The Deep Healing Project
The Wellness Brothers, Dr. Jake and Dr. Nick Hyde, talk about doctor stuff, or brother stuff, or sometimes both. Filled to the brim with humor, practical advice, and rich in-depth conversation, these brothers from opposite sides of the country connect on the topics that they truly love. Centered on holistic health, each podcast goes to the core of physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health and life.
The Deep Healing Project
Simple Swaps: Small Changes That Make a Big Health Difference
What if the most profound health changes didn't require expensive equipment, complicated protocols, or massive lifestyle overhauls? Join Dr. Nick and Dr. Jake Hyde as they reveal game-changing yet simple swaps that deliver outsized health benefits without breaking the bank.
The brothers dive into five transformative upgrades that require minimal effort but yield maximum impact. Discover why replacing table salt with mineral-rich alternatives provides up to 90 trace minerals missing from our modern food supply, and how this pennies-per-day change supports proper cellular hydration. Learn why the synthetic clothing touching your skin might be disrupting your hormones, and which natural fabrics offer a healthier alternative.
The conversation takes a fascinating turn when both doctors share their personal experiences with barefoot-style shoes. Dr. Nick reveals how after wearing prescription orthotics since childhood, switching to minimalist footwear eliminated chronic shin, Achilles, and knee pain within months. The brothers explain how conventional supportive shoes actually weaken foot muscles – similar to how wearing a back brace would deteriorate core strength.
You'll also discover why installing simple red lights for evening use dramatically improves sleep quality by preserving natural melatonin production, and which sugar alternatives offer sweetness without the metabolic downsides of processed varieties. Each recommendation comes with practical tips for implementation, specific products the doctors personally use, and the science explaining why these changes matter.
Whether you're just beginning your health journey or looking to fine-tune an already solid foundation, these accessible upgrades provide immediate benefits without requiring massive lifestyle restructuring. Subscribe to The Deep Healing Project for more practical, evidence-based approaches to optimizing your health one simple step at a time.
Welcome back to the Deep Healing Project. My name is Dr Nick Hyde. I'm with my brother, dr Jake Hyde. Good morning, hello, nick. Good to be here today. Yeah, now that we actually have a YouTube, I'm like a little bit self-conscious of the fact that not in my normal studio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you're just listening to the podcast and you're not watching it, Nick's in the man cave right now to the podcast and you're not watching it.
Speaker 1:Nick's in the man cave right now. Yeah, I know this is a garage and it's like not one of those bougie garages that other people might have. It's from the house, it's cold, there's fighters on me and I'm actually right next to the chicken coop, so we are going to hear that today, trying to reduce the noise, but yeah I think the morning sound is getting filtered out pretty good.
Speaker 2:But nick's got his gentleman sweater on. He's in a lounger chair, he's in his garage.
Speaker 1:It's a man cave I, I just happened to find this probably giveaway chair somewhere and I'm like oh, that's nice. It's got this like okay, this might be the place I do pods. I don't know, we'll see how this works out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we never put out videos before, so straight audio. So if you're one of our subscribers to the podcast channel, podcast world, we do have that option now, in case you didn't know about that. So check it out on youtube and check out nick's glorious man cave yeah, well, yeah, this.
Speaker 1:This is what happens when people are staying at our house and everything. So I don't you know's a problem when you record so early. It's like I will wreck everyone's life by this decision of recording if I'm recording in the house. But so what are we?
Speaker 2:on. Today, jake, I have a fun idea we can talk about, because it's the stuff the Internet loves. You know, simple life upgrade kind of ideas, and I was thinking swaps that you and I enjoy in our life that has made a big impact, like minimal effort, minimal cost, because a lot of holistic lifestyle type stuff people are like that's expensive, I can't do that in my life. We're talking simple swaps, things you probably already do or have, but just uh, modify it a little bit for an actual big impact. So the stuff that I'm thinking in my head I think makes a big difference and it doesn't change your life or the cost of your life that much. What do you think I'm in? All right, what, since I just sprung this on you, what comes to mind for you with this idea of just like simple swaps in your uh, in your routines, in your?
