What's Really Behind That Pain You Can't Explain?

We explore the Triad of Health concept as a holistic framework for understanding the root causes of health issues and accessing healing. This fundamental approach examines how structure (physical aspects), biochemistry (nutrition and chemical processes), and mental-emotional factors all contribute to both symptoms and healing.

• The Triad of Health represents structure, biochemistry, and mental-emotional aspects that influence every health condition
• Any symptom can be effectively addressed from one or more sides of this triangle
• Significant physical traumas often remain unresolved due to mental-emotional factors present during the incident
• Healing occurs more completely when addressing multiple aspects of the triad
• Dr. MTM Morter Jr. estimated approximately 90% of body dysfunction traces back to mental-emotional origins
• Resistance to experiences causes more suffering than the experiences themselves
• Transforming "don't want" into "want" can convert destructive stress into energizing stress
• Symptoms often serve as messengers from the subconscious, providing valuable information
• Learning from symptoms can be more valuable than immediately eliminating them

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Transcript

Welcome and Listener Appreciation

Speaker 1 0:14

it's us again , the two brothers that you guys happen to listen to , I suppose . Suppose we were talking about health and we're happy that you're back listening to us . It pleases us greatly . You know , we're not sponsored by anyone except ourselves and our families , I guess you could say and it's nice to know that people are listening to this . It takes a lot of effort , obviously . So thanks for doing that and we would love to earn your subscription . Like and share us , comment , ask questions . All of those things are nice for us . We like engagement and huge shout out to whoever's listening to us from Frankfurt , germany .

Speaker 2 1:13

Yeah , we've got a little fan base there , don't we ?

Speaker 1 1:16

We do somehow . So , hey , I don't know a whole lot of things to say in German , but obviously they understand English . So thank you , danke schön . So today we're going to get right to it . That's okay with you , jake . It's okay , yeah .

Speaker 2 1:38

Okay , just jump right in .

Speaker 1 1:41

So you know a lot of times the topics . How do we pick the topics ? It's just stuff that's been coming up in the week and you know people having real questions in our practices and then Jake and I maybe talk about it for a minute before we start and then there it goes

Understanding the Triad of Health

Speaker 1 2:01

yeah .

Speaker 1 2:01

So this week I've been getting a lot of one particular thing and it's come to my attention that maybe people don't understand it as well as I would like them to , and this is a great time to kind of help their understanding with it and that is the triad of health . I didn't come up with this word , word triad of health , this phrase I think George Goodhart came up with it from Applied Kinesiology . But what does the triad of health represent ? It's kind of an understanding of diagnostic what's really going on behind . Any one symptom that a person's presenting with can be explained with the triad of health , and that's to say it's not just one thing , otherwise it would be the mono . I don't know something like that .

Speaker 1 3:01

The triad of health is a triangle that represents structure , like the physical aspect of someone's health , biochemical , which is , you know , like nutrition and you know hormones and all this kind of biochemistry happening in the body than the mental-emotional . And it's to say , you know , this triangle might be like different shapes represented for each symptom , right , it's like maybe I don't know all the different types of triangles that exist out there , but isosceles or you know these other shapes of triangle Maybe , to represent that structure is maybe a little bit more important than this , because you had a physical trauma , but everything is always represented in it . Right , it's always represented wait .

Speaker 1 3:52

So far , we've only you've presented to us a dyad so far oh , mental , emotional is the third , right so , and then you know , right , so , and then you know you well , there's . You can break any one of those down into subsections , but just to keep it , the triad . So a lot of times people come in and they're like let's just go with a pain symptom . They're like oh , my hurts my ankle's been bothering me every time . It's not bad all day long , but you know , I'm noticing it . I'd like it to get helped . I don't know if I need surgery . You know , these are the kinds of things people say when they come into me and because there's not a whole lot of options for them , otherwise , they're just like I have this chronic pain . I don't know if I'm bone on bone , right . I don't know if I'm bone on bone , right .

Speaker 1 4:42

These are the things people tell me . I'm sure you hear some of that stuff , jake . Oh , yeah , for sure . And so they're like what happened ? I didn't like sprain my ankle and it's like well , that is interesting . Why do you have this pain ? We don't know of a physical trauma that happened to you , but likely there's still physical aspects of this pain , right ? Some tissues injured perhaps , and you're having this pain . Well , we got to investigate from the triad and oftentimes you only really need to treat one side of the triad to have the person healed , because people are just so good at healing right . You could just focus in on one right . You could go to a functional medicine doctor who just practices like nutrition and be like my ankle hurts . I'm sure they give you a pretty solid remedy that maybe the pain would go away and you go back to normal function , right , yeah ?

