The Deep Healing Project
The Wellness Brothers, Dr. Jake and Dr. Nick Hyde, talk about doctor stuff, or brother stuff, or sometimes both. Filled to the brim with humor, practical advice, and rich in-depth conversation, these brothers from opposite sides of the country connect on the topics that they truly love. Centered on holistic health, each podcast goes to the core of physical, mental, emotional and spiritual health and life.
The Deep Healing Project
Medical Monopolies and Miracle Cures They Don't Want You To Know About
What if everything you've been told about healing is incomplete? In this eye-opening conversation, brothers Jake and Nick pull back the curtain on the hidden forces that have shaped our healthcare system and limited our understanding of true healing.
The journey begins with a surprising look at how World War II transformed our food supply and nutrition knowledge. Before the war, nutrition focused on traditional wisdom and fundamental principles. After? A processed food revolution that prioritized shelf-stability and convenience over health, eventually leading to problematic guidelines that many still follow today.
Most fascinating is their exploration of Dr. Royal Rife, a scientific genius who developed technology that could destroy cancer cells using specific frequencies without harming healthy tissue. His remarkable success was systematically suppressed by the American Medical Association, which attempted to buy him out and later launched defamation campaigns against him when he refused. This pattern of suppressing alternative approaches continued with chiropractors, homeopaths, and acupuncturists being jailed for practicing well into the 1980s.
Jake and Nick share powerful stories from their own practices – from tremors disappearing instantly after spinal adjustments to women overcoming fertility issues through natural means. Their approach isn't treating diseases but optimizing health by removing obstacles to healing and creating environments where the body can heal itself.
"No one's ever going to find restoration and healing unless they're actively participating in seeking it," Jake emphasizes. This podcast invites you to become your own health advocate in a system where practitioners are often limited in what they can offer.
Want to continue this conversation or suggest topics for future episodes? Reach out directly – Jake and Nick are committed to giving listeners what they want while empowering everyone to take control of their health journey.
Welcome one and all. You're back listening to the Deep Healing Project. I said it right, I think right, that's right. Um, so we're here for another week of just talking about healing, which is what we always do, and, uh, this morning we're getting going. Jake's got his coffee, I got my coffee how do you take your time?
Speaker 2:He said quite a morning.
Speaker 1:He said quite a morning.
Speaker 2:We won't have to get into the details, but you say possible beginning of teething little baby and possibly an attention hungry preschooler, and you can fill in the blanks. But I'm here now Feels good. Anyway, nick, I asked you a question how do you take your coffee? What's your coffee formula?
Speaker 1:In the morning I just drink a black and in the afternoon I put some quality milk in it and it makes it a snack to me. So I call it my afternoon snack.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I used to do that in grad school, sometimes for lunch because on a budget, you know how it goes. But there was a Starbucks on our campus in the cafeteria and it was pretty friendly with the people working there. But they would let me order just two shots, which is pretty cheap it was like $1.75 or something and they'd put it over ice for me and they would hand me heavy cream. They just hand me the bottle and so I would fill it up to my my diet, so it was a milkshake. So I'd like a high fat calorie lunch, basically because I had the calories of a decent lunch and, um, the energy of two espresso shots and that was great.
Speaker 2:Because the way my school did is lectures all morning and then afternoon was all laboratory work and, uh, got me through and, interesting, some people may like heavy whipping cream. Really, jake, that's that's what you're doing. Yes, that's what I did, and that summer I also got shredded. Yeah, intentionally. I was actually on a plan to see like, can I get lean? What that feel like again, like lean, like I was aiming for like 10% body fat, which I got right around there having heavy whipping cream lunches. So what do you think about that, nick?
Speaker 1:I think it's very doable and you know, I think you think you know it's it's really good for your body. We, we need the fat dude, we need the fat. I think it's so under appreciated. But uh, I mean, you get into some of this. Like I've been looking for a lot of diet nutrition books that are pre-World War II. This is a whole other topic of conversation. Why pre-World War II? I mean, it's not because it's like World War II necessarily, but it's just I know what you're talking about, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because nutrition books since then around abouts have been wanting. I like the really traditional stuff, it's the stuff that like they, yeah, it's like the really basic fundamentals of nutrition. Before then you know what I mean. Well, what happened around World War II?
