The Deep Healing Project
The Wellness Brothers, Dr. Jake and Dr. Nick Hyde, talk about doctor stuff, or brother stuff, or sometimes both. Filled to the brim with humor, practical advice, and rich in-depth conversation, these brothers from opposite sides of the country connect on the topics that they truly love. Centered on holistic health, each podcast goes to the core of physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health and life.
The Deep Healing Project
The True Anatomy: What You Really Are
The Hyde brothers explore the concept of true anatomy and what we really are beyond our physical bodies, explaining how understanding our energetic nature transforms healing and wellbeing. They discuss the vital energy that animates us and the multiple communication systems in our bodies that influence health.
• Examining the difference between "who we are" (roles, identities) versus "what we are" (consciousness, energy)
• Understanding that we are not merely physical bodies but beings of awareness with bodies animated by spirit
• Exploring how embryonic development demonstrates intelligence beyond the nervous system or DNA
• Identifying various communication pathways in the body: nervous system, meridians, biochemical, and wireless
• Explaining how thoughts and emotions carry frequency information that directly impacts physical health
• Mapping specific emotions to different organs and meridian systems (anger to heart, grief to lungs, etc.)
• Recognizing how held negative emotions create blocks in energy flow that manifest as physical symptoms
You can work with Jake and Nick individually on healing issues that haven't resolved through conventional approaches. Find them at jakehyde.com or DrNicholasHyde.com.
well, we're here for another exciting day of podcasting the brothers jake and nick, doctors, healers actually, jake, how do you describe?
Speaker 2:yourself, so who's asking?
Speaker 1:well, yeah, exactly, I mean people you know say we're at a party and someone's like, hey, what do you do?
Speaker 2:I say I'm a weird internet doctor, don't have to talk about it. No, I you know it's funny because you say healer. I used to be kind of squeamish about that. I don't know about you. Yeah, it's like because I know from my core principles that I'm not a healer. Do you know what I mean, outside of the fact that I've fully participated, like actively participated, in my own personal healing? I participated, but from a core principles, especially in chiropractic and in most religions there's an understanding that there is one healing force in the universe and it's the same power that made the universe and it's not me. Yeah, so I have participated in many healings, which is you know.
Speaker 1:I feel very blessed and fortunate and very privileged to have that role in some people's lives, but I've never healed anybody Very true, yeah, I come from the same background and it's hard to describe it otherwise, but like there's also a brand of healer you know.
Speaker 2:So I used to, I used to correct people because I don't know probably more idealistic when I was a little bit younger and just like so my thing, yeah, and now it's just like, whatever people can call me, whatever they want, you know, and people call us all kinds of things. It's like, okay, sure, you know, you can say that, but healer, I guess I would say I'm a healer because I've been doing healing work. So that means I guess you could say the goal is and the orientation, the path that I'm on is one of healing. So I'm a healer in that sense, but I've never healed anybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, professionally, I've done healing for myself and others Ask questions. I'm a tutor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's our mentor. Dr Phillips says I'm not a healer, I'm a peeler, and that's pretty good.
Speaker 1:Forgot. He said that yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So the idea is like you have a whole healed self already in existence, but you're covered in layers of pride and ego and trauma and stories, and underneath all of that is a healed self, meaning you don't have to necessarily go create healing, you have to. It's like it's an addition by subtraction. It's like the less of this false self that you carry, this less like call it baggage. What remains is is the whole authentic or true self, which is already healed. Don't have to go do it yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1:I also like roland. I've heard him call it a soul sherpa. I say that too sometimes. Yeah, but but that maybe doesn't fly. I mean, maybe it flies really well at a party. We're like what do you do? I'm a soul Sherpa. Yeah, I'll try that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, because we've come from behind here with a lot of negative connotation and press about. You know, it's like if you just say I'm a chiropractor or if you say I'm a holistic doctor, people have that's not really what you are. People have no idea what that means. You know what I mean. If I'm like I am a chiropractor, then they're like oh yeah, you know I got a kink in my neck or something and I'm like well, yeah, you know it's not exactly getting to the core, so it's like an inaccurate way of describing us. But I've tried on a lot of things and nothing has worked that well. So I just tend to try to intrigue people and if they want, if there's that little innocent part of them and they're or they have something that they want to they've been focusing on and they're healing, like they'll get it and then they'll, and then I'm there for them if they need it yeah.
