The Deep Healing Project
The Wellness Brothers, Dr. Jake and Dr. Nick Hyde, talk about doctor stuff, or brother stuff, or sometimes both. Filled to the brim with humor, practical advice, and rich in-depth conversation, these brothers from opposite sides of the country connect on the topics that they truly love. Centered on holistic health, each podcast goes to the core of physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health and life.
The Deep Healing Project
Who's Sponsoring Your Thoughts? Breaking Free from Mental Programming
We explore the paradox of thoughts being both critically important yet surprisingly unimportant in determining our quality of life and wellbeing. Your thoughts significantly influence long-term health, but when you become conscious of them, they lose their overwhelming power.
• Thoughts aren't actually "you" but are programmed by outside influences – they're essentially sponsored content in your brain
• 90-95% of your daily thinking happens subconsciously, making it crucial to understand what's influencing these automatic patterns
• Breaking free from negative thought cycles requires interrupting the experience-thought-feeling-choice loop that creates our recurring life patterns
• Minimalism in information consumption helps reclaim mental space and limit negative influences
• Recognizing the hidden payoffs of seemingly negative patterns is essential for lasting change
• You can't control which thoughts appear, but you can absolutely choose which ones to hold in mind
• High-quality influences like nature, classical music, meaningful literature and art help retune your mental state to healthier frequencies
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all right. Well, you know what, dude? I just love this. I love being here with you early saturday morning with my bro. Yeah, man, super jealous.
Speaker 2:I wish I was here with you Early Saturday morning with my bro. Yeah man, Super jealous. I wish I was actually with you. Nick's out Outside of the man cave today. He's out in nature. He's got a campfire going. What a life, Nick. What a life you live.
Speaker 1:Well it's, you know not like hard or expensive or luxurious to do a campfire, that's pretty basic human stuff, but you know it's. You know not like hard or expensive or luxurious to do a campfire, that's pretty basic human stuff. But you know it's nice. And you know I haven't heard any feedback about our awesome opening song.
Speaker 2:What's our opening song?
Speaker 1:No, the opening song. Have you heard it For our podcast? Wait, I know what it used to be. What's the new one? Oh man, well, you're gonna have to listen to it. Yeah, I might have to all right.
Speaker 2:Well, you haven't heard feedback from me either, so a little embarrassing people, people just think that we, you know, we outsource everything.
Speaker 1:No, we do not. We do everything by hand pretty much at this in this group of people, me and you. So I made that with with my little bro, rafa. He kind of helped guide the mission. But we just opened GarageBand. We got together some tunes, did some MIDI recording, knocked it out. It's funky, nick, I like it.
Speaker 2:I'm listening to it right now Very funky.
Speaker 1:All right I dig. Well, it kind of is it the best possible thing we could do? No, but I felt like it fit our new little rebrand where we're taking back some of our like initial childhood character of like 80s and 90s stuff that spoke to us as kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you know, we always like to say we give the people what they want, and so tell us what you think, we'll keep it, we'll try something new, we'll mix it up.
Speaker 1:It really won't hurt me.
Speaker 1:Whatever it really won't what would it hurt your, would rafa's feelings get hurt? He won't know that it won't be the opening anymore. He doesn't listen to the podcast. I thought he was a fan. Yeah, I'll just give him his own little recording of it and he'll play it when he wants. The song that we made together, dude, it's great. Come on, we'll make more. So here we are. Today. We have something I think very important to talk about. Again, we didn't pre-rehearse any of this, but I don't even know what this is going to be. Well, yeah, okay, so we really did not pre-rehearse this.
Speaker 2:I think I know.
Speaker 1:I think I know what this is Well this gets into a theme I hate to say it's probably important for every single person every time I see them in office, because our thoughts are very important. We talk a lot about thoughts in here because you know the philosophies, the healing principles. The healing philosophies that people really have access to is what's in their own head, what's in their own heart.
Speaker 2:Can I make this more complicated? Sure, your thoughts are both really important and also not that important, yep. That is the way of the mind it is the context of thinking about your thoughts.
Speaker 2:Your thoughts are really important in so much as they can really create your long-term health condition that you exist in, like your thoughts are heavily influential there. So I guess your thoughts aren't that. Your thoughts are really important, especially if you're not paying attention to them. They're very influential on your overall mood and your long-term disposition and how your body prioritizes function, but if you're paying attention to them, if you're conscious of them, they become not that important. Yeah, does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, because you can have a crazy thought, like a disturbing thought, right. So this is a good example, because you and I have little kids and it's like you can have a very disturbing, intrusive thought about like a worst case scenario with the child right. She pops into your head and you're like whoa, whoa, what was that? And so what you could do is you could feel the feelings of that thought, like where your mind went, and you play through that scenario or that simulation and it changes the feeling state that you have in that particular period of your life. Or you can be like that was a crazy thought. Wow, it's crazy how it went so far so fast, and then realize it was just a thought.
