The Deep Healing Project
The Wellness Brothers, Dr. Jake and Dr. Nick Hyde, talk about doctor stuff, or brother stuff, or sometimes both. Filled to the brim with humor, practical advice, and rich in-depth conversation, these brothers from opposite sides of the country connect on the topics that they truly love. Centered on holistic health, each podcast goes to the core of physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health and life.
The Deep Healing Project
Healing Through Surrender
What if getting sick is actually your body's sophisticated way of regenerating itself? Dr. Nick and Dr. Jake reunite after Jake welcomes a new baby to the family, sharing their recent battles with household illnesses and revealing a powerful healing technique that produced overnight results.
The brothers dive deep into a revolutionary understanding of infection that turns conventional wisdom upside down. Rather than seeing microbes as external invaders, they explain how your body intelligently utilizes pathogens as part of its natural regeneration process. This fascinating perspective draws from German New Medicine, the bioterrain theory of Dr. Béchamp, and the voltage theory of health.
You'll discover why your body replaces approximately 50 billion cells daily and what happens when exhaustion forces it to prioritize immediate survival over maintenance. Those symptoms you hate—fever, mucus, coughing—are actually signs of healing as your body eliminates damaged cells and creates fresh ones. This explains why many people feel renewed after recovering from illness—they literally have newer cells!
The highlight comes when the doctors break down the three-step "surrender method" for self-healing: allowing without resistance, welcoming without judgment, and canceling limiting beliefs. This technique helps you move from feeling like a victim of germs to recognizing your connection to an infinite source of health. The brothers even provide the exact affirmation that can transform your relationship with illness: "I am an infinitely healthy being and I'm no longer subject to that."
Whether you're currently battling an infection or simply want to understand your body's innate healing wisdom better, this episode offers practical insights that honor both science and the spiritual dimension of health. Listen now and discover how getting out of your body's way might be the most powerful medicine of all.
Welcome back to another episode. The brothers are back. I'm Dr Nick and this is my brother, dr Jake Jake how are you, dude?
Speaker 2:I am, I'm here. I'm. This is my brother, dr Jake Jake. How are you, dude? I am, I'm here. I'm happy to be here, man.
Speaker 1:This journey to get to this recording moment. Let me tell you what was going on. Well, congratulations Extended from the whole podcast universe, dr Jake Between last episode, and this had a baby.
Speaker 2:That's right. The clan is growing, the tribe's growing, beautiful, healthy little boy and I'm doing great.
Speaker 1:That's good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, one of those things you know. We think we got ourselves into a nice rhythm with the new baby, but then our four-year-old gets a pretty bad cough and so we got this. We're seasoned parents at this point. So I sleep with him in his room because we know when he coughs he's up a ton. In the night He'll just run straight into the room and then cough all over mom, cough all over baby. So I'm like running interference. I'm just going to do that.
Speaker 2:But a rhythm that's been working for us is I now that my wife's pumping, there's a bottle waiting for me and I take like between a midnight and one shift and we try to time it out so like that's when he's going to want to feed. And so I get up at midnight, get the bottle warm, and I hear my four year old run across the hallway into mom's room and I'm like no, so I go running in. He's already on top of her, she's holding the baby. Because he's up Coughing all over them, I hand the bottle over, I'm like I'll take him back, bring him back into bed. And he's now like crying because he wants mommy, understandably, and it's hard to communicate to him like bro, this is not a good situation. But I also don't want him to him like bro, this is not a good situation. But I also don't want him to feel like he's unwanted or there's something wrong with him, right? So he's like I want to sleep with mommy. I'm like yep, totally get it. So instead of being like you can't because you're sick and unwanted, you're unclean, you know. It's like hey, mommy's not sleeping right now. She's going to be up and she's going to feed the baby. And he's like I don't care, I want mommy to hold me. It's like sorry, bro, I'm going to hold you when mommy goes to bed. Like maybe you can snuggle with her later. And so he's resisting.
