Julian is a 2016 KBS graduate in the Master of Professional Accounting from the Sydney campus. He offers practical suggestions on career advancement and lifelong learning with the CPA, Certified Practising Accountant, in Australia.
Leveraging his auditing experience from France, Julian began working with an Australian accounting practice. In addition, his entrepreneurial spirit sees him building his own tax planning business.
TIMESTAMPS
00:30 About Julian
01:13 Julian's current work in accounting and tax planning
02:07 Building a client base for his own business
02:59 Julian's job at a professional accounting firm
05:16 How do get started as an entrepreneur?
07:21 How Julian found his first job in Australia?
12:44 What are the accounting specialisations available to you?
17:06 Selecting the most interesting career path in accounting
22:02 Benefits of joining the CPA (Certified Practising Accountant)
27:13 What's next for essential skills and employability?
30:30 Microcredential in Digital Finance with the CPA
31:32 Staying on top of your game with lifelong learning
32:24 Julian's professional goals for the future
Julian is a 2016 KBS graduate in the Master of Professional Accounting from the Sydney campus. He offers practical suggestions on career advancement and lifelong learning with the CPA, Certified Practising Accountant, in Australia.
Leveraging his auditing experience from France, Julian began working with an Australian accounting practice. In addition, his entrepreneurial spirit sees him building his own tax planning business.
TIMESTAMPS
00:30 About Julian
01:13 Julian's current work in accounting and tax planning
02:07 Building a client base for his own business
02:59 Julian's job at a professional accounting firm
05:16 How do get started as an entrepreneur?
07:21 How Julian found his first job in Australia?
12:44 What are the accounting specialisations available to you?
17:06 Selecting the most interesting career path in accounting
22:02 Benefits of joining the CPA (Certified Practising Accountant)
27:13 What's next for essential skills and employability?
30:30 Microcredential in Digital Finance with the CPA
31:32 Staying on top of your game with lifelong learning
32:24 Julian's professional goals for the future
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The Kaplan Community
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podcast is a place to catch up
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with Kaplan Business School alumni.
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We talk about life after graduation.
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What we're doing now.
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Careers, opportunities and future plans.
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Hi, my name is Julian Rossolin,
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and I came to Australia seven years ago
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as a working lead maker,
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and now I am currently working
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as a tax accountant
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and as an academic lecturer.
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Thank you for joining us
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on the show today, Julian.
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You graduated with
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a master of professional
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accounting in 2016.
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So you were originally
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an international student
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and now have become a well-known
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and well liked accounting lecturer.
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You're also a professional accountant
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outside of class.
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So thanks for coming.
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How are you doing today?
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Thanks, Karen, and thanks, Richard.
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I am very well, actually.
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Well, I know that you've got
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several things that you do.
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Can you tell us
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what are you working on now, Julia?
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At the moment,
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I am currently working on arranging tax
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planning meetings
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with most of my clients, because,
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as you guys know,
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the end of financial year
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in Australia is 15th of June.
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And so in April and May, we try to meet
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with as many clients
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as possible to basically
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look at tax planning strategies
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to optimize their tax position
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before the 30th of June.
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So that's at the moment my main work.
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And as you said, I'm
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also teaching two subjects
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this trimester, which are economics and
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management accounting.
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Julian, you have a niche market
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that I'm interested
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to explore your clients
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in, Taxor is the French community.
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So how far does that spread?
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Is it in Sydney or is it Australia wide?
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And how do you attract
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your clients in the first place?
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So with my personal business,
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I have roughly 90 to 95
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per cent of my clientele,
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which is French.
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Most of them are located in Sydney
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because I've been to different events
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with the expected community
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throughout my journey
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with the French French
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Chamber of Commerce and Industry also,
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which I'm involved with.
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And then I've also got
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some of my clients actually
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spread the word on Facebook
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and different social media.
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And so for the last couple of years,
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I've actually had more clients
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come in from other states
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like Queensland, Victoria
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and even Western Australia,
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which is kind of interesting, but
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it's also challenging
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because of the time difference.