Speaker 2:It's not actually you. Thoughts are, for the most part, not you at all. They're kind of relics of your past experiences in some ways popping up, and that's all that is so. That thought was programmed into me. It's not me, and that's all that is so. That thought was programmed into me, it's not me, and I can just observe it like I watched a video on my phone, someone sent me and then move on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we need to have a basic control of what's going on there, like gardening our brain, you know. But that kind of gets us to this topic for today. And, as you're saying, where did that thought come from? The idea is, who is sponsoring your thoughts? I like that way of saying it because it is like these thoughts are brought to you by Pfizer or whatever. Exactly, where did this come from.
Speaker 2:Yeah, someone's paying for that thought. Someone endorsed it, someone planted it not necessarily someone. Something, some experience, wow, your thoughts aren't necessarily yours.
Speaker 1:They're programmed in by an outside influence, almost always um, not to say have you ever been in the middle of an argument and you're like you're arguing with this person and after a little bit of time you're like I just had a realization that this opinion isn't actually that important to me. I don't even know why I'm arguing it. Where did it come from? I don't know. Why is this? Why is this so important?
Speaker 2:it's not that important, um it feels important when we identify with it. This opinion is my opinion, it's part of me. But you're not defending an opinion, you're defending yourself. That's why you're getting in this argument. You don't want to be in? Yeah, but if you have non-attachment to it, as our you biggest hero legend, dr David Hawkins, says or teaches devotional non-attachment, where it's just like this is just an opinion, it's not my opinion. It's opinion I currently agree with, but it's not my opinion. So if someone says that's a dumb opinion, they're not calling me dumb, they're critiquing an opinion that's not me, just something that at the moment I seem to agree with. But I'm open to changing my mind about it too, because it's not me, I don't have to change at all. I can just be like oh, that's a good point, I hadn't really thought about that, and be completely non-offended by it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's things I enjoy, including my own opinions, but that doesn't change the reality of life at all. But on another level, what I do want to say is how to change the reality of life at all. But on another level, what I do want to say is how to change the reality of life with those thoughts. 90% we talked about this before in the podcast 90% of what's happening in our day is subconscious. We're just going through the rhythms.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've seen some neuroscientists argue 95% of your day. It's high people. 95% of your thoughts you're not even aware of. You didn't choose them, you didn't even think about those thoughts. But that also means, like 95% of your decisions, your choices are subconscious as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So if you want your life to change, I'd say working towards changing what's happening most of the time. This is why so many people are like. They're like why won't that person leave that really bad partner or whatever, or why can't this person lose weight? Or some of these conversations people have. Or maybe you feel it's like I'm stuck in a pattern. How do I get out of this? Have it. Or or maybe you feel it's like I'm stuck in a pattern. How do I get out of this? Well, we got to learn how to have access to changing that. 90, 95, and so when I'm talking about who's sponsoring your thoughts, where are these thoughts coming from? Obviously, the goal of any of our conversations is how do we heal better, and so I want to talk with Jake about what he thinks, what he's used to update that subconscious patterning so that you can live the life that you want. Why? Because it's your life, you know. I think everyone should be motivated to change their life. Why? Because it's theirs. You have options.
Speaker 2:Don't needlessly suffer, you know yeah, don't needlessly, don't like, invite extra suffering that doesn't need to be there, like they'll be suffering in your life. It's inescapable. You don't want to waste perfectly good suffering, you know, because it's essential for growth, that kindcapable. You don't want to waste perfectly good suffering, you know, because it's essential for growth, that kind of stress. But you just don't have to create unnecessary suffering in your life, all right. So one way I think about this, this is like a Dr Joe Dispenza idea, but you're definitely like there's on a cycle of your experiences, all right. So you have an experience and that experience the um stimuli coming in elicits a thought about what's going on. So some kind of stimulus coming in triggers a thought to come to the front of your mind. Those thoughts then influence your feeling because you know, because of Simo patterns, things we talk about in our technique we have emotions tied to memories, and so your experience is eliciting a memory tied to a thought. Thought comes up, you have a feeling associated with it and over time those feelings create your overall mood and your feelings then dictate the choices you make and then the choices you make create your experiences and so you have like experience, thoughts, feelings, choices. Back to experiences.