Speaker 2:And he's like because he's crying, he's like in a super coughing spree, you know, and can't really get him calmed down. Start to a little bit and mom comes in with some like cough medicine and I'm like that is helpful, I'd consider doing that myself. But him seeing her made him want her even more. So now we're like wrestling in bed. Oh yeah, he's trying every tactic, including like inchworming. Like I'm holding him and he's like inching out of the bed like an inch every 10 seconds. I'm like all right, let me see that maybe he falls asleep with this strategy and he does not. So I have to pull him back and we're fighting.
Speaker 2:Eventually he I don't know falls back asleep out of exhaustion. Now it's like one 15 and he's finally down and I'm like that's good news. Like a minute later I feel this warmth on my arm and I'm'm like, oh no, he's peed. He's peed and he's finally asleep. Normally we would just go into the guest bed, the extra bed, but my mother-in-law is staying with us to help out, so we have no extra bed. So now I have to ninja, change him without waking him up, because I don't want to start that battle all over again. Throw, throw a thick blanket over the bed for something for us to sleep on.
Speaker 2:That's not wet yeah, yeah and then, um, yeah, I still had like the morning shift because my wife sleeps really good from like five to seven, that that's like a deep sleep for her. So I have the baby and the boy. He wakes up early again cause he's coughing, which just wakes, wakes him up, and he's a morning person, so he's up, got both boys feeding them. Anyway, I'm here now. I made it. Yeah, that was just that just happened. Huh, yeah, yeah, yeah, because we're recording bright and early in the morning. How was your night?
Speaker 1:Well, it was pretty good. I mean, the boys and I, we all got sick this week, I guess, starting with me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have a nice little baritone to your voice right now. I'm going to try to match it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I was trying to think of a barry white song, but um yeah. So we oh, I had a good. I had a pretty good letting go experience with this. One would have been two nights ago, because we got the whole fever situation and the guess it must be the. I don't know if it's a flu or something like that. I heard the flu this year is kind of crazy, but we well, it doesn't really matter what it is I got it. And then I had a. I was hoping to work the following day. I had a. I was hoping to work the following day. But you know, also want to be respectful of people and their beliefs. So before going to bed I did some letting go. And you know, with an illness, letting go can be a little bit tricky because there's like lots of symptoms. So when you first practice it, you know you're just doing like I have shoulder pain and you do letting go. I think that could be like a better way to practice, but sometimes an illness can be tricky what's tricky about it?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, okay, there could be a lot of tricky things about it. I mean, I'd say the belief part about it is is the tricky part to. You know, people have some really really long-standing, very firm beliefs about illness and bugs getting passed around and all that, you know, germ theory stuff. But also because there could be a lot of symptoms all at one time, I find that it could be tricky to kind of use your focus and awareness. So for me, maybe, so I was doing it, maybe, and so I was doing it, and uh, you know, I usually wait to feel like a shift, but I wasn't feeling a shift in my, my symptoms. Like you know, a shift usually it's like, oh, it feels a little bit better. I wasn't feeling a shift. So I just kept focusing and just like allowing my body to do whatever it needed to do, not resisting the sensations, the feelings, the illness, whatever, uh, the experience of it.
Speaker 1:And I think the previous night I needed, like night cool, to go to sleep just because the headache and the fever and all that stuff and and somehow in the process of this, like five-minute kind of focus time, I just fell asleep and then I woke up a couple hours later because one of the boys was coughing and I had none of the symptoms, except for, you know, some of the mucus stuff still, you know, but like no fever, no aches, no headache, no sore throat. That all went from about, you know, like a 7 out of 10 to a 0 out of 10 in like two hours, you know. So I was like wow, that actually really worked this time. But maybe I didn't do it well enough for, you know, the mucus, because I still kind of got that part. But, um, and then last night, because the boys got it, the boys got it when I was starting to feel better, you know, both the boys got and, uh, so last night I built a chi field.