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And Julian, you also have a job
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at an accounting firm, is that correct?
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Yeah.
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So basically I've got three activities,
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and my main activity
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is my full time job
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in an accounting practice
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where I I've got like
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hundreds of clients and I help them
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with accounting and tax issues,
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obviously preparing financial statements
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at the end of the year,
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preparing tax returns
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at the end of the year
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for individuals,
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companies, partnerships
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, trusts, sole traders.
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So that's my main job, my full time job.
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Then I am an accounting
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lecturer with Kaplan,
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so I am teaching mostly
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accounting subjects,
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but they also range
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from managing accounting, taxation law,
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all the different accounting
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subjects from the foundation level
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to the most advanced accounting subjects.
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in the economics department.
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So I'm lucky enough
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that I'm teaching in both departments.
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So that gives me more subjects.
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I was also coordinating last year,
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but I've stopped for now
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because it becomes a bit too overwhelmed
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to manage the different expectations
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and balance both jobs.
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And then my third activity
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is my tax agent business
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with my French community,
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which is mostly intense.
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From July till October,
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because that's when the tax season peaks.
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And then it kind of slowed down
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after that.
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activity are very closely related,
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because with my first activity
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as a tax accountant,
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I will prepare a tax returns
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for individuals.
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is just a deferred activity.
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I've got my own license,
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so I've got my separate
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set of clients and I separate
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separate set of accounting software,
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but they are closely related.
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I think what you do is great
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because it can show
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some of the real diversity of what
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somebody in accounting can do.
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There's just a wide range
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of possibilities.
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Of what you can do
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with an accounting background.
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I'm interested in your own
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business as a tax agent,
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because I think many accountants
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might aspire to that.
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Can you tell us what are the
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advantages of doing that
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and how do you get started?
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So even though I'm an accountant,
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I'm already kind of in a niche
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because I do mostly tax accounting work,
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whereas most students
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who do an internship
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or are about to graduate, they would
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maybe move into bookkeeping first
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or as an assistant accountant,
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where they would focus on
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doing accounting tasks
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like bookkeeping invoices,
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maybe preparing the business
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activity statement
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at the end of the month,
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whereas I intervene
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pretty much at the end of the year
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and throughout the year
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for like preparing activity statements,
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tax returns and financial statements.
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It is quite interesting,
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even though it's
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not really my background.
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So my background actually is auditing,
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which is very closely
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related to accounting.
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And that's how I started.
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the most, actually,
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by being an auditor by Crome.
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It taught me many things.
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like a very specific
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methodology to follow.
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to become a better tax agent also.
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being an accountant
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as pretty much different layers.
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as a financial accountant,
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you can work in an accounting practice
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like I do, where you have
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hundreds of clients that you're doing
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accounting and tax affairs.
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for a big blue chip company,
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you can work as a management accountant
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where you would put their
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budgets and focus under
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the manager accounting
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side of the business.
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is obviously it's
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numbers related, but it's
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it has a lot of opportunities.
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I'm interested that you're
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also an entrepreneur,
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so you've started your own business,
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as Karen was mentioning,
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but you've diversified yourself
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into three different markets
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to accommodate
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the different business cycles
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during the years,
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the teaching, you know,
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the corporate work and then individuals.
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of your portfolio, of your product range
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do you actually enjoy doing the most?
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I think I enjoy my accounting work.
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accounting practice for seven years now,
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and it was actually my first job
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when I arrived in Australia
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even before
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going back to studying at Kaplan.
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So I've been with them
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for from the start.
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They gave me my chance
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when I just arrived.
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I was looking for some unpaid work
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and they took me on board.
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I basically showed them
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what I was capable of.
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I implemented some processes
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to basically gain some time and
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and they really enjoyed it.
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And then they offered me a job.
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that I enjoyed the most,
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because I'm kind of a lawyer person.
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I like to repay them.
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So I'm very, very grateful
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that they gave me this opportunity
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when I first arrived.
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when I first arrived,
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I came on a working visa
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and as many people know,
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a working visa as some restrictions
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where you cannot really work
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for more than six months for one company.