Speaker 2 5:43

or a remedy that promotes healing pain would go away and and you go back to normal function , right , yeah , or a remedy that promotes healing yeah yeah , so not necessarily reduction of a symptom of pain , because there's a lot of things that , uh say , a nutritionist can do as far as like managing inflammation ,

Treating From Multiple Angles

Speaker 2 6:00

but they can also do things that stimulate the healing response in the body 100% .

Speaker 1 6:09

So that's an option . But you could go to a rolfer and they could just do really hard physical work on your ankle and you probably would feel better , right ? So there's different ways of approaching this , and it's not because it's not to say , hey , look , it's not one or the other . It's to always say it's some combination of all three , no matter what .

Speaker 1 6:39

I have had people who had a pain like this and then they had some kind of like inner emotional revelation about something , and then the pain goes away and like I hadn't even treated them , they just told me this story , right , we hadn't done anything specifically , but they had some kind of breakthrough in their life .

Speaker 1 7:00

And then a pain or symptom like they have digestive issues or whatever it might be , and then a pain or symptom like they have digestive issues or whatever it might be , and then that goes away . Right To say that the emotional stress and that all had a factor as well , and so you can treat any one symptom from one of these angles . But sometimes it's best to do two or three angles and I think for maybe the people who have it the worst you need to . It's necessary , right ? If you have somebody , this happens , right ? I get a lot of people who and Jake gets these people who they say quote unquote . They've been to everyone and they have this problem right . So they've been working at multiple sides of the triad of health and yet the problem has not gone away .

Speaker 2 7:53

Could you say , Nick , that that is in some way a definition of holistic health ? I ?

Speaker 1 8:00

would . I would say that Okay .

Speaker 2 8:05

Right , because what we're describing some of these specialists might be naturalistic , meaning they're using natural techniques . You mentioned rolfing , you mentioned nutrition . That'd be naturalistic , but not necessarily holistic .

Speaker 1 8:25

Yeah , and the waters have gotten a little bit muddied because a lot of people think that they are holistic . They don't have an understanding that there's something more holistic than what they think of . I see some of these physical , maybe more physically based , like a rolfer , for instance , very physically based , and then they go to a seminar that's like trauma informed , and so now they're putting on their you know website or their business card that they're trauma informed , you know specialist , and yet they're not really doing any like mental , emotional techniques . They're just kind of holding space for some . I'm not saying that's a bad thing , I think that's a great thing , but that's not , that's still not very holistic in their treatment .

Speaker 2 9:16

Agreed ? Yeah , because you can be informed about a lot of things , but that doesn't mean you'd be useful in that category . Like I'm informed on geopolitics , I wouldn't put myself in charge of anything important .

Speaker 1 9:32

Geopolitical base yeah , yeah , yeah , I wouldn't know what to do if they gave me the control . Yeah , um , so , on that note , yeah , um , dealing with the whole thing and we can talk about this . I mean , obviously , we talk about a lot of these different things a lot of the time . It's kind of what this podcast is . I mean , we have over 100 episodes . It's amazing . We still have stuff to talk about .

Speaker 2 10:06

Oh , it's a deep well , yeah , because I think the essence of what we're doing here is we're teaching people how to be healers in their own right . So I think sometimes it's a sillier

Trauma Timeline and Healing

Speaker 2 10:20

episode , sometimes it's very practical , sometimes it's very practical , sometimes it's very philosophical , but our collection of pods as a whole is teaching people to be healers in their own right , and that's from a holistic standpoint . So I think that's kind of the mission statement here .

Speaker 1 10:39

Truly so making this practical . I want to make this practical for people today . Um , yeah , and I'm just like breaking it down in my head . So how to make this practical ?

Speaker 1 10:56

I'd say my philosophy with the triad of health and this is my philosophy with just working with anybody what is statistically most relevant , what's most common , is also kind of the most obvious things . You know , when you hear someone's story , the most relevant details are the physical traumas , the chemical traumas , the emotional traumas . You know , and on the timeline , they're like this happened six months ago . I started to get this . It's like , well , what are all the traumas six months or before ? And then they'll tell it to you . And a lot of times people like connect the dots . Right , you know , they have a feeling . They're like I think it had to do with that divorce I went through right , and you're like , well , that sounds relevant . You know we signed the divorce paper seven months ago . It's like , oh , that's important , that is important . You're telling me that it's important . You know it's important . Okay , this is part of the of the case , right ?