Speaker 1:This is kind of more of an advanced thing that I will we'll teach in our classes. So, if anyone's interested in doing some of the class work. So I built a chi field. They both fevers, both coming down with it yesterday, and then just got, you know, they slept through the night. No one woke up last night, which is always a good sign, you know. So that's something we could teach. So that was going better than I thought. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2:This is the first uh season that I start working with some of my clients, if they want to, who are sick or coming down with something, or maybe they're hit really hard, and I offer like a like a five minute call. I just tell them like these are, I don't know, because people don't usually reach out to me in between sessions if they're, if they're just coming down with the flu or cold or something, but if they cancel, this is the first season where I say do you have strength to just get on the phone for five minutes and let me walk you through something? And then I'll walk him through this letting go technique, the surrender method from Dr Hawkins, and they have pretty profound results so far. Never done it before. I never thought to for whatever reason. Maybe I wasn't ready to do this kind of work, but all of them are like wow, remarkably better on the other side, which is really cool. So it's probably worth walking through this, this, this profound self healing technique, and yeah well, yeah, let's do it Well.
Speaker 1:And yeah, we had other plans for what this podcast was going to be, but I kind of like where this is going and something I think kind of sets the stage for illness and infection. Uh, using some understanding from german new medicine and some other things that we you know, know about, like dr bachamp, who's kind of the guy who came up with the bioterrain theory and and, and you know, versus louis pastor, who's the guy who came up with the bioterrain theory and and, and you know, versus louis pastor, who's the guy who talked about the germ theory. There's this different and, and, for the record, louis pastor did the whole deathbed thing and said that he was wrong and bachamp was right. So, uh, there there is this, like what you know, this, this understanding of the germ theory, but this is what we in society this is what has dominated is the germ theory.
Speaker 1:Basically, germs go around and everyone gets it, so people catch a cold or whatever. But Bishamp was talking about how you have this bio-terrain and very likely I mean you get this whole. As a baby going through the birth canal, you get all kinds of microbes from your mom, including probably some amount of any infection she might have had at some point in her life. Yeah, and so it's all already kind of within you, and this sets the stage for a lot of things, but a lot of us. You know, in your terrain you have strep, you have staph, you have candida, you have… Influenza A A, b all that.
Speaker 1:Oh, totally. It's already within you. It's on your skin at all times. You can't really get away with it.
Speaker 1:They swabbed in New York City a couple years ago. They were just writing an article about it. They swabbed every public surface and found antibiotic-resistant staph on every surface in New York City. There you go, which is pretty interesting. So any public surface that you would touch, like door handles and subway whatever. So it's everywhere. It's within you.
Speaker 1:So how come we're not just getting sick all the time? And what is the deal with us getting sick anyways? Obviously we have a stress factor that we always seem to get sick when we're not just getting sick all the time. And what is the deal with us getting sick anyways? You know, obviously we have a stress factor that we always seem to get sick when we're stressed. I think just taking clues from nature and I'd like to hear Jake's thoughts after this, because I don't know if we've talked about this recently, but I think you know think just taking cues from nature, like you look out in the forest and a tree falls and then, after the tree's dead, it gets covered in mushrooms and other moss and stuff and that all eats away at the tree, decomposes it turns it back to soil.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of our infection is like a process of recycling and it's like it's our body going through a process to kind of uh, reboot, clean up, detox, you could say, and, and german new medicine has some similar ideas. When you you get into their like embryology thing and infections of like the nervous system being or in fact are cleaning out the nervous system having a lot to do with virus Jake would probably know those things a little bit better than me, but I think that there is. It seems to be a process and I find that it's interesting. A lot of times when people are sick they're kind of different afterwards. You know, like you you come through a sickness and like sometimes people even have like new resolutions on life yeah well, there's a spiritual component to uh being humbled.
Speaker 2:You know that humbling of like will I ever breathe through my nose ever again in the rest of my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that never happened for me, right. Taking, taking for granted something simple like breath and a sickness can put you back in your place a little bit, which opens you up to some revelation, definitely. So there's a spiritual component to it. The way I I I think like the easiest way to illustrate an infection is through this idea. So, like your, like your forest analogy, this constant recycling, your body is already doing that. Like sickness or no sickness, you're turning over cells on a on a daily basis. Something like 50 billion cells turn over every day for you, right, because cells wear out and so the cells replicate. You break down the old cells, you recycle useful proteins and things like that, and then you eliminate waste, and so that's happening all the time. But that does require energy. Your body's doing a lot of things at all times.