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that a corporate job
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as a working ready day maker.
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to find this opportunity
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and the teaching job.
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On the other side brings me a lot of joy.
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Like, I really remember
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how it all started.
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So, funnily enough,
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it happened very quickly.
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I was a young graduate from Capron
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Business School.
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I was tutoring, which
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didn't exist back then.
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I was the very first
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accounting tutor at Kaplan.
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where one of the academy kids
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in accounting gave me a call
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and basically told me,
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look, Tulin, we've got this issue.
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We've got a big, big accounting
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class that we need to split into two.
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It is on a Wednesday evening.
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are you able to take the second class?
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I want to I want to jump in straightaway.
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And that's how it all started.
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So I was pretty much thrown straight
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into the teaching.
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And it was it was a lot of fun
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because it was both challenging,
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but it was very rewarding.
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where I was a bit stressed
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because I didn't know
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the students were going to react
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to approach to class.
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But I, I enjoyed it very much.
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It was very draining.
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And I remember the first few lessons
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coming back home
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and being completely exhausted
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because I was very
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energetic in the class,
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because I wanted to do well.
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I wanted to get the
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attention from my students.
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because I knew that I couldn't
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keep the same level
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of energy all the time
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because it was very exhausting.
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So.
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It's my teaching journey as
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being kind of a rollercoaster,
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like very high paced at the beginning
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because I also got very good
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teaching scores.
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Then Kaplan gave me more subject to teach
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than I to kind of tell the new guys.
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I also have a job on the side,
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so just be mindful
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that I kind of like teach all the time.
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So I kind of had to slow them down.
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And then they gave me
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other responsibilities, like coordination
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and even rewriting subjects,
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which which was very, very new for me.
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So for me, it was all about like adapting
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and being very flexible
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and just taking challenges as they come.
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One of the themes in the podcast
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is actually transition.
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So, Karen,
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you and I talk about this a lot
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and imagine the transition on the night
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before a class starts
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to also start teaching
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and then doing it well
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and transitioning into academia
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and starting your own business.
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Well, what I would like to comment on
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is that I actually agree with you.
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Teaching is a big responsibility,
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and I'm exhausted when I finish as well.
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And it's that loyalty that I think
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you mentioned, Julie,
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in that I respect your loyalty
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to the company that you work
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for, your loyalty, your clients.
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And that loyalty
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then came over into your teaching
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because students
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enjoy what you're teaching.
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You actually got Goodsell scores
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as well as you became exhausted.
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So that shows your level of
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of conscientiousness.
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So what a good story hearing.
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Yeah, I will say
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it's very rewarding
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when we get those
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students survey results. Right.
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And we can actually see what the
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what the work we do
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and and how students respond to it.
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But I remember the feeling
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as well as you prepare
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quite a bit for a lesson
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and afterwards your ear sort of
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of it's time to take a rest.
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I'm interested, Julie, and
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you talked about these different things
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that, you know, management,
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accounting, commercial accounting
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and now even education,
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these different paths
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and accounting student
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might then take or graduate.
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How should somebody know
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what they want to do
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and how can they figure it out?
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Look, I think it's not easy to
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let's say you're a young
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undergraduate student,
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you just finished
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your studies with Kathyrn
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or even a postgraduate students.
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It's not easy to know
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what exactly you want to do.
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I think what's important
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for students is to stay
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out of an open mind
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about what you want to do.
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Do not be too harsh on yourself.
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Do not close any doors.
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So, for instance,
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I want all of these stories
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from young graduates
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and even some of my friends from
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from when I was a
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student who started as bookkeepers.
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You started as the accounts
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payable, accounts receivable.
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So you don't start as an accountant
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straight away,
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but you start at maybe
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a lower level, bookkeeping
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accounts payable, and then down the track
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you become an accountant.
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So I think what's
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really important for students
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is to be open to the opportunities
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to start somewhere.
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I think it's very important
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to start somewhere.
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No matter what the job is,
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because then you can also build
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the connection.
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You can build the network
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with the company you work with.