Speaker 2:was a processed food industry. So in order to feed the war effort in Europe and in Asia, we basically invented manufacturing processed food, shelf-stable, reliable food that can be shipped and stored for a long time. So we had this huge industry and after the war we still had the capabilities of processing a lot of food and making it shelf-stable. And another thing was women in the workforce and we continued with that after world war ii and that's the beginning of, like the tv trade dinners and more like um, pre-made type foods at home. So processed foods essentially, and uh yeah, so the pre-world war ii would make sense, because after that it was like the whole initiative was this big food industry. Suddenly, and the big food industry already having connections with the government, started designing the like American feeding your family culture or ideas that eventually led to the food pyramid, which is its whole topic on its own.
Speaker 1:Totally. I mean these are, these are good, these are all good topics in and of themselves. I I think what kind of shattered my understanding, my, my faith and hope in a lot of medicine was. Um, I read a book about. It was really chemotherapy, but it had a lot to do with the stockpiles of mustard gas we had after world war one and the government was trying to figure out and they and they decided to start using it and trying to figure out if it could be used for something else and they found that it could kill cancer.
Speaker 1:But 100% of people that they did it on first died of the mustard gas that makes sense to me, yeah, so they did enough research to find out ways of basically giving people enough of that mustard gas to kill the cancer and not immediately kill the person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the bet is healthy cells can out survive the unhealthy cells. And also an idea is the cancer cells have a higher metabolism, so they're going to be maybe uptaking it more. This is kind of the gamble, kind of the idea.
Speaker 1:And you could look it up. I mean, mustard gas is still part of the chemistry, it's still part of the chemotherapy formula. So we're still using it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the other interesting thing too is some of those biochemical weapon manufacturers of World War I. A lot of those companies still exist today in a different form. So in America one of the big chemical weapon manufacturing companies moved into agriculture making pesticides and insecticides.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Monsanto being the big one, and in germany, as I understand it and I'm not like a historian on this, but as I understand it another chemical weapon making company, uh, transitioned from making chemical weapons into pharmaceuticals. Like you're talking about, that company is Bayer.
Speaker 1:And no doubt about it. If you look at any one of the Wikipedias for these companies, it's a fascinating read. You'll be entertained because you'll immediately probably think about like Bond, villains and those kinds of things. And it reads that way and you just read it like oh, this company was working with the Nazis making chemical weapons, and then now they're selling me. It's like, oh, they still do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's kind of interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 1:A lot to think about. But then also the science journals really started to change a lot Again, not huge. This wasn't our planned topic, so I'm kind of like hesitant about how much to get into this.
Speaker 2:But the.
Speaker 1:AMA got very controlling.
Speaker 2:The American Medical Association, the American.
Speaker 1:Medical Association, which is a labor union, is what it is. It started as a labor union and what is labor union supposed to do? It's really supposed to protect the rights of its workers and work for its workers, right? So what's the? You know, when the AMA comes out with a publication, it's not really there to say this is good for our patients, this is what's good for our patients. It's to say this is what's good for our doctors and how much money we can make and how you know controlling we can be of the market. And's what they did, and they really worked their absolute best to squash all of the competition and it was easy for them because they were powerful.
Speaker 2:They immediately rose to it and this is why they had so many um, uh, like monopoly lawsuits and stuff like that, anti-trust lawsuits that anti, anti-defamation lawsuits, too, that they lost because they were trying to squash the competition so they would slander any competitors to the mainstream medical ideas, and big lawsuits that they lost.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and some really significant losses have happened to this, like, for instance, dr Royal Rife. I mean this would be its own topic of conversation, but Dr Royal Rife, nobel Prize winner, he is an absolute genius. I mean he's a Tony Stark, if people get comic book reference. He got into making microscopes was one of his first things and basically the microscopes was one of his first things and the basically the microscopes we had at the time. Uh, I think his first microscope he released after that was like 600 times more powerful than whatever we were using at the time.
