Embracing Your Authentic Self: Navigating Careers and Cultures

In the final episode of Season 8 of The Student Guide, join Jeffrey as he sits down with Ylva, an MFL teacher and professional dancer, to discuss the importance of authenticity, navigating multiple cultures, and balancing dual careers. Ylva shares her personal journey across different continents, how her diverse cultural background shapes her creativity, and the significance of accepting progress in both personal and professional life. Tune in for an inspiring conversation on embracing all facets of yourself without shrinking, and learn practical tips on maintaining structure and balance between careers.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Embracing Authenticity
• 0:48 Introduction to The Student Guide
• 1:18 Meet Ylva: Teacher and Dancer
• 1:45 Favourite Words and Languages
• 4:23 Learning About Yourself
• 7:39 Identity Across Continents
• 19:01 Dancing Between Disciplines
• 33:47 Treasure Talks: Rosemary Beads
• 40:12 Understanding Prayers and Saints
• 40:47 Reflecting on Personal Spiritual Items
• 43:55 The Importance of Structure in Creativity
• 46:35 Advice for Those in Transition
• 52:14 Starting a Podcast: Pros and Cons
• 1:04:17 Managing Time as a Creative
• 1:10:11 Final Thoughts and Takeaways

Transcript

That's what authenticity comes in. Mm-hmm. Which is what I was talking about, the stop. 

Yep. 

That's when you really start to say, cool, let my light shine bright, loud. Do not be afraid to be loud. 

Okay? 

Don't be afraid to be loud with that light, because when I'm telling you the amount of time I am underestimated because I was quiet, because I chose to be.

Uh, kind. Nice heart. No. Yeah. With a heart. And I'm not saying to be mean, rude, or whatever. No. Do not confuse those two things. Mm-hmm. But be loud and really be true to you without necessarily wanting to fit in the box.

So, hello everyone. Hope you're doing well. Hope you're gonna after yourselves. Welcome to another episode of The Student Guide. Uh, welcome to the final episode of Season eight of the Student Guide. Yes. Uh, our guest didn't know this, but she is the last guest to appear for season eight of the Student Guide.

Um, it's been a great journey and we thought we'd. End of this season with an incredible person doing incredible work. Uh, as you can see, our setup is a bit different. We've got called new microphones. Uh, we have, we'll be discussing a bit about that towards the end. But, uh, as you know, I don't like doing introductions.

So instead I'm gonna ask for our guest to introduce themselves. Could we please know a bit more about you and what you do? 

Yes. So, hello everyone. My name is Ulva and uh, I am a MFL teacher. So it's basically a language teacher for secondary school and I'm also a professional dancer, so, yeah. 

Thank you. Um, and we will be finding more about your journey, uh, very shortly.

Um, it's not one of the questions here, and it's not the question for 44 words. I will get into what that is in just a moment. But a, a question that came to mind, what's your favorite? I won't ask you what your favorite language is, 'cause I feel like that's just like a basic thing, but instead I'll ask you, what's your favorite word in a language?

It can be any. So you can be like, it's not my favorite language, but I love this word. 

Okay. 

Um. 

To be honest, my favorite word in French and it comes out at the worst time ever. Yeah. I apologize in advance. It's Peter. I never get understand it's bad. I will literally be going, going like, all right, now do, and then as soon as I get something, maybe it's a email or something and I'm like, and it just, it's like whisper my second one.

Yeah. 

Which now I do say a lot is basically ya. 

Okay. 

Ya is uh, it's in nhi and NHI is one of the languages that you do speak at home in Ivory Coast. Mm-hmm. N is a mix of French and also all of the 60 other languages that we do have. Wow. So it's native to the country. 

Mm-hmm. 

It is French but is I guess a broken French.

I don't really like to use that term because you know, it is our own as well, but yeah. That's how I say so it's called. 

Wow. 

So yeah, and I said it to the point where like, it's, it's so used people, so used to me saying it, it's that bad. Even people that, you know, don't speak French now, and I've heard with like, they'll say something, you use your effort for anything.

Yeah. So for example, if you were to say to me, oh yeah, by the way, um, can we meet on Tuesday instead instead of, you know, Thursday? Because on Thursday I do have an appointment. I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah. For you. So it's like you can, yeah, yeah. I use it for everything. It's so bad. It's so bad. But yeah, 

honestly, thank you for that.

And, uh, you've been now about to, if, if you wanted, uh, more languages in your repertoire. Uh, more than the, uh, you know, it's funny you're talking about like broken languages. 'cause I've said that like, this is again not linked to what we're talking about today, but I've said, um, I've stopped learning Spanish on RI lingo because, um, like I can't have a conversation.

What am I gonna say? Like. I like, like I like traveling to, to Spain, and then they're asking about other stuff, and I'm like, yeah. Is it, yes. I like, I I eat apples too. Um, so yeah, so I've, I've, I've, I've left, uh, left that I've left that, um, good. Instead, I, I, without cussing Duolingo, I have actually started to use it to instead learn chess.

There you go. 

So there are some advantages to it. Um, oh, good. 

You're still good. You still on the map? You can still, 

you can still learn. He's still on 

the map. 

Um, but we're gonna go to our first official segment, which is 44 questions brought by the amazing Amanda from 44 words. Okay. Uh, and Amanda's question for you is, 

what is 

something you have recently learned about yourself?

Oh my God. I'm mother. We going to deep in it could have been soft. Man. Girl, girl. Okay. Right. Let's be very honest. I think I'm joking. Something that I've learned about myself recently is that I, I struggle with accepting progress. I know it sounds so off, but, um, during my training to become a teacher, the whole, the main thing that I've understood is my consistency that I liked a lot of, and also, um, determination I do have that.

However, persistency, I shared something else that I also do have, but it was difficult. 

Mm-hmm. 

I struggle to accept progress because when my mentor will say to me, you're doing good, do this, change this for the next session. But don't forget to do what I've told you to do because this one is good. 

Okay. 

In my brain, this is how we register.

This is good. Cool. Let me keep this, let me do this. Right. But he also said, I need to do that. So the whole positive thing that he said, don't forget to do this. Yeah, he's in the bin now. Wow. And I'm thinking, I need to change this because he said I need to change this. And throughout the, um, throughout the year, the person that helped me understand a lot and I guess, um, made me be aware of the aspect of myself.

Mm. 

He's my beautiful partner. Nice. Because it's so funny, he sat me down one day and he said, you need to understand that you are progressing, man. And I was like, oh. I was like, oh god. Okay. I guess. And then literally, okay. And he was like, unless you don't accept it, my words are just gibberish. And I was like, stop hitting me mind.

Just, just stop. So then I think I clocked it when it's like one month before I finished my, um, my training and I went like, oh my God. It's true, it's true. I don't like accepting progress, but something that is bad with it. And the downside is that because I did not see the aspect of me and I struggle with accepting progress, I will then regress.

Regress. Can you see that? 

Yeah. Yeah. Regress. 

Yeah. I would then regress and the way I would regress will be. By not seeing the positive things and only focusing on the negative. 

Mm. 

Which means I will not move forward. I will go backwards or step back. One step back. I know. It's hilarious, isn't it? 

No. 

I realized that like literally at the start of this year, I said, no, this year we're not.

We're Finn do regress at the No, I left. I like no yet. Mm. So yeah. 

Wow. 

That's what I told myself to 

do. To be fair, I mean, when this episode out, we have a bit of backlog. So this won't come out in January, but we are recording this in the new year. That's why I'm not wearing a Christmas jump in this episode, but for the last two I have been um, you don't know about it honestly, but I feel like that's a good way to start the year to to know that about yourself.

'cause then you're like 

set. I 

guess that for the rest of you. Yeah. 

We'll see how the years go though. I'm gonna message halfway through and let you know how's journey going. Mm. We'll see. 

But let's get started with the first official question that we've got for you. Yes. Uh, and this is about essentially identity across continents like that, which.

Applies both, not just to your, like personal life Yes. But to your artistry as well. So you've kind of hinted, well you've mentioned already, you know, uh, you've grow, you were growing up. Um, ive already in Swedish. Yes. So how did this shape how you, this is, this is a, this is, this is a big question to start.

Yeah. How did it shape how you see yourself 

today? 

No, I don't. 

Yay. 

Like yourself. You could say today you could say like your younger version. Yeah. Okay. You could say like, across your whole life. 

Okay. 

Um, how has it shaped how you see your creativity? 

Who you, okay. Okay. 

And how has it, how have, how has it shaped the way that you move in the spaces that you are a part of?

So obviously you've got dance, you've also got your teaching as well. Um, see that's like a three part question. Yeah. Can we, 

can we start with part one? See, is it teaching me? Sorry, 

I'm scaffolding. No, no, no. It's, it's, to be fair, um, that's why sometimes I'm like, I'm glad I'm on this side because I, I, I don't have to answer these questions sometimes.

Um, so let's start with how it shaped how you see yourself. 

Okay. Yes. So, in general, how I shape myself, I'm not done shaping myself. Mm-hmm. I really want to say that I'm not done. Um, so far I'm good with where I am. 

Okay. 

It has moving or being, I guess a third kid country, that's the term that they do use.

Mm-hmm. Sorry. It's, um, basically I've lived, I think, um, six to eight years in each country so far. 

Wow. 

So I'm born in France. 

Okay. 