Speaker 2:So if you want to make a change, you've got to find somewhere in that loop, that cycle, to insert something intentional. And it's kind of hard because those thoughts are, for the most part, reactive, unless you're incredibly mindful as a person, and then your emotions are largely reactive. But you can intentionally change your experiences. So that choice, how you emotionally make a choice, you can choose to create new experiences and what that does is provide, have new feelings, and then you'll start making different choices. And that's how you can like, instead of being stuck in a feedback loop, you can like a spiral staircase, like work your way up to, uh, a life that's more supportive, more life giving, more affirming, more beautiful. You know what I mean. Oh, baby, yeah. So that's like you can choose to um like, once you're aware of okay, this is not exactly the life that I want to live, it's not what I've chosen for myself. Choose a novel experience, go on an adventure, go on a retreat, go to join a new group, meet some new people, have new conversations.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yes, that's beautiful. I think, going off of what Jake's saying, you know what kind of comes up to mind to me is if you have not really a whole lot of control of the 90% immediately, you know it just is happening. Well, you do have control of that 5% to 10%. And what would I do with that? I'm going to use my 5% to 10%. Well, you got to always be working on a new, healthier pattern for your life and sometimes you know it's like taking back internal locus of control. You know it's like I'm not going to be influenced by all these other things influencing me that are meant to influence me. And so, for me, something recently I've been working with is this concept of minimalism, where it's like I have too many access points that I can't control what's influencing me and my thoughts. I'm going to limit them, I'm going to limit time to them and I don't have a lot of willpower. But I have like five to 10% access to this willpower that if I just do this one thing well, over time it'll pay out. So I won't get into all of the things because you guys will think I'm weirder than I am. But no, you won't think I'm weirder than I am, you'll just start to know how weird I really am. But, um, we saw this with with my son, rafa, a couple years ago. We decided to like only watch things on the weekend, so we don't watch tv in the week, which was really difficult at first.
Speaker 1:But now I find when I pull up, you know, all these streaming platforms, that's like there's nothing that actually looks good to me anymore. I don't know if that's just what. Everyone's really kind of not doing a great job in the streaming platforms, but it's like it just doesn't even look appetizing or pleasing in any way. And it's really changed what we consume. It's changing what I consume having more distance from social media, more control over that, trying to have more control over even spending time in areas of Northern California that don't calibrate very high, have kind of a low level of consciousness or people that, and people that are very negative. You know it's just like controlling these inputs.
Speaker 1:So I'm not surrounded by negativity and darkness and you know I mean there's people who come into me for help, but there's at least hope there. You know, with those people right, I'm not being, I'm not blindly giving in to my environment and influences. You know I'm not like, because that's what happens. It's like I'm not paying attention to the fact that this is all having a very big effect on me and I have found I really like it. I actually got into minimalism. Not all of these concepts are minimalist, but I think some of them are. I got into it from nick wignall, an old well, jake's very close friend, but an old uh podcast guest. I don't know how many years ago we interviewed him, six or seven, maybe six or seven, but he was writing.
Speaker 1:At the time he was writing lots of articles on minimalism for his great blog, which is still extraordinarily successful, and he is a psychologist and it just made a lot of sense to me when he was writing about it, so that's a good resource for people. I want to always plug our guests and our friends.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we'll have Nick back probably this year. He's just the best person ever. But I tell you, if you don't want to give up watching stuff like right now, I'm in the newborn, like new newborn phase a lot of like middle of the night rocking sessions. Yeah, my baby goes through phases of um, he'll sleep like an angel if he's being held, you know. So I got to do my graveyard shifts too and it's easy to just get on your phone and just be entertained.
Speaker 2:But I'm with you, nick, if you don't cultivate or curate the content coming in, you could just feel lousy by the end of it. And so something I noticed too, because, like youtube shorts, is so stimulating. Yeah, I don't know if maybe not everyone has access to youtube shorts or really explored it, but it's like you get these short content things that are just juicy, like little succulent pieces of content, and you can just burn through that for an hour and all of a sudden it's like what happened, what happened to my life? You don't feel good at the end of it. So what I've been trying hard to do is to go for long-form stuff that's slow developing.
Speaker 2:So if I do watch something I'm trying to watch movies I might not finish a whole movie in a night, but I'll go through something and I try to go through something that's highly rated, beautiful in its own way. The writing is beautiful, the cinematography is beautiful, the music something that's a little higher consciousness and slower developing. So my neurology is not just being hijacked and, like I said, your thoughts aren't you, they're sponsored by someone. So I'd rather have an artist planting seeds in my mind beauty than some guy in his you know home studio just commenting on on the world, just planting seeds in my brain. And if I do long form content, like if I don't want to watch something in the middle of the night, which usually I don't, but if I'm trying to stay awake I will, but if I'm just hanging out, I'll listen to something and I'll choose like an hour long lecture on something I'm curious about, something I'm trying to learn, or like a long form interview style podcast with a person I admire Does that make sense, someone I'm choosing to be influenced by.