Speaker 2:Right Now, if you're pushing yourself towards more of an exhausted state, right, and we've talked about this in countless podcasts where the source of disease is ultimately exhaustion. Right, because your body's designed to self-regulate, self-heal, self-repair. But when you're in a state of exhaustion, your body has to pick and choose what it's going to do with the limited resources that it has. Right, and it's going to choose to stay alive, so it's going to energize systems required for just being alive in this moment. Healing and repair, while important for longevity, isn't necessarily important for staying alive in the moment, right. And so if you're in a state of exhaustion, which can happen from mental, emotional stress, biochemical stress, physical stress, anything can kind of push you over that threshold. Well, when your body has to go into, say like battery-saving mode right, like your phone does that too. If you're on low battery, you can go into, say, battery-saving mode, like your phone does that too. If you're on low battery, you can go on low-power mode, and what it does is it shuts down unnecessary processes in the moment. So your body does a similar thing.
Speaker 2:And so what happens is this 50 billion cells that get turned over every day. You start to get behind in that work. And if you stay behind, if you go deep enough into deficit, what can happen as a solution to that is you can get an infection. Okay. And what happens is you say the word infection, but what's going on is actually a massive regenerative event in your body. It's your body catching up and it can select a particular pathogen that's already in your environment to do the work that needs to be done Because what pathogens do and particularly like viruses, like coronavirus, for example, we knew only really attacked damaged cells. Healthy cells were left intact. And so what a pathogen can do, like a flu, is targets all the damaged or worn out cells, infects them and it sparks this rapid regeneration process in your body so it breaks down those old cells faster.
Speaker 2:Your energy is not being allocated necessarily towards immunological function, like everyone knows, when you have the flu or like a bad cold, you're just exhausted, right, you're tired, you have no energy. That energy is going towards healing, actually not just an immunological, like fighting off an illness, and so a lot of these symptoms of an illness are actually healing symptoms. So this would be you know, it's well researched in Germany medicine. So it's like, okay, a fever or inflammation which could feel like achiness in your body or coughing, sneezing, mucus drainage. These are all symptoms of a healing process. So even you doing the surrender process, you still had this mucus. Well, that's your body.
Speaker 2:So like quickly getting rid of a waste product from the breakdown of old cells to make room for new. So, again, your body recycles some useful components in a cell, but there's a lot of dead tissue to be eliminated and you'll do that through urination or any kind of bathroom function, but also through your mucosal lining, so in your lungs you're coughing up stuff, or through your sinuses draining. So that's actually an important healing process. And what's important to know is if you have the vitality to get through an infection, because, again, not everyone does so like we don't want to dismiss the danger of like flu for certain people, you know what I mean. But if you have the vitality to actually undertake this project, you're technically, on a cellular level anyway a little younger on the other side. So you have all these fresh cells from this regeneration that you just underwent. So getting six actually a really important process of longevity. It's like a catching up on your regeneration of yourselves.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, that's well said. Tom Cohen has a cool book Dr Tom Cohen. I don't know if you've read his stuff, but I have not. He goes through a. He has a book I think it's on autoimmunity or something, but he goes through a bunch of studies that show what certain infections do positively for your health, including, like there's some infections that have been shown to like reduce cancer mortality. Yeah, and actually that's one way that they used to treat cancer back in the day was inducing fevers, and that was super successful by the way, but some people still do that.
Speaker 2:It's like these, um, like these scuba suits that you sit in, um that just runs really warm water so it can like precisely, almost like a like when you're suving food. The water in this suit can get to a precise temperature. Whereas if you like um and so you can hold it to a precise temperature. Whereas if you like um and so you can hold it at that temperature more consistently. Whereas if you just do sauna, like, you might go into a sauna that's 170 degrees. That's like you being in the oven. There's limitations to how long you can be in an oven, but these suits can hold you to a precise, like high fever temp, and it's a type of natural chemotherapy for cancer. It's going on out there as we speak.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this is all kind of stuff that was done before, Before the Well. You know not get all into the conspiracies, but there was a big stockpile of mustard gas and chemotherapy drugs. All come from that.