Then moved to Ivory Coast at the age of six, back home. 'cause for me it's home two, sorry, I have to switch it because I know the people they're gonna watch.

Am I gonna have to put a French, like 

Yeah. Yeah. So

I'm gonna explain you the joke. Don't, it's gonna make sense. So basically, uh, six moved to, uh, kava and then due to the Civil War, I had to go away and I was 11 when I went away. And then I went to Sweden. So from 11 to then, that's a long time From 11 to then. Yeah. 18. 

Wow. 

I was then, and then 18 I came here.

Wow. 

And I think throughout all of those countries, one thing that I did understand is that I understand, um, social, I have gained a lot of perspective when it comes to social context. 

Mm. 

Being in three different countries from three different continents. The reason I'm saying continent is because I think genuinely that UK is one continent.

I'm just saying. But anyway,

I, yeah. Got to understand a lot how people work. I'm not an expert. Again, do not attack me because then people now those days be out here trying to attack. Yeah. Stand in your corner, but I've got to understand, and it shaped, I think the, it's shaping because it's still ongoing. It's shaping the woman that I am right now and who I wanna be.

I think it was vague, but I hope it makes sense. No, that makes sense. Yeah. 

That's 

the first part. That's the first part. 

Okay. How is it? 

He's been the teacher. 

Me. Right. 

I'm like, 0.1. 

Point one. Alright. Point two. How has it shaped your creativity? That's smoke. 

Oh, that, yeah. It's a journey. Okay. When I say the roller, see that rollercoaster that makes you go, yeah, that's exactly how it shaped my creativity.

Because 

what, first of all, when it comes to dancing, I need to say this 'cause this is gonna be hilarious. The first style of dance for me said, oh wow. I wanna do it. It is hip-hop. Now I'm talking about hip-hop, old school. I'm talking about Missy Elliot. 

Okay. 

Talk about lil. Talk about Snoop Doggy dog. 

Okay.

All of you see all of them videos that we know that this generation, now, those days you don't know and honestly be ashamed of yourself. I'm joking, but all of the songs, yeah, they shaved my whole perspective on how I, I was just so, I was so mesmerized when I saw Mis Elliot doing them my first clip, lose Control, that song to this Day Day, I love that song.

My Life And like I Was Full when that clip came out and I was like watching, I was like, I wanna her and I was talking about, uh, Madison, I think the dancer that was in there who then was in Step Up. So I was like, I'm Ja. I be like, Madison still. So then I was dancing from there, right? Then I go to every coast.

We go home to KaVo. And then on my forehead, it was Title I am White. Now let me explain the context. At home I was called White or dancing like from Europe White because I was unaware at all and I did not know anything that has to do with Ally, which is the modern dance styles. Mm-hmm. Or traditional dance styles from home.

Mm-hmm. 

So 

I was white for my forehead, but because I was so passionate about dance. I then became, I said, no. You see, all of you say, well, I'm gonna show you. The more I worry than you are

Jeffrey. I dance for my life. 

Okay? 

Like I dance for my life. Okay. You see I them weddings where people money. I got Adam money for what? You see all my, because of the something I'm like, oh my gosh, you just arrived. I'm just driving. Take money. I dunno what you doing. She might, so yeah, in the family I was just like dancing all the time.

Yeah, 

all the time. All the time. Wow. And I fell in love and that's why I fell in love with certain artists. Like obviously you have Nu you have, uh, blip all of them. And then you have Claire Ba Oh yeah, sorry, I'm getting so a flashback. So yeah. And then I think, uh, something changed, not something, let's be realistic.

The world changed me. It changed my perspective on my creativity. 

Okay. 

It broke me a little bit, I think now that I reflect on it. You know, nothing happens in vain as a spiritual woman. Mm-hmm. Um, God knows what he's doing. 

Mm-hmm. 

Very much know what he's doing. That part was needed. 

Mm-hmm. 

Because when I got to Sweden, I turned to films, music, video, and music and it became a therapy for me because when the war happened, the way I lived it, because I think for my family members that will see that, of course, beautiful podcast and video, and I can relate to it because they have also lived one aspect of the war being stuck in that country for, um, three months and living the worst of the worst, which I don't wanna talk about, and I never wish on people.

Mm-hmm. 

It changes you a lot. Mm-hmm. And it's funny because I think I have finally gotten to a point where I can speak about it without, I guess feeling off. Before I will feel, I will feel like the silence is louder than what it is. Did you see what I'm, yeah. 

I feel you saying, 

but now I feel like, no, it's a part of life.

Especially now that, and we know everything that's happening in the world, it needs to be addressed. So I am finally ready to fully address it. The way and the way this has shaped my creativity is when I landed in Sweden, I was a traumatized kid and I turned to films and music. Through that I learned Swedish.

Okay. 

Through that, I learned English because it's generally during those two first years in Sweden. I was hooked on films. 

Mm. 

And that helped me disconnect from the reality that, you know, I was no longer at home living my best life with both of my parents. I was no longer eating the foods that I enjoy or even thinking about growing up in my neighborhood, moca and Amazon, all of those things.

All of those things, it just took me away. 

Yeah. 

And that then made me understand that I do like films. I might want to become an actress because from a very young age, I was like, I wanna be an actress. I wanted to do comedy. And something maybe he's telling me, I don't know, guys, stop fucking me. Hello. Fuck you very much.

Anyways. And then I was like, mm, no, I can't leave. That dream is fine. And then, um, the dancing became even more stronger. Okay. Because I would dance at some. Silly hours. Mm-hmm. My mom is like, you can go tomorrow. And I'm like, no, I got dance now. So I would dance like Jeffrey. I would dance until midnight and my mom would be like their neighbors downstairs.

And I'm like, I don't care so bad. Anyway, so I would taste any style. 

Mm-hmm. 

And I'm a self-taught dancer, so I never really went to classes at home. Of course, in uh, vo I will have teachers that will teach me, but when it comes to, uh, all the hiphop styles or all the other styles that I knew the base and foundation of through videos.

Mm-hmm. 

So it's through videos because I was like, again, this disconnected me from reality. So then when I went to high school, the equivalent of high school here, which is I think the second part. Secondary. 

Mm-hmm. 

Here as a teacher, I do know that. Thank you very much. This is what I've learned. Don't come at me again.

Thanks. Sorry. I have to, I have to warn them people, because you know them people now, those days, 

comments, they, it is wild. I mean it. 

Thank 

you. So basically, uh, from there. I said, cool, I wanna do drama. 

Mm-hmm. 

And that's where the whole creative said Okay. It was always in me. But you know, through this whole little bubble journey exploded even more.

Mm-hmm. So I went into drama and I did everything that is creative related. Mm-hmm. I did the plays, I wrote my own plays and this and stuff. And I was like, and all my teachers were like, yeah, do it, do it, do it, do it. Motivation here, there and there. I opened up the first dance club in that school in Sweden.

Wow. And afterwards, when I graduated from high school, they even awarded me. I got an award, which is called the Best Friend of the School. 

Wow. 

And I never knew that those things existed, but it was not my attention to even. All I did was out of love. Mm-hmm. Because I was sad on the inside. I said, I don't wanna remain sad.

So I shaped a sort, a sort of image for myself. 

Mm-hmm. 

Yes. I did life to myself for a very long time, but it helped me overcome the sadness, I think, in a different way. 

Mm-hmm. 

On top of it as well. Spiritually, I had my mom too, I can think. This woman, she's my, my pillow. 

Yeah. 

And uh, so yeah, so she helped me through that as well.

So yeah, I can think this is what the creativity took me. Okay. And then now of course that, you know, I'm like on a woman stage. Yeah. Creativity just took me, wherever it took me, guys, this, I learned to work.

Do that. That part was nice. This one is like, no, it's not.

That's fair. That's fair. Um, I mean, you kind of answered the last part, but if you feel like you want to add a bit more to it, let me know. It was about the spaces that you move through. 

Yeah, I think I did. Yeah. You, 

yeah. Um, okay, we'll go to the next one, which is all about dancing between disciplines. 

Ooh.

So 

talk. 

Yes. 

So education and, 

yeah. And, and actually, and so, you know, you've mentioned you're a professional dancer, you are also a language teacher as well, sorry. And I think ultimately. I'm sure you agree. Those are two very different worlds. 

Yeah. 

Yeah. 

It's Essex, uh, uh, uh, and Heathrow. That's what they are.

So my question to you is, what made you decide not to choose between doing one or the other? Um, and how did these careers influence one another? 

I a minute. 

That's okay. 

This is my acting game. This is where you should be hiring me. I'm just saying. Thank you. Okay.

So I told myself this when I finished my, when I graduated Brunell, uh, my ba I was like, oh, my teacher kept telling me, 'cause my physical theater teacher, uh, Gavin Cher, he topnotch. Mm. And then there's also Royal roa. And then, uh, my teacher also when it comes to creative writing was Benjamin Z. Mm. So all of them three kept saying.

You are so inter interculturally, you know, diverse, like, how do you say English is not English? Sorry guys. You, you just. Like 

diverse. 

Yeah. Yeah. But it's like it's so grounded. 

Mm. 

The way I've spent my times in those countries. So grounded. And you see it in me, don't take it away. That's what is me. Because I struggled a lot at the time to understand, do I need to be this one?

Do I need to be this one? Do I need to be this one? Generally, and even sometimes in my poetry back then when I would practice and I would learn poetry, 

yeah. 