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And then if you do a good job,
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they will refer you.
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They will connect you to other people.
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I think what's also
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important in accounting
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is to get connected with the main
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accounting bodies.
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So, for instance,
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on the I'm a CPA,
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and I think it's important as a
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as a student, as
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a young graduate, to look beyond
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your bachelor of accounting
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or your master's of accounting.
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Because what I tell
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my students is that
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once you finish your studies,
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it's just a start.
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There is always something
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afterwards.
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And that's why I
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also encourage them to pursue
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additional studies.
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So, for instance,
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if you want to become
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an accountant in Australia,
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you most likely need your CPA.
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So that's why I encourage them to
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to do these additional studies,
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because most most employers, they they
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they are going to look for people
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who are not only with a degree,
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but also with an
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additional accounting qualification.
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So I think it's important to
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go to networking events
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even if it's online.
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Go to. Different functions.
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Go to seminars where you're going to meet
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professionals, where you're going
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to basically tell them
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what your journey as being,
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what you want to do,
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how you can help their organization.
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So I think all of these
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are very important,
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but most importantly is start somewhere.
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I think it's very important
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to start somewhere.
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For instance, personally.
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As I said before, I've got a
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an auditing background,
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so when I started with my
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current company, they didn't do audits.
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They only did accounting.
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And even though I had
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some accounting experience
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from internships back home, I
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it wasn't my my job anymore.
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But I didn't turn them down.
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I was like, look, I can do it.
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It's not necessary.
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The thing I enjoyed the most.
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But I know I can do it.
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I can show you what I can do.
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And then from there on,
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the opportunities are endless.
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So I think, again, what's important
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for young graduates is that
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do not close any doors.
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Just start somewhere and build it slowly.
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It is really important,
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that's good advice.
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Don't be afraid to give
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it a start and just try.
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But if I'm a graduate,
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you've mentioned
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a number of different
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career paths, I guess, in accounting
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from bookkeeping
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to management accounting to
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the CPA auditing.
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If you were to advise a young person,
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you didn't really know
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what career in accounting
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they wanted to do.
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What would be some of the attractions for
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the different career paths?
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So I speak from personal experience.
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So I started as an auditor,
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and I still strongly believe that for me,
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this is still the best start
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in your accounting journey,
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because you get to audit
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many different clients
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in many different industries,
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and you are very, very well trained.
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OK, because the the way auditors work,
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they follow a very specific methodology.
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And so you are it's like doing
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an additional qualification
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while you're working.
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So they train you very well.
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And the things you learn as an auditor,
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they pretty much serves you.
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But otherwise,
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if someone doesn't
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really know where to start,
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I would just tell them, start
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with any accounting jobs
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and see if you like it.
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See if you enjoyed it.
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But I think what's important
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is, again, really to start somewhere,
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because you don't want to
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you don't want to be in the position
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where, let's say
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you want to work in tax only
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and you don't you
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don't want to be in a position
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where you are going to
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have to close doors
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because you might not be able
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to start in tax straight away
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from school.
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You might have to go through
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a bookkeeping internship
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or a bookkeeping position.
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You might have to go through a
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an assistant accountant position
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before eventually having to tax.
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So it's
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and it's important to know what you want.
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But I think it's
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also important to be
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nimble and to be agile
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enough to take your Premiere
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opportunities that comes.
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And then from there on, you can move.
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But yeah, from some personal experience,
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I've always taken the chances
566
00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:09,200
that were given to me.
567
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,200
I've never been too picky because.
568
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,720
Yeah, I think you have to understand
569
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,080
that when you are a young graduate,
570
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:19,840
you are also competing with many,
571
00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,240
many other graduates
572
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,640
and you're on the same level
573
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:24,920
pretty much OK.
574
00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,520
You've all got the same
575
00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,000
accounting degree.
576
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,560
So you you're not really in a
577
00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:33,200
strong position to negotiate
578
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,320
what kind of work you want to do.
579
00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,240
So my biggest advice would be.