Speaker 2:The same companies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyways, that's another thing. But kind of getting back to the point of infection, did you ever read this is actually one of my favorite books on healing. It's called Healing is Volt from jerry tenant nope, I have not heard, oh baby. Well, I absolutely love that book.
Speaker 1:But he does explain kind of like the specifics of you know, this healing event with infection and just as you were describing, of course, what tips the body off is the voltage. So obviously your cells have to be healthy enough to die. That sounds weird but that's what happens when they reproduce and they have to be at a specific voltage to reproduce and that's negative 50 millivolts. Negative 20 is like a healthy cell just doing its thing and this is all. The cells in the body are, on average, around that. Now that could also be a measurement of ph. So voltage and and pH can be, they can go hand in hand. They're kind of synonymous. Now, a lot of times, people, if you look on the internet of like pH diets, you know, like alkaline diets and whatever, you might find a lot of doctors making fun of. I found one. One neurosurgeon talking about this is on YouTube how alkaline diet's a load of crap, but he only talks about the blood pH and I'm like well, of course, your blood pH doesn't change, but what about cellular pH?
Speaker 2:What about tissue pH? They do not ever. When you do lab work, they never test the pH of your blood, because if you're alive, we know what it is. That's the only test. Are you alive? All right, we know roughly what your pH is of your blood, because it has to stay what between like 7.35 and 7.45 pH, precisely that.
Speaker 1:But your tissue pH changes and so if your cells are unhealthy, the pH will go or the voltage will go up, from negative to positive. Cancer cells, interestingly enough, all seem to be positive voltage. So there's loss, that negative voltage which, you know, if you look around, nature is negatively charged, you have. You know, trees have negative ions, ocean has negative ions, the ground has negative ions. Cancer cells seem to be positive. You're, these are like zombie cells you could think about. These are cells that are not healthy enough to die and reproduce correctly. So also, as your voltage goes into the more positive levels, it actually stimulates infection.
Speaker 1:I mean, you could think about this in a similar way as like the ph of a pool. If your, if your pool's not the proper ph, it'll start to grow like algae and scum and all that kind of stuff. Right, it's the same thing happening within your body. So if you're, if your ph is not quite right, all the critters start to come out and that's perfect harmony. Really, when you think about it, it's like now it's opportunistic for them to take over and basically take the wheel. They're like, oh, these cells aren't doing the job. Now these candida cells are going to have an overgrowth and they're going to take over and do some of the work I can hear.
Speaker 2:Just a quick aside I can hear some listeners out there. I can feel them being like wait, go back to alkaline diets. Should I do that? Is that you skimmed over that? Is that a bad thing? I've been doing an alkaline diet, Is that not important?
Speaker 1:We haven't talked about this in a while, but should we?
Speaker 2:go into it just real quickly. For people wondering like wait, should I not be doing an alkaline diet or drinking like spending money on alkaline water? And I don't really feel like you need to spend money on alkaline water whatsoever. And something that I guess people don't necessarily realize is like your diet doesn't make you in any given moment, acidic or alkaline, because your body's going to be adaptive, like if you do that, like again, we know your blood's consistent, but you can do your tissue and your body's going to serve different functions in a more alkaline state or a more acidic state, and your body has the dynamic capability to shift based on need.
Speaker 2:That being said, what your diet allows you to do is have like buffering reserves to buffer acidity, and so you need those reserves, which are basically minerals.
Speaker 2:So you need a diet that's rich in minerals in order for your body to have that dynamic. So when it needs to be acidic, which might be like in like a tough workout or something, it needs to have the ability to buffer and control ph as it deems necessary. Now, if your diet is poor in minerals, what your body can do because it's brilliant is it can leach minerals from parts of your body that store minerals, like your bones, for example. So if you have a really acidic diet over a period of time, your body's going to do its best to stay um controlled from a ph level, but it's going to do that by essentially borrowingring from tissue that stores it, which is not good long-term. It's cool that your body can do that in the short term, but that creates problems down the road if that's how you're living. So, yeah, an alkaline diet makes a ton of sense, but alkaline water not necessarily. Just make sure you have a lot of minerals in your diet.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, and the alkaline water thing too is like you need your stomach to be super acidic, and so if the stomach acid is becoming more alkaline, that could be a problem for a lot of people.