Speaker 1:Oh, definitely influenced by. Oh, definitely, yeah, I I don't mean to belittle the fact that there's better access to lots of really good stuff, like our podcast. Please like, subscribe, share, um but yeah, there's lots of good stuff out there and I think that that has made a tremendous impact on my life. I know there was a pretty rough patch where I wanted to do the healing thing well, but I was kind of stuck in this chiropractic box and I had people in my life that were telling me like there's more, there's more to healing, and I'm like, but what is it? And I found a lot of good stuff on youtube. At that time I think I watched like an hour plus a day of like or like I'd have it on when I was like driving or something of of people who knew what they're talking about when it comes to healing, and that forever changed my life. So I don't want to belittle the fact that there's really good stuff out there and very beautiful, very, very true, very good stuff. That's kind of what I'm saying is it's like if you're going to be influenced by stuff, choose wisely.
Speaker 1:And there's talking about an influence Father Cyprian Consiglio, who would be a great guest on the show at some point. He's had a lot of influence on me. But he invited me to work on all the monks at their priory once and they're like, yeah, take Claire and stay in this monastery overlooking Big Sur, and they have these little hermitages, and so we had like our little hermitage with like a spectacular view, you know, and it was free and they had this medical kind of center and I just treated the monks. And one thing I was really influenced by is they have this quote from their founder a thousand years ago, st Romuald, and he said sit in the cell as if you're in paradise. He said sit in the cell as if you're in paradise.
Speaker 1:And he's like be mindful of your thoughts as if you're fishing, you know, reeling in what's good and casting back what's bad. You know, and just having that mindfulness to choose, be like, do I, at the end of the day, do I want this thought? Do I want this pattern of thoughts? Do I want this influence, this sponsor in my brain and the sponsors could be you know past people that were important to you and it could also be you know straight advertisements that have gotten. You know their worms have gotten into your brain. We're all influenced by that. So just having that state of mind to kind of choose and say, you know, like do I want this stuff.
Speaker 2:That quote reminds me of, I think, the most important thing on this topic that Dr David Hawkins teaches, which is you know, you can't control your thoughts. Thoughts will just pop into your head, Like we're all going to have intrusive thoughts. So you can't choose that necessarily, but you can choose what you want to hold in mind. So you can't choose what pops in, but you can choose what you focus on. Does that make sense? Totally so. It's like you're reeling in this thought that comes in. This is not what I'm fishing for right now. Cast it back into the water.
Speaker 2:But again, and you don't have to take those thoughts personal they just come and go. Like I said, this thought's brought to you by Pfizer, I don't need this product Back, you go. But you can choose what you want to focus on. And in those moments where you have an intrusive thought and you're like, ugh, I don't like this, you can decide All right, well, what do I want to focus or put energy towards? And you can always choose something joyful, peaceful or love. Yeah, too, if you can't quite get to something that's like a loving thought, at least try gratitude, and then you can focus on that, and that's quite energizing and quite healing too, in fact. So you can always choose what you want to hold in your mind so true.
Speaker 1:So true because you know I it's like I think we're going to get in some of the more emotional stuff here, um the patterns. But, like in relationships, it's really easy to start holding resentment, unforgiveness, bitterness, anxiety in a relationship. I mean all kinds of stuff, feeling like you're not being seen or heard or loved, or you know you're doing something for somebody and they, whatever payout you're looking for, you're not getting. That's like most probably marriages on some level, and you're going to hold that in mind. Is this where you're really going to stake your claim? That's a question I'm asking myself a lot lately. Is it's like at the end, at the end of your life, are you gonna be like, yep, I'm glad I staked my claim on this mountain of resentment? You know I could have had other options, but this was pretty, this is a pretty favorable place to be, you know yeah, that sure that resentment was so good, so glad, real life story.
Speaker 2:This happened. I was just getting back into seeing people so like two weeks after the baby was born and I was pretty stoked for it, I'm like, all right, I got some good work this week. I'm excited because I love doing this work, as you do as well and, um, like first day was going to happen. We had a snow day here in nashville and so the, the four year old at the time, he uh home for school. So I moved all those appointments. It was really sad to do that but I wasn't going to leave my like wife with a brand new baby just gave labor. I'm not going to be abandon her. So I canceled next day really should have been back to normal, normal school. I mean it did kind of there was some weather in the night, maybe the roads were icy, but I was really expecting, you know, dropping the kid off and had a nice day of work lined up. And I was extra excited, kind of like a a celebrity referral, uh on tour in nashville that got referred to, booked like two hours with me. I was stoked to do that and no school again.