I would have. Poems in French, I'll have poems in Swedish. 

Wow. 

And I'll have poems in English. Mm. So then Benjamin Zaya, um,

I said, what she made for the old, already old already, which me 

but did together. I don't if I could do that. 

He said, but it's you. 

Mm. 

So put the three together. Mm. So I made the poem, ended up with the three together. 

Okay. 

And I said, oh my God. That meant opened up my eyes to really accepting who I was at that stage.

Mm. 

That's why I said, guys, you know that little phase? That's why I said Yeah, because it was that, it's that phase. And I'm like, I know who I am.

And he did. He was like, hello? And then on top of it, yeah, you had, uh, Gavin Cher that was like, hello, dancing. Don't you dare take it away. And then on and on final notes is Ana, Ana, she said, education. You know, you like that? 

Mm. 

Because I am such a milant when it comes to, uh, being prone to the black diaspora and accepting a beautiful blackness.

Mm. 

And a true self at the time. Oh my God, Jeffrey. I was, I was, I was, I was my own little Martha Luther King on the inside. 

Yeah. 

And the thing is, like those three teachers really just completed that little box. And they tick those boxes for me, I guess. 

Mm. 

Or help me tick them. 

Yeah. 

So, uh, the way it shaped, I guess, my way in wanting to, to, you know, take do a master.

Mm. 

When I finished that, I told myself, if I take dance on a serious level, mm. This is exactly how I was thinking. If I take downs on a serious level, I'm gonna lose the passion. 

Mm-hmm. 

I was always scared to lose the passion because I started with passion and I don't wanna lose that ever. And I've, I will see all of, you know, my friends and stuff sometimes compare myself of course.

And I'll be like, if I do that, I'm gonna lose it. 

Mm-hmm. 

If I then turn dance into, uh, no. If I put dance into the institute institution box, I'm losing it because then it becomes a job. It becomes work, it becomes, no, I don't want that. I want to just, I want it to be a relief, a relief. Release for me to, you know, express my emotions fully and not put it into a box.

That's how my brain worked at the time. Then I, because 

I was here in the UK and they decided to do BCA it, so when they did BCA it, I said, okay, go. I got fight for my film. I then, you know that no more. I was like. I gotta, I gotta find a job or something. So 

I said, lemme go. You know what I mean? What, what do I, what can I do?

Where can I, I, I worked at working Home First. I, that place was absolutely a no good for me, as much as I'm the most sociable person I ever see. Yeah. I couldn't do it. I did, I did not find myself growing on the creative basis. I did not find myself even being a leader or being a follower. I was like, no, I was fine every day.

So then I said, cool, let's try something else. And then I went into teaching. 

Okay. 

But I started as a teaching assistant. Now, one thing that I did not understand is when you do teaching assistant here in the UK and in London, they will send you to Special needs school, my beautiful babies. And honestly, I went there and I was like, I love it.

Mm-hmm. 

Most of the responses that you get from people that do, do go to, uh, and work with special needs. Um, children is, it's tough. It's hard, you know, I don't like it. And the needs are just so highly demanding stuff. Me, I went in, I said, Nope. I like it. 

Mm. 

I just do. It's my sauce. I like it. And then honestly, in my head, I was like, hello, if you have the patience to be here, mm.

Disappear because most important, what is the point? So for me, I was like, no, they're my babies. I like it. 

Yeah. 

And I stayed for two years. 

Wow. 

And I got into a school where. Everyone surrounding me helps me then accept my creativity because again, I shied away. This is where it gets back to, you know what I said about the whole trying to fit in the box?

Yeah. So I went into like, oh, I need to be a teacher. 

Mm-hmm. 

So in my head I was like, I barely told everyone that dance until like the three or the fourth month. 

Mm-hmm. 

And then they found out, what'd you do outside of this, by the way? I was like, yeah, I dance. They're like, why did you not say the kids would love it?

'cause and then, yeah, I realized, hello. I started doing research on how dancing a movement is also helpful for anyone, you know, neuro, uh, scientific brain or neurodivergent brain. So then I was like, wait. Another door opened up for me again, you know, and I was like, okay, accept both worlds again. So then the school allowed me to then do some dunk sessions sometimes with the kids.

Wow. 

Wow. 

And then I was like, okay, I do love it. And it's from there that I told myself, when I do, I told myself, no, I'm gonna apply. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna do it. 

Okay. 

And then I thought to myself, do I wanna do dance teaching then, or do I wanna do any other subject? 

Mm. 

I turned myself, I turned to English. I said, no, because I've not mastered English like that yet.

I don't think I'm ready to teach it. 

Mm. 

And then I started looking, of course, also university and stuff, go UK and I found out that you could do MFL. Mm-hmm. So language teaching, and I was like, oh, what are the requirements? Then I look at the requirements and it says. First, which is what I got my uni. Nice.

Thank you very much. And then the second point 

said, said, you need to be native in the language. 

I said, tick the box. Mm-hmm. 

And the third point said, yeah, it's an bursary. You know, I have to pay for it. I said, box, let's this bring it. I get bring it. Let's 

get, um, take it. So literally I told myself, mm, we go for that.

But I applied for the first year, didn't get in. Okay. Instead, I went a hundred percent on dancing that year. I think it was there. Where, when did I do that? 2023? No, 2023. 2024. 2023. 2024. Okay. That year. Okay. That's when, yes, it's that year. 

Okay. 

That's when, oh my gosh. The way I dance. That year even I went, whoa.

W Whoa. I did not know I could do that. 

Wow. 

I dance every day. And it's also because since I didn't get in right. 

Mm. 

I was like, God, what, what is it? What did I not do? And stuff. Mm. And then I told myself, Hmm, he's not doing thing in veins. 

Mm. 

Everything happens for a reason. 

Mm. 

Let it flow. And obviously at the time, because I dunno what progress is, and also perfectionism is like on my forehead, written like that, I was like, I did this wrong, I did this wrong.

And I just started talking down about myself again. Then my mom went, uh, maybe you need to take this journey for now and understand what dances is for you. Because remember, you've always put at the side because you try to, you know, see as it's, you know, release or stuff, but you've never really seen it on a professional basis, have you?

Mm. 

So then I was like, okay, fine, let's do it. So I went home to, for like four months and I went home. And reality hit me because you see dancers at home.

I am in, when I say I'm mesmerized, when I see my, my, my, my friends at home, they're just fantastic. 

Mm. 

I will never want to come in here and say, nah, this not it. I'm, I just, I just respect them alone and I will not talk down myself and say that I'm not a good dancer. I am, I think I'm a very, very good dancer.

Come take my classes, guys. Thank you very much. But like, they help me really understand what dance is on the professional level as well. Wow. And the structure, that's where the education, the, the institution comes in with the dancing. So then after that I applied again. Okay. And I said, I'm still doing this god damn job.

And I got in and I was like, thank God. And I got in, I got accepted at St. Mary's University. Wow. So I was like, oh my gosh. Top school as well. 

I 

got confused 

for 

my life, but Okay. I'm not saying no. 

Yeah. 

And my mentor, um, Juliet and Lisa, those women, uh, topnotch, they, when I said they helped me throughout this whole year.

So this whole year I also told myself, oh, I need to be a teacher now so I can't be a dancer. And that's, as you know, another battle came in again. 

Mm-hmm. 

Who do I wanna be? 

Mm-hmm. Six, 

seven. Sorry guys. I had to say it's not me. It's the kids that I teach. They keep telling it all the time. I had to lay it out.

It's out. It's out. Yep. Out. So from there, I, uh, I did this whole year that's just, that's gone now. I was a cool, I'm a teacher. I put away, I mean I didn't put away downs. It's because generally PGC is hard. PGC and QTS together is hard. It's very demanding. You are obviously doing your master in PE in pedagogy, and you're doing the practice.

Everything is new Me who's not been in a UK education ever in my whole life. It's new. New to that level. 

Okay, so. 

I was just thrown on my first placement. Horrible. We will not go in details. That's what I'm gonna say. But one thing that I did learn from that is, oh, I know who to watch out from now. I learned my lessons over there and I was like, I don't wanna do now.

Yeah. Second placement, the man that was my mentor, it's only God that said, yeah, you needed to be there in that time. 

Okay. 

Because it went like from here to, and this is just, it was top notch. And then, um, second term is so, second placement as well. I said, cool, I'm ready to go back into dancing. So then I signed myself up with the beautiful company roots and more who I trained with every day on Wednesday.

And, uh, it bring me, it got me to understand professionalism and dancing. 

Mm. 

And then I was still, I, I'm not gonna lie, I was still hiding away. Okay. I was still saying to myself, you know, I'm a teacher and I don't dance, so I never mentioned it to teach teachers again, still doing the same thing. And the third month, same as then slipped out a little bit.

Hmm. Um, but then when I graduated I told myself, hold on a minute, in 2025, why is it on earth that I'm, I think that I can't merge Essex and Hebrew because they're in the same town. 

Mm-hmm. 

They're in the same town. So I'm like, yes, the fall, but they're on the same town and there's a roads that connects them.

Mm. 

So let me, you know, try to navigate through that road that connects them. 

Okay. 

That's how I'm trying to understand and accept the fact that I am a professional dancer. Mm. And I am a teacher. 

Mm. 

She got brains. 

Mm. She got movements. Mm-hmm. 

Still outta 

team. 