Speaker 2:So that person's like hey, can you? You know, I got this kink in my neck. Can you fix this right? I love that term fix. Chiropractors love fixing things people. People are not machines to be fixed, but nonetheless, yeah, I can take care of that neck, no problem. But I'm interested in why. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can make your neck feel better. But what I'm really interested in is why is your neck like this? Why is your body holding this? Why is it not self-correcting? Why is not healing on its own?
Speaker 1:that's what I want to investigate yes, and I think there's a lot of people who've come from some health care background and think the same way and they end up doing similar stuff to what we're doing. And it's's like, well, because you want to ask the question why? And the further you go into why, the more you uncover that's like whoa, there's this whole other thing behind the scenes here and a lot of times, the why if you're really honest in your question and you're seeking of knowledge and wisdom here and your seeking of knowledge and wisdom here so much of the why is about the way the person is living their life, and not just the physical aspects, but the mental, emotional, spiritual aspects of the way that they're living their life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like held belief systems and if you have core false belief systems operating, the background, that will eventually express itself in suffering to varying degrees physical suffering, mental, emotional, damage in relationships, damage in career finances. But those are symptoms of probably core beliefs driving the operating systems making those micro choices every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I think this is a great segue into our topic for today, which I think it's about time. I think it's about time, you know. Here we are, like what are we trying to really accomplish with this podcast? We really want to educate the people. We want people to know the truth and I think a truth people don't know is really what they are and so we want to talk about your true anatomy, the stuff they don't tell you in the anatomy books can I do a real cheesy joke that dr hawkins used to do on stage sometimes, please?
Speaker 2:um, because it's yeah, it's about changing that perspective. We always like to think about the who we are from, um, an ego standpoint, which is like who are you, jake? And it's like I'm a doctor, I'm a husband, I'm a father, I'm a brown hair, six foot one. You know ways you could describe the experience of life that I'm having here right now. But it's really not about those things, because that's not really your identity, and so that's just the preface for this joke. It's not a good one, but Dr Hawkins is the man, so I'm going to do it. Okay, it's a knock-knock joke, so you have to participate.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm ready.
Speaker 2:Knock-knock. Who's there? Not a who. A what?
Speaker 1:What's there? Okay, okay, that's it so is.
Speaker 2:The idea is like that's the more fundamental question, not who am I? That's interesting question too. That's to be explored. You know you, you are living this life, you are exploring this life. There's a lot of value in the who, but the more important question is what am I?
Speaker 1:yeah, okay, the who is an interesting question, but that's, we could get to that another time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's not the most important question is what he's, what he's saying. What am I? Is the question that should be answered first, or at least explored first. Yeah, and the question is like what am I? Am I a bag of bones and chemicals? Am I this meat suit that people like to say? You got to ask those questions. If you think that that is true, then you're going to operate in life based on that. But I think a lot of our listeners understand, you know, I'm not simply what's contained from, like my skin and in.
Speaker 1:There's more to me, right? So I'm going to try to start, kind of the way Hawkins starts in the healing and recovery chapters, by describing this experience you're having in the aspect of what. So let's say, most of our listeners probably have a hand. The hand obviously has tissues, it has cells, there's chemicals going through it, there's blood. The hand has no experience of hand, right. What experiences the hand? Well, the brain does, and so the brain can experience handness, but the brain has no experience of its brainness. So what has experience of that? I mean you could say maybe the mind or whatever, like some thought, but what has experience of your mindness, your thoughtness? You keep extracting this outwards. Eventually you just get to this place of pure awareness, and that pure awareness is a faculty of your spirit. And we know that this is the major difference between you and a dead body, right? If we have a cadaver and we have you, listener, right next to the cadaver, what's the difference? All of those tissues are present and yet they're radically different. The two people are radically different, right?
Speaker 1:So you do have something animating you, and animation is actually from a Greek word that means spirit. So you have a spirit animating you. That's one way to describe it and in classical language we call it a spirit. In classical language you go to like Aristotle or, you know, augustine of Hippo or something. They would break it down and body, soul, spirit, soul being partly like that psyche, the psychology right, it's the.
Speaker 1:You get some of the emotions and some of the mental faculties in a soul and then you have spirit and we can go to the reasons why. Maybe we separate those two things. But as the experience of being a human being, it's not like these are really separate, right? I mean, can you say that your spirit is separate from your hand? It's like no, it's there. So we separate them out to just understand them. But you have we'll call it a different way you have a vitality within you. It's a vital flow of life, it's an energy, energy flowing through you and we call that spirit because it ends up animating you. Right, it's like those I don't know at at dealerships they have those like wind things, that kind of flow, their arms and they're.