Speaker 2:Yeah and yeah, alkaline water doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is getting back to this cell voltage issue, which is why structured water, or phase four water, is what where it's at. Oh yeah, because that's about optimizing your cell voltage capacity, which will be another episode, I'm sure. But yeah, alkaline water, I mean, if it's in front of you, great, I just wouldn't spend a lot of money on it, right?
Speaker 1:And for that matter, since we touched on optimal diets, I'd say optimal diet is always nutrient-dense food making it easy for your body to eat it too. Yeah, give it the raw materials.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I always think give your body the raw materials. Like you as a person who gets to choose what you want to eat. You're not like the grand, like architect, or even the general contractor for this project of the body upkeeping itself, but you are like you're the supplier self, but you are like you're the supplier. So it's like bring quality materials into the body, and a variety of materials, so the intelligence of the body can do the work that it needs to do. Yeah, so just give it the raw materials. Otherwise, um, you know, it might have to cut corners, because your body will cut corners if it needs to stay alive. Give it good quality material for it to do all the process that it needs to do, and nutrient-dense food is the surest bet. All right, this isn't a nutrition episode, because what I want to know, nick, is how did you do this letting go process while feeling sick? How did you do it? All right, do you have to be like an enlightened person to do it?
Speaker 1:oh, absolutely not. Do you have to be?
Speaker 2:in the pudding there? Yeah, do you have to be somewhat conscious to do it? Yeah, I mean you could do it in a fever state for sure, though if you're anxious or worried or angry at your spouse for bringing a germ home or something, could you do it under those conditions?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it should feel like you're doing almost nothing. I mean it should feel like floating right, where all the resistance is the effort. You know, if I'm trying to walk through a strong stream, that's effort. If I just float down the stream on my back, no effort. So letting go is not resisting. What are we letting go of?
Speaker 2:Resistance. Could I make an argument that being angry is being in resistance? Yeah, okay so yeah, or being fearful. Being fearful is being in resistance. But the beauty of this letting go technique is, even if you are in a fearful state, as soon as you choose, you make the choice to go through this letting go process. The process itself will resolve the fear. So you can be in a fearful state, for example, which is resistance, but if you do each step wholeheartedly, that'll resolve the fear as well. You have to make the choice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and part of the I think, difficulty up front when people are practicing the letting go technique is that they become fearful of the feelings or they start to add on a second layer of resistance. Right, it's like, oh, I'm a terrible person for feeling this way, or whatever Judgment and condemnation, whatever else. So it's like you can't go into a really analytical space. We're not problem solving anything. You're not problem solving the illness. You're getting out of your way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I think of it.
Speaker 1:You're just in that place of allowing yeah and you're like I am okay either way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so let's go through the steps. So first you have to make the choice. So that's not one of dr hawkins steps, but for me that is an important step is like oh, I can actually do something. Right now I'm recognizing that there's an experience that I'm having where healing could take place. So for me that's that's not a Dr Hawkins step, but I think it's important to be like can you even recognize you're an opportunity for healing? And if you recognize it, then you can get to his first step, which really is getting out of resistance. And the easiest way to do that is just by deciding to allow yourself to have whatever this experience is. And what's important is you don't try to name it. It's just an experience. If you say, oh, I'm getting the flu because my wife had it, or my husband had it, or my coworker or whatever, this is the flu. Why is that a problem, nick? Why don't you name the thing?
Speaker 1:Well, because you have all kinds of you know very, you have, I mean, you have this brain that's really strong, or mind that's really strong at empowering your body in certain directions. If you go into a belief about it, then you have to wrestle with the beliefs, you have to be able to undo beliefs and all that stuff that goes around with it. You know, if I really believe that this and that and this has happened and you might think maybe you don't have any strong beliefs about it, but you do because we all grew up in a certain society and family and whatever right.