Speaker 2 12:18

So , putting it on a timeline , it's really yeah , we're going to say Jake , Well , that is really important because a lot of times people will be the most connected to , say , their physical traumas , where it's like I got in a car accident a year and a half ago and my neck hasn't been the same since , or my shoulder hasn't been the same since .

Speaker 2 12:40

But we know , in like an 18 month standpoint the body already turns over , meaning like brand new muscle tissue , brand new connective tissue . Everything could easily be healed in that 18-month standpoint without doing any work . However , if you're still having a problem from a physical trauma , you and I know that it's often the state that you're in when an occurrence takes place that then creates an interference towards a healing process your body would otherwise naturally go through . So we do that all the time . When we're healing specific trauma , it's like all right , this happened a year and a half ago and my body hasn't recovered great , what was going on leading up to that experience ? And we know it's . Oftentimes there's periods or occasions or maybe a whole season in someone's life where they're feeling alone or shameful or powerless , things like that , and you heal that experience and then the physical trauma , or that , say , the lingering effects of the physical trauma , resolve on their own .

Speaker 1 13:57

Absolutely . I mean , yeah , absolutely what we're saying . Yeah , you treat any side of the triad , the whole thing will update , the whole thing will start to go into a healing mode . And because the body is so good at healing , we don't need to do 100% of the work up front in order for someone to heal . Even just doing 5% , 10% , 20% can be enough momentum where now the person is getting better and better and better and completely resolves . Completely resolves , yes .

Speaker 1 14:38

But you know , like I'm thinking about a person who came in yesterday and I'm not going to share all the details because it's a minor , but they had time at the hospital . The hospital people couldn't make it better . They got pressured into like a surgery and all the family members were getting involved and they all had opinions about what should happen . This minor maybe can't understand all the emotional trauma that was happening at the time . Um , and it started in covid and then they got diagnosed with covid , but maybe they didn't really have covid because it was at the height of COVID stuff . So a lot of stuff happened that definitely was traumatic . I mean , you have the surgery itself , which is a physical trauma . You have all this mental , emotional pressure . You have chemical infection . Maybe perhaps they're wrapped in a lot of different traumas here and a lot of different traumas here . And so the protocol we have because they've done a lot of things right they're on like 10 supplements right now and they've gone to I'm like the fifth physical practitioner that they've been to and they've already been doing a lot of stuff and they go to a lot of other therapists . So it's like where do I fit into the piece ? Well , I want to do all three and there are signs that this person still has chronic infection . There are signs that this person has lots of toxicity and the supplements that they're currently on aren't going to cut it . So I put them on some more and we did really good physical corrections Again , I'm keeping a lot of the details out and then I did some mental , emotional work in it . You know I had her go through the whole situation in the hospital and everything . So just on day one we touched it on all three sides of it and she's a kid , she's going to get excellent results . I expect within three weeks that it's like 50% better , you know , if not 70% better , I mean it could be most of the way there . So , but you know , this is just . I wanted to give people a breakdown of some of the you know the background of what we're thinking clinically , because I hope that that's helpful and practical for others . We can obviously spend a lot of time on going through these things , but I wanted to give people just an overview .

Speaker 1 17:34

It's like , okay , when it comes to

Mental-Emotional Components of Health

Speaker 1 17:38

your body and health , the biggest things that have happened to you are probably still the most relevant and important . Do you know what I mean ? It's like like we're saying , hey , you got , you fell . I had one person who fell off a five-story building , right . It's like that's relevant man , that is , and that's not what they brought up when they came in . I was like I was feeling their spine and I'm like , dude , something's gone , man . I'm like are you sure ? You know ? I have this part of my paperwork like , did you ever have you know a big accident or injury ? And they said no and I'm like are you sure about that ? And they're like oh , I forgot , I fell off a five-story building . And I'm like how did you forget that ?

Speaker 2 18:20

that's important yeah , I've had that go blank before and then after an evaluation I'm like no , they definitely something went on . And so you dig deeper in the history and it's like , oh , when I was growing up I I used to jump horses . Oh , ever been thrown off a horse and been injured and it was like , oh yeah , many times . But it was so normalized because of her hobby , of course , she just kind of breezed over that . But multiple traumas , she just didn't think about it . All right , I got one from yesterday , random , just kind of weird knee pain Like deep in the knee and no real injury to describe .