Speaker 2:They're called wacky waving inflatable arm, flailing tube men. Just so you know, there we go, wacky waving inflatable arm, flailing tube man.
Speaker 1:Yes, entertaining Also for our purposes. You know, it's like that wind flowing through them is what animates their body moving right, and instead of having a wind, you have an energy. This is really interesting, I think, because once you really understand that, it's like why doesn't? I think because once you really understand that, it's like why doesn't? If we had that included in any scientific experiment that existed out there, it was like, okay, on the logic that you have a spirit, we're going to do this study about the pancreas, it would become way more interesting to me. Yeah, me too. And this is partly why, you know, when we take our gold standard experiments that you hear about with a grain of salt, because it's missing the major premise of life.
Speaker 1:Most of these studies don't even touch in on the major thing that you are, you know, and when you start to touch in on this, healing is radically different. Now you're starting to deal with a real understanding of who and what you are and therefore the decisions you make should reflect that and have a greater impact. I mean, this is part of the problem. If you just believed that you were a victim, you know, it's like the three stooges I'm just a victim of circumstance. If you were just a victim of circumstance, because you're just an organized body mass and you have DNA and all these things, well, of course, you're so susceptible to any problem that can happen to you. Right, you are at the whims of the universe, being an ant under the boot of the universe, basically, right, right, anything bad.
Speaker 1:But if you're like, hmm, I'm actually an energy being, possibly an infinite being, as Hawkins would say, spiritual understandings would say maybe everlasting immortal being, right, energy can't be created or destroyed. You have this energy. That is you, ultimately, and it can change, it can be depleted, it can be distorted and we'll get into that, but ultimately it probably is going to go on forever through consciousness, research and religious expression. Right, we have this understanding that it's going to go on. You're going to have an experience at some point where you die. You look down the body and you say, oh, that's not me, right, and we hear about that from near-death experience experiences or you know, I guess, death experiences. People die and they come back and then they say that that's what happened, yep countless, countless stories like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So with this understanding, how should we operate? How should we make decisions? How should we get to know our energy in light of maybe wanting to heal, progress in life, find happiness? Now, this is an interesting question. So you know, I feel like I've been talking for a little bit. Jake, you have some thoughts at this point?
Speaker 2:Oh, too many thoughts. This topic that you bring up is a difficult one, I'd say, to cover in a podcast, because it challenges a lot of ideas for people. Everyone comes from a different background of understanding the essence of what they are, and so this could be a touchy topic too. So that's why I'm not saying much, because I'm like I want to see where nick's going with this, because I don't know where to begin well, okay.
Speaker 1:So I mean we have this background in chiropractic that I loved. I loved the 33 principles chiropractic uh, I mean, it was life-changing for me. It still is life-changing for me, I'm still learning from it. But I remember the first time, someone who was a principled chiropractor, which maybe, for the people listening to this podcast, maybe you've never met like a straight principled chiropractor. You would know it if you know, if you're listening, you're like, yeah, I know that I did that because all these descriptions fit, but that was my school experience and it was like, yeah, I mean, people might call it a cult from the outside Because it's such a radical, different way of understanding life that it seems cultish from the outside in. But you know, it wasn't like you had to sign any papers or tithe any money or something. It was just powerful like whoa, this is different, I've never heard this before and it really changed my life. But they got one understanding of it wrong, I would say from a chiropractic approach, right, Okay. So 33 principles.
Speaker 1:We talk about innate intelligence, right, this concept that innate to every person. There's an intelligent force organizing, allowing you to keep going, making choices for survival. Right, and it's innate to you. This is what gives you life Chiropractic model. We look to influence this innate intelligence for people's healing and we do it through the nervous system, which is pretty smart, back for 125 years ago to kind of come up with that idea. So we're going to use the nervous system, but the nervous system, as we're saying, is still just, at the end of the day, a tissue, it's like. Nervous system has no awareness of nervous system-ness. It's not really. You're not really touching in on that vital aspect of you. You're not really touching in on the innate intelligence, but it is a place, it's like a bridge that you can communicate with it. Almost right, it's like if this nerve is not quite working, and then I stimulate the nerve, who's the one listening on the other side? Right, it's like Morse code I'm tapping and someone's listening and it's innate intelligence. And innate intelligence is going to do something. That's true.