Speaker 2:I mean he essentially invented the modern microscope.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and to be able to look at viruses even right. So he figured out ways to do that which was just like unheard of, like something so small as that, small as that, and that also allowed him to do his next invention, which he uh, he started to get into frequency, you know, studying frequency of of every kind of cell and and bacteria and particle like that, and he found out ways of like, inverting the frequency wave and basically, like you know how a singer can sing, so you know they could find the frequency of glass and then they could break the glass when a singer like, really, you know, I think people have seen that just by singing loudly. Right, it's the same science. But he found out how to do that with, like a bacteria, for instance. It's like, oh, if someone has staff, you can turn this device up to this frequency and it will kill all of the staff in someone's body without hurting any of their cells, because it's not the same frequency well, yeah, the idea is um basic physics here.
Speaker 2:That glass that the singer is shattering has a frequency, so it's vibrating already and if you can sing at that particular frequency, so maybe you know how you hit a glass with your fork and it rings. You could sing at that pitch and because of constructive interference you're going to increase the amplitude of the vibrations. You're going to put energy into it because of harmonic resonance and then so you can get an already vibrating glass to vibrate so much because of increased amplitude that it can't hold the energy anymore and it shatters. What Dr Reif was doing was the inverse. It's destructive interference where you can collapse the vibration and kill a bacteria, for example, not by constructive interference, by putting more energy into it, but by doing an inverse wave that then collapses the vibration. So constructive interference is increased amplitude because of harmonic resonance. Like the singer with the glass, this was destructive interference, collapsing the vibration with an inverse frequency. Pretty neat yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So he did that and at the time of doing that, the whole medical community, the whole scientific community, was very intrigued. And then ama gave him some offers. They're trying to buy him out, basically, and what they the ama was doing at the time is they'd buy out these kinds of things. Of course it wasn't in the interest of their, their union, so they would basically just not release any of the information after they'd buy people out. Rife had already heard of this by the time he was there, which is like-documented stuff at this point. But they squashed his reputation. I mean, they did all kinds of stuff to his reputation. They released things about him being an alcoholic and all these things and whatever they got the FDA to ban some of his technologies.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the really unfortunate part is he figured out a way to do this for cancer and it worked a hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 2:That is my understanding.
Speaker 1:And there's lots of third party people who were studying who, who would do the same experiment with his equipment and they would get the same results. So it wasn't just like, oh, he's some like magnanimous, you know healer person, it's like no, I was working for other people the same. And you know, now there are royal rife machines that exist out it, but they do not have his frequencies. That he, what do they have? Well, they, they can do what his device was doing, which was like you know, we're talking about the harmonics and the frequency. So they can do those things, but we, we don't have his manual as to how to do it or for how long or at what frequency for certain cancers or any of those kinds of things.
Speaker 1:So it's hard to get a real legit Royal Reif machine on the market. But there's people who try to, because everyone who's manufacturing them these days is just trying to guess at what he was doing right. So it's very possible, like, as we speak, that something, someone has cracked the code and kind of reverse engineered it, so to speak. But um, as far as I could tell, there's been lots of people and this has been part of what the AMA plan was to do in the first place is to basically discredit the technology, because there's a lack of consensus and there's a lack of whatever machines are on the market are not quite as reliable as whatever he was doing. He's just one of those geniuses, so he had figured it out and we just, unfortunately, due to AMA, we squandered that great resource that it was.
Speaker 2:Imagine if we had 100 years at this point of utilizing these devices in hospitals and such yeah, this is revealing my nerdiness, but it's kind of like, um, you know, our dad was a star trek fan, so watch it sometimes with him, and they had those technologies in like the, the med bay, where it was just like you just point a little device at whatever and choose a frequency and it's like all right, appendicitis healed. It's like it's it's very Star Trek-y, right, it's just a device that's frequency-based, and I do think that is the future of medicine is frequency-based, not chemical or biochemistry-based. And we already have some tech that is mainstream, that's just frequency-based, like mammogram machines for or mri machines and so we're happy to use the tech to diagnose.
Speaker 2:So then it's like all right, there's the cancer and now we can just go with our biochemical yes, or like mechanical. It's like all right, well, here's now, here's where we're going to cut, or here's where we're going to um, but yeah, it's diagnostic, so we'll use the energy based text to then know whether or not we have to use the biochemical treatments. But the future is still going to be frequency, I think. Yeah, yeah, inter. Is this what you want to talk about today, nick?
Speaker 1:This was not the plan, but this is the direction we're going. Okay, lead me, nick. I guess we're having our conspiracy-esque show. These aren't conspiracies, these are conspiracies.