Speaker 2:And I was like I'm really upset about this, right, yeah, and so I felt like and I was also like sleep deprived, so my willpower was definitely diminished, but I was like, cara, I'm working today, I gotta do it. She's like, yeah, I understand, but I was really bummed, partially feeling like I was letting my wife down, partially feeling like just the world was out to get me so I was calling her on the way to um and like, just the world was out to get me so I was calling her on the way to a hard time, like not feeling like a victim right now. You know, she's like, totally understand that. And I was like you know what? I'm going to give myself a little taste here. So I did it. I was like, let me just soak in this victim feeling right now, just bathe in it. And I was like, yeah, it wasn't as good as I thought, don't really like this. And so I moved on. I felt very grateful for everything that I do have and just all the good fortune and grace in my life, all these beautiful things happening in my life. Super grateful, felt, great. But that's an idea too.
Speaker 2:So I want to say like, don't, don't be hard on yourself if what you're holding in mind is negative or low conscious because we have addictions to it. Yeah, really are not we, it's really your ego. Your ego is addicted to some of these negative feelings because it's getting a payoff from it. Victimization is a classic payoff because your ego doesn't want to take responsibility for your life at all and so any opportunity to feel like a victim is you know. Your ego is on board for that.
Speaker 2:So I kind of it made me think of like junk food, processed food, fast food, all that like hyper savory I'd call it hyper palatable foods. You think it's going to be so good, I'm saying, if you wean yourself off of it, and then you think like this is going to be a really good treat. I used to love this and you have it, and you're like that's not as good as I remember Because your palate's changed. Does that make sense? I used to love this and you have it, and you're like that's not as good as I remember Cause you, your palates changed. Does that make sense? I remember when I was like 22, 23, I gave up fast food for Lent. You know, 22 year old, I was living on that stuff. I gave it up and I was really excited after Lent was over, I'm like I'm going to, I know exactly what I'm going to get.
Speaker 1:I was pretty stoked about it. Everyone needs to know what did you get.
Speaker 2:I don't remember the exact meal, but I know it was Jack in the Box. Nice, you know how it goes. Yeah, we grew up like a block from a Jack in the Box. Anyway, I thought it was going to be great and once my palate shifted away from those hyper palatable foods that, like, not just tickled the taste buds but really your nervous system in a lot of ways, your brain, uh, just wasn't that good. I think that's true. Some of these thoughts, they're very addictive, but once you like detox from them and you want to give it a go again, it's you've lost a taste for it a little bit. So that was the story, real story. I was like I just I want to feel like a victim right now and I'm really immersed myself in that feeling state and I allowed it and it just it wasn't what I thought it was going to be. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, well, the payout's gone now. Uh, at least the old payout, and dude, I totally get that. Um, yeah, I well, I had a similar thing I'm not going to get into some of the details because it's with a person and I was pretty upset about a certain situation in my life with this one person and I was getting, I remember, because my wife, claire and I we brought the kids out and we did this really fun family day but in the background I was fuming Stop in there. I'm like, oh, these goats are nice. Like, oh, this is a pretty feel. You're hiking through this area, I'm like. But between those thoughts I was like man, like man, this person, I'm really upset about this. And so finally I scheduled a call with the person, um, and, and then I was like really preparing in my head, you know, but thankfully there was a grace in that conversation Both of us really wanted to choose forgiveness, we really wanted to choose, you know, healing.
Speaker 1:And not too long into the conversation we both had like this heart to heart thing and and by the end of it we both felt very supported and it was like, wow, this was so much better. How come I didn't think yesterday that this was an option. You see what I mean I was like this is I don't know. I don't know Bridges were going to be burned or something. I'm like I don't know. I wasn't in a clear head, but then, when we got to the forgiveness and the healing part, I was like dude, this was a powerful, much needed conversation. So it's like there's always better options, even than you can imagine, and we do want to have the clarity to choose wisely, to throw back the thoughts we don't want. And you know it's okay to have experience like we're just talking about right now. You can experience it. That's part of it's like how do you find balance in life? By doing too much and too little, you know, going on extreme sides and being like I don't like this, right, I don't like this, right, I don't like this negativity. That's how we find balance of our life and then we can choose. So it's not bad if you're in the middle of this, if you're having these experiences, it's not bad and just work towards what you really want.
Speaker 1:Okay, and we've talked about letting go a bunch on the show, because it's like the most powerful tool that we have access to. You can do a letting go for patterns and not patterns of thinking, as Jake said. It's great if you know the payout of that pattern, the payout of that thinking pattern or behavior pattern. It's like why am I being a victim? Well, I want to get attention, I want to get love. It's like why am I being a victim? Well, I want to get attention, I want to get love. It's like, well, how's that going for you? Not so good, I'm not getting what I want. Well, okay, then let go of the desire of that, because it's not working out anyways. And then you're like, okay, you know, you feel in, you do the letting go process which we've outlined Multiple podcasts. We'll do many more in the future.
Speaker 1:You feel into the feeling, without resisting, without analyzing anything like that. And then, before you know it, you don't really feel You've processed some of that feeling. You don't really feel the desire to get loved in that way, in that pattern. You're like, okay, get loved in that way, in that pattern. You're like, okay, and then you notice the behavior start to just go away.