Speaker 2:So in my opinion.
Speaker 1:yeah, you want to stay out of naming certain things because Because your body will go into the programming.
Speaker 2:It will go into the programming. Yeah, there's all kinds of interesting studies out there placebo studies or nocebo studies nocebo being the inverse of placebos where it's like they give these people a food to try to rank it and then it's like, oops, this is the gluten-free group. Right, we were supposed to do. Oh no, we gave you the wrong food to try. This had gluten. We're really sorry. And of course, it didn't have gluten. But people thought they got gluten and they watched them get like hives or diarrhea, all kinds of like physical symptoms. So not like this is in your head. It's like, no, they got hives. Why would they get hives? Well, it's because they have gotten hives before from gluten exposure. And so once they believed they were in an experience, the body's like oh yeah, we know what to do here, we know what to do, we know what this is like.
Speaker 2:Another study I really like is on this like people thought they were trying these shakes. There's two groups one thought they were trying like a weight loss, low calorie shake, and the other group thought they were trying like a weight gain or like muscle gain high calorie shake. The same same shake, but then two different groups. Uh, they monitored them for two hours and, of course, the ones who thought they were on a weight loss shake were all hungry in two hours. But it wasn't just in their head, they actually did a blood draw and they were high in a hormone called ghrelin. It's a hunger signaling hormone, like they had a hormonal change because they believed they were drinking weight loss food. Of course, the muscle gain, the muscle gain high calorie group, same shake all reported being satiated two hours later. And so that's the first thing about getting out of.
Speaker 2:Like a programming is don't placebo or nocebo yourself, because your body's like oh, we know what to do. Oh, the flu, we know what that is. And the body can just start going through a symptom profile based on a belief. So and that's true for like acid reflux or migraines it's like, oh no, I think I'm getting acid reflux. If that's the belief like, your body can just go through it like a script oh, acid reflux, we know what to do here. And so this letting go process is like I actually maybe I don't know what this is. I'm open to a brand new experience. I'm open, let's see what. Maybe I don't know what this is. I'm open to a brand new experience. I'm open. Let's see what happens. Maybe I don't know what this is. So the first step is allow yourself to have an experience and don't call it anything. It's just an experience you're going to allow. That's step one. Is that what you did?
Speaker 2:in the middle of the night, yeah well yeah, I mean, I like to.
Speaker 1:from my perspective, I like to kind of attack the belief head-on too at this point. So I like to try to update and delete the beliefs you know.
Speaker 2:That's kind of step three for Hawkins. So you're advanced, you can kind of like you can play jazz music with this, but Hawkins kind of canceling is step three. So step two for Hawkins is, once you're allowing yourself to have an experience, you go further, you go deeper and you actually welcome it. I'm welcoming this experience and now, instead of not using any names, like a flu or a headache, you don't use any words at all. This isn't good or bad, hot or cold, comfortable, uncomfortable. I'm just allowing this experience in this moment, right now, no words, which is really hard to do. So it does take some practice and that's why it's easier. You said like with one symptom, like shoulder pain, it's easier, whereas like a flu is a, like a plethora of symptoms yeah, but it's like not using any words, not describing this at all.
Speaker 2:I'm just welcoming this, and then step three is canceling. How do you do that, nick? What's your strategy?
Speaker 1:Or canceling.
Speaker 2:Canceling the belief You're talking about canceling the belief.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm always doing that. I mean I live a lifestyle of canceling beliefs as they come up.
Speaker 2:I mean I know, but how do you do that in your head, like, can you break it down?
Speaker 1:Well, how do?
Speaker 2:you do it. I'll break down how I understand it. But I want. But how do you do that in your head, like, can you break it down?
Speaker 1:I'll break down how I understand it, but I want to see how you do it. Yeah, it's one of those things. I don't think anyone's ever asked me this, but I, you know, because I've seen a lot of healing and healing itself can be very nonlinear. A lot of healing and then healing itself can be very nonlinear. I'm always I prioritize a nonlinear Well.