Speaker 1:lifestyle. Well, certainly food items. I'm thinking some cleaning items or some like yeah, I'm thinking fabrics, clothing fabrics yeah, yep, okay, that's kind of where I'm at let's go.
Speaker 2:Let's go, we're on the right track, all right. Uh, let's start with something super basic salt, so a lot of people use be called like table salt. Forever I cooked with kosher salt, which is, like I would say, an upgrade from your I denized kind of table salt, however, and I honestly I like kosher salt because I like to cook and like pinching. Really coarse grained kosher salt is nice for cooking reasons, but still haven't used that in years, although, although I still have nice memories of it. We're straight real-type salts. So real-type salts meaning like Celtic sea salt or Baja gold or Himalayan pink salt or what's called real salt on like Amazon, like Redmond's or something like that. You familiar, I love all of those. What do you use, nick?
Speaker 1:Well, I'd say, Celtic is actually my favorite. But you know, partly because of they've got the ratios pretty good and it's been used for a long time with health people and food people and everything Plus we have, we're of.
Speaker 2:Irish descent.
Speaker 1:So I, I really like Celtic sea salt, but then some days we're there at the store and it's like, whatever reason, extra expensive, and then you know I'll, I'll get something of equivalence um, usually pink himalayan or you know. Obviously redmond's real salt is like taking over the country. I have a couple issues with redmond's maybe a little bit, but it's. It's little bit, but it's. There's been some research to suggest that. You know, there's lots of heavy metals in and around that region and the salt. Probably there is some amount of that in the salt again, not like toxic, toxic levels, but you know, if you're doing it every day, you know at some point, and if you're just a person who's already somewhat toxic with metals, yeah which is probably more people than we're aware of.
Speaker 2:What about, like with the sea salts? Do you worry about heavy metals? And see, because ocean water is full of heavy metals, yeah, you know, not to that extent. Um, not as much, not as much well, one of the the the things that you're going for is what you're looking for would be like ancient salt beds, so like pre-industry for sure, and so what you're getting is a mineral blend that's going to be uh, free of at least industrial kind of byproduct.
Speaker 1:Now, yeah, yeah, I do want to. I do want to say this, though, really quick, even though I said that I still use it a lot Like I think that's what we have in my kitchen right now. I do think it's a good salt, and good salt, as we're saying, is a huge upgrade.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe something we can do on the show is um, when we release this, maybe we can link to some of these products we talk about on Amazon for convenience the ones that are on Amazon. I'm sure a lot of these things will be, so people can check it out for themselves. All right, why the upgrade? Well, it's because table salt contains very simple ingredient list sodium chloride, and then the one that has iodine added into it has that as well. But what does like these real salts that we're talking about? What's the ingredient list in these nicholas?
Speaker 1:oh man, that could be up to you. Know 80, 90, 100 different kind of minerals?
Speaker 2:and I was hoping you'd start listing them.
Speaker 1:yeah, no, next Nix, right Humanium 70.
Speaker 2:The list. I've seen like 70 to 90-something different trace minerals, which is really great, especially in the modern era where I would say the soil that our foods get, that a lot of our foods grow in, is mineral deficient, am I right? Oh yeah, and so used to have, I would say, more trace minerals in, say, just your fruits, vegetables, things like that. However, not so much these days because of how we treated the soil, but you can get some of these trace minerals back just by adding salt to your food or some people to your water, which I actually have been doing, a little bit of salt first thing in the morning, um, just to get them trace minerals going. You know what I mean totally yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this has been. You know, if you're a client of mine, you definitely hear me talking about this. I think a lot of people are dehydrated on the mineral side of dehydration, you know they they might drink an okay amount of water, but they just don't have enough minerals, man, yeah, so just filtered water.
Speaker 2:we don't really have a reservoir in our body for plain old filtered water other than our bladder, meaning there's nowhere really in our body for that water to go other than our bladder. But water with minerals in it and, if you wanted extra points like structured water, phase four water, the reservoir for that is in ourselves, which is what actual hydration is yeah, I work with this guy.