Speaker 1:The pattern of thinking and behavior just goes away and you can think about a pattern over your whole life. And maybe you're like I don't know what's behind this. I don't know the payout behind this. Well, just feel the feelings of it, just be the witness of those feelings. Just go back I've been doing this since I was a kid, you know, and I was like, well, I would do it in my bedroom and wallow in my sorrow. Okay, think about your bedroom as a kid and just feel the feelings that are still there and just be present with your child self in a way that no one ever was before, and allow that child self to just get the healing that they needed then but didn't have access to or maturity to understand. And then you'll notice that that pattern of behavior, it just doesn't come up so easily anymore. It's just like, oh, where did it go? I think really good healing is like you're living life. You don't really notice it, but a year goes by and you're like, wow, things are different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sometimes it's not even you that notice it, it's you just get together with someone you haven't seen in a while and they'll tell you. They're like wow, you seem so peaceful, so content, happy, joyful. You're like oh yeah, I am. And part of that is because when you do healing work, you become inherently more present-time conscious and less connected to the past, less attached to it, and so you might not even be that aware of how far you've come, because you're living more in the present, and so sometimes you need someone else to tell you. And then you're like oh yes, that is true, I kind of forgot about that. Yeah, I kind of forgot about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to say that I hear people being like well, go back to that ego payoff. It's like what do you mean? You get a payoff from a negative thing. There's always a payoff If you find yourself in a habit or a cycle of something, something negative, there's some perceived payoff. Okay, it doesn't have to be logical, your ego, it doesn't make rules based on pure reason, because a lot of these rules are made at a very young age. You could think about the logic behind a young child covering their eyes with their hands and thinking that you can't see them. That's like the logic of your ego in a lot of ways. Nonetheless say like oh man, I keep getting sick all the time. Just have some like these health issues that keep sidelining me in life. It's like do you think there's a payoff there If you're seeing repetitive cycle? Do you think you're getting something out of this? And you could, you know? Think back to life.
Speaker 2:Maybe as a kid there was bullies at school or there's a lot of stress at school and you wanted to avoid it. Sometimes it was too much. And you can tell mom or dad like I'm really sick today. I don't think I can do it. Mommy's like that's okay, you can stay home today and then they give you a little nice little treats because you're under the weather and you get to watch movies or TV or whatever. It is. What a nice day.
Speaker 2:Well, your ego and your nervous system can learn like hey, that worked. Now you're an adult, you're under stress and there's this old habit of solving for that stress which is like I'm just going to sideline myself. Then I can avoid life for a little bit. So it's like I don't think there's a payoff. I don't want to be sick all the time it's like well, maybe you learned a solution to your stress and maybe that did work for you at some point you got to avoid the bully, right, but maybe that's not a good solution anymore to your stress. You can unlearn it and you can learn it by investigating what payoff do I think I'm getting? What potential payoff is there in this cycle?
Speaker 1:of experiences that I'm having yeah, pros and cons list. It's I'm having yeah, pros and cons lists old-fashioned, but what are the pros of this?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So now it's an adult, I'm sick all the time. Okay, well, now you have an excuse. It's like oh, I'm not as successful in my career, I haven't found that romantic partner in life, so why not? Well, I probably would have, except I'm sick all the time or I have this chronic health issue. Otherwise I'd be a lot happier. Now you have an excuse to avoid, say, failure, even though you're creating failure. In fact, it's like I can't go out there and date because I have this chronic health issue. Once I heal this, then I can go put myself out in the world, but you're getting to avoid that stress, that's the payoff, the stress of potential heartbreak or rejection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got inspired by a Demartini podcast once to do some pros and cons lists with people who are stuck in their patterns. And I had somebody who really kept saying that she wanted to lose weight. And I was like, yeah, it's not really something I'm gonna coach people through, but I'm gonna give them options and do some background healing so they could do it right. So I'm like, okay, you know, we've given you some things, we've given you some stuff to do. How's it going? And she's like I'm not losing any weight. I'm like, okay, I want you to make a pros and cons list. What are the pros of you having the weight that you have right now? And she's like none. And I'm like please take this seriously. You know, I'm like just try it, just see what happens and just keep writing until you're absolutely positive. There's nothing left on there and I forget exactly. But when she came back, there was like 90 pros. She had listed and gotten to some very deep things from her past Some abuse stuff and all kinds of whatever happened we don't have to get into.