Speaker 1:But ultimately in healing I want to touch in on the innate itself. I want to work with the inner wisdom of the body. I want to work with those, that energy that's really you flowing through you. And this gets to other disciplines, like acupuncture, which is trying to influence this energy movement through the body. So there are different disciplines and so when you kind of start to combine all these different disciplines, you're like oh, this is what I'm ultimately trying to do. I'm not trying to fix a knee necessarily. I'm trying to allow for a greater unfolding of this inner wisdom in the body to make a new decision about the knee. Whatever decisions it was making, whatever way it was flowing energy through it, whatever guiding principles it was working with, we're trying to give it new options, creating a new awareness of the knee, so that new choices can be made that reflect healing and wholeness, right.
Speaker 2:Correct. So I'm with you. Actually, this will help some listeners understand a point of view where I came from. So the core education is that the nervous system is what's the terminology we use all the time? It's like the governing system in the body, it's the decision maker. It's also the communication network from mind to to to end tissues in the body and that kind of makes sense. You know, you got the brain and connected to it is all these like channels in which information can can be passed along.
Speaker 2:But I had a question once that was kind of eye-opening for me. So I had to take an embryology and developmental anatomy course and you learn about, you know, a sperm and an egg. They make a zygote right, and that's the first cell of what's going to be the tens of trillions of cells in your body. And that zygote splits into two cells, exact copies, no differentiation, DNA is the same. There's no way to differentiate between the two. And then they split into four and then to eight and 16. And these are all exactly like clones of each other, no difference. But then what starts to happen is these cells start to differentiate and specialize and it's like what's what's doing this? Because it's not dna, because the d DNA is exactly the same in each of these cells and it is not the nervous system, because you don't have one yet.
Speaker 2:And I was asking this question in school. I was like what's making the choices here? Like what's the intelligence behind this process? Because I mean, arguably you don't really have a nervous system until a few weeks into the process, um, and you know, arguably, like maybe up even to like eight weeks, when, like, the nervous system starts to actually mature into what it looks like now. There's like a primitive nervous system, but you don't have anything making decisions for a long time about what the body should be doing as it's developing. So I asked the principal chiropractors that I was teaching the course. I'm like where's the intelligence behind this? What's the choice? How is this happening? And it was basically like, quit asking so many questions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so many questions. Yeah, yeah, that's really that's a great, that's a great great thing to you to like bring home this point here, because you know if people are going to be real about it on the show, you know, I could. I could hear someone saying well, maybe it's. You know, on the cells there's these different receptor sites and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And chemicals are identical. Why are they doing different? They are all identical. Right, and you could get into Bruce Lipton's work. You know he was kind of the person who was studying stem cells before people knew what stem cells were, and stem cells are basically this kind of a situation where it's like a cell that hasn't differentiated, but then it does differentiate. And why does it differentiate? Well, that's what he was trying to study.
Speaker 2:Well, he studies like the environment, right? So he can take stem cells and put them in a Petri dish with certain nutrients in one and those stem cells, and they're all from the same source, right? So these are all kind of identical cells. But he splits them up and he noticed oh, these cells are becoming muscle tissue. And then the ones in the different petri dish oh, these ones are becoming bone right, right, but when you're, you're not in different petri dishes with different things.
Speaker 1:No, you're in the same environment, uterus, yes.
Speaker 2:Exact same environment.
Speaker 1:It's an excellent point because, well, we already know the answer, because we've already started with that. But it's the energy flow, it's the spirit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the information is coming somewhere else and so there's also interesting studies out there. Again, I'm just kind of sharing what expanded my mind a little bit. Yeah, but they can separate tissue, so our body's all kind of connected. You could say it's connected through the nervous system, it's connected through the meridian pathways and I actually want to get into meridians because there's something I also learned that was pretty cool about that Kind of expanded my vision there as well.
Speaker 2:But they can put tissue like other side of the laboratory, like, for example, they've done experiments where they take someone's blood, put it in a vial and they can inject medicine in that person that changes say clotting factor or something in blood and that blood in the vial responds to it, even though it's separate from the body and I don't know how long the blood is in your body. I don't remember any of this or if it was even talked about, but the fact is, even removed from your body, your blood's responsive to what's happening to your body and we don't really know definitively how that's happening, but it has been shown to do that experimentally. So there's multiple ways that information communicates. And that's so funny too, because a lot of chiropractors wouldn't really think of like pharmaceuticals as like energy type of medicine.
Speaker 1:But everything's energy, yeah everything is Okay.
Speaker 2:So lots of different studies like that Just remove something from the body, it's still connected one way or another. Now we can. Maybe we'll have time to get into theories of why this is. Point is there's a lot of ways your body communicates. There is the nervous system, which is like hardwired communication lines, like telephone lines or like ethernet cable. There's these meridian pathways, which are these electron channels in your collagen.