Mm. So, yeah. No, I think that's really great. And I think, like, my only thing to say is that I feel like that's your, like, story clearly shows that like you can have the best of both worlds because I feel like people feel like.

You can't, like even I tell people with my job, like, I like my job because like my business, my business supports a whole range of people. We support young people, we support creators. But then also through my workplace, I'm able to do that exact same thing. So sometimes it might be, I don't know, putting on events for different communities.

Sometimes it's, um, this is why you didn't record after work. Yeah. Sometimes, um, it's like having like people on the podcast and being like, oh, did you know about this space? Like, there's been people that have been like, oh, cool. Like come, there's a space that I know that really good for you. Um, but I like that there's a lot of overlap.

Even like, people are surprised. There are people who've been on the podcast or who've been on our panel discussions that are people that I've met through literally just like my work. And I like the fact that both of those overlap. 

Right. That's nice. I think, I think it's, um, it's, it's, it's interesting as well too when you, you know, when you don't see it coming and then it's slowly just creeping comes 

outta nowhere.

Yeah. Yeah. I, I think that's what's happening because now, especially with the. Um, where I'm at with both of those careers, I'm like, wow, I'm very grateful to God about it. 

Mm-hmm. 

Um, I dunno what the outcome is gonna be because I'm, it is the world. Of course, there's always gonna be people that are gonna be judgemental and they're gonna be like, how is it that you're on social media, you're doing this, but then you're actually teaching kids.

And I'm like, hello? Do you know that though your kids are doing worse than that? First of all? And second of all, I am a model two kids telling them that you could be that full hundred percent woman education wise and everything, and also dance on a professional basis. A hundred percent. There's nothing wrong with it at all.

A hundred percent. Hello. There's teachers that are designers, there are teachers, there are lawyers that are, that are video content creators do not come at me. Literally like, do not come at me. So, yeah. I'm just getting ready for that interview. You know when they do ask me and they're like, um, we need to check your social media.

Go ahead. 

Um, we're now gonna go on to Treasure Talks. So you are actually, as I mentioned before, you're the last episode of the season, so you'll be the last Treasure talk for season eight. Yeah. So I don't know what you've brought. I'm excited to see what you've brought. 

Yeah. 

Um, could you let us know what it is and why this item is a treasured item to you?

Okay. 

Set. I got today my rosemary beans. 

Wow. And I will put on if I'm doing this properly, we have an applause. We have an applause. Um, so yes, could we please know a bit more about why Yes. 

Rosemary Beat, I am Catholic and, um, throughout all of those countries, this whole, um. Traveling journey. One thing that stayed consistent is Jew.

So God, this stayed consistent throughout the whole journey. Wow. I got it. When I was baptized in TiVo and um, when everything happened from after the war and moving to Sweden and we did this and doing this, at any time that I will feel doubt or anger, anxiousness, any type of feeling, joy, celebration, I will turn to this beautiful peace right here.

It is an object. And yes, when it comes to Catholicism, um, the practice is different like any other, obviously religious practice, but for me, this object is my everything. 

Hmm. 

Hardship as much as happiness is my, is my everything. 

Wow. 

So, yeah. And it's not because of the object, I think it's the. It's the link that I have and the, the journey that I see through that object.

It's that it's the journey, because when I'm telling you my faith, it's faith. I do this. 

Mm-hmm. 

Because obviously moving through the construc, I have to ask, I said, God, what you want? Mm-hmm. Why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? 

Mm. 

Why did I not get 

accepted? Mm. Why do I need to choose between dance and education?

Mm. I'm asking so many questions. Mm. And I'm, and then, you know, obviously there's other stuff as well that happened in my life and I'm like, that I don't wanna be, I wanna, I, there was a period of time, you know what I said to my friends, I was like, I'm moving back home. I'm not staying in Europe. I'm tired of Europe.

I wanna do that. I just wanna,

that's whole thing. Yeah. And you know, when I was sitting Nic, I'm like, Hmm, God, I'm mad at you. 

Mm. 

I might head right. And I look at him and I'm like. Why do I need to go talk to you with my head? I'm trying to go away from you. I could go away from you. So, yeah. 

Wow. So yeah, 

it would be me. It's okay. And I finally Googled it.

Rosemary beads. Thank you. 

Wow. That's beautiful. That's really nice. And I think like, so, uh, well I have been to many a Christian Church. Yeah. Uh, I've been to a Pentecostal church, but I'm currently at a Church of England church and we have, um, like we, we, well our church is like Anglo-Catholic, so Oh, okay.

We are a part of the Church of England, but the priests, or the priests that have resided over that church have been like, they. We adopt a lot of Catholic as well as like Church of England stuff. Yeah. Um, and the last November was the first time I went, so they did, so we got a new vicar in last year and he was like, ah, cool.

So I'm a part of this, like I do this pilgrimage with other vicars and we go to this, um, we go to this shrine. Uh, I had never heard of this place before. It's called Walsingham. Um, I'd say it's a small village in Norfolk. I think. Um, it's up, up north. I Im going 

see you talking places that I've never home.

See, look, I'm gonna be so real with you. Um, outside London. It's like, it's, its, it's, it's, which just sounds like, like the s small, like so snobby, but like outside of London, um, if you're trying to tell me where places are in the uk, um, question 

mark. 

Oh, uh, we've got match for a reason is all I'm saying. Um, but with that pilgrimage, like, I guess like what you're saying about like the, so we learn about the rosary, like rosary bess and like why, why, like what the prayer is for what is useful?

Wait, 

is it rosary or rosemary? 

So I've heard both. I don't Right. I've heard both. I don't, I've 

fake it because before you were taught of both. 

I've, I've, I've heard more rosary than Rosemary, but I also don't know if there's a difference between the two. 

I'm gonna Google it. All of Yana comments, you'll start better talking because I literally, I've Googled it.

Those two names came up, so I'm like, which one is them? Remember, and it's the rosemary state in my head, so that's why I just, you know. 

Ah, okay. Um, I've heard, I, I think I've heard rosary more, that's why. Okay. So it could be 

rosary 

it, but I'll be, I think either's fine. 

Unless like there's, I hope so. Well, I'll double check.

We'll, we'll fact check it. We'll be back with you. But no, it was interesting to learn about it. 'cause like, I guess from like a Church of England perspective. Yeah. Like, it's not a practice that I've necessarily done. My dad, a bit of context is also my dad grew up Catholic, so like he knows about it. He's done it.

My mom grew up like within the, like, Anglican and like, um, church of England church in Nigeria. So like, they, so my dad knows about it. He's done the prayers. He's, he knows about it, um, for my mom that we don't do it. So, like, for her, she was saying like, oh, it's particularly seen as like a, you know, your, like, she, she was like, oh, I don't necessarily know why.

You got like, you guys sounds like wild, but like why you do it? Because she was just like, oh, like in Church of England, you know? Um, or in the Bible, like we talk, oh, you pray to God is, which is like the main, like when people are just like, oh, like let's talk about rosaries that like this is it, 

it this bow.

Yeah. 

I, no, but I think something really interesting that the, so the person, so this program was, was nice because there was other young people like age 18 I think to 35. And it was all about like, just encouraging like young people who are getting into the church. There's a big revival across all churches around the world that young people are really looking to find like faith and God.

Um, and this per the person leading the session was like, look like, uh, I don't see, like she was talking about that. So she was just like, oh, I grew from the Church of England. Sometimes people have been like, why do you have like rosary B to like, what, what's, what's the point? Why are you praying to marry?

And she was like, oh, I'm not praying to marry as like, oh Mary, like you know, I'm worshiping you like I'm worshiping God. She said it's more of in though she sees it as like, oh, I might ask a friend of mine. Can you pray for me? And she was like, I'm seeing it like that. Mary's a friend of mine and mom asking Mary, you know, please intercede on my prayers.

Exactly. And she was like, it's the same reason, like the same way that like, um, like people pray to saints, they're like, oh, saints so and so, like, I know like it's especially like. If you're not Catholic, you probably dunno what your Saint Day is, but like every day has a saint if they do. Yeah. Um, so it's the same thing with that.

Like we have saint days absolute. So saints you can be like, oh, this saint is my saint, it's the saint when I was born and it's exact same thing. Uh, so I thought that was really interesting because I was like, um, so I've I Well, if I knew you were born, I would've brought mine. 

Oh 

yeah. But yeah, so I got on on the trip and I was just like, and I get what you mean, like it is just nice to, to have, and I know like my sister's, uh, she was on the trip too.

She got one. Yeah. And she was saying like, sometimes it's just even like having that moment to pause and reflect. Yes. So like, typically, um. One of them broke. So I don't have the, my, my original one, but like, so I got this, uh, I dunno which camera's currently shown, but I'll bring it forward so hopefully one of them can pick it up.

Um, so I got this bracelet. It is a, not a rosemary bead by the way, but I got this bracelet with a cross. Yeah. Uh, and then people keep, this is a, I've explained this on a podcast episode before, but, um, people think this is a two piece necklace. It's not. Um, my friend went to, uh, went to Italy and he bought me this, and then I had an African necklace.

Anyways, but I like to wear these as well because I might not necessarily always remember to bring the rosary with me. Yeah. But I like, like I, for me, it's not like I wear this as like a ritual thing. So it's just like, oh, if I'm not wearing this, then bad things are gonna happen to me today. It's like, no.