Speaker 1:But when I saw that there was 90 pros to her being the weight that she was. I told her. I was like, wow, look, how good your ego is at solving a problem, or your unconscious mind or whatever. Right, it's like this is solving 90 problems for you, or whatever it was 80 problems. I'm like, that's like you know, killing two birds with one stone. How about killing 90 birds with one stone? I'm like, what a solution. Now it's up to you. Do you want to solve some of these things in a different way, or do you want to heal them so that you don't need to, they aren't problems for you anymore, and then you could lose the weight, naturally, that's exactly what she did. She's like, oh, I'll do that. So we helped her heal some of those past traumas and then, what do you know?
Speaker 2:she lost weight without changing anything about her life yeah, the way it was perceived, armor is protecting her totally, but it was protecting her from, essentially, ghosts that don't exist. It existed once, but they don't exist anymore yeah uh, okay.
Speaker 2:So I think it'd be fun to wrap this pod with some influences, because earlier in the pod we talked about who's going to sponsor your thoughts and we were talking about kind of controlling the content that we consume, like who are we allowing to sponsor thoughts in our mind? Who's planting the seeds? Maybe we can go back and forth, just sharing a few influential people that we feel are sponsoring healthy thoughts in our life. Because you already mentioned a few names Actually we've mentioned a few I'll go first because we already brought them up. But Dr David R Hawkins is a signature influence of the Deep Healing Project.
Speaker 1:He's sponsored the podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's the Deep Healing Project. He is sponsored by the podcast. Yeah, he's the unofficial sponsor. And what's cool is there was I have like all of his books on audio and hard copy. But he has like a Dr Hawkins collection on Audible which is like eight hours of lectures compiled. But I noticed about a year ago somebody I think it's this publishing company released a ton of stuff onto youtube. So there's a ton of dr hoggins on youtube as of a year ago. You can just check out for yourself there you go.
Speaker 1:all right, right, your turn. Well, we did mention Demartini. He's a great influence. I don't always like listening to him, so I subscribe to his podcast and I'll bring it up and I'll be like no, I'll go past him a bunch, but he's fantastic. If you've never heard John Demartini, he's a professional speaker of sorts of this kind of stuff and life-changing kind of things and he has a great. If you really want to do a really powerful event, hopefully someday Jake and I will do some of these, but he has an event called the breakthrough experience and I've heard from many people how life-changing it is. So he's got some good stuff out there. Your turn?
Speaker 2:uh, my favorite medical living medical doctor at the moment that uh he, because he doesn't he doesn't have his own show or podcast, but he's an amazing podcast guest, kind of a dream guest for us. So if you look up, he's interviewed a million times and it's always great. It's Dr Zach Bush, real cool, real cool medical doctor out there doing really cool things and he has a lot of wisdom too, in part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a special character, for sure. I will say obviously a very potent influence for us. I just wish he had more material to consume. Online is Roland Phillips, but probably the podcast that I've re-listened to the most that we've done is the one with Roland, and I think it's like episode 37. I don't know why that comes to mind, but I was going to say 36, 37.
Speaker 1:Somewhere around there that's a good one to listen to, because he's just one of the special influences and he was influenced, jake was, and, and me too is dr ted mortar. So there are some books you can get mt mortar jr.
Speaker 2:Dr ted's mortar jr. Yeah, and you want to go to the? You want to go to mt mortar jr.
Speaker 1:That's the guy yeah, and he's got a couple books that are good. Uh, dynamic health is one of them, but my favorite was soul purpose fantastic book. You can't get it any in like a book form but you can get it read to you on a mortar health systems, which is what I did. And fantastic, it's a fantastic book for me.
Speaker 2:All right. Another one for me is more spiritual, but I think it also has a lot to do with healing and it's living a peaceful, contemplative life is Richard Rohr.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's really good stuff. I mean, he's got what. Is it Contemplative in Action or something, or what's the name of his group? Yeah?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you put him on the spot and I don't remember, but he's got a lot of books. He's got online content. He's got a newsletter that you get a little thing every morning. It's great.
Speaker 1:highly recommend yeah, yeah, there's some good stuff like that out there. I'd say on that level, uh, thomas keating, it's kind of like a richard roar friend, you could say, but he did the centering prayer and you can find endless websites about the centering prayer and like trainings and stuff, and the funny thing is it's the most simple, basic thing and it's like there's so many resources on this. You could you could read a pamphlet on it and this is a way to practice meditation, which which is really good. For, again, what we're talking about is learning to have some control of your mind and choosing what you want to be in there. Meditation is a great way to be. Like I want this thought and feeling to be in here, and then you focus on it pretty much, pretty much. So it's great because, yeah, you could read everything that you would need to know about it on a brochure, probably, but then you could spend a lifetime like working with those themes, so that can be pretty good, yeah.
Speaker 2:Anything else you got. Oh, you got to do Keating.
Speaker 1:That was piggybacking off mine I know it made me think of him when you said okay, uh, I'm trying to get different genres here.
