All Things Sensory by Harkla

#243 - 10 Tips if You're Starting Your Sensory Journey!

February 15, 2023 Rachel Harrington, COTA/L, AC & Jessica Hill, COTA/L
All Things Sensory by Harkla
#243 - 10 Tips if You're Starting Your Sensory Journey!
Show Notes Transcript

Whether you’re a new listener and new to the sensory world, or if you’ve been here for a while and are familiar with sensory processing, this episode is full of little tips and tricks for anyone navigating sensory processing challenges! 

The tips that we dive into:

  1. Empathy
  2. Just right challenge
  3. Feeding the senses
  4. Working as a team
  5. In-person OT
  6. Primitive reflexes
  7. Sensory strategies
  8. Sensory breaks
  9. Modifications
  10. Elevator pitch

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Jessica:

There are definitely success stories out there from parents who have done this and teachers who are willing to help and carry over. And I hope that that continues to be the case and that we can spread the message that all of our kiddos need sensory strategies in the classroom. And we can just keep helping them be more successful and happier.

Rachel:

Yeah. I'm Rachel.

Jessica:

And I'm Jessica. And this is all things sensory by Harkla.

Rachel:

We are both certified occupational therapy assistants and together with Harkla. We are on a mission to empower parents, therapists and educators to help raise confident and strong children of all abilities.

Jessica:

On this podcast, we chat about all things sensory, diving into special needs occupational therapy, parenting, self care, overall health and wellness and so much more.

Rachel:

We're here to provide raw, honest and fun strategies, ideas and information for parents, therapists and educators as well as other professionals to implement into daily life.

Jessica:

Thank you so much for joining us.

Rachel:

Hello, everyone, we are so happy to have you today. We are just going to welcome you into the sensory world today. Because it's important if you are just coming across on your sensory journey. If you're just starting, you need a roadmap. And that's what we are giving you today.

Jessica:

This episode is really great. Like Rachel said, If you are new to the sensory world, we wanted to do an episode like this because so often we get the question, "I just found out my child has sensory processing disorder or these unique sensory needs. But where do I start? What do I do? I'm lost. I don't know what the first step is." And so that's the goal with this episode - to provide you a roadmap with the next steps.

Rachel:

I think also, this episode would work for an adult who was just learning about their sensory needs as well. Obviously, this episode is definitely geared towards parents and therapists. But if you are an adult who's like, Hey, I've got some sensory differences that I'm noticing, there are definitely a lot of tools that you can use as well. But before you before you like finish this episode, we do have a previous episode number 153 That kind of talks about what to do after your child gets a diagnosis. So definitely check out that episode, it kind of echoes what we're going to talk about today. But this is more of like 10 steps, here's what you're gonna do, once you've identified that your child has sensory needs.

Jessica:

Yeah, so either your child's sensory system is highly sensitive, or they seek more sensory input, or what happens most often they're a combination of both. And if you're not totally familiar with these terms, sensory avoider, sensory seeker, sensory processing disorder, make sure you listen to our episodes on those, because we dive into detail about what those look like and what you can do to help your child if they're a sensory avoider or if they're a sensory Craver.

Rachel:

But we just want you to remember that as you're going through this episode, if you're a parent, you know, keep in mind that sensory processing challenges, it's very, it's very genetic. And if you're realizing you or your partner has sensory quirks that's okay. Just prepare yourself to be wowed. Because I feel like I didn't realize I had sensory quirks until I've dove deep into this line of work. And then I was like, oh, and especially when you had your kid, and then you have babies, and then it is amplified. So if you are with me, or in solidarity, let's get started. Let's talk about 10 things that you should know and do if you are new to the sensory world. Or if you've been here a while these are great reminders and like refreshers. And also, if you're a therapist. This is a great roadmap or a great episode to share with your clients as well. If you get a new client on your caseload, and they're like, help, what do I do? Then send them this episode, and they will be like, Oh my God, thank you so much. I just love Rachel and Jessica so much. They're so helpful.

