straddling, maybe walking some line between being your true, authentic self, and then also like, hey, look, I don't want to lose my potential clients here that might be listening Zero to 10, 10 being I was straddling so hard I was doing the splits. Where would you rate yourself? I mean?
Speaker 2:at that time I would say I wasn't people-pleasing at all. Yeah, but since that time I've resolved an immense amount of ego programming around people-pleasing. So people-pleasing was just my MO, it was just what I would call normal. It's how I operated. It was like that was my coping strategy for stress, just please. Strategy for stress, just please. So I wouldn't really at that time. I think at the end I would say the last year we did like three years of a pod. I was starting to scratch the surface of understanding my people pleasing mechanisms, scratching it. So maybe that, like the back third of our pods, I was getting an idea of that self-awareness. But up to that point my whole life was just pleasing under stress. That's what I did. So I don't know if I would have had the context to really be like oh, I see what's happening here, but now I do 100 as soon as I start people pleasing, I have, like some part of me says like, ah, this is what we're doing and it's like, okay, I see.
Speaker 2:And then it's a choice do I want to keep doing it or not? You know, sometimes it's yes, sometimes no, but now I can see the people pleasing happening in real time and I would say this for our first. You know, at least the first two years and change, people pleasing was just normal, so I don't even know if I could tell if I was doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel you on that. I would have to agree. I mean, I certainly was aware of the fact that my practice was so baby fresh that if I messed up, you know, I was really aware of not wanting to ruffle too many feathers because I was like if I have a bad month I am out of practice. You know what I mean. So I was certainly at least somewhat aware of that at times. I mean, most of the content we did, I'd absolutely stand behind, like I believed in that content. But what I'm saying now, I definitely feel not just freer, but I feel more motivated and more inspired to tell people the real truth than ever, because there's still probably a couple things I wouldn't mention just because I don't want to scandalize people.
Speaker 2:I'm not afraid to scandalize people. For me it's just, it's a question of. It's a question of truth, my access to it. I'd like to think I'm closer to it than ever. But this idea of truth, like capital T, truth is still somewhat elusive. So I could, just I could, put my best foot forward and share honestly. So that's the goal is sharing honestly, with an understanding that there's an unknown or an immeasurable gap between me and my access to absolute truth. But we're moving in that direction and I feel that strongly yeah, and certainly I feel a whole lot of.
Speaker 1:I mean, what's just like real alive wisdom in the healing world, and I think this is what sets our podcast. We're getting into it, man. I have a lot of you want to. You want to hear my opinion?
Speaker 2:as it goes. Is it an opinion you currently?
Speaker 1:agree with. This is a opinion I currently agree with. Feel free to totally reject it, but I feel that in the space of podcasting and social media, there are a lot of influencers who maybe aren't even seeing clients, they aren't taking care of people on a daily basis and they say a whole lot of information. There's a lot of people sharing some study that maybe was a good study, maybe not a good study to prove their point and maybe sell their product. There's a lot of people out there doing that and certainly I follow a lot of healthcare people because that's what I'm into, that's my major hobby, and I see a lot of people sharing studies. Sometimes they seem contradictory. You could be in just one scroll session and be like that seems different than the last person. They were saying 100% and there's a lot of. There's really too much knowledge out there. There's more knowledge than we need.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's paralytic, and the more that I learn, the deeper I go. This is the interesting thing. So I think here's the difference between our first 100.
Speaker 1:Can I get my full thought on this? Yeah, but I'm. But I want to juxtapose. Okay, there's too much knowledge out there and there's not enough wisdom, and what I really want this podcast to be is like okay, let's boil and synthesize the practicals down on what it takes to be a self-healer. What does it take for you listener to get from where you are to where you actually want to be in your health, relationships, finances, personal pursuits, whatever that other stuff is and have you really take the reins and be empowered to do so? And so this is going to be like what's the essential premise of all techniques that get you there? That's what I want to share with people the real nuts and bolts, wisdom of progressing and healing in life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I feel like our first hundred episodes was really like this technical distillation of all these podcast influencers, cause you and I are like this research model and we're listening and downloading from all these people. And then, the further I go, the deeper I go. Health starts to get simpler and simpler. Deeper I go. Health starts to get simpler and simpler and it starts to look like basic things, like taking your shoes off and standing in a creek in some sunlight and slowing things down and taking a deep breath and practicing forgiveness as much as you can and really trying to be available and loving towards others.
Speaker 1:And it's pretty simple, hard to do, but simple, yeah, yeah like health is starting to look like sitting under a tree and just like contemplating the beauty of creation and just like contemplating the beauty of creation, certainly, and having the openness in the moment for expansion. And you know, I'd say my two biggest influencers I subscribe to and they would not well gonna be paradoxical because they're not really, they eschew, uh, being influencers. And one of them has passed away and that's david hawkins. So we've talked about him, number one, god's father of the podcast, for sure, really, yeah, really. The other one is yuan on, say you probably haven't heard him. Have we talked about him? Probably not, we haven't. He wrote a fantastic book. He's written several books are really good, but the one I love the most is called well-being begins with you and beautiful I.