Speaker 2 19:07

In my evaluation what we were discovering is it was a resistance , like a stubbornness , to stepping into the future . She's getting out of a long-term relationship , plans to move state , plans to start another career in that new state , and she's been thinking about this , but her life hasn't changed at all , even though she's been future forecasting . But her life hasn't changed at all , even though she's been future forecasting . But her life's not different than it was six months ago . All these future plans , but she hasn't stepped into it yet . So in a session we can bring that conflict to the surface , like out of the body into the surface , we're processing it , we're facing it , we're embracing the experience that we're going through , and the knee pain didn't need to exist anymore , so it didn't .

Speaker 1 20:04

Didn't do anything physical . How about that ? Yeah , there you have it . Folks that doesn't . Yeah , there you have it . I'd say the mental-emotional is because of what we are as physical . You know , we're like the spiritual beings having a physical experience .

Speaker 2 20:28

I'd say the mental mental , emotional is a strong component of everything that's happening yeah , dr mt mortar jr estimated like 90 of all dysfunction in the body can be traced down to a mental , emotional . Uh , start , that seems to be about right .

Speaker 1 20:49

You know , stress and inflammation are basically like the two things research always points to . It's like it's stress and inflammation . Well , stress , all stress , is a matter of perspective . At the end of the day , one one man's that's the saying . One man's meat's another man's what's the saying One man's meat is another man's poison . Yeah , it's a matter of perspective and how you see yourself and all this kind of stuff . So a lot of the stress buildup in our life , in our body , it's like this mental , emotional perspective that's happening and as it updates , you could undo all the stress , all the effects of the stress .

Speaker 2 21:30

Yeah , here's like the exercise to do when it comes to like is this thing distressing to me , like destructive , damaging stress in my life , or is it an invitation to level up kind of stress ? And Dr Hawkins , what he says is it comes down to want versus don't want . Is it comes down to want versus don't want ? So he used the example of loud music . If you're at a concert or you're on a road trip with your best bud , with the radio turned up , loud music is a source of joy . But if you're in a place where you don't want loud music , it's

Transforming Stress Through Perspective

Speaker 2 22:07

very distressing . It's just loud music either way , the difference being you want it or you don't want it .

Speaker 2 22:13

So one of the secrets , if you could do this , is you find yourself experiencing stress .

Speaker 2 22:27

If you can honestly convince yourself that you want it , it can become very energizing . And you do kind of have to be honest , because you can kind of lie to your observer self but you can't really lie to your body . So you have to bridge the gap . So , like me , for example , late night with like a teething baby I think that's why my voice is like an octave lower , because it was a long one and it's easy to find yourself in a place , feeling victimized by that circumstance , like woe is me , life is really hard and this baby's keeping me from sleeping or being peaceful , and in that case you will find yourself a very exhausted parent . However , if you can convince yourself that you do want this and so , for example , I do want a family , which means I want babies , which means I want teething babies , which means I'm exactly in a place that I asked for . So , instead of like woe is me in the middle of the night , I get to feel like I'm blessed .

Speaker 1 23:35

Yeah .

Speaker 2 23:36

And then also being inspired or invited into , you know , being a better person , a better man , better father , by saying yes to the challenge instead of saying no , being in resistance and then being victimized by it yeah , as soon as you let go of the resistance you'll notice majority of symptoms just clear up immediately or they don't matter anymore .

Speaker 1 24:03

You know , it's like , yeah , I noticed that with my ear infection I had recently . It's like as soon as I got rid of the resistance it's like it was still there , but you know it was a 10 out of 10 . And then when I had let go of the resistance it was maybe like a 3 out of 10 . But I didn't really care that it was there anymore . You know , at the same time it was just like well , I can't hear out of that ear , but you know , maybe Like well , I can't hear out of that ear , but you know , maybe I didn't really want to listen to all these people's complaints anyways .

Speaker 2 24:35

Oh , exactly . So sometimes the symptoms are simply teaching you something . They're giving you information from your subconscious , in your body , into your conscious mind , so you can start making a different choice Sometimes you don't want to remove the symptoms right away .

Speaker 1 25:00

What you really want is to learn from the symptom , totally right . Okay , this is like a part

Closing and Part Two Preview

Speaker 1 25:03

one . We're going to need a part two , but hopefully this is a nice teaser for everybody and if you guys have questions , please fire them in as we post in any one of these channels . If people write a question in the comment area , we will get to that . We'll respond to that .

Speaker 2 25:18

Well , I am intrigued , looking forward to part two .

Speaker 1 25:21

Okay . Well , I hope everyone has a great week and tune in next time .

Speaker 2 25:27

Love you guys .