Speaker 1:Okay, this is going to be a way too complicated for people. All right, simplify I as beliefs come up that I'm aware of, right. Someone says something, for instance, like, oh, the flu's coming around, you know, everyone's getting the flu, I think in my head, you know. Or like a friend's coming over and it's like, oh, our kid had this this week. Is that okay? If we come over, we don't want your kids to catch a bug, okay?
Speaker 1:Boom, I'm already confronted with a belief. I'm confronted with their belief, I'm confronted with society's belief and I, uh, basically I try to de-energize that charge, that belief, by basically just being, by, first of all, saying no to it in my head. I have to be able to be like not opting in right. If there's a checkbox and it's like do I opt into this or do I not opt in, it's like not opting into this Just because that's happened in the past does not make it true. Does not make it true right. Just because you know it's a non sequitur, just because it's happened does not mean that it's all of reality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, here's what Hawkins says about it. So this is something you can write down. And next time you're in an opportunity to do this, letting go work. This is what you can write down. And next time you're in an opportunity to do this, letting go work. This is what you can say to yourself. You can say I am an infinitely healthy being and I'm no longer subject to that. And so that being the, the programming, the brainwashing, the indoctrination, whatever it is from the past and you kind of software download about your particular illness or symptom, I'm an infinitely healthy being and I'm no longer subject to that. I'm only subject to that which I hold in mind.
Speaker 2:Okay now, you can't choose everything that pops into your head. A lot of your thoughts, most of your thoughts are reactive, frankly. But you can choose, choose everything that pops into your head. A lot of your thoughts most of your thoughts are reactive, frankly, but you can choose what you hold in your mind. And so in that moment, you're going out of this fear programming, this lack programming, this victim programming like I'm the victim of this microbe into an empowered state.
Speaker 2:So the thing that Hawkins recommends you hold in mind is love. So the thing that Hawkins recommends you hold in mind is love. If you can't get that, gratitude is still very energizing and almost anyone can get into a gratitude state. But love is a very powerful healing state. So I'm no longer subject to that the old programming I'm only subject to that which I hold in mind and you're recognizing. You have a choice of what you want to hold in mind and if you can hold love in mind, using, like memories or your imagination, relationships you have in your life, you can raise your field into a very powerful healing state and that can be instantly transformative in your physical body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the infinite being part. You say I'm an infinitely healthy being. Keyword is infinite being. You're putting the right understanding on this fact that you're not just matter, but also a soul.
Speaker 2:That's immortal, right, yeah, and so the idea is I believe there's a source of health and that source is infinite and I believe I could be connected to that source, which makes me infinitely healthy. If I'm connected, does that make sense? Yeah, and so if you're like, I don't believe in a higher power, well, this probably won't work for you. Dr Hawkins says something I'm paraphrasing. I should know this quote because it's really good. But he says something like those who deny the fundamental nature of truth are denied its benefits. Yeah, so if you're an atheist and you've denied that there's a fundamental creative, benevolent, loving presence and a source of healing power, source of love, joy, peace, if you deny that, then you deny the benefits of that. And so, yeah, techniques like this probably will have no effect for you. And then, of course, you'll get the ego pay off by saying I knew this wouldn't work, I knew this wasn't true.
Speaker 1:Oh man, Yep. And you know that might be what the learning you're supposed to go through now, Yep, so might as well get the bennies.
Speaker 2:Might as well get the bennies Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, this is a pod. We all got other things to do, including getting to work.
Speaker 2:Great pod though, this is fun, I'm glad. Peace and love to everyone. We easily couldn't have done this. We easily could have been like no bro, cancel. Yeah, we both had excuses for sure, but I'm much better off having done this with you. I'm glad we did it Me too. Happy Friday, jake. Yeah, man, grateful for you.
Speaker 1:All right Love to everybody and reach out to us for all of your health concerns and any questions you might have.
Speaker 2:Yep show notes has ways of reaching out, please do. We'd love to be of service. Love you guys. Alright, bye.