Speaker 2:People conspired to these ends. So there's a difference between conspiracies and conspiracy theories. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Conspiracy is just people conspiring to an end, and people do it all the time, and sometimes it's proven, sometimes it isn't proven. I think conspiracy theories some of them should probably be called conspiracy hypotheses Not enough evidence to categorize it as a theory at this point. But there are just conspiracies that have happened throughout history where various groups conspire to whatever ends they're trying to achieve, and so that's happened a lot in medicine, healthcare in general, and so this is a conspiracy episode so far. But so far we're not really delving into the conspiracy hypotheses or theories. This is just what's been decided already in the court of law.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and just to kind of close out on that, you know I've told people this before, people who follow my newsletter. I've written about it before. But if you have, if you've ever had a time in your life where you felt judgmental towards or skeptical of what's often referred to as alternative healthcare, alternative medicine, Sometimes called complementary healthcare.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you've ever felt that way, it's because the AMA wanted you to feel that way and they've done their best to create that image.
Speaker 1:So in the 90s, well, okay, I mean, here's the thing Chiropractorsors, homeopaths, um, osteopaths, osteopaths, acupuncturists well, yeah, I mean, acupuncture wasn't really even allowed to the 70s, till richard nixon kind of did it because he had surgery, he had surgery, they put him, they they just used acupuncture instead of anesthesia for surgery and it worked and he was blown away. And so he was like we're having acupuncture in the US and there's people who were like doing it, you know, behind closed doors, but it was not allowed really because of the AMA. Right, it wasn't allowed because of the AMA, it wasn't allowed because of the AMA. And chiropractors and other people, homeopaths I don't know all the story in the osteopathic world, but these guys were going, men and women were going to jail for doing their trade. The AMA were putting these people into jail and, as far as it goes concerned with chiropractic, they were doing it like to the 80s, you know, like people in the 80s had still had some jail time just for doing chiropractic.
Speaker 1:Certain yeah, certain states now and, granted, there was federal laws protecting chiropractors at that point, right, right, yeah. So this is so backwards. And in the 90s, chiropractors finally won a landslide legal battle against the AMA. It's an antitrust lawsuit. The AMA it's an antitrust lawsuit and they had used part of the. I mean, this is just absolutely amazing. I just reread this in my chiropractic history book there was a million separate documents that they submitted as evidence of propaganda that AMA was using against chiropractic. So a million separate documents of evidence Like that's hard. It's not like here's exhibit A, here's exhibit B. There was a million separate exhibits of defamation and propaganda against chiropractors that the AMA was using. So we've been programmed by that. You know it's seeped through the cracks and it's gotten a lot better, but you know, even like when we were just starting out now I feel like since COVID a lot of things have changed in the world, but when we were starting out it's like a lot of the power of really what the AMA has done legally against alternative medicine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, part of it is after all those lawsuits and ultimately in the 80s some alternative practices got a seat at the table, like the mainstream medical table, like third-party payment type of table, and I'm not quite sure that's been overall great for the profession. Yeah, yeah, and that's because, okay, you can have a seat at the table, you can now bill insurance and things like that for treating people, and that made us go under regulation by the government and the subsidiary organizations that regulate healthcare medicine, things like that, and it became very influential. It's like, all right, you can now work, but here's your scope of practice. This is what you're allowed to work on if you want to do this work. And then here's the regulatory stuff too.
Speaker 2:So you know chiropractors. I took five board exams to become a chiropractor. Everyone has to take four, but in Florida I had to take a fifth to get my license there and pretty much wouldn't you say those exams are largely medical. Certainly, there are some chiropractic sprinkled in there, but a lot of it was medical, and that's because I mean there's no chiropractic sprinkled in there, but a lot of it was was medical, and that's because I mean there's.
Speaker 1:There's no chiropractic philosophy really sprinkled in there no, and a lot.