Speaker 1:Uh, well, I said I shadowed him sometimes dr titus chu he's got one of the coolest names and dr personas I've ever seen and, um, he used a bioelectrical impedance analyzer to see how hydrated people were.
Speaker 2:I've heard these. I've never got to play with one yeah he had.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about afterwards. I was like, dude, I need to get one of those. I'm like, how much does that cost? He's like, oh, oh, like $6,000. I'm like I don't really care that much.
Speaker 2:If someone would like to gift Dr Nick one of those, he's open to it though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely work that out. But yeah, hydration is important, man, and, like as you're saying, real cellular hydration is really important. That is an easy thing people can try, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I'm saying easy swap, totally. We actually have filtered water from our home. We have a water filter and I'll fill up a glass container and and have a little bit of salt in that container Not that you would ever taste it. It won't taste salty to you. If it does taste salty, you probably put too much in. Frankly, yeah, yeah I mean your taste buds.
Speaker 1:I like to remind people of this. Like people are kind of disconnected from themselves, your taste is the neurofeedback mechanism that kind of lets you know what's up. So if you don't taste the salt at all, but you added salt in, you're probably depleted. If you're like whoa, this is really salty, then your body's saying that's too much for me. But you might find somebody else in your home where that person's like, ooh, this tastes really good. I find that putting salt in the water actually does make it taste better, as salt does right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree. Yeah, for cooking purposes mostly, salt makes things taste better, not salty, and the salt is like a main ingredient, like in French fries or something. The only thing salt does is just bring out flavor. So, like I made French press coffee this morning, tiny pinch of salt in my coffee too.
Speaker 1:Frankly, that's how I live, Nick yeah.
Speaker 2:My son likes a little bit of salt on his cookies. We make chocolate chip cookies. He likes a little salt on there, fancy boy. But salt and chocolate is a nice combo. Alright, that's enough on salt. Yeah, how about? Uh, do you want to throw one out there?
Speaker 1:I got a list already in my head um, I'm gonna go with the the clothing thing. You know, I I think there's way too much toxic clothing out there right now and there's a lot of research that suggests you don't want those touching your private parts. You really don't Huge endocrine disruptors. What am I talking about? I'm talking about all the synthetic clothing items. It's pretty much all of the synthetic ones. So what's a real clothing item is? You know, you got cotton, you got wool linen.
Speaker 2:Nick's a big fan of the birthday suit.
Speaker 1:Well, the boys in my house are for sure, that's for sure uh, what about?
Speaker 2:what about things that say 100 cotton? Do you think you can trust it? Like, I bought some some underpants and they are 100 cotton.
Speaker 1:I think that's pretty safe well, I always have before, but now you're getting me suspicious no, I actually don't know.
Speaker 2:I haven't looked into this.
Speaker 1:We're starting a new, I know.
Speaker 2:Well, because they can do that with food, right? Because if it's below a certain threshold for, like, a processed food item, they don't have to list the ingredient. I'm just wondering if clothes manufacturing has similar loopholes. Write us in, Tell us what you think, if you're an expert in this. We don't know.
Speaker 1:So yeah, 100% cotton, 100% wool pretty safe for the most part, yeah, and you could just tell the difference. Like I have these like socks that are synthetic materials and then I have some wool socks and cotton socks, whatever, some wool socks and um and cotton socks, whatever, but the wool ones are like. They're like like wool is like super powered it is clothing item.
Speaker 2:It is. It'll warm you up and cool you off, depending on the temperature outside yeah and it's like antimicrobial.
Speaker 1:You know, like you could wear those socks, probably never wash them, and they still are like clean, somehow, like wool cleans itself pretty much. I'm not saying I do that, I'm saying one could potentially pull that off. And then linen is awesome. I mean it's like amazing. So I mean all of those things are really amazing. Now, why do I not like synthetics? Because they're major endocrine disruptors and a lot of them might even have these forever chemicals that are very hard to detox. Because they are forever. You know they're very long lasting. They will outlast you.