Jessica:

And on that note, let's help you.

Rachel:

Wait, I just want to I just want to clarify. We're very sarcastic and you know, we just have a lot of humor on this episode to just trying to keep it light and funny and airy.

Jessica:

Well, we tried to do that on all of them, right?

Rachel:

Yeah, but I'm just thinking like if someone new is listening to this episode, I don't want them to be like wow, Rachel and Jessica are so into themselves.

Jessica:

They're so... what is it that Phoebe says... They're so floopy?

Rachel:

So anyways, just a quick disclaimer. That's why we're making it light. Okay, number one go for it.

Jessica:

Number one is to have empathy. And we talk about this in many of our episodes, because it is so, so important.

Rachel:

We have an entire episode of full episode on empathy.

Jessica:

Oh, we do your right. Okay, so make sure you listen to that episode. Now imagine nails running down a chalkboard. I know this is Rachel's least favorite thing, you get that visceral feeling. You have like a physical reaction when you think about how uncomfortable that sound is. And that's often what it feels like to someone with sensory processing disorder, something that the rest of us might not even notice. A child with SPD notices it too much, and they have an overreaction to it. So if your child has SPD or if they have sensory processing challenges, just remember that they're not misbehaving on purpose, children don't try to be bad. So their sensory system is off, and their behavior is communicating a specific need to you. So make sure that you empathize with that need, and be there for them because you as their parent are their safe space. And they need to know that you are there for them when they need you most.

Rachel:

Yeah, and just to piggyback on that, there's just a common phrase that we like to share, and it's kids will do well, if they can, like Jessica mentioned, they're not going to be bad on purpose. You know, sometimes kids are naughty for fun, you know, but in this situation, they don't want to be covering their ears when the toilet flushes, they don't want to be sent into fight or flight when you know, they have to get on the school bus. And it's too loud and too busy. So just keep that in mind, they will do well, if they can, we just have to help them set, we have to help set them up for success in order to do that. Number two, this goes along with number one, but it is to never force anything. We don't want to force our kids to participate in sensory based tasks that are either too much for them to process, or maybe they make them feel uncomfortable. And it's a really hard balance to find. And I can share as like a parent versus like a therapist, you know, in the in the therapy world in a clinical setting. I feel like it's easier to find that just right challenge and to push a child to touch the shaving cream if they're really hesitant, but at home when it's a parent trying to do so it's different because kids are the most comfortable at home with their families. And so just keep in mind that it's a tough balance. We're not saying this is going to be easy, but we have to find a compromise, we have to find a happy, happy medium. But if a child is screaming that they don't want to go down a slide. Obviously, we're not going to push them down the slide.

Jessica:

But like, can you imagine?

Rachel:

Yesterday we were at the park. And Tripp was like exploring some slides a little bit more than he normally does. And he's almost two and a half. And there's this one really steep slide. And he has gone down in a couple of times and doesn't love it. I went down at he watched me go down. And then finally I had him go down on my lap. And he wasn't aversive to it. But he had initially told me no. And I said, Well, let's try it and we'll take a video. And we went down and he was totally fine. Did he go down on his own? No. But that's kind of that just right challenge that I think is important to keep in mind. So never force.

Jessica:

Sometimes you have to do things you don't want to do. And that's also important to teach our children is that, yeah, you might not want to do this. But sometimes you have to do things you don't I don't want to do the dishes every night. But if I don't do them, I'm gonna regret it in the morning. So I do them anyway. Good for you. Thank you. It's the visual clutter for me. Yeah, for sure. You know, I like waking up in the morning, walking into my kitchen and it's clean. It's not. I'm not visually overloaded. So I do it even though I don't want to. But we do have an episode about the just right challenge. So definitely check that episode out. Everything that we're talking about. All of the episodes that we have that we mentioned in this episode will be linked in the show notes so you can find them easily. Number three is feed the senses. Now what does this mean? This means you want to make sure that your child is meeting their sensory needs. Make sure you're helping them get lots of sensory input through Throughout the day, we love sensory diets for this. And we'll link all of our information about sensory diets in the show notes so you can learn more. Ultimately, it's important for you to know that we all have eight senses light. And it's important that we get information to these eight senses every day. And chances are your child seeks out certain types of sensory input. Many children seek out vestibular input by moving and jumping and running all day. Some children seek out proprioceptive input with heavy work pushing, pulling chewing. Many children seek out tactile input by touching everything in their environment. Some children seek out olfactory input by smelling everything in their environment, you and other people. So put your sensory goggles on and identify what sensory input your child is seeking out. And then make sure you're giving them that sensory input in expected ways. So instead of your child's going around and smelling everything, everywhere you go, maybe provide them with a scented scrunchie that they can carry around and smell it when they feel the need to smell something.

Rachel:

Boom. I love that. I think it's so important.

Jessica:

It is so important. Yeah,

Rachel:

it's a it's a game changer too. And, and you know, like Jessica mentioned the sensory diet, it's it's almost like creating a sensory lifestyle, we say put your sensory goggles on, but really, we just want you to identify all of the sensory opportunities throughout the day. What are you missing? What are you? What do you need more of what are you getting too much of identify that with your child as well.

Jessica:

And actually going along with this, making sure your child's sensory needs are being met, make sure your own sensory needs are being met. Because if you're not meeting your sensory needs, chances are you're not going to be able to help your child meet their sensory needs. So in addition to helping your child, make sure you know what your sensory needs are, and meet them every day.

Rachel:

You're only as regulated as the least regulated person in your house. So as a parent, if you are in sensory overload, if you are completely stressed out, if your nervous system is in fight or flight, then there's no possible way for you to help your child or your children thrive. Because you are unwell as the adult. So take steps to make sure that you are taking care of yourself as well. Easier said than done, obviously. But just be aware of that. Okay, number four, work as a team, with your child's school daycare therapists, caregivers, you want to make sure everyone is on the same page. And so if your child is with another adult or other adults for multiple hours out of the day, make sure that you're communicating with them that your child has these unique sensory needs, they have these unique preferences, they need brain breaks every 45 minutes, they need to do some jumping jacks and they need to run really fast down the down the hallway, create a game plan with them and work together in order to identify that happy balance of this is they need to be part of the group. But they also need, you know, a wiggle seat to sit on or they need a baseball cap to wear or some gum to chew in order to help them feel their best. And maybe they need a visual schedule to use. But just make sure that you give strategies that another adult with no idea what's going on with the sensory world, they have the opportunity to carry over. So it has to be simple, straightforward. I would write it down. So that way they know exactly what to do. And when and they have it just they have a roadmap like this like we're giving you today.

Jessica:

The hardest place for this to happen, I think is the schools, unfortunately. But I've heard a lot of success stories from parents who do this and they go and they meet with their child's teacher. They approach the situation from a positive team outlook versus a hey, you have to do this for my child. It's more of a hey, my child really struggles with this. We've found that X, Y and Z is very helpful. Can you carry this over in the classroom so that my child can learn from you and have a successful school day? And there are definitely success stories out there from parents who have done this and teachers who are willing to help and carry over And I hope that that continues to be the case and that we can spread the message that all of our kiddos need sensory strategies in the classroom. And we can just keep helping them be more successful and happier. Yeah. Love it. Number five, get an OT evaluation. This is huge. If your child's sensory challenges are significantly impacting their ability to get through the day. You need to get in person, occupational therapy from an OT, who is trained in sensory integration, emotional regulation, ideally primitive reflexes, which we'll talk about in a minute. But ultimately getting that in person OT and getting those personalized strategies that you can use in different environments is going to be a game changer.

Rachel:

Yeah. If you can't get into occupational therapy right away. Unfortunately, there are wait lists longer than a kangaroos tail.