Speaker 1:I discovered this guy. I mean, talk about, uh, high integrity here. I discovered this guy. They he's basically a qigong teacher, but like a full system qigong, like a whole life getting better system of qigong, and he was like a qigong healer for a long time before he started to get famous as, like you know, teaching qigong and his forms of qigong. But I one of one of the things I was really into doing I must have discovered him maybe four years ago or so.
Speaker 1:I would just type into YouTube periodically like healing documentary or something like that or I do acupuncture documentary, chiropractic, like actual, well-made, produced documentaries. There's a lot out there and one of them I discovered was there's their organization released one called already free, centering around a gentleman named Norberto Rodriguez and then a woman I'm kind of blinking on her name but she's an interesting part of the story. Basically they were talking about Qigong and I was like, okay, qigong, I'm ready to hear about Qigong. And within the first couple of minutes they talked about self-realization and how the system of Qigong helped them to basically get enlightened. And I was like, wait a minute. I was like that's not what I was expecting. And so the whole documentary became about their process of enlightenment and I was enthralled.
Speaker 1:I watched that documentary maybe like 50 times, got the book, started, thinking about it a lot. And the interesting thing is the woman who had experienced enlightenment, she became kind of famous and she had her own program and she reverted and she kind of she, you know she dropped in her level of consciousness, she started to get kind of like greedy and self-serving and because of that, even though that documentary had gotten a million views and certainly was building their organization, they took it down just because they're like well, it's no longer true, so let's throw it away. And they threw away this documentary. They probably spent like 50 grand on or something to produce and, yeah, it's one of those things I was like, well, good for them. But um, since then I discovered that norberto rodriguez can schedule 60-minute Zoom sessions with him. It costs 45 euros. I must have talked his ear off about stuff going on in my life and anyway, so I've been doing.
Speaker 1:What a great deal. I know it's a great deal to talk to an enlightened person and I had some suspicions. I'm like, are they really so different? Reading Hawkins' story about it and many others who talk about the process of enlightenment, self-realization, sanctity and other Christian religions religions they probably would call that in some capacity you're like they seem different, they are different, they're very different, you know, and so, um, one thing that just seems so simple about yuanse system is it's very important to just be healthy and like that's just what. You are right. It's like you're tuning into the frequency of health for you and freedom for you, and people are like that seems weird.
Speaker 2:But when you've done it, you're like oh yeah, that's totally a thing, and that, to me, is what you're kind of saying there, jake, what you're talking about with the simplicity of it it's a huge difference between doing this and being this and in in my experience around nutrition, working with patients or clients, a lot of times a diet plan or nutrition plan is secondary or tertiary to just healing a relationship of a person to what nourishes them. It's a broken relationship, so it doesn't matter what diet they shift to from another. It's the relationship that needs to heal between a person and nourishing themselves, giving them permission to nourish themselves, for example. It's a beautiful thing and it's simpler. It's complex in some ways, but simple, beautiful.
Speaker 1:Okay, so now I'm going to ask you a question just as a practitioner, because there was a time when I had this discovery for myself and I had all these food sensitivities and reactions that healed up very quickly and I was basically like you know, and a lot of the functional medicine things that I was having problems with resolved for me and basically I decided I was like I'm not going back, I'm just going to teach everyone this stuff, and I discovered that in the way that I was communicating it and maybe just meeting people, I wasn't really meeting people where they're at and a lot of those people didn't meeting people where they're at and a lot of those people didn't.
Speaker 1:I, I, you know this is a I'm trying to formulate this as a question but like, maybe they didn't understand what I was saying or maybe it was too much for them all at once or maybe that wasn't the priority. What? What do you think on meeting, like the difference between meeting people where they're at and maybe saying like, hey, look, you have to go off gluten because you're reacting, versus saying, look, you are reacting with a food, but you can heal that with intention and deleting beliefs and overcoming the unresolved guilt, shame, grief, ap, apathy, whatever's holding that in place? How much do you do, one or the other, or both?
Speaker 2:um, real technical question, I think. Um, like, I could probably spend an hour long podcast on this, but you know, someone has celiac disease. Like I'm not going to be. Like let's change our belief systems around gluten. Right now, just be like don't have it, avoid it, and we're going to work on healing some internal systems, maybe even systems adjacent to this belief, kind of clearing up the bandwidth for the body to start regulating in a different way.
Speaker 2:But for me personally, around gluten, like I used to minimize gluten in my life and then every now and then, it's like all right, I'm doing pizza and beer with the boys. And I was always like, all right, it's Friday night, we're doing pizza. And then it's like Saturday, I'm like, oh, I'm going to suffer for doing this. And then it was true, I suffered, I felt glutened. You know what I mean? Yeah, but it gluten. You know what I mean? Yeah, uh, but got to a point to where I didn't buy into that anymore and I would just go to bed trusting my body. But I knew what it was doing and this is a very complicated set of pathways as far as your neurophysiology goes. But it, but it worked because it was very true to me. I didn't have celiac disease. It wasn't like that risky, like the penalties.