Speaker 2:If you have a menu, you know all right what, when you're looking for material blends and clothing, you're buying what materials that are normally listed. Are you trying to avoid?
Speaker 1:Polyester is number one. And then there's always, you know, there's a bunch of names. You know I didn't get ready for this, but there's a bunch of other like poly-something blends. Bunch of other like holly, something blends. Um, radon, like radon is not you know anyone. That's not cotton, linen or wool.
Speaker 2:There you go suspicious of hemp, oh yeah, you could do that yeah, but if it's like, yeah, if it's something that's clearly like a crop yeah, I guess, like sheep are also kind of like a crop, yeah, something you'd find on a farm hemp yeah, if it looks like something, you would say like you're talking to a farmer and it's like hey, what do you, what do you grow on your farm?
Speaker 1:And if that's an ingredient you're probably safe. Yeah, and just one last point on this. You know a lot of the swaps sometimes for health care are like more expensive, but the the synthetic clothing is like the expensive one right now. You know everyone wants to go get the lululemon pants or or whatever. Like I don't know. I'm not that into trends right now clearly we're not.
Speaker 2:We're not. We'd have to have a guest to talk about clothes for reals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all I know is like, the pants that are expensive for men right now that I've seen and recently purchased are usually the synthetic ones. Now I'm sure you can get some very expensive linen, or you know I don't shop all wool, you know, I just have, like some items that are wool but that would probably get expensive as well.
Speaker 2:Right, but cotton's not. Yeah, this is just a 100% cotton t-shirt and it wasn't expensive. All right, all right. Next one Ooh, a lot of goodies, let's do light. So the simple swap is if you can do natural light, that's the swap. I always prefer natural light if possible, but then in my house. So this is the swap that we did. Is we just bought like in my house? So this is the swap that we did. Is we just bought like red lights, for I'm pretty they're pretty cheap lamps too, but all the bedrooms and the two like main living areas, living room and the family room have these red lights that go on at night, and we don't use any. Anything with like a blue light or, yeah, any kind of neurotransmitter disrupting light sources. Besides, like we will maybe have a screen on, but, um, also all of our tech switches to a blue light filter in the evening. So we're swapping light. Not that technology, not that technologically complicated and, uh, not expensive either that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen some people have really good results with that like and I know that that's something we've talked about for you in the past where you know you got your. Your sleep hygiene is really important for you I've had struggles with sleeping in the past.
Speaker 2:Yep, some of my health struggles for sure. So, um, and our four-year-old soon to be five-year-old actually, when this gets released to be five impossible for him to just sleep easily. That guy is. That guy could power a city with his energy. And so, yeah, we do want to be mindful of things that disrupt the chemical messaging to his brain that it's dark and that it's time to prepare for rest.
Speaker 2:So the red lights are kind of cool, the ones we have. You can dim them to varying degrees, but at full capacity it's enough for us to read. Definitely, a kid's book is easy to read, but even a grown-up, smaller-fonted book could still read if you wanted to. But it's also just enough to be able to go around to your house. You can tidy up up, you can clean, like you can see, but you're not telling your brain that it the sun's still out. Yeah, simplest way to put it. See, the red light thing has been, um, a recent upgrade, I would say. We, I've been dragging my feet on. I'm thinking it'd be like expensive or technical to like train my wife on this stuff, and then no, the technology just kind of caught up. It's really easy, not expensive that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think I got another one. All right, I want to go back to the kitchen and, uh, I was thinking about sugars.
Speaker 2:Oh man Cool, yeah, yeah, great conversation.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because you're talking about your son Henny, and I was thinking about my son, rafa, and he is a sugar sensitive person. You know, like, you know, just your normal white sugar, that's nuts, that gets a man. It's like behavioral changing, right, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, so we it is. So sometimes you do these things out of necessity, but, um, I think this was a larger conversation. You know, if you go really way back in our podcasts, we talked to a guy named Justin Polger who has yes to Cacao brand of chocolate and he opened me up to this idea of sweetening things with other stuff, like lacuma and whatever. We don't really use that, but it's made a difference, so we do use turbinado sugar which is still a sugar that's going to have impact on a glycemic index.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's real sugar, but it's raw, it's like unprocessed, yeah, or lightly processed, and that seems to do a little bit better. So it's just like if you were growing your own sugar in the backyard, your sugar beets or whatever you know, then you, then you're gonna process it in your own kitchen. It's probably it would end up more like turbinado, and it's not a white color, it's like a yellowish kind of color, like brownish color, so that's one.