Speaker 2:Like for thousands of years people were using these acupuncture pathways for medicine, but a lot of people dismissed it because we couldn't see them. You can pull a nerve out of a tissue when you're dissecting a body and say, here's a nerve. They couldn't dissect acupuncture pathways. But now we have instrumentation sensitive enough to see this and it is true, in your collagen you have these channels, these electron channels that perfectly align with the already established meridian and acupuncture charts Unbelievable. So when I learned that, again, that was another eye-opening thing. Because my background is very Western medicine, so that was another eye-opening thing because, keep my, my background is very western medicine, so that was very interesting.
Speaker 2:All right, so you have like nerves communicate, you have acupuncture electron channels. You have biochemical messengers so you can just send chemicals through your circulatory system to share information with your body. But there's more, and you could say, um, you know, the nerves might be something like ethernet cables, like you used to have to have your, say, your computer hooked up to the internet. The internet, uh, you might say, there's also like a wi-fi. Now there's wireless communication too, and we know that that's true scientifically. There's like a wireless network that you're connected to, or rather, when you're healthy and you're operating well, you are connected to. But there could be like network connectivity issues, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, and there's major institutions that are doing telepathic studies, by the way, like Stanford's doing telepathic studies. I mean, this is happening around the world right now.
Speaker 2:CIA has been doing it for 50 years around the world right now. Cia's been doing it for 50 years, yeah.
Speaker 1:CIA's been doing it for a long time. But, yes, and why is this the case? Well, all energy contains two things. It does contain energy. It also contains information, correct, yeah, so you know, this is even the energy.
Speaker 1:Like, if you're doing acupuncture or acupressure, there's ways that you can change the way the needle is, change the way your finger pressure is, or which finger that you're using, which polarity, and now the information has changed through the channel that you're operating on, and this is something that's well known in the people who do that work. Right, I need to sedate this energy channel. Well, how do you send sedating energy? It was just the way that the information's what information you're tapping into. So that's important.
Speaker 1:But, yes, I think everyone's had some experience where you walk into a room and you before you're like mentally aware you haven't figured, you haven't Sherlock Holmes, the room, or something and you just you just have an awareness.
Speaker 1:You're like whoa, something's wrong. You know you could walk in and like you immediately know that, like the people were talking about you in the room. It's like how did you know that, or something Right? Or I don't know if this has ever happened to anyone else besides me, but sometimes you, you enter into a situation and there's like red flags. You don't know why there's a red flag. It's like I just walked into a danger zone. It's like I just walked into a danger zone and when you have that experience, you'll never forget it because it's not mental, you didn't figure it out, you're just like I am. That's what happened. You walked into that energy field. You walked into a field that had that information, was projecting that information so far, that had that information, was projecting that information so far. And your body, your spirit, your sensors picked up on what that information was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this reminds me of a very long, very I don't know hundreds of thousands of participants, and it's conclusive beyond a reasonable doubt that. So you can look this up if everyone's interested. It's Rupert. Sheldrake is, like the main researcher behind this, but he's definitively shown that humans can sense when they're being stared at. Yeah, I remember that study. That's great, yeah, and so we've all had experiences of that. Maybe we are like bored in class and we're just staring at some one of our classmates on the other side of the room.
Speaker 2:And then they look over their shoulder and lock eyes with you, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So he's my one-year-old. I can't look at him when he's napping. It will wake him up. He's a pretty sensitive dude and so like, if I walk in the room I'm like I want to look at him because he's cute when he naps, right. Of course I can't do it, it'll wake him up. It's the craziest thing across the room. I just peeped in on him and he's like all right, wait, are we? Are we ready to play?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah 100 believe that, and kids are, are actually better than these experiments of rupert sheldrake. Kids are better at sensing when uh, they're being stared at than adults, and one hypothesis that he mentions is that adults think too much. Yeah, because he did it with his kid. He had his kid face the opposite eye of the room and he had a little clicky thing, so the kid knows when to answer and so it's the same sound. He can't change the sound, so there's no other kind of context that you can try to put together.
Speaker 2:It's just a click and his father is either staring at the back of his head or not, and his kid, who was like I don't know eight at the time or something, 20 for 20. Your turn, dad, and he did it and he wasn't quite as accurate, like 12 out of 20 or something like that. And the kid goes dad, why can't you do it? And he said I don't know it's hard. He just said something like that, I don't know it's hard. And then the next time his kid went nowhere close to 20 out of 20, because he's like it's hard.