Jessica:

How long is the kangaroos tail? I've never seen a kangaroo in real life. So I can't imagine them.

Rachel:

They have them at the farm. And you can pet them. It's amazing.

Jessica:

Don't they try to like jump up and kick you?

Rachel:

These ones are old. So they're over that? Yeah, seriously? No, they're all They're long. The wait lists, kangaroo tails, they're all long. Okay. So if you can't get in right away, and you're like, help, I need something. We have two on one mentoring opportunities available. You can schedule them with us. You can work with us. It's not a replacement for therapy. It's not therapy services whatsoever. It's just like, hey, here's what's going on. I need some strategies. I need to know the direction. Please help. And that's what we do. We love it. Yeah, it's like a brainstorming session. Yeah. So you will put a link in the show notes. If you want to look into that a little bit more but get an OT evaluation, it makes a world of difference. Nothing replaces in person, occupational therapy. Just make sure when you are getting an evaluation, you find someone who is trained in sensory processing, primitive reflex integration. And they have that awareness because unfortunately, not all therapists do.

Jessica:

Ask them if they listen to our podcast. That'd be a green flag.

Rachel:

Okay, number six, like I mentioned previously, primitive reflexes. Dive into these reflexes. Because oftentimes, when these reflexes are retained, or unintegrated, they cause the body to be in a state of fight or flight, causing sensory processing challenges. Unfortunately, it's kind of like the what came first Chicken, chicken or the eggs. Do the sensory processing concerns impact the reflexes from integrating order the retain primitive reflexes caused the sensory processing challenges?

Jessica:

Well, it is all connected.

Rachel:

Exactly. I don't know if you could even discern between the two.

Jessica:

Also, maybe it doesn't matter. Probably which one came first? No, as long as we're working on both.

Rachel:

So anyways, primitive reflexes, if you find that your child does have retained primitive reflexes, put to work integrating those reflexes, and then you will probably see improvements in the sensory processing as well. You most likely well, you for sure, well. And what's important to note with these reflexes is if you imagine a pyramid, primitive reflexes and sensory processing are on the bottom of the pyramid, and academic skills, higher level learning is at the top, you can't get to the higher level learning, you can't access that part of the brain without that strong foundation. So just keep in mind, you've got to have a strong foundation in order for a child in order for you in order for everyone to be successful.

Jessica:

Number seven is to use specific sensory strategies for specific situations. So you're already helping your child meet their sensory needs, which is a game changer in and of itself. But now you have specific situations that your child struggles with and you want to use specific strategies for those situations. For example, one that comes up a lot is swim lessons. Oftentimes, our kiddos will go to a slow swim class, and the environment is overwhelming. It's loud, it's echoey. There's a lot of visual stimulation. There's a lot of expectations and unknowns of what's going to happen. Maybe you know, you're at swim class, so your child might not know how to swim, so maybe they're afraid they're going going into a state of fight or flight. So even if you've met their sensory needs beforehand, you still are going to need specific strategies in the moment. So some of our Go twos are proprioceptive input, heavy work, deep touch pressure. This is the all calming sense to help calm the body, the nervous system. So things like weighted blanket, or a weighted vest, or animal walks or wall pushups, anything that is heavy, or heavy work to the muscles is going to be more calming to the body. And it is very individualized. Some children love the weighted vest. Other children prefer compression clothing, other children prefer the animal walks. So figure out which type of proprioceptive input your child enjoys, and which one helps them and use it.

Rachel:

A few other strategies, olfactory input, so like Jessica mentioned previously, scented scrunchies are fantastic put a drop of essential oil on whether it's a calming oil or an alerting oil. We have episodes on essential oils, so you can refer back to those if you need some ideas. But olfactory input is a great tool. Vestibular input is great for waking up the body in the brain. So things like swinging, spinning, jumping, jacks, yoga, all of those head position changes can wake up the body we just need to be aware of over stimulation. So for someone who's a little bit more sensitive, they can have an overreaction to this vestibular input. So we always want to provide calming proprioceptive input afterwards if that is a factor.