Speaker 2:And then honey and molasses, sorghum we don't use sorghum but you know, well, I guess, shout out my father-in-law, he's got, he's got a sorghum guy, he's got a hookup, so we get these like big jars of it from him periodically, that you know when he gets his sorghum delivery, uh. But sorghum is, I would say, uh, when we get it in a syrup form, not unlikeasses, but not like blackstrap molasses, it's a lot. It looks maybe more the color of like a real maple syrup, which is another sweetener we use, like real organic. Yeah, maple syrup is great. Yeah, sorghum, it has a flavor to it. It kind of reminds me almost like it smells, kind of like if you walk into a brewery. Oh yeah, not the hoppy smells, but like the I don't know Malty, yeah, malty. So that one's pretty good.
Speaker 2:Now, we're talking so far just real sugars, just natural forms of sugars, and what's better about them? Well, there's actually nutrients in these too. There's a lot of minerals in these sugars that we're mentioning, uh. But there's also some non-sugary sweeteners that are actually pretty good for you. That used to not be true if it was an artificial sweetener, like you used to see things be like. No artificial sweeteners in here. Why? Because those were really toxic. Yeah, yeah, really bad. But there's some artificial sweeteners that actually have have like health benefits to them.
Speaker 2:Now, um, name a note like all right, stevia, famous one, actually pretty healthy for you. Erythritol is a sugar alcohol that's actually really good for your like mouth health, gum health. Uh, monk fruit sugar is actually a good tasting sugar that doesn't actually raise your blood sugars. Um, and that one like tastes pretty good, whereas, like, if you have too much stevia in something, it tastes like bitter. If you have a little bit stevia, it's fine, too much it's good bitter.
Speaker 2:Uh, I think erythritol does kind of a similar thing and so so, for example, we baked cookies yesterday, my son and I, and part of the texture of a cookie is given to you by sugar. Yeah, um, so you can't just straight swap and expect to have like a nice texture of a cookie that you're expecting, but we do like half and half. So we did half monk fruit, half, uh, raw sugar, and raw sugar is kind of a substitute for um, not exact substitute, but almost like a substitute for brown sugar. You know some cookie recipes would be like half white sugar, half brown sugar. So it's like we did real sugar, monk fruit sugar or monk fruit sweetener be more technical and then a little bit of dark maple syrup too, to to get more of that. The right flavor profiles, yeah and um, yeah, it's not gonna like make him go nuts like store-bought cookies or you know. I mean, we treat, our boy gets treated. He likes to get treated.
Speaker 1:That sounds nice.
Speaker 2:These homemade ones are much better Like we could give it to him like for dessert after dinner and he's not going to lose it Like other kind of more processed sweeteners. Processed sweet treats.
Speaker 1:Yes, kind of more processed sweetenings, processed sweet treats, yes, and I think you know it's like why are we talking about these swaps? Uh, I think each point on a health point is important, like we talk about our kids, because you know there's like the craziness that comes with too much sugar, but on a different level, you know sugar is like one of the biggest enemies out there in the health space. You know, yeah, you could talk about metabolic syndromes, like probably most people have that. Um, they have some problem with their metabolism.
Speaker 1:That's something we could talk hours and hours and hours on that's probably a full episode, yeah, but then even, like you know, alzheimer's, which is people calling diabetes type 3, it's very much a sugar problem as well. As people can have, you know, genetic issues too, but it's very much a sugar problem. So having like tending towards real sugars when you're going to have something sugary and you want to enjoy that's, that's a good way of doing it, but it's still, you know, not something you should overindulge in Um yeah, it's like, um, it's like a recreational drug.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it shouldn't be a dietary staple, but it's like we're at a birthday party or it's christmas or, you know, thanksgiving, easter's coming up, you know, it's like I have a little sugar today.
