The Deep Healing Project

What's Really Behind That Pain You Can't Explain?

• The Cultivated Being • Season 2 • Episode 12

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We explore the Triad of Health concept as a holistic framework for understanding the root causes of health issues and accessing healing. This fundamental approach examines how structure (physical aspects), biochemistry (nutrition and chemical processes), and mental-emotional factors all contribute to both symptoms and healing.

• The Triad of Health represents structure, biochemistry, and mental-emotional aspects that influence every health condition
• Any symptom can be effectively addressed from one or more sides of this triangle
• Significant physical traumas often remain unresolved due to mental-emotional factors present during the incident
• Healing occurs more completely when addressing multiple aspects of the triad
• Dr. MTM Morter Jr. estimated approximately 90% of body dysfunction traces back to mental-emotional origins
• Resistance to experiences causes more suffering than the experiences themselves
• Transforming "don't want" into "want" can convert destructive stress into energizing stress
• Symptoms often serve as messengers from the subconscious, providing valuable information
• Learning from symptoms can be more valuable than immediately eliminating them

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Speaker 1:

it's us again, the two brothers that you guys happen to listen to, I suppose. Suppose we were talking about health and we're happy that you're back listening to us. It pleases us greatly. You know, we're not sponsored by anyone except ourselves and our families, I guess you could say and it's nice to know that people are listening to this. It takes a lot of effort, obviously. So thanks for doing that and we would love to earn your subscription. Like and share us, comment, ask questions. All of those things are nice for us. We like engagement and huge shout out to whoever's listening to us from Frankfurt, germany.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, we've got a little fan base there, don't we?

Speaker 1:

We do somehow. So, hey, I don't know a whole lot of things to say in German, but obviously they understand English. So thank you, danke schön. So today we're going to get right to it. That's okay with you, jake. It's okay, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Okay, just jump right in.

Speaker 1:

So you know a lot of times the topics. How do we pick the topics? It's just stuff that's been coming up in the week and you know people having real questions in our practices and then Jake and I maybe talk about it for a minute before we start and then there it goes yeah.

Speaker 1:

So this week I've been getting a lot of one particular thing and it's come to my attention that maybe people don't understand it as well as I would like them to, and this is a great time to kind of help their understanding with it and that is the triad of health. I didn't come up with this word, word triad of health, this phrase I think George Goodhart came up with it from Applied Kinesiology. But what does the triad of health represent? It's kind of an understanding of diagnostic what's really going on behind. Any one symptom that a person's presenting with can be explained with the triad of health, and that's to say it's not just one thing, otherwise it would be the mono. I don't know something like that.

Speaker 1:

The triad of health is a triangle that represents structure, like the physical aspect of someone's health, biochemical, which is, you know, like nutrition and you know hormones and all this kind of biochemistry happening in the body than the mental-emotional. And it's to say, you know, this triangle might be like different shapes represented for each symptom, right, it's like maybe I don't know all the different types of triangles that exist out there, but isosceles or you know these other shapes of triangle Maybe, to represent that structure is maybe a little bit more important than this, because you had a physical trauma, but everything is always represented in it. Right, it's always represented wait.

Speaker 1:

So far, we've only you've presented to us a dyad so far oh, mental, emotional is the third, right so, and then you know, right, so, and then you know you well, there's. You can break any one of those down into subsections, but just to keep it, the triad. So a lot of times people come in and they're like let's just go with a pain symptom. They're like oh, my hurts my ankle's been bothering me every time. It's not bad all day long, but you know, I'm noticing it. I'd like it to get helped. I don't know if I need surgery. You know, these are the kinds of things people say when they come into me and because there's not a whole lot of options for them, otherwise, they're just like I have this chronic pain. I don't know if I'm bone on bone, right. I don't know if I'm bone on bone, right.

Speaker 1:

These are the things people tell me. I'm sure you hear some of that stuff, jake. Oh, yeah, for sure. And so they're like what happened? I didn't like sprain my ankle and it's like well, that is interesting. Why do you have this pain? We don't know of a physical trauma that happened to you, but likely there's still physical aspects of this pain, right? Some tissues injured perhaps, and you're having this pain. Well, we got to investigate from the triad and oftentimes you only really need to treat one side of the triad to have the person healed, because people are just so good at healing right. You could just focus in on one right. You could go to a functional medicine doctor who just practices like nutrition and be like my ankle hurts. I'm sure they give you a pretty solid remedy that maybe the pain would go away and you go back to normal function, right, yeah?