Like no matter what happens, if I need like a moment with God, like I can just hold it, I can just pray. I can just focus on God and like, like just ground myself in the moment. Um, so yeah. So thank you for sharing that. That was beautiful. 

You know, you just reminded me about something. 

Oh, 

when we were talking about, um.

Talking to a friend. 

Mm. 

Throughout this journey, it, when I, as a woman, it's, it's more than a friend. 

Mm. 

For me, I, I'm feeling it every day that when I do turn to La Marie, it's more than a friend. 

Mm. 

Because it's a guidance. And, but again, that's a spiritual aspects that, you know, if you do understand, you understand?

Mm. 

No, a hundred 

percent. And the second object I'll say is this one, which is basically, uh, I got a, I think two years ago. 

Okay. 

And for some reason, especially now that I'm teaching, I do not go to. In the morning, it's first item. 

Wow. 

I dunno why, but maybe it's just to, you know, be proud of every, every thing that, yeah, my experience stuff.

I dunno why the French accent is come here.

Right. That was beautiful. Oh, thank you. And I thank you very much for sharing. Um, we're gonna start this question with our mic check, which is a fact, figure of story that's relevant to the conversation 

copy. 

And this episode we have an interesting fact from unesco, uh, which says that over 50% of multilingual and multicultural individuals report, uh, report living between cultures significantly increases their creativity, adaptability, and their problem solving, which I think highlights the strengths of individuals like yourself, you know, who draw from not only being, having multiple lived experience in different parts of the world, but also, like you said, you have two different practices that you, that are linked together.

And this question is all about essentially, you know, you've built experience in language education while developing your artistic craft. So. Also I have now realized, I feel like you may have answered this question, so if you have, we will go to the last question, but the question was mm-hmm. How do your skills as an educator shape the way how you create and build communities through art and dance?

Oh, structure. 

Okay. 

Yeah, I could, I could answer that one then we could go to this one. Yeah, yeah. Structure. So you see how during my placement, I've, I've accepted that I do not have consistency and I do not have, uh, structure routines because when you're a teacher, routines is your best 

friend. 

It's repeated things, but it's also because it's something that students, that's how discipline is being, you know, created.

There is lots of politics to talk about as well. When it comes to this, I'm not gonna lie, because obviously as a creative, I like the freedom of space and stuff. As enough. So I do juggle between those two things sometimes. Mm-hmm. But structure my best friend. 

Wow. 

If my brain is not structured because myself with the fact that my brain can take those four languages.

Oh my God. Sometimes English is not English. French is not French, English, uh uh uh, Swedish all less can talk my head. So no, no, no, no, no, no. So yeah, structure. Okay. Structure helps me in my creativity and it's helping me even more, like I was telling you about with my TikTok journey that I'm trying my social year.

Because now that, you know, I'm like deep in and I'm like, okay, I have my classes set, I have my goals set, I have this set. I'm like, wait a minute. You see all of them TikTok people that are like guides. It's not about the algorithm, it is about the structure. You need to use your tools, you know, correctly and stuff.

I'm like. That be right? 

Mm. 

Let me, let me, let me, let me see if I can understand it from that perspective. 

Mm. 

So that's why, that's why I started realizing a little bit. So yeah. Okay. Structure. I don't know how it's gonna go, but I'm gonna do it this whole year. I'm gonna add a bit more structure in my creativity.

Okay. 

Hopefully 

it's gonna 

be great. It'll 

still be fun and it's gonna be great. You're gonna turn around and you're gonna be like. This was amazing, isn't it? I'm super structured. I know what I'm doing. I know what the days are looking like. 

Exactly. 

You got nothing to worry about. 

Yeah. But when it comes to creating choreographies, that structure will not structure still.

Okay.

That's what I need to learn. 'cause I, I go off my emotions too much when it comes to that. I need to stop, I need to go off the discipline of doing it and not my emotions because it needs to be muscle memory for me now. 

Mm. 

But I go off my emotions, so I'm like, 

oh, diet today. I don't wanna create, knowing damn well that I'm teaching tomorrow and the choreography is not done.

I'm gonna wake up, I'm gonna wake up at 6:00 AM to do well, lemme know. Curse.

Well, that's good. But I think that is, it is, um, I think to be able to look back and see like, and I guess reflective on that, you know, the impact that having that structure have for you. I think that's really important. Yeah. And I think that's great that you can notice that. And we've come to the final question before we go to pass on the mic, which is why you get to ask me questions.

Correct. 

Um, which is for anyone who is like you. 

Oh, 

so this is, they don't have to just be students, they can be young people, they could be people that want to do a career change, but essentially anyone who's sort of like in this in-between. And when I say this, it's not because I'm saying like you're in between like different places in life.

I like it though. You, you are in between in the sense that you're between cultures, countries, careers. Yes. So anyone who feels that they're in between, what practical advice or guidance would you give to them on embracing all sides of themselves without shrinking?

I'm gonna be dramatic a little bit. Okay? So

those boundaries are gonna come naturally. You can't block them. 

Hmm. 

That's the first thing I need to say. Okay. Because I don't wanna lie, those boundaries are gonna come naturally. 

Okay? 

The reason they're gonna come is because when you go to one country to the other, automatically you're gonna think, do I fit in?

Mm. 

You just arrived. It's not one. So once those boundaries, once you have overcome those boundaries, and then you accept that, oh no, I am both, that's what authenticity comes in. Mm-hmm. Which is what I was talking about the start. 

Yep. 

That's when you really start to say, cool. Let my light shine bright, loud.

Do not be afraid to be loud. 

Okay? 

Don't be afraid to be loud with that light, because when I'm telling you the amount of time. I am underestimated because I was quiet, because I chose to be a kind nice heart. No, yeah. With a heart. And I'm not saying to be mean, rude, or whatever. No. Do not confuse those two things.

Mm-hmm. But be loud and really be true to you without necessarily wanting to fit in a box. Mm. So the second advice I will say is, it's okay to feel like maybe it is the right or it's the right or maybe not the right choice. It's okay to go through that phase. 

Mm. 

And only yourself, only you will know. You can talk to 3000 people about it, but only you will know.

Mm-hmm. 

The very important point that I'm going to say now is you will not understand your friends, and your friends will not understand you. Mm-hmm. Why? Because you have experienced the, you have experienced. Three, you. No, you have lived in three different countries, four or five or whatever it is, and you have been a person in those countries.

You have those cultures that are now a part of you as you go along to another one. It's impossible for your friends to understand you a hundred percent. Your friends will always understand you with what you get them and what you give them. Mm-hmm. That's the reality. Now, I'm not saying that it's bad or it's wrong.

No, it's reality. That's why I started accepting, because I will have so many conversations or stuff with people where they be like, yeah, but you know, those things are excuses and everything. It's nothing to do with excuses, it's just the facts. 

Mm. 

My culture, I have my own. You have last point. You have your own culture as individuals, we have our own cultures, but you have your own culture, which is loud because that culture is three different country.

I can use me for an example vo. Shred France

and now the uk I go to Sweden, they're like, ah, look at the lingo. Mm. You speak like them now? And I'm like, no, I don't. I'm here. I'm definitely not from the uk. I go home. I'm definitely not from I coast. 

You get one point. Mm-hmm. 

However, it's still main. Why? Because people still drawn to you are main, you are the both you, you the best of all those worlds.

Mm. People will always be drawn to you. Don't worry about it, sweetheart. Just keep you stepping. And one thing is well, is learn how to do barriers. Because with a light, when it comes to someone that has a bright light, you see the devils out there. And then you'd be saying like, oh, I don't like that light.

It's a bit too bright. We need to dam me a little bit. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Learn how to have barriers. Learn how to. You know, just, just open your As. 

Mm 

your your fur eye. Need to be, need to be open. 

Mm. 

Aaron will laugh about this. It's my partner. Have to make a joke.

No honesty. 

So, yeah. I hope 

it makes sense. I sense hope those are tips that you can take. 

It's beautiful. That's a beautiful way to end. Um, before we go, go to the main end of the episode, this is where you get to ask me questions. So this is passing the mic. Um, yeah. What you, you said you prepared well, you thought of questions.

I did. Yeah. So now I'm like, 

but now this has brought me to think of other questions. Ro 

Okay. 

Ro 

you can ask as many as you want. If you wanna ask all the ones you wanted to before and some new ones that have popped up. It's up to you. This is your floor. 

Okay. I have one. 

Okay. 

How do I formulate this? 

I'll be honest.

If you're doing it in another language, I won't be able to respond. 

Know

what are the pros and the cons. 

Mm-hmm. 

To you starting your podcast? Is it a good one? 

That's a good one. I've never been asked that before, actually. Um, like for me specifically, or like for anyone who wants to start a podcast? Yeah, me specifically. Um, okay. So when I started, uh, with friends, this was all the way back in.

I wanna say 20 20, 21 Uhhuh. Uh, so we, obviously COVID is still happening at this time. Um, everyone's at home. Um, and the biggest thing I say is none of us knew how to record podcast. I'm not a media student. They weren't, we'd never done media stuff. I just did a bit of video editing as a fun passion thing.

So the biggest thing I would say, which was like maybe a con would you have to like learn. I guess it's two things. So you have to learn how to do everything. 'cause like I was like, I don't have budget behind this. Mm-hmm. So I need to know how to edit. I need to know how to, um, I need to know how to market this.