580
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,440
Take the opportunities that
581
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,760
come with, okay, start somewhere
582
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,080
and then build the experience, build
583
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,520
the connections,
584
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,240
build a network,
585
00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,240
obviously for young graduates.
586
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,360
I think the main goal is also to
587
00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:56,680
if they want to stay in Australia,
588
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,480
is to get permanent residency.
589
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,320
So you also have to look at ways
590
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,280
to gain permanent residency, because
591
00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:06,400
until you are a temporary residence.
592
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,040
Well, you're not really
593
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,400
in a strong position
594
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,680
to negotiate what you want.
595
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,560
So, yeah, you have to kind of take
596
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,200
what's available
597
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,520
and just gain the experience, get
598
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,120
get comfortable, learn, ask questions,
599
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,800
be hungry, be motivated,
600
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,840
have the right attitude.
601
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,040
And if you do well,
602
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:28,800
the opportunities
603
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,840
will present themselves. OK.
604
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,800
If I look at how much I've achieved
605
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,560
since I arrived,
606
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,200
I would have never imagined,
607
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:38,320
like doing all of this.
608
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,680
Like it's what is great with Australia
609
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,040
is that there are so many
610
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,800
opportunities out there.
611
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,520
You just have to take them
612
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,720
when they present themselves.
613
00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:48,920
And yet also you also
614
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,720
need to be patient, OK?
615
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:51,800
And I think that's something
616
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,040
that is kind of difficult
617
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,400
for young people,
618
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,400
because with the advent of social media,
619
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,480
people tend to not be patient anymore.
620
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:02,880
And I think that's a virtue
621
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,960
that maybe young people need to learn.
622
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,320
OK, you need to be patient with things.
623
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:09,800
You cannot
624
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,520
you cannot expect to be promoted
625
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:12,800
every six months.
626
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,320
OK, you have to understand
627
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,920
that what you want
628
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,320
is also different
629
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,400
from what the company wants.
630
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:20,800
So, yeah,
631
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,720
I think it's important to be
632
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,320
to be patient and to stay hungry and to
633
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,640
to be humble also.
634
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,040
Well, if we you know,
635
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:30,680
you've mentioned
636
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,760
some of the steps
637
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,160
that you can take to get,
638
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,920
you know, where you want in your career,
639
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,040
every career as steps
640
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,760
that you must pass through.
641
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,040
And I first worked with you
642
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,400
when I was a careers adviser.
643
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,560
We through that CPA event together.
644
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,160
So, you know, I've mostly known you
645
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,200
through the relationship with CPA.
646
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,800
We through an event
647
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,560
with an international student
648
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:55,960
recruitment manager,
649
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,720
and that was one of the largest attended
650
00:21:58,720 --> 00:21:59,680
careers events
651
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,200
I had experienced to that point.
652
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,120
So there's a lot of interest in CPA.
653
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,120
I'd love it if you could just tell us
654
00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,200
a little bit about,
655
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,680
you know, what is the importance
656
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,360
of doing another qualification
657
00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:13,720
like that or what
658
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,080
what exactly does that
659
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,320
certification entail?
660
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,320
For those who want
661
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,800
to stay in Australia
662
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,400
and become an accountant,
663
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,480
you cannot just rely
664
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,400
on your accounting degree,
665
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,880
because if you look at
666
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,720
most job advertisements,
667
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:33,040
employers will ask for you to be
668
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,040
a or CPA qualified
669
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,560
or at least have started
670
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:37,960
your qualification.
671
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,360
So it's like a must have done the trick.
672
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,080
So personally, I did my CPA,
673
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,240
what I was still studying at Kaplan
674
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,360
and made my journey with CPA
675
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,040
was I three captain.
676
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,520
I became a CPA embassador.
677
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:54,160
And again,
678
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,640
that was something new with capron
679
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,800
we we never had CPA ambassadors.
680
00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,680
This was a great experience
681
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,600
because I got to meet people
682
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:02,960
at the CPA office.
683
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,200
I got to meet other accountants.
684
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,920
I got to share my journey as a student.