Speaker 1:And he started thinking yeah, well, that gets to something I want to talk about before we're running out of time. Um, the information? Now we're talking about energy and information. Well, it's like so what can go wrong if, if you're this infinite being, you have this powerful, potent energy flowing through this body, animating it? Why do we get sick? Why do I feel unwell? You know, all of those questions come up Because you're filtering the good energy, or you're filtering the good information.
Speaker 1:In that field, in that energy, you're filtering it with the beliefs you have, with the thoughts you're thinking. I mean, you could distort the energy, you could pick new information that you want to start incorporating in your body by the choices that you make. Life happens, in a way, and you're like I guess I'll always be alone and you start to dump that information in your field of your body and now all the cells are like, oh, we're going with this program, we're going with the alone and depressed program, like that's what we're going to do now. Okay, the body's going to respond and yeah, the body we're operating.
Speaker 1:I like that. Yeah, you use the word filter and that's really what we're doing.
Speaker 2:We're filtering out the good and we're filtering in the negative, for just simplistic understanding of this I want to add in these very finely tuned and sensitive energy communication systems, keeping in mind that, like thoughts create feelings, feelings are vibrational, they're a change in the frequency that's being emitted and the body responds specifically to frequency, and so that is also why specifically held negative emotions affect specific pathways connected to end tissue, like organs, for example, which I think is something maybe practical, because a lot of this is maybe abstract ideas, but we can have like a practical and a lesson here on particular emotions and where that tends to create interference with healthy expression of this vital energy. You want to do that for a little bit, or is there more you want to add?
Speaker 1:No, I think that's a good place to go with this.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's just do like some big ones that people have a hard time like, where there might be unhealth. So your heart, for example. Heart disease is the number one cause of death officially In our society, anyway In the United States, but it's pretty true for most first-world countries. Heart disease, the big one. Okay, yeah, there's a lot of factors at play here inactivity, poor diet, inflammation, things like that.
Speaker 1:But which, which all still reflect the way you feel about yourself, by the way yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2:You don't just accidentally make choices about how you nourish yourself. There's reasons behind it Belief systems, like we talked about, and emotions, and so what kind of frequencies that we call emotions, because emotions are essentially we put a name to it, but it's a feeling state, it's a frequency. What messes up heart communication?
Speaker 1:Anger is the big one, and guilt to some degree, but anger is a big one and that's one of the dangers of held anger over time is a significant cost to a very important fundamental organ for being alive. Yeah, and people can on this. They're listening, they're like I have heart problems but I don't feel very angry. Well, number one, you might not be in touch with it and that's part of the problem, but you know there's different types of anger. Right, you might feel this overwhelming, but there's different types of anger. Right, you might feel this overwhelming pressure, this pressure in your family, pressure in your work to perform, and you might have an emotional experience of this. That's like stress. I people making me do this. Why do I have to do this? Why is this my way of life, right? I didn't sign up for this right? And there's no anger underneath it all.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so there's there's two sides to the anger coin. There's the over expression of it, hot-headedness, for example, quick to temper, um and then there's the opposite side, which I identified more with, which is not angry enough. Frankly, and one way I noticed that was anger was a trigger for me. I didn't really express it, but that's because I had an egoic rule that I didn't want to be like that. So no anger for me, but I'd be triggered by people with anger, meaning they could change my feeling, state being in the presence of anger. So it's like still an anger attachment. Who's the other side of the coin where I, uh, I had attachments to it, meaning I had rules around it, limitations put on myself, and the word would be ego attachment. So sometimes, yeah, you have an anger issue but you never express it. It's like I don't have an anger problem. Maybe you do. How do you feel around angry people, for example, is maybe another way of asking that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then there's other restrictions on. You were talking about the heart and since we're talking about like heart disease, I do want to be. I do want to be thorough enough to kind of catch some of these people's problems, because you know I want to help people. Anytime you close the heart off, you are blocking the flow of energy through that part of you. It's not just the heart, it's the whole chest right.