Speaker 2:I mean, there's very little like chiropractic applications as far as caring for people in there too, um, and so that's what chiropractic schools teach to you. Of course, chiropractic schools want to compete with the. Well, they don't want to compete with each other, they have to. And one of the ways you can compete with other ones is, say, like, look at our students' board score exams, like we crush it. And in order to crush it in board exams, you have to teach to the boards, which is a very medical education. And I would say those chiropractors the ones going to jail 40s, 50s, 60s were probably legendary, maybe like Dr Reif, not his category of legendary, but I bet they were incredibly helpful and not worthy of any of the anti-defamation stuff coming out from, say, the American Medical Association. Coming out from, say, the American Medical Association. Nowadays there's probably plenty to critique about alternative practices now that they're mainstream.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, you're totally right. This is a great point to bring up, because you know, like this is the benefit of having kind of that generational wisdom and everything, and a lot of the people that we were, you know real deal. Alternative. You know chiropractors, whatever in the chiropractic world they call them straight chiropractors, but I'm not even talking about them, just these people who are using healing wisdom. You walk into their offices.
Speaker 2:back in the 50s and 60s it's like 70s they weren't treating musculoskeletal problems no, you know, I mean sometimes, yeah, they weren't limited to it, so there wasn't an official scope of practice.
Speaker 1:This is what you do as a doctor, which there is now yeah, and, and the big idea of chiropractic at the time was was just trying to unlock that inner healing power for a person. So it's like we're just going. You know, they'd say stuff like we're going to turn the power back on. It's kind of like cheesy cliches and the chiropractic were like that. But they were doing it and that's because, because that's what they were, that's what they were putting all of their focus and emphasis in learning and at original, the original chiropractic school with dd palmer, they did call it the big idea and and dd palmer would. It was like an ongoing lecture that he would just keep going through the philosophy of healing kind of stuff. And as soon as someone got the big idea, they had the aha moment about healing. They would give him the diploma on the spot and say, all right, now go, go some community and help people Like missionaries.
Speaker 1:That was the old chiropractic model of education and now that's just not where the emphasis is put at all. So when you go into your average office it is a lot of musculoskeletal stuff and no doubt about that. They figured out a lot of really good things for musculoskeletal problems Totally. But yeah, they haven't put that emphasis on. Like you know, if someone really comes in in a bind to my office and they have a serious problem in their life, they just haven't necessarily done the work to help that person really have transformational health care, you know transformational healing, and that's just not their focus and emphasis. It's not like it's that much more difficult, like if they spent the time to do it they could probably.
Speaker 2:but yeah, so you have to be tricky. So chiropractors are helping people right now with their hands tied behind their back Because, for example, someone could come into like when I was practicing in Florida very limited scope of practice for chiropractors in that state and so someone would come to me and I couldn't treat a lot a variety of things that maybe were going on with them. And fortunately for Nick and I, we don't have to treat anything because I'm not treating an illness. What Nick and I do is optimize the expression of health. We remove obstacles towards healing. We help create an environment where a healing can take place and it does.
Speaker 2:But if you came to me with, say, cancer definitely can't treat that, I wouldn't try to. I wouldn't say I was doing that. A if you said that you're getting very likely reported and you're going to have to go before a board, a disciplinary board, and probably lose your license at least in Florida you would. So it didn't matter, I'm not treating cancer anyway. Can I help people with it? I certainly did so. Complementary care you can be supportive. That's maximize the expression of your health as you're dealing with or experiencing this diagnosable illness. But now what Nick and I do? We don't have to diagnose anything. I really don't. I mean, most people come to me already with a diagnosis. But even if they didn't, and it's like something's wrong with me, I could put a name to it. But I'm not putting it down and like coding it, because that's also a limitation in medicine right now. This is in all practices. It's like in order to treat something, you need to have a code and you need to have a name, otherwise you can't justify doing a treatment.
Speaker 2:But just, for example, a guy, an old patient, an old Florida patient of mine, who I was very close to her old family. She reached out recently, diagnosed with Parkinson's, diagnosed with Parkinson's, and her health had been declining now for a few years, and I touch base with all my old patients from time to time, just because they feel like family. After a while, she told me real bummed out, really feel like her health is getting away from her, and I don't know that was a little over a month ago. She just called me just to connect. But guess what? Not treating Parkinson's A could lose my license for doing that B. I'm not licensed interstate anyway, I'm not treating any illness over there.
Speaker 2:Do you think I helped her though, nick? Yeah, I guarantee that you did, I did and didn't have to treat any illness. But happy to say she feels like her old self again now. No Parkinsonian-type symptoms, like she had really bad tremors, none at the moment. But you and I aren't treating Parkinson's A legally, we can't. So I definitely wouldn't do that. B I'm not interested in illnesses, I'm interested in health wouldn't do that.