685
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,080
I got to share my experience,
686
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,960
what I wanted to do, what they were,
687
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,160
how they were able to help me.
688
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,680
And the good things about CPA
689
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,160
is that they always organize events
690
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,600
for four people. And
691
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:24,960
I think it's something important
692
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,240
for young for young
693
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,360
students is that, again,
694
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,560
if you look at students,
695
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,400
they're all going to graduate
696
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,000
with the same degree.
697
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,760
So you need to find small things.
698
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,400
They are going to be
699
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,840
differentiating you from others.
700
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,680
And so getting involved with a CPA,
701
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,080
going to events,
702
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,240
maybe starting your CPA journey
703
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,600
before you even graduate,
704
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,920
because that is actually possible,
705
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,560
going to networking events,
706
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,600
getting a mentor.
707
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,080
That's a good thing to do, actually
708
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,440
getting a CPA mentor.
709
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,920
That can be the difference
710
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,320
between a very good student
711
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,960
who just focuses on his studies
712
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,240
and doesn't really want to get involved
713
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,680
with anything else, is not really social,
714
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,560
doesn't want to go to networking events.
715
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,200
And let's say a student,
716
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,840
you may not get the best marks
717
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,240
in the assignments and in in class,
718
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,600
but on the other hand, is very social,
719
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,880
is very motivated.
720
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,840
You wants to meet people.
721
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,240
He wants to go to networking events and
722
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:32,960
down the track.
723
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,000
If I was an employer,
724
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,560
I wouldn't really look at demarks.
725
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,760
I would look at
726
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,120
is the one who's more motivated,
727
00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:41,680
is the one who's
728
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,200
actually not just focusing on studying,
729
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,040
but also is focusing on building
730
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,240
a network, meeting people.
731
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,080
And he's got a story to tell.
732
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,440
I think that's really important.
733
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:56,720
How does a student get started in
734
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,920
in an association like a CPA?
735
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,120
What's the application steps?
736
00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:03,880
So any student can become
737
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,120
a an associate member of CPA Australia.
738
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,840
You just have to fill in a form
739
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,880
and you are in the
740
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,520
as an associate member.
741
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,960
And then what they do
742
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,280
is they organize events.
743
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,280
OK, you can go to different events
744
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,800
if you are interested in cryptocurrency
745
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,560
or if you are interested in
746
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,480
digital finance.
747
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,680
They organize events throughout the year.
748
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,440
You can also find a mentor
749
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,400
who's already a KPM member and build
750
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,720
this relationship,
751
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,360
build this connection with this
752
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,640
with this person.
753
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,560
Of course, the idea is not necessarily
754
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,560
to ask the job straight away,
755
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,640
but what you can do
756
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,840
is just share your journey
757
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,760
as a as a student.
758
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:46,640
Ask questions.
759
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,720
I think that's very important
760
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,360
to be curious, to be
761
00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:51,200
asking questions all the time.
762
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,320
I think it's also important
763
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,520
to listen first.
764
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,240
OK, rather than talk all the time.
765
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,520
But yeah, I would say like
766
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,000
go to the events, OK?
767
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,240
Go to the go to the functions
768
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,680
and try to meet as
769
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,560
many people as possible,
770
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,800
because at the end of the day,
771
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,520
it's also about your connections.
772
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,320
It's all about.
773
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,360
It's also about your network,
774
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:15,840
because people talk.
775
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,640
And if you stay by yourself,
776
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,280
if you stay in the corner.
777
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,360
Well, it's going to be a lot harder.
778
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:23,600
So I think it's it's
779
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,680
important to be at work.
780
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,040
And you just
781
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,080
you meet as many people as possible.
782
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,280
I think that's so cool
783
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,040
that you were one of the first
784
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,160
student ambassadors,
785
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,040
because I've known several.
786
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,640
And honestly, it does
787
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,600
that program does change people's lives.
788
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,720
You see them go on
789
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,560
to do some really great things.
790
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,200
KPA still takes several ambassadors
791
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,440
each trimester from
792
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,560
from each of our campuses.