Speaker 1:People close to me, who, maybe somebody who lives in my house, she had some as a child. She just had this like totally open heart to everything and you know like you'd see her carrying around like animals with her and all that kind of stuff. You know like you'd see her carrying around like animals with her and all that kind of stuff. Well then she had some terrible loss and grief and she closed things off and you could see like the change in her demeanor and you could see the change in all this stuff and that led to symptoms over time. Like she was like, no, not going there, it hurts, right.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of people can relate with that. Like love hurts, not going there, it hurts, right. I think a lot of people can relate with that. Like love hurts. Don't go there. You know, I don't want to experience loss on that level again. That is a block of flow and it will lead to the organs, the tissues that are in that area being depleted. They don't have enough. It's like, oh man, I'm fatigued all the time. It's like, well, there's not enough life flow going there. In some ways I've cut myself off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so here's an interesting one, so we don't have to pick on Claire. I'll talk about myself. In my early 20s, one of my health complications that kind of led to my pursuit of understanding how everything works was IBS symptoms. So, uh, definitely a sore subject for me at the time, and no one wants IBS, although it's very common, and it might not just be IBS, it could just be constipation or something for someone else.
Speaker 2:But large intestine is blocked, or large intestine meridian is blocked by guilt. Holding on to guilt, and for me it's like why so guilty, jake? It's like I don't know, it was in my nature, maybe it's like our Irish heritage, I do not know. But a lot of my guilt came from. I had an ideal here's the perfect version of me, and I was always falling short of that, and so guilt weighed on me quite a bit. I carried that, I was worried about that and around like 20 years old and it got worse kind of every year, these IBS type symptoms kept coming up and, glad to say that that is not something I think about, I don't really have a problem. However, it can pop back up where it's all of a sudden I'm having like discomfort again or difficulty in digesting in the large intestine and it's always like feeling guilty about something not a good enough husband, or something like that. I can resolve the guilt and I don't have to worry about the digestive tract. Isn't that interesting? What about you, nick? You want to share any stories?
Speaker 1:yeah, and then I think we've got to wrap this up. So, oh, I had really bad migraines for a while and chiropractic did help that. But I mean, people talk about headaches and migraines. Migraines are like they're the type of headache that shuts your life down, handicaps you. So it's like I can do my life I could still do it with a headache, but when you have a migraine it's like whoa, the operational capacity goes down. You know like, don't operate heavy equipment in your life if you have a migraine, your capacity just goes down so much.
Speaker 1:So I was having a lot of migraines and they would just kind of shut me off from my life, that I was trying to live, and they'd come at very inappropriate times. Seemingly it's like I have to study for this final I have tomorrow and I'm cramming Well, of course that's why it's coming up here. But then I'd have a migraine and I'm like I can't study, it's not working. Well, I'll just wing it. You know, like those kinds of things were happening in my life, you know, and, um, part of what was behind that was the way that I was dealing with the pressure. I haven't completely thought this through for the sake of the podcast, but I was not handling the pressures of life. Well, I was trying to bottle them up and then my body would force me to deal with it. It's like you can't escape your own thoughts. Right now there's nowhere else to go and I'd still try to escape. But that's what happens in a significant symptom like that, and it seemed like the migraines always happened around high-pressure times. Of course, they got worse, so it's like, yeah, it's like I can't deal with this pressure. I have no tools. I didn't have enough tools to deal with it. Um, so, on an emotional basis, I was blocking this flow and I was trying to escape life.
Speaker 1:And but this whole blockage of flow right, I mean and the energy for people? You know we're talking about energy flow it does tend to go through the top center of you, down through your body, and it kind of recirculates and with the meridians, there's meridians that go down, like your arm, for instance, and then there's meridians that go down, like your arm, for instance, and then there's meridians that go back up from your arm up towards your head, and it's a flow, right, and so you can map out the meridians. It does go from one to the next. It's like, well, the energy should go through this meridian. This way it comes back up that other meridian. There is a flow that's happening and then you see a flow through the day. There's high points of the day with energy flow right like liver high points one to three. This is why a lot of times with people in liver digestion, they wake up in the night, yeah, um. So there's there's high points and low points. There's a flow right anytime that you're like I'm going to block the flow right here.
Speaker 2:that doesn't go so well no, yeah, you don't want to be in resistance to these things. That will, uh, perpetuate the cycle that you're, that you're in, um, yeah, okay, so we are going to wrap this up, but we'll give people a few things to think about now. There's not typically just one emotion that goes with each meridian pathway, um, but we can give you some of the big hitters. So if you're listening to this and it's like I have, uh, a lung issue right now, that could take many forms. The big one for lung is grief. So keep going about whatever your practitioner, your doctors have you doing for long, but you and your own work could be like is there some stuck grief? Have I not grieved for something significant, some significant loss of my life? Is there stuck grief?
Speaker 1:people's places, circumstances, events, right. It doesn't have to be like I lost somebody. It could be like I miss my childhood, I don't know or like I lost my like dream.