Speaker 2:For me, having gluten was just like brain fog and achiness the next day, maybe some like lethargy, wasn't like a huge downside, right, uh. But nonetheless I surrender to my body's wisdom, understanding. It's far more intelligent than me and my body is designed to break down the things that I eat, sort out what's nutritious from what's toxic, absorb what's good and eliminate what's bad. And once I really started to believe that that's what my digestive system is all about, then I started letting my body digest, like really process what I fed it. So instead of going to bed being like, oh well, I'm going to feel this tomorrow, I was like you got this, I'm going to bed. Thank you for all the work that you do for me and really getting into a state of gratitude versus fear. Gratitude is really key. It's like man, my body's. I didn't give it enough credit, like when I was fully obsessed with nutrition, like really into it and trying to control everything. I did not give my body any credit for its abilities and so now it's like all right.
Speaker 2:Well, what a day we had. I'm going to bed. Thank you for all the work that you do. See you in the morning, kind of a thing, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we are definitely going to do a very full thought nutrition episode forthcoming. But just to paint the picture, we're kind of talking about this in broad strokes. Just to paint the picture. We're kind of talking about this in broad strokes. And yes, on a personal level, the times I can tell where I have negative reactions to food or other stuff right, it could be like I walked into Macy's and they were doing a perfume performance and that's the thing that used to really set me off and give me headaches or some other chemical exposure whatever. The only time I react to these things now is when I can tell I'm in a lower level of consciousness.
Speaker 1:And it's like yeah, I showed up at the mall and I was already frustrated and patient and I was stressed, and then I got shocked. My nervous system and my liver got shocked with this artificial scent and, boom, I got the headache. It's like okay, well, now I have the awareness of the headache, I can start to do my own healing process with the headache. And part of that is to get back to square one, right, if I get to above level 200, meaning I have this integrity David Hawkins was talking about the map of consciousness I come back to, I go from being negative on the scale to neutral or positive. Already the healing process has begun. Whether or not I even do anything about that, my body is in a more integrous place and is doing healing because that's what it does naturally. Um, even if you just got there, you would feel improvement, but then there's other things you can do. So, yes, like that kind of stuff can still happen.
Speaker 1:You know, like a cold was going around in my family recently this week, and you know you have the thoughts You're like okay, do I have to do some homeopathic things or some herbal things to make sure I'm not going to get this cold? You start to. You know, you wake up with that scratchy throat and now you're like going through all of your work and and and seeing what you need to do, like that was just happening this week. And the truth of it is that first night I was like, oh, I'm in a place of stress. I'm in a major place of stress. There's some big things that I had to do on Friday, so I took some homeopathic things. I'm like you know what? I'm going to manage this in other ways and be practical about this too. I don't have to just do it one way or the other, knowing that as I continue to progress, that just disappears more and more from my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, something that I'd love to talk more about in a full episode. So maybe today we're just like teasing future episodes. But my whole idea of what an illness is, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I knew we were going to do that.
Speaker 2:It's entirely different than the last round of podcasts that we did.
Speaker 1:I know we're going to probably blow some people's minds when we start talking about that stuff, but I know we're both similar. I mean, yeah, you're probably talking about some German new medicine.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool.
Speaker 2:I mean there's got to be a podcast where we get into that.
Speaker 1:That's maybe the next one.
Speaker 2:Dude, I'm pumped sure, sure, uh. But yeah, infections, illnesses are not how I viewed them in the past. It's an entirely different point of view right now and it feels really in alignment with all the things that I've studied and it's really empowering and it's beautiful and it fits with my model of nature and biology and creation. And let's do that episode soon Done. We should probably wrap this, man. This is pretty good Getting our, you know, dipping our toes back in to the podcast world.
Speaker 1:And it's about time for our little ones, and our wives are probably getting angry and frustrated and impatient yeah, I gotta go read some stories, some bedtime stories got some other things to do. So, hey, peace to you all. Thanks for listening and we're excited to be back and, as always, I guess, follow us and if you have questions, email us or reach out to us yeah, reach out to us, you can.
Speaker 2:You can reach out to me, doc. Uh, dr jake hyde, I think, is my handle for most social medias. Dr jake hyde, or jakehydecom, you can reach me there. How about you, nick?
Speaker 1:dr nicholas hyde, I think is everythingcom is my website, and then everything else, something like that. So, yeah, feel free to reach out to us. We both do long distance work at this point, if that's something you're interested in.
Speaker 2:That's what's changed too, since our last pod I've touched I now do like virtual work with people in multiple countries all over the world. So, uh, very interesting, interesting journey we've been on. I look forward to talking more about it. This is going to be a great, a great series, really leveling up the game here.
Speaker 1:All right, well, we hope you enjoyed see you next time. Love you guys, bye.