793
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,760
I'm interested also, Juliane, to know
794
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,640
your perspective
795
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,680
on trends in the accounting industry.
796
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,080
So at KB's, we started holding
797
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,880
these zero workshops.
798
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,880
We actually offer our graduates free
799
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,040
certifications in zero because we saw
800
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,800
it was becoming so popular.
801
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,240
Employers were asking for it.
802
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,280
It became almost a sort of required
803
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,560
skill for employability.
804
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,560
So if we're talking essential skills
805
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,240
or employability,
806
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,040
what do you think is next?
807
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,840
Yeah, so definitely
808
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,600
getting your Xero certification
809
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,360
is a good step forward.
810
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,440
Then I think, again,
811
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,880
doing your Seet or CPA qualification down
812
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,800
the track is kind of the norm
813
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,480
if you want to become an accountant.
814
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,520
And then there's additional trainings,
815
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,040
like, for instance, at the moment
816
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,040
I'm doing a micro credentials
817
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,760
with CPA on digital finance,
818
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,120
and that's going to take me
819
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:46,800
like nearly 120 hours to complete.
820
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,200
So I think what's important to understand
821
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,880
is that once you graduate,
822
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:54,320
your journey is not finished.
823
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,000
Your learning journey is not finished.
824
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,160
You always need to learn. You always need
825
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,360
a date yourself.
826
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:02,840
You always need a skill yourself because.
827
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,800
The world changes
828
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,640
all the time, technology
829
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,960
brings new solutions to the table,
830
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,040
they bring also new
831
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:11,760
challenges to companies.
832
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,320
Even for accounting.
833
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,440
So like the advent of zero
834
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,360
as been has been massive in Australia.
835
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,440
Like I remember when I first started,
836
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,760
Buro didn't exist.
837
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,280
And if you look at five,
838
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,240
six years down the track,
839
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,720
I am personally advising
840
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,360
all of my clients to move to zero
841
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:32,120
because they've managed to move
842
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:33,480
into the cloud
843
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,520
better than all of their competitors.
844
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,120
And it is so user friendly.
845
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,920
And so I think it's important
846
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,640
for students to obviously understand
847
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,360
the new things coming up.
848
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:51,400
OK, to stay updated, to keep upskilling
849
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,280
through different software certification,
850
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,440
through getting your own license
851
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,640
as maybe your agent or a tax agent,
852
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,400
getting your accounting qualification.
853
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,000
And then it depends.
854
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,560
It depends if you want to specialize.
855
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,840
So, for instance, I work in tax.
856
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,360
I could potentially
857
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,520
become a chartered tax advisor,
858
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,480
which is something
859
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,560
very specific due to taxation, or
860
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,200
I could do like a master's
861
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,320
in taxation law,
862
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,000
which would be, again,
863
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,760
very, very specific.
864
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,720
So it just depends.
865
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,400
I know there's like different
866
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,760
qualifications in management
867
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,280
accounting, for instance,
868
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,200
I think it's called the seamer.
869
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,640
I mean, the opportunities are endless.
870
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,880
But I think what's really important
871
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,040
is to understand
872
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,760
when you finish your degree,
873
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,880
it is not the end.
874
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,840
It's just a start. OK.
875
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,640
And I think what is what is important
876
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,880
is to keep motivated to learn,
877
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,160
because you cannot stop learning.
878
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,560
You cannot think that
879
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,760
with your accounting degree, only you.
880
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:00,600
It will be enough.
881
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,400
Because people will kill people,
882
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,520
we learn new things.
883
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,040
Technology will bring
884
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,840
new products, new solutions, new issues.
885
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,280
So you need to continuously
886
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,760
obscure yourself.
887
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,680
And as a CPA, I have
888
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,920
continual professional
889
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,480
development to to meet.
890
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,560
I've got like 120 hours to do it
891
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,200
every three years.
892
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,480
So there's an expectation
893
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,920
also as you become
894
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,160
a qualified accountant
895
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,640
that you will need to keep learning.
896
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,440
You've mentioned that you're doing
897
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,480
a micro credential right now.