Jessica:

Using noise cancelling headphones or ear plugs is a great strategy if you're going into a noisy environment. And then oral motor input for kiddos who like to chew on things, but also for those kiddos who get overstimulated because oral motor input is a form of proprioception. It is heavy work to the oral structures and can be very calming and organizing. So chewing gum, using a chewable pencil topper, arc therapeutic has some great ones it's a RK therapeutic using a chewy necklace. Using the carnation bye vibration to the oral structures is great using certain types of food during snack time and meal time. So foods that are resistive or crunchy or chewy, provide a lot of great feedback.

Rachel:

Things like eating sunglasses or hats and bright lights or leaving the room like Jessica mentioned to her. Her kitchen needs to be cleaned so it's not visually overstimulating, if a child has 47 toys out in their toy room, they're not going to attend as well as if they had three toys to choose from. So less is more or less visual clutter. If their desk at school is visually overwhelming, it's going to be hard to keep it clean, it's going to be hard to find the materials that they need. So reducing visual stimuli. Reduce reducing the visual light fluorescent lights are really hard for the visual system to process as well in the school setting.

Jessica:

Or even in your home. Some homes still use fluorescent lighting for sure.

Rachel:

Yeah, don't use them often. That's a fluorescent light up there, isn't it?

Jessica:

Yeah, but that's why we don't turn it on.

Rachel:

Yeah, we have lamps. We have natural light from the outside. On the outside.

Jessica:

We have natural light from the outside.

Rachel:

And we're in our dungeon, our cave dungeon down here. Okay.

Jessica:

I was gonna also mentioned that this goes right along with tip number three of feeding the senses. Make sure that you are also using sensory strategies for yourself. You're making sure that everyone's sensory needs are being met, and everyone has their sensory strategies in place to use in the moment. Write them down. If you need help remembering like, Okay, we need to make sure that we do this oral motor heavy work before we leave the house because it helps Johnny feel calm in the car. So you write it down or you set a reminder in your phone to remember to do it until it becomes a habit.

Rachel:

I remember back in the day when you'd like write notes on your hands as a kid Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, like write a little note on.

Jessica:

Absolutely. Just make sure you don't wash it off when you wash your hand. Exactly.

Rachel:

Okay, number eight. This is a really important one. Be proactive rather than reactive to sensory needs. So this is a reminder to take sensory breaks often. So what we often see is that People will wait until their child is having like a sensory meltdown in order to intervene and to help provide sensory strategies, rather than feeding the senses like number three, providing them with consistent sensory input throughout the day. So they wake up, jump on the trampoline, have a crunchy breakfast. You know, we're we're embedding these sensory strategies into the daily routine, rather than going about our day. Normally, my child becomes overwhelmed, they shut down. It's almost easier to just consistently provide that sensory input throughout the day to avoid that, that overload.

Jessica:

Yeah, also making sure that if your child is at school, that they're getting sensory breaks, right? Ideally, the classroom teacher will have sensory brakes built into the day. But make sure that when your child comes home from school that they get a sensory break that you Don't bombard them with 20 questions that you don't have super high expectations for them right after school because they're going to need a break. And I think we have an episode on this topic.

Rachel:

I think we do as well. Yeah. So we'll leave that.

Jessica:

Yeah, we'll link that in the show notes.

Rachel:

So a few other things to keep in mind taking lots of breaks, going outside, getting sunlight, getting fresh air, touching the dirt, going barefoot,

Jessica:

I think that's the ultimate sensory break is to go outside. I would agree. Even if you don't go for a long walk. If you just go stand outside for five minutes. That's the ultimate sensory.

Rachel:

Yeah, change your head position, go upside down, do yoga, and just set a timer, you know, set a five to 10 minute timer, get a break, go back and continue on.