Speaker 1:B. I'm not interested in illnesses, I'm interested in health. Yeah, yeah, I think. Another example is for some reason in California they go out of their way to say chiropract, treat anything related to menstrual issues. And I can't market that either. And I'm like why? Because most of the time you know the licensing board will say these are the things that you treat right, but for some reason it's like you definitely can't say that you treat that Like. Why do you go out of your way to say it? Especially because 100% of the women who've come in, who've been suffering with that, have had spontaneous remissions of that in my office. I don't know it has nothing to do with me, but they're healing, it's definitely spontaneous. It has nothing to do with me, but they're healing, definitely spontaneous. It has nothing to do with me. I'll tell you that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nick, and I would never claim to heal any of those things that, yeah, we're legally not allowed to touch.
Speaker 1:Yeah many women have, you know. I think one of the more dramatic ones is one never had their period when she came in. And then you know, now she has two kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah our mentor, dr Phillips, once said to me he's like I've gotten more women pregnant than I care to mention. But of course what he means by that is people come in with fertility issues into his practice and they find out out much later. No fertility problems once doing healing work, because again you can put a diagnosis to it and you can put a code to amenorrhea, like the person you mentioned.
Speaker 2:It doesn't have a cycle, that's fine. We're not treating that anyway. We're looking at the expression of health and vitality in the body, and the body can heal and regulate itself. A lot of those diagnosable problems no longer need to exist. The conditions that created them no longer exist, so the problem doesn't exist. Yeah, created them no longer exists, so the problem doesn't exist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and for the record, any of these gremlins working government are listening. I treated her back pain, which is what she came in for me for, but as as a side effect of her healing and having, you know, health growing in her body, a lot of other things heal too.
Speaker 2:As it does. Body's designed to heal. Yeah, that's another thing People will come to me with, say, a chronic pain issue. Been having pain in my knee for a couple years Okay, well, a couple years. We might just have a healing problem, not a need problem, at this point, because if you spray in your MCL or something, that's an acute injury due to a trauma, that should get better. Maybe it needs surgery, that should get better. If it's not better years later, you not healing, you have a healing problem. Mm-hmm, that's true with any chronic issue. Some kind of acute trauma can obviously throw off your. Your hormones and your body's own biology can decide. Reproduction is not ideal the moment like this, so your cycle can change, you can even skip your cycle, that can happen. But if it's long term, you have a healing problem. You have a regulatory issue.
Speaker 1:Your body's not self-regulating, and then complementary or alternative doctors can be pretty good at figuring that stuff out yeah, yeah and um, I'm going to say this because there's there's no legal issue with this in, uh, el salvador. But we did a mission trip in el salvador once and it's kind of interesting because I actually did this a couple of times. But the things that people would come to us for were very often having nothing to do with physical, like a, like a pain, or like, you know, my back hurts or something like that. So it's like cause we, we were just set up and by the end of the day it would be like everyone and their grandmas came out for something other than back pain or neck pain, right, and it was kind of interesting how quickly you'd see some things respond and it's a different culture. They haven't been inundated with some things as we have. They have a culture of thinking of maybe people would say superstitious, but they believe in miracles. You know they have a culture of that and you know, I can't tell you how many times like.
Speaker 1:Here's an example there's this one gentleman who had, like we're talking about Parkinson's type symptoms. Again, we had no diagnosis. He was just standing in line to be treated, right, and you can see he had the resting tremors. So he has this resting tremor, whole body tremor, and I'll never forget it because you know, it's like I have like two minutes with the person and I'm just I don't even know everything about health and healing and all this stuff, but I do know how to deliver a good adjustment at that time. And so his atlas was way out, his C1 vertebra, and I was like I know that relates with the nervous system, I'm going to adjust that. I adjusted it and immediately, immediately when being adjusted, his resting tremor disappeared.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not treating his symptoms. You were, uh just creating alignment in his nervous system yeah, and so for me that was a very visceral.
Speaker 1:I had a very visceral, I had a very visceral reaction to that. That was like, oh, healing is something different than what I had been told, or like healthcare is something different than what I had understood in my childhood. Yeah, the body can heal and it has these organizing principles within it that can lack the energy or they can be disorganized. I mean, there's always something logical happening in the body, but it's sometimes that opposition to something else that needs to get done, so it's like his body had finally that moment to do some healing and anyways, that kind of stuff happened just constantly on those trips.
Speaker 1:You know you're like whoa, but of course there's no followup. So it's not like and three months later you know, but you're just seeing it on the spot, you know had babies, babies crying, and the mom would be like this baby has never slept, and then you adjust it and I'd say, come back in a couple hours to just like recheck, and they'd be like the baby's still sleeping. Since you adjusted it, it's like wait. So I don't know. There's a lot more out there that people just haven't, they're not privy to and I realize I take this for granted a lot more out there that people just haven't, they're not privy to, and and I realize I take this for granted a lot of times when I have conversations with people in my office that I just get to be front row and and have one of the best seats in the whole world to watch people's healing unfold. And they don't. They don't get to do that.
Speaker 2:So yeah, there's. All kinds of stories are coming to my head with you sharing stories like that. There's like profound ones with lots of tears and it's like funny ones, like I remember a young lady my office is pretty early on coming to me for more structural type of issues and towards the end of a session she she's like I'm sorry, it was embarrassing, but I have to run to the restroom right now. I'm like oh yeah, sure she runs, she comes back. She's like I've been so constipated for so long I didn't want to tell you that because it was embarrassing, so that wasn't one of my complaints coming in. But those are things that happen. That's not the only time that that's happened.
Speaker 2:Obviously, when people are like, oh, my digestive system's back online, suddenly there's work to do and uh, yeah, that happens on treatment tables too a lot. But but yeah, part of my story is when I was still in a like a residency, I wanted to get some experience in a personal injury type of office. Just wanted to have that under my belt because I figured I would never touch that kind of work once I went into my own practice. But I wanted to see what that was like. So it was like personal injury, workers' comp, car accident type of cases, things like that. And so I was doing the real grunt insurance work as an intern. Obviously that's like why my boss at the time it's part of like a like a internship programs because like a lot of grunt work when doing those kind of cases but one day she was just so sick of like this chronically like a heavy pain type patient and there's bad attitude and I don't blame her. Frankly, she was in a ton of pain for a very long time. She's like can you just do something with her? I don't want to deal with her today and I was like what do you want me to do? She's like whatever, I don't care. I was like cool, I'm going to do some of these techniques that I've been learning. And I did. She came back like a brand new person for her next session Brand new person barely any pain. She still had pain a little bit, but it was like 10% of what it was. And after her second or third session, zero pain.
Speaker 2:So now I started getting interesting cases, not just like car crash, workers' comp type cases and it was like again, because this was like an insurance-based practice we were officially treating structural pain issues, which we were. However, I was now getting to use some of these I guess more for mainstream chiropractic, more fringe techniques on top of the more traditional ones, and my boss was giving me all the chronic cases, whether it was like chronic digestive or migraines which is not that unusual for a chiropractor to do but things like MS, autoimmune issues, things like that, um, and we're getting results. And then I graduated and moved on. But once I did I was like more than ever I have to investigate these type of techniques. I have to take this as far as I can go.
Speaker 2:But I was early on in my uh student like internship type work too. I started to see some wild things happening with this uh, these alternative approaches and chiropractic is alternative to mainstream medicine. But nick and I specialize in alternative approaches even within the chiropractic world yeah, I think, sometimes I just I'm more accepted in the medical world sometimes than I am in the chiropractic world that's true.
Speaker 1:Do you ever feel that way? I feel, yeah, I feel that way. It's funny. I just had this um one of my patients yesterday. She's incredible yoga instructor for like 50 years and she was walking out at the office. She's like you know I still can't really explain, like what you do.
Speaker 1:But anytime one of the people around me starts talking about fringe out there weird stuff, I stuff, I always just recommend them to you and I was like thank you, I guess, um, and yeah, you know, I don't really care about anything else but people's healing and wellbeing and, um, amen to that, brother. So I try not to get wrapped up in all the active conspiracy happening in the world as we're talking about. But it's good context to realize, if you want, if you want good health and you want healing and maybe you have a significant issue that you have to be your own best advocate, because the people out there have other agendas. There's lots of big organizations that have different agendas than you and truth is, no one's ever going to really find good restoration and healing in their life unless they are the active participant seeking that thing in their life. You have to be the one that advocates for yourself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and if you're listening to our podcast, you're probably already oriented in that way. Yeah, and if you're listening to our podcast, you're probably already oriented in that way. But maybe you can share our podcast with your sister or mother or friend or whatever. Maybe this would be good information for them to hear, because, yeah, you do have to be your own advocate and it's hard. Like I said, chiropractors are treating people with their hands tied behind their backs, but so are medical doctors.
Speaker 2:I had a patient in back in my florida days. He was a neurosurgeon and, uh, just brilliant guy really appreciate him. So we got coffee once just to chit chat about stuff and he admitted to me he's like man, I'm kind of jealous of what you do. Do you make like 300k a month? But okay, go on.
Speaker 2:And it's like um, people come to me for a neurosurgery consult and if there's not something that I can cut from their brain, I can't help them, even though I know, because this guy studies lifestyle health yeah, an awesome guy. He's like I have a lot to offer them as far as lifestyle things like nutrition or change in activities and lifestyle and I can't actually tell them. It's crazy. So I basically yeah, so it's like can I do surgery? Yes, all right, we can help you. No, you're not a candidate for surgery. I do surgery yes, all right, we can help you. Nope, you're not a candidate for surgery, I can't help you, even though I know that I can. So he felt bad about that.
Speaker 2:And then I had another patient who was also well, he's a trauma surgeon, but basically an orthopedic surgeon, or orthopedic specialist too, or orthopedic specialist too, and he was also really bummed out because by the time he gets someone, um, like what he says when he first started working because he's probably in his late 50s um, you know a lot of like knee repairs, hip repairs, really giving people their life back. But he's like now what I mostly do like most of my surgeries are amputations for diabetics is really bumming him out because he knows that's preventative. So now he's getting paid a lot of money to amputate people for something that was preventative, and so he's like I hate this, I hate doing this now, because what you're doing, jake, is you actually can keep people from having to get to a place where they lose a limb, and so now what he's doing is just cutting feet off and it's sucks. He hates it because he knows yeah he doesn't have to he doesn't have to get to that place right well
Speaker 1:I know this other surgeon who uh, he's, he's specializes in. He was really specializing in gallbladder surgeries, whole things, and he had a major dilemma. He found out about some traditional diet stuff and he went down the rabbit hole and discovered standard process and he started using beta food for people's liver or gallbladder issues and he realized that it can fix 100% of his gallbladder people.
Speaker 2:I put a lot of people on, but there's a better one AF. Beta food is my go-to for that, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'd say beta food is a little bit stronger than just af beta food. Af beta foods may be more holistic, but if you're in a if you're in a bad place if you're like experiencing gallbladder failure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if and um, I mean if you have really bad gallbladder bladder episode. Catnip 40 drops of catnip tincture you could find in almost every health food store. Catnip, put 40 drops in hot water and drink it up and probably within an hour your gallbladder episode will be done. So that's a good hot tip.
Speaker 1:But anyways, this guy and, of course, this podcast is for entertainment purposes only anyways, this guy started to do that and he had this major quandary where he's like I make 15 000 per gallbladder surgery and then I make like 20 bucks per selling a standard process supplement or whatever. And I was like a major like do I do what's right? Do I? You know what I mean? And he ended up just becoming like a nutrition functional medicine doctor. He just completely gave up doing surgeries. So good on him.
Speaker 2:Good on him. That's a tough one. Yeah, it's a tough one, man. It's time for us to go. It is time, nick, great time we had today Unexpected conversation. But that's the nature of this podcast, that's how it goes. This is just two brothers Happen to be doctors talking about doctor stuff and brother stuff too. So good conversation. It was fun. A lot of stuff that I want to sink my teeth into and go deeper, but I think this was a pretty good conversation.
Speaker 1:Well, if people want more of this, then please let us know, cause I'm sure we can go away.
Speaker 2:We'll talk about whatever, whatever you guys want. So if you guys want to reach out to us, write to us. Let us know what you're into. We want to give the people what they want.
Speaker 1:All right, Be well. Everyone till next time. I love you guys.
Speaker 2:Bye.