898
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,840
What was that micro credential?
899
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,360
In what subjects?
900
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,800
So it's it's called digital finance.
901
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:39,840
And then it's broken
902
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,440
down into six subjects.
903
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,360
So I just finished
904
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,240
one that is called the future of Money.
905
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,640
In this subject,
906
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,800
we talk about cryptocurrency
907
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,800
as we talk about digital, digital
908
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,760
ledger, technology, block chain.
909
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:56,720
We took it
910
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,000
talk about financing,
911
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,360
that tentative financing.
912
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,080
So it's quite broad.
913
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,520
And it is interesting,
914
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,360
even though it's not really
915
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,520
related to what I do on a daily basis.
916
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,200
But I think it's interesting
917
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,320
because block chain
918
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,680
technology is is the future.
919
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,840
And I think down the track,
920
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,400
the accountants will need to get used
921
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,280
with this technology and and the rest.
922
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,360
That does sound fascinating.
923
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,600
And a number of discussions
924
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,440
that I hear from students
925
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,680
in, for example, business
926
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,000
analytics about block chain
927
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,560
that has wide applicability.
928
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,120
And it's it's good news.
929
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,440
I think that you're staying on top
930
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,800
of emerging trends
931
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,040
that may just be related
932
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,880
tangentially to accounting.
933
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,840
That's very good.
934
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,200
Yeah, it is.
935
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,680
It is not easy to be honest,
936
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,000
because it's not really accounting.
937
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,440
If he brings its own sets of challenges
938
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,120
when you go through the material.
939
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,240
But I think that's also important.
940
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,320
You get a get out of
941
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,760
your comfort comfort zone
942
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:56,280
because that's how you're
943
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,520
going to grow anyway.
944
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,560
Obviously, I deal with techs,
945
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,080
so I'm very comfortable
946
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,280
talking about tax teaching tax.
947
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,360
But if I want to
948
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,520
grow and if I want to
949
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,160
down the track, offer
950
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,920
different services to different clients
951
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,960
and also learn new things.
952
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,560
So I think that's important.
953
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,600
I do see you as somebody who's,
954
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,320
you know, working
955
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,120
hard and achieving a lot in your field.
956
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,760
If you talk now about learning,
957
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,520
what would you say is your goal over
958
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,000
the next few years?
959
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,960
Where where can we find you, Gillian?
960
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,480
That's a really good question.
961
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,480
Ideally, down the track,
962
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,360
we'd like to have
963
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,360
my own accounting practice,
964
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,680
even though I had
965
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,120
already started having my tax
966
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,040
agent business, which is slowly growing.
967
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,720
But I think down the track, I want to
968
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,080
I want to be my own boss.
969
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:52,680
And I want to
970
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,280
yeah, I want to
971
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,920
I want to start my accounting practice
972
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,720
and I want to give the chance to students
973
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,800
to get some experience also,
974
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,480
because I think it's it's
975
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,480
I think it's important
976
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,200
when you get something
977
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,760
to also give it back.
978
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,560
So I want to I want to share
979
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,200
what I've learned
980
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,760
with as many students as possible.
981
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,120
So that's why I want to keep teaching.
982
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,480
But yeah, if I can
983
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,200
add my accounting practice and keep
984
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,040
teaching on the side,
985
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,680
that would be that would be great.
986
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:26,560
I'm nearly there.
987
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:27,760
I still have work to do.
988
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,200
But, yeah, getting
989
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,320
getting there eventually.
990
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,800
So thank you so much,
991
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,720
Gillian, for joining us on the Camplin
992
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,040
Community podcast.
993
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:36,880
It's been wonderful
994
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,080
to talk with you and learn
995
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,960
more about what you're doing.
996
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,840
And I think that
997
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,000
this is going to be really great
998
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,720
for all of our accountants
999
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,920
and interested professionals out there.
1000
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,000
So Accommodation's, it's
1001
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,840
been a very interesting podcast
1002
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:49,800
and a very valuable one,
1003
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,520
I think, for our students. Thank you.
1004
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,360
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