I need to know how to upload content. I need to know which platforms are the best places for us to be. So like now on video, which is great, this is all cool. We, we started, we were on YouTube. Uh, sorry. We were on audio only. 'cause I was like, I don't know how YouTube works. Even like us being on YouTube. I tell people, people think it was like our master plan.

We had this vision and we were all gonna, no, it was literally one of my friends that I was recording with. He was like, oh, so I think for this like new season, we should be on YouTube. And I was like, oh, why? He said, I feel like, you know, if there's an audience and people like stuff on YouTube. Like they're gonna connect to it.

And I was like, oof. I don't know. Like I've not uploaded content to YouTube before. I don't know how the YouTube algorithm works. Okay. And he was like, let's just do it. If, if we do it for this first season and we feel like, you know, that like numbers are rubbish or like we feel like actually this is just super painful.

It is like, scrap it. And I was like, okay, cool. I'm trusting you. And that's why we we're on YouTube. I tell people the interesting thing I've now found about this podcast is when we started, like obviously the first season was only, um, audio. Mm-hmm. So we've got a lot of listens and, and like. Interactions through that.

Now we get more people who watch it than, than they do listen. And they may be listening to this in the background, and if you are, I'm not judging you, but it's, I'm not judging you. It's cool. Um, true. I mean, I listen to other people's podcasts in the background, so I can't even come make a point to stand on.

But I think my thing with it is I tell people, it's interesting because if we didn't go onto YouTube, like we tapped into people, like new audiences have come and like now where YouTube, 'cause I was even talking to someone, um, at work about this. He was just like, uh, he, so he works at Sky and he was talking to someone about, um, like they're, they also do podcasting.

And he was like, my biggest thing to you is like, YouTube is now like bigger than essentially it's interesting. YouTube is a free platform, but YouTube has built up like content and stuff. And now it's basically. Competing on the same levels as your like Netflix and like big publishing stuff. Um, which is wild because like even we, like, I probably won't do it 'cause I don't have the time to, but like, if you want to, like, let's say you had a YouTube channel.

Did you now know that as a YouTube content creator you can add courses to your YouTube channel? 

Sorry, what? 

Yeah, you can add courses to your YouTube channel, so no way. And you can, so I think if you are, if you get paid, if you get paid by YouTube, um, you can try. I feel like you could put it behind a page or you could say it's like only for your members of your community that paid to get into.

But yeah, you can add courses to YouTube. YouTube now like, so initially the Google had its own listening platform like Spotify and then when they were on YouTube, they basically would keep their all like music on their Google music app. Then they would just like, we're getting rid of it, we're gonna turn it into, or we're going to create YouTube music.

So then now they were just like, oh, with YouTube music, everyone's doing podcasting. Spotify doing podcasting. So we are now gonna enable you to add podcasts to Spotify. Uh, sorry. You add podcasts to your YouTube channel so you can turn playlists into podcast, like, uh, into a podcast. Um, I tell people like the reason why, um, now, so like Spotify now let podcasters upload video versions of their podcast.

I was like, that's almost a master plan. That's because Spotify was just like, look, YouTube people are just like, oh, my audience on YouTube, so I'm gonna focus more on YouTube because YouTube's where it's at. Um, so now they let you upload it on both. So like this, you can listen to this on Spotify. You can watch this on Spotify.

Yeah. Um, so that was my, like my, that's my con is you really have to like learn everything from scratch if you are not in like, interested in that stuff. Um, the pro thing is that it's fun. So I tell people the reason I love podcasting is because I like, I don't like actually. You, are you gonna random question.

Are you gonna ask me about anything dance related? Is one of the questions. Okay, cool. I will say this then I will, if I can find, I know I can find it. I'll put off the clip of it. Um, the reason, so the, what I was gonna say is the reason why I like podcasting is 'cause you get to learn about loads of different stuff.

Yeah. And it's cool 'cause you get to meet different people and like everyone, so when we started it was mainly like people that I knew that I met. Yeah. But then now it's like, okay, cool. I'm meeting people that I didn't know. Yeah. Um, I'm meeting people that maybe we met when I was at uni and they were just like, oh, I saw this.

Like, let's, I'd love to be on. So now it's like building connections. The reason why I brought up the dance question is because, uh, I, I should have mentioned this at the start, I'm, I'm speaking to somebody who's a professional dancer and I'm, I'm not talking about my embarrassing dance moment. So what you 

mean?

Yeah. Nah, it's wild. Um, and also I think I said, I think, wait, did I really? No, I think I said I'd do it for, uh. I forgot. I said I'd do it for our fifth birthday as well. So now I'm gonna definitely embarrass myself on the internet. What, what, what, what, what? Um, actually, so I can't show it. I can't show it. I can't show the video.

I'll show you the video afterwards, but I can't show the video just yet. I don't think this will come out before, before our fifth birthday, so I can't show the video yet. On the fifth birthday, the video will come out. Um, basically, so in secondary school, 

yes. 

We went to this thing that was talking about like driving safely.

It was like this, like it was three different schools from my school and two others, uhhuh. And it was like all about like driving safely as young adults. We were all at sixth form. And then, um, to happen is to start, they were just like, we're gonna bring people up to the stage. Like, anyone got up now. I thought this brother, the person on the stage was pointing to me.

I was like, cool. Some people say it wasn't, I think it was I got on the stage and then the other two schools, like two people come up from them and then this guy's like, oh, cool. So what we're gonna do is. We're gonna do like a dance competition, 

really. And then, 

and then one, so one of the guys from the other school was like, now I'm good.

And then walked off the stage and I was like, ah, you know what? I'm up here. I, if I walk off stage now, it's gonna be embarrassing. It's not gonna be good. So you 

said I'm staying. So 

I was like, I'm staying. And then I don't even remember what type of music they were playing. All I just know is like, so I started.

And bear bit of context is one they didn't tell, like nobody knew this. So I'm in my school, my six form uniform, which is a suit, so I'm in a suit and smart trousers. The other guy is in jeans and a t-shirt and a jumper. I was like, cool. Um, now I've said, and I've said, whenever I tell this story, I'm like. I, I can dance a bit.

I can't do like the most, but I can dance a bit. Uh, I can dance to Afrobeats, definitely. Uh, I, I'm pretty sure what was played was my afrobeats, but I was like, the way you can win a dance battle to me if, if you are not like a professional dancer, is you can either do a front flip. You can do a back flip.

You can do a cart, uh, no, you can do a front flip, back flip. Like you can do the splits. Yeah. Yeah. I can't do any of those. Um, what I can do is a cartwheel. So I was like, cool. I did some little thing on stage. Then I did a cartwheel. Lo and behold, uh, I didn't know at the time the guy that I was dancing against is a professional dancer.

'cause this guy was like, break up. Yeah. This guy was, no. Yeah, this guy was like, break dancing. Like popping and locking, doing numbers. No. Um, so what's wild is I tell people I don't remember. I don't know what's going through my brain. So the next bit of like what happens, which I think is what's in the video, is you see basically I just lose the plot and I'm just like, I'm a, like, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a not lose.

I'm gonna just walk out. Like I'm gonna do the most and I'm gonna take, I'm gonna just take out, I need to see that video. Um, yeah. I'll show you off to this, but yeah. Um. But yeah, so that's my dancing story. Like I 

So you said 

no. I was like, no, like, and the guy was just like, oh, um, yeah, you both like did amazing jobs.

Like we, let's say you both. I was like, don't say we both won. Like this guy, this guy, this guy can break dogs. Um, but I see, look, this is why you don't judge a book backs cover. 'cause I was sizing him up. I was like, 

he got this, 

what the fuck does, he's gonna do something embarrassing. I have won. I did a cartwheel.

The crowd was screaming, but I was like, cool. I was like, I, there was a part. This is how, you know, like. This is wild. 'cause I was like, I can't do a football back flip. But I was like, should I just attempt it? And I was like, if I do it and I like injure myself it No, no, no. I was like, in the video you can just see like I do the randomness of dance moves.

I don't know what I was doing, but um, 

but you were doing it. That's okay. I was 

doing it And you know what, to be fair, people in my school found it funny, but they were just like, you know what, at least you like saying you did that. 

They stayed, 

they doing so 

at 

that guy. So I like. Yeah, but that, that was not relevant to the question actually.

No, no. 

This good because I needed to know about it. 

Because the second point is I am going to ask Jeffrey to do a TikTok. We might, and why not put it afterwards. 

Okay. Okay. 

So yeah, 

let's make 

there. 

Okay. Um, but yeah, I think those would be my main two pros and cons, actually, sorry, I have two more. Uh, one my pro would be, aside from like getting to meet people learn about stuff is really cool.

Um, I think, I think the pro would be like now, like I feel like now, and it's like every like person makes content who's big says it. Like you don't need to be like. Like, I know we've got like loads of equipment now, but like if you go back to our first episode of this podcast, like maybe not the audio one, the video one.

'cause you wouldn't be able to tell We weren't using like professional microphones, but like the first video podcast that we did, uh, besides it being on Zoom, um, even if you go to the first one I did in person, like I've only got, it's not even like a professional microphone like this. It's a USB one that you can plug into your laptop and it stands up.

Like there are a lot of like TikTok, um, TikTok, Twitch streamers will use and stuff. Um, so it was like one of those, like I was using my laptop webcam, like it's not as good as the quality as the video is now. But I told people like, it's so easy to start. And the issue is people always feel like you need to have all this equipment to start.