Speaker 2:I had a dream about my adult life being a certain way and I lost it. Yeah, okay, um liver, typically it's unhappiness, depression. You can work on um source of your unhappiness or your perspective. Why do you think you're unhappy? Maybe it's an elation. Maybe there's a lot to be happy for Gallbladder typically resentment, bitterness, unforgiveness that whole realm. Kidneys fear. A lot of manifestations of fear, Sometimes just indecision, for example, fear of the consequences of your choices, perhaps, so you can confront that, what else Spleen pancreas? It's like low self-esteem.
Speaker 1:And it could be like anxiety, anxiety right, I'm feeling unsafe, which is partly of me having low self-esteem. And it could be like anxiety Unsafe right, I'm feeling unsafe, which is partly of me having low self-esteem, low confidence, right?
Speaker 2:I don't feel safe right now, really, I could also show up as like complaining the feeling of just a complainer, yeah.
Speaker 1:Bladder, impatient, frustrated. Yeah, Impatience for sure.
Speaker 2:Irritation, irrit, impatient, frustrated. Yeah, impatience for sure, irritation, irritation, totally Small intestine. Rejection, right Abandonment, rejection, thyroid, thyroid and adrenal function those are connected. That is, there's a lot of things there. Hopelessness, helpless, hopeless, yeah, helpless, hopeless are the things I check first for that? Yeah, that is, there's a lot of things there. There's hopelessness, hopeless hopeless, yeah, helpless.
Speaker 1:Hopeless are the things I check first for that yeah, um, so that could.
Speaker 2:That could be, like despair might at its end point. Yeah, I could also be loneliness sex organs.
Speaker 1:You know, we got, you know. So the ovaries, uterus, uh test. I find the emotion mainly for me and people hear like regret is one, but I feel like it's like just the emotion of depleted Feeling, like I am yeah, I don't have anything left in the tank.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So the word I would use for that is like unresponsiveness. I just I got nothing left, whatever, yeah, okay, that's those ones. What are we missing? I think that's good Stomach. Stomach issues this could be, like you know, a lot of different, like stomach ulcers, something like that.
Speaker 1:Overwhelm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, overwhelm.
Speaker 1:It's all the overs. You could be over concerned. You could be over over sympathizing with another person's issues.
Speaker 2:You know, like a mom worried about their children, they have an upset stomach yeah, also like hunger, not in like the healthy way, hunger um, which I guess we use like hungry in a positive way sometimes, when we're talking about, like you know, that part that athlete's playing like they're hungry, yeah, hungry. Like it's an emotional attachment to lack I don't have what I want. Yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1:I'll do Central Meridian too, because that's important and that, I think, has a lot to do with your nervous system and it just goes straight into shame. You're talking about your conception line or your governing vessel, conception vessel, central meridian, cv, and it goes from your chin down the front of your body over your navel, and it does have a lot to do with the nervous system. Um, and yeah, it is just kind of like the shamefulness. It's really central feelings of self, how I feel about myself in a negative way, but uh, yeah, so embarrassment, you could feel really embarrassed. Cool governing vessel hardly comes up and it's a little bit more complex for people to understand sometimes, but, uh, arrogance, pridefulness can be part of that and people are like, well, what is that? That's just for people who are really, uh, dedicated to understanding these meridians as we're talking about it. Um, anything else, did we miss any?
Speaker 2:I don't think so, part of the circulation. Yeah, we did. We're good, that's good, that's good. Yeah, we gave people some little gems to think about.
Speaker 1:I hope this was helpful for people and yeah, I mean, this might be like a referential episode for people who want to understand what they really are and so you know, if you feel like you got a friend or you got a coworker or family member, someone they need to hear a little bit more of this truth. Every time I try to tell them about alternative or holistic health or dealing with their emotions, they just to hear a little bit more of this truth. Every time I try to tell them about alternative or holistic health or dealing with their emotions, they just don't get it. Maybe this might shed some light on why it's important.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and keep in mind, Nick and I are accessible. You can work with us individually on some of these things. So this is you, and it's like I've had this difficult issue and a million doctor's appointments and specialists. Nothing seems to be getting resolved. Well, maybe it's time to have a different strategy and the good news is you can actually work with me, nick. So look at the show notes. Find us us on the internet. We are reachable, jakeheidcom.
Speaker 1:DrNicholasHeidcom. There you go, yeah, well, love to all of you fine people out there and love to you, jake, from me. Thank you guys, love you. Love you, brother. I'm going, man Bye.