Speaker 2:

or a remedy that promotes healing pain would go away and and you go back to normal function, right, yeah, or a remedy that promotes healing yeah yeah, so not necessarily reduction of a symptom of pain, because there's a lot of things that, uh say, a nutritionist can do as far as like managing inflammation, but they can also do things that stimulate the healing response in the body 100%.

Speaker 1:

So that's an option. But you could go to a rolfer and they could just do really hard physical work on your ankle and you probably would feel better, right? So there's different ways of approaching this, and it's not because it's not to say, hey, look, it's not one or the other. It's to always say it's some combination of all three, no matter what.

Speaker 1:

I have had people who had a pain like this and then they had some kind of like inner emotional revelation about something, and then the pain goes away and like I hadn't even treated them, they just told me this story, right, we hadn't done anything specifically, but they had some kind of breakthrough in their life.

Speaker 1:

And then a pain or symptom like they have digestive issues or whatever it might be, and then a pain or symptom like they have digestive issues or whatever it might be, and then that goes away. Right To say that the emotional stress and that all had a factor as well, and so you can treat any one symptom from one of these angles. But sometimes it's best to do two or three angles and I think for maybe the people who have it the worst you need to. It's necessary, right? If you have somebody, this happens, right? I get a lot of people who and Jake gets these people who they say quote unquote. They've been to everyone and they have this problem right. So they've been working at multiple sides of the triad of health and yet the problem has not gone away.

Speaker 2:

Could you say, Nick, that that is in some way a definition of holistic health? I?

Speaker 1:

would. I would say that Okay.

Speaker 2:

Right, because what we're describing some of these specialists might be naturalistic, meaning they're using natural techniques. You mentioned rolfing, you mentioned nutrition. That'd be naturalistic, but not necessarily holistic.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and the waters have gotten a little bit muddied because a lot of people think that they are holistic. They don't have an understanding that there's something more holistic than what they think of. I see some of these physical, maybe more physically based, like a rolfer, for instance, very physically based, and then they go to a seminar that's like trauma informed, and so now they're putting on their you know website or their business card that they're trauma informed, you know specialist, and yet they're not really doing any like mental, emotional techniques. They're just kind of holding space for some. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I think that's a great thing, but that's not, that's still not very holistic in their treatment.

Speaker 2:

Agreed? Yeah, because you can be informed about a lot of things, but that doesn't mean you'd be useful in that category. Like I'm informed on geopolitics, I wouldn't put myself in charge of anything important.

Speaker 1:

Geopolitical base yeah, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't know what to do if they gave me the control. Yeah, um, so, on that note, yeah, um, dealing with the whole thing and we can talk about this. I mean, obviously, we talk about a lot of these different things a lot of the time. It's kind of what this podcast is. I mean, we have over 100 episodes. It's amazing. We still have stuff to talk about.

Speaker 2:

Oh, it's a deep well, yeah, because I think the essence of what we're doing here is we're teaching people how to be healers in their own right. So I think sometimes it's a sillier episode, sometimes it's very practical, sometimes it's very practical, sometimes it's very philosophical, but our collection of pods as a whole is teaching people to be healers in their own right, and that's from a holistic standpoint. So I think that's kind of the mission statement here.

Speaker 1:

Truly so making this practical. I want to make this practical for people today. Um, yeah, and I'm just like breaking it down in my head. So how to make this practical?

Speaker 1:

I'd say my philosophy with the triad of health and this is my philosophy with just working with anybody what is statistically most relevant, what's most common, is also kind of the most obvious things. You know, when you hear someone's story, the most relevant details are the physical traumas, the chemical traumas, the emotional traumas. You know, and on the timeline, they're like this happened six months ago. I started to get this. It's like, well, what are all the traumas six months or before? And then they'll tell it to you. And a lot of times people like connect the dots. Right, you know, they have a feeling. They're like I think it had to do with that divorce I went through right, and you're like, well, that sounds relevant. You know we signed the divorce paper seven months ago. It's like, oh, that's important, that is important. You're telling me that it's important. You know it's important. Okay, this is part of the of the case, right?