But I was like, I only got this equipment because like, hey, honestly, like, and I was just like, you get this equipment once you've like built something, but I was expecting you whatever you're building to be like, great from the start. Like, just get started. 

I go like I was, I used to be like. I used to think I can't do it.

That's why I feel like this year, like I said, with the progress thing, I'm gonna be like, oh, nope. It's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, let's just, so, yeah. So it helps a lot. Thank you very much. 

And then, uh, my last thing about a con would just be, um, the biggest con, I think is the, um. Yeah. Uh, besides like having to do a lot of the research, like unless you are prepared to pay someone, you're gonna have to like learn how to do all the editing.

Right? And like, I know there are days when I'm like, I'm super tired, so I'm like, I'm just gonna quickly edit it. And it's not necessarily like, then once I re-look at it, I'm like, oh yeah, you know what? Like, I clearly missed, like something I should have cut out. Or like the camera goes at a weird angle.

There are tools that can help with that, which is great, but like at the end of the day, unless, so my thing, my bit of advice to someone is if you know you don't have the patience time or energy to do, like review your own podcast, ask a family member, a friend, and you don't have to tell them like. Edit it for like, if they're happy to edit it for you, great.

That's amazing. Um, but then if not, just tell them, Hey, could you just like, I'm gonna send you this link before I publish it. Could you just watch over it? Let me know your thoughts. Let me know if you're happy. If there's like a weird cut, if there's like weird angle. Again, a bit of like fun fact with this podcast on the first episode, there's a small gap within the first couple of minutes because when I was editing it, I forgot to zoom in when I was Ed using, um, premiere Pro.

So when I deleted the section, I thought I had moved it together, but I hadn't. So there's like a gap. And the only reason it stays there is because for me, it's a testimony to where we are now. Because now like, you know, like I said, the setup's different. We're doing more stuff in person. So yeah.

I'm joking. I'm joking. Joking. My last one 

yes. 

Is how do you manage your time? 

That's a good one. 

As a creative and of course someone that is in a working 

that's, that's is, that is a good question. Um. Honestly, I'd say probably not as good as it should be. Yeah. Um, yeah, like I think, I think sometimes people think that I'm like over, I'm overly critical.

I, I know I have a, I overthink and I overanalyze a lot. Mm-hmm. Um, like I even like, like people may have seen me like glancing over. I always check because like, I'm like, even now I'm looking at it, I'm like, is this thing recording? Because there have been times when it's not. Um, but I think my biggest thing that I want to do this year is really, I think, I guess like you said about schedule, I think that's, I think being a cre like, I think it is two things.

I think being a creative is great because obviously like you, we have ideas. We like to, we love to like bring things to life. Put pen to paper. But I think the biggest issue with creatives is two things. Is one is we don't sometimes understand. That like you can have an idea, but you don't need to action it right then.

So you might be like, I might be like, yeah, actually you know what I want. I've just had this random thought. Oh, that's 

so true. 

No, that's true. Because I was like, so people now know that we do like events and stuff that, so good. So, uh, so in March, well, I guess you heard it here first. Um, maybe I'll cut this as a nice little announcement.

It may actually, actually we'll probably have No, we would've announced this. Um, within the next week we'll be announcing that we're doing our Women's History month panel discussion, um, in March. Yeah. So we do, but literally people think, oh, like Jeffrey had that as a master plan. I always wanted to do events, but I was like, I don't have 

time, 

time budget.

When we also started, like I was in. Um, oh yeah, I was in my final year of my undergrad. Yeah. And the two people were helping me, were in the final year of their masters. 

Okay. 

So they were like busy. I was busy. And then when I grad, then they graduated before me. So they had finished uni. They were looking for jobs and stuff.

They still had a bit of time, but then got super busy. Yeah. I was like going to my masters, so I still had more time. So I was like, okay, cool. I do wanna do events, but like, it'll most likely just be myself or like getting my family and friends to help me. But my biggest thing is like he said, like I don't have a venue, I don't have this, I have that.

So when I was talking to Bruno, shooting Union, um. Like they helped us out with like, covering the cost of this podcast, um, when I was at Brunell. Um, and then I basically told them, oh, like, so we were talking about like Plan of the Year and I was talking about episodes we were doing, and then I was like, 

Hmm, 

you know what, um, I wouldn't actually mind me like to do like something for Women's History Month this year.

And they were just like, oh, like, what does that look like? And I was just like, oh yeah, we can just see a live panel discussion. And it was like, cool. So I was like, cool, I'll put together, like I'll put together a panel. Um, I I was like, we've interviewed people from Ah, that's right. No worries. Um, it just shows how emotional I'm saying this.

Um, but, uh, we, we literally, we were talking to Bruno and we were just like, yeah, this could be a good thing. And then this is the third year that we've done it. Yeah. This is the third year we've done the women's history one, three years. Yeah. And then we, so we do one for Black History Month as well. Um, and I've just done that as, as a regular thing.

But the reason why I say that is because it's good. If I had started from the beginning, I was like, I want to do events. And I was focused on doing the podcast and event and I hadn't finished establishing what's happening with the podcast. Yeah, it would've been too much. And I feel like as creators we're always like, oh yeah, we wanna do the most.

I have said I was gonna do last year that I'm gonna do an event per month. I have changed that because I'm not, I'm not wild enough to stick to that because 

Wild 

enough. No. 'cause generally I was like, oh, this is great. And then it hit me like in December. 'cause I was like, I haven't confirmed what I'm doing in January.

And I was like, you know what? I'm not doing one event per month. Like I was like, I, I, that dedication, use that picture. And I was also just like, look, I don't wanna do an event per month. And people are just like, you know what Jeffrey? I don't even wanna do one in January. Because like, I was like, for me as well, my wallet has been stretched because of Christmas.

Payday is, it was, look, we're not even hard. We're not payday. I still got time before bej. I'm like, if this is me, how are others feeling? Um, and then in addition to that, I was just like, everyone's tired after Christmas. Everyone kind of wants a slower start to the year and everyone maybe you feel like me with work, it's just not been a slow start.

It's been like the ground, you have to hit the ground running. So I was like. Why have that? Like why force an event? Even February, I was like, oh, you gonna be sick, you know, like I was speaking to one of my friends and she was just like, oh, why didn't you do like a dating event? Mm-hmm. And I was like, oh, you know, doing something for February will be sick and be cool.

But I was like, again, if I do something like a dating event, I have to bring people, I have to make sure these people are okay. They're not gonna do something wild. Because I was like, oh, it might be fun to do, maybe like a pop the balloon, take me out, maybe do speed dating. And I was like, gotta vet everyone.

And then I was like, if I have to vet everyone, that's gonna be more stress, more like, I was like, you know what, let's just leave it. I may look, I may do something in February. I don't know at this point. I'm like, no. But, um, I think at least doing like, so the reason why I say that is because I then was like, okay, cool.

I need to actually really think. Back and like, be like, how can I make this work? So my con is that, um, as creators we feel the need, oh, sorry, not my con my with the structure. My thing is that you need to just be aware of that. You don't have to do everything right now. And sometimes just keeping it in your back pocket and waiting until like stuff arises is good.

Um, 'cause I've also told people the same with business. Um, 

yeah. Thank you very much. You're very 

welcome. You're very look like I said, man, I, if we, if I spoke French, we could have done this whole podcast in French, um, and left people to wonder. 'cause I, I'm pretty sure our audience actually, maybe some people, if you do speak French,

see, look. I hope it was something nice 'cause like if not, I wouldn't even be able to tell you. Um, but we're gonna, do you have any other questions? 

No. 

Okay. No, you're very welcome. You're very welcome. Wait, if I, if I see what's Wilders, one of my sister taught me French for GCSE, so she's gonna be wild. That 'cause wait, durian is, see, see, you're gonna be proud of me.

I won't, I won't expose which sister. But, uh, you know, if you're watching, um, we're gonna go into the empty of the month with our organizational individual that's relevant to the conversation that we're talking about. And we have selected, uh, the ARO Creative Collective. So they are community-led platform that uplifts, Arro and African diaspora artists through showcases, cultural exchange workshops, and digital storytelling.

And we feel that it aligns with essentially all the stuff we've been speaking about today, but also with your incredible commitment to growing art across continent and celebrating identity through creativity. So if you're interested, please check out their website and more information on there. Um.

Maybe you could attend one of their events, let us know in the comments. Um, but yeah, they are our empty of the month. We've not actually come to the very end, uh, not only of the episode, but I guess of this season as well. So this is the fun part, and I did this for last season and this was really cool and I'm gonna do it again.

Um, so essentially this segment and I keep saying it, so now I'm just gonna keep my mouth quiet until we actually get a, a sponsor. So we joke and call it the takeaway section. We say we are not delivering food or delivering messages for you to go home with. 

Okay? 

Um, you are the last person. You are our last guest for this season.

Uh, it's been a while since we did an episode, so I'm not gonna try and list all the takeaways that have happened, but if you are interested, we'll release a video with all of the ones from this season so you can catch up on them. Um, but my question to you would be, and it's, I guess not only maybe thinking even broader than just this episode, because while it's the end of this season, we're now recording in January, it's the start the year, and maybe when this comes out, people will still be like, oh, I still want to, you know, change myself.

I want to do things differently this year. I wanna be better. So my question to you is, what is the message that you'd like people to take away from this episode? But what is the season y thing that you'd recommend? And whether it's something about like, you know, within a new year, whether it's something about other stuff we've spoken about.