Speaker 1:It's a party yeah, or yeah, I mean. Or like you know, you make oatmeal or something that doesn't taste quite right without, like a little bit of maple syrup in there or something. You know like that's okay, but we're not promoting doing it all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah Well, especially for an adult, kids can handle more glucose. So I'm not saying like high fructose corn syrup, I'm saying glucose because they're trying to get bigger.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they need lots of energy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're trying to get larger. For most adults, myself included, I'm not trying to be bigger right now. Most adults are trying to get smaller and so, like, glucose is just not and even carbohydrate, for that matter, is an essential nutrient. You don't need it, you can go without that. So, yeah, it's about just a healthy relationship with it, based on your goals. For some people that means like probably zero sugar and for some people it means like, yeah, moderate, time to time, enjoy life a little bit, all right. But yeah, these swaps, uh, big upgrade, I would say huge upgrade yeah, it is more expensive.
Speaker 2:sugar is pretty cheap, but if you don't use it that much, like the maple syrup we buy either like trader joe's, all these or costco, it's not that expensive. Yeah, you know what I mean. I got a sorghum guy. I got a hookup. I've never bought sorghum, you know, so shout out Hank for that. But even like monk fruit sugar is not that expensive. Definitely is compared to sugar, but we just don't use it that much, so it works. Yeah, I'd say automatic, make that upgrade. All right, here's one.
Speaker 1:You've ever worn shoes before, Nick. I am right now. What do I?
Speaker 2:need to know. A big upgrade for me that I actually did during our hiatus our four-and-a-half-year podcast hiatus did during our hiatus our like four and a half year podcast hiatus was buying barefoot style or minimalist type of footwear and big payoff for that real big, tell me the payoff, and actually this is something that I do too, but we haven't actually talked about this on a show before I know well, part of my journey was like I was put on like prescription orthotics at a pretty young age probably like 11, 12, that time period and so I wore like these very expensive inserts in my shoes up till I was like 28, 29, probably even 30.
Speaker 2:Cause in school I don't know about you we got like prescription stuff for like inserts because there's companies that were trying to get us to buy like foot scanning equipment to sell, you know, in our future clinics and things like that. But what I did was I started training my feet more, because what your your arches aren't like some kind of cobblestone bridge over a creek. That's like in concrete. The arches of your feet are. It's like laminated muscles, it's layers of muscle stacked on top of each other. And so if you say, like I have flat feet, it's like saying you just have like no core muscles, for example, like I have a weak core. Well, you can train that and it can become more functioning. Most people, you can just train your feet to become better feet.
Speaker 2:And what my orthotics do, or shoes that have like arch support do, is give your feet muscles um a day off. Essentially they don't have to work. So I guess the analogy would be like if you wore a back brace all the time. You give your core muscles no incentive to get stronger and offer more support because the job's being done already. So what would happen if you wore a back brace all the time? You'd just develop a weak core. And so I started doing that around 30, but then at like 36,. This was maybe four years ago, maybe not even, but around this time I bought my first pair of barefoot shoes so no art sports, almost like ballet slippers, and these were running shoes. You can barefoot style any, any type of shoe, and I would be someone who'd go for one or two runs a week, like four or five miles yeah I got these out of the box, went for my first run.
Speaker 2:About a half mile down the road I turned home. I was like I gotta go home. Yeah, I can't run anymore. Um, but what barefoot style shoes make you do is run a more biomechanically appropriate way versus these running. These, like the modern running shoes, allow you to heal strike. You have these big padded shoes and you can run anyway because the shoe kind of absorbs the stress for you.