Speaker 2:uh, music I have music on in the background quite a bit, both when I'm working in my office or just even in the kitchen or living room, and I think about the boys too, the baby and the five-year-old. So things that I like to do, for example, it's just Mozart, bach, beethoven.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd add Tchaikovsky Puccini yeah.
Speaker 2:High consciousness, beautiful art that I want to be part of my nervous system. I want my brain to be shaped by it. But I also do more modern stuff like movie scores. They're all great. So I kind of have made my own playlists. But there's some beautiful contemporary composers that when you listen to it it does feel edifying, like I'm being reinforced on a structural level. That's good. That's good. Hon zimmer is probably my favorite. People are asking like who? Hon zimmer is probably my favorite. John williams is great too.
Speaker 1:Newman there's a lot dario, what's the guy's name? Um, the guy who did pride and prejudice. A couple other things that he did were really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's beautiful, beautiful music on the background. It's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is really good because it has its own energy and you're just going to tune in with it. You're going to what do they call it Attunement or something like that. What's it called Entrainment? There you go, you entrain with it and your wavelength becomes more in tune with that wavelength. That's really good. That's really good and and for that reason, all good art in in anything.
Speaker 1:You know, like my wife claire's been getting into eliz Elizabeth Browning or whatever the poet, and she's been just like memorizing some of her poems which are just astoundingly beautiful, you know. And what a good practice to do, because then you just have these amazing high calibrating words in your mind whenever you want. You have access. You're going to sleep and then it's like, boom, this really bad, negative thought comes up and you're like I'm going to not go there and I'm gonna try to remember how does that one poem go? And then you start going through, you're like thinking about it and you're like, okay, you're dwelling on these beautiful things. You know, changing that pattern. That's good.
Speaker 1:And you know, honestly, we we put this, we got a bunch of like old thrift art books in just where the kids books are, it's like near them, and the kids open those like more than they open the kids books, and so that we have like one on like the lube and we have one on like joto and frangelico and like have one on like Giotto and Fra Angelico and like they'll open it up and they'll just like I'll find them just looking through it, like that's so interesting, why did you pick that one? And my son, rafa, will like fall in love with it, like he has he's bookmarked some pages and he'll just like open to them and he's looking at them and it's kind of interesting, you know.
Speaker 2:Very interesting, all right. So that also reminds me of another influence that our family is really big on, and that is nature. Frankly, go be inspired by. And we used to live right on the beach. We don't anymore, but beach was a big part of us, just absorbing content, the sun, the sound of the waves, the view of the water. But even here in nashville, where I was out, you know, absorbing sunlight, the clouds, trees, flowers, bird sounds, yeah, just passively, very intentionally.
Speaker 1:Totally no. If you've had a crazy day or whatever, and you go put your feet out in nature and you just be there, I could guarantee, without you even doing anything, the mood's gonna change. It's amazing. Never ceases to amaze me, honestly. A hundred percent, yeah, yeah, that's. That's therapeutic nature right there. These are all fantastic influences. Why? Because they all are. They're all a positive consciousness level and they're going to make you positive. So if you're in a negative state, surround yourself with positive things.
Speaker 2:It'll rub off on you, yeah, so it's like entrainment. But I also teach people to think about tuning. Like you're an instrument, like you're a guitar and you want to tune to a reference note that is in fact in tune, so an orchestra will do that, right, that's. I actually kind of loves that sound of an orchestra tuning. That's kind of you in your day. You can tune yourself to something that is beautiful and on pitch, by immersing yourself in nature or a beautiful work of art, and it's like what's the feeling state here? You lock into what that feels like and now you're in tune with something that's beautiful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's good. I'm going to add one other thing in here. Let's do it Probably my last thing. Well, I love to read books by great people and I have a lot. I have a lot on that list of things that have really influenced me, but not enough time for that. That would be a whole nother, whole, nother podcast. But I know people are really into like the uh stoic Marcus Aurelius thing. You know, it's a great philosophy book that is really short, by probably arguably the most famous, best philosopher of all time. It's the Apology by Socrates, but Plato wrote it. It's short, it's sweet. You could read it in one sitting, probably and it's basically what it is is when they were putting Socrates to death for corrupting the youth. This is what he said, this is the way they put him on trial. And then this is what he said, and it's awesome and I also liked that. The Greeks were like we're putting you to death, but let's hear what you have to say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, make sure someone's writing this down yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's that like, as far as a philis philosophical thing. It's awesome because it's it's also completely real and it summarizes, like socrates's like whole outlook and philosophy on life and he is totally okay with being put to death. It's shocking.
Speaker 2:It is shocking. That is good. I haven't read that in a long time.
Speaker 1:That's worth a reread for sure it puts things in perspective, but anyways, okay, I think that's a pod.
Speaker 2:Good job, Nick. Until next time, everyone yeah, I love you guys bye.