Funnily enough, we started this season, if I remember correctly. Uh, with someone who was Christian as well. And we spoke about faith quite a bit in that episode too. So it's also interesting to me ending that that wasn't planned. But it's a nice way to, it's a nice way to do the episode. 'cause I think they started with their Bible.

Yeah, actually that's really nice. 'cause that item of the Bible, your is a rosary, so it's a nice to have that like Yeah. Um, but yeah. What would be your message that you'd be like, you want people to take on with you? 

So your takeaway will be.

Good thing is.

Okay.

Okay. Okay. Let's 

go with that one. Mm-hmm. I think my, uh, takeaway will be acceptance.

So what I mean by it is. Accepting layers of you and yourselves. 

Hmm. 

And on the other side, accepting the way the person is. Because I think that especially in the generation that we live in, we, we are not struggling, but we are, we're being shown. I do not accept and to take a certain image. So we don't accept the full version, we just take what we want.

Mm. But my message is accept what the person is 

because 

it's not yours. It's the person's, your journey and you as a person that is living through the journey. Mm-hmm. Only accept people will also give you, and that way perhaps there will be less disappointment and there will be more, you know, more appreciation, honest appreciation.

Yeah. That's what I think I take. 

That's beautiful. 

I hope so. I'll make sense Tyler. Like that. 

That make sense? That makes sense. And that was beautiful. Um. Well, we've officially come to the end of this episode, but also Cini is the end of season eight of the student guide. Um, okay. I will let you do so we, at this end point, we let, this is our opportunity for you to, this is essentially, well, I, you can plug anything that you're doing.

If there's events, if there's places for people to keep an eye out for you, if people wanna connect with you, if they're like, oh my days, I've loved this conversation, I wanna follow up with more, how can they do that? 

So when it comes to my social media,

um, uh, you can follow me on Instagram. Instagram is black. Underscore Vera, that is my Instagram account. Contact me at any time. Now it does take me two to three days before responding 

and won't lie. 'cause most of the time I'm either correcting books or something just like, 

um, the second social media, uh, platform where you can follow me is TikTok.

Okay. 

On TikTok. My TikTok name is Dante Onus. Now, how do you spell that? It's together. It is Dante, as you know. Itt, wait, that's the first now T-A-N-T-I-E-E-N. And then sleepless as you hear, as you hear it. Yeah. 

We, we can also make it like, here, here. Yeah, I should've said that. 

Do you know what now? I want it to be like

that's, but yeah, those are the two point, uh, points lot. Hey guys, my 

brain 

shattered. Oh, yeah. Uh, those are the, those are the two social media platforms where you can follow me. Mm. The next event that I'm doing is for all the beautiful women out there. Mm. Also, everyone that you know wants to. Just dance and release, just enjoy themselves.

Mm-hmm. With training, of course I do my own classes where I teach. 

Yeah. 

And my movement is called Fem Vibes. And, um, I welcome everyone, mostly women, but I welcome everyone. Mm. And um, right now, if you do want to be a part of those, of this program, 'cause I will do a monthly program mm-hmm. With a specific style to focus on.

Okay. 

We are there to work, to enjoy ourselves Of course. To grow. 

Mm-hmm. 

But to work. Mm-hmm. Thank you very much. 

Mm-hmm. 

It's where I think not don't think it's where movement meets movement allows you to grow. Movement allows you to breathe and movement allows you to be your through authentic self.

Mm-hmm. 

That's what f Vibe is for me. That's what, who I am, that's what F Vibe is. Mm-hmm. 

So. 

My classes this month are Saturday, and if you do want to attend my classes, just let me know. Of course by DM you mean? 

Mm-hmm. 

And then I will give you the links and everything for everything else and the tickets and all that.

But yeah, it's Saturday that I do teach Saturday during the day. That's for this month. Next month it might change, but I do have a community. 

Okay. When she also says this month, please bear in mind that if you have stop listening and No, no, no, no, no, no. I can click this. So I, this, this is gonna be released as like a nice little way for people to know that you're about to end the season.

But, but anyone, if you're listening to this episode and you're like, oh, this specific month or this episode is released as we are not referring to this specific month. So if you are interested, please reach out on social media and we can let you know more. Um, 

do you want me to re-say 

that so that they can No, I tell people I like, these are the fun parts of the episode.

I think. I think the chaos is a part of the magic that makes it, makes it fun. 

January 20, 26, guys. Okay. That's the moment. 

Like the, like I said, then the episode, like, we're dropping an episode this Sunday. I'm in, I'm in a Christmas trumpet. I have preference by telling people, look, I record in advance. Like, I love that.

I, I, I was just like, I'm not gonna release episodes of Christmas. No one's gonna watch it. And I recorded this in December. I wear Christmas trumpet throughout December. It, it, people need to be aware of these things. Um, but thank you very much for that. And please do check out all of those wonderful links.

Um, there's no point in me pretending that the season's gonna end. Uh, I mentioned it at the start. Well, I mentioned it in previous episodes that, uh. We are not going anywhere anytime soon. Uh, obviously, uh, Ashley, you may not know this, you are the 80th per, well, you're the 80th episode that we've released.

Oh, and I think because we've not had a repeat person on this podcast, we, we did at least three episodes. That, uh, me and like the two people I started out with, we all took on one. But you would be our 77th guest on this podcast. Yeah, yeah. No, thank you. Um, but we're not going anywhere any soon, anywhere.

Time soon. Uh, we've got a lot of new, a lot of new cool episodes coming up. Um, we'll be doing a new season. Um, I'm also thinking about what I'm gonna do, 'cause as you, as I mentioned at the start of every season, we add a new thing. Um, I don't know what I'm doing next season. If you have an idea, lemme know in the comments.

Um, if you would like to suggest. 'cause also, um, we did a cool thing two years ago. Oh. So geez man, time is mute. Three years ago, um, where we celebrate. So for our 50th episode, we did an interview with someone and that was really great. Um, if we, most likely with the way things are going, we will either, we'll definitely record our imagine.

Our hundredth episode this year. Um, we may even release that episode this year, which is nice. I'm aiming to do that because this year is five years of the business, so it might be nice if we could get it within this fifth year, uh, at least between March this year and March next year. I'd like that hundredth episode to drop.

Um. But if you've got interesting ideas of what that hundredth episode could be like, let us know if you want it to be a live podcast, which I'm leaning towards, I feel like it would be a nice little way to celebrate. Um, we could do that. Um, I don't know who's gonna be interviewed. I don't wanna be interviewed, um, because I've done, I've been, I have a podcast, well, we have a podcast, uh, on business where I've been interviewed before.

Uh, and I'll be on it again, uh, for a third time running. Um, so yes, please do not, uh, ask me to talk about pick up the mic in this journey. Um, instead suggest if you've got a guest, if you're like Jeffrey, you need to bring on this person. If you know any of mom famous, um, I have said I've always wanted to be interviewed by pna.

Uh, I dunno, Trevor, I know if you're watching, but I also know that I'm pretty sure you're either in America or you may be back in South Africa or you're floating between the two. So, so if you wanna come over, uh, and be on a podcast, you're more than welcome to. But I've also said Idris. You are on my list too, uh, to, to interview.

So if you, if you're not any of these people, Hey, I'm not. I'm dropping, I've dropped names for almost, well, this is for 80 episodes of people I'd like to come on. So, uh, please, uh, help us reach these people. But if you have someone you wanna suggest or if you have a cool idea, let us know. Um, but yeah, we, this is, we're gonna close this, well, this chapter.

And not even just this chapter, we're gonna close this whole edition 'cause we see each season as an edition of The Student Guide, which is a cool comprehensive book. Um, so we're gonna close this with this, uh, edition of the book. Um, I'm gonna sign off and we will see you all next time with the new episode, a new season, and a new guest celebrating cool things.

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We most likely 'cause I've been feeling creative. I'm, and you know, the idea came and like I said, as a creative, sometimes you, you drop wild ideas. Um, we will most likely have a special edition to celebrate five years. We'll have a cool shirt for five years. Nice. Um, and we will, 'cause we are gonna do a birthday celebration.

There you go. 

If you are, if you're at the event, 

I will be at the event. 

We will, we may do a giveaway. Uh, I'm not gonna pre we'll preface by saying I'm not gonna pre-order it because this, like men and women sizing is different and I don't know who's gonna win. It might be someone who, if I get them a large shot, it's gonna be like super small.

So we won't do it in advance, but we will make sure that one of you. Get that show. If you're a Patron member, then you can get that show early. But if you want it for free, you can come to our event and you can get it for free. Um, but yeah, please do check out. Finally, our other YouTube channels. So we have a sci-fi and fantasy, a gaming, and a, uh, anime channel all listed on the for you page ahead over there, and you can see them over there.

Um, but yeah, lovely conversations. Lovely speaking to you. So thank you very much. 

Likewise, honestly Cool. For having 

No, thank you so much. Honestly, I, I've, I've lost a lot today and you know, it's been a long day, so I'm like, this is, you 

know, like right now, I was about to say, please, guys. Hello. We are tired too.

It's been a long day. It's 

been a long day. We are, this is, it's all, it's after nine. We are tired, so we are gonna go. But thank you very much. Yes. And we will see you all in the new season. So take care and have a nice day. 

Oh, 

whatever.