Jessica:

Number nine modifications I like so, sidenote, if you don't know this already, we use outlines for our podcast episodes. And we both type in our ideas into the outlines. And Rachel typed this one in and I really, really like it. And I want to compliment you. You wrote modifications make the world go round. I just love that. So actually, since you did type that one, I'm gonna let you start it.

Rachel:

Yeah, I like Jessica said modifications make the world go round. It kind of goes along with number two, never forcing, asking for modifications in the community, don't hesitate to ask for what you need or take noise cancelling headphones with you just in case the concert is going to be too loud, or the lunch room was going to be too loud or the The cafe is going to be too noisy. So keeping those modifications throughout the day can be really helpful. So things like instead of a regular toothbrush using a vibrating toothbrush, and instead of minty toothpaste using mild toothpaste, so it's like tiny little minut factors that to the average person, it wouldn't make a big deal, but to someone with sensory differences, it makes a big deal.

Jessica:

I was just thinking, changing your seating options, whether you're at home or at school, having the child or allowing the child to sit in different ways or on different surfaces. So having a therapy ball seat, having a T stool, letting them sit on the floor, letting them stand, instead of requiring them to sit in a chair that maybe isn't the most supportive or doesn't meet their sensory needs.

Rachel:

Or maybe their feet aren't even touching the ground. And that's why they can't focus because their feet are dangling. And it's extremely uncomfortable.

Jessica:

It's one of my sensory quirks. Yeah, I need that foot support.

Rachel:

Definitely. So modifications. Yes. Make the world go round.

Jessica:

Yeah, they do. I love it. Number 10. Here's our last one. Maybe unless we come up with another idea of sometimes have an elevator pitch prepared for the people who are going to potentially make comments about your child. SPD is not the result of poor parenting. It's not anybody's fault. If your child's sensory system is out of whack. It's not because you did anything wrong.

Rachel:

Great term... "out of whack". Very professional.

Jessica:

That's the technical therapeutic term in case anyone was wondering. Also, I hope you know I'm not serious. But if your child has SPD, it's not because you did anything wrong. There's misfires between their brain and their body that's causing these challenges and their brain and their body are processing sensory information in a way that's unhelpful. Honestly, if it's causing them to struggle to get throughout their day, so you're doing all of these other things that we've suggested, but maybe your child is still having a sensory meltdown in the grocery store because the grocery stores overstimulating and somebody makes a negative comment about it. Make sure that you know what you're going to say in the moment if that happens, or what you're going to do, or what you're not going to say or do, maybe you don't even want to interact with somebody who's making a negative comment. So you just walk away without even acknowledging that they made a comment. Sometimes, that can be the best option. I say were beige and be quiet. Yeah. Or if you do have, you know, a quick elevator pitch prepared, you can go ahead and use that in the moment to maybe provide more information to somebody who's not aware.

Rachel:

Yep, things like, Johnny needs more heavy work in order to feel more regulated. That's why he's jumping on the couch. So much like I had someone reach out and say, My in laws are trying to get my kid to not jump on the furniture at their house, which I get. But also like, they were asking, like, how do I kindly tell them like, my child needs this, like, we can't come over here, if they can't get their sensory needs met. If then then another thought that I had, like, if you want to help, please provide more heavy work for him when you're with them. We also have a handout that you can download and print and plaster it, share it to your Facebook page, you know, send it along in a child's backpack for the school just as a reminder of sensory differences. Because the goal here is to educate. And we want to be inclusive, right that that's the ultimate goal here with any neurodiversity is we want people to understand and just realize that they're still great kids are still great people, but their sensory system works a little bit differently. And that's okay. It's all gonna be okay. I think that's all I think, yeah, I don't I don't think I have anything else to add. I feel like, hopefully, this is a great roadmap for you. And hopefully, these strategies are helpful if you are listening to this and you're like, oh, like light bulb went off. Emoji you have liked the Brain exploding. Tag us on Instagram at all things sensory podcast, and let us know that you liked this episode, and that it was helpful.

Jessica:

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Rachel:

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Jessica:

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