Speaker 2:So I was running on like the balls of my feet, which is biomechanically sound, and it was just forcing my leg muscles, particularly like my calf muscles, to do a lot of work that they weren't trained to do. So I would say the first, the first couple months, was an adjustment period of my body adjusting to it. But here's something that's interesting forever my entire adult life I never I hadn't had shin splints since college basketball, but like if I touched my shins they'd be tender and I didn't have like heel pain. But if I pinched my Achilles heel it would always be tender. Does that make sense? I had off and on, you know, hip pain to knee pain, things like that. Three or four months into barefoot shoes for walks or runs, chin pain gone, achilles heel tenderness gone, knee soreness gone, and all I did was just change the footwear yeah, well, your foot is more functionally stronger.
Speaker 1:I've found very few things that strength can't in some way fix and you mean your foot getting stronger, your calves getting stronger, all that stuff. I experienced something similar. I was having foot pain that I just could not get rid of, and uh, and then, yeah, I switched over to some barefoot shoes. Witten is my brand, yeah, yeah, cause Witten's are super affordable.
Speaker 1:They're very affordable. It's an Amazon brand, and so I got some of those as well as just like I think when I first actually, my first shoe wasn't that, but when I first started it was like I'm just going to be barefoot more of the day.
Speaker 2:So even at work I was like not shoes and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and just being in socks and stuff, but yeah, yeah outdoors barefoot as much as possible if you're in an appropriate place I know your kids are the same way. But kids like barefoot unless we're walking in a parking lot, grocery store, school, but barefoot as much as possible. You want your kids' feet to be strong, durable, adaptable. You don't want to put their little feetsies in little casts. Basically, right, fun story I went this past weekend, went to a playground.
Speaker 2:A playground was meeting one of my son's best friends. It's playground they like to go to. So we went and the dad who, um, I'm friends with two shows up and he's got a fresh new pair of some like barefoot, some wittens, and I was like nice man. He's like, yeah, I'm trying to get this going and I'm like cool dude, I love it. This is, you know, sharing my story, my testimony a little bit with him. And then another mama's at the park like creeps up to it. She's like you guys talking about barefoot shoes. I was like, yeah, so we were getting into it, the three of us. And then her friends show up that she was meeting there this couple and they're both rocking the barefoot shoes too and it's like there's five adults just talking about them.
Speaker 1:Oh man, your parks are cooler than mine.
Speaker 2:I mean we're in East Nashville, dude, it's so cool here. Yeah, very good. But yeah, it was fun Five adults, one new newbie but four experienced barefooters all talking about how game-changing it is. So big upgrade, I would say. And you know, they used to be ugly like totally hideous yeah it is not. They're quite fashionable now and if you want to spend some money, they can be very fashionable. I almost bought some barefoot like boots. Um, you know the brand?
Speaker 2:zero, yeah, uh one of the first ones out there, I think, yeah, one of the first ones out there. You can get some really nice barefoot fashion. Um, I just I don't spend money on clothes, so I don't, I don't do that, but you can, I almost did. Maybe I will this next year. Um, because I tell you what I have nice boots that I wear in the winter time and my feet don't like that anymore. They want the minimalist shoe.
Speaker 1:They want that feel it's amazing how, how it changes, how it shifts, and you're like what is this now? Like this is so uncomfortable, like this is what you used to wear like two years ago, five years ago. Um, I will say, though, if I'm gonna go for uh, you know, like a long hike, I'll have a thicker sole, but I'll I'll. I have zero drop shoes to do that, so they're like they give you the foot split. You know Witten's has some of those, but Ultra is another brand I've used. That's like, if I'm going to go for like an eight-mile hike, you know, with a barefoot shoe, like over rocks and stuff, like that's probably going to get to me, yeah, but at the three mile mark.
Speaker 2:It's just start to be like I. I need a break for me when I wear these shoes on hikes. It's like about three miles, it's like okay, I don't have hobbit feet yeah, all right, I don't want that much, you know.
Speaker 1:Again, if you were just walking all the time, that probably probably would be no problem. Yeah, you'd probably be used to it.
Speaker 2:Cool. Well, I think we make a list of these things we mentioned and maybe we can link some show notes. You guys can just check it out so you don't have to hunt the internet yourself. There's plenty more, so we can do a part two of this if you guys are enjoying it.
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