Speaker 2:

So, putting it on a timeline, it's really yeah, we're going to say Jake, Well, that is really important because a lot of times people will be the most connected to, say, their physical traumas, where it's like I got in a car accident a year and a half ago and my neck hasn't been the same since, or my shoulder hasn't been the same since.

Speaker 2:

But we know, in like an 18 month standpoint the body already turns over, meaning like brand new muscle tissue, brand new connective tissue. Everything could easily be healed in that 18-month standpoint without doing any work. However, if you're still having a problem from a physical trauma, you and I know that it's often the state that you're in when an occurrence takes place that then creates an interference towards a healing process your body would otherwise naturally go through. So we do that all the time. When we're healing specific trauma, it's like all right, this happened a year and a half ago and my body hasn't recovered great, what was going on leading up to that experience? And we know it's. Oftentimes there's periods or occasions or maybe a whole season in someone's life where they're feeling alone or shameful or powerless, things like that, and you heal that experience and then the physical trauma, or that, say, the lingering effects of the physical trauma, resolve on their own.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely. I mean, yeah, absolutely what we're saying. Yeah, you treat any side of the triad, the whole thing will update, the whole thing will start to go into a healing mode. And because the body is so good at healing, we don't need to do 100% of the work up front in order for someone to heal. Even just doing 5%, 10%, 20% can be enough momentum where now the person is getting better and better and better and completely resolves. Completely resolves, yes.

Speaker 1:

But you know, like I'm thinking about a person who came in yesterday and I'm not going to share all the details because it's a minor, but they had time at the hospital. The hospital people couldn't make it better. They got pressured into like a surgery and all the family members were getting involved and they all had opinions about what should happen. This minor maybe can't understand all the emotional trauma that was happening at the time. Um, and it started in covid and then they got diagnosed with covid, but maybe they didn't really have covid because it was at the height of COVID stuff. So a lot of stuff happened that definitely was traumatic. I mean, you have the surgery itself, which is a physical trauma. You have all this mental, emotional pressure. You have chemical infection. Maybe perhaps they're wrapped in a lot of different traumas here and a lot of different traumas here. And so the protocol we have because they've done a lot of things right they're on like 10 supplements right now and they've gone to I'm like the fifth physical practitioner that they've been to and they've already been doing a lot of stuff and they go to a lot of other therapists. So it's like where do I fit into the piece? Well, I want to do all three and there are signs that this person still has chronic infection. There are signs that this person has lots of toxicity and the supplements that they're currently on aren't going to cut it. So I put them on some more and we did really good physical corrections Again, I'm keeping a lot of the details out and then I did some mental, emotional work in it. You know I had her go through the whole situation in the hospital and everything. So just on day one we touched it on all three sides of it and she's a kid, she's going to get excellent results. I expect within three weeks that it's like 50% better, you know, if not 70% better, I mean it could be most of the way there. So, but you know, this is just. I wanted to give people a breakdown of some of the you know the background of what we're thinking clinically, because I hope that that's helpful and practical for others. We can obviously spend a lot of time on going through these things, but I wanted to give people just an overview.

Speaker 1:

It's like, okay, when it comes to your body and health, the biggest things that have happened to you are probably still the most relevant and important. Do you know what I mean? It's like like we're saying, hey, you got, you fell. I had one person who fell off a five-story building, right. It's like that's relevant man, that is, and that's not what they brought up when they came in. I was like I was feeling their spine and I'm like, dude, something's gone, man. I'm like are you sure? You know? I have this part of my paperwork like, did you ever have you know a big accident or injury? And they said no and I'm like are you sure about that? And they're like oh, I forgot, I fell off a five-story building. And I'm like how did you forget that?

Speaker 2:

that's important yeah, I've had that go blank before and then after an evaluation I'm like no, they definitely something went on. And so you dig deeper in the history and it's like, oh, when I was growing up I I used to jump horses. Oh, ever been thrown off a horse and been injured and it was like, oh yeah, many times. But it was so normalized because of her hobby, of course, she just kind of breezed over that. But multiple traumas, she just didn't think about it. All right, I got one from yesterday, random, just kind of weird knee pain Like deep in the knee and no real injury to describe.

Speaker 2:

In my evaluation what we were discovering is it was a resistance, like a stubbornness, to stepping into the future. She's getting out of a long-term relationship, plans to move state, plans to start another career in that new state, and she's been thinking about this, but her life hasn't changed at all, even though she's been future forecasting. But her life hasn't changed at all, even though she's been future forecasting. But her life's not different than it was six months ago. All these future plans, but she hasn't stepped into it yet. So in a session we can bring that conflict to the surface, like out of the body into the surface, we're processing it, we're facing it, we're embracing the experience that we're going through, and the knee pain didn't need to exist anymore, so it didn't.

Speaker 1:

Didn't do anything physical. How about that? Yeah, there you have it. Folks that doesn't. Yeah, there you have it. I'd say the mental-emotional is because of what we are as physical. You know, we're like the spiritual beings having a physical experience.

Speaker 2:

I'd say the mental mental, emotional is a strong component of everything that's happening yeah, dr mt mortar jr estimated like 90 of all dysfunction in the body can be traced down to a mental, emotional. Uh, start, that seems to be about right.

Speaker 1:

You know, stress and inflammation are basically like the two things research always points to. It's like it's stress and inflammation. Well, stress, all stress, is a matter of perspective. At the end of the day, one one man's that's the saying. One man's meat's another man's what's the saying One man's meat is another man's poison. Yeah, it's a matter of perspective and how you see yourself and all this kind of stuff. So a lot of the stress buildup in our life, in our body, it's like this mental, emotional perspective that's happening and as it updates, you could undo all the stress, all the effects of the stress.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, here's like the exercise to do when it comes to like is this thing distressing to me, like destructive, damaging stress in my life, or is it an invitation to level up kind of stress? And Dr Hawkins, what he says is it comes down to want versus don't want. Is it comes down to want versus don't want? So he used the example of loud music. If you're at a concert or you're on a road trip with your best bud, with the radio turned up, loud music is a source of joy. But if you're in a place where you don't want loud music, it's very distressing. It's just loud music either way, the difference being you want it or you don't want it.

Speaker 2:

So one of the secrets, if you could do this, is you find yourself experiencing stress.

Speaker 2:

If you can honestly convince yourself that you want it, it can become very energizing. And you do kind of have to be honest, because you can kind of lie to your observer self but you can't really lie to your body. So you have to bridge the gap. So, like me, for example, late night with like a teething baby I think that's why my voice is like an octave lower, because it was a long one and it's easy to find yourself in a place, feeling victimized by that circumstance, like woe is me, life is really hard and this baby's keeping me from sleeping or being peaceful, and in that case you will find yourself a very exhausted parent. However, if you can convince yourself that you do want this and so, for example, I do want a family, which means I want babies, which means I want teething babies, which means I'm exactly in a place that I asked for. So, instead of like woe is me in the middle of the night, I get to feel like I'm blessed.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

And then also being inspired or invited into, you know, being a better person, a better man, better father, by saying yes to the challenge instead of saying no, being in resistance and then being victimized by it yeah, as soon as you let go of the resistance you'll notice majority of symptoms just clear up immediately or they don't matter anymore.

Speaker 1:

You know, it's like, yeah, I noticed that with my ear infection I had recently. It's like as soon as I got rid of the resistance it's like it was still there, but you know it was a 10 out of 10. And then when I had let go of the resistance it was maybe like a 3 out of 10. But I didn't really care that it was there anymore. You know, at the same time it was just like well, I can't hear out of that ear, but you know, maybe Like well, I can't hear out of that ear, but you know, maybe I didn't really want to listen to all these people's complaints anyways.

Speaker 2:

Oh, exactly. So sometimes the symptoms are simply teaching you something. They're giving you information from your subconscious, in your body, into your conscious mind, so you can start making a different choice Sometimes you don't want to remove the symptoms right away.

Speaker 1:

What you really want is to learn from the symptom, totally right. Okay, this is like a part one. We're going to need a part two, but hopefully this is a nice teaser for everybody and if you guys have questions, please fire them in as we post in any one of these channels. If people write a question in the comment area, we will get to that. We'll respond to that.

Speaker 2:

Well, I am intrigued, looking forward to part two.

Speaker 1:

Okay. Well, I hope everyone has a great week and tune in next time.

Speaker